Aug. 3, 2025

The Stump Stood Up — And Charged the Boat! | Oregon

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Season 1

What happens when a spiritually sensitive musician follows the whispers of his ancestors into the forests of Coos County — and ends up face-to-face with something pacing on a rock, staring down a fishing boat?

In this riveting and emotional episode of Bigfoot Society, Jeremiah Byron sits down with Chris — a gifted storyteller from the Oregon coast — who shares decades of mind-bending encounters with what he calls the “Hairy Folk.” From an ocean-bound Sasquatch pacing in front of a breaching whale to haunting dreams, glowing red eyes, stick signs, and psychic messages, this episode explores a side of Bigfoot rarely talked about… but deeply felt.

You’ll hear firsthand stories from Russian River, Stanislaus River, Willow Creek, Coquille, and more — including unexplained tree breaks, vocalizations that sound like human calls, and gifts left in the forest that predicted future relationships. More than just a chronicle of encounters, this is a look into how Bigfoot connects across spirit, land, and bloodline — and how one man’s family legacy may have called him back into the mystery.

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Pulse Pace music video referenced: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1J6EI7Om1-0

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You're listening to Big for Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron.

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In today's episode, you'll hear from Chris, a listener from

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the west coast of Oregon, about his spiritual journey the

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Sasquatch over the years. Stay with us, all right, Big

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for Society, You've got the privilege of talking to Chris today.

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Chris is an individual that reached out after hearing an

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episode about some things that were happening around Kus Bay.

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I was very glad to get connected with Chris. He's

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having a lot of really interesting things happen around Coos

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Bay area on the coast of Oregon. But welcome to

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the show, Chris.

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How are you doing, sir, I'm doing great, Deremiah, thanks

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for having me.

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Chris. I want to make sure that you have the

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time to share. We were talking a little bit before

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the show started recording, and there's a lot to go

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over in this one, so I want to make sure

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you have the time to share what you've experienced and

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what you're experiencing now, so you'll feel free to take

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us back as far as you need to.

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As a kid in the seventies had all the normal

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interest in things like that with you know, in Search

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of and that that's incredible show from you know, Bionic

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Man when he fought against Andrea and Giant dressed up

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a Sasquatch and even Star Wars and Chewbaca and everything

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like that, normal seventies kids stuff. A few years later,

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my grandparents moved from the Bay Area to Willow Creek,

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and my grandfather was a principal of Hoopa Schools up

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there and then retired superintendent of the Hoop of Schools.

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So I would go visit and visit the gift store

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of the souvenir store, and I really kind of got

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more into at that point. Then you know, life happened.

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You kind of lose interest in things, and I started

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playing music, and interest kind of went all over the place,

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and I just sort of forgot about that part until oh,

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it must have been I was in my twenties and

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I started getting more into fishing, and I was at

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that time I was from the Bay Area in California,

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and I would fish the Russian River and a friend

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and I were fishing this area that we normally went to.

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We had the hike out of the parking area, so

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it was just trails on that side of the river.

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The other side of the river was just a hill

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that went up in forest. This is all redwoods, you know.

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And you know, I hadn't had the experiences at that

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point with sasquatch or anything I and it really was

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out of my mind. So when this event happened, that's

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not the first thing I thought of. But now thinking back,

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I'm pretty sure that was. I've had a couple of

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things like this, and I'll explain them. So we were fishing.

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My friend was downstreamed from me, within shouting distance, but

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you know, you give each other space while you're steel

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at fishing. And suddenly the other side of the river

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was just like brush, thick brush. You couldn't see the

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shore on the other side. And then I just went

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to you know, redwood forest, which is somewhat open forest

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compared to like the forest here in the Oregon Ghosts.

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There's space pretty far apart the trees. But suddenly something

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started breaking trees and thrashing, so loud got our attention

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real quick. That's something that we normally don't hear in

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that area. You know, there's black bear there, and and pigs,

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wild pigs and mountain lion, but and sometimes the pigs

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will make noise, but not like this. This is trees snapping.

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My friend and I looked each other with you know,

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eyes wide open, slackjaw, like what is that? And it

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was right across from me. It was right across from me.

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My buddy goes, oh, maybe it's pigs, and I'm like,

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I don't know, I've never heard a pig snapping. Giant trees.

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They just kept going. It was just not stopping, and

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you could kind of see some slight movement over in

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the brush, but not you couldn't really get a good

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look of it because it was just thick brush. So

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it just kept going and we were trying to fish

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through it, and finally it kind of freaked us out

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enough to where maybe we should move Tom's tree a

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little bit, and and we moved. But this was just

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like trees snapping, Like I have nothing I've ever heard

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at that point, you know, And at the time, sasquatch

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was not on my mind at all. I just thought

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it was something very weird. Looking back, I have a

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feeling that's what it. So that was that event, and

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that was probably in the late nineties something like that.

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Then in about a decade later or So I was

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vacationing up. I was on sort of by the Sonora

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Pass in the Sierra's highway went away above the town

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of Strawberry, camping at this camp site up there. It

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was it's a like a state run, I think campside

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or county or something like that. And there was just

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a couple there was like a camp host, you a

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couple of people close to the camp host, and we

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had this whole back section of the campground to ourselves.

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And it was on the Stanislaus River, almost similar to

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the story before where the other side I was. I

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was basically camped at this crook of the river to

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bend in the river, and I was trout fishing, doing

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really good, catching a bunch of trout across the river.

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Was just it went up this mountain up into the Sierra,

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straight up, you know, way up into the into the mountains.

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There was nothing there. Uh, this one didn't have a

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bunch of brush on the edge of source. She could

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see in her a forest, you know. Had a great

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day fishing. So that night I was sitting at the

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campfire and like I said, this whole section of the

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campground there was no one there except for us. Well,

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I'm sitting there by myself, you know, holding the fire.

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Then all of a sudden, I can hear what sounded

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like coming from way up the mountain, something coming down

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the mountain, and it was coming right towards me. It

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was up ways away. It was you could tell it

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was pretty far, but it sounded huge, and it was

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breaking trees as it came, and the limbs and snapping

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and craping and then going through a brush, and it

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was it was coming right towards me. Like I said,

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at this time, you know, Sasquatch wasn't really in my paradigm.

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It was just I'd sort of forgot about my interest

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of it, and I had experienced other things at this time,

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like UFOs and things like that, but I wasn't really

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thinking about sasquatch. But it kept coming down and it

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got closer and closer and closer, and I can just

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hear it coming and it sounded like, I don't know,

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like an ellison coming through the trees or something. It was.

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It sounded bigger than elk. I've heard elk going through

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trees and things like that. This was actually breaking stuff

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as it came, and it sounded by beetle came down

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right towards me. It stopped. Maybe I don't know how

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far i've I just would be a complete guess. I

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guess of it. Maybe a few hundred sheet four hundred

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she away from me, five hundred. It just all of

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a sudden stopped and the forest literally, like you said,

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you always hear how the forest goes quiet, The forest

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went quiet. Alls I could hear was the creek. Well,

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it's the upper standards lost, so it's the size of

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the of a creek. I was like, can hear it

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was the water, and it just seemed to go dead,

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like overly silent, creepy. It was creepy. So I just

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it got quiet, and I but I sleeped out. But

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I was looked like, just kind of brushing aside up

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ay whatever. Maybe it was a bunch of elk or something.

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I don't know. I don't even know if there's elk

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up in that area, to be hoest with you. But

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the deer, a bunch of deer or a huge bear

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or something, I don't know. I just kind of brushed aside,

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kept hel holding fire, and about twenty minutes later I

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had forgotten about it. By this point, I'm just sort

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of okay whatever. Twenty minutes later, a huge snap, and

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it was right across this creek, within like fifty feet.

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It was right across, and it was directly across from

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me at this point, so I it kind of startled me,

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and I got my Maglie and I shone right across.

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And if it was a bear or a deer, I

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would be able to see it. I'd go with bear

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and deer. And it's not like they hide behind trees.

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When you shine a right out of them, you can

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you can usually catch them in your light. There's nothing.

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I'm shining it, and alls I could see is these

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huge trees. I don't know if they're dug fur cequoia

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up there. They're not red woods, I don't think. But

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all I can see is this, you know, big spaces

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between these trees, and there's really nowhere for anything to hide.

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So I'm like, that's weird. You know, I've never heard

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of a bear hiding behind a tree, and this is okay,

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that's strange. So I kind of and nothing. It just stops,

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So I put my mag light down, continue on holding fire.

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Another five minutes or so, go by again. A huge snap,

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you know, and at the time, Like I said, sasquatch

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was not on my mind. Now I know that's sort

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of their behavior. They'll do that. So this time I

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got my Maglie. That's pretty quick. There's nothing, same thing.

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I'm going around, I'm scanning across, no eyes shine, no nothing,

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and I'm okay, little this is really weird. This continued

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on for maybe four or five times, and it would

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it was almost like it would wait for me to

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let my guard down and do it again. And I

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got to the point where I was leaving my mag

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light in my hand with my finger on the button.

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I'm like, I'm gonna catch this, whatever this is. And

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the last time it was the same thing. It a

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huge crack. I got my maglight on in just like

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a split second and there was nothing. There was nothing,

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so that one really they crept me out, and it

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was almost like something was telling me to go to bed.

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I didn't hear words I said go to bed, but

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just I don't know if it was my get or

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if something was telling me in my mind go to bed.

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And I just went, Okay, I'm going to bed, and

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I was I was a little bit freaked out. I

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didn't know what was going on. But it was very

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very strange, and I, to be honest with you, I

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went to bed with my hatchet in my you know,

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for chopping wood, and I just laid there. But I

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instantly fell asleep, which was pretty strange. So the next

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morning I wake up tell my ex wife about it.

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She goes, oh, I don't know, you know, she isn't

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take anything of it. I go to the camp post

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and I say, hey, you know, do you do you

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guys get a lot of bear here and he goes, well,

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to be honest with you know, every once in a

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while we get them. But then what happens is the

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fishing game traps them and sends them over kidding you

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sebity side of the mountain. So he goes, He goes,

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I've been camp host for you know, several years, and

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I've seen like one bear and I go huh, and

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he asked why. I told him what happened, and he

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just started and gave me this look where he raised

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his eyebrows and his eyes got big. He didn't say anything,

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he just gave me this look. At the time, I

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didn't understand it. I just went okay, and I said, okay,

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we'll have a nice day. Looking back, I think he

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knew that there was something and weird going on in

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that area. And I've looked, you know, on the different

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websites and there are quite a few experiences up in

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that area. So that happened. You know. There was another

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event on that saying tripp on Bishop Creek Canyon where

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my ex wife thought something was coming down the side

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of the mountain during the day while I was fishing.

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She couldn't explain it. So it's kind of weird, you know.

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It's almost like something was following us one hundreds somebody

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else away from each other. So I didn't think anything

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of it. I wasn't thinking sasquatch at the time. I

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just knew something was very weird. Looking back, I had

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a cheeling, that's what it was. So, you know, went

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on with my life and no other experiences like that.

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I you know, like I said, I've had a lot

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of UFO sidings in my life, but nothing like that.

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You know. When I was growing up, my mom had nightcarers.

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She would there was a shadow person or being in

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the room. Everyone thought that was just you know, just dreams.

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But I saw it one night, and I saw it

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a few times after that, so we had these experiences

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in the family. So that was all down the day area.

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Right before we left the Bay area, we went to

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the spot on the ocean up there in snow mc County,

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big huge redwood groves right up off of the cliffs,

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and we went in there and it was just had

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this feeling. At this time, I started kind of watching

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some of the Sasquad shows on television. Some of them

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are a little goofy, some of them were better than others.

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so I was starting to kind of get an interest

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in it again. So I went to this area. We

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just felt like this area was super quiet and had

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a weird feeling. My wife I've been married to for

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almost ten years, she you could say, she has some abilities,

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and she felt something in that in that area and

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I did too, actually, so we left plums and some

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peanut butter just to see if anything would happen. That

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was right before we moved up here to the Ques

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Bay area. We actually left that and didn't go back

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because we end up moving so fast during the fire

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or anything, so we come up here. Nothing happened at

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that spot at that time. We move up here, and

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I'm kind of getting more and more interested in it,

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and it was probably My wife had a near death

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experience here. She almost passed away. She says she has

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health problems. And at that time I was sort of exploring, uh,

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you know my indigenous bloodline. You know, my grandfather's from

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Turtle Mountain Reservation in North Dakota. My cousin uncle was

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like us, we're Algibwa and Dakota, but my cousin is

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also half Lakota. I'm standing rock and I saw this

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kind of he got me into praying in that old way,

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and he's a blessed pipe and drum maker and he's

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got some pretty strong psychic abilities too, and it comes

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from our grandmother's side. But you know, he got me

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into this, and I started praying in the way and

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learning language and song and playing drum and all this. Well,

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I started having these dreams when I moved up here,

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and it was basically a Sasquatch person. But it woke

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me up out of a dead sleep and I was

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almost I was basically in tears. This being would seem

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like an old shaman if you will. He was rust colored,

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kind of orange auburn colored, I guess big. He was

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sitting next to me in the screen and he told

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me his name and to this gay, this is the

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most profound but simple thing, and I've kind of it's

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kind of been confirmed that it's real. He's and I'm

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gonna I'm gonna put it out there his name, and

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I think they kind of want me to say this.

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He said, my name is Ayes. I am I, I

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am us And I snapped out of it, out of

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the dream to that, and I was like blown away.

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I was in tears. It was like so simple but

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yet so profound, like I am I, I am us.

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And I don't know if that's literally the name or

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just more of a metaphor, but it was mind blowing

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to me, and it was so real. It was it

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wasn't like a normal dream. It was like I was there.

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So that happened right around my life's near death experience

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time where other strange things were happening in the home

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while she was actively dying, where we didn't know she

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was dying. Things were there was an horb in the

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home that looked like a light bulb floating through them

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the room. There was knocking on the wall, something was

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going up to my guitar and strumming the strings. There

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was so much activity in the home while she was dying,

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and this is around that time. So she healed, everything

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became more stable, you know, there was the things in

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the home. The activity was sort of winding down a

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little bit. Around that time, my mom retired and she

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was still in California and we had her move in

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with us. Well, my aunt and uncle came visited us

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to visit my mom, and this was oh, four years

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ago or so, and we were taking them along the

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coast and showing them spots, and we went to this

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pretty I'm not going to stay the spot because I

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don't want a bunch of people there disturbing things. But

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we're up to a spot up here that's you know,

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it's pretty crowded, and there's cliffs and there's all this

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other stuff. And we were there at a spot we

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normally went to to enjoy the ocean and the cliffs

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and the rocks and everything. Well, there's something. There's this

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rock out in the ocean. It's like past the tilt beds.

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It's a big rock and there's a bunch of big rocks,

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you know, the Oregon coasts is just full of them.

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There's this big flat rock out there, and when we

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looked at it, we noticed what looked like a large

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dark stump in the middle of this rock. And I

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know that sometimes there's like trees on these deal pieces

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of old land that had been washed away and stuff

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like that. So I go, oh, maybe there's a stump there.

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But my wife and Aaron I don't remember there being

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a stumped at this spot. And we're all looking, you know,

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and this day, my aunt had just given us this

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really nice camera, and so we just happened to have

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that camera. So we start kind of like focusing on

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I have my son now and I'm filming it. I'm like,

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I swear I see this thing moving. It looks like

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this big, huge stump on this rock. We're filming it

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both on this camera and on my phone, and at

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this time we noticed there was a fishing boat. It

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was really strange. There was a whale directly out from

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the rock, very close to it that kept breaching, and

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then off to the right was this fishing boat that

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kept creeping closer towards this rock. And then I realized

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that this thing is moving more and it keeps kind

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of looking towards this boat that was creeping in towards it,

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and we focus on this boat and you could see

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like the people on the boat had binoculars and they're

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looking at this thing on the rock and there's people everywhere,

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but no one's noticing this. There's people walking by, no

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one's noticing it. And as a matter of fact, you know,

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there was one guy that walked up and he goes,

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what are you guys looking at and I and we say, well,

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there's something on this rock that looks I don't know,

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it looks like something. We think it's moving, and it's

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big and it's dark. I don't know what it is,

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you know, has it stood up or anything. And he

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looks at and he kind of shrugs his shoulders and

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he says, ah, it's a stump. He walks off. So

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it's almost like, you know, perfect example of people see

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what they want to see. But so this it gets crazy.

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So you know, my aunt and uncle are kind of

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losing interest and they're kind of going back to the car,

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and everyone's kind of getting ready to go, but my

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wife and I are still standing there watching this thing

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because and filming it. After a while, it just doesn't move.

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So my wife puts the camera back in the car.

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We're all kind of getting ready to go. I have

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my camera in my pocket. At this point, this boat

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keeps getting closer and closer to what is on the stump,

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and you can see all of a sudden, this this

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this thing starts moving more. Then I'm aware it stands

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up and I yell, it's it's moving. It stood up.

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Everyone comes running back over. At this point, all happened

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so fast. I didn't think to try to reach in

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my pocket and grab my phone again. It just happened

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so fast. But this boat was really getting close to

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this thing, and it looks like it got agitated. To me,

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it stood up, and it was huge. It was so tall,

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and it starts pacing back and forth on the rock,

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from one edge to the the next. And this is

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a big long rock. It's pacing back and forth. And

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what I what I relate that to is there's this

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looking back and I've looked and I watched the US.

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There's some pretty famous footage that was filmed on a

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VHS I think in the nineties. I'm sure you've probably

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seen it, where a group of boy scouts come up

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to what looks like could be a nesting area or

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something like this, and they're filming and the kids are playing,

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and there's a couple of adults and they pan up

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the mountain and what looks like a sasquatch at the

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top of this mountain, pacing back and forth. I don't

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know if you've seen that footage.

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Yes, that's the Marble Mountain footage.

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That's what you're talking about, y, Yes, And it's pacing

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back and forth. It looked like that. To my eyes.

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It reminded me of what that thing was doing, like

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almost like waving its arms a little bit like mad.

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It looked like that. I don't know if that footage

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is legit or not, but it looked like that. So

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it did that for a second, paste back and forth,

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and it was very tall. It didn't look super bulky,

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but it looks so tall, and it was jet black. Well,

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it jumps in the water. This is where it gets

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really weird. It jumps in the water. And this is

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out in the ocean that you know, pass the help beds.

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I don't know how deep this water is there, but

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it jumped in and it looked like it was standing

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up in the water. I don't know if it was floating,

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but it was about chest high in the in the water,

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and it goes towards this boat, and it starts pushing

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water away from it like a motor boat does when

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it takes off. Literally the tide is coming in towards it,

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and it's pushing water off of it as it goes

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towards this boat, and it starts rushing towards this boat.

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It then dips under the water towards the boat like

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it's swimming towards the boat, and the boat just takes

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off at breakdeck speed. The boat takes off south, just

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instantly goes ticks off, does this huge turn so it's

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way farther out in the in the ocean, and just

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bolts back north. It was bizarre, this thing, and it

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just disappeared at that point, and and we're standing there

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like what did we just watch? And we didn't film it.

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We're like, ah, but we got it all before that,

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and you could see there's pitchers. I have pictures of it.

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I've even like sharpened up with turned like the you

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know definition way up and you can see an outline.

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It looks like it barely has a neck, like it's

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you know, like its head goes right into its traps.

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It looks like it has big shoulders. It looks like

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it has sort of a cone shaped head. A little

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bit not not big time, but you could see it.

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You could see it almost turned towards this boat, and

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you could and then in these pictures we have a

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boat in it too. It was bizarre.

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Does the pictures of the boat have any identifying features

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like boats sometimes too?

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I don't know. It have to look. I think it

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probably probably not because of the distance it was from

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the camera, but you could see that the guys are

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on the edge of the boat looking at it in

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these pictures. That Wow, it was wild. It was completely wild.

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And just the timing of how it was just a

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little bit after I had that crazy dream and then

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that happened. And then, you know, my aunt and uncle

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didn't believe in any of this stuff until this. Now

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my aunt's like totally into it, you know, and she

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told her her grandson's about it, and they're all hyped

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about it and they all want to go check it out.

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And so that happened. Then we decided around that time

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to okay, they're in this area, this is a pretty

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well known area, but there's a lot of deep forest work,

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you know, just right off the road in that area.

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So we found a spot. We decided, well, let's try it.

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You know, I know that the gifting thing seems to

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work with some people, and it seems like maybe I

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had this stream for a reason. So we decided to

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start basically a gifting area. And we found back in

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this area the stump. It was perfect. It was back

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in behind the road and back at you know, you

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could find it if you went back there searching for it,

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but no one's just going to walk by and see

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it kind of thing. Well, we start doing that and

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at first there's not much happening except for you. We

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take picture of it so we would know exactly where

455
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everything was. We noticed things were getting moved around. Some

456
00:29:07.799 --> 00:29:09.599
of the first things I left was a piece of

457
00:29:09.680 --> 00:29:14.759
pipestone that my cousin uncle had given me. Some crystals

458
00:29:14.799 --> 00:29:17.039
and a couple of marbles and things like that. A

459
00:29:17.039 --> 00:29:26.119
little handheld like music device that you could make sounds with. Well,

460
00:29:26.240 --> 00:29:29.400
on my fiftieth birthday, I think it was actually on

461
00:29:29.440 --> 00:29:33.319
my fiftieth birthday, we went and this is the first

462
00:29:33.400 --> 00:29:38.039
day everything was gone, and they had left something in

463
00:29:38.079 --> 00:29:42.680
its place, and it was like, Okay, what's weird. That's

464
00:29:42.680 --> 00:29:45.839
on my birthday. It had been a few months when

465
00:29:45.839 --> 00:29:49.039
they hadn't really caken anything, they'd moved stuff, but so

466
00:29:49.119 --> 00:29:53.759
on my birthday they everything was gone and they had

467
00:29:53.839 --> 00:29:57.279
left some things there. And some of the things that

468
00:29:57.319 --> 00:30:03.599
they have left for us have strangely lined up with

469
00:30:05.039 --> 00:30:07.759
people that we would meet in the future. I know

470
00:30:07.839 --> 00:30:11.680
it sounds bizarre and weird, but it's true. So one

471
00:30:11.720 --> 00:30:18.039
of the things they left was a hand hand blown

472
00:30:18.119 --> 00:30:23.400
glass owl. They had a little cracked wing, but it

473
00:30:23.480 --> 00:30:26.799
was placed very carefully next to it. Another thing they

474
00:30:26.880 --> 00:30:31.640
left was this like a brooch in the shape of

475
00:30:31.680 --> 00:30:34.759
like the star. It's like cosmetic jewelry or something, but

476
00:30:35.400 --> 00:30:37.160
it was covered in dirt, like it had been packed

477
00:30:37.160 --> 00:30:42.319
in dirt. But it's like a fake pearl in the

478
00:30:42.319 --> 00:30:45.799
middle with ryan stones going out where the you know,

479
00:30:45.839 --> 00:30:48.519
the shang parts of the star are. I didn't think

480
00:30:48.559 --> 00:30:50.240
anything of it. I just thought lost, kind of cool

481
00:30:50.279 --> 00:30:55.200
and different. So we kept it, and you know, later

482
00:30:55.279 --> 00:30:58.640
on these things lined up, like one of them was

483
00:30:58.680 --> 00:31:00.759
like six months later, and not one was over a

484
00:31:00.799 --> 00:31:04.759
year later. We have them in our window sill then

485
00:31:04.839 --> 00:31:07.839
let me received quite a bit of things. We have

486
00:31:07.880 --> 00:31:10.920
a box full of other things, but these things we

487
00:31:11.039 --> 00:31:13.400
left out because we felt like they were different from

488
00:31:13.400 --> 00:31:19.400
the other things they left us. So this the owl

489
00:31:19.680 --> 00:31:24.079
lines up with someone we met later. My wife's grandmother

490
00:31:24.119 --> 00:31:29.000
had passed away and she had wanted she found someone

491
00:31:29.000 --> 00:31:32.680
online that would that made jewelry, and she wanted to

492
00:31:32.799 --> 00:31:39.640
have this peace commission to memorialize our grandmother. And the

493
00:31:39.720 --> 00:31:43.799
day she was coming to drop it off, this lady,

494
00:31:44.640 --> 00:31:47.880
I realized that this lady did also did She did

495
00:31:47.920 --> 00:31:50.079
glass blowing, and that's what this piece was. It was

496
00:31:50.119 --> 00:31:52.759
a piece of gold blown glass in the shape of

497
00:31:52.839 --> 00:31:55.279
whatever it was. And I went, wait a minute, I

498
00:31:55.279 --> 00:31:57.960
have a epiphany. Right when she's pulling up, I went,

499
00:31:59.599 --> 00:32:03.720
could you think she made the foul? And my life's like,

500
00:32:03.799 --> 00:32:06.119
no way. I'm like, we should ask just in case.

501
00:32:08.079 --> 00:32:12.119
Well she's in here and she, you know, given the

502
00:32:12.200 --> 00:32:15.400
jewish of my wife, and we said, hey, can we

503
00:32:15.440 --> 00:32:19.279
ask you something? You didn't happen to make this, did you?

504
00:32:19.359 --> 00:32:21.440
And I pick it up and she goes, yeah, did

505
00:32:21.440 --> 00:32:27.240
you get it at the shop downtown? Well, no, we've

506
00:32:27.440 --> 00:32:29.519
found it in the forest. We didn't want to tell

507
00:32:29.519 --> 00:32:33.960
her right with where we found it and how we

508
00:32:34.079 --> 00:32:41.279
got it, and she went well in the forest like yeah,

509
00:32:41.599 --> 00:32:46.440
so now we're friends with this person, come to find out,

510
00:32:46.440 --> 00:32:49.000
and she's and she knows now the story and she's

511
00:32:50.960 --> 00:32:54.359
it's lining up with her too, because she does all

512
00:32:54.400 --> 00:33:00.759
this sort of macabre art oddity is like audit and

513
00:33:00.839 --> 00:33:04.440
she goes blung last and she had to taxidermy and

514
00:33:04.480 --> 00:33:09.880
things like that. Well for a couple of years now

515
00:33:10.519 --> 00:33:15.000
at her house way out in the forest, something has

516
00:33:15.079 --> 00:33:23.279
been leaving completely cleaned, bleached animal bones lined up on

517
00:33:23.279 --> 00:33:27.880
our front porch for a couple of years now and

518
00:33:27.960 --> 00:33:31.839
she uses them for her oddity artwork that she sells

519
00:33:31.839 --> 00:33:35.640
at like fairs and gags like that. So that was

520
00:33:35.680 --> 00:33:38.319
one of the connections. And I thought that was pretty strange,

521
00:33:38.920 --> 00:33:42.960
like wow, okay, so and I've heard of these things

522
00:33:42.960 --> 00:33:45.680
before happening like this. It's a little bit more on

523
00:33:45.720 --> 00:33:49.160
the what you call the wo woo side. But to me,

524
00:33:49.519 --> 00:33:52.759
you know, a couple of things. I think that's just

525
00:33:52.799 --> 00:33:55.160
sort of on discovered science that we're not really quite

526
00:33:55.200 --> 00:33:59.440
aware of yet. It's also what indigenous people all across

527
00:33:59.440 --> 00:34:03.000
the world are I'm talking about for years and years

528
00:34:03.039 --> 00:34:05.599
and years all part of what they know. It's just

529
00:34:05.680 --> 00:34:10.360
part of nature and part of science. It's just a

530
00:34:10.360 --> 00:34:13.639
different side of it than just the physical. So I

531
00:34:13.639 --> 00:34:16.800
think these things are connected and it's some kind of

532
00:34:16.880 --> 00:34:19.800
there's something to do with consciousness, I believe with all

533
00:34:19.800 --> 00:34:23.239
these different things. But that's just my opinion and from

534
00:34:23.239 --> 00:34:28.400
my experiences. So the other thing, the little starbrooch. About

535
00:34:28.400 --> 00:34:33.639
a year later, my mom was having health issues and I,

536
00:34:33.840 --> 00:34:37.119
you know, I caregive for both my mother and my mom.

537
00:34:37.239 --> 00:34:38.880
You know, I had to retire being a butcher for

538
00:34:38.960 --> 00:34:44.559
years to do these things. But it was becoming a

539
00:34:44.599 --> 00:34:46.960
lot at that time because they were both so sick.

540
00:34:47.519 --> 00:34:51.400
So we had a caregiver from an outside company come

541
00:34:51.400 --> 00:34:55.199
in to help with my mom, you know, and she's

542
00:34:55.239 --> 00:35:02.400
actually half year rock from down by you know, Willow

543
00:35:02.400 --> 00:35:06.639
Creek area, more west though, but she lives up here,

544
00:35:07.280 --> 00:35:09.760
and you know, she'd been coming for a couple of

545
00:35:09.840 --> 00:35:15.519
months and we had sort of talked to her about

546
00:35:15.679 --> 00:35:19.159
reconnecting with that part of her of her life and

547
00:35:19.239 --> 00:35:21.760
her family, and we got her to do it. She

548
00:35:21.840 --> 00:35:24.280
was writing letters to her dad and almost all these

549
00:35:24.280 --> 00:35:27.360
things and things were she was feeling better about her

550
00:35:27.400 --> 00:35:30.079
life because of that. I said it. You know, it's important.

551
00:35:30.400 --> 00:35:33.760
You know these It's important to remember who you are,

552
00:35:34.039 --> 00:35:36.719
explore who you are, especially if it's you know, the

553
00:35:36.760 --> 00:35:40.480
indigenous side. A lot of these indigenous family you go

554
00:35:40.559 --> 00:35:43.679
back just a couple of generations. Because of assimilation and things,

555
00:35:44.199 --> 00:35:46.400
you don't even know the real history of that part

556
00:35:46.440 --> 00:35:48.840
of the family. Like on the family tree, it just

557
00:35:48.880 --> 00:35:53.119
stops where basically those that part of the family tree

558
00:35:53.119 --> 00:35:55.920
a lot of times starts where they are assimilated, when

559
00:35:55.920 --> 00:35:58.639
they started going to Indian school and all this. So

560
00:35:58.920 --> 00:36:01.840
I said, it's important, you know. She did it. Well,

561
00:36:01.840 --> 00:36:06.800
she shows up one day wearing this ring and it's

562
00:36:06.840 --> 00:36:11.559
an exact replica of this brooch. I'm like, whoa, okay,

563
00:36:12.960 --> 00:36:15.679
and we even got a picture of it. And I said, okay,

564
00:36:15.719 --> 00:36:18.840
this is for you. I go, now I know why

565
00:36:18.840 --> 00:36:22.679
they gave this to me. This is for you. And

566
00:36:22.719 --> 00:36:25.079
she went, wait a minute, she goes, something told me

567
00:36:25.119 --> 00:36:27.000
to wear this ring today. I don't know what it was.

568
00:36:28.519 --> 00:36:31.679
She said, goes, I never wear this ring, but something

569
00:36:31.719 --> 00:36:34.280
told me to wear it to your house. I well,

570
00:36:34.480 --> 00:36:37.000
this is why. I said, it's yours. This is a

571
00:36:37.039 --> 00:36:39.519
gift from the Harry folk to you. And she was

572
00:36:39.599 --> 00:36:42.199
like blown away, and I'm like, okay, it makes sense

573
00:36:42.239 --> 00:36:46.480
now why they gave us that. So there's these things

574
00:36:46.519 --> 00:36:51.840
connections that happen later on and it's just wild stuff,

575
00:36:51.920 --> 00:36:55.159
and you know, it's There's been other things that have

576
00:36:55.199 --> 00:37:00.360
been very strange too. Another connection with my wife's grand mother.

577
00:37:02.599 --> 00:37:09.039
We had this yard statue that had an angel on

578
00:37:09.119 --> 00:37:11.719
it and on the base of it was a bunch

579
00:37:11.760 --> 00:37:15.920
of different crystals, especially Courtz crystals lined up a different

580
00:37:15.960 --> 00:37:19.199
Courtz crystals that were embedded in the base sort of

581
00:37:19.559 --> 00:37:24.440
like a cement kind of steel. One of the days

582
00:37:24.480 --> 00:37:29.320
that we were coming back from their gifting area, my

583
00:37:29.360 --> 00:37:31.840
wife brings up, you know, it's kind of weird, but

584
00:37:31.960 --> 00:37:36.199
that statue disappeared in the way it did from our yard,

585
00:37:36.280 --> 00:37:39.840
now what And she goes, yeah, you know, we bought

586
00:37:39.880 --> 00:37:44.559
it with us from California, and I'd kind of forgot

587
00:37:44.639 --> 00:37:46.239
about it because there was just so much happening with

588
00:37:46.840 --> 00:37:49.880
my life's health issues and everything. Well, it was sort

589
00:37:49.920 --> 00:37:53.199
of right in our side yard, right off the door

590
00:37:53.360 --> 00:37:57.480
front door, and I think at the time when she

591
00:37:57.559 --> 00:37:59.280
told me about it, you know, because we were from

592
00:37:59.280 --> 00:38:02.960
California and there was a lot of issues with crime

593
00:38:03.039 --> 00:38:07.519
down there and I just assumed that someone stole it.

594
00:38:07.519 --> 00:38:10.239
And she goes, no, it disappeared peace by piece. I know,

595
00:38:10.400 --> 00:38:12.320
what do you mean? She goes, first, it was like

596
00:38:12.360 --> 00:38:16.679
the top part of this statue disappeared, then the whole

597
00:38:16.719 --> 00:38:19.880
angel disappeared, and it was just the base left with

598
00:38:19.920 --> 00:38:23.320
the with the crystals. Then peace by piece, the crystals

599
00:38:23.360 --> 00:38:28.320
disappeared out of the base and I went what and

600
00:38:28.400 --> 00:38:30.440
she goes yeah. Then one day just the base was gone,

601
00:38:31.599 --> 00:38:35.159
and I go, well, that's weird. And they're on the

602
00:38:35.159 --> 00:38:37.360
side of town here where it's there's just like no

603
00:38:37.480 --> 00:38:41.639
crime over here. It's so quiet and it's not like someone.

604
00:38:42.679 --> 00:38:44.480
I don't think that's what happened. As a matter of fact,

605
00:38:44.960 --> 00:38:48.119
I know it's not what happened because of this incident.

606
00:38:48.280 --> 00:38:50.639
So she goes, yeah, when we get back home, we

607
00:38:50.639 --> 00:38:53.400
were coming back from the gifting spot. When we get

608
00:38:53.440 --> 00:38:55.800
back home, I will show you exactly where it was,

609
00:38:55.920 --> 00:38:58.760
or it'll like jaw your memory. I said, okay, you know.

610
00:39:00.079 --> 00:39:02.840
So we pull up and she goes over to a

611
00:39:02.960 --> 00:39:10.639
point where it was, and in its place this huge

612
00:39:11.119 --> 00:39:14.679
pine cone. And we don't have big pine cones here.

613
00:39:14.719 --> 00:39:19.000
We have these dug fur cones that are like these tiny, long,

614
00:39:19.079 --> 00:39:21.719
skinny things. This was like a pond of rose of

615
00:39:21.719 --> 00:39:26.440
pine cone, big ball shaped, you know, bigger than a softball.

616
00:39:26.840 --> 00:39:29.239
And it was exactly where the statue was, and it

617
00:39:29.320 --> 00:39:33.079
wasn't there when we went to the spot, and she's

618
00:39:33.199 --> 00:39:37.320
like what. She picks it up and goes what is this?

619
00:39:38.000 --> 00:39:45.000
And I'm like, okay, that's weird. So and then I

620
00:39:45.039 --> 00:39:48.719
start researching and these pine cones aren't from this area.

621
00:39:49.400 --> 00:39:53.800
They'res not. I think maybe the Cascades maybe has some

622
00:39:53.880 --> 00:39:57.039
hundreds of pines, maybe some spots further down the coast,

623
00:39:57.559 --> 00:40:00.280
but everything here that I've ever seen in the five

624
00:40:00.440 --> 00:40:04.360
six years and we've lived here these tiny little uh

625
00:40:05.280 --> 00:40:09.280
dun fur cones. So that was weird. We kept it

626
00:40:09.360 --> 00:40:11.519
and we said, okay, well maybe it's connected to it.

627
00:40:11.639 --> 00:40:13.840
And we noticed there's possibly a couple of hairs in it,

628
00:40:15.760 --> 00:40:24.880
so I said, okay, that's pretty strange. So that original

629
00:40:25.679 --> 00:40:30.920
gifting spot we felt one day was compromised. We went

630
00:40:31.000 --> 00:40:33.599
back in there and all of a sudden, there's around

631
00:40:33.679 --> 00:40:36.960
the area is a bunch of marked trees like maybe

632
00:40:37.039 --> 00:40:40.719
Department of Forestry or something went in their orange spray

633
00:40:40.760 --> 00:40:42.639
paint on the on the on some of the trees

634
00:40:42.679 --> 00:40:47.239
around it. So we said, okay, I think that might

635
00:40:47.280 --> 00:40:49.679
be compromised. Maybe they saw it when they were back there.

636
00:40:52.159 --> 00:40:57.679
So we I basically held prayer that night and I'm

637
00:40:57.719 --> 00:40:59.800
gonna say it, and I go, okay, there's gonna be experiment.

638
00:41:00.920 --> 00:41:04.599
Let's see if they hear me. And I said, I

639
00:41:04.639 --> 00:41:08.800
put it out there, you know, to me, I called

640
00:41:08.840 --> 00:41:17.280
them Schiatanka elder brother. But I held prayer and I said, okay,

641
00:41:17.320 --> 00:41:20.360
I think that spot's compromised. So we're going to try

642
00:41:20.360 --> 00:41:22.760
to find a new spot. We'll be in there to

643
00:41:22.880 --> 00:41:25.440
check and see if there's still anything left on the stump.

644
00:41:25.960 --> 00:41:27.920
But I feel it has been compromised and we need

645
00:41:27.960 --> 00:41:30.599
to find a new spot. It'll be in the general area,

646
00:41:30.679 --> 00:41:34.679
but for their back keeper in the forest. We went

647
00:41:34.719 --> 00:41:41.039
the next morning. Everything is gone from the stump. The

648
00:41:41.079 --> 00:41:43.760
back of the stump, you know, like when trees get cut.

649
00:41:43.840 --> 00:41:48.800
There's that sort of knob where the tree fell, the

650
00:41:49.079 --> 00:41:53.360
piece that sticks up still on the flat part that

651
00:41:53.559 --> 00:41:57.480
was snapped off of the back of the stump, which

652
00:41:58.079 --> 00:42:01.880
you couldn't do with your hands. It wasmpletely broken off,

653
00:42:02.519 --> 00:42:07.679
and they had used that to scrape all the moss

654
00:42:07.719 --> 00:42:11.000
off the top of that stump that pictures that too,

655
00:42:11.679 --> 00:42:13.760
and you can see where they just scraped it off,

656
00:42:13.840 --> 00:42:16.280
like almost saying like this is done. And then that

657
00:42:16.400 --> 00:42:20.360
piece was left next to it. So that was wild

658
00:42:20.519 --> 00:42:24.079
and I said, okay, I guess they heard a few

659
00:42:24.119 --> 00:42:27.280
weeks later, we found a new spot further back in

660
00:42:27.360 --> 00:42:32.559
this area, and this is a spot where maybe it's

661
00:42:32.599 --> 00:42:35.360
an old tree that got hit by lighting, because it's

662
00:42:35.400 --> 00:42:38.760
sort of split. There's four pieces that still go up

663
00:42:39.800 --> 00:42:42.280
and then it's like a hollowed out area in the middle,

664
00:42:43.400 --> 00:42:47.440
so where it's really hidden, and we when we leave things,

665
00:42:47.480 --> 00:42:50.840
we covered up with pieces of broken moss and tree,

666
00:42:50.920 --> 00:42:54.079
so you just it's completely hidden back there. And they

667
00:42:54.079 --> 00:43:01.360
started taking stuff from there. Well that just a few

668
00:43:01.360 --> 00:43:05.119
weeks ago, or maybe a couple months ago. We go

669
00:43:05.199 --> 00:43:08.400
back to that area and everything's gone again, and they've

670
00:43:08.400 --> 00:43:11.400
been taking things regularly. They take a lot more than

671
00:43:11.400 --> 00:43:16.400
they have given us, but we've still received things. We

672
00:43:16.480 --> 00:43:22.920
go back to that spot and there are five pine

673
00:43:22.960 --> 00:43:26.360
cones that matched the one that was on our front yard,

674
00:43:27.239 --> 00:43:29.679
and there's none of these trees in the area. They're

675
00:43:29.679 --> 00:43:34.239
just not there. And they left us these matching pine cones,

676
00:43:34.519 --> 00:43:38.880
and they look like they're from the same batch. It's bizarre.

677
00:43:38.920 --> 00:43:41.199
One of them looks like almost like it was partially

678
00:43:41.239 --> 00:43:44.400
eaten or something. I don't know if they eat them

679
00:43:44.679 --> 00:43:48.719
or not, I don't know. But so now we have

680
00:43:48.920 --> 00:43:53.119
in our windows, so five more matching giant pine cones

681
00:43:53.159 --> 00:43:58.079
aren't from the area that were gifted to us. So

682
00:43:58.400 --> 00:44:05.559
there's been a lot of that kind of events and experiences.

683
00:44:06.199 --> 00:44:10.079
I've heard things back there while I was back there

684
00:44:10.119 --> 00:44:14.679
at the gifting area. What sounded like a grumble. But

685
00:44:14.800 --> 00:44:21.039
it was strange because my wife could shield something at

686
00:44:21.039 --> 00:44:22.960
the time, but she didn't hear it, and I it's

687
00:44:23.000 --> 00:44:25.440
almost like I didn't hear well. I heard it in

688
00:44:25.480 --> 00:44:27.719
my ears, but it sounded like it was coming from

689
00:44:27.760 --> 00:44:29.960
all around me. It's the only way I could explain it.

690
00:44:31.440 --> 00:44:34.800
Like it wasn't like from a certain area. It was

691
00:44:34.840 --> 00:44:40.320
like a sound that surrounded me that I felt hard

692
00:44:40.320 --> 00:44:46.159
to explain. And it was like this very low pitched

693
00:44:46.639 --> 00:44:51.280
grumble sort of overall, almost like it was saying something

694
00:44:52.440 --> 00:44:57.880
but in a different language, and very very deep, very

695
00:44:57.960 --> 00:45:03.039
very deep. That there's been instances where they've left, like

696
00:45:04.800 --> 00:45:09.480
Stix jammed into our ei, the crack in the door

697
00:45:09.519 --> 00:45:11.039
in our car when we go back to the car.

698
00:45:11.199 --> 00:45:18.480
Things like that. We've heard a call from there. One time.

699
00:45:18.639 --> 00:45:21.880
We hadn't been there for a while and we showed up,

700
00:45:21.880 --> 00:45:24.599
and right when we go into the forest in this area,

701
00:45:25.199 --> 00:45:29.480
we heard a whoop from back in the forest when

702
00:45:29.519 --> 00:45:31.679
we were going in that area. So I don't know

703
00:45:31.679 --> 00:45:33.920
if they were like happy to see us or what

704
00:45:33.960 --> 00:45:39.280
it was, but there was that another incident in that

705
00:45:39.440 --> 00:45:42.280
same general area. I was show man a music video.

706
00:45:43.800 --> 00:45:46.360
I played music. I grew up playing punk rock and

707
00:45:46.480 --> 00:45:49.119
I still do it, but at this time, I was

708
00:45:49.320 --> 00:45:53.760
sort of incorporating some indigenous vibes into it. And I

709
00:45:53.800 --> 00:45:58.320
was show man this music video for it, and you know,

710
00:45:58.360 --> 00:46:00.800
I went back there. I did some smudge, I played

711
00:46:00.800 --> 00:46:04.679
my drum, you know, my dear drum. I played some

712
00:46:04.719 --> 00:46:08.840
woodwind because it's incorporated in the song. And we were

713
00:46:08.840 --> 00:46:12.400
just filming those parts and there was a huge mushroom,

714
00:46:12.719 --> 00:46:15.559
giant mushroom, and I said, well, it'd be cool if

715
00:46:15.559 --> 00:46:18.119
we get that in the shot and I'll smudge right

716
00:46:18.119 --> 00:46:22.519
above it, you know, And we were doing that, and

717
00:46:22.559 --> 00:46:24.679
this is on video, and I left it in the video.

718
00:46:24.719 --> 00:46:27.760
It's a very end of the music video. I just

719
00:46:27.880 --> 00:46:29.639
left it in there as sort of an Easter egg.

720
00:46:31.719 --> 00:46:35.639
Something called out from the forest, and at the time,

721
00:46:38.079 --> 00:46:40.280
it's right when I was smudging, and it sounded like

722
00:46:40.280 --> 00:46:42.519
a call out, like an indigenous call out, like a

723
00:46:42.599 --> 00:46:47.920
Native American call out, but it really reverberated and echoed

724
00:46:47.960 --> 00:46:52.079
through the whole forest. It was very loud. There's no

725
00:46:52.119 --> 00:46:56.079
one back there, And in the video, I said, did

726
00:46:56.119 --> 00:46:58.760
you hear that? And life goes Yeah, I said, that

727
00:46:58.840 --> 00:47:01.960
sounded Native, like an she knows it kind of did.

728
00:47:02.639 --> 00:47:04.920
But now I'm thinking about it. It just was so loud.

729
00:47:05.440 --> 00:47:07.480
I think it might have been one of them, sort

730
00:47:07.519 --> 00:47:12.159
of because I consider them, you know, they have clans

731
00:47:12.199 --> 00:47:14.840
and tribes, I believe. I think they're just they live

732
00:47:14.880 --> 00:47:19.360
in that old way like indigenous people did before Europeans came,

733
00:47:19.920 --> 00:47:23.800
but even older. Maybe they taught Indigenous people things I

734
00:47:23.840 --> 00:47:26.960
don't know. I've heard stories where they you still hold

735
00:47:27.000 --> 00:47:30.400
fires together and hold ceremony and things like this, and

736
00:47:30.440 --> 00:47:34.239
I've heard stories where, actually, I think on your show,

737
00:47:34.440 --> 00:47:37.800
I think I heard someone talking about when they hold ceremony,

738
00:47:37.840 --> 00:47:41.360
they show up, and I've heard these things in other places.

739
00:47:42.280 --> 00:47:45.199
It just came up yesterday. The episode's not out yet,

740
00:47:45.239 --> 00:47:46.719
it's very very interesting.

741
00:47:48.039 --> 00:47:51.119
Yeah, so I think there's a connection to the indigenous

742
00:47:51.159 --> 00:47:56.559
part too, And it seems like, you know, I've heard

743
00:47:56.599 --> 00:47:59.960
other stories from this area. There's other things that have happened,

744
00:48:01.119 --> 00:48:04.320
you know. I told this story about the rock to

745
00:48:04.400 --> 00:48:07.880
the lady at the grocery store they'll be chat with sometimes,

746
00:48:08.320 --> 00:48:12.239
and she told me a story of one of these

747
00:48:12.280 --> 00:48:19.519
logging areas where there's a logging camp and somebody stays

748
00:48:19.559 --> 00:48:22.559
there overnight to make sure that the equipment doesn't get

749
00:48:22.840 --> 00:48:26.320
you know, ripped off or anything like that. Well, she

750
00:48:26.400 --> 00:48:31.079
had had an experience where all of a sudden, there's

751
00:48:31.159 --> 00:48:35.960
all these they're basically yelling, throwing things at the at

752
00:48:36.000 --> 00:48:40.480
the trailer all night long, rocking the trailer, hitting the

753
00:48:40.519 --> 00:48:44.199
side of it. She's scared before that, she didn't believe

754
00:48:44.239 --> 00:48:46.760
in those kinds of things. It scared her, you know,

755
00:48:46.880 --> 00:48:52.880
scary thing and powerful, powerful beings. Sounds like maybe they

756
00:48:52.920 --> 00:48:58.039
were not. As the logging happened all night long until

757
00:48:58.199 --> 00:49:02.519
it got lied out and it stopped, she finally realizes

758
00:49:02.840 --> 00:49:05.719
they're gone. She goes out in the front door of

759
00:49:05.800 --> 00:49:08.960
this trailer and outside of the trailer, all the way

760
00:49:09.039 --> 00:49:13.519
surrounding the trailer are all these sticks, broken sticks stuck

761
00:49:13.559 --> 00:49:19.199
into the ground, and that's something that I don't know

762
00:49:19.199 --> 00:49:21.360
if that's a normal thing for them, but it is here.

763
00:49:21.760 --> 00:49:25.679
I always can tell whether they're in an area because

764
00:49:26.559 --> 00:49:30.679
you'll see these sticks stuck into the ground everywhere. It's

765
00:49:30.719 --> 00:49:35.239
a thing that they do. Here. I've even seen them.

766
00:49:36.920 --> 00:49:41.360
This is pretty wild, like these stumps, you know, like

767
00:49:41.440 --> 00:49:44.320
where they had cut trees down a long time ago.

768
00:49:44.519 --> 00:49:48.840
I saw one where it's like this huge limb that

769
00:49:49.039 --> 00:49:54.400
was jammed down so hard with force into the stump,

770
00:49:55.440 --> 00:49:59.480
like something with so much force drove it down into

771
00:49:59.519 --> 00:50:02.840
the stump. So there's this stump, and then sticking up

772
00:50:03.000 --> 00:50:06.440
in the wood of the stump is another limbs sticking

773
00:50:06.480 --> 00:50:11.119
straight up. I've seen that. I've seen something similar up

774
00:50:11.119 --> 00:50:14.480
by the Umpqua River, a spot we stopped stop that

775
00:50:14.599 --> 00:50:19.159
normally up there. The strange piles of rocks with that

776
00:50:19.239 --> 00:50:27.480
are in very peculiar patterns. And another stump up that

777
00:50:27.679 --> 00:50:31.679
area where there's a bunch of little sticks stuck into

778
00:50:31.719 --> 00:50:35.519
the top of this stump. And even seeing what looks

779
00:50:35.559 --> 00:50:40.440
like riding on the area by the I think it's

780
00:50:40.440 --> 00:50:45.360
by the side of Slaw River. There's like this one

781
00:50:45.360 --> 00:50:49.880
little area where there's like some sort of electrical panel

782
00:50:50.199 --> 00:50:52.280
or something like that that's sort of just next to

783
00:50:52.320 --> 00:50:56.360
the river. And there was all these what looked like

784
00:50:56.440 --> 00:50:58.840
glypts next to me. You'll see those up here too,

785
00:50:58.840 --> 00:51:03.320
a lot of what looks like and then there's these

786
00:51:03.320 --> 00:51:05.960
glyphs and piles of stones that were on top of

787
00:51:06.000 --> 00:51:08.920
this panel. And then what looked like some of them

788
00:51:09.039 --> 00:51:13.679
was taking a stick and like writing something on It

789
00:51:13.679 --> 00:51:18.599
didn't look like English, it looked like symbols. I've seen

790
00:51:18.639 --> 00:51:25.840
that recently. We started another gifting area to the north

791
00:51:25.840 --> 00:51:29.119
of us. The other ones to the south. This was

792
00:51:29.159 --> 00:51:34.440
to the north. It's at the end of this road

793
00:51:34.480 --> 00:51:37.400
that turns into a logging road. Nothing up there, just

794
00:51:37.559 --> 00:51:40.880
mountains and it's sort of more up inside inland a

795
00:51:40.920 --> 00:51:46.400
little bit, not right on the coast. And found this

796
00:51:46.440 --> 00:51:51.400
old logging road that's sort of overgrown that hasn't been

797
00:51:51.480 --> 00:51:55.519
used in years. And what walked up it found this

798
00:51:56.320 --> 00:51:59.000
big giant boulder in this creek. And on the other

799
00:51:59.079 --> 00:52:03.760
side of this boulder were these two sort of flat

800
00:52:03.840 --> 00:52:06.400
rocks that were leaned up against well, one was leaned

801
00:52:06.440 --> 00:52:08.000
up against the back of this boulder and one was

802
00:52:08.079 --> 00:52:10.239
down I said, well, that might be a good area.

803
00:52:10.679 --> 00:52:13.880
I'll use those little flat rocks. I'll leave something on

804
00:52:13.920 --> 00:52:16.599
the back side of this boulder and put the flat

805
00:52:16.679 --> 00:52:19.920
rocks right up against it. You would never think, I mean,

806
00:52:19.920 --> 00:52:22.559
no one's back there anyway. But you would just walk

807
00:52:22.599 --> 00:52:25.079
by this huge boulder and look on the other side

808
00:52:25.079 --> 00:52:29.360
of you'd have to think to look back there. I

809
00:52:29.400 --> 00:52:32.320
went back in just a few days after leaving a

810
00:52:32.360 --> 00:52:35.400
couple of gifts, and as soon as I walked back

811
00:52:35.480 --> 00:52:41.599
up to it, the one flat rock that was down,

812
00:52:41.880 --> 00:52:44.360
not leaned up against the boulder, went back to its

813
00:52:44.360 --> 00:52:50.039
original spot. And I went, oh, okay, very just in

814
00:52:50.159 --> 00:52:52.960
the exact spot that I found it originally, and the

815
00:52:53.000 --> 00:52:55.360
other one was leaned up where it originally was. Two

816
00:52:55.360 --> 00:52:57.480
and I looked and everything was gone. That was just

817
00:52:57.519 --> 00:53:00.400
like a day or two later on the first time.

818
00:53:00.599 --> 00:53:05.960
So I'm like, wow, that was quick. Okay, So we

819
00:53:06.039 --> 00:53:11.039
have two two areas now, But I really feel like

820
00:53:11.119 --> 00:53:16.599
this area. They're everywhere. I feel like if there's a

821
00:53:16.719 --> 00:53:21.840
we've seen there's a trail that's right along the bay

822
00:53:21.880 --> 00:53:27.159
here that people will use all the time. I've seen that.

823
00:53:27.280 --> 00:53:31.920
We have a picture of this too. Footprints bare footprints

824
00:53:31.960 --> 00:53:35.440
coming up out of the water up into the brush

825
00:53:35.920 --> 00:53:37.960
and it's you can't really get down this area. But

826
00:53:38.480 --> 00:53:40.719
when the when the tide was low, you could see

827
00:53:40.719 --> 00:53:43.159
the mud, you know, and it was a single line.

828
00:53:43.199 --> 00:53:45.800
Like they say that, like we walked side to side

829
00:53:45.880 --> 00:53:48.800
sort of, and it looks like they're walking a tightrope.

830
00:53:49.039 --> 00:53:53.000
That's what these footprints were doing coming up out of

831
00:53:53.039 --> 00:53:57.000
the bay. So I think they use the waterways here.

832
00:53:57.559 --> 00:54:01.280
You know, there's people have waste her traps out here,

833
00:54:01.639 --> 00:54:04.960
and there's all kinds of different fish in this you know,

834
00:54:05.079 --> 00:54:09.800
in this system here there's salmon, there's shellfish, there's the cockles,

835
00:54:09.880 --> 00:54:14.559
there's so I think they that's a big thing here

836
00:54:14.599 --> 00:54:17.679
for them for their food source, along with all the

837
00:54:17.719 --> 00:54:19.920
deer that are here up in the mountains and everything

838
00:54:19.920 --> 00:54:25.519
else and buries everywhere. But it seems this area there's

839
00:54:25.599 --> 00:54:30.960
a lot of activity. A couple a few months ago,

840
00:54:31.079 --> 00:54:36.920
right before wintertime was in fall. We have another friend

841
00:54:37.280 --> 00:54:40.320
who was my my wife's mentor when she first started

842
00:54:41.639 --> 00:54:44.559
going into her abilities. Let's basically say this lady was

843
00:54:44.679 --> 00:54:47.920
sort of teaching her and this she's I think patchy

844
00:54:48.599 --> 00:54:53.000
a quarter apachee, but she's down in southern California. She

845
00:54:53.119 --> 00:54:56.719
called up my wife and said, and she doesn't really

846
00:54:56.840 --> 00:55:02.239
so much believe in sasquatch, but something was coming to her.

847
00:55:03.360 --> 00:55:06.000
And this lady is extremely gifted. She's worked with police

848
00:55:06.000 --> 00:55:13.559
departments down there and everything for crime, extremely gifted. She

849
00:55:13.960 --> 00:55:17.760
told my wife to tell me that they are waiting

850
00:55:17.800 --> 00:55:21.000
for me to go camping by myself out out there.

851
00:55:23.000 --> 00:55:25.400
And I said, oh, okay, And you know, I told me,

852
00:55:25.480 --> 00:55:27.639
and I go, well, that's going to be kind of weird,

853
00:55:27.840 --> 00:55:31.840
but okay, if that's what they want, I believe that

854
00:55:31.920 --> 00:55:36.599
this what she's saying. So I went out and I

855
00:55:36.679 --> 00:55:41.119
camped for a few days in this private camping area

856
00:55:41.920 --> 00:55:45.599
that sort of backs up to the Coastal Range sort

857
00:55:45.599 --> 00:55:47.639
of right off up the up from the ocean a

858
00:55:47.679 --> 00:55:49.840
little bit, but it's right with the hills of the

859
00:55:49.840 --> 00:55:54.079
coast Range start. And that's a private campground. And this

860
00:55:54.239 --> 00:55:55.760
was the time of year where there was only one

861
00:55:55.800 --> 00:55:58.679
other person in this whole big camping area, and they

862
00:55:58.679 --> 00:56:01.960
were towards the front. I was in the back, and

863
00:56:02.239 --> 00:56:04.480
these people just came in for the night and then

864
00:56:04.599 --> 00:56:08.599
left the next morning. But so I was. I went

865
00:56:08.599 --> 00:56:12.639
out and I fasted. I just chok a tiny bit

866
00:56:12.639 --> 00:56:14.519
of water in case, I got a little bit thirsty,

867
00:56:15.039 --> 00:56:17.519
tried my best to not drink any water, didn't meet

868
00:56:17.559 --> 00:56:21.719
me food, and I just held fire. I brought my drum,

869
00:56:21.800 --> 00:56:27.400
I brought my guitar, I sang, I played drum, I

870
00:56:27.440 --> 00:56:32.119
held prayer and it was phenomenal. I had, you know,

871
00:56:32.199 --> 00:56:36.519
I had, you know, huge birds landing above me, these trees,

872
00:56:38.360 --> 00:56:42.320
eagles and uh, I think it was a herring hearing

873
00:56:43.239 --> 00:56:46.960
and just it was phenomenal. And I could hear the

874
00:56:46.960 --> 00:56:50.280
elk rooting against the trees. I could just and I

875
00:56:50.280 --> 00:56:53.840
can hear them bugling. It was amazing. So that first

876
00:56:53.960 --> 00:56:57.360
night I fell asleep and I didn't have a tent

877
00:56:57.440 --> 00:57:01.119
with me, and it was kind of sort of misting.

878
00:57:01.320 --> 00:57:02.880
So I just said, well, I just I'll sleep in

879
00:57:02.880 --> 00:57:05.000
the car, I guess, and I leave the windows down

880
00:57:05.039 --> 00:57:12.679
and do my best to get some rest. And so

881
00:57:12.760 --> 00:57:17.880
that night, same thing. I have this weird dream. And

882
00:57:17.920 --> 00:57:21.239
I've been having these dreams since that first one word.

883
00:57:22.159 --> 00:57:25.599
I've had one family of all black ones come to

884
00:57:25.639 --> 00:57:28.920
me and say thank you for adding us to your prayer.

885
00:57:29.360 --> 00:57:32.960
We hear you every time. And it was like a family,

886
00:57:34.119 --> 00:57:37.199
the little ones that were like chucked up in these trees,

887
00:57:37.199 --> 00:57:40.360
all shy. It seemed like I was talking to a man.

888
00:57:44.159 --> 00:57:47.559
I've had that. I've had other ones where they show

889
00:57:47.679 --> 00:57:53.639
me that they can shape shift. Like I've had really

890
00:57:53.679 --> 00:57:56.880
strange dream where I can see a group of them

891
00:57:57.000 --> 00:58:00.639
coming and they're tall, skinny black ones and they're kind

892
00:58:00.639 --> 00:58:03.039
of coming through the bush and as they come out,

893
00:58:03.079 --> 00:58:06.559
they're walking past me, they shape shift into humans. I

894
00:58:06.559 --> 00:58:08.280
don't know if they could do I have no idea,

895
00:58:09.559 --> 00:58:11.800
But then the dream that they were showing and they

896
00:58:11.840 --> 00:58:14.960
were doing that, and they were but they were really tall,

897
00:58:16.519 --> 00:58:22.719
European looking, long blonde haired, kind of goofy looking humans,

898
00:58:24.000 --> 00:58:27.079
which was really strange to me, like that makes no sense.

899
00:58:27.239 --> 00:58:31.000
But the woman says he can do this if we

900
00:58:31.039 --> 00:58:34.480
want to, and I just went okay, and I woke

901
00:58:34.559 --> 00:58:37.280
up to that. You know. But when I was camping,

902
00:58:39.159 --> 00:58:47.280
similar thing. A big, tall, blonde, long haired European guy

903
00:58:47.280 --> 00:58:50.639
but he was very tall, walks by me in this

904
00:58:50.840 --> 00:58:53.159
dream that I was having. All of a sudden, it

905
00:58:53.239 --> 00:58:56.199
shakes me out of the dream where it's just him

906
00:58:56.199 --> 00:58:59.239
and he's walking by me, sort of smile on his face.

907
00:59:00.199 --> 00:59:03.199
He sits down in front of me and then starts morphing,

908
00:59:03.280 --> 00:59:05.840
and they're a Sasquatch, I snap out of the dream

909
00:59:05.920 --> 00:59:08.920
right there. It was bizarre. I snap out of it,

910
00:59:08.920 --> 00:59:10.280
and I'm like, WHOA, what the heck? Can I go?

911
00:59:10.360 --> 00:59:15.599
Are they here? You know? And there was nothing at

912
00:59:15.599 --> 00:59:20.239
that second outside or anything. But just about an hour later,

913
00:59:21.559 --> 00:59:25.960
I look over and to my right, I see red

914
00:59:26.000 --> 00:59:30.559
eyes and they're at ground level. When I see them,

915
00:59:30.599 --> 00:59:33.519
they're on the ground, but all I see is that

916
00:59:33.840 --> 00:59:36.280
was so dark out there. But as soon as I

917
00:59:36.360 --> 00:59:40.960
see and they slowly raise up to about eight foot

918
00:59:41.000 --> 00:59:44.639
off the ground and go to the right and just

919
00:59:44.679 --> 00:59:47.960
spear behind the trees, and I said, oh, they are here, okay.

920
00:59:48.480 --> 00:59:55.320
So and it was close to me, probably thirty forty feet.

921
00:59:58.039 --> 01:00:00.599
Didn't see anybody because it was so dark, but I

922
01:00:00.679 --> 01:00:06.679
clearly saw what looked like electric red eyes. I mean

923
01:00:06.840 --> 01:00:14.079
it looked like electricity in those eyes, so like electric,

924
01:00:14.119 --> 01:00:19.159
looking like nothing in nature. It was. It was strange.

925
01:00:19.320 --> 01:00:22.599
And I've heard that, you know, said they can have that.

926
01:00:23.559 --> 01:00:26.119
Well I saw it with my own eyes. So I

927
01:00:26.239 --> 01:00:29.639
had that experience. The next night, nothing happened. It rained

928
01:00:29.679 --> 01:00:34.360
all night, but yeah, they were there. They were there.

929
01:00:34.519 --> 01:00:37.079
I tried to leave gifts for them that night. They

930
01:00:37.119 --> 01:00:40.639
didn't take anything, no movement on that. But I had

931
01:00:40.639 --> 01:00:44.079
that strange dream and I saw their eyes. So and

932
01:00:44.119 --> 01:00:48.440
it's all in this general area all King's County, you know,

933
01:00:48.559 --> 01:00:53.480
whether it's south or east or north of Kings Bay itself,

934
01:00:53.519 --> 01:00:59.280
but it's in Kings County, you know. I don't know

935
01:00:59.320 --> 01:01:03.400
if you've seen that. What's the what's the movie documentary

936
01:01:04.840 --> 01:01:10.280
Flash of Beauty, Paranormal Bigfoot? Oh? Absolutely, so the story

937
01:01:10.320 --> 01:01:16.199
of the guys that saw they were in by Coquiel.

938
01:01:16.559 --> 01:01:20.039
Outside of Coquiel, they were going to work and they

939
01:01:20.039 --> 01:01:21.639
saw one on the side of the road that turned

940
01:01:21.639 --> 01:01:25.119
into an orange, first a ball and then a square

941
01:01:25.159 --> 01:01:28.360
and then shot off. I know exactly that area. Wow.

942
01:01:29.519 --> 01:01:31.480
I trained the lay of that area because they said

943
01:01:31.480 --> 01:01:34.280
it was right by this camp ground outside this area.

944
01:01:35.679 --> 01:01:38.920
I'm actually actually matched up. I've founded on Google Earth.

945
01:01:39.239 --> 01:01:42.119
I go, oh, yeah, okay, I know that spot. So

946
01:01:42.159 --> 01:01:44.320
it's that's right over the hill from us. It's literally

947
01:01:45.639 --> 01:01:51.039
we've driven out out in that area and it's we've

948
01:01:51.039 --> 01:01:53.920
seen all kinds of evidence of their broken trees and

949
01:01:54.360 --> 01:01:58.480
stick stuff in the ground. That's just you know, all's

950
01:01:58.480 --> 01:02:00.800
over the over the hill from us. So that's all

951
01:02:00.800 --> 01:02:04.800
in this area too. There's a lot of activity out here.

952
01:02:06.360 --> 01:02:09.639
It's absolutely fascinating. I mean, first, thank you for sharing

953
01:02:10.039 --> 01:02:14.480
some really really personal things that you've experienced over the years.

954
01:02:14.679 --> 01:02:18.719
Regarding this, thanks for letting me get off my chest.

955
01:02:18.760 --> 01:02:23.880
I have not shared this with anyone except for close

956
01:02:23.920 --> 01:02:27.719
family and a couple of friends. But I think it

957
01:02:27.760 --> 01:02:30.840
was time for me to share. They kind of they

958
01:02:30.960 --> 01:02:32.800
kind of put that into me that it's time to share.

959
01:02:34.719 --> 01:02:38.920
I feel like they're reaching out to certain people that

960
01:02:39.000 --> 01:02:41.559
are ready for it. I guess I don't know, but

961
01:02:42.079 --> 01:02:43.039
it seems to be happening.

962
01:02:44.119 --> 01:02:48.239
That is something that I hear every once in a

963
01:02:48.280 --> 01:02:51.920
while on this show, and I don't know if I've

964
01:02:51.960 --> 01:02:56.800
ever mentioned it publicly, but there are certain times when

965
01:02:57.000 --> 01:03:02.679
people that I've talked to, sometimes with the Native American background,

966
01:03:02.679 --> 01:03:04.280
I'll be like, why did you reach out to me?

967
01:03:04.320 --> 01:03:07.679
And they're like, well, because of the spirits told me to.

968
01:03:08.079 --> 01:03:11.960
And that does happen with with psychic people as well.

969
01:03:12.159 --> 01:03:12.400
Well.

970
01:03:12.639 --> 01:03:15.440
Of course they're they're referring to different things, but it

971
01:03:15.880 --> 01:03:23.599
pretty much something is saying that and this is just hypothetical,

972
01:03:23.679 --> 01:03:26.519
but something is saying for certain people to reach out,

973
01:03:26.559 --> 01:03:27.320
now is the time.

974
01:03:27.559 --> 01:03:33.239
And yeah, things are happening interesting. Yeah, yeah, I think

975
01:03:33.280 --> 01:03:36.519
that it's they want people to talk about these things.

976
01:03:36.599 --> 01:03:39.480
Now it's gotten to a point, I guess, you know,

977
01:03:39.559 --> 01:03:43.639
with whatever is happening in the world, and you know,

978
01:03:44.280 --> 01:03:48.400
I think that the forest and the lands and the waters,

979
01:03:49.400 --> 01:03:54.199
you know, it's I think they're wanting to spread awareness

980
01:03:54.360 --> 01:03:56.920
about how important these things are and that we're just

981
01:03:56.960 --> 01:04:01.480
an extension of the Earth and we're basically the Earth's children,

982
01:04:01.639 --> 01:04:05.159
you know. And I believe that's sort of I believe

983
01:04:05.199 --> 01:04:09.039
they have spirituality and it seems like much deeper than

984
01:04:09.119 --> 01:04:14.159
we do. But that's just kind of the feeling that

985
01:04:14.199 --> 01:04:16.840
I'm getting, and I do believe there's some sort of

986
01:04:16.920 --> 01:04:20.519
connection to consciousness with all of these things. Along with

987
01:04:20.559 --> 01:04:24.679
my UFO experiences, I've had wild UFO experiences. They've been

988
01:04:24.760 --> 01:04:27.920
right over me. And there was a time when my

989
01:04:28.440 --> 01:04:30.639
mom was real sick a couple of years ago that

990
01:04:31.719 --> 01:04:33.760
it was like every night, every other night, they were

991
01:04:33.760 --> 01:04:36.519
out here, kind of reminding me of like what's happening

992
01:04:36.519 --> 01:04:40.039
with Chris Bledsoe. They were here all the time. They

993
01:04:40.079 --> 01:04:43.400
were here all the time, and that's kind of why

994
01:04:43.440 --> 01:04:47.320
I started putting my music out by myself, you know,

995
01:04:47.599 --> 01:04:50.559
I was in punk bands and stuff in California, and

996
01:04:50.599 --> 01:04:52.119
I had I had kind of given up on it

997
01:04:52.159 --> 01:04:56.000
because my wife's health and everything. And I had an

998
01:04:56.000 --> 01:04:58.280
experience where I was out walking the dog and there

999
01:04:58.320 --> 01:05:02.960
was a light above me, right above me, and at

1000
01:05:02.960 --> 01:05:05.159
that time I had seen so much and didn't startle me.

1001
01:05:05.880 --> 01:05:08.960
I actually pointed at it and said, gotcha. And as

1002
01:05:08.960 --> 01:05:12.159
I did that, it disappeared like it was almost playing

1003
01:05:12.199 --> 01:05:15.320
with me. But as I was walking in I almost

1004
01:05:15.639 --> 01:05:19.039
caught myself talking to myself under my breath, saying, Okay,

1005
01:05:19.119 --> 01:05:21.079
I will put my music out. I will do it.

1006
01:05:21.119 --> 01:05:24.239
I just have to figure out the technology behind it.

1007
01:05:24.280 --> 01:05:25.920
I have to start and scratch. I will do what

1008
01:05:25.960 --> 01:05:28.480
I promised, And I went, who am I talking to?

1009
01:05:29.360 --> 01:05:32.440
I got this download to do it. Since then, I've

1010
01:05:32.639 --> 01:05:36.199
recorded and produced three hundred songs, and I was just

1011
01:05:36.280 --> 01:05:37.079
like three years ago.

1012
01:05:37.440 --> 01:05:43.119
So it's there's strange things in this world that you know,

1013
01:05:43.199 --> 01:05:45.119
a lot of people think are wo and his and

1014
01:05:45.199 --> 01:05:47.599
that I think it's just part of nature and part

1015
01:05:47.599 --> 01:05:48.079
of science.

1016
01:05:49.960 --> 01:05:53.880
Yeah, absolutely, And you know, I think maybe we'll get

1017
01:05:53.880 --> 01:05:57.000
to the point where that term isn't even brought up

1018
01:05:57.000 --> 01:05:58.440
anymore because it's.

1019
01:05:58.199 --> 01:05:58.960
Just I hope.

1020
01:05:59.000 --> 01:06:03.480
So you know, there's no apology needed for it anymore, right.

1021
01:06:03.960 --> 01:06:06.760
Yeah, And to me, it's almost like a derogatory term

1022
01:06:06.880 --> 01:06:10.119
then to make people think I don't want to say

1023
01:06:10.119 --> 01:06:13.039
that because they don't look crazy at this point, who cares,

1024
01:06:13.199 --> 01:06:18.039
who cares whatever, you know. I know my experiences. My

1025
01:06:18.079 --> 01:06:20.440
family has been with me, I've had friends with me

1026
01:06:20.519 --> 01:06:23.199
that I experienced it. I'm not worried about it.

1027
01:06:24.159 --> 01:06:27.960
Absolutely. There's probably a few listeners that are wanting me

1028
01:06:28.039 --> 01:06:31.559
to ask if you still have the film that was

1029
01:06:31.679 --> 01:06:35.480
taken of what was on the rock by the ocean.

1030
01:06:35.719 --> 01:06:38.320
Yeah, yeah, it was digital, but yeah I have we have.

1031
01:06:40.079 --> 01:06:42.920
I have both from the camera which is better quality

1032
01:06:43.440 --> 01:06:46.679
and my phone. Now, like I said, we didn't get

1033
01:06:46.679 --> 01:06:48.599
it when it jumped off, but I have it before

1034
01:06:49.559 --> 01:06:52.079
and I can. I could probably send you a couple

1035
01:06:53.400 --> 01:06:56.800
copies just so you can take a look at it yourself,

1036
01:06:57.800 --> 01:07:00.639
and I'll just sort of I'll do a shot because

1037
01:07:00.639 --> 01:07:03.039
I really don't want the location getting out. Yeah.

1038
01:07:03.079 --> 01:07:06.400
Absolutely, and that actually that's a great thing off the

1039
01:07:06.440 --> 01:07:10.400
side for everyone to hear. When you send video and

1040
01:07:10.599 --> 01:07:14.639
photos and stuff regarding this, make sure the location is off.

1041
01:07:14.719 --> 01:07:18.000
iPhones make it really easy exactly include location, but just

1042
01:07:18.119 --> 01:07:21.239
keep in mind you're sending where it was taken whenever

1043
01:07:21.280 --> 01:07:23.360
you send the photos in the videos exactly.

1044
01:07:23.400 --> 01:07:26.679
And that's why I'm like, I don't you know, I'll

1045
01:07:26.679 --> 01:07:28.280
figure out a way to either I don't know if

1046
01:07:28.320 --> 01:07:30.159
I could give them my camera and turn that off,

1047
01:07:30.280 --> 01:07:32.599
or if I just do a screenshot of the picture.

1048
01:07:32.679 --> 01:07:34.920
I don't know how about I'll I could send you

1049
01:07:35.400 --> 01:07:40.079
copies of that, And especially the close ups that I

1050
01:07:40.119 --> 01:07:43.119
took and I turned the saturation up and take a

1051
01:07:43.199 --> 01:07:46.880
definition or whatever it was, you can really get a

1052
01:07:46.920 --> 01:07:49.360
good sense of the shape of it. And it was

1053
01:07:49.440 --> 01:07:52.760
obvious that's what it is. But I didn't even need

1054
01:07:52.800 --> 01:07:55.119
to do that because I saw what happened afterwards. But

1055
01:07:55.960 --> 01:07:59.199
it's very interesting. And yeah, you can see in the

1056
01:07:59.239 --> 01:08:02.960
picture of the boat next to it, and I'm not

1057
01:08:03.000 --> 01:08:05.039
sure he might even be able to see the way

1058
01:08:05.079 --> 01:08:07.559
it were whale breaching in one of them, but that

1059
01:08:07.639 --> 01:08:10.159
was sort of further out. And that's another thing, was like,

1060
01:08:10.480 --> 01:08:14.840
was this Sasquatch and I call them people myself. I

1061
01:08:14.840 --> 01:08:19.439
think they're just a type of people. Was this scottscatch

1062
01:08:19.520 --> 01:08:24.760
person watching this whale? Was it communicating with this whale?

1063
01:08:24.760 --> 01:08:28.520
Because it seemed to be facing there, sitting there facing

1064
01:08:28.560 --> 01:08:33.600
this whale. So it was another strange thing about it.

1065
01:08:33.640 --> 01:08:36.960
But yeah, I could send you pictures of that. I

1066
01:08:36.960 --> 01:08:40.520
could say you pictures of from the gifting area and

1067
01:08:40.560 --> 01:08:42.359
the things they've left us, all that stuff.

1068
01:08:42.439 --> 01:08:45.279
Yeah, anything that you would be able to send over,

1069
01:08:45.359 --> 01:08:47.520
I'd love to take a look at it. Absolutely.

1070
01:08:47.720 --> 01:08:51.920
Yeah. Oh. Another thing that happened recently was the road

1071
01:08:52.039 --> 01:08:54.319
was shut up at the top where our normal gift

1072
01:08:54.399 --> 01:08:58.720
during area was. So we were down at this lawn

1073
01:08:58.800 --> 01:09:02.520
area that's down below, and we noticed this big spot

1074
01:09:02.560 --> 01:09:05.319
in the lawn that had been dug up and there

1075
01:09:05.359 --> 01:09:07.359
was no claw marks in this. It looked like something

1076
01:09:07.399 --> 01:09:12.399
was digging with its hands, huge three four foot wide

1077
01:09:13.239 --> 01:09:17.119
hole in this lawn that was just dug up. And

1078
01:09:17.159 --> 01:09:19.079
like I said, you couldn't see any claw marks. Like

1079
01:09:19.119 --> 01:09:21.079
it wasn't a you think of it as a bear,

1080
01:09:21.159 --> 01:09:24.760
you could be able to see that. So we were

1081
01:09:24.760 --> 01:09:29.439
walking up away from it and on this trail it

1082
01:09:29.479 --> 01:09:32.800
was real muddy. It was right after the storms. We

1083
01:09:32.840 --> 01:09:36.560
saw a single print. I'm a size twelve and it

1084
01:09:36.600 --> 01:09:41.880
was probably two inches longer than my foot. No tread

1085
01:09:41.960 --> 01:09:44.399
from a shoe. You could kind of see toes in it,

1086
01:09:45.359 --> 01:09:48.119
and it was walking away from that area. And then

1087
01:09:48.159 --> 01:09:53.840
another fifteen or twenty feet there. Thrown aside on this

1088
01:09:53.960 --> 01:09:58.319
trail was a mole that had been split in half

1089
01:09:59.279 --> 01:10:02.600
and looked like it scuts were sucked out and it

1090
01:10:02.680 --> 01:10:06.399
was just the body was discarded there. Oh dear, so

1091
01:10:06.479 --> 01:10:10.000
I think it was digging for that mole had itself

1092
01:10:10.000 --> 01:10:13.640
a snack as it was walking away and then suck

1093
01:10:13.680 --> 01:10:16.800
the guys unless the rest of the body down. So

1094
01:10:16.840 --> 01:10:19.399
it seemed like that was and I've seen other prints

1095
01:10:19.439 --> 01:10:22.279
down in that area too. Half a picture of those two. Wow,

1096
01:10:22.520 --> 01:10:26.319
Oh my goodness. It's an active area. It's an active area.

1097
01:10:26.439 --> 01:10:31.840
It definitely sounds like it. There's and this is a thing. Well,

1098
01:10:32.199 --> 01:10:34.520
we'll just if we can leave it, and we'll leave

1099
01:10:34.520 --> 01:10:37.520
it in. But so I know you're going by first

1100
01:10:37.560 --> 01:10:39.560
name only for this, which is great. A lot of

1101
01:10:39.560 --> 01:10:43.000
people do. I'm sure there's a few listeners that were like, man,

1102
01:10:43.039 --> 01:10:45.159
I wish I could listen to his music, which does

1103
01:10:45.199 --> 01:10:50.000
put you in an interesting situation. Yeah, is that anything

1104
01:10:50.079 --> 01:10:53.319
where you can share your music without giving away who

1105
01:10:53.359 --> 01:10:53.760
you are?

1106
01:10:54.119 --> 01:10:57.600
Or Yeah, you could go to I have a YouTube.

1107
01:10:59.000 --> 01:11:03.079
It's it's uh. Son of Snake is the name of

1108
01:11:03.119 --> 01:11:08.880
the band, so it's it's Son Underscore of Underscore Snake

1109
01:11:10.880 --> 01:11:16.479
on YouTube. And I have probably a couple of hundred

1110
01:11:17.439 --> 01:11:21.159
songs up there, you know, originally when I first started

1111
01:11:21.159 --> 01:11:22.880
recording up here, you can see it here at how

1112
01:11:22.920 --> 01:11:25.920
it's kind of rough sounding, and it's gotten better as

1113
01:11:25.920 --> 01:11:27.960
it's gone along, just because I'm learning the ropes of

1114
01:11:28.239 --> 01:11:31.199
home recording. You know. I used to all the all

1115
01:11:31.239 --> 01:11:32.800
the bands I was in before I was in a

1116
01:11:32.800 --> 01:11:35.199
band called Snag. I was in a band called Flesh Gordo,

1117
01:11:36.520 --> 01:11:39.000
a bunch of bands from the eighties, Backstab and everything.

1118
01:11:40.039 --> 01:11:42.640
Did some touring with Flesh Groardo and you're on a

1119
01:11:42.680 --> 01:11:46.079
record label. Son of Snake is what I call this

1120
01:11:46.199 --> 01:11:51.119
solo project that I'm doing, and I do it all myself. Guitar, bassed, vocals, program,

1121
01:11:51.239 --> 01:11:55.119
the drums. I don't have a drum set. But that

1122
01:11:55.359 --> 01:11:59.640
name is an ode to an ancestral grandfather of mine

1123
01:12:00.439 --> 01:12:04.880
from Dakota, from the Dakota Nation, and his he was

1124
01:12:05.600 --> 01:12:09.359
I don't know if you heard the town Wabasha, Minnesota,

1125
01:12:10.560 --> 01:12:16.439
Well that was named after my ancestral grandfather's son, that

1126
01:12:16.520 --> 01:12:21.479
was Wabasha, the second my ancestral grandfather was well Wabasha

1127
01:12:21.560 --> 01:12:25.800
the first, but his name given to him from the

1128
01:12:25.880 --> 01:12:28.800
Chippewa tribe at the time that was in that upper

1129
01:12:28.840 --> 01:12:33.199
part of the Minnesota, the uh Mississippi River up there

1130
01:12:35.039 --> 01:12:40.560
was uh well the Sioux name, but what they call

1131
01:12:40.600 --> 01:12:43.680
the Sioux that's actually a Chippewa name, a Jibblin name

1132
01:12:44.079 --> 01:12:47.199
of snakes in the grass, and that was given to

1133
01:12:48.600 --> 01:12:50.720
the Lakota tribe because of the way they were attacked.

1134
01:12:50.800 --> 01:12:54.760
They called him snakes in the grass up there. There

1135
01:12:54.800 --> 01:12:57.279
was a short time when the Chippewa tribe and the

1136
01:12:57.359 --> 01:13:00.399
Dakota tribe were inner marrying and there was about seventy

1137
01:13:00.479 --> 01:13:03.119
years of peace. And that's where that's why I have

1138
01:13:03.199 --> 01:13:07.239
both blooded me Dakota and Chippewa. But his name was

1139
01:13:07.760 --> 01:13:10.760
his other name, you know, they have multiple names, and

1140
01:13:10.760 --> 01:13:13.560
one of them was at Dee Panko am Diishka which

1141
01:13:13.600 --> 01:13:19.039
is great father of snakes. And he was chief, you know.

1142
01:13:19.479 --> 01:13:22.640
And so there was chiefs on both the Dakota side

1143
01:13:22.640 --> 01:13:26.399
and the Chipwa side and country clan woman from the

1144
01:13:26.479 --> 01:13:30.000
Chipwa side, which was another one of my ancestral grandmothers,

1145
01:13:30.119 --> 01:13:34.880
was uten Oasis, very well known last country clan woman

1146
01:13:34.920 --> 01:13:39.680
of the Pembina Chippewa nation. She was a spiritual leader,

1147
01:13:39.840 --> 01:13:43.520
you know, and very gifted, and that's kind of where

1148
01:13:43.560 --> 01:13:45.800
that comes from on that side of the family. But

1149
01:13:45.920 --> 01:13:47.800
Son of Snake was a sort of an ode to

1150
01:13:48.640 --> 01:13:49.960
Great Father of Snakes.

1151
01:13:50.439 --> 01:13:51.159
That is so cool.

1152
01:13:51.159 --> 01:13:52.279
I love that.

1153
01:13:52.640 --> 01:13:55.880
What was the what's the is the video on that

1154
01:13:56.079 --> 01:13:59.560
channel where you had the music video and then it

1155
01:13:59.600 --> 01:14:00.199
captured that.

1156
01:14:02.760 --> 01:14:04.680
Yeah, you'll have to go back a little bit. It's

1157
01:14:04.720 --> 01:14:06.920
like the newer songs are kind of going back to

1158
01:14:06.960 --> 01:14:11.039
my hardcore punk roots. But about a year or two

1159
01:14:11.039 --> 01:14:13.600
ago I was kind of doing more punk and roll

1160
01:14:13.720 --> 01:14:18.239
stuff with indigenous mixing. And this song was called pulse pace,

1161
01:14:20.319 --> 01:14:22.800
like as in the pulse of the of the earth,

1162
01:14:22.960 --> 01:14:24.760
and that's what the drum beat is supposed to represent,

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the pulse of the earth drum, you know, the heart

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the other earth. Absolutely, so that song is called pulse Pace.

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And if you watch it to the very end, you

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can see that spot where you'll you'll probably have to

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wear headphones because you know, it was recorded on a phone,

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so it doesn't do justice to what we heard with

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our ears, but you can hear it. It's basically I'm

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01:14:50.279 --> 01:14:52.760
The song kind of ends that I'm smudging over this

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01:14:53.399 --> 01:14:56.319
mushroom and I have this tattoo on my thumb and

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it's right when my wife says, I can see your

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01:14:58.920 --> 01:15:02.479
fishook tattoo on your right when she says that, there's

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a call that goes well in the background, and you

1175
01:15:07.800 --> 01:15:10.159
have to probably where headphones are turning it way up,

1176
01:15:10.479 --> 01:15:12.039
you can hear it on there. I left that on

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there as an easter egg. Didn't really kill anybody, you know,

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But I guess now.

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People will know that's awesome. Yeah, I can't wait to

1180
01:15:19.279 --> 01:15:22.119
check it out. I'm sure I recommend everyone else go

1181
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check it out too. But Chris has been such a

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01:15:24.880 --> 01:15:27.840
fascinating conversation with you. I mean, being able to listen

1183
01:15:27.880 --> 01:15:31.680
to everything you've experienced and that you're continuing to experience.

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And thank you so much for taking the time to

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01:15:34.159 --> 01:15:37.479
come on the show and to share what you've experienced.

1186
01:15:37.479 --> 01:15:39.600
It's extremely insightful.

1187
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Well, I appreciate you having me on, and it was

1188
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good to get these things off my chest. And I

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think it was time and it's necessary. I think that

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if people are having these experiences, they shouldn't be talking

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01:15:51.720 --> 01:15:54.920
about them at this point. The world needs it. I

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01:15:55.039 --> 01:15:55.680
need some healing.

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Thanks for listening to Big for Society and also special

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01:15:58.319 --> 01:16:02.960
thanks to Chris from the West Coast of Oregon, whose

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episode really takes us through an incredible spiritual journey. If

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you've had a big Foot encounter yourself you'd like to share,

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now is a time you can reach out to me

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01:16:11.279 --> 01:16:13.880
through the email Big for Society at gmail dot com.

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I'd love to talk to you, and also, if you

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have a minute, please rate the show a five star

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01:16:18.720 --> 01:16:22.760
positive review on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, wherever you're listening. Please

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01:16:22.880 --> 01:16:25.560
share this episode or your favorite episode with a friend,

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as that's what really helps grow the show. And thanks

1204
01:16:28.800 --> 01:16:31.279
again for being part of the Big for Society. Until

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next time, keep your eyes open, trust your gut, and

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never stop asking what else might be out there? And

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see you in the woods.