Oct. 4, 2025

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Season 1

What happens when a retired law enforcement officer from the Pacific Northwest finally speaks about the strange encounters that haunted her for decades — from her childhood home in Santa Rosa, California, to the wild forests of Oregon? In this eerie and compelling episode, we meet Liz — a straight-talking former cop who spent years rationalizing what she couldn’t explain. Until she couldn’t anymore. From the moment something loomed behind plate glass in the dead of night… to watching a hulking figure descend a moonlit hill… to being gifted a pristine turkey tail feather after asking aloud for one — Liz’s journey is filled with terror, mystery, and strange intelligence. You’ll hear firsthand accounts from Cloverdale, Montgomery Woods, Canyon Creek, and the Bryce Creek Trail — including primal screams in the night, unexplainable apparitions, and a chilling final moment when she realized: “These people are still around me.” This is more than just a Sasquatch story — it’s a look at how these encounters reshape our sense of reality.

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You're listening to BIGFA Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron. In

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this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to bring

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you first hand encounters from people who say they've seen

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something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers to

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quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere,

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and each one leaves us with more questions than answers.

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These are the voices of the people who've lived it.

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To settle in, because today you'll hear another account that

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just might change the way you see the woods forever.

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So stay with us, all right, Big for Society, But

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the privilege of talking to Liz today. Liz is a

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listener from the Pacific Northwest and also retired law enforcement,

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and she's got a few things that she would like

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to share that have happened to her on the show today.

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So welcome to the show, Liz. How are you doing?

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Thank you.

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I'm pretty good, fantastic it is. It's a good day

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out here. Hopefully you're having a good day as well.

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Talking a little bit before that, you know, you're just

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you're just glad to be able to get some of

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this out there in the air and be able to

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talk about it. So, yeah, I'm just glad that.

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You like a starter at hocktail parties, you know.

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Right, not your normal ones, although if you one or

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two out there, but yeah, your normal your normal ones.

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I totally get it.

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But I feel like I can I can talk to

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or just throw it out there too, and you know,

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and then I just sort of sit back and go.

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You know, if you think I'm a weirdo, so abit,

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it's no skin off my nose.

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Absolutely, you just kind of get to the point where, hey,

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it really happened. It doesn't it doesn't really matter how

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the other person feels. You know, it's still happened to

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you at the end of the day. But you know,

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feel free to to take us back to where this

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happened to you, when it happened, and what your experiencing,

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and and then we'll check about it afterwards.

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Okay, So the first couple of experiences happened and were

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really interesting, but but I didn't know what was happening.

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So I suppose at the time it would have been

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even worse if I had a clue what was going

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on or what I would seen. But like so many people,

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I think it wasn't until Finding Bigfoot came out and

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you know, twenty eleven or whenever it was that I

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kind of started putting things together and I was like,

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that's what happened, That's what that was. But anyway, that

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the first thing, and I still don't know what this was,

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but the first thing that would have been in about

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nineteen eighty seven or eighty eight thereabouts. And I grew

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up on a property outside of Sama Rosa, California, on

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San Rosa Creek, and we had about five acres out there,

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and as soon as I turned eighteen, I moved to

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a little studio out the build things that my father

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had originally built before he built our house, and so

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he and my mother had lived in that fully built

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a house which was one hundred yards away up the

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hill anyway. So it had slight glass windows that overlooked

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the creek and while there was like a flat area

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that sort of sloped down to the creek that it saw,

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and my bed was right in front of its windows.

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And so I was sleeping one night and I heard

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something walking around out in front of the windows, which

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wasn't unusual. And we had dear and you know whatever,

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all kind of scrutters out there, but it seemed heavier

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than a deer at the time, and so I kind

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of made note of, you know, oh, I wonder what

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that is, or just sort of Okay, there's something wandering

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around out there. But then I got this sense that

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there was something moving over me on the other side

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of the windows, and I just felt I don't know

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that I even felt terror so much as evil, So

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so I kind of started to think what it might

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have been, since I know other people with other things

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that kind of the spring of the feeling of evil.

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So I was just I was so pectified. I just

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laid there in a fetal position. My back had already

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been to the window, and I just laid there. So

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I still don't know what that was. I do have

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memories of having feelings growing up there that there was

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an area of the property that I just didn't go

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to by myself, and I had always felt kind of

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seeped out by it, and that area was behind the

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studio where I was living. In fact, I never really

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went even there was one area where I would kind

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of rush to go by it to get into the

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studio while I lived there anyway, So that was that

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one and in nineteen eighty nine or ninety there, my

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men and I were driving along the one on one

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one along the Breastlan River between Cloverdale and Totland, and

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it was night time, give me in the summer and nighttime,

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because the hills were all golden, the hills kind of went.

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It was kind of a river valley there, if you will,

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and so the hills rose fairly steeply one side I

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guess it would have been the east side of the highway,

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and there was road construction going on there at the time,

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and I remember there was a there was like a

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pull out there along the river somewhere with a big

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pile of like road based or gravel or something, and

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so he pulled off wanting to get Christy. So he

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pulled up and pulled behind the pile of gravel, and

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I remember, like, you know, started doing what young people do,

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and all of a sudden, I mean, we weren't there

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very long, and all of a sudden, I just looked out,

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you know, being in the in the wilderness, wort with

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stars and things didn't really treat me. We had been

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something so so it was not like me at all

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to feel the panic and I said, we got to

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get out here now, and he looked at me like

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this song with you, but he agreed. And as we

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were driving away, I looked up the hill and I

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could see sort of the storm coming down the hill.

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It must have been a phonement or close to it,

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because I think it was dark. But like the hills

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sort of in the summertime there they you know, they

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get yellow and the dead grass and the tennis blow

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in the moonway. So I saw this term and I

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was like, oh, there's a bear, Like, okay, interesting, I've

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never seen a bear here before. And so it's walking

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down this scairly steep hill and then it stood up

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and continued to walk down the hill on two legs,

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and then we were by it, so I sort of

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I had no real time to think, you know, what

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was that? It was? Oh a bear? Oh wait it

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stood up? What is what? And then we were gone

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And I had no understanding of what that was at

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the time, or not even enough understanding to be suspicious.

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The point was the time I was just you know,

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the brain just sort of went late hunt and then

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I sort of put it out of my mind. And

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so we saw finding Bigfoot and people started, you know,

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people were talking about the fear, and then I put

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it together, so that was kind of interesting. The other

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experience I had before re finding big Boots was about

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nineteen ninety nine at the Cloud River. I think we

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were I think we had hips to upper and we

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were coming back and there was oh, which is along

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the along the trail, and I got this had this

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monkey smell. I don't remember now exactly what it was.

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I was just like overcome with this nasty smell, and

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I assumed it was a bear because again I didn't

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know any better time, and maybe it was, but I

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had the super keeping feelings of being watch and was

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sort of moved along rather quickly along the trail. I was.

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I think I was ahead of my dad, who was

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listening anyway. So that was the That was the only

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other free finding Bigfoot experience. The next thing that happened,

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I think it would have been about two thousand and twelve,

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between twenty twelve twenty fourteen, maybe, and a friend of

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mine and I were hiking at Montgomery Woods in Sonoma County, California,

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and both of us out of the well we heard

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something off the trail and turned and looked and thought,

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just out of the corner of our eye before it disappeared,

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something sort of stuffling around under a I guess it

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would have been a redwood tree, and we both remembered

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seeing something kind of an u came colored. So we

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saw this thing with reddish their We just saw it

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out of our perporal vision, so it was almost like

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we saw it out of our crystal vision, both of

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them thought. But then it turned the face that it

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wasn't there, and we both said, where did that go?

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What was that? Where did it go? Let's go see

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what it was. And then as we're sort of chopping

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off trail to go try and figure out where we

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had seen it, I said, okay, that's that's a good idea,

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because we we thought, wait was that affair? And you

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know the old oh, it's a there, And so we

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kind of got closer to the area where it had

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been and suddenly got started thinking, you know, this isn't

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a good idea and turned around and walked back to

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the tail bit. But and again, it wasn't until I

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think I had started listening to podcasts about FoST quatch

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that I even put that together. And I called her

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and asked if she remembered what we had seen, and

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basically she remembered it as I've just told it. But anyway,

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so I told her, you know, so I guess what

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I think that was. She was kind of weirded out,

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but anyway, so now interestingly, it was about that time Braying,

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I believe, where my husband was on the camping trips

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around and came home from camping and related this incident.

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He was standing at the campground, an RB campground, but

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there were tents on one side and RB's on the other,

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and it was pretty late in the season, so he

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was over in the tent area by himself, and he

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said at about two or three in the morning, he

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woke up to some like tremendously loud scream and it

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was utterly terrifying. He described feeling it like in his

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death and wanting to make a run for his trust

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by not really being sure that he'd make it, so

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he just kind of stayed put and was frisen. And

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here I think he actually actually stayed out there second

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night anyway, but and I want to say it happened

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the second night too, and then he's like to be

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leaving and then it's typical of a lot of people,

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you know, like, we were talking about it, and I said,

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I said, well, you know, what did it sounds like, well,

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kind of sounded like those idiots on finding big Foot,

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and so I played different sounds for him, and you know,

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all kinds of others sounds, and I said, so it

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was a big pot. He goes, no, No, I don't know.

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I don't know what it was. I don't know what

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it was. And I'm like, dude, I played you know,

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cougar isn't open and all those things, and when I

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played big book call, yeah, it sounded more like that.

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I'm like, oh, uh huh, but you don't know what

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it was. Okay, you stick to that story anyway. So

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that was his experience, more information that people are gleaning

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as more people where lots of your listeners agree with anyway.

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Something about twenty twenty when we moved to a rural

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world property in Oregon. Oh. Actually, while we were in

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the process of moving, I was saying what my friend

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in France had and woke up at three in the

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morning and I heard a distance really really laughed. Oh.

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It was a long ways away, but it was so

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loud it was easy to discern, easy to hear. It

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wasn't faint, but it wasn't like splendering like it was

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super close either. Twenty twenty follow twenty twenty, we moved

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to found sixty miles that was the crow life away

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from Oakridge, Oregon. And because I've been listening to all

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the podcasts and you know, I know what they do

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to dogs and I have dogs. When we got to

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the property, it was we were in a small town,

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but on the outskits of the town, like we were

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the last three, you know, Ridge and and so I

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just sort of put out psychically into the universe, you know,

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blessings to you and your family. I don't wish you

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any harm, and these dogs and my family, and basically,

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you know, I need you to leave them alone. And

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if you don't, I know who to call. Two Raine

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Heroine you. I wanted to come in peace and keep

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welcoming that. I also wanted to let them know that

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I wanted to be through with, you know, if there

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was anybody around, you know, I don't know if that

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was a good thing or opened up some sort of whatever.

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They realized that I'm just somebody who knew about them.

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So I drove up one day did I have and

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heard I wouldn't another time there. My primary bedroom overlooked

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the hill going the back to the back of the party,

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and I couldn't take my eyes off back. Felt like

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it just always that felt like maybe there was something

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creeping there or just something that I was like, I

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just didn't stop looking. There was a lot of brush

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on the property. I was sitting at the back of

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the property. You didn't have a very far line of

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sight until we had the brush cleared. So a friend

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of mine and I were sitting at the back of

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property and they would say, you haven't seen this end

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the visit, and you were saying, wow, so we need

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to But yeah, you know, the feathers were really cool.

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They plan them with I could gather some sail feathers.

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I was just getting the one from the wings that

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they drunk for work, but I'd really love to have,

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you know, through tail feathers. This was a really pretty one.

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And so anyway I'm getting think of it. We had

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the brush work done and then within about a week

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the brush seemed cleared. It was about two weeks after

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when I visit Galling where I picked up the nail.

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I was driving down the Langley one day and there

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was this brown thing sort of blowing in the breeze

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down where I always stopped to get the nail. So

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I stopped and I thought, what is that the litter

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of whatever? So you had to pick it up? And

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it was the whole inside and I don't watch call it,

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you know, the iridescence. So I picked it up and

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I was like, instantly I remembered that I had made

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that comment. It was like, so I just like, well,

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you know, thank you. It were all together. I mean,

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it wasn't like something had shred of a turkey and

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there were just you know, feathers everywhere. It was a

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complete Sometime around then, they went on a hike with

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friends Pottage Growth and we're hiking along the trail to the water,

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and it was there was a group of us and

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one of the people in the group was really excited

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to be on the route hike, and they were kind

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of running back and forth and loudly guiding the hike

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and just we're excited and really loud and bridge and

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and there was kind of a little shoe on one side,

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and all of a sudden I got this sense there

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was this presence. Yeah, was like right next to me,

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like wrongly demanding to know what disturbance look about in

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my head, you know, And I got the feeling that

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something sort of turned on the feel and but so

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that was weird. It's kind of a phrase that's been

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punctuating the last few years of my life. Oh that

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was weird, the last thing that happen. Oh no, I thought,

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that's right. I was looking at so after we got

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the breast weird, I was looking bedroom window one day.

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I can't remember what time of day it was, but

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and I saw lost something that russ. What I in

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what my brain said was, oh, that was a turkey

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that just flew away. But like that trajectory, like if

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there was a turkey or a chicken that was, you know,

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standing in one stuff and then just sort of fluttered

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up and away because they don't go really high, you know,

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they just sort of foot along just above a crown.

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But it was kind of that's trajectory. And but it

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was faster than that. But I think it's a complete blur.

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And I hadn't heard that described yet, I don't think

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in any of the podcasts that I listened to. But

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then I did start hearing this so then it was

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likely again, and I asked a native elder the line

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who said, just real off handedly, oh yeah, that's them

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going between dis mentioned. Oh okay, say it with me.

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That was weird anyway. So and the last thing that

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happened there was my husband was gone and my son

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were on a stript and I was just going to sleep.

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And I mean, I don't know what this could have

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been a dream. I don't know, but my memory is

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that I was just sort of starting to drink drift off,

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and I had this vision as like the old TV

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screens that flared the snow and the silhouette.

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My goodness, So how how how recent again was when

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you you saw the like TV screen with the silhouette.

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That would have been somewhere around when two And then

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we moved and I don't have to deal with that anymore.

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We moved it. We moved to the thing.

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Okay, gotcha. So you moved to an area in the city.

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Now there's nothing because you're inside city limits.

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And all that. Yeah, well we're in the largest stay

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in Washington, Okay. So yeah, and then I and then

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I looked up and I thought, oh great, Like the

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most sightings are in the Washington like, oh great, right,

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great boy.

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Well, I mean, yeah, you're right, they totally are. And

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it does depend where you are, but yeah, that state

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is definitely number one. You said something really quick.

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I'm pretty much close to a bull eyg. But I

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don't really go out, gotcha. I hurt. I hurt my

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back when we were living in in Oregon, so I

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don't take anymore very far so, so I just words

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stay to the sidewalk short that you know aren't very

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far out. So and I certainly don't think anymore.

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You had said really quick, and I think you were

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referring to the Bigfoot when you said it, or a sasquatch.

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You said these people is were you're referring to them

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when you said that. Yes, So I'd be interested to

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note what was it that you you meant by when

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you refer to them as these people are? I guess

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that kind of leads into what is your thinking when

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you think of of sasquatch what they are?

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Yeah, there are people, you know, I don't I'm not

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an anthropologist, but you know, there's just they're not a monkey.

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They seem to have a language, they communicate with one another,

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They communicate with us, so I wouldn't know how else

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to characterize them.

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Gotcha, the property where there was a lot of really

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weird stuff happening or starting to happen, Like you found

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the turkey feathers in the tail the tail of the

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turkey feathers, which is really interesting. Did anything else, Did

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anything ever happen inside the house or did it seem

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to there's almost like a barrier where stuff inside you're good,

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but outside maybe a little weird.

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Nothing happened in the house. And I've lived in houses

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where we've had paranormal activity before, so one of it

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seems to be a magnet for that. So we didn't

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have anything happen in There were lots of windows, and

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so I always kind of self and not a lot

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of window coverings because the windows always felt a little

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creaked out. I kept the windows or I kept the

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blindstron as soon as evening hit in my bedroom. But yeah,

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it felt like there was felt like there was a barrier.

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Gotcha. Did the bigfoot stuff happen first for you or

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did the paranormal stuff start to happen first in your life?

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Yeah, that's big foot stuff. I didn't notice any paranormal

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anything when I was a kid. So my husband is

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an EmPATH and I've later had someone tell me that

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I was also. But I think given my career path

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and the fact that you know, if you're in law enforcement,

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you if you are an impath, you have to shut

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that down real quick. And I definitely set that down

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early in my career, so I had kind of I mean,

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I think my emotions were shut down for a long time.

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My enpartmentalized, you know, way of hoping with life in general.

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H but the emotions were pretty set down, So I

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don't know that I would have felt a whole lot

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the tour normal stuff that I experienced in in our

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home was years before. It was pretty obvious and it

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was I mean that it happened to all of us,

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we all know, including the dogs.

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Oh wow, did the Bigfoot activity? Did that become more

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prevalent after you were done with law enforcement or was

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that kind of I'm trying to see if maybe there's

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you know, you had you had shut down being an

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empass during your law enforcement years and then I'm guessing

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there's a point where you retired and then you kind

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of were able to open that up a bit.

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Yeah, definitely, I retired in twenty fifteen. And so the

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fightings that I had early on, well, let's see, first,

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my first experience was before I got into law enforcement.

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The second experience was just about the time I was

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starting in law enforcement. We have the fear and the

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fighting and the others. Let's see the along the McCloud

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river that was early in my career, and all of

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those were really the ones where I felt something as

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opposed to, you know, the one that was later in

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my career and near the end of my career was

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exciting out of the corner of my eye. I didn't

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get a feeling about anything. It was just a visual

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visual So yeah, I mean at the point, the more

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close interaction you know that I had in more recent

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years were long.

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And have you ever checked with anyone else that would

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have been in the house that you had that vision

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with the silhouette of the sasquat shape. I guess that

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probably would have been your husband would have been in

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the same house and your son. Did you ever check

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with them to see if they had similar experiences?

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Oh? No, I mean I didn't want to freak out

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my son. You know, my husband probably would have said

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something because well, I don't know. No, I haven't asked

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them implicitly. I'll do that and get back to you

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if you haven't been interesting for me. But they both

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just sort of, you know, regard my my sasquatch fascination,

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as you know whatever, mom's quirky, stupid, whatever. So I

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don't really talk to him a whole lot about it.

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I mean I have passed in my kids about them

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and about other things that they might run into in

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the woods. One of my my boys had a career

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in there was a career that's going to take him

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into the woods a lot, and he spent a lot

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of time out in the forest, and so I wanted

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to kind of explain to him what's out there, and

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you know, basically, if you believe me, you believe me,

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and so we kind of had some conversations about it.

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He sort of looked at me at a stance when

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I started trying to bring it up to him, because

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he's been out and it was a lot and didn't

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have any kind of obvious experience. But then I think

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he kind of started listening to me a little and

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so I think he I think he said he heard

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a whistle one time that he thought was a little weird,

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and I'm like, yeah, well, don't whistle back right now then,

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So yeah, I was interesting. And then the other one,

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the younger one, and the older one is pretty, and

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the younger one I know has had has since turn

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almost before as well. M hm. He's kind of emotion

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league guarded and dying and himself, I know when he

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was younger, definitely, we had looked at a house to

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buy and he said, no, I got a creepy room,

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and there's not buy that one. And so I was like,

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all right, I'm going to listen to that after we

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had already had the experience with the other house. You know,

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it's certainly going to listen to his advice. But anyway, so,

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oh my gosh, I'm sorry I was, and I thought,

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where're going with that? Anyway? So I talked to him too,

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and because he he wants to go into a line

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of work that is now going to pestentually have him

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out in the in the woods, So so I've talked

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to him about them too, and I think I want

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to say that the first one, look, I've seen one

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of these things, don't you know, Like I'm not just crazy,

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you know, if I told you I thought a four

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hundred pounds, you know, black bear, you'd believe me, right right?

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I was like, yeah, So I said, well I saw

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the said here's exactly what I thought. You tell me

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what it was. And so anyway, so I think they

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believe me. But they also, like you know, they're a

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young man. They have to see something to believe it

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if it's unbelievable. But I said, you know, I'm going

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to tell you about it, and so that if you

461
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do say something or having experience, at some point, you'll

462
00:30:45.079 --> 00:30:47.960
know what's going on and you'll know how to hate

463
00:30:47.960 --> 00:30:53.079
even what to do with at least as best we know. Yeah,

464
00:30:54.000 --> 00:30:55.519
and I think that's hope for the best.

465
00:30:55.759 --> 00:30:57.799
I think that's good that you know you're doing that

466
00:30:57.920 --> 00:31:01.880
as as a mom. I mean, you know this. The

467
00:31:01.960 --> 00:31:04.480
things are out there, they're going out into the woods,

468
00:31:04.480 --> 00:31:06.920
and so you're kind of putting that out there. Even

469
00:31:06.960 --> 00:31:09.960
though they may look at you a little funny, it's

470
00:31:10.000 --> 00:31:13.680
still important to you. And I think that's good that

471
00:31:13.680 --> 00:31:18.400
that you did that. For sure, did you ever wish

472
00:31:18.480 --> 00:31:23.640
you had made another decision? You were talking about the

473
00:31:23.200 --> 00:31:25.920
the vision of the screen with the silhouette, and you

474
00:31:25.960 --> 00:31:28.720
were kind of like you shut it all down. Do

475
00:31:28.759 --> 00:31:31.039
you ever wish that would have played out differently? Or

476
00:31:31.039 --> 00:31:34.400
do you feel confident in the decisions that you made?

477
00:31:36.160 --> 00:31:39.839
Just curious? I mean, I won't say I'm not curious,

478
00:31:39.880 --> 00:31:44.119
but I don't need to. I don't need to cultivate

479
00:31:44.160 --> 00:31:50.480
that relationship. I got you. If that's funny.

480
00:31:51.640 --> 00:31:55.839
You had mentioned Cottage Grove really quick, which is a

481
00:31:55.960 --> 00:31:59.440
really active area. Then you mentioned you were you were

482
00:31:59.480 --> 00:32:01.240
out there making dire waterfall?

483
00:32:02.400 --> 00:32:02.799
Is that?

484
00:32:03.759 --> 00:32:07.799
Are there any more details you can provide about the

485
00:32:07.839 --> 00:32:11.279
area that you were in outside of Cottage Grove.

486
00:32:12.920 --> 00:32:15.799
Let me see if I can. I can't remember the

487
00:32:15.880 --> 00:32:17.920
name of the trail. I'd be happy to share the

488
00:32:17.960 --> 00:32:24.799
name of the trail. But drove by Therena Lake, I think, yeah,

489
00:32:26.559 --> 00:32:32.759
and it was the waterfall. I want to say there

490
00:32:32.839 --> 00:32:35.400
was a lower and a Brice Creek trail for a

491
00:32:35.440 --> 00:32:41.759
Brice Creek, Yeah, Brice Creek. Okay, Brice Creek all for

492
00:32:44.279 --> 00:32:48.599
kin go on trying to see I want to say

493
00:32:48.920 --> 00:32:55.000
Bright Creek trail. Okay, that for a lower trail. I

494
00:32:55.039 --> 00:32:58.039
could totally be making that up, but I want to

495
00:32:58.079 --> 00:33:00.759
say it was it was along there somewhere, Okay, cool?

496
00:33:00.880 --> 00:33:01.519
Cool, thank you.

497
00:33:02.319 --> 00:33:06.599
We weren't helping to the upper falls. Gotcha. Gotcha?

498
00:33:07.200 --> 00:33:11.599
Do you feel good at the place that you are now,

499
00:33:11.720 --> 00:33:14.599
where you're in an area where things kind of settled

500
00:33:14.640 --> 00:33:16.720
down you don't have to worry about it, or do

501
00:33:16.759 --> 00:33:19.480
you kind of wish that there was still stuff that

502
00:33:20.240 --> 00:33:21.960
you would experience at times?

503
00:33:23.160 --> 00:33:25.160
No. I actually kind of had a weird experience the

504
00:33:25.279 --> 00:33:28.240
other night, which I hope is a dream, but I

505
00:33:28.279 --> 00:33:32.720
don't know. I don't know what it was. Two nights ago,

506
00:33:33.720 --> 00:33:39.240
I was in that I don't sleep really well often. Yeah,

507
00:33:40.200 --> 00:33:43.839
so I think I was dosing back off or something

508
00:33:43.920 --> 00:33:48.880
had awakened me. I'm not sure anyway, So then I

509
00:33:48.920 --> 00:33:52.319
thought I heard somebody giving them in garden, which is

510
00:33:52.640 --> 00:33:57.480
right behind my wall, my bedroom wall. It was like

511
00:33:57.559 --> 00:34:01.799
if somebody drove a kick into the ground. It sounded

512
00:34:01.880 --> 00:34:04.400
like that there's something mean from one direction. And then

513
00:34:04.440 --> 00:34:08.320
it's my son's yelling in his room on a discorder

514
00:34:08.360 --> 00:34:15.159
or something. But anyway, so there that and don't kind

515
00:34:15.199 --> 00:34:19.280
of felt like it's tingling that started at the top

516
00:34:19.320 --> 00:34:23.920
of my head and sort of went down to my shoulders.

517
00:34:24.679 --> 00:34:28.039
And when we had permoral experiences before, and that's that's

518
00:34:28.119 --> 00:34:33.920
what I've experienced that tingling, and so I kind of

519
00:34:33.960 --> 00:34:39.400
tried to like psychically set it there room they know,

520
00:34:40.199 --> 00:34:43.760
and it for a second and then continued down my

521
00:34:43.840 --> 00:34:47.199
body and just sort of partalyized.

522
00:34:46.760 --> 00:34:50.920
Down that that is extremely interesting. It sounds like you

523
00:34:51.000 --> 00:34:54.000
have a something in mind that you'll be doing to

524
00:34:54.639 --> 00:35:00.079
probably work against those whatever potentially is going on. Do

525
00:35:00.159 --> 00:35:01.760
you know the history of the house as well?

526
00:35:03.960 --> 00:35:07.679
Yeah, pretty much. I mean there's yeah that that neighbors

527
00:35:07.679 --> 00:35:11.519
who has been here for since the place was best,

528
00:35:12.519 --> 00:35:16.800
So there's no weird or creepy history or anything. We

529
00:35:16.960 --> 00:35:21.559
haven't been having paranormal experiences since we've been here, thankfully.

530
00:35:23.800 --> 00:35:33.559
My husband had a little something a while that I

531
00:35:33.960 --> 00:35:38.159
at least might've on a regular basis with different different

532
00:35:38.760 --> 00:35:47.880
stuff tobacco and either they duty, But it was it

533
00:35:48.000 --> 00:35:52.360
was odd to me that I've heard an almost you know,

534
00:35:52.519 --> 00:35:56.159
like immediately before this thing happened. And then and I

535
00:35:56.360 --> 00:36:03.079
kind of about the since you know, the feeling overtaking. Yeah,

536
00:36:03.320 --> 00:36:11.119
I almost the sense that it was or like it

537
00:36:11.280 --> 00:36:16.239
was like it was scary, but I didn't feel like

538
00:36:16.360 --> 00:36:18.199
it was a level.

539
00:36:20.920 --> 00:36:23.719
Feels like there's a pattern of your constantly keeps something

540
00:36:24.159 --> 00:36:27.920
constantly keeping something at bay and just like no, just

541
00:36:28.079 --> 00:36:32.480
get out of here, but just kind of keeps coming up.

542
00:36:33.119 --> 00:36:36.280
I don't know, I and not that it's my job

543
00:36:36.320 --> 00:36:38.719
to figure this figure out what's going on, either, but

544
00:36:38.880 --> 00:36:42.079
I just it's very intriguing. I feel like it's it's

545
00:36:42.159 --> 00:36:46.079
not a story that that finished when you guys left

546
00:36:46.519 --> 00:36:49.639
to go to Washington, if you need to get what I mean,

547
00:36:50.199 --> 00:36:54.480
I feel like there's other stuff. Probably Big Fort itself

548
00:36:54.519 --> 00:36:56.639
is a mystery, but you get deeper into it, and

549
00:36:56.679 --> 00:37:01.320
then there's these other mysteries, and which is you know,

550
00:37:01.360 --> 00:37:04.519
what's the connection? You see these patterns where it's like

551
00:37:04.840 --> 00:37:08.960
someone has interaction or sighting and it might open up

552
00:37:09.000 --> 00:37:12.639
other things. Why does it do that? Why is it

553
00:37:12.679 --> 00:37:15.440
all connected? And I don't know if we'll ever really

554
00:37:15.519 --> 00:37:18.159
figure it out. But the way that you said that

555
00:37:18.239 --> 00:37:21.599
psychic was talking, you know, I've also heard other people

556
00:37:21.760 --> 00:37:26.400
in the community say similar things, where you know, you

557
00:37:26.440 --> 00:37:31.679
could be opened up to two different things in the realms.

558
00:37:31.719 --> 00:37:34.360
But the good thing is it sounds like you have

559
00:37:34.920 --> 00:37:38.760
a way to kind of protect against it, which I

560
00:37:38.800 --> 00:37:42.519
think is important. And maybe that'll be different things for

561
00:37:42.559 --> 00:37:47.280
different people, depending on what your background is. But yeah, Liz,

562
00:37:47.320 --> 00:37:51.440
this has been a really really interesting conversation. Thank you

563
00:37:51.519 --> 00:37:54.719
for you know, walking us through what you've experienced in

564
00:37:54.760 --> 00:37:58.559
your life, and I hope it was it was helpful

565
00:37:58.559 --> 00:38:01.760
for you to be able to put everything out there

566
00:38:02.400 --> 00:38:05.400
and allow us to listen to it. But I just

567
00:38:05.440 --> 00:38:08.199
hope that things continue to go well for you and

568
00:38:08.239 --> 00:38:11.239
that you continue to have a handle of what is

569
00:38:11.760 --> 00:38:13.800
going on. And I want to make sure as well

570
00:38:13.840 --> 00:38:16.599
that you were able to share everything that you wanted

571
00:38:16.599 --> 00:38:17.280
to share today.

572
00:38:18.400 --> 00:38:20.920
Yeah, really appreciate the chat.

573
00:38:21.920 --> 00:38:25.000
Fantastic. If anything else does come up, feel free to

574
00:38:25.320 --> 00:38:28.079
reach out. You've got my contact info and you can

575
00:38:28.119 --> 00:38:31.000
always reach out at a later time. I'd love to

576
00:38:31.039 --> 00:38:32.159
hear from you again.

577
00:38:33.079 --> 00:38:35.320
True Well, thank you so much, Jeremia, You take care.

578
00:38:36.440 --> 00:38:38.320
Thank you for listening to this episode of The Big

579
00:38:38.519 --> 00:38:41.599
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580
00:38:41.599 --> 00:38:44.719
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581
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