The Turkey Hunter vs. The Bigfoot! | Missouri

0:00 You're listening to BIGFA Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron. In this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to bring you first hand encounters from people who say they've seen something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers to quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere, and each one leaves us with more questions than answers. These are the voices of the people who've lived it. To settle in, because today you'll hear another account that just might change the way you see the woods forever. So stay with us, all right, Pig the Society If you get the privilege of talking to AP today. AP is a outdoorsman hunter from down there in Missouri and we're going to be talking about the area of the Robi Missouri today. But welcome to the show.

0:45 AP. How are you doing today, sir? Good sir? How are you doing great? Is there anything else that the listeners might need to know about you before we start heading right into what you experienced there? Just basically a simple background. I grew up in the northeast on the border of New York and Pennsylvania. Pretty much was indoctrinated into the woods. Because of where we lived in the eighties and nineties, I was probably the definition of a free range parenting plan, and my parents has cut me loose during the days when I didn't have school and whatnot, so most of my free time was always spent in the woods.

1:27 My family. All my family hunted and. Fished, and from a very early age, I was brought up in the woods. And big thing about that was is at the early age I was taught woodsmanship and how the land lays out, how to do certain tasks inside the woods, and then eventually it progressed into me being able to. Go out on my own and hunt and do those things. And the woodsmanship is definitely a huge factor, and if you're going to eat or not that winter with the game that you harvest and everything. As a kid, I spent when I was off from school, I would spend all my summer in the woods, just monkeying around.

2:08 And in the morning you would go out and you'd fill up. A gallon milk jug full of water and you would just drop down into a crick bottom and you just go from there and wherever you popped out during the day, you'd find yourself a road and take it back home. And after that I grew up up there, and. Probably in the late nineties, I decided to join the military and got into the Military Police Corps in the late nineties and had the privilege, I guess you could say privilege just depends on who you talk to, of being stationed at Fort leonard Wood there right off the bat, and I immediately fell in love with the area outside the back gate of Fort leonard Wood, which at the time we didn't have cell phones or anything, but it was enormous for government land for the Mark Twain National Forests.

3:00 So everywhere you pretty much went outside that southgate it was all Mark Twain National Forests. And I've made it a point to myself, I said, if I make this a career, this is where I want to retire because this is just such a unique area and everything. It's a sportsman's delight just to be able to go out your back door and within two or three minutes you're in forest, private or public land. So it was pretty awesome. But I spent most of my time in the MP Corps. I was a patrolman, worked my way up into investigations things of that nature and stuff so I've seen a lot of interesting things throughout my twenty plus year career, and right there about time of it was a little bit after COVID, probably a few years after COVID, I decided to hang it up and was fortunate enough to get the Army to send me back to Fort Leonard Wood to spend the rest of my time in the Army and get to retire and stuff like that. But after that, to ended up starting a little business and pretty well known and everything in the area and stuff, and it's centered around turkey hunting because it was the only thing that I absolutely thought was a challenge growing up as a kid, was turkey hunting.

4:15 And I made. My bread and butter doing that and learned everything I could about turkey's biology, you name it, and the vocalizations and whatnot. So I'm pretty well versed in the turkey hunting community. I spent a lot of time gear hunting and things like that, but nothing really got my gears going such as turkey hunting and stuff. Yeah, that's a little bit about my background there. Which I think it's important to hear all that, because not only do you know everything that should be in those woods, but you also have the background of investigation from your time in the military, so you've got an eye for detail when something's out of place, and so it it'll be very interesting to see how that all plays in. But AP feel free to take us when back to when you first started noticing things were a little out of place in your experiences in this area.

5:16 And just to take you back off of what you were saying, Jeremiah, the investigations and just being a police officer, your BS meter is always is on high and everything when someone tells you anything. So to preface this, I'm going to say that I. Am a healthy was a healthy skeptic, and later on I'll tell you what kind of started change in my mind about this. I'm very level headed and I don't rattle easy at all. Like I've been to war zones throughout my twenty plus years in the military. I spent probably five or six of those years deployed into a rat so I've seen a lot of things, a lot of combat, and I just coming back to the the normal rigors of day to day, like the troubles and everything.

6:05 It's hard to rattle me over things and stuff. So I discount a lot of things as now, I just chalk it up to happen stance or coincidence and stuff like that. But the details I'm a barrier to give you. I just want to say that I don't I'm going to give you the facts to. The listeners, and I'm not going to season the details to make them any more interesting or palatable or get anybody hyped up. I'm just going to tell you what happened, and everybody can make their own decision off of that. So this kind of started and took place and got going in the spring. Of twenty eighteen. Like I said, I'm well known. In the area for actually being a turkey hunter and stuff, so I have a lot of.

6:49 Friends in the area. It's a small community. So there's probably maybe you'd be hard pressed to count a thousand people in the general area between Roby Eating Shade where I live in the Plato areas, so it's maybe a thousand plus people that live in that general area and stuff. Now, where I live and where this is all. Going to take places in between two what you would call river systems. So you have the Ruby Do River that sits more over there to the northwest of Texas County and then you have the big Piney River that comes through there, and it's all jutting through the Mark Twain National Forest. Stuff out of the Houston Licking area, out of Texas County. It started in twenty eighteen.

7:31 So a cattle rancher buddy of mine who I do a lot of thermal and depredation stuff for him during cattle seas edder calving season. He has a business too. And I happen to see him and he's, oh, hey, I just picked up this new farm and everything on a lease. I don't have it for very long. I only got it for a two year span. But there's some turkeys in there. He throws me the keys to the gate and he's have at it. Just go up there and see what you can do. Because he was a turkey hunter as well, and he had already tried in there, and he's like, the are some tough turkeys, and he was just gladly threw me a copy of the Key to the Front Gates music for whatever you want, and just have at it. So I went up there probably the same day. I was pretty excited. I was like a pig sea and mud for the first time. I was like, boy, I got a whole farm all to myself.

8:22 So to give you a lay of the land, this farm that I'm. Going to talk about is probably about three miles west by northwest of Roebe, Missouri, just off a highway thirty two. The locals call it by a totally different name in everything, but I'm not going to give too much away because it's actually one of my favorite spots still to this day. But I went up there and unlocked the gate, got in there, and my first impressions is just it's something. It felt desolate, like it was lacking like life, and it was just an eerier feeling. If I was to put a pin on it, I just felt a little kind of uneasy. But I shoked it up till this is new land. We've got to learn it and stuff.

9:09 Maybe you're just over excited and whatnot. So I got this uneasy feel. It wouldn't really say it was uneasy, but do you know when you're in someplace new and you're just like, man, this is sun just doesn't it's not jiving with me right now? And stuff. I went through that whole turkey season on that farm, and outside of that first initial day or two and stuff, I was actually pretty successful on it, and I was like, as long as he keeps us farm, I'm going to just keep using it. Now the farm is connected. It's about a two hundred and fifty acre farm, and it's all surrounded pretty much by Mark Twain National Forest. There's a White Chat government road that runs into the farm, and that's how you get to it.

9:53 If you're not really local or you haven't been there from out of state. And actually Turkey hunted the air area for a period of time, you really wouldn't know that this little patch exists up there in that corner and stuff. So I was pretty successful that twenty eighteen season. Didn't have any issues or anything that I can remember off the top of my head that really happened to me, other than the fact that those first initial days were kind of like they're not I wouldn't say unsettling, but they just put me a little bit on edge and stuff. We go into the twenty nineteen spring season and Missouri usually opens up like I think it's the I can't remember was sixteen seventeenth or eighteenth that year, but they opened up right about that time. So I was still in the military, so how I worked. It is like for turkey season, I would always take block out, try to use like at least two weeks to three weeks a leave in that time frame so I could dedicate it all to turkey anic. So that opening morning of the spring twenty nineteen season, I go back up to that same farm. I open the gate and I pull into the down the farm road into this little pasture area that has an RB I would say it was.

11:13 I'd say it is. Probably built in the nineteen forties old style farmhouse. It was dilapidated. So I faced my front towards that farmhouse. And this was probably about four o'clock in the morning. Because the first day a turkey season, if you're a turkey hunter, you're always amped up and getting ready to for the first day of season, what it's gonna bring for you and everything. So I pull in there, turn off my headlights, and I turn it off the truck, and I just I go to doing what everybody does is eating breakfast and drinking too much coffee. That's probably you're gonna regret, probably like thirty or forty five minutes later, I'm sitting there shoving little Debbie cakes in my face.

11:55 Trying to get some energy in everything for what I'm going to have for the day. And there's no light. And I remember it the moon was out, but it was really it was cloudy that morning and everything. So I'm sitting there facing this farmhouse and there's no light in the truck. There's no real ambient light except for the moon. And I'm sitting there and all of a sudden, I start seeing what appears to be in a lantern light that exits this farmhouse, this dilapidated farmhouse. It's almost I guess you would call it what people refer to as orbs. And it looks like a lantern light. And it's just steady moving on a single plane across from me.

12:40 And I'm only about twenty five to thirty yards away, and this thing's the size of a basketball, but it looks the intensity of what a lantern light would be. So I immediately started like looking. I'm like, is that a reflection from headlight coming into the gate, because you always have to think that you might get a trus passer, or there's gonna be people hunting the government land and stuff that might be. Just I'm looking around, I was like, it's four o'clock in the morning, somebody else has got to be out here and everything. So I keep looking at it and I'm just like, no, that's that's like literally twenty five yards in front of my face. So I had my window down that morning, so I hang my head out the window kind of looking like ace Ventura, and I'm watching this. It didn't go away because I thought it was something that was having to do with my window, the front window shield of the car. So I hang my head out and I'm looking at it still there, and I was like, what in God's name is that?

13:39 And I just choked it up and didn't really rattle me. I just thought it was interesting. I've heard of people seeing ball righting before, and you always get like people that say swamp gas or whatever. I'm up on a high point. I've never seen swamp gas up there usually, and there's no swap around, there's no running water around it all. So that's what kicked off the opening morning of Turkey season for me in twenty nineteen. Now fast forward two weeks later, because I run a business and I had a bunch of people that had bought a lot of stuff from me that year, and I always offer and open up my house that I had there an evening shade to some clients that purchase from me and stuff throughout the year, Hey, come on in, I'll take you on a turkey hunt or whatever up here in the mark Twain. But you don't have to pay anything, no lodging or anything like that. So they glad these two guys, they gladly, they gladly came.

14:38 And I was like, since there's two of us. My wife, who is actually active duty military still to this day, she's a field grade officer out of West Point. She's probably more i would say, more fact oriented in reality and stuff like that than I am. She's always got that little s optical. She always calls me on things when I get to outlandish or whatever. And she's pretty love She's very level headed and everything. So I told her, I was like, hey, since you're on vacation too, you can help me this morning. We'll split up and we'll go up to the old farm up there on top. And she gladly said yeah, because she turkey hunts and fishes, she grew up doing it just like the same way I pretty much did.

15:26 And so we're all standing up there and I didn't want to take these guys into the farm, so we decided, Okay, we're going to go up there and we'll park our vehicles. I would say it's about. A half mile down the road, and we'll walk towards the front gate of the farm down this white Chat road that leads to it, so we're facing we get on this road, it's probably I would say it's probably about five thirty five forty five ish, And none of us are loaded because you're standing on a road. So i'd always tell people like, hey, if we're standing up on the road, making sure the guns are unloaded. If we get on something, we'll step into the woods, load up there, and we'll go from there and everything. So that's how I run it and everything. So we're all standing up there on this white Chat road, we're probably about one hundred yards from the front gate of the farm, and we're all facing back to the north. And how this lays out is that the turkeys will roost over this little lip in everything that's probably.

16:31 About one hundred yards thrown the edge of this white Chat road. And if you've ever hunted turkey before, you always want to keep the mentality of always stay on top of the turkey in the morning and hunt your way downhill and everything. It's very hard to call a turkey downhill to you because of the biology of it, but it can be done. But I've always had the best luck to start and higher in the morning and then working my way down to them. And so we're all standing up there, facing back to the north, and the woods are just you're in that when it's just starting to break. You're not completely it's not completely light, but it's still dark where you can just make out a.

17:12 Person and stuff. So we're all standing there. I've got two the two gentlemen to my left, and I've got my wife who's standing probably about five or six foot from me on my right, and we're just standing there and we're listening to see what you know, is going to happen. Usually when the. Woods start waking up, as as the birds start chirping, about five or ten minutes after that, the first turkey gobbles. So we're standing there and out of the blue, the bird the birds are going now, so there's birds songbirds chirping and everything, so out of the blue, it's just I can't I couldn't really put a finger on it, but I could make out the words over that lip.

17:57 I hear it's almost like broken English, but it's very deep and has this I would say, it's a gargly roll to it and everything, and it sounded like WHOA you're doing? And I was just like, and when this happened, Jeremiah, I'm probably one hundred yards from that lip. The noise that came off of that whatever that was over that lip, when. It said what it was saying, it literally hit me in the chest. You could feel the vibration from what it was almost instantly hit you. And it was like, holy crap. And if you've ever hunted turkeys before, I can compare it to like when you get a gobbler that comes in and he's getting probably within ten to fifteen yards and he gobbles. You can feel that thump hit you in the chest, and you can if you're sitting on the ground, you can actually feel it in your legs, just the base of it. This thing had some ungodly base to it. And I'm standing there when this hit me, like, I watched the two guys off to my left take a step back. And I don't have a gun because I had already punched a tag that year, and my wife has a gun and these two guys have a gun.

19:13 So when that happened, all of a sudden, they cave in on me and they're like, what was that? And I just stood there and I'm not shaken by it at all. I'm just like, now I'm perplexed. I was like, in thirty three years in the woods, I don't use flashlights, I don't do. Anything like that. But for the first time in almost thirty three years, I pulled out a flashlight and started shining it. And they weren't worried about what the flashlight was looking at. They were in my ear, like what was that? And I was like, I don't know. I just I gave him the fact based the answered I don't know, it's the truth. And they're like, we're not moving nowhere until the sun's up and we can see everything. And the woods were at that point, the woods went completely silent. There was no songbirds singing in no Turkey's goblin. It was completely dead, in a graveyard dead.

20:14 So we stood there and I looked at my wife and she just looked at me and she says, did you hear that? And I was like, yeah, I felt it. I felt it. It rumbled my chest. And so these guys are still standing there, and I wasn't too shaken by it, but these guys, they were pretty taken back by. They're like, we're not moving until it's good broad daylight out. That was something really weird. So something I will tell you from that morning which struck me as pretty odd. And again, if you've turkey hunted long enough. You'll know that turkeys usually don't fly down unless they can see what's on the ground in the morning, or they know where the hens are, or typically if they stay up in the tree for past what.

21:05 We would call fly down time. Typically, coyotes are notorious for keeping turkeys in the tree. Predators are notorious for keeping turkeys in the tree. We ended up hearing a turkey gobble about I would say it is about four hundred and five hundred meters back up this lip, going more towards, I would say, to east. So I made my way back up there and we all set up. I got these two guys set up on the turkey, and I'm sitting there looking and he gobbled again, and It's like, where the heck is this turkey at it is like nine to fifteen in the morning and stuff, and that was my first gobble, and I'm like looking around and I'm like, I'm trying to put a pin on him where he's at. And I look over about eighty yards and this tom is still in the tree. It's nine fifteen, which is not really absurd, but it was a bluebird clear day. If the sun was shining. There's no reason why this turkey is generally up in the tree. They do weird things, but I'm like, this part is still up in this tree. And then I look over about another fifty yards back over to the west and I can see all the hens up there still, and I'm like, now that's super weird.

22:13 I was like, usually the hens are the first ones down in the morning and stuff. So I was like, maybe there's coyotes that kept them up there this long. It definitely wasn't for the weather, because. A lot of times on foggy mornings you'll see that they'll hang up in the trees a lot later and stuff. So that was something that was really peculiar to me. That kind of it raised a red flag. I was like, maybe there's coyotes running through over and here this morning, or something that kept them up in everything, but it just after that, I just put it in the back of my mind. I really didn't think much of it in everything. Like I said, I'm a healthy skeptic. I was always in the camp of there's always a rational explanation for everything, and as a law enforcement officer, I always used Okham's razor for pretty much everything. And I looked at it and I was like, what's the most probable thing that happened on that ridge yesterday? Maybe it was a bear, But then again, I was like, I've heard bears before, and bears don't when they gargle like that.

23:14 And if they gargle or make any noise, it usually doesn't feel like someone's hitting in the chest with a frying pan and stuff. You don't get that basy tone like that and stuff. I was like, it's just weird. And then I got to thinking about it. I was like, that lip has like almost a ten foot drop to it. If there was something standing under that lip, it would have had to been taller than that lip to get that vocalization to just throw that way like that and cause that base that really hit us like that I was like, maybe it was standing on top of the lip. I don't know, but that was that first strange incident that happened in there, and I was just like, wow, it's just something me being in that you know, healthy skeptic camp.

23:59 I was like, I had a rational explanation for it. So I just threw it in the closet and really didn't go back and revisit it at all. But I'm going to fast forward a little bit. Made it through the rest of the Turkey season, and now I'm not what you would call a bigfoot enthusiast or anything like that. I haven't really studied much anything, so you know, as far as seeing any other sign or anything in the area that I've heard on your podcast before, I really wasn't looking for it. Now I will, but I really never investigated any further into these things or looked it into seeing if I could find. Any tracks or footprints or anything like that.

24:40 I just wrote the whole incident off and threw it in the back of my head. But then they're going to fast forward into the end of Missouri's gun season in twenty nineteen, and the rifle season was over, and my wife is a huge bowhunter, and she loves to bowhunt. She really liked that farm and whatnot, so she wanted to go back up there. There was a good spot that she wanted to set up on. The wind was right and everything, so she kind of she went by herself because at that time of the year, I'm really busy with my business and whatnot. So I was like, you go have fun.

25:20 So she left in the early morning, went up there and got in stand, and it was probably about I would say it was probably about two o'clock in the afternoon. I get a text message that and it reads, Hey, I need you to come up here and pick me up right now. I was thinking to myself, lady, you drove your truck up there. I was like, is there's something wrong with the truck. She says, no, you need to come up here to the farm and get me out of this tree stand. It's like, are you okay? She's like yes. So I didn't ask any other questions other than the fact that hey, are you okay this and that? Are you in any trouble? No, I'm not in any trouble. So I get there. I'm thinking she's gonna surprise me.

26:01 She shot this one buck that we had seen up there a month earlier. So I get up there and I walk down to where I know she's at, and I'm looking around and I see her up in the tree and she comes down out of it. She's coming down out of the tree, and I'm like, what's going on. She's like, listen, She's like, for the last hour and a half, I've been hearing things bang against trees, like it sounds like a shotgun going off, like it's just hitting trees. And I can hear what sounds like Indian drums in flutes, like a fight playing and stuff. And I was like, here, you've got to be kidding me. Like I said, she's more level headed than I am, and she's more into the fax and probably I would say, probably a little bit more healthy of a skeptic than I am. And to see her jarred and rattled like that, it was like, that's interesting. I was like, first we got the Now all these two incidences are that I'm had over the last year and a half.

27:02 I'm like, they're piecing, they're piecing together. I'm like, first, I got this ball of light that's coming out of the farmhouse up there. Then I got this unexplained like grumble in everything that's shooting back at me, feeling like I get hit in the chest with a frying pan. And then I've got my wife saying that she's hearing things banging against the tree really loud, and hearing drums and flutes. And there was no win that day. It was probably the least breezy day of that late season. There was some wind, but not enough to like really chalk it up to the wind going through the trees and everything. That was the run of those three incidences on that farm.

27:43 Now, how fast forward to. Twenty twenty and I'm on Google, so my business is on Google and everything. So if you ever come into the Mark Twain Forrest and you're turkey hunting, you'd probably be able to find my business on Google and stuff. So I had these gentlemen that were from out of state in the twenty twenty turkey season. They stopped into the shop one day and my truck sits right out front, so's it's not really hard to you can peg me out in the national forest. So hey, that's in. I know who that is. They're hunting there. These two or three I think it was three gentlemen come into the shop. They're from out of state and they're like, hey, we'd like to get something this and that.

28:26 So I was like, oh, yeah, no problem. They were like, hey, you're the guy that hunts up there. I don't want to name the road, but on such and such road, and I was. Like, yeah, how did you know that? I was like, I hunt that far and I have my friend Lisa, is it and stuff back there in the corner and everything. They're like, yeah, we've seen your truck park down there at the end quite a few times. And they brought up some stuff like turkey hunting really and they're like, yeah, we're not hunting that place ever again. You can have it. And I was like I kind of peaked my curiosity and I was like, why aren't you guys going to hunt it? It was still really good and anything, and they're like, we were down there hunting and this was just that week of turkey season that they were there, and they were like, we were down there hunting, and whoever was hunting up there, we thought it was you was throwing rocks down at us down the hill.

29:20 We couldn't see anything. We just figured it was another turkey hunter that was local that was trying to get us out of there and everything, and I just looked at him and I was like, they. Were throwing rocks at you. And so it was really interesting. It keeps my curiosity. I was like, so now I got that, and now I've got the three incidents is coming back to me and I'm like, that's super strange. Again. Time passes and we get into twenty twenty five, and it didn't have any more incidences up there after that because I writ that place off again to say the lease and my buddy didn't keep the lease after twenty twenty, I believe, so I really didn't have a use for it.

30:04 But it still was a really good. Hunting area to hunt turkey, and at least good habitat in good mix September and everything that turkeys would like. But I was sitting and this is how I found you, and this all came to fruition is I had written all that stuff off, and I watch a lot of turkey hunting episodes and everything, and it was kind of like all the stars aligned at once, and I seen this one episode that popped up and I don't think it was from you. Jeremiah but I'm a faithful listener to you. But this is kind of what got me back down on this road of what the heck was all that stuff combined, but it showed Turkey Hunter has encountered with sasquatch in Rode Missouri. I'm thinking to myself, get the heck out of here. So, being inquisitive, I pull that stuff up and I start watching and I know the guy.

31:01 I literally know who this guy is. I see him pretty frequently, and I'm like, this dude has never said a word about this, and he's given a pull on interview and I know the location by heart. I could take you right to it that this happened. And I'm like looking at it and I was like, that's up on that road and I know exactly where that is. So you know how the YouTube algorithm works. One time you watch one bigfoot thing, the algorithm starts coming. Up with all these other bigfoot things. And just so happened the stars aligned. My wife had taken vacation to go see some family and marry and what the heck time was has probably juneish, maybe July. And she comes back to the house after this vacation and she says, Hey, I just got done at this Bigfoot festival and she's looking at my algorithm.

31:55 She's like, I went to this Bigfoot festival and Marian and this is what I thought. And I was like, that's all you know, pullug washed and this and that. She's like, oh, really is it? And she brought up the incidences from back up there on the road during the twenty nineteen Spring Turkey seeing. She's like, do you know what that was? And I was like I don't, and she's. Everything that I was hearing at this Bigfoot festival kind of lines up with that. So I was like, being a healthy skeptic, I was like, let me, I'm not. I'm very open minded to other people's thoughts and opinions and maybe even facts for that matter. You can't dispute the facts. So I was like, I need to go find something that changes me from being a healthy skeptic into okay, there might be some credence to this and everything. And the first thing that I roll up upon, I think I typed into YouTube like Holy Grail of Bigfoot or whatever, and the Patterson what is that Patterson Gimlet video pops up and I think it's the guy's name was MK Davis, and he was doing the breakdown analysis of all this and he was getting close ups and everything, and I, as a police officer, we actually get trained. We do courses and gate analysis and everything. So I'm watching this and I was like, holy crap. I was like, that skin is moving with that bigfoot walking.

33:21 You can see the striations and muscle and skin and everything. And I'm like, I was like, that's pretty profound evidence. I was like, okay. I was like, the next thing I pull, I pull up and I think it was right underneath that was it was a from the Sierra Mountains. Maybe you can help me out with this. It happened in the seventies and I want to say it was geez, they called it Sierra Sounds or something like that. Exactly. Oh dude. I got about thirty seconds into that and I about fell over in my chair. I was like, holy crap. I was like, that's exactly what came over that whip in the morning. And it sounded like English.

34:03 But it was it sounded like I could say, it sounded like language, and it sounded like, hey, what are you doing. That was exactly about thirty seconds into that kind of really tip the point over into Okay, there's something to this, And then I started down this I wouldn't even call a rabbit hole because now I've got some pretty unrefutable proof that's not doctored. It's very hard when you see the older stuff, like they didn't have the technology that we have now. So I'm like, okay, there's some pretty good evidence right here, so let me keep going. And I come up to I start doing Google searches and stuff I want to hear from police officers because to me, hearing from other police officers is I'm like, Okay, I know the mindset, I know the mentality and stuff because I was a cop for twenty years, and I'm like, I know where their heads are at, so let me hear something. So all of a sudden, these nine to one one calls start coming up, and it's a guy that got his dog thrown over the backyard trees a day earlier. And from listening and being trained to listen to nine to one one calls, we deal with it in training and stuff, this guy was no bs. You could hear the change of inflections and seriousness in this guy's voice. I was like, okay, I was like, so this, there's something to this. I'm no longer really skeptical on this. I'm like, now I'm in

35:35 the camp of what can we find or what can we do to get better evidence out there in this day and age in an environment that's polluted with AI and everything, because everything you kind of see nowadays is just AI because AI is really good, and you've got to be like an AI expert to like really look at stuff and be like, well that's bs, what's gospel and what's gorilla poo? Right now? That's like how I ended up finding you is throughout, Like I'm researching this, So if I had to give a percentage of like where I was when this all started, I was probably sitting in the five percent range of yeah, Bigfoot might exist, whatever stranger things have happened and everything like that. Now I sit in the camp of it's eighty five to ninety percent, like this this is something that is definitely real, but I don't know what it is.

36:30 And like I've had philosophies on a lot of this stuff since I got into that, and my wife kicked me upside the head and said, hey, you might want to slow it back and not be so dismissive of this stuff and everything. So I've done my own research and kind of had some philosophies on what it might be and stuff. But yeah, that's about it and the end of all that crazy little string of events. Wow, ap journey that you went on since twenty eighteen, right, that's incredible. Yeah, oh wow. Yeah, I'm I'm pretty sure there's probably people out there with better occurrences and everything, but it just I thought it was very interesting and it happened in an area after doing the research where people are having I wouldn't say a crazy amount of sightings, but there's incidences in their recent incidences and stuff.

37:29 Oh okay, So that's actually I'm going to ask you that. That's something I'm going to ask later. But a few little questions I want to ask first. So you saw the orbs or you said it was like the lantern type orb. Do you remember what color that was it? It looked like a reddish white, Okay, almost it would almost fluctuate between like like a yellowy white like it almost looked like it almost turned pink at one point, but it kept on one single plane. There was no balancing to it. There was no it didn't rise, and this kind. Of kept on a single plane, and I would. Say the speed of it moving was probably about the speed of an average person, the speed an average person would walk.

38:18 That's really interesting. Also the way that you described when the sound hit you. I've never heard it described like that before. It's very interesting. So it literally felt like a frying pan hitting you in the chest. It was like a frying pan hits you in the extra vibrations after you get jarred with it. It feels like somebody like beat you right in the test with a frying pan. That's how it felt like. The area over the top of my chest I could was the shape of a large frying pan would have been hit against you, and you're like, oh, that really rattled.

38:58 You could feel it deep in your bones when that bass hits you from that voice. And it's just very interesting. How long did that feeling last for after you got the initial hit. Oh, I'd say it was gone probably instantaneously. It was. It was as soon as it hit. It was almost like the vibration from the voice was deep and it was intense that it just felt like I don't how to really describe it any other way than it felt like something really solid hitting you with bass, Like if you're standing too close to a speaker at a concert. That's what it felt like, when you can feel that fump pitch you in the chest.

39:41 Oh. Absolutely, And it sounded very similar to the Sierra Sounds correct as well. Yeah, Like after I started doing the research and that came up in that search that I did, I was like, that is almost exactly the tone and inflection that I got off of that over there, off of the limb. That morning, I was and I played it for my wife and she was like, that's crazy, that's crazy. And I was like, I've been in the woods for thirty plus years. I was like, have you ever heard anything like that? And she's no. I was like, neither of Bye, and it ain't ols. Absolutely, even though you didn't have you didn't have a sighting in that area, there's enough info to go off of that. Man, there's something going off. There's something going on at that farm for sure. That is outside the realm of regular animals in that area. It's not turkeys, I would definitely say that it's not turkey.

40:40 Yeah, it's very weird and there was we Actually at first I thought it might be irrational and using Opcom's razor, I was like, I wonder if it's a cow or whatever that might have got out or anything. And then I realized the air in my ways. I was like, there's no stinking cows on here. Yet they pull them off during a certain point of year off of certain areas and they rotate in and out of certain farms, and I was like, I haven't seen a cow up here since the beginning of turkey season. I was like, there, it can't be a cow. Now, remind me. Did you ever have a conversation with your buddy that actually leased the farm about what was going on?

41:23 No, because, like I said, like after those certain like I was like, you know what, he's never gonna the next time he leases a farm. He's never gonna give me the keys like he did before. He's a pretty straight shooting old timer in everything. And if you say something to him like that, you're like, oh, he's on the saucer, he's on the dope. Or something like that. So I kept it to myself and I was like, no, I'm not gonna say anything. Sure, no, I can get it. Yeah, that's definitely that. It's a tricky one, because it's like, you don't want to heart the. Yeah, And my philosophy was like, there's something really going on up there, you know, as soon as he starts putting cattle back in there or something, we're gonna know.

42:05 Well no, oh, yeah, that's true. Bill. End up, they'll end up. Yeah, they'll end up missing or worse. Do you happen to know the actual owner of the property. Is that a conversation that you ever were able to have? The owner got old? I would say probably in the around twenty fifteen sixteen, and they moved away, and they ended up passing away. Okay, so this is making even more sense. And this is two hundred and fifty acres. You said, right, it's a pretty big place. Yeah, it's two hundred and fifty acres. And to get to it, there's only one way in on a road. Now, if I was.

42:45 To walk out my back door from my house, it would take me almost less time to get to it. I would just have to go up the road about a mile and a. Half instead of going six miles around to get to the front gate. I could just walk through the woods and get to the backside of this thing within driving a mile and take me fifteen minutes to walk through the woods and get to it. So it's less distance per se from where I live than the drive it takes. To get there. Yeah, so you look at it in a certain way, and I'm pretty convinced by what you told me that there's got to be a bigfoot there. But you know, you have an area, a massive area where there's really not people on it all the time, and it's been like that for years, and then they have hunters show up out of nowhere. It makes sense that they might not be the biggest fans of you guys coming on and restly with their food source where they're not seeing people for years and years potentially.

43:43 And here's another thing too, Jeremiah, that I try to explain this like rationally and everything. So like around the Mark Plain National Forest, they do timber sales all the time, and you're it gets to say the timber area is change so drastically from year to year, Like one year there could be a great stand of pines that's probably about seventy to eighty acres, and then within the next year it's completely clear cut through there. And I that would change habitat and I see it a lot in my field of deer and turkey hunting and everything. Like when they go in they cut out certain areas. USDA will do these timber sales to these logging companies. They go in there, they trash these areas and they cut all the good timber out of it.

44:33 That's habitat and that's food. So why if I was. An animal and I relied on hunting to keep me alive, why would I stay in an area that doesn't produce food for me and stuff? So I need to move on to other areas. And there had been since two thousand. I can guess I got in there about two thousand and sixteen, back into the Fort Leonard Wood Post for my. Last duty station. I'd say they've been cutting timber pretty hard around that area since twenty sixteen. And that's a lot of habitat to take out of a certain area, like I would say the area between Fort Leonard Wood and where we're talking about maybe a six seven, eight nine mile radius, So they've cut a lot of timber and habitat out of there. So I would almost assume that things are moving around quite they're moving from one homestead to another in there too.

45:28 Yeah, absolutely. Since the time you and your life are starting to look more into the subject, have you guys been uncovering other incidents in the same area that you're at, Other people having encounters or sightings or anything like that. I don't really sit there and come out with it at first. And we have a little store that sits up the way from our house, and you go in there, and every once in a while. You'll catch an old timer in there talking about something that you're like, huh, that's interesting. It's like the same thing. Either they catch a glimpse of something, or they heard something that was really weird, or they heard what a bang against a tree for ten to fifteen minutes sound.

46:17 One guy said it sounded like somebody was up there with a baseball bat just whacking away at this tree for thirty minutes and stuff. So, like you hear those things and you're like, these are old timers. They've been in the woods a lot longer than I have. A lot of them are cattle ranchers and they have their own large scale properties and stuff. So it carries a little bit of weight when you hear those guys come in and they bring something up like that. So I hear it from time to time those things, but it's not as frequent as some of the people that come on your show have these a lot of events and stories like you'll hear every once in a while from that area. But I would say that the most free, the newest.

46:59 One that we have in that area is that one Turkey Hunter that had that occurrence. I think it was twenty twenty three, twenty four, and he did the interview on video and did the train walk and everything with whoever the interviewer was. I'm pretty sure it wasn't you. But it was interesting because I. Knew the area, and I know the topography in that area and everything and how the land lays out, and I'm like, if I was going to hide anywhere, that would probably be where I would hide. I bet that was that Miguel's channel. I bet that was Miguel's channel. Yeah, yeah, yeah, let's check that. Yeah yeah, yeah, that's awesome. Yeah, I think his name is Migul. I'd never I'm at first, I like I said, I'm not. I'm really just starting to investigate into this community and stuff, so I don't know the names of people or channels and stuff.

47:49 I just find stuff and evidence that is pretty pretty solid, rock solid stuff, and I go with it from there. Yeah, Sasquatch theory is definitely go to for Missouri bigfoot encounters. He is that that's his focus, but he's got some great stuff from down there. But ap, it has been a really enjoyable conversation with you finding out more about this area. I haven't talked to a lot of people from this area Missouri, but definitely keep us in the loop if you, you know, hear anything else, or even if you experience anything yourself or your wife does in the future.

48:29 Yeah. Absolutely, I appreciate you having me on. Jeremiah. Hello, this is his wife. Hello. Hi. Yeah, we have an experience out here on Clercud Road, which we're at right now. Yeah. We were driving and we were looking for bottles and stuff because there's a lot of old bottles and things that you can find out here. And I had to go to the bathroom really bad, and so I was like, pull over, babe, pull over right here, which is towards the end of Clear Creek Road. It's like really wooded, and I went down this little hill to go to the bathroom, and I started hearing this knock like it sounded like something hidden, like a two by four hitting a tree pretty much.

49:19 And I was like, what that And he's all, hey, what is that to me? And I was like, babe, I have no idea. And he's like, maybe somebody ran over something on the road over there, and I was like no, And all of a sudden, I swea the scariest. Thing I ever freaking experienced. We heard the loudest, most undescribable freaking scream like we ever heard in our life. It was long, it was drawn out, and you could just feel it like vibrating. And I ran so fast up that hill and we got in that car so fast. But I looked I didn't even know what it was.

50:01 At first. I looked for sounds of animals because I've been to Montana. I've heard bears, I've heard mountain lions, things like that, and it was nothing like that. But I went through sounds of every animal I couldn't find it. And finally I was just going scrolling through and I was like. I'll check out bigfoot. Whatever. It was almost identical the stream that I heard. It was identical. Yeah, that is absolutely bonkers. Thank you for sharing that have there been other people that I've had experiences in the same area. Yes, actually I posted it online at our local discussion chat of things that are mysterious things like that, and somebody said that they were camping out pretty close to where we were at a few years before, and they had rocks thrown at their tent, like big, huge rocks, and they were pretty freaked out. And there's been footprints too.

51:05 Oh really, how big are the footprints. From what I saw, probably like seventeen inches ye, at least at least And that was just the next road over that the guy found those footprints, and it's like an animal reserve kind of thing. Okay, but yeah, I do believe. I wasn't a believer. I did not believe in Bigfoot at all until that happened. And I have no explanation for it. It changed me because I can't go in the woods anymore like I used to. I just get so scared. I'm sorry exactly.

51:48 Yeah, Yeah, that's our story. Thank you for having up guys. Is it okay if I use this conversation? Yes, that's no problem. Mark, Thank you, guys, good luck in the future. Thank you. Hey, Paul, how's it going good? How are you good? What brings you up today? Sir? I don't know. I'm intrigued, gotcha. Did you have any sightings or encounters to share. Of the night encounters? But I live on on the mountain and act in Maine, and I'll tell you I hear some screams sometimes that make me lock my door and load my shotgun. Really, I can't say what it is, obviously, but I've got trees, oak trees that are snapped off, red oak and splintered at the top about ten feet high.

52:55 There's definitely something out. Here, goodness, And this is happening current day. And it hasn't happened for months. Usually happens early spring and late fall. Yep, yeah, dude, right on the money. Oh my goodness, this is really interesting stuff. So you've heard screams? Oh sorry, go ahead. I also in the middle of winter here knocks, tree knocks, gotcha. And do you hear those any other time of year as well?

53:36 Excuse me? Do you hear those any other time of year or just the wintertime? Usually just in the winter time, But then again, I'm generally so busy in the summertime. God, I will because I'm always doing logging because I do my own process, my own would. Okay, absolutely very interesting. I talked to a hunter that had some weird stuff happening Kiddery. He had a sighting. But I know you're further north of that if you're an actor. But that's right on the board, probably thirty miles north and twenty miles west. So I'm northwest of Kiddery, gotcha. Yep, I'm on the New Hampshire within a mile of New Hampshire. Yep. Absolutely.

54:34 Wow. It sounds like you're a guy that knows the animal sounds around your area. So it is not a It's not a thing where if you're hearing a scream, it's not like a fox or anything. This is this sounds like it's something unique. Yes, it's definitely. My brother actually has heard it. He's also heard the Knox. He generally comes up on weekends. But like last winter, we were putting it was in January or February, I can't remember, but we were putting a plow blade on my trot and while we were in the midst of doing that, he asked me, what's that knocking sound. I just smiled and laughed at him because he's a non believer. Okay, I am very much a believer. I actually have a bigfoot carpet on my wall.

55:38 Oh really, yes, it's my sister in law makes carpets and she made it for me. Okay, Oh that's cool. Paul Dean, a guy who lives in Maine, is bigfoot. Do you hear people sharing accounts of having sightings or anything or is it not? Is it a thing that's not really talked about up there? It's really not talked about. I honestly think people are afraid to talk about it. I'm not. I have a big foot hoodie that I wear all the time. Just because I'm one believer. Somethings is just strange. I have twisted trees here also.

56:27 Oh really? Oh man, they're beach. Trees, and which is a very hard wood and very something very strong would have to have done it. There's no way the wind could do this. Paul, Is this a conversation I could put on my ex foot podcast. For that, Garr, I have no problem with that, all right. Yeah, Paul, keep us in of the loop. If stuff continues to happen, Stan, how are you thinking? Man? Hey, really enjoy and appreciate what you're doing. Give me people a community about talk about this stuff, because maybe just as intriguing as it is traumatizing. I'll let you pick because I am in a spot. I'm active duty, I'm overseas right now, and I'm in a spot where I don't have too many personal experiences happened to me when I used to happen all the time, but my friends and family have. So I got one from my uncle that he reached out to me about the same uncle that I took those photos with when we were taking photos of deer, and one from an old buddy of mine when I was in when I was up in northern California logging.

57:41 Where is what area of the country is the uncle wants from? My uncle is in Tennessee, but he likes to move between Tennessee and Kentucky because he finds the area is beautiful. But this is happening what he described to me was happening in Tennessee. Gotcha, Yes, that far that I was talking about out, okay, gotcha. First off, of course, thanks for you service here over there doing what needs to be done. I appreciate that. Thank you. Stan. Yeah, of course I am going to pick good old northern California. Oh, you're going to enjoy this. So I was reaching out to a few of my coworkers I still talked to from that company because they were good friends. And I've even had some pretty strange experiences from out there, nothing crazy significant. I've definitely seen bigfoot.

58:34 I've definitely seen them, like those photos of my uncle were. Not the first time. But while I was working there wasn't anything crazy. I was like, hey, y'all heard anything about this recently. One of them reached back and said, yeah, actually, I had one pace my truck as I was coming home from. Work down the mountain. I was like, oh, tell me about that. So what he said was, because when you're log you leave the equipment out there, right. You don't just take it home with you. It's too much trouble. So you usually have someone out there watching the equipment, making sure no. One steals it, breaks and whatnot. So he goes his entire night shift doing this.

59:14 It was his turn, goes entire night shift doing this. Everything's fine until an hour or so before he gets off his shift. He starts hearing like wood crunching, branches breaking, and he's okay. Animals whatever, until it gets close enough to where his that's not normal. He said it's a He said it was. Obvious, like very obvious, right, big animal that should not be making as much noise as it was. So he thought it was a bear. He's a massive bear. So it's like, it is what it is. They're usually skittish whatever. So he gets off his shift, nothing really happens, starts walking to his truck, and he realized very soon as he's walking to his truck that he's being paced. He would walk stop, something would walk with him and stop with him, right, And he's like all right.

1:00:10 So he's freaked out. He gets to his truck as fast as possible, goes to flip that engine, starts to drive off, and drive is easy for the most part until he actually gets onto the main road down the mountain and he sees a shadow pull up alongside his truck and he looks off to the left and he said it was the biggest meanest thing I've ever seen. And I was like, what are you talking about, biggest meanest what? And he's like, I'm pretty sure I caught a big foot like pacing my truck and I was going thirty miles an hour. I was like, there's no way. He's like, yeah, it was. He said it was close enough to where if it reached out his hand, it would it could grab his side view mirror off his truck. He said it was like switch, like switching between looking down the road and looking at him, almost like in momentum with how he was running, like with his steps, and he said it looked angry that he was there to begin with. And so I was like, did it do anything. He was like no, he was just running with me and he was angry. And I was like, so, didn't attack you or nothing. It was like, no, I don't know what he was doing. I was just freaking out. And he goes, I'm speeding up to thirty five forty forty five, and each time you would go to speed up, he would clock right along with him.

1:01:37 He said. It wasn't until I had to slam on my brakes to hit a turn Mountain Roads eight twist. They turned and my tail, the tail of my truck almost spun out that it had to dodge the tail because it almost spun out into the big Foot and it dipped all into the off into the woods, and he didn't see it again that rest of the night, and he. Goes, I thought it was over. I thought I got lucky. That wasn't gonna say anything about it until a week later when he realized all the trees around his house, one by one, like over a few days, started getting flipped upside down. No way, oh man, And I've been to his house.

1:02:18 Man, those are ironwood trees that he planted there specifically, those things do not come up easy, if at all. And he said, one by one he would find. These trees completely torn out of the now granted ironwood trees. They have normal roots, but at the center is a root ball keeps them seated into the ground. Said by the root ball man torn out and planted. And they're big too, They're like ten fifteen twenty year old ironwood trees. And he said, over the next week, like within ten feet of the woodline surrounding his house, each and every single one of those trees flipped upside down. It was like something was trying to tell him to stay there.

1:03:04 Like he got the vibe that it was very clear that whatever was flipping around those trees was making sure he knew it was big enough and strong enough and fast enough to make his disappear if it wanted to. So don't leave your house. It was here. I'm like, I got chills thinking about it. I think imagining that, and I got chills when he was talking about it. Do you think that bigfoot that you. Caught tasting your car was the same one? He was like, yes, but I think it had help. And I was like, why how many trees you got around your property? Is I planted five hundred of them from my property just to keep the soil down right.

1:03:47 Because he had a bunch of like weed growth and stuff. He didn't like it, so he planted all those trees and I was like, dude, so you think he was multiple? He said, it had to have been at least five. Yeah, even as big and as strong as they are, it had to have been a good amount of them to be able to do that in the short time span, which lines up with my thought process of there's no way there's just like one per area. There's got to be they got to be reproducing somehow. There's got to be a little fans and whatnot. But I have these daydreams of, oh, what if I stumbled upon a big foot like I could probably take a small one out right. Nope, no, not a chance.

1:04:28 No, probably not. I don't take anyone could to be honest, did did he tell you? Did he just leave it at northern California or did he share that area that chase took place. In the logging site sites that we ran out are up by Klamath National Park? Okay, so what about a bike Klamath National Park or National Forest? Yeah? Yeah. So if you look up Arcadia, California, and you like on Google Maps, and you scroll north bit, you're gonna see a bunch of sub sets, different cabins and homes he lives in. I don't know which one, but he lives in one of those. And I'm assuming giving that because I've been there. Like I said, it's a bit far off from those like sub sections, but still, man, like, that's a two hour drive almost, And oh yeah, he was.

1:05:24 Saying that it was. He was saying it paced him for about a good hour at those speeds that he was driving home. Like, I can't imagine the amount of stamina and sheer force those animals carry with every single one. I can't fathom it just based off what he's describing. Wow, An incredible account that is absolutely bonkers. Thank you for sharing that. Yeah, of course, is our conversation one that can be put on the podcast. Sure, I don't think you would mind. Okay, Yeah, we have kept him in out of meus pretty much.

1:06:08 Right. Yeah, I haven't said his name or nothing. Okay, perfect, Perfect, dude. I appreciate you coming up. Hopefully you're able to hang out for a while and listen, and maybe we'll hear from me again in the future. Dude. Heck yeah, if I end up going anywhere back to NorCal or somewhere else and I have a more significant experience of myself to share, I'll definitely get I'll definitely shoot you call or hop in one of the lives. All right, Thank you, Stan, and we'll see you next time then. Heck yeah, you take it easy. Yeah, how's it going? Hey, how's it going? Share? I'm doing well. How about you? Not too shabby? Just a quick story. This goes back to the last Labor Day weekend, so not too long ago.

1:06:51 I'll live out here in northern Arizona. Hunter hiker, that's my whole thing. So I was driving someone from the airport here in town to Oak Creek, which is on the way to Sodona, and it's only two lanes, one lane each way. I went to dropped the lady off out a cabin in Oak Creek. On the way down. There's nothing in the road. We're just chilling. She was taking some photos out the window as we're going down, just trying to take some night shots through the canyon. And we heard how you didn't know what it was, kept on treking paying no mind to it. So we get to the cabin and she drops off her stuff and then wants me to take her back into town. So we go back the same way we went through the canyon.

1:07:39 This time there's a branch on the lane going down, so I went to go turn my brights on, put my flashers on, and you see something hop over the branch over the railing, and. When the lights hit on it, it pauses, and when the lights hit on it, it pauses, standing turns away from us to lean against a tree with its arm up. So I've never seen anything in that canyon where it like intelligible to where it freezes like that, tries to blend into its surroundings and from in comparison to the posts that are along that road, the bottom of a sign to the ground is exactly seven feet tall. That's the standard for speed signs in Arizona. So I put the flashers on and I get out of the car, and when it hears me get out of the car, it sprints down the hill. I take my flashlight, go to the edge. You can see the foliage is all pushed down and there's a like a musky smell and whatever it was. Yeah, that's not a bear. That's no, none of that, because a bear doesn't stand against a tree with one arm up trying to blend in. That's all I have to say. And this just happened lavery day weekend.

1:08:54 Wow, as you went after it, I went to. Go see what it was, because, like I said, I was stopped to get that branch off the road and then saw that thing hop over the railing and pause by the tree. Did you did you get to a certain point then and then decide to turn. Back after that? No? The lady they all let me to get in the car because she saw it too, and I took her back into town. That's wild, dude. Have you done any research to see if other people have had sightings in that area too. So Oak Creek has a visitor center near a stopping point called Indian Gardens. The next day I went back down to survey of the area. A ranger was moving the branch out of the way and clearing the area, and I said, hey, man, this is what I saw.

1:09:42 There was an older gentleman in the sixties. He goes, yeah, we don't talk about that here, but it's been seen, and that's where you left it at. That was the ranger working through that visitor center. Really, so it's called Indian Gardens. Yeah, so Indian Gardens. There's a little stop with a for service visitor center and ranger station. But the area is called Oak Creek Canyon and it's on the way to Sedona. So the elevation dropped from seven thousand feet down to about four thousand feet, so you go from Alpine and then then that area turns into like berries, oak trees and there's a creek with like trout and all that. But yeah, is this sustainable environment?

1:10:24 No, it's perfect because that's that's like the mom area. Is that right? That is correct? Yeah, dude. There are so many stories over the years about the Mogiam Master and you've probably heard them as well, but it's like the same deal. You know exactly what you experienced. Dude. That is so wild. Wow, I've never heard about the whole thing in Mungoling Rim until I started digging after talking to that ranger. Yep, yep, Oh my goodness, dude, thank you for sharing what you experience. Is this just worry I could share big foot? Yeah, of course you take care the rank.

1:11:07 Thanks for coming up, man, I appreciate it having a good one. How's it going, Hey? Pretty good? How you doing? Hey? Great? I saw your comment. It sounded interesting, so I figured i'd invite you up. Mh. Yeah. We wadam Saint Louis, and when we had lost our property. When we lost our home the night that it was the last night. We were going to be there, I was out in the barn and packing and I read lines on our property.

1:11:48 None of my neighbors believe me about that. We've seen this set of red eyes. Okay, it was so high in the air it didn't register to me that night. It did register that night, like how huge this thing was. But when it took off and went down the little valley for us ten seconds, it roared. Is the first time I ever heard a bigfoot roar Okay. And I said to my buddy, I said, that wasn't a mountain lion, right, He goes, nah, that certainly wasn't a mountain lion. Now we moved six nautical miles from where our twenty five acres was in a very remote part of our county, Okay, and me and my kids were watching that stupid Bigfoot show, Finding big Foot, and they're smacking wood and stuff and look back, and we'd take two pieces of firewood and they would answer okay with crash and night. Me and my youngest boy we heard a bipedal run across the creek.

1:12:54 And the creek in our backyard was chest deep, and this thing it jumped in and went coos coos coos coos. And my kid looked at me. He was like, Dad, that's two legs. I go, yeah, that's two legs. I'll make the story shorter. A couple months go by, we're smelling these things. Okay, a raccoon, you can smell them as soon as he comes up on you. Close this thing. They were so just so strong, impotent. It was like thirty raccoons. In a bottle. Underneath your nose. But anyway, they would throw rocks down this hillside. I'm not believing at this point still, I'm not really thinking that. This is a big hairy deal. Not yet.

1:13:38 And when I was sitting alone after we had a bad quick flash floating creek and the next day I was sitting on the stairs of the creek in the backyard, and I heard a deep guttural voice. I swear to God, this is how it went down. I heard a deep guttural voice. And you never heard no voices around here. It's one club house across the creek, and that doctor that owned it never came out to the never came out there to enjoy his property. And there were two of them. It's built. A big one stopped put his hand on the other one's chest, and they both looked at me, and they both turned and walked up the hillside. And I swear to God, they evaporated halfway up the hill, but you could still hear their footing up that mountain side.

1:14:29 I swear to God. Now I stayed in the big foot closet for many years. I told my two sons about this, and they told the mom like I do, they would I told him not to because he already thought. Some years later, what you call it county Towney, I'm not going to say the name of the county. I don't want to create something out there because because there's a population of them. I totally get it. Yeah. Some years later, a Sheriff's Department retired officer he saw them in the bigfoot closet.

1:15:10 Yeah, we could. We look right there. We've seen them, seeing two of them, and they were leaving stuff for us. When I see these, when I see these two entities, I started leaving them fish guts. And I know it sounds crazy, but I started leaving them entrails to animals when I would clean fish and stuff. I don't think they were really respecting that as much as they were the whole chickens. But it took me a long time to figure out. But they were leaving me rocks. I just didn't know they were leaving me rocks. I thought they were carrying rocks for like aesthetic purposes. But yeah, they like gift people stuff. Bigfoot's actually trade off.

1:15:52 They're not gonna stand there and let you give them something. But when you. Leave them stuff, they leave you stuff right where you left them stuff. I swear they do. And as far as like. When I seen that big red eye deeal coming down the hill of our property, I seriously think that Bigfoot wanted me to see him. I really do, because I think he already knew where we was headed, six miles away, right by where he and his family lived. And man, it sounds crazy, but I think he let me see him and his younger one or whatever on purpose.

1:16:36 I really do. And I don't know. I want to move back to that area and just be back in that area. It was the when I knew they were close, I had no feeling of I could be in trouble or danger. I felt like I was a little tiny peon and I was the weakest animal in the woods. But when when you hear a bigfoot roar, everything shuts up. It's crazy. When the deepest part of summer, where all the insects are just allowed it, when one of them bigfoots roar, everything shuts up, it's like silent, and yeah, it's. I think they're way more intelligent than us. I know that, I really do. I think they got it. I tell you what.

1:17:21 When I googled bigfoot talks, the very next day, the very next morning, because they were talking, the big one was talking. Then all of a sudden, I see all kinds of videos where bigfoots are talking. I had no idea they had. They were communicating. Audibly until I heard them talking across creek. Then then I google it and then I heard them California foots. They were imitating people's voices and the one saying Marlborough and calling guys names. It was. It's the most fascinating thing. I'm really fascinated with bigfoots. People that don't believe don't need to believe, but they don't need to come to sites like this and talk about how it's not. Real, because it is real. I think there's state.

1:18:02 I really do. I'll tell you this. So you mentioned Saint Louis and then you moved outside of it, and it's okay, we don't know anything else. That's fine, but I'll tell you this much. I've gotten reports from all around Saint Louis, especially the area Weldon Spring. Oh my goodness, Weldon Spring area. Big family out there. South South. Yeah, you said South Saint Louis, and that's people don't understand that, But South Saint Louis Like County. Here's what I think. I think.

1:18:44 There's a great possibility that they're actually like if we got skin walkers, if they're seeing skinwalkers in Saint Louis City, I'm willing to bet there's a bigfoot or two. See. I think there's some cave dwelling bigfoots as well. I really do, because. I really do. I think there's a lot of cave dwelling bigfoots now. I do know that they're acclimated to the weather and that like they can handle any winter storm and stuff. But have you ever seen any videos of the bigfoot babies that are up in the tree? Yeah, and like still as can be? Have you seen that? Yes, Like the.

1:19:24 Bigfoot baby will be like a big clump and he's just staying in the tree and not moving. On my Google Maps, you can see them bigfoots in the trees. I'm pretty sure. If you know the. Area and there's sightings, you get your Google you get your Google Maps, and you zoom in on that and you let your on a nice phone, on a good phone, you can see these dark round balls of fuzz and the trees. I think they're bigfoots. I really do baby bigfoots, they said. Still while the parents go out and do their thing. Absolutely, let me ask you this. So you you said real quick that there's also skinwalker sidings in Saint Louis right now.

1:20:06 In Saint Louis City, in St. Louis County. Yeah. Yeah, it's funny because the more people that start telling me about this, I'm pretty sure they were they've been here forever, but they come from underground around here. They do around here. I'm pretty sure they come from the caves and they come up pretty sure. But yeah, they're seeing these two or three. I've heard it two. I've heard it two times now up at this park, which is it's just it's unreal. There's only the only way a skin walker could be at this park is from access to the cave, because we have a huge underground cave system that runs all around the Saint Louis County and city area.

1:20:49 It's huge. But I'm pretty sure that's where they're coming from. People have these sightings where they see this, they hear this demonic howling, and I tell I mean, get on the internet and look up skin walkers because if it's like beyond human and it looks like it's shape shifting. It's most likely just a skin walker. Doesn't have to be a demonic entity. It could be very well up entity that's from another dimension that's been here forever, like the skin walkers. Is this a conversation I can put on my big foot podcast as well? Oh yeah, yeah, I'm not afraid to yeah anymore. I came completely out of the bigfoot closet because once the Sheriff's department retiree said he's seen the nine footer.

1:21:31 Then I told everybody I knew from that community. Yeah, we were playing with them, clapping wood together, feeding them, and then I've seen the two walking and talking together. It was crazy, man, it was crazy. She's a huge nine footer. He was like a dark blackish brownish grayish kind of He was dark, not like you really see a lot of the bigfoots. He was super dark brown with a little tint of gray. And the short one, I must say, was like seventh foot. He won little by no means, but just the one I seen was huge. The one big one was huge, but the little one was more of a peachy, like a dirty brown with a little bit of a like a peachy to it.

1:22:17 It was weird. Man, They're two different colorfoots. The big black one was super huge and wide, and the younger, smaller one was like it was huge, but it wasn't like this. The black one was a monster. He was like huge. Just it's weird. I can see him. I can see him to this day, but I don't want to say his shoulders were five foot wide, but I know his shoulders were like super wide, and his legs were tree trunks. It was insane, And you know it's funny. I looked and looked and looked for footprints, and I never found a print one. Me and my sons, both all all three of us, we call him that place. But it's funny. It just seems like they were running and crossing the creek in areas, and they were running through areas they wouldn't. They weren't like running through the open fields. They'd run through the pasture that had grown in it, and they'd run through the like. I laid on my belly one night because something was going through these pawpaws. If it would if it had been a big foot, I'd die of a heart attack. But I laid on my belly one night. I thought I was gonna sneak up on a big foot eating the paw paws.

1:23:29 We had a paw pattrack by our house, and I laid on my belly and this big old hog was He was the one that was eating all these paw paws up up the ground. He scared me so bad and I almost had a heart attack from the hog. The wild hog foots will a big deer and they'll take a they'll take a big deer and they'll throw it up in the tree. Just can't get it. I've heard that as well. That I know for sure, because the neighbors around us were talking about mountain lions. They were talking about mountain lions dragging these deer up the tree. And finally I asked him. I said, where that deer at? And he told me where. I went down and looked. He was talking about a big ten point buck, like two hundred pounds.

1:24:15 I was like, man, there's no way a chat did that. A cat didn't take that. This deer was like thirty foot in the air in the tree. I think there's no way a cat did that. I said, it didn't make no sense. I didn't put it all together until years later, but it was actually bigfoot doing that. But yeah, they'll tree at their food because theres nothing else can get to it except for the birds of prey. And yeah they're real smart. They're real smart. Wow, little wild conversation. I got company coming. Thanks thanks for having me. Yes, sir, I hope to talk to you later. Have a good one. How's it going? Good? Good? I'm doing well? What brings yet tonight?

1:24:56 I had an experience one time, but it's been said, but all of a sudden on my porch one night having a cigarette, and I own a pretty good piece of land, and it was about like ten o'clock and I seen this like round circle glowing in the woods, probably about sixty seventy yards from me, and I'm real familiar with the area. And I'm looking at it. I'm looking at it. It's about the size of a golf bar, and I'm like, when the world is that? Because I had one of the big barn like and I said, what world is that? And I'm looking and then all of a sudden I thought maybe it was like a possum or a coon up on a tree, because it looked like it was maybe about it looked like it was around eight foot seven food and I was like, it must be a possum or a coon on a tree. And it was showing out shine, but I still it was still odd because it was up. It was in the woods where I've never seen deer do it. And all of a sudden, the eye, what I thought was an eye, It moved sideways and two eyes poked out of the tree.

1:26:09 I'm like, what is that? And it had it was a good tin It had a good ten fifteen inch spread between my eyes. It was like a it was like a cow head likeness. Yeah, And I was like, what was in the world? And where I'm sitting on the porch. I didn't have my light on under the porch, but I had a light shining toward the front yard security. Light, so it couldn't see me. I don't, I didn't think, And all of a sudden it went back behind the tree. And this went on for twenty about fifteen to twenty minutes. It played pickaboo, it's sticky head like it would come out behind the tree, go back in, come back in. And I was like, I say, we ain't this. But the thing of it was, I've been hearing other stories and it's been red shine.

1:27:06 This was like a beer if you just if you shine through a light through a beer bottle, that. Color exactly yellow or amber. Yeah, uh huh yeah yeah. And I was like wow, and I'm watching this, but and I was like and another thing was too. I had a bird house at the end at the edge of my yard, and I knew that I knew the area where it was, so I could take from where I was sitting, I could take that bird house and get a measurement of where that I knew exactly what tree that it was behind, and it was a big white oak. It was a white oak, a good fifty twenty inch long, good wide one.

1:27:55 And so I had. My buddy the following a couple of days, I had my buddy to go up there with a BBCA pipe ten foot ten footer and a measuring tape and I sat in that same spot and I had that bird house to go by. I knew exactly where the my eyes was and I measured it and it was every It was eight foot on the dot. It was eight foot eyes eyes from the ground. And I was like, wow. Now I've had several encounters, but I've never seen it, seen nothing, just the eye shine.

1:28:39 I take that back, Take that back. I was fourteen and I was on a juvenile hunt. And see we have we have over eighty ninety acres here, and I've been here a while. And I was fourteen and I was hunting on a juvenile hunt, and. I have a. Property line that my dad wouldn't let me go past. He's don't go past our property line. And going to this other guy's property, I snug past it and I trailed up there and I was walking around and I got to the top of this hill.

1:29:19 And I was sitting down. I just got this feeling something was watching me this. I wouldn't nothing. I didn't think anohing about no big food. I didn't know nothing about bigfood, really. And I looked down at my feet and I'm leaning against this tree, and there's these big pile of shavings and. I'm like, wow, what's that? And where I'm at, we don't have beards. And I look up above my head and there's on each side of the tree is like claw marks going down. The tree d D and every bit of like. A foot foot long scratch going down each side of the tree, enough to make a pile of wood chips.

1:30:03 I was like, that's weird. So I got the creepy feeling anyway, so I started to leave that. When I walked down to the creek. There's a creek down at the bottom of the holler and I'm walking down it, trying to be quiet, walking on the rocks. I got my rifle in my hand and got my horn joon. It was deer season and I'm walking down the creek quiet and just creeping, and I'm looking. I'm a good hunter, even at that age, I was a good hunter. And I'm looking and everything and it wood. The trees are spread apart pretty good. Wasn't much a brush. And then I'm looking and I don't see nothing, but I get close to my property line and I and this. I don't know what it was, but it scared me so bad.

1:30:58 It was rocked by side. Like the creek. I'm in the creek, walking down the creek. Whatever it was setting by a tree on the side of this creek, and it said, you don't need to be back here. But the weird thing was whatever. It wasn't a hundred, it didn't have no hunter or orange one. It had a gilly suit that I thought and excuse me so bad. I wouldn't look at it in its eyes. I wouldn't look because I was just froze. And but I in my peripheral I could tell it. It was long, shaggy green, just like a gilly suit, but lower like moss.

1:31:51 And I was like so I just kept walking. I kept walking and I didn't look back because the weird thing was scaring me so bad is that I didn't see it. It was right up on me and it was huge, and I didn't see it. That's what freaked me out, because I was very observed as I was walking down the rock trying to be quiet. But I still I didn't put that to no big hood either. At that time, I didn't put that to no big hood either. And there's been me many mornings that i'd go hunting and have something walking beside me. Yeah, And to say i'd go out, I'd go thirty minutes for daylight because i'd have a good long stretch to get into my stand, and I would start out dark and I would be walking, but I didn't never thought.

1:32:47 About no bigfoot, nothing like that. And I'd be walking and there would be something right beside me, stepping along with me, and I would try to catch it. It was so obvious and quiet. I would try to catch it. I would be. Walking and then I would stop and it stopped. Normally it would stopped the same time I would, but I would catch it. Every once in a while, I would make one more step, one more step. And I told my brother about it, and he went with me one morning and it happened, and he said, I'll be down. It was crazy. You'd be walking. It would be like five or six feet from you, walking in the leaves with you footstep, the footstep, and you can stop and catch it step one step ahead of you.

1:33:35 You're like, and he my brother's like, what is that? I always thought it was. I thought it was a deer, but I knew it in the back of my mind. I knew it wasn't because it was bipedal right. And yeah, that happened there. And then the big thing that happened was I had a deal with rock throwing. This was a pretty good one. My sister had a trailer on this land and wasn't nobody living in it for about a year, and it had a clearer, so I decided to move in. And I was doing some painting and stuff like that, and it wasn't no electricity hooked up down here. I was doing painting and stuff like that.

1:34:24 And I had my dog with me, which was a He was like a blue tick pound dog. Wasn't scared of nothing, coon hunting dog. Everything. This dog wasn't scared of nothing. Like I said, this place is setting over for about a year and was nobody there, and we're talking. This is We're talking. Everything's off the road and the main road is very secluded. And I'm doing painting and whatever. And i had me a battery TV, a battery light, and sleeping bag and stuff like that. And I'd had everything in my truck, the pain and everything. I was gonna spend a couple of days just to mess around, get it ready. Gabby, my dog, was on the porch.

1:35:08 And it got dark and I started cleaning op and everything and started watching the movie and Gabby, she was out there on the porch and I had everything on, and all of a sudden, these little back little rocks started tapping my window. And I had the window, I had the window cracked the let fumes out. But these little rocks like peas, they couldn't been there had to be little tiny rocks, and they was hitting the window. And I didn't have no trees around the trailer at all, no trees and a good fifty feet leavest fifty yards to the woods, the wood line, and these little pe just kept tapping the window.

1:35:52 And I was like, what is that? And neighbors. I don't even have neighbors for one hundred acres around, it's no neighbors. And I was like, what is that? And it kept going and going, and I was like, it just didn't make no sense. It could have been an animal or nothing. These were aggressively hitting the window and mounting off the window. And I said, so, I said, somebody's messed with me, and take it. And this is taking in mind. It was two thirty two, two forty. Five in the morning. This is when this started happening. And I said, so, I was like, somebody must be messed with him. It ain't nobody been here. Somebody's messing with I take my Pupiu and I creep outside and I didn't see my dog and yeah, I didn't see Gabriel, and and it was quiet out there, go bugs nothing.

1:36:51 I'm talking about, a creepy quiet and all of a sudden, I finally heard a little wiper. I said, what in the world. And I go to my truck and my dog is up under the truck whimpering, and I'm like, what in the world. And I didn't have to take mine. I didn't have electricity. And when I went out, and if it was somebody messing with me, I wasn't gonna let them know where I was at. So I went out in the dark, and I ain't thinking about no big but or nothing. But when I went under there and I seen Gaddy shaking like that and whimpering, that scared me. And plus the creepy quiet too. I had a shed. I had a shed over there, and I went over to the I was reaching out. I couldn't see nothing, I mean, and plus it was dark, so dark you couldn't even see your hand it run your face.

1:37:48 And I knew where a shed was. So I reached over there and got to the corner of the shed and set on a five gallon bucket for an hour, waiting to hear her leave or something, let me know who's messing around, or where that's otter what? And I didn't hear nothing, this dead quiet, so I came on in the house. I turned my light, my little electric like on and all of a sudden, here it goes again, throwing it again, rocks hitting the windows again, little tappings. And I'm like, what in the world. I'm like, as I thought about it, I wasn't even thinking about no big foot. I was like, man, what is a ghost? What is this? And why is Gabby scared to death? This is really freaking me out. Man, I'm like, what my world? I'm gonna tell you. The next day, I went back to painting, doing everything that I do. I was gonna stay one more night. At two forty five, at the same time, it happened again, this time with bigger rocks.

1:38:50 These rocks were. About two inches or two inches wide, and they didn't hit the window. They hit the top of the roof and rolled off the roof into the porch and cloud. So I went out the door and just unloaded in that direction, and then that was that. But I picked the next morning. I picked up the rocks off the porch where they rode off the porch there and landing on the porch, rode off the roof, landing on the porch, and yeah, and then and see, I didn't think no bi put. Then one day I was watching a show on TV. It was about a cop or something and he was going down through there going camping and they started throwing rocks and I said, you know what, that's the same thing that happened to me.

1:39:40 Oh yep, yep. Hey, we got to ask you real quick. Everyone is freaking out. So what happened to Gabby during that story? Were able to get Gabby back inside? Or oh yeah, oh Gabby? She just that night she wouldn't come out from un her truck. That she wouldn't do it. She was whimpering and shaking and was staying under the truck. And that's when I got the craeves. Well, not when you started. I was like, Gabby, girl, come here, come talking to her, Come here, girl. She wouldn't come out, and then she was shaking and winbything like that real solve and how quiet was It was just an eerie feeling. Hey, okay, god, yeah, when the sun come up and everything, she's fine.

1:40:24 Yeah, but. Yeah, I didn't have I had no idea about no big foot or nothing. But then I started putting stuff together and I'm like, this could. Be absolutely. Man. Thank you so much for coming up. Are you able to share the general area where this has been happening in I'd rather not, at least the state maybe. Or out of state. Yeah, Tennessee, Okay, that's what that's my guess. Yeah, that's no problem. Is this a thing where I can use the audio from this conversation for that big foot podcast that I have?

1:41:05 Yeah? Sure, okay, yeah, well yeah, I just I was sitting there listen to you. I was like, Mama, go ahead to tell them what happened to me. But yeah, but I have, I've had the gifting part. See, I didn't know nothing about that either, and I was getting that too. A cool thing about that one was I had a bunch of wood that I had stacked up real neat in the backyard, and I threw a tarp over it, right. And every thing was The fun thing was is I told him why. I said, Look, I said, it looks like a tin because I had a tarpover it looks like a tent. And I want you to know I came out the other day and today next day and it had a rock, huge rock laying in the middle of that. And if somebody something had to put it there a huge rock laying in the middle, and what nobody but us, So.

1:42:07 This is some wild stuff that happens in Tennessee. Thanks for having with me today. Yeah, man, no problem. Thank you for listening to this episode of The Bigfoot Society Podcast. Every encounter we share reminds us that the world is bigger and stranger than we think, and that the truth is often hiding just beyond the tree line. If you enjoyed this episode, please be sure to subscribe to the channel on YouTube hit the bell so you don't miss the next episode, and share this with a friend who's into mysteries, monsters, or the unexplained. And if you're listening to us on Spotify or Apple Podcast, please follow the show there and leave us a five star positive review because all that helps more people discover the show.

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