They Camped at Bluff Creek. Something Wanted Them Gone.

0:00 Like, I don't know. Like, we're going to have to stay up all night and sleep in the day because I can't do this again. This is Bigfoot Society and I'm Jeremiah Byron. Tobe Johnson and Alicia Pfeiffer spent three days camping near the Patterson Game on Film site in Bluff Creek, California. They brought recording equipment and set up beside the trailhead. And by the next morning, Tobe was questioning another night there. So I wanted to hear what brought them to that point. But before we get there, I've got a little catching up to do. On iBigfootSociety, I've got the privilege of talking to Tobe Johnson and Alicia Pfeiffer today. You've heard both of them on the channel in the past before. Tobe was a while ago. We talked about Owl Moon Lab and his book, and that's a great interview if you haven't heard it yet. And Alicia was a while ago too talking about her– multiple uh bigfoot experiences around oregon which is also a great one i'll have those linked in the show notes but you may know them both from uh the olympic strange days video series that you can find over on the flash of beauty youtube channel how are you doing out there today guys are you uh we're doing an audio only interview so you uh you on the road i know you are going everywhere out there.

1:16 Yeah no we're good um we're just like you know uh in the deep of just in the middle of a bunch of projects. We have like a town hall coming up in like two days and then we're getting ready for, uh, Vernal, Utah. We're going to be leaving early September for Phenomicon. And then, uh, shortly after we get back from that, we have like our OSD, uh, field experience camp out. So plus, uh, documentary we've been working on so we're just in the midst of juggling all those. Things that is fantastic and you guys are you guys are best friends how do you and this is I'm just incredibly awkward you know like I've never even asked you guys like you're super best pals right like how is it you even talk about yourselves I don't.

2:14 Even know. Yeah, well, we we so we met like at the very first Sasquatch Summer Fest and we're friends for a while. And then, you know, I started being more involved with going out in the woods with Priscilla and kind of doing a couple of things together. Like, I think we did some lives with you and Tobe and we just both got to a point where we were like, Hey, I think that there might be something more here. And we just, it just grew from there. So we've been together for a couple of years now. And within the last like few months we got engaged. So that was a pretty big, pretty big win for us.

3:04 That's pretty serious. Yeah. Congrats, guys. Thank you. Sasquatch Summerfest will do that. I mean, there you go. Yeah. You go. Good stuff. Good stuff. Exactly. I am a huge fan of Olympic Strange Days just because. So going through this whole health thing, I know personally what it is when my listeners say, hey. I live vicariously through you when I see your videos and I, I can't get out there right now. I can't get out there. And you guys are just like out there.

3:45 And I appreciate what you guys are doing. I'm a supporter of, of your channel. Not afraid to say that. And, um, but tell me more about, even though this episode will be out after the town hall, you guys have been doing a few town halls so far. And tell me more about how those have gone. If you've gotten some really good connections, uh, How have those been going? Well, this is Tobes speaking here. So, yeah, the town halls were kind of born out of what was called Bigfoot and Beer back in 2008. Time frame in the little town of Lieberg, Oregon.

4:26 Once a month, we would get ready for witness testimonies in a pizza parlor called Ike's Pizza. And because I had already done town halls. Like that before, I thought, well, gosh, what if we just make it more of like a community potluck style and get a door fee and had some speakers actually kind of like psych the audience up enough to where eventually they could step up and tell their own stories. And so that was the idea. And so we found like the perfect little spot right in the town of Port Angeles, Washington. It's like five minutes off of 101. And so, yeah, we have another one coming up here.

5:07 It's already happened. So it was a lot of fun with Harvest Moon, who's a Salish elder. And she's going to be talking about the oral traditions of the Coastal Salish and Bigfoot. She slept in a teepee when she was on site. She actually erected an authentic Coastal Salish teepee out front of the Grange. And so having someone like that, who's also a speaker, kind of shows the audience what they're about to get involved with or be a part of for. Our field experience. So it is a great way to. Kind of advertise an event that you have coming up. You know, there's a lot of resources and time putting on a field experience like this. And we try to keep it pretty, I mean, right now we only have 10 tickets left for this. So all in all, I think we have about 40 people that show up at these events and it's, How many acres is it, Allie?

6:02 It's right on the Solduck River. It's a little place in Beaver, Washington, outside of Forks. And I think it's over 15 or 20 acres for sure. Yeah, and they're constantly expanding it, I think, as well. Yeah, so they're totally into the subject matter and supportive of what we're trying to do. So anyway, to get back to your point, the town halls is a way for us to kind of embrace the community, have a place for them to go that's midpoint from where we live and where we're putting on our event. And then kind of invite them out for the Motherload, which is our October 1st through 3rd event that we have.

6:42 Yeah, and we also. Like as far as if we meet people that we potentially want to interview or something of that sort. I think for our first town hall, like the biggest theme was just people showing up and being like, oh my gosh, we've been waiting for, you know, events like this. I love these, these topics, these subjects, and there's just not enough of this type of communal events going on. And so they're just really excited to be around people with the same interests and the opportunity to share their experiences. But I'm sure you run into this too, where it's like people come up to you and they'll tell you their story or they'll leave it in a comment. But when it comes down to like, hey, do you want to hop on a call for an interview? Or do you want to film a episode, they kind of back off and that's not quite what they want to do. But, um, and you know, that's understandable. So we're always still looking for people. And I think the first one we did flash of beauty, uh, showed up Jill and Brett with their camera and they got a couple of great interviews out of that. So, um, maybe by the end of this one, we'll, we'll have found somebody who wants to do an Olympic strange days episode with us.

8:04 That is, that is really, really cool. And I do agree with you. Um, I don't think listeners realize that, um, half the people I talk to, uh, are not on the show. Half the people, uh, do not end up showing up to the show, even if they're scheduled, which is totally fine. I, I get it a hundred percent. It's a lot to put yourself out there and I greatly appreciate witnesses that do come on the show or channels like Flash of Beauty and Olympic Strange Days, et cetera. And it's so important to get that documented. So you are appreciated if you are a witness and you come forward with your account. Even if you don't, even if you're sharing it to the side, it still helps. There's still information that can be gleaned from that. So, Tobe, you know, talking about Olympic Strange Days, the event that is coming up, later this year, correct?

9:02 Yes. October 1st through 3rd. Oh, awesome. I know in past years, you've had some really awesome people that have come out to speak, to teach things. What kind of things can be expected this year? Well, we haven't had Harvest Moon, the Coastal Salish Native American, out yet. We've only had Native American representation sort of just last year. And that was just on the off chance that they were, they had some, well, we had a cancellation, to be honest, and they brought some representatives from near the tribe that are part of their, what do.

9:48 You call it, the shaman shack. Which is like a group of people that meet out near Neah Bay. And so we. Had almost had some Makah elder representation last year. I fell short of that. Actually, Brian Gagnon, who's a Makah elder, did show up. And so just to speak a. Little bit about who Brian Gagnon is, he's a Makah Native American, been on the Makah reservation, I believe his whole life, grown out at You know, Neah Bay is the most northwestern part of the United States. So when you stand an alley, you've been there before, you're looking out like to the one of the most spectacular views you can ever think of, which is like this little dock that faces out.

10:31 Over the Pacific Northwest. And you see nothing but the Pacific Ocean and a little bit of Canada. And that's it. Like you're at the tip of America. And the point of that is that it's really wild country. Like you feel like you just kind of step back into a certain part of history that is just like, oh yeah, you guys do. Your thing and we're doing our thing over here. Well, this is where Brian comes in handy because he's gonna be teaching native tracking from an indigenous point of view, but also kind of taking a more spiritual approach to the whole thing. And, um, you know, to have somebody like that from the, one of the closest reservations where we're going to be having this, the Makah, um, is awesome.

11:19 And of course, Harvest Moon, Salish, uh, oral tradition, um, historian, really. And she'll be on site as well as who else do we have coming out? Um, we have Simeon Hine, which he was at the very first OSD teaching his, uh, remote viewing class. And people love that, um, I loved it myself. It's just really interesting and fun. And he's also got quite a history of researching crop circles. And he's going to be speaking, presenting, and then teaching his remote viewing class. And then we also have Maureen Morgan. And she is an ex-Mufon director for the state of Washington who kind of went rogue and started doing her own thing as far as her research is concerned. And she's amazing. She's a wealth of knowledge, and she just kind of goes down her own rabbit holes with different topics, but mostly UFO-focused. And then we recently added on Mary Bethune, and she has been a paranormal investigator up here in the Olympics for quite some time now, and more specifically in the town of Port Gamble with, like, the... haunted walker ames house all that good stuff and um she's had some wild experiences like she's seen an insectoid like um what do you call

12:49 them the mantis beings like she's actually had a visual sighting of that while trying to paranormal investigate just like a haunted uh campground and uh yeah so we kind of cover all the bases because that's sort of what we try to provide as far as you know, just diving deep into the weird at this event. Like we want people to get fully immersed in the high strangeness of it all because to us it's connected. So you get a little bit of everything. Yeah. And I mean, most of these people we met through just talking to other people that had weird experiences.

13:29 And this is how it works. Like you obviously could put on a hell of a conference as well out in your area you. Know don't don't let's not i don't want that idea i don't want that yeah we don't need people pushing that because that's my nightmare but i get. It it is a lot of work. But uh yeah just just kidding So easiest way for people, like if someone is listening and you're like, Oh, that's, that sounds awesome. I mean, really you just have to fly into Seattle and drive a few hours out there. Really? It's just like, what, four or five hours? Uh, yeah, I think so.

14:13 Yeah. I think it takes four hours from SeaTac. You can catch a ferry and get there quicker, but. If people want to get involved with it, um, at this time, I think there's 10 tickets left, olympicstrangedays.com and pretty simple, uh, Go on there, find the ticket button, and reserve your place. You can camp. You can rent an RV, or you have one. You can car camp. Anyway, it should be a lot of fun, and that's coming up October 1st through 3rd. Hope to see you there. Thanks for the plug. Heck, yeah. I love stuff like that. So you guys were both at Sasquatch Summerfest this. Year, correct? We were, yes. Yeah, in fact, we're the MC this week.

14:53 So it was crazy enough to have us both on stage. And, um, Allie actually was manning the booth. We had a bit of action going on at the booth. And, um, anyway, so I think that's happening next year as far as I know. And we've unfortunately missed you, bro. Like we did, we did an impromptu with you on speakerphone. So thanks for letting us Bobby. Yeah. I really appreciate it though. Thank you. That was really nice. Um, Were there any highlights from this year? Any cool conversations or experiences that you had?

15:35 Well, it was packed, Jeremiah. Oh, wow. We should tell you that. There's a combined effort to put people that are already having groups meet at the park, meet at the same time. So in this case, it was a mountain biking conference going on. And so there was well over like 500 people on day one. And it just, the energy was really, really cool. And so I think that may be. Happening again, right? Yeah. Yeah. It's, the overlap is just like the first day, which I think it was Friday, I believe. Yeah, I'm sorry. Oh, but I just, yeah, whichever first day it was. And, you know, I think for first time, Priscilla could have been a little nervous about like, Ooh, how's this going to go? But, um, they were amazing, like super interested in like the vendor booths, um, the speakers and she worked it out for them to like, basically be able to come in and, and enjoy, you know, the presentations and they were so supportive of it. And we're like, Hey, where are you guys need t-shirts for sale of like Bigfoot riding a mountain bike. And so she's already in the works for like making a, you know, logo for a t-shirt for next year.

16:54 It was, it was awesome. So yeah, it worked out. That is fantastic. I heard, I heard a lot of good things about it. I've been trying to talk to individuals who that like went out with Jason Kenzie. I've heard some really interesting stuff from that. I'm going to have Kyle McDonald on the show in a little bit. He was up there. He had some really interesting things happen during that experience. So listeners are going to have to wait to hear about that. But he's shown me at least one picture and I was like, oh my goodness, there was stuff like right there. So stay tuned for that for sure. But, you know, guys, I have wanted to catch up with you for for a really long time and it to talk about you know on your channel you have some really amazing videos again listeners need to check that channel out flash of beauty channel the olympic strange day vlogs is what i'm specifically talking to but there's one in particular that i i would love to hear um just kind of you you recounting what happened and I think my audience would really enjoy it.

18:03 So you guys had gone down to Bluff Creek area in California and had some really interesting things happen during a camp out. Is that something you'd be able to share? Yeah, definitely. Yeah. So I'll start. It was it was a road trip. There was combined effort from the Olympic Peninsula to the Redwood Forest, and that was the beginning of it, to basically shoot a secondary episode about a werewolf sighting in the Jedediah National Forest. But the road trip was crowdfunded, and the crowdfunding went well enough to the point where we're just like, well, does the road trip have to end?

18:44 And so I was like, we're like so close to Bluff Creek. It's been 20 years. I've been a bigfooter. I've never been up there. And we had time to kind of kill because we had another event in the Sierra Mountains for Voices in the Wilderness, a crowdfunding event for that at the Rawhide Bar with Jerry Hine, if anyone knows Jerry Hine, right? He's the guy to know. So we had three days to go up to Bluff Creek. And I called it Bluff Creek right now because we ended up, didn't call, you know, the name of the episode you're referring to is called Bluff Creek because Bluff Creek is the home of the Patterson-Gimlin film, turned out to be the creepiest spot I'd ever camped at. And I don't get scared in the woods, really, Jeremiah. Like, I can maybe think of a couple different times where I'm just like, eh, humans are too close to me, and I don't want to be near tweakers or this, that, or the other. Like, you'll hear me talk about that. Like, I don't want to be around weird people. But generally, the phenomena is just like, it's just more puzzling and playful.

19:49 And not creepy. Well that all changed about a year ago last month and Allie take it. Away well so I remember when we first rolled into camp we immediately set up the task cam which is always you know the audio recorder it's kind of like your first what your first thought should be just in case and it was pretty quiet at first but once we like set up our stuff and we settled in um there's kind of a a drop down on the other side of camp and we were hearing like some stick breaks here and there and there was like you could hear a little bit of brush movement and we just figured well there could be deer whatever down there but a couple of them were pretty loud um And we'd hear that off and on kind of during daylight.

20:40 But what really, you know, where it really got intense or active was at night. And specifically every time we'd go inside of our tent and try to go to bed. So I would say that... Was it the first night that we immediately had? Yeah. Okay. So I went, I think... we both fell asleep roughly around the same time, but I was getting like sleep paralysis type stuff where I'd be waking up to something happening, but I can't move. And I think I'm awake, but I'm not actually awake. And usually what ends up happening is I kind of like mumble, like my mouth is closed, but I'm like trying to talk and, uh, Tobe hears that and he'll kind of wake me up and get me out of that state. But, Two times what happened was something pressed through the tent and touched the.

21:43 Top of my head, like just kind of like poked at it. And then the second one was something pressing through the tent. And I actually see like the bending of the fabric of something pushing through to reach me and tapping like my arm because I think I had my arm like up. past my head and uh both of those creeped me out of course and they felt very real in the moment but uh the next morning uh tobe had told me what happened to him and i didn't know about this because this was after my two things that happened so i'll let you tell your side.

22:26 Um yeah the uh alley had sleep paralysis and i could kind of tell something was going down And the way we sleep is we sleep in like a four-man tent, right? Like it's a big green Coleman tent and we put cots in it. And between Allie and I on cots is like my pistol. And a lamp and a battery charger. And in this case, the GoPro. And somewhere between one in the morning and four in the morning. We'll guess at this. Allie was having sleep paralysis and Then I would go back to bed or go outside to the bathroom. And at some point, I had a very vivid moment where.

23:14 It felt like a full abduction. Not like I was abducted via. Taking away to some craft. Or something like that. But I had a very realistic nightmare. I don't have any physical proof of this. but it was such a terrifying nightmare. Um, all I remember is like. The gnashing of teeth and like the, this weird vibration had a lot of like flesh. Tone colors to it. And it was terrifying to have that like come at you. And I knew at that point I. Was having like a lucid dream and I was a part of something like a spiritual attack. That's what it felt like. And, um, Then I was suddenly dropped off in some maze. You know, that's a phenomenon like the back rooms. I just kind of learned about this whole thing that there's a movie. Okay.

24:10 So like go look up back rooms. I had no idea that this place even existed as like a subculture thing, but that's. What it felt like. It felt like a parking structure or an empty like strip mall or something. And I just knew I was really there. And I was like, Allie's alone. She's in the tent. Where the heck am I? And so it was way more traumatic than what I'm explaining because if you knew that you were taken away someplace and dropped someplace and you felt like you were abducted and this was all for being where you were at the wrong time, I kind.

24:50 Of just knew in my heart of hearts why this was happening for the sake of it. Oh, yeah. This is a test or this is like some initiation or punishment. I didn't, I wasn't quite sure, but I knew it had to be in the proximity of bluff Creek. And by the way, like we're at the trailhead, the sign is right there. The PG trail sign is right in front of us. And in between these night terrors and night moments, we're hearing these weird, like whipping metal sounds. Like if you like whipped something, like. A Tesla coil, you know, like a snapping electric sound.

25:31 And at first I thought, are they just throwing. Rocks at the pop-up shelter tent legs that are aluminum? But there's no like secondary sound of a rock hitting. It sounds like that. And so this is happening. And so finally I woke up and I record myself waking up. Like in the episode, you see the look on her face, like, I think Allie and I both look at each other like, we can't stay here. Like, we're going to call it. Yeah. And it was mainly me freaked out. Like, I nearly was in tears when I saw that Allie was okay. Or not gone, right? And by the way, this is supposed to be a fun trip to, like, the Mecca where PG was, right?

26:19 And so we decide to stay. And what happened next? Um, and then the next day, just about the time that the sun went down, we did like a full on smudging. I think we had bought sage on the way down and like a couple of crystal trinkets that we'd intended to use as like gifting pieces. Um, so we used that sage and we just like smudged the whole campsite. Um, and yeah, then we definitely like stayed up as long as we could, I think, because we were just like, well, maybe if we wait till we're totally exhausted, we'll be less likely to, I don't know, get woken up or we'll just sleep hard and not have dreams.

27:09 I don't know. But while we're trying to stay up, I think we stayed up till at least 1.30, if not later. Brett Jill had loaned us this really nice FLIR camera set up on like a tripod. The only issue with it is it just, it doesn't do audio. So it's, it's picture only. And we're sitting in the middle of the campsite, which is referred to as the cell site. Like if you look up, you know, bluff Creek and stuff, they, they mentioned the cell site. That's where we were. It's like a big pullout. And if you look, well, depending which way, you know, you're looking, but there's the, there's kind of a fork and the PG sites on the right of that fork and the trail that leads down.

27:57 And so we're sitting in the cell site and we're facing our FLIR towards the road that goes down to the PG sites. And I think I have the main camera and he's looking at the FLIR display monitor and And he's like, whoa, I just saw something go across the monitor down the PG road, like swap me and keep an eye on it. And I was like, okay. So he handed it to me. And then I essentially saw the same thing. And we're recording, like we double check. We're like, okay, we're recording. Like we're good to go. And it was basically like this ball with almost like a comet tail. And it goes from it just appears out of nowhere on the right hand side of the road and and shoots flies from right to left.

28:52 Cold. Yeah, it was on the black signatures are cold, like ice cold and white is hot. And this thing was ice cold. Um, and definitely far too large to be like a bug or anything like that. And we get home or we get to the next place that we can actually review footage and we're looking at it and there's like, there's nothing on it. We saw it both with our naked eyes and we knew that it was recording. We double checked and we get back and we're like, what the heck? It's not on here. And, uh, like it didn't happen. Yeah, and I even remembered like when we had taken the flare and changed positions with it to the other, like the left side of the fork. And so I was like, yeah, I remember us moving it and looking around other places. It happened right here. And we scrubbed through all that footage and it did not record it.

29:51 So that was pretty weird. Yeah. I mean, there was other moments too where we had left out puzzles and trinkets and And they had moved 25 feet. When we got there, there was a stack of pine cones that we're kind of waiting for us. These are like sugar pine cones that are over a foot long. The reason we went to that site is because there were two women researchers, I believe that had three big foots approach them within like less than 25 yards. Away, you know, very close. And so, That was only like less than a month from when we were there. So the whole time we were there, we were there three days. And we ran into a group of Bigfooters and Jeeps. And they kind of talked to me for a bit.

30:39 Allie was in the tent. And then we saw one forestry worker. Yeah. And that was it. The last morning. So this place, we should mention too, Allie, is that we're not the only people that have been messed with up there with sleep paralysis. It turns out there's a host of like apers out there. That have had stuff happen. There and um no way really. Bringing this yeah like bringing. This up yeah i've you know privately i've had people reach out to me and just like dude. Yeah not you know what i mean like we've had stuff too at that. Spot like they reached out after seeing what we had happen and yeah the same cell site yeah So, and then that night I didn't, or you didn't have any dreams.

31:24 You slept really well, but I did have a dream where I woke up and you weren't in your cot and the tent door fly was like fully open and I could see out to the edge of the road and I see you standing there and you know, this isn't a dream. And all of a sudden there's just like this crazy scream roar. And I see you kind of, you know, jump and have a reaction. And then I can't tell if you were running towards the sound to like investigate it, or if you were running for your life, like terrified. And I'm just in the tent, you know, witnessing it. And then I wake up just kind of, nervous and then see that it was just a dream.

32:15 So I didn't mention that, I don't think, in the episode. But yeah, that one messed with me a little bit. I was just like, oh my gosh, can I get a break? It's a powerful spot. Maybe it explains why this film happened in the first place. Because no one's ever been able. To duplicate what they caught. Maybe all this. Is. That's the spot. This is where. the belief in the subject matter happens. And so when you go there, um, prepare yourself for a possible psychological. With your mind, because, you know, I can't be sure 100%. What happened as far as like what I described, but I know Allie was messed with. I watched her go through it and I know what I saw on FLIR.

33:06 We definitely can't debunk that. Um, yeah. So, I just would be very, out of all the spots we've been to, what I would say about this maybe as a cautionary tale is if you get close to reservation territory, come with the utmost respect because you're in a powerful zone and there may be consequences for coming unprepared, not having your heart right. Yeah. A hundred percent. Oh my goodness. I'm glad that you brought up the fact that there are other, the fact that there are other people that have experienced similar things, because this area is talked about a lot, but by people that are more focused on Bigfoot is a physical creature and weird stuff isn't cool. And so it's great to hear that there were people coming to you on the side and being like, Hey, don't tell my buds, but you know, it's going down.

34:02 And yeah. Yeah. But it's, I mean, you know, we're not, fully certain i guess i'll speak for myself i'm not fully certain that what we experienced necessarily. Was bigfoot stuff you know um and but it's just the the theme the pattern that shows up time and time again because we literally just shot an episode that we also shared a dream of experiencing the same thing essentially in. Our own way and again it was. Near um We weren't far off from a reservation. And I mean, I don't know. I don't want to like.

34:43 Put that in people's mind that it's, you know, trying to make any claims about. But I mean, but there is a data point. Oh, yeah. You can't ignore it. Yeah. I mean, there's just definitely a spiritual aspect of it, a paranormal aspect of it that we can't deny based off of our experiences. Yeah. And I think you can, you can actually prove it by looking on Bigfoot sighting maps or like, let's say for example, bigfootsocietypodcast.com where there's a sweet sighting map and you look at like Quinault reservation in Washington, man, there's a lot of people I've talked to that have had experiences around Quinault. Uh, it's just one example of like, there's stuff going on and if people can drive or go by the reservation, they're probably going to have encounters. Um, Alicia, I wanted to talk specifically about your experience on the first night because you had an actual visual of something pressing through the tent or something trying to press through the tent. Could you tell like how would the size of whatever, like that arm bend or finger, how big did that seem to you?

35:57 So like it didn't, you know, pressing through the tent, I couldn't really... see any like shape of what it was and you know it's dark in there I could just see barely like that something was pushing through um you know the solid fabric of the you know it wasn't the mesh part um but it did feel like I mean pretty thick you know I didn't feel like oh that's a massive and it was um you know I didn't grab around my arm or anything it was just like pressing, like poking, um, and enough to like, wake me up. I think I was woken up by the pressing both times. Um, and then I just kind of at first freeze in the moment. And then I just, and then I react, like I kind of have to get myself out of that. And I'm not unfamiliar with having these experiences. Um, I've had sleep paralysis before. usually for people it's.

37:05 Like I don't know like for me it used to be uh I'd only have it if I took a. Nap during the daytime and accidentally fell asleep on my back I think most people report that you know that they fall asleep on their back and then they get into that state and for me I'm a usually a side sleeper and um it does it doesn't seem to matter when I've camped and Certain spots like Shasta, I've gone camping there. I forget which, which campground it's called or it's right outside of a meadow. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I can't think of the name, but it's, you. Know, you're like, you're over halfway up to the top kind of a thing.

37:49 Right. But anyways, I. Had my leg, same thing, something pushed through the tent and held my legs down. um, in that state when I was at Shasta and then it did it again, like the same thing, but I was able to like shake myself out of it. Um, and then one time in Dexter Lake, Oregon, uh, or just right. Dexter Lake. I think that's right. Or am I just thinking Dexter and then it's next to Detroit Lake. Maybe that's what I'm thinking of. I don't know. I can't, I confuse them. Um, but in Oregon, I was camping again with my sister. We were above this lake and I didn't get messed with, but basically.

38:40 I woke up to this light that was. Illuminating the campground suddenly. And then I just see the silhouette of a Bigfoot walking between my tent and my sister's tent. And, um, and I, I freak out and I end up like, waking my sister up and she's like are you okay what's happening and I was like I just saw something and she's like okay are you alright and I was like yeah yeah it was just a dream but um I was recording on my phone like the voice note app and I go when I go home I listen to it and you ever hear people talk about like in the dream state it feels like a long time but really it's like very short sure I don't know that's that is what I've heard is that. you know you think that you've you dreamt almost like a lifetime and then you wake up and it's like you probably were only dreaming for like four minutes in that you know deep REM sleep cycle or whatever um but with this i actually heard a stick break Around the time, and I remember hearing that in.

39:52 My sleep paralysis state. I heard a stick break like something stuck on a stick and broke. And then it takes like two minutes. No, I'm sorry. And then I wait for the first vocal that I make that I'm freaking out in my sleep. to when I actually wake up. And I thought that that happened in a matter of like. Five seconds at most. I didn't feel. Like I was verbalizing trying to wake up for very long. And it was like two and a half minutes stretch. So it was strange. It was kind of the opposite in that moment where.

40:35 It actually was a sleep paralysis state that lasted longer rather than shorter. If that makes sense. I don't know, but I've gotten weird stuff like this where I just kind of get messed. With in my sleep. That is something that doesn't surprise me anymore. It's not enjoyable. Um, but you know, That's wild. I mean, I could, I could see that happen. I mean, Dexter's west of Oak Ridge, that's a wild area. And then Detroit Lake would be up by the Oregon Bigfoot highway. That's a wild area too. There's Bigfoot and dog man stuff up there. Both places, totally. So when their areas talked about, I always, so here's a question for you. How hard was it to drive to the cell site? How did that go for you guys?

41:26 Well, we chose like a sketchy route. Like if you, if anybody wants to go to Bluff Creek, Do not go up a road called Ishy Pishy. And I don't mean that's not like a made up word. It literally a sketchy road called Ishy Pishy. And there was a clue right away that we shouldn't. Go up that road. And we're like, oh, let's go. It turns out that there's like a three lane highway going up, totally paved, like a beautiful road to get up there. And that's how we came down. So super easy once you find the right road. And I mean, like a real road, like a super awesome paved road.

42:08 And I think it takes about an hour from the main highway to get up there because you know, you can't go fast, very accessible, super accessible. So definitely like prepare yourself though. Like it sounds fun to go see where Patty walked, you know, it's a track. Like if you don't have the right car to get down to where Patty walked, you're not going, you're going to walk your happy little, you know what down there. And we filmed ourselves backpacking out of that place. And, um, it was a, it was a trial getting out of there. Like you see me huffing and puffing and, um, it was super, yeah. You want to go definitely like in the fall, like keep it cool.

42:52 Right. So anyway, it's, it's something everybody that's in the Bigfoot should definitely try to do. Now you talked earlier. About, um, who showed up at, uh, Sasquatch Summerfest that was of interest, MK Davis, uh, um showed up again and mk of course is known for enhancing the pg. Film and really one of the first people to do it now mk has different theories about what's. Going on at bluff creep and the old footage and that makes. Him controversial but um that dude um he's been down there like 15 or 20 times a lot and he believes that that's the incorrect site So I kind of want to go down there with new eyes to see where MK thinks this actual site happened, right? And see if it's any stranger. Yeah.

43:45 And while we were there, he showed us some. when we were at the Airbnb, he showed us this incredible footage. Oh yeah. A juvenile Sasquatch on the side of the trail, like waving its arm or something. Yeah. It looked like a primate. Yeah. It's somewhere in his, like he looked it up from his Facebook. So, I don't know if his Facebook is public. If you get a chance to talk to MK Davis, ask to look at his camera roll on his phone because he's got. Really cool stuff. He's one of the funniest guys. I got to go out in the woods with him and Ronnie and some other guys in 2025 up to Oak Hole.

44:29 He's one of the funniest dudes ever. I love that guy. The reason I bring up the The driving is to say this, um, cause I know some listeners are out there and like, that would be a great idea. I'm going to go to the cell site. Well, guys, there's some roads around there where like, if you don't have extra gas and you don't have extra tires, you're probably going to pop your tire or break your axle because it happens every year out there to multiple big footers. So please be aware. Uh, it can get pretty crazy really quick, even though there is a nice road in some places. So. Yes. this is part of my suicidal optimism kicking in right now just like go.

45:13 That's the quality i need to. Fix jeremiah. No i i had i used i sometimes i can be overly positive and then i was like oh people listen to this and don't realize that the oregon bigfoot highway could take them out if they're not prepared and you know it's a whole deal so which is another place but um Guys, that is fantastic. And just to remind you, so there'll be links in the show notes so you guys can check out the vlog to see for yourself what, you know, the visual part of what happened when Olympic Strange Days, they went down to Bluff Creek or Bluff Creep. And it's a really good one.

45:55 The other thing that I wanted to talk to you guys about, and if you are up for it, is I've picked up from different videos that you've been doing and et cetera, that you are having some weird stuff happen around home base potentially to do with Bigfoot or is, is that something that can be discussed? Totally. Um, so, well, we first moved in there. Um, what was it like end of winter last year? early spring and it didn't well so we're neighbors with uh richard moe and um he kind of let us know that you know during what do you say august through september something it's really active and we're like okay um but it ended up starting like mid-july and we noticed that when we go shoot episodes in, you know, different hotspot locations, when we come home, we set off the recorder and it all started with them. Like they kind of come in and start like throwing stuff at the, the mic head of the recorder. And we could literally, we had the windows open and the recorder was just going for a,

47:30 wood pile maybe like 20 feet away or something like that and so we assumed you know they can hear us and we'd be like oh could you could you throw a dirt clod at the mic header could you throw or hit it harder because they'd either tap it or throw something at it and um but they would do it and so we knew that we were you know talking and experiencing something that was you know, intelligent and that was actually engaging with us. Um, and then I think around, I think it was maybe it's August, uh, we caught language and it wasn't very late in the night that we captured it.

48:17 But at first when I heard. It, like reviewing the, the audio, I thought, gosh, this kind of sounds like kind of humans. And then it keeps going and it sounds kind of like First Nations talk or there's like percussive. Beats between it and whistles. And we're like, oh, my gosh, this is language. And I think that we I think we have that to share. Yes, we definitely do. Let's let's cue that up here. So I'm going to go ahead and play that here.

49:16 And that's weird that's weird as I'll get a. Yeah. And we definitely caught some shorter stuff as well, like little grunts or one of them kind of sounds like a predator a little bit, which is weird because when Tobe was down living and researching Al Moon, he caught a very similar sound. So there was some good crossover there, but The main. Thing we noticed is that, I don't know, I. Think to some extent, Tobe had a little bit more consistency in terms of like maybe knowing that when you set the recorder up in the shop down at Al Moon, you'd almost be certain you were going to get something versus where we were at. At home, we almost had to like do different experiments to, you know, like get their interest and maybe get them to come in and they play with the recorder for a while at the woodpile, but in terms of getting language again, or to that extent, or, um, I don't know if it, if it died down a little bit, if we did a new experiment, whether it was like playing the whale sounds, that's the night we got the language.

50:35 Um, or we would set out. Little trinkets to see what they do. Uh, they've never taken food. Um, And then, what was it? I think things died down a little bit, you know, during the holiday season. We were kind of going through some personal stuff and a little distracted. We stopped recording as much. But then, like, come January or February. We started catching. What we call the Midnight Screamer, and we've actually caught this thing on multiple occasions, and I think I've uploaded them to, like, our Patreon. We have, like, a little archive of sounds and audio. And this, I don't know what it is. I'm assuming it's Bigfoot because it doesn't sound like any animal that, you know, we've heard before and what should be out around there. I've shown it to a that are local here and they're like, I've never heard anything like that. So I think that was another one we shared with you.

51:43 Yes. Let's check it out. Yep.

52:48 Have you, you've heard that live then or just recorded? Yeah. The first time for us, um, I mean, it could have gone off before then that we just didn't happen to catch it, but, um, I didn't really explain this fully, but so, you know, we put our recorder on the wood pile about 20 feet away, but, um, Joe does this, has done this since the Al Moon days where he hooks a really long, uh, ox cord. All the way from. Outside where the recorder is to inside on a big speaker so that we can, you know, fall asleep to listening to like what's going on outside or just, you know, stay up and listen to it.

53:29 And this is how we found that it was happening. And do you want. To mention, you want to tell the story about hearing it the first time? So, When we were sleeping, we would occasionally wake up to weird sounds like metal banging sounds that made no sense. Like something was throwing sheet metal and there'd be no sheet metal around. Definitely would knock sounds like Louisville sluggers right outside, mainly in the daytime, oddly enough, sometimes at night. And then what you just heard, um, Allie's just like, I want to hear this with my own freaking ears. And I'm like, okay, let me.

54:09 Get myself out of bed and then let's do this. And, um, cause why not? Right? Like it's coming through, it's right outside. It's coming through your living room through its speaker. Why not? And as soon as we get outside, we start to approach the sound because the sound's coming closer and it's sounding more and more like a lonely man in the woods screaming. And, um, we get underneath the pine needles, dude. And the sound stops. It's like, as soon as that first branch went over our head, we entered into like the, um, you know, what is that called? Like when you, um, the mycelium, the mycelium effect, right?

54:50 Like all the roots of the tree, all the fungi, you know, think of like Avatar, like the network, the underground network of streaming services. Like we entered into that world. And I think it knew that we were there. Is that your opinion? Yeah. Because the timeliness of like, okay, let's go towards it. It went off for almost 20 minutes that we just stood there and listened. And it was incredible. It was the first time I'd ever heard like. A scream or howl with my own ears and then yeah like you said the second we made that decision and walked under the first branch it. Just you know what i mean jeremiah the mycelium of like the underground network of.

55:34 Plants oh yeah yeah definitely. And like And like, and we, we tripped the ring camera and it knew it like whatever it was doing. It wasn't about us. I don't think, I think it was like trying to reach out to another one or maybe it was, you know, I don't know what it was, dude. I mean, it was a crazy sound, but it is like right there by the power lines. Like there is a power line network where this is happening. We should mention that like wherever there's, going on, there seems to be a power line and a creek nearby. And maybe that's where. People also build houses, right? Like they need power lines for them, you know, for. Phone service and whatnot.

56:14 But these are like major power lines, like a whole network of, you know, work and infrastructure goes into building something like the Bonneville power line that goes behind the Al Moon. I don't know what this one is attached to, but... um anyway so profound stuff happening at home still happening a little bit but it is not happening at all like last year like ali's sitting on a couple of things here and um she's sitting on a uh on a video we didn't send you this video But we probably should have a thermal hit, a FLIR thermal hit of a cold signature of an upright figure running across the road in front of us. She's also responsible for recording the sound that you have here of the runner, we call it, because something... runs right past our recorder on two legs and um it's bipedal it's super fast um it sounds like it's exploding through i don't know like a bamboo fence or something like that it sounds like hollow wood but that doesn't make any sense because we just have like a cedar pile so uh you can play that sound i have no idea what that is That's weird, man.

57:49 Yeah. And in the original recording, you can almost hear it like banking around a corner as well. And as it just slowly fades out. But that actually happened the night after we caught the screams that you played before this. So that was like, I think it was January 17th. And then this was literally the next night. And the creepy part about this audio is we had... recorder running and about like. 2.30 in the. Morning it goes silent and usually if we don't have the recorder on we're playing some kind of like white noise or have a fan going and Tobe's sensitive to like the silence that'll wake him up so he heard it like turn off and so he gets.

58:38 Up and he's like oh I gotta go change the batteries. Out on the recorder side so he goes outside the back door to the wood pile and replaces the batteries and comes back in and we lay down for maybe, maybe five minutes, like neither of us are fully asleep. And then that's when that thing breaks out and just like, bam, bam, bam, bam, followed by the running. And we both just sat up like, no way that thing had to have been right there waiting while you were changing those batteries. it was really creepy in. The moment yeah yeah you never know how close these things are because you never for the most part know they're there jeremiah like maybe they have one toe dipped into this realm and the rest of them is over in squashville sure um I just feel like they're mostly there and they're on vacation right now.

59:31 Like maybe we've got a couple like. Really extreme, extreme sounding like gunshot sounds close to us in the middle of the day, which make no sense. Um, And those were crazy. But for the most part, they're gone. I'm a little worried. Like, well, are you guys like hiding out from something that's about to happen? Right. Like, what's where'd you guys go? What do we need to know? But we did put out a I should say that we did. Put out a game camera. Actually, Rich put out a game camera to try to like deer hunt. And his game camera, he put some apples in front of it. So I tried to like bring in a deer and the apples were taken. The game cam was shifted and moved. And the IR sensor, which is, you know, how it's going to pick up, I'm sorry, the motion sensor was actually punctured with either an implement of.

1:00:29 Some kind or a finger or like something. Poked out the motion sensor of one of these cameras that he still has. And it's pretty remarkable because the pressure to put behind that to actually snap this lens. And now maybe this has something to do with things have simmered down is that we put out cameras and we never did that last year. That's one of the things. That was my guess. If I had had to guess for listener context and is is it OK to say this is happening in Washington? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Like Olympic Strange Days means, yeah, the Olympic Peninsula is probably the most wild place still, you know, unconquered by Bill Gates. It's readily available wildlife land where you can go out and still have a true blue adventure.

1:01:26 So, yeah, Washington State Olympic Peninsula. Awesome. Now, would you say the phenomenon that you have experienced, you kind of answered it a little bit, but would you say it's, it's primarily non-visual or have there been also visual accounts on the area or, or surrounding area? Yeah. So not for us. And the crazy part is just like, okay, with the runner, which was very obviously running on this like dirt road path next to our recorder and areas where we heard like these huge slams on like metal materials or boards falling like we heard all kinds of these physical sounds and then you go investigate and try to see if there's any type of you know remnants of that and there's absolutely.

1:02:28 Zero physical evidence that we have found. We have not found a single footprint. Like maybe one time we saw, well, maybe, maybe some handprints on like the car, but I mean, we go so many places sometimes. Oh, did that just happen at the site we just. Filmed or this home? And then there was like a pile of ash and there's possibly a But it also, you know, was about the shape and size of, you know, a human size. It wasn't anything extravagant. So it's just crazy. Like we should have had footprints of that thing running by.

1:03:08 Us or something. So a lot of dust, like fresh dust around us, like dusty roads, like, you know, picture like a dusty road in the desert or like an old Western town. Like these are the kind of old logging roads because our neighbors always out with an excavator and pushing debris around. So we, there's no footprints, dude. Like, There's no evidence that that. Was a man in sneakers either. We should say that. There is no evidence that we have someone coming and trespassing on the property at all. But we do have crossover of like everybody in the neighborhood, at least in our little small neighborhood, is turned from skeptics to believers about weirdness happening. Because the crossover effect of like getting EVPs, like there's a little ghost girl from last year saying, come up here, up here. And then there's a dog that passed away and the dog is heard like in the proximity where it was buried, like the next day barking, you know, an ethereal bark from Elvis, the little tiny dog that just died. And so there's some interesting pet cemetery crap happening out here too. Right.

1:04:24 So, yeah. That's wild. Well, And maybe the only thing we have that you would consider like physical evidence is the footage of what we call the shadow dasher. But even that technically doesn't really seem physical. I wish we could show it, but basically all the sounds we're talking about and the ones that we've shared, we have on an episode that is titled Cabin Fever. And it's not like the podcast style episodes we did. It would be even before that. And we sit down at the campfire outside our. Cabin and we talk about and share. These individual sounds and just like the evidence we've captured so far.

1:05:07 And we show the shadow dasher footage so people can go and watch that. But this thing, kind of like that thing above Bluff Creek, is it was ice cold. And it goes from looking like a Bigfoot just crouched on the side of the trail to. Getting up and running at such like a crazy speed. And I saw it with my own eyes, like on the monitor. And I freaked out because I was like, oh, that's not a bush that looks like the shape of the Sasquatch. That thing just got up and moved. And we continue, my little FLIR that plugs into my phone crashed. So we lost that footage, but luckily Tobe was recording my phone recording.

1:05:56 Phone screen while it was happening. Otherwise we would have never had that footage. But we go back. Yeah. And I, you know, reboot the clear and we're looking for it. And we see something that wasn't there before another cold spot. And it turns into like this floating triangle. It's just floating like maybe four or five feet up. It becomes, it becomes a UFO. Yeah. And then it goes back to being, like, maybe something more physically shaped like a Bigfoot, but it's, like, tucked off to the side, and then you just barely see it tuck out of sight. Like, yeah.

1:06:42 It was the weirdest thing ever. I don't know. I mean, it's remarkable evidence that, you know... If these things can do incredible, magical mountain monkey stuff, become shamans of the forest and cloak, this is proof that Allie caught on her flirt that they are a cold signature when they're doing this. They're basically sucking up the energy around them. This explains why you see ghosts and there's cold spots. People that have UFO abductions also explain this as well a lot of these orbs aren't warm signatures they're cold signatures when they see them and this is no different um so it's i mean after 20 years i've never seen anybody capture anything like what she caught and so are we going to be able to capture it again stay tuned because um we're going to start making sure that we're out at odd hours and seeing if maybe we can kind of like wake the beast right now coming out at two in the.

1:07:54 I love it. You guys are great in that. I feel that you're past the fear, but you also have the respect for things that need respect in this field. And there's many things that we should be aware of and respectful for. So you're definitely a good duo to follow with Olympic Strange Days. Guys, it has been a really fun conversation. Thank you so much for coming on and for sharing what happened down in Bluff Creek and on your property out there in the Olympic Peninsula. Uh, do you mind sharing, uh, for a few minutes, uh, just to make sure, you know, people are aware of, you know, how they can keep up to date with you. If there's a, something an individual wants to report in the Olympic peninsula that you guys can check out, or maybe that wants to talk to you, how can they get in touch with you?

1:08:52 Things like that. Yeah. Awesome. Um, so basically Olympic strange days, uh, you can get ahold of us through there. There's kind of like a contact page, but also just Olympic strange days at gmail.com is the best way. And, you know, our series is through a flashy. Beauty YouTube channel. And we were posting weekly. Every Thursday, but we're actually posting going to be shortening down to more like twice a month so like every other Thursday because we've just got so much going on and we're trying to finalize this this documentary that we've been working on over I don't know I think it's coming up to a little over a year now we've had to do a lot of different shots with it once we got a second witness and we're really excited.

1:09:48 About putting this. Out and we've kind of let people know that we had to rename it so we were going to call it like Howl 2 Secrets of Stout Grove but we've changed it to Howl Land and let's see we're going to be putting that out to people that contributed to like our road trip and making that whole. Shoot happen down in the Redwoods. You know we promised them that they'd get it first so We're aiming for Thanksgiving Day to make that available to contributors. And then stay tuned for updates as far as like the official release to the public. We kind of got to decide where we want to like distribute it and all that stuff.

1:10:34 But we're really excited. Yeah. And then, you know, you can follow us on Facebook as well. We like to post our events and let people know what's going on. Otherwise, anything I'm forgetting? No, stay cool. Enjoy the mystery, guys. And Allie and I will be out here. We're not going anywhere. Maybe we'll actually be coming out of state periodically to do our thing, too. So 2027, we'll see what's in store for us. All right. Sounds great. Thanks, guys, for hanging out. And we'll catch up with you later.

1:11:16 Okay. Thanks for having us. Bye, Jeremiah. Bye. A special thanks to Tobe and Alicia for being on the show today. If you've had a Bigfoot encounter of your own, I would love to hear from you. You can send me an email with your encounter at bigfootsociety at gmail.com. I've come out with a free report about the top 10 Bigfoot hotspots. You can go over to bit.ly forward slash BFS report. I'm Jeremiah Byron. Thanks for listening to Bigfoot Society, and I'll see you in the woods.