They’re Not Supposed to Be Here — But I Saw One!

0:00 You're listening to Big for Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron. In this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to bring you first hand encounters from people who say they've seen something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers to quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere, and each one leaves us with more questions than answers. These are the voices of the people who've lived it. To settle in, because today you'll hear another account that just might change the way you see the woods forever. So stay with us, all right, Big for the Society. We have the privilege of talking to John today. John is an outdoorsman and amateur filmmaker who reached out to me about some things he's experienced and maybe even heard from southern California. So welcome to the show. John. How are you doing today, sir?

0:47 I'm doing okay. How you doing, Jeremiah? Thank you for having me in advance here. It's good to be able to share a few things here with you. Absolutely, the area southern California doesn't get brought up a lot on the show, so it's exciting to have you on to hear what is going on down there. I think maybe the most we've heard down there is Crestline and Lake Arrowhead has come up a few times down there by San Bernardino. But I'm sure there's more going on than just that, for sure. Oh yeah, there's a there's it's just in silly terms. I call it like a little desert triangle because where you just mentioned it's just about west of me, and it's just this thing that happens this often. But for starters from back what you said right now, I was the same way. I didn't know, and it wasn't until later on and we'll get into that where I actually was like looked at the Bigfoot map online. I'm not sure if it was BFRO, but I think it's just the Bigfoot map. But yeah, there's dots all over the place, all through here, and then that obviously opened up the wormhole and it's pretty cool. Actually, it goes all the way back to the sixties and stuff, So it's wild.

1:53 Yeah, absolutely, So what got you into the subject to begin with? John? It's silly, and I'm glad that we're having this this episode here, because one thing to get before we get started. Every time. I'm a huge fan of this and it didn't start it didn't start like that at all, but just in a nutshelly but I noticed that anytime, you know, when the desert came up, I don't know it just I set my fork down when I'm listening to the show, I'm like, desert sasquashed. I heard that a few different times, and it was like something that just never got expanded on. And I was just fascinated by that day. And I was telling myself early on, does that mean there's rogue ones out here? Are there families? There couldn't be families because there's not a whole lot of places to hide. And then anyway, so it's pretty It just definitely opened up a big wormhole for once you see all those little dots show up on the map. But for me, in short, it was back in the I'm in my forties or whatever, but way back eighties and nineties we would always overhear my pops and my uncle kind of talking about this Procter Valley place, Proctor Valley. The only thing I knew at the time was Harry and the Henderson's.

2:52 Maybe I don't even think that was out yet, but we'd always hear about this place called Procter Valley. That was the first creepy kind of sign of any sort of weird act like that, and they would always mention how people would go out there and party. I'm pretty sure it's all homes now, but there was always creepy stories like that, big things that people would see out there, and that right away always kept my ears up. But after that, even then, as a kid and getting into my teenage years, I was always pretty pretty adamant about it. That sort of thing, if it even exists, is only going to be up in Norcow. I've heard a lot of your guests say that before, and that was me too. I was like, I only thought Norcow. And anyways, life just glitches and does what it does, especially being in Socow. We surf, we skate, we get crazy, we party too much, and if we're lucky to make it out, which I was.

3:35 Then this thing happened, and I'm not sure if you want to ask me a few more questions before we get started, but right around twenty nineteen, something very big happened that kind of started this whole journey. In a nutshell, I'd say, we can get right into it. This sounds very interesting. Cool in a nutshell. Yeah, Like I said, that was way back in the day, and the fast forward through life and girlfriends and everything else I got. I'm very open about saying this. I got really heavy into partying and taking everything that was in front of me and just being a big dummy and having fun, and that's all part of it. There was a little window. I stopped everything in two twelve, and then I was still on medication for anxiety and stuff. That little monkey turned into a gorilla on my back in a nutshell, and I went to a rehab kind of place, got all cleaned up, and right around twenty nineteen, I was just really getting bored to going to meetings and hearing everybody saw story. So I was just like, okay, cool, we need a hobby. I instantly just said, okay, I'm gonna go get an our seat truck. I went and got an our seat truck. I it was a scale RC thing at the time. People were hiking with them. It was a great community, very positive. When you could be wrenching on a little when you normally you'd be partying.

4:42 Now I'm just wrenching on this little truck. And it was a great outlet. I just needed something to fill that void. It's a beautiful and a crazy thing over time would happened. So what that did for me was basically I set down a phone on a water bottle and I made a little video and I posted it and then boom, it blew up. So that became this addiction, not just because it was a hobby, but it was really this just void and I had to keep doing it. It really was another monkey turning into a gorilla, but it was a healthy one. So what that did for me was pretty much just put me outside three hundred and sixty five days a year, literally rain or shine, any holiday, because I wanted the algorithm to love me early on, and I'm just trying to be that guy just having a bunch of followers and having fun. And then I was going to start a little YouTube thing. Anyways, Basically it was just being outside. But where I was at in twenty nineteen at the time, it was low desert, so you have to go on these little cruises to go find the real boulders, to go rock crawling with these little things, and it was cool and it still is.

5:39 It's basically making little videos that look completely realistic, and you got these little trucks, and then when you're done getting all this footage, you hop in your vehicle and you go home. But you know, it wasn't until a little by little, as that page was building and I'm outside and I'm sunburned, or it's pouring rain in the winter, and I would slowly start to get a little feel. I never thought about sasquatching nothing, but I found my off Often to find these rocks, I'd have to be miles and miles away from homes and stuff. So there was a particular moment that I had. I'm out there and basically just filming and frustrated. I'm trying to get the shot, trying to get as much footage as I can at this new particular item or these new axles that somebody was giving me for free, making like a little commercial form. So it was almost like a job too.

6:23 It was great, but little by little I started feeling watched, and that started. Why am I feeling paranoid out here? It's beautiful? And that started, like they had. Occasionally, I'd maybe get a little pebble that would just fall out of nowhere, and I'd be like, what was that. I wasn't really open to that sort of thing at the time, so I'm just going, Okay, maybe that was just a bird flew over with a big old pebble. I don't know. There wasn't until this particular time where I saw these rocks over this area of tall brush. By the way, excuse my terminology. My brother hunts a lot, but I'm not much into hunting, so I don't know terminology about certain types of brush and stuff. But basically the brush was probably seven eight feet maybe nine feet tall in this big old area. But beyond that brush, I saw these big, old, white, beautiful rocks. I'm like, blue sky white rocks, tires gripping will make a nice little satisfying video, maybe get a bunch of views. Just being my nerdy cell trying to stay out of trouble. And that's where it started. So I went into there, and right when I entered with my truck, and it's funny looking back, I can only imagine these sasquatch and maybe a young one going what is that? What is that guy doing out here with this little trucks? And I don't know, I just always got this feeling, but it wasn't until this place that I walked in and instead of just going around and walking through right away, after about seven feet in, I found myself in this kind of a tunnel instead of just going straight to the rocks. Excited like an eight year old, I stopped and I'm looking around and I felt like I was in an area where something passes through. And I'm really smart with mountain lion vibes and footprint and whatnot or hoofprints and whatnot,

7:54 but it was all pressed down. It was definitely something humans didn't do. And then my brain was trying to catch it. I'm like, maybe the wind comes through here in a weird spiral and causes a big old tunnel. I don't know, but I remember right away just finding these things in these little areas where there might have been a little pile to the left of one time there was in this little tunnel, and the tunnel I call it a tunnel, but it's really just brushed. That was probably something passing through there a lot, and we'll get to that, but at the time, I'm really confused, and I would see these random little piles and I'm thinking hobos and stuff. But where I'm talking about and we'll get into the map here in a second where these locations are. But you know where I was at. There's no homeless people, there's no there's only maybe retired people at these scattered houses up in the hills near these mountains out behind the desert. And right away I saw this little pile up There was a Buddha and there's some little old hot wheels and some random things.

8:47 But there was a few different piles of this every ten feet and I was like, whatever. I didn't think sasquatch at the time, but I'm definitely that was one of the first experiences where I'm definitely feeling odd and off. And I remember that whole time. I think I just filmed my truck for ten minutes to get a clip to edit later, and I just went home. It was like a stomach kind of weird vibe. And looking back, I can easily see how they would pass through from one location to the other, maybe late at night, and I don't know, I just this is one of the reasons we're doing the show here. I have many things I can't explain, but it was definitely some sort of pathway where they go, and I'll explain that here in a minute of the map what I'm talking about. And again at the time, I didn't know that, but just bizarre, really bizarre feeling. Again, I'm still sober to this day, but even then, I was just going, what is this feeling I got? This is strange. I'm not scared. I've come up here before, but I've never come across this particular area, and that was fascinating. The more I've learned up until this point is they learned, they migrate, they change around. Sure, they might go through different portals and stuff, but I don't know as far as I'm concerned. They got blood, they got beating hearts, and they're just magnificent little ninjas out there. I don't even know. So, yeah, that was one of the first little moments of weirdness.

9:58 I have everything written down here. I hope that's all making sense. Oh no, it absolutely does. And I think there's more going on in these southern California areas that we know of. But just to make sure, I guess. So you're I do some stuff on TikTok, and so you're one of the guys that you're making videos where's it looks like a little jeep and you're it's like a crawl and you're going up rocks and bridges and stuff and correct. And I've met other people who do this and they have some cool stories too and about this sort of thing. But I'm a loner, lone wolf these days. But yeah, essentially it was that, even as I was doing it and making those videos, I'm going it really is a program that I have to keep running. There was like one day I was sick and I didn't film a few I didn't film I remember, I just felt weird.

10:45 So it became this thing. But yeah, and in a nutshell, the page got swiped off and I'm starting a new one. But man, it was so fun for a while, and I just had all these little things in the back pocket in my back of my brain that I just wanted to share because I really was out there constantly. The rain shots were the best ones. Yeah, that stuff is very cool. I do watch that on TikTok. It's very At first you're like this is weird, and then you're like, oh, this is actually really cool. Oh it's great. And I look at it like a little robot next to you. Because if you're walking, you're hiking this little tiny truck brings me just this is a perfect example. It brings me to these areas I would never normally go. And sometimes there's a lot of beautiful stories too. And I'm looking around at this view and I'm looking down at this truck. I'm like, without you, I wouldn't even be out here right now. So this little truck, these little trucks I would build that became this little I don't know, I'm pretty sure they would scare away more rattlesnakes up ahead. If I'm driving the truck ten feet in front of me to a mountaine, is probably gonna be freaked out by a little electronic things.

11:45 It was also the kind of a safety that that's what allowed me to go anywhere. I was never scared of animals because I knew that I had this loud, little crawler truck or whatever with me at the time, and that usually gave me some confidence. But the more I'm learning, I'm like, I was probably attracting all the sasquats. They're watching this guy with this truck and he's crouched down with a little square thing in his hand. What is he doing? But I don't know, it's just it's wild, it's fun. But yeah, so this all started in a nutshell. It's the lower Desert. So we'll go Palm Desert, and from Palm Desert you go south and you go up to seventy four. And I'm sure at some point you'll pull out a map and you know where I'm talking about. But I'll just give you a debrief on this location. So where this all started twenty nineteen was like seventy four.

12:27 And then right behind the seventy four you got to come up out of the low Desert and you boom mountains and just thick forest and it's cool, but it's just there's no building, there's no houses out that way a certain way for a while. Then you come down out Westmore and boom, you right it, and you slam into Idlewild, which is known for the Idle Beast. I'll have a story about that here in a little bit. And then if you go excuse my map language, by the way, I'm switched around here, but I'm pretty sure. Yeah, from Idlewild, let me go out to where you were you mentioned in the beginning, which is Big Bear Lake, Arrowhead, et cetera. And then in the middle of all that you got Yucca Valley, Joshua Tree, and that's predominantly where we're at. And then out east we have twenty nine Palms and a man by the name of Tim Baker.

13:13 I don't know if you're familiar with him, white Beard, very knowledgeable about Sasquatch. He's on a few shows on YouTube. This particular man expanded for a little while on twenty nine Palms and how they have a bent rifle apparently, and their lobby or something. I don't know, but I know that there's definitely some stories that span there too, about the Sasquatch, Sasquatch messing with Sasquatch, messing with the the base out there, and UFOs and all that. Stuff's pretty normal out here. But I was fascinated to hear Tim Baker mentioned some things about twenty nine Palms way back in the day, and twenty nine Palms is way more desert, deer, and drier than where I'm at and even where I was at before, And that alone was just like God, it just it fascinated me. And from what I've heard and what I've learned, I'm pretty sure they ain't ones are the rogue ones. They go far away from the forest, and my particular opinion, just to get away and eat deer and hide and stuff. So they're a lot more angry in a sense. If I had to guess, predominantly the ones he's mentioned out in twenty nine Palms, and yeah, that leaves me right in the center and Yucca. And then strange things started to happen because at the end of two nineteen to twenty I moved up to near Joshua Tree Yucca Valley, and yeah, then some more things started happening. But I can't really explain, but yeah, if you get a chance, look into Tim Baker.

14:31 There's many interviews of him on there. And this guy he calls them boogers. He's one of those guys at old school. But it's cool. He talks about how he was working at the base out there and they get real active when they try to shoot off a rocket or do some stuff. They noticed there was more activity when that would happen. And this sort of thing was fascinating me because I'm going, how does the sasquatch Now that I'm learning, I'm going, how does the sasquatch survive in the desert? Blah blah, blah. I think it was your episode a couple of while back that there's a lady briefly that I think it was on your show and she was of all place talking about Vegas and how her and her husband were driving and they saw one and down in this water Goalie on a hundred more than a hundred degree day, they saw one in broad daylight. So this is what I mean. It's a cool topic. I'm always fascinated by it. But the one thing that kept grabbing me was like, I got to know more about this desert thing. What are they doing out in the desert. And then I started putting puzzles together the tunnel, oh idle, wild, oh triangle. Right, I'm like, okay, so they probably passed through certain times of the year.

15:28 If deer's running a deer run out here, or if they're squad in the forest out by Big Bear, they get into some beef and they have to the big rogue ones that have two toes. I don't know they I just have a feeling they come out this way. It's very complexity, but yeah. Yeah, it is very interesting. I did have an individual come on the show. It was a short one about because it was a TikTok thing about how they saw pretty much what people call yuckaman. This was down in desert Hot Springs, so Joshua Tree, but a little bit to the west. That's I'm so glad you brought that up, because I have my notes here on this little quote unquote map triangle thing I keep mentioning I left out DHS. Now DHS, you got Palm Desert where this all started. Where I mentioned in the low desert Yucca Valley is high desert hour drive half hour drive ish, okay, and then you got Idlewild. DHS is pretty much in the center of all this. And the thing that fascinated me more when I when that sasquatch thing came to my brain, especially hearing Tim Baker talk, I was like, okay, let's think.

16:31 Sure enough, right on the map in DHS, there's a story. And where this guy's talking about is literally sand dunes where I used to fill my RCA cars with paddle tires. So that was great with my girl glow pros and the slow motion stuff. It wasn't always crawling. I'd go out there and take a trophy truck and throw some paddles on it, get some slow most shots. But it was fascinated to hear that in nineteen I want to say, nineteen seventy, maybe seventy three. I could be off there. You'll see it on the big Foot map. In DHS. There is a man in his Volkswagon that basically his Volkswagen low beams were only at a certain point, but he saw this huge thing these I'm pretty sure he said. It looked like a piece of plywood or refrigerator, I forget, but this huge hairy thing that and that he noticed that he saw down there, and you can read up on that. You'll see it Desert Hot Spring or Desert Hot Springs, California on the map there. But it's and as I'm learning more, and from a helicopter view if you will, DHS is right in the middle. One could have been passing from Idlewild in the middle of the night going up to the high desert. For some deer could have been walking through to Lake Arrowhead. By the way, this whole desert topic. I know half the comments are going to be like, yeah, take another hit, pallet, trust me.

17:36 I was the same way. But man, I saw how serious Tim Baker was on these things, and I'm starting to collect more a little interesting things that were happening, and I'm like, I think it's quite the opposite. And then yeah, the yucka man that's the government or whatever's real quick to block that out and just make a silly little thing with a man in a suit and blah blah blah. But that's got a stem from some real stuff. And it's just it's eerie even because the hair that they're describing as that sand color, and I can see how quickly it would just blend, it would blend in really well. It's so, yeah, you got the yuckaman one, you got the one in DHS, and I think there's a few. There's definitely a bunch of dots around idlewild, a bunch of dots out more by a big bear and all that. And yeah, we're right in the middle of it all. It's pretty wild. It's cool.

18:17 I don't let it surround my brain twenty four to seven. But when I do it now, I'm definitely a little more respectful. I walk up right when I get out of my truck, and I am I not even beating tall trees around. I still say, hey, guys, just here to observe and enjoy the land, get some fresh air. I don't mean anybody any harm. I still do that because I've heard so many little hippie ladies on the Bigfoot Show say that's good to do that, So I just take little notes. I don't want to disrespect these things. You have a story on your show where this guy broad daylight. He was hiking in that one with two toes. There was a female here staring at and this one with two toes walks up to him and it's screaming on screaming at him, and he's curled up in a ball like broad Daylight on a trail. Things happen. But I just have a feeling though, if there's any up here, they're probably the rogue ones. Until I get to a story that happened not long after I moved up here that reminded me. I don't think it's all rogue ones.

19:06 So what you mentioned that you've experienced some weird things in Yucca Valley. Yeah, I moved up here. We moved up here at the end maybe two twenty ish, and new home. This isn't this is still not watching much of the a whole lot of the Bigfoot stuff yet, just just getting settled in, still doing the making the movies and stuff. There are weird things that I couldn't explain. I'm about to mention. It usually happened in winter springish. It's just a thing, And that makes perfect sense because it was wintertime and springtime that I was hiking maybe I don't know, two miles behind my house here again from a helicopter view, right behind Yucca Valley to maybe the north and all around you'll see on a map that it's pretty much just miles and miles of mountains and just all kinds of nothing.

19:52 Right. It was, it was like this thing that I started noticing more in winter and spring there was more weirdness. And I was up there and I saw these two I'm not good with names of these animals. Sometimes you can laugh. That's all right. I'm an old burnout musician, film or guy. But it's funny because there's these two deers that ran by me broad daylight. And I'm a big guy, and these the deer's back ends were probably up to my shoulder and that told day ran right by me. They split right around me, sure them mountain lying something chasing them, Maybe our hairy friend who knows. But it was crazy how they ran by me. But I instantly realized where I moved. I'm like, it's a little more wild up here in the high desert. Okay, Okay, I just put that in the back of my brain in a nutshell. But I noticed I would see more animals that time of the year. And then I'm putting things together. I'm like, it seems like maybe they just all the campers come out to big barren, snowboarders, snow bunnies.

20:44 Maybe they come out this way in the winter to get away from the humans. I don't know, it makes perfect sense, absolutely. And you've mentioned Idlewild a few times, which I have heard of that, but I'm not extremely familiar with that. I haven't talked to anyone about that area either yet. What are things that you've heard from that area? I'll tell you what if I might. This was my first time doing one of these things, so I kind of tree branched off on a different thing there. So Yuka, yes, I moved up here, and we'll get right into Idlewold because the story little line that I have here, there was a couple of interesting things that happened out there, and that was right around when I got more into watching these shows and stuff. Okay, Yucca High Desert. Here we go. I don't know if this was a month or two into the maybe even a little longer. Into this house one night and then, by the way, there's no this time of year, there was Airbnb's just starting at the time. There's no partiers, there's no people up late at night up here. It's all retired people at this part of the town, and it's very quiet and mellow.

21:43 This is just one thing I had to write down. I'm told it's good to do those things. Those things you can't explain. And we're sleeping and one night passed. My house is set up from a helicopter view. Again, it's set up to where a coyote, for instance, could run off the run into the side of my house, going through the big back yard, which is maybe quarter acre ish, and he could come around and go back out the front. I'm just giving you a little visual of what that is or how my place is set up. One night, there was a little random thing where it was dead winter cold. You can hear the occasional alhoots out there. Love it, And I was just going to sleep, and something ran by the window enough to not just shake the bed frame and shake the window and shake the wall a little bit. But it was so bizarre because it wasn't like a cook clunk like a horse or which would just really be a deer or maybe a pack of coyotes or something. This was basically the sound of something that might have been maybe and I know, I just I have to share this. This had been something that was maybe three four feet tall, but had to have been maybe three hundred pounds two hundred pounds.

22:50 But this strange thing about this was and I had to remember this is where it all started. Was the footsteps were very fast, but they were so close together and they were bipedal. So it was like and there's videos that have leaked recently. Whether they're real or not, I don't know, but we've heard a lot of stories when they when they run like spiders or they get down on their fingers or so in my brain, I'm going, Okay, maybe because we're surrounded by mountains. I'm looking at a mountain right here outside of our house, and maybe the parents are up at the top and send a couple of the little young ones down there to chase some rabbits and get some meat, maybe run through the houses. I don't know, but it's enough to write down because there was no people that time of year. It was middle of the night and whatever was heavy enough to shake the side of the house and kept me up for a while, like what the heck was that? So that was just something where it started a little weirdness and I'm slowly more and more realizing I'm in a lot more wild of an area, if that makes sense.

23:41 And then right around then there was there was those cold windy nights dead December January. It's known to snow up here too, and by the way too. I was always told where there's where there's deer and stuff, there could be sas squatch. So then my light bulb was slowly going on. At this time, I wasn't watching the shows quite yet as much, but there was a cold, windy nights and there's no sky up here. You can research that. But a couple of different times I'd go outside for a smoke in the front and thereould just be this putrid smell. It wasn't trash day or nothing. It was just this strange thing. So in my personal hypothesis. I feel like certain times of the year they come out here get away from all the snow bunnies and whatever else. Maybe they come out here to maybe train there young, to do something different. I don't know, but it's definitely something where I think they definitely lurk through in those cold nights. And that would be such a cool painting of this big old rogue one that's just standing there overlooking at all these houses and stuff. Because right where our line is where our houses are at the mountain start, it just goes for miles and miles and it's still high desert, but it's technically still mountain, if that makes sense. So that's one of just these little strange things were starting to happen a little bit that I enough for me to remember. And so yeah, there's always a creepy feeling too back there, and I'm gonna, I said, scrap and be crazy. It was nothing like I was scared of anything else, except for just this feeling your stomach with bubble in some of these areas is kind of like a vibe just to get out and Okay, So right around then I went for a cruise.

25:04 I started watching some of the shows, and I did a little research and apparently idle while. Yeah, there was there's a little talk about it there. There's even a little shop that's all kind of sasquatch stuff, and you google it. They're very quick to just put a guy in a costume and make you just turn away. And but it turns out that there's a ho was at a gas station, for instance, and I was just getting the bug, getting the light bulb on about this topic. And it was a drive I wanted to do, let's go check it out type thing, and I pulled into this gas station, nice lady, an old hippie lady, and I said, you ever hear any sounds, any weird cries at night that you can't really explain? And she was right away. She lit up like a light and she just went on about all kinds of weird sounds and things they hear up there. And she was really adamant about these green lights that they see at the top and energy and that sort of thing, and these this mountain there, which is trippy because right after that mountain it's boom. On the other side it's palm springs, low desert hot, very hot. But yeah, you go high up enough.

25:57 There's snow up there all, so i'd a while. It's very eerie. There was very cool and beautiful by the way too. But anytime I was there, i'd stepped maybe I don't know, one hundred yards in and I just I don't know, dude, I just want to go. So I just light a cigarette, walk back to my truck, and just go. It's just a feeling. But there was a time and I had a while. I'm glad you brought that up. I grabbed a little rock that looked like a crystal. I'm like, that'll be cool in the bathroom. Cool. Great, this was a nice day. Let's go grab a rock to remember this day. I went to clear my head. I was going through a bunch of stuff, one of those things. Just go for a drive, let's check it out, maybe have an adventure and come home. And then throughout this time, I'm watching some shows. But there was this feeling. Man, it was like like you took something that's not yours.

26:42 You need to return that. And I know that's silly. I have rocks that I collect from hikes and stuff, but this particular rock was like a vibe. I don't know, it was in my head, and it wasn't quite voice speed kind of vibe, but it was more like almost like a Grandpa kind of giving you that vibe. Shame on you. You shouldn't have took that without asking ground. It was one of those things. So I remember the next day, I grabbed that rock and I drove all the way back out there, literally, and if I didn't even bring in our sea that day. I just went out there and I parked, and I set the rock down right where I got it, and I put my hand up and I said, no hard feelings. And it might have been the craziest, weirdest thing in the world, but I tell you what, my shoulders felt way lighter after doing it. But it didn't end there, because right before you exit that area, it's gorgeous. You're going right from people to boom. It's just forest and gorgeous, and it was just mesmerizing. So I remember stopping at this little tourist thing, and where this little tourist thing is a little concrete path and people can look at a little map and take a picture, and behind them is just this huge field of pine trees and gorgeous something out of a bob Ross painting, and so that was the last little area to check it out before we went back on the freeway and headed back home. And I remember standing there, broad daylight. A lady and her daughter just was leaving the place. They got in their car and left, and boom, you could hear a mouse fart from two miles away. It was so quiet. I'm standing there for a second, I'm looking around and it's just beautiful. I'm getting ready to walk back to the car, and I hear a crunch And it wasn't a bowlder

28:14 falling on something. It was the calmest day ever. Didn't even hear any birds at that moment, but in my brain and this didn't. This took a while after. I was like, maybe he was just standing. One of them was standing right there, which would have been right off of the concrete ledge where this thing is at. It drops down about twelve feet, But if one was so inclined, he could have been easily sending one of the other ones to I don't know, I can't explain it, but I can tell you that there was a loud kind of crunch and then almost like a half crunch, like something was standing right there. If that's their home. They know everybody coming in and out. They're probably gonna leave a couple watchers right there on the entrance or the exit, I should say, and yeah, I remember that, and it was almost like a nod. I remember driving home and I almost had that feeling like it was Sam, thank you.

28:56 Maybe it's just to them. They're probably ancient obviously, and taking some I'm as simple as that could have really rattled their feathers a little bit. I don't know. I just did it, and I feel better about doing it. So that's my little Idle Wild story. As far as that little parts concerned. I think that was good that you did take it back, even for your own likesanity. Really, I hear stuff like that all the time. People take something from Hawaii and it's never good, but you gotta, oh, you know, it takes perfect exact different places. For sure. It's very interesting. But I'm looking at pictures of Idlewild and it's definitely got an interesting, almost Shasta vibe to it. It feels like it's just one of those towns that are really cool, very much, and it's so popular.

29:38 There's gonna be people that hike their every day here in this that are like, Oh, we hiked there every day. It's fine. I'm just telling you. I felt there. It was just a feeling. Man. It was almost like back I was one of those kids back in the day that we had. We lived in a haunted house and I was hoping to those sort of things. There was a lady that would watch me sleep in her gown and that was creepy. And I don't know, maybe they just nudged certain people a certain way, or maybe I sense that they were there without knowing it. But I remember I was I didn't walk far into there. Big beautiful trees too, and I was looking up at tree breaks. Sure, there's a bunch of them, but you don't know if it's from the wind or what. So I can't I can't really put that into anything, but I'm going, God, this is the perfect place. It could easily, you know. Just yeah. So Idlewild's got its own little world really over there. It is.

30:18 It's like an old You almost feel like you're in nor Cow or Washington over there. You've also mentioned we had brought up Pressline and Lake Arrowhead, which I've i myself. I've gotten probably at least two or three accounts from that area, so it seems to be that seems to be pretty active area. I would say that's fascinating. I'm glad you brought that up, because now that we've talked about that, looking forward, looking behind my house here from the kit from the back on, I can literally see big bear here from my window, and it's almost I doubt that it's big bear. Sure it's huge, but I'm sure these things are breeding as we're learning, and they got to migrate on occasion to go find big deer. Like I just mentioned, there's a couple of big old deer up here that I've seen one time out there hiking.

30:59 So so I just feel like, yeah, they come from there, but who knows from the more I'm sure you're learning too. They're known to travel, obviously, if they're going to be bigger and healthier the farther up north you go compared to Florida or something. But we've heard big ones down there too. It's strange. I'm pretty sure they just migrate that night, they go through these big areas that they know. Nobody else knows. This tunnel thing that I found one time, I still can't describe even explain that at all, there was no sign of hedge clippers know nothing. It was like something with big was just walking through there, often pushing down everything like a little secret, little passway. So I'm pretty sure they go from Big Bear, they walk all the way through Yucca maybe out to twenty nine Palms. They go back down through DHS. They could go straight through DHS to Idlewild and go right back out to out off the seventy four. I mentioned Toosh from a helicopter view. Sure, it's the desert and it's hot. They got the high desert where it starts to cool off.

31:51 And then yeah, just right out an hour or so out west ish, there's you got Big Bear and all that cressline and that girl who's soon the county or whatever, and she won, and they know there's stuff out there. And I'm actually just starting to look up more. If I go somewhere like that, I'm learning they're up there sometimes. Yeah, it's just fascinating. I believe you're referring to a Claudia aclete rights from that area. Yeah, I think so. It was a little it was a little clipping that they have about that. I wish I had more information as far as the twenty nine palms things and all that. But maybe this will wake up a couple others to come out with their stories out here. I just again, I never hear people talk about it. Yet it's so there. They're so here. Obviously you can look at the late board on the Bigfoot map.

32:33 They're all over the place, And I'm just like, that's strange. Why does the desert keep getting shut out of these conversations? To me, that's the most fascinating one. So I don't know. My hypothesis, Yeah, they travel through to get away or I don't know. I don't think just a random father of a family is gonna randomly just walk out here and start messing with a navy bait or military base out there, unless it was rogue and it was just I don't know. It's just fascinating stuff. It's wild. There's a there was a morning out here. This is one of the semi recent ones. There was a morning out here where you know, lots of coyotes and everything out here, and there was a morning out here with my coffee and I'm just setting my coffee down. I already heard the coyotes chirping while I was pouring my coffee, you know how they cry, and a big pack over here on the mountain, which is probably a mile or two tops where they could have been. And I was like, all right, look at those little guys that are up and doing their thing. Boom, there was this huge roar over the coyotes, enough to make me shake the coffee and go whoa. And I felt it in my chest and I was like, okay, cool. It took me a second to program or what was that. I'm still waking up and I'm going and I knew right away it wasn't a dog, because that dog would have continued barking.

33:43 It was one loud roar, like a shut up type thing, and it was enough to reach me all the way over on my porch here and shake my chest a little bit. And I went right through the whole dictionary of animals in my brain and I'm like, that was none of those. I almost thought maybe a mountain lion. But even in let's say something barked at those coyotes. Whatever it was has to dominate a huge pack of coyotes, because right after that sound, it was dead quiet. What else could put a whole pack of coyotes in check? With one loud roar that reaches all the way to this guy's porch while he's having his coffee. I don't know, if you let me know. In the comments, a lot of people will say this, that and the other. But wouldn't the coyotes continue to bark a few times after that, maybe a couple puppies still chirping after a loud shut up from another animal. But it was almost like something was like, just stop. The sun's coming up, you guys need to stop right now. No, it was still dark out barely the sun was coming up too.

34:36 I left that out. That was eerie. That was something I had to write down because that shook me to the point where, yeah, I felt it my chest just like you people tell your fans tell their stories on here. And that was strange because that was just vibration. It wasn't just the noise. It was almost like I could send out this huge shock wave like a video game, like two miles out from it, and everything in that path gets felt like. I don't know, it was cool. It was dead for the rest of the morning after that, with my whole coffee, I didn't hear one shirt. So if you know what can shut up a whole pack of coyotes. Let let us know in the comments. I'm curious. I gotta know that one that's been bugging me for a while. Yeah, you hear that kind of thing, and that always makes you wonder it just it doesn't make sense that it could be anything else. You hear something that that loud.

35:22 I've heard something similar up in or again, and it really does. It messes with it, It makes you stop. It's just it's crazy to hear something that loud. Do a roar or a scream or whatever it is that you hear the equivalent. But yeah, it wasn't ohio how type stuff. This was like a loud again, seize my language. I don't know the thing on here, but it was just it really was like a loud just shut up and he stopped. But it was enough to just it was allowed. It was definitely like a malish scream. It wasn't like three voices the high the low. It was one maybe two double just octave, just enough to almost just push me back a little bit. And yeah, that was bizarre. And again it was cooler out. It was one of those things where sure, son's coming up, they know about that little row of houses right there. Things are acting up around that time. Maybe again, maybe they are kind of protectors.

36:13 And I've heard a lot of people say that maybe they run their own program up there, and if things are getting too rowdy, they feel good just putting everything in check, keep it down for the humans. I don't know, but that's definitely one thing I still cannot explain at all. It's just bizarre, and there's no doubt in my mind they pass through here and stuff. But again, it's just it's I wanted to open up that door to see who else comes forward with some cool desert stories, and again, nobody ever expands on it. I want to hear more about the twenty nine palm stories out there. There's a ton of them and they go way back in the day. But oh, absolutely, yeah. Did I think you may have mentioned before, did you say that you have other people that you know in the same community of RC crawlers that they've had things happen as well that are out of the ordinary.

36:57 Most of them chuckle and laugh on the sub has changed really quick. But when you get any of those individuals by themselves, people just open up and tell you things. And I don't know. Yeah, I've heard a few different people say that there's things they can't explain around a certain bend, big old bipedal splashes walking through and they're there with their RC trucks crawling on some rocks and something else is basically saying hello, kids, get out of here with your toys. This is my area, just because we know how quiet they can be, and they know that's their living room. This is their living room, I should say, so they know how to spark a little fear to get somebody out of there, or they can be very quiet, as they've been known to walk through all kinds of areas and you can't hear a darn thing on fall day with dry leaves everywhere. They're just so ninjul it's fascinating. I don't know, but yeah, there's been a lot of those sort of stories where somebody hear something splash, And I've heard the pebble ones a few times where there's no cliff above. And my buddy Alex and he had a couple of pebbles hidden near his ankle one time he mentioned briefly but it put my light bulb blah, and I'm like, all right, okay, I've had that happen, you know what I mean. But guys being guys, I don't know. Owen we're all to go.

38:01 You don't really expand on it too much, But I think a lot of these big foot things are stuff we do when we're by ourselves watching our shows at night. I don't know, absolutely, John, this has been a really interesting conversation. I think it will hopefully open up a lot of people that may not have reached out before. So honest say thank you for reaching out and for having this conversation. I want to make sure that we were able to chat about everything that you'd wanted to bring to the show today. Yeah, I appreciate you just giving me a chance to share a couple of these things. When I'm watching an episode and there's not a whole bunch of action, I'll still watch or listen, but I wish I had more. I just again, Yeah, I hope just kind of puts on that light bulb a little motivation for people to come forward with some of those class A sidings and stuff.

38:46 I just had to share with the light bulb on that there's definitely a little triangle out here of activity that goes way back and I encourage anybody to look into that when you're bored. It's fun and cool. Since then, my last page got deleted, but I'm starting a new one up and I'm still out there. It really is three hundred and sixty five days a year type of thing keeps me out of trouble. So I'll definitely be collecting things over time if anything happens, and I'll definitely be sharing them. And what's the name of your current channel? If people want to check out what RC crawlers are and they haven't seen it. Before, this will be cool because we all have a nerdy side, so yeah, come by and check it out. It's Rabbit Lodge Racing. You can just go at Rabbit Lodge Racing. I got to change that to media. Might just leave it to racing, but at Rabbit Lodge Racing YouTube channel. I'm going to be starting my videos here towards the beginning of winter. We'll get that page up and going again, and it's just all entertainment. You can sit back and watch it while you eat. If there's something really cool that happens, I might mention it on there, but this is more just for fun visuals to check out maybe inspire you for a bild or something. So yeah, come on by, give me a follow, and get ready for some cool videos.

39:51 That's awesome. Thanks so much for coming on the show today, John. I appreciate yeap, love your show man, and thank you so much for having me, and you have yourself a good rest of the day. Hello, Hi, how are you good? What brings you up tonight? I think I contacted you a while back about my experience and I keep having them and it's just pretty cool, and I thought i'd tell my story tonight if you. Don't mind, Yeah, go right ahead. Okay. So I live in Nebraska and they're usually not said to be around this area, and I think it's because it's wide open space, is not a lot of tree, not a lot of coverage and things like that. But when I moved to the area that I live in now, my sister in law, which she wasn't my sister allaw at the time, said she saw one. And I have that always in the back of my head. Will you just go on with your life? And we're like, Okay, I was driving one night. I used to work for the railroad as a driver to drive engineers to their trains, and I was coming back home and I was going down into this little valley where a huge river goes through it. And I as I'm nearing, I'm on the phone with my mom. So my mom and my daughter, they're still up at this slight hour can hear me.

41:14 And all of a sudden, I see something and I'm like, what is that. So it's on the side of the road, and it takes one step, and then all of a sudden it's in the middle of the road, and this is a two lane highway, and then it looks at me, and it wasn't fear as much as just awe of how fast and how big it was. And then it took one more step and it was already gone. And I said to my mom, I'm like, I think I just saw a bigfoot. And she's said, no, you didn't. I'm like, I seriously think I saw a bigfoot. And you know how everybody's no, you didn't see one or whatever.

42:01 I followed the river. There's several big rivers around me, so I would occasionally go down to a river. I drive when I get stressed, and there's this little bridge that is down in the middle of nowhere, that nobody goes except for a farmer that has a crop back there, but he doesn't even irrigate it. He just plants it and forgets it. And I go and sit on that bridge. And I've been communicating or seeing this same one. I believe it's the same one about every two to three months.

42:43 I've left it gifts before, and I've had a skull given back to me and things like that. I know it prefers like plush animals, like stuffed animals, like really bright vivid ones are which I would think is weird because where would they hide it. But I have had that experience about every two months since five years ago. I never feel threatened, but I also don't try to look it in the eye, and I don't try to initiate contact. But I do know that he she, I don't even know what it is, travels the same river system, and I can find them at different parts of the river at different times. I can actually map out where it's going to be because it has like a game trail and it follows the river, which is really cool.

43:51 I guess, so you're actually having visual sightings over the last five years. I do have some foot feetprint okay, and hair. I have all of that because one time when it jumped up bark by your fence, I think I got caught or I got nicked. But I've got so much evidence that you can't. There's no way you can tell me that it wasn't what I saw. What is the hair like that you have? It's very coarse, very stinky. When I first got it, thank god it I put it in a bay, so the bay still smells like it. It's very coarse and long.

44:35 It feels hollow, like lighter but thicker. Does that make sense? Absolutely? Yeah? And it has like varying colors of brown on it. It's really weird like it when it I don't know how to describe it. When you move the follicle, like there's different colors throughout the hair shaft. It's really weird. Is that looking at it through a microscope or just looking at it with your. Naked eye microscope? I got very into looking at it because I couldn't believe I found it. That's awesome. There is a DNA study being done out of North Carolina state where they're taking any evidence that people want to send in that's related to bigfoot.

45:28 I would love to Yeah, I would love to send it in because I also know one time when I parked my car and went for a walk because there's this abandon barn and I was just looking at because it's really cool and I like to find like old horseshoes and stuff. When I came back, there's there was a handprint on my window and there was no way no human made that handprint on my window. I don't know where it was because I never saw it that day, but there was definitely a handprint on my window. Thank you something. It was really weird. I don't know that the year see though.

46:09 So there's a name I'm gonna if you can write this down. The name that the individually need to look up is Derby or cut Okay. And it's a d A R B Y O R C U T t. Okay. And he has a website where you can request to send in a sample for them to test the DNA on. Okay. I just have those the picture of the handprint and I couldn't so I had to get a picture of the feet prints. But you will find them regularly down in the river system where I go and meet up every once in a while with it. It's never acted angry or violent towards me. But I do know it.

47:00 If I get out of my car, I don't feel safe. Does that make sense? It's like I'm in it, I'm in its area. If I'm in my car, I just I act really respectful when I try not to make eye contact with it or whatever. But I'm not gonna purposely anger it to find out if it would be or not, because I always want to treat it like a I would treat like I would say, a bigger male or a great ape, where you don't want to look at them directly in the eye to challenge them. Oh yeah, absolutely, But I also know that it's never been threatening. There's only one time it was, and that was when he heard it first. I don't know how far away it was, but he showed his I don't even I'm saying he or she, I don't know. It showed its teeth. And then about two minutes later a car went by, Okay, on opposite road. I don't know how he heard it, but he heard it way better than I ever did.

48:11 What did the teeth look like. Yellow? There was definite. Some canines they're very blocky. If that makes sense. Absolutely, it does. Yeah, you go to the Natural History Museum and like those teeth that the Iceman had and stuff like that. I've described it that, but definitely sharper and definitely bigger. A lot of people think that there's not much activity that happens in Nebraska, but we don't know where this is in the state, but there is. Actually I try not to tell anybody about it just because I don't want anybody else finding it.

48:52 Yeah. Absolutely, but I've gotten so many reports from even in the Omaha area. It's crazy what's going on in that state. Certain areas. There's definitely enough space out here that nobody goes to that would definitely allow it to be free and wild, and there's enough hunting, fishing anything where it could sustain quite a few animals that you would never know about it, because if you just followed the river system that I live near, it branches off into thirty different creeks and stuff, and you'll get lost so fast.

49:34 That's incredible. Melissa. I appreciate you coming up and sharing what you've been experiencing over the years. Feel free to reach out in the future if stuff continues to happen, and if you want to report that as well. My email is big for society at gmail dot com. I definitely will Do you have any suggestions on because I noticed it, it appreciated the stuffies and left me like bigger things. Do I keep interacting with with it? Or do I stop just because I don't want to. I don't know exactly how to progress because I was totally leave things and then somebody just told me not to. So I will say this, and this is based on reports I've taken over the years, if you stop interacting in this way, that there could be issues. Oh okay, so that is something to keep in mind.

50:25 And I don't mind giving him things. I have toys from my children that are but they've obviously outgrown and things. So I have buckets of close. Stuff and I would say usually that's more if you're leaving food like a lot of people. I don't leave food just because I understand what feeding wildlife can entail, because I'm a wild life rehabilitator. Okay, so I tried to mainly achieve like drinkets and things that movement it curious and want to learn, but not think of me as food. Yeah, so I think if food's not really involved, then then you it shouldn't be I don't think it would be as bad. Usually the reports I take where there's issues are the person that's been giving them food and then they stop all of a sudden that as.

51:18 A wild life be abilitator, you can't feed anything out there, and you take that kind of oath. So that's why I always chose non food items. Melissa, Is this say a conversation that I could put on the big Foot podcast that I have? Of course? Awesome. Thank you so much for coming up. Hopefully we'll hear from you in the future as well. Thank you, and I'll try to get some more concrete evidence. I did go get past repairs and things for the feetprints, so we'll see if I get more evidence. Sounds great, Have a good one, all. Right, thank you. Hi there, how are you hello?

52:01 I'm good? Thank you good. Were you wanting to come up to share or do you mind sharing about encounters that you've had? No, I don't mind sharing. It's not I don't have a real big, long story or anything about it. But yeah, I was around eleven years old. We lived in Brookdale, California, across the Highway nine from the Brookdale lodge for anybody that's familiar with the area. And the Brookdale Creek ran behind our house and I would play at that creek a whole lot.

52:41 And the creek ended up feeding into the San Lorenzo River, and I would follow the creek down to the river and I would play in the river, like right there where the creek came into the river, and that feeling of somebody watching you, and that would happen a lot in that area. And on this particular day, when I looked up and started looking around for is there somebody around, I saw a face across the San Lorenzo River sticking out of the forest. It was the eyes and the bridge of the nose that I first saw, and it was very tall and all of that, and it just shifted away, and I didn't really hear a whole lot of movement because of the river sounds and all of that.

53:45 But that was pretty much about as far as that went that day. But I knew I saw something. I knew it wasn't a bear. I wasn't sure if I was seeing like maybe somebody that lived in the woods, because that was something that happened there, but it really did stick with me and I was like, what did I Is that what I saw? Or was it one of the hermit people? And I eventually went back, probably about sometime within the week after that, and went across the river and went up where I thought it may have gone. And I did come across. It was very smelly, and came across like where all of the.

54:33 Trees were like pushed down our fit to somebody else. I mean, it just looked like they all fell like this a different crisscross kind of pattern. But I did walk down into there and it was very stinky and there was like branches and stuff like that, and I just got that overwhelming scary feeling and took off and never really went back. But there was definitely. A worn pattern, like a worn trails, and the where I found the little like lean to ey kind of thing, call it that, for lack of better description right now, it was like where a bunch of redwood trees had fallen at one time, and then there was all the limbs were going across the Yeah, so I'm not really sure, but I do believe that was my first time of seeing a bigfoot. And then many years later, when I was nineteen, I was living up on Mount Shasta with a bunch of people, and we had many and many different times.

55:52 The thumping, the whooping, the rocks being thrown towards our camp, and that one of the times that we were coming back from town down in Shasta and going back up like towards where the lodge used to be. And there's no way again that this was a bear. People try to always tell me it was a bear, and. There's no way it was a bear. There was. The arms were swinging, the legs were going. The ground was that we did stop to look for It ran across the road in front of the Volkswagen and we stopped to see if we could find tracks, But the way that the dirt was, you couldn't really see anything.

56:42 So that, yeah, that was when. First was when I was eleven. And the other one was nineteen when I did see with my eyes and smelt with my nose. And then there was another time when I was younger. I didn't see anything but the. Fear in my brother and step brothers voices and faces and the rush to get back across the frozen lake. I do believe that's what they saw. We were in Big Bear. And we were staying at at family friends cabin that was on the lake, and it was winter. The lake was frozen and we had gone across and it was like frozen. People are out there on it all the time, and there was like this clearing on the mountain across the lake there, and we took our snow sleds and we were snow sledding, and we'd been sledding for a while and my brothers had just pushed me down to go down the hill and I'm woo.

57:47 And I'm going for a great ride. And I get to the bottom of the hill and I pick up my sled and turn around to go back up the hill, and I see my brothers running back there down the hill and they're yelling run and waving their hands. And I was just stunned for a moment, and I did turn and start running, and they ended up catching up to me, and my brother picked me up and threw me on to the sled and they grabbed a hold of the rope and they were just running. I didn't know why. I just started crying. I was really little, and I started crying. They ran across the lake with me, and.

58:29 I'm like, what, why, What's going on? And all of that. We get back to the parents and based I'm listening to them telling that after they'd slid me down the hill that the bigfoot ran across from the one forest to the next forest area from where we were snowsledding right behind me. They never said that it trila was like trying to get me or anything like that. But yeah, so that was like probably that. Would have been actually the first time, but I didn't see what they saw. Oh my goodness. When you were in the Shasta, were you guys camped up on the mountain itself?

59:16 Yes, we were like in the area of Cougar Meadows up there. So is that like Panther Meadows. Panther Meadows, Yes, Yeah, that's okay, that area there, Yeah, so below where the old ski lodge was. Yep, I've heard there's a lot of weird stuff that happens in that area. Yeah, And that's there's a very small, like spring kind of creek that goes through that meadows, and we used to find all kinds of little bones and all kinds of stuff in there.

59:56 Yeah. Oh really, yeah, I've yeah, I. Definitely have lots of different stories of all kinds of. Just I guess you supernatural. Paranormal, whatever category you want to put it into. When I was living up on Mount Shasta. Oh so were you also seeing like lights in the woods or things like that. Too, Yes, yeah, yeah, pretty much a little bit of everything I'm about Recheurn fifty nine and that was when I was nineteen that I was living up there. It's amazing that where we are now with all the different shows and different stuff those that have come out, it is what's the word I'm looking for. It's put me at ease that the things that I've experienced that it wasn't just something that I was thinking that was happening at the time or stuff like that.

1:00:55 We climbed up to the. Caves at Shasta, like the Big Owl. I've caves that we all anybody that pretty much is going to be following Bigfoot. I'm sure you guys have all heard the stories of the caves on Shasta, and. Yeah, it's a pretty you know what, I don't know if I ever have is there a story about those caves. From different stories, I've heard that people believe that UFOs come and go from those caves, right, Yeah, just lots of other stuff like that. Now when you were in that area. Did a lot of people have stories of seeing actually seeing big up in that area.

1:01:44 No, not at the time, but a lot of this stuff that I experienced. On my own or with the group. We talked about it amongst ourselves, of course, but it wasn't a lot of the things that I experienced. In my younger years. I never really spoke with about too many other people until probably just this past what fifteen. Years or so, twenty years. Wow, Yeah, that's awesome that you're able to finally come. Forward where it's become more open. I had no idea when I lived in San Lorenzo Valley above Santa Cruz, California.

1:02:30 I guess per seeing it on a show on one of the. Bigfoot shows, there's that museum in ben Loman. Now have you heard of that? Where is this? The Bigfoot Museum Ben Loman, California? What I heard on that the Bigfoot show that ben I believe it's Ben Lohman. It's either Felt or Ben Lohman. It's a long Highway nine in the San Lorenzo Valley, and I guess they say that it's one of the most active Shasquatch Bigfoot areas.

1:03:14 I know exactly what you're talking about now. That was the Bigfoot Discovery Museum and felt, unfortunately I believe has closed just because of lack of funding and the owner, Mike Rugg, was unable to be pretty much respired from it. Yeah, but another one I could recommend is a Cliff Rickman in this museum up in Boring. O're again, the North American Big Center is incredible if you're ever up there. I just had no idea until many years after moving away that was known as a very active bigfoot area.

1:03:58 Absolutely, this conversation has been really interesting. I could use it in my Bigfoot podcast that I have. Of course, that's really cool. Thank you, awesome, very good. Hey. Feel free to reach out if you have any other things that you experience in the future. But this has been really fun talking to you today. Thank you. For having me up, thank you for asking me to come up. Thank you, Bobby, good stuff. I'll tell you what, this is quite a night. I'm going for a few hours on here. I think it is time to call it a night. I know that there might be a few people that are still wanting to come up. Feel free if you would like to share any other experiences you have or sightings. I would love to hear about them.

1:04:56 You can send me an email Bigfoot Society gmail dot com where you can wait until I do another live. Make sure you are following this account. I hit the an notifications on so you don't miss out on any other future lives. And I hope to talk to you then. And thanks to everyone who shared tonight and appreciate you all being here. Have a good one. We'll talk to you later. Hey, Steve, how are you Hey? How you doing? Hey? Doing great? I say your comment looks pretty interesting. Yeah. I bought a new boat and me, my wife and my daughter was heading up to Potoka Lake up in Indiana. We's going up there to camp with a bunch of friends for the fourth of July. And it was on July third, nineteen ninety six, and I was just getting ready to make a turn toward the lake and my daughter, which she was probably i'd say about fourteen twelve or thirteen fourteen, something like that at the time, and I heard her say, look, Daddy, somebody's pet gorilla got out, And of course I thought, what the heck?

1:06:12 And I turned around and my wife said, what is that? And I looked in about it. I guess it was probably, oh, I would say, maybe one hundred to one hundred and twenty yards away, and it was kind of walking along the bank, just through the weeds, and it was walking away from us. I never did see the face. I've seen the whole backside and kind of part of the right side of it, and it was an orangeish brown, and on the top of its head I guess you would call like the main it had a I guess what should have been like a white streak come down like what you would see off a skunk. But it was a real dingy, musky looking yellow. You could tell it was dirty, just filthy dirty, and it walked and of course back then there was no cell phones for us anyway, no cell phones. My camera was under the seat of my boat, and the whole top of the boat was loaded with chairs and tents, and it was all buckled down, so I couldn't get to my camera.

1:07:18 And by the time I got out of my truck, I had a whole line of cars beeping because I was blocking traffic. So we get to the camp site where all my neighbors and friends were at, and I told them about it. Of course, they started making fun of me, and I said, so I told the men, I said, come on, let's go. I know where this thing is at. I said we can get there by boat. And of course all the people that was making fun of me, all of a sudden started going, I'm not going up Heck, no, I'm not going up there. And I said, come on, you all sit here making fun of me, let's go. Let's see if we can find tracks. And I couldn't get anybody to go with me. So that was about the only encounter I ever had. But it was big. I can't tell you how tall it was.

1:08:07 I never could compare it to a tree, but it was huge. It would have been three or four of me and I'm six two and close to three hundred pounds, and it was way way bigger than me. But I never did get a chance to go look far to anything. But that was it. That's my brief encounter. Wow, Steuz, that that is some wild stuff. Thank you for sharing so that you saw. It was about a football field length away. It sounds like I would say about one hundred to hundred and twenty yards, But like I said, I never got a look at the faith. It was walking away from me at about a forty five degree angle. I was angling off the right shoulder. But yeah, my daughter screams out, look, Daddy, somebody's pet gorilla got out.

1:08:54 Oh my goodness. So that's that's wow. That kind of got my attention right away. To have a shape to its head at all that you could see. I tell you it was. There was no I'm trying to think of how it would compare it to. Its head came down, the hair was long, the head kind of round it, and then it just it was big headed, and then went out to the shoulders. It wasn't like you could see a neck or anything. It was just almost like if you draped a sheet over it that it would be just a slight definition between the neck and the shoulders and the head. It was almost like a just more of a round look. I couldn't see ears, of course. I don't guess my vision was that good that I could have seen its at one hundred and some odd yards. But all I remember was that I do remember was the white or what like I said, I'm assuming was supposed to be white, that was coming down the back of its head and was going down if I remember right it going down the left shoulder and it was just a dingy, musky yellow.

1:10:04 Did you notice anything about the arms or the hands at all? Could you see any details with that? Just the the arms were a little bit longer. I think that that's what made my daughter mainly think with the fur and the longer arms, while she thought it was a gorilla. Now the feet. I never did see the feet. I could see it from about the knees knee area up because it was walking along the bank, which was actually the bank that was there was an area that just floods every once in a while. It doesn't always stay water, but it floods quite often, so the grass gets pretty high there, and it was walking through grass which would have been about to its knee level.

1:10:48 So I never did see the feet, but I did want to get in my boat and go over there. And because I couldn't have got to it from where I was standing, I would have had to walk a bunch of water. But I knew I could get there with my boat, and I wanted to hopefully get there and see if I could get some looks at the tracks or something, because by that time I could have gotten my boat and got the camera out and took pictures of it. I wouldn't have had any access to any plaster Paris or anything, but I thought it'd be pretty neat if I could have got some pictures. But then, of course, we went on with our weekend. It was just a little bit, probably a three or four hours for dark. Then we started getting into the Fourth of July stuff, and then taking the boat out and everybody wanting to fish and ski and all that, and so we just went on with our weekend. But I told the stories, and one of my buddies here, he lives in Louisville, Kentucky, and he was making fun of me, and two of his uncles lived up there around Potoka Lake.

1:11:50 And when he was telling them the story, his uncle told me he said, Mike, don't laugh. He said, I'm going to tell you a story. He said about thirty years ago. He said, me and a buddy of mine was out drinking, and he said, right there by, who's your national forest? He said, one jumped out in front of us, about three o'clock in the morning, and he said. We looked at each other, and we swore to each other that we would never tell the story and he said, I've never said a word about it until just now. He said, so don't laugh at him. I've seen it. And then all of a sudden, now he believes me. Now he didn't believe me until his uncle said it was true. I get ribbed about it all the time.

1:12:30 They always say bigfoot. Lately, I said, I've never said it was bigfoot. I just said I seen something that was really big and it looked like a big gorilla. That's all I know. That had more of a man shape to me. I think it had more like it with the shoulders and everything. It wasn't like it was hump backed and everything. It was standing upright and it was taking long, taking good strides the best I could tell, Like I said, it was walking through weeds around your national forest. I don't know if you'd heard anything about up around who's your national forest? Oh yeah, I've talked to a few individuals that have had encounters in Hoosier and there's a lot of activity in that forest going on. Oh yeah, yeah, big time.

1:13:12 I'd like to see it. When I was young, I'm almost seventy years old now, but when I was younger, I spent a lot of time in the woods and I and people they think I'm nuts anyway, I guess because I've seen bear where there's not supposed to be any bear. But then all of a sudden a bear gets hit out on the road. Then all of a sudden, I'm not so nuts anymore. And I was hunting in Kentucky and came upon a mountain lion. And I told everybody. I said, Hey, I was deer hunting, seen a mountain lion. They go, yeah, all the big foot mountain lions bear. The next thing, you know, guy gets a picture of mountain lined up here off sixteen thirty eight by Fort Knock, which is just about three hundred yards away from where I've seen a mountain lion. Then all of a sudden, I'm not still nuts anymore, but nobody wants to believe me until something else has to happen to make it true.

1:14:05 Oh absolutely, thank you for coming up. And is this a conversation I could play on the big Foot podcast that I have. Oh sure, sure, anytime. Awesome. We keep us in the loosers wait. Here waiting to see uh spaceship now. It could be coming, you never know, but thanks for chaling. Wait this world going. You don't know what you go to see now, oh I know, but you feel free to use it, all right, thank you? All right? Thanks? Hey sir, how are you doing? He good? I saw that you had the sighting in Colorado? Is that right? Yeah?

1:14:45 It was in real forest near Bear Creek. But this was in the eighties, a long time ago. We were on our senior trip and there were six of us, three guys, three girls. Only three of us saw it, two girls, one guy. I was the guy, and I'll be honest, I don't know what it was exactly. It wasn't a freaking bear. It wasn't a coyote or any animal I've ever seen. And it was gigantic, how tall it was? No idea distance and dark, just hard to judge. What were the main things that you remember about it that made you think that it was. A time combs and stuff into the camp. We thought it was squirrels at first. Squirrels would get upset. We throw stuff out of the tree at you, but we didn't realize what it was. Everybody was sleeping pretty much, and I got up and the two girls that were beside us, they got up and when they trained the flashlight down the hill towards where the noise was coming, and one of them was pretty clear, the back side of it, anyway. But they moved like lightning, past like thirty seconds, completely out of sight. But it was the strangest thing I've ever seen. We went and looked where they were after, and we did find some deep impressions in the ground, not enough to make a cast out of because the ground was still hard. But until then we didn't believe Jack about it. And now ever since then, I've been looking for stories that are similar. And I don't know. I'm not one to say that that we weren't hallucinating. Who knows.

1:16:17 Yeah, sure, sure they actually saw it in the flashlight though. Oh yeah I did too. See I didn't have the flashlight, said. The two girls came out after I did because I thought a squirrel. I was gonna make some noise and make them stop throwing this stuff on the tent so I could get back to sleep. And I heard grunting and banging and tapping noises, and the girls swung the flashlight around past me down the hill, and one of them was lit up. You could see his whole silhouette the backside and maybe the left side of his face, but hard to make out because I'm serious. Thirty seconds they were out of sight and we didn't hear anything else.

1:16:57 So you're saying there was more than one there? Oh, there was a small one behind it. You couldn't make it out good because it was further down the hill and there were more bushes in the way. But there was another one. It wasn't just one of them. Was there more than that? I couldn't tell you. Oh wow, did you smell anything the ordinary? You know? I had read about the smells and stuff. We did not, but it's windy. I don't know if the smell would have stayed around. Sure that area, the Bear Creek, Colorado area. Is that the place that you ever went back to after that? We were just there for the senior trip. I have been back to call there, but not that exact area.

1:17:38 No, gotcha? And have you have you done any research to see if anyone else has seen things in the same area? I did. We asked a couple of people that were there and a park ranger, and they say they would get sightings periodically, but they always wrote it off as bears. But no, no, it's so long ago. It was back eighty six eighty seven. I want to make sure I have the right place. So you said Bear Creek in Colorado? Are there any other places near it that could be like a landmark or a town or anything. Go National Forest? Is what a the end? Okay? Let me look, it's out here Reo National Forest. Oh real, Grand National Forest. Yeah, I think that's what it was called. Yeah, that's what it is. Okay, cool. I just want to make sure of the right place for documenting it.

1:18:33 We were just on a senior trip. Our parents had funded it. We thought it'd be cool. We never went. That's cool. I actually don't have any reports from this area, so I appreciate you coming up and sharing what you experienced. Is this a story I could share on the big Foot podcast that I. Have, Yeah, you can share it. I'm not ashamed of it. Heck, it happened so long. I'm almost seventy years old now, so sure. It's not like I worry if people are going to think I'm great. I don't think so, Sari, and I appreciate you coming up and chatting tonight. Oh you too, sir. I have a blessed day. Hey Kimmy, how are you? I haven't gotten a chance to look at your pictures yet. I'm good.

1:19:15 I lived in North Georgia and there have been many fightings in North Georgia. Absolutely, But back. In January we had a major ice storm and it was a big eye storm and everything was frozen for about three days. And I don't have anybody that comes up and down my road except for me and my daughter. And one morning I got up to take my dog down, and that's about all his deer tracks, animal tracks, or my dog tracks. And I'm always watching. And we didn't use my front steps because there was so much ice on it. We'd go out the garage door, but I always took the dog out off the porch.

1:19:57 He would get on the steps. But when I got out at the bottom. Of the took the dog out, I was standing at the top and I looked down and noticed these footprints, and I'm like, who's been here? Because at first I'm thinking it was a bootprint, But then when I got to looking, it looked like it had weird you could see toes through it. It was very heavy prints. It wasn't it was a lot of ice to go through, so whatever it was heavy, it looked like you men type feet. And if you zoom into the pictures that I sent you, you can see that there are toes in there. You can see how heavy the whatever it was is, because I am one hundred and fifty pounds five eight and I went out there and stomped on that ice because it wasn't there the night before. And I went out and stomped on the ice to see how deep I could get it. And I put a picture in there also of my foot next to that foot, of me stomping. And I couldn't even get down to the bottom of the ice. But this was all the way almost to the Green Creek.

1:21:13 Oh wow, And you said north Georgia. Yes, are you able to share if this is like Chattahoochee National Forest or Northwest Georgia or. It was Chathhooche National Forest, that's cool. Yes. I looked up local sightings and they are all the way up from Delonica to through Helen, all the way up into where I'm at, and they were older ridings. But I had not seen anything but one night, one afternoon, I was in my bedroom and I kept hearing this god awful sound that sounded like a bear and a moose, almost like a gurgle, and I went outside to hear what to see if I could see what it was, because there are a lot of deer. We don't have moose here, but we do have bears. And it bellowed from the bottom of my property. And I wasn't stupid enough to go down to check it out. I wasn't going to go looking for this whatever it was. But nobody could explain the sound to me, because I did.

1:22:22 I got it on a recording, but it was very thing because byfore it that was like at ten in the morning and then by four in the afternoon, I could still hear it groaning as if it was injured. Do you still have that recording? It is on another it's on another TikTok. That I have. Oh, okay, gotcha, So I'll have to let me make sure I'm following you and I'll make sure i'll check that out. Wow, that's cool. Have you ever heard the story of what happened in in dol Enega Dela. Yeah, that's the one that with the I don't know. I've heard so many, researched so many, but I did see where there was one where.

1:23:04 Or heard where people I live at the Hills of the. Might at the Trail of Tears, Okay, the hills of the Appalachian Mountains or the Appalachian Trail. So you hear of a lot of people coming up missing and then finding their tents and their stuff and not finding them. But I've actually heard somebody did a like a podcast or a video of people in Helen that had reported sightings and. There was yeah, hell, Helen has some stuff. And the one that I heard, and so the story I heard on my show was that there was a Cobra helicopter crash and then the soldiers guarding the wreck saw two three large figures that looked like Bigfoot trying to get into the cockpit before pretty much they started firing warning shots at them, and that that's what got them to flee or to get the bigfoot out of there. And that was in the early nineteen eighties.

1:24:17 Oh wow, No, I had not heard this way. But there is a cop a police officer and Helen that was driving with the lady and they actually got footage of something large running across the road and they couldn't explain it. They turned around went back to try to see what it was or to see if they could, and they did not. That one you can see on YouTube. Yes, and that's also I believe that that's also in the first episode of Finding Bigfoot too, Okay. And that's right here local where I'm at, Okay, which is really strange because I've had I hear a wood knocks and the.

1:25:00 We have. Actually down in le j they have a Sasquatch museum, so I went and checked that out because I was very curious about the pictures I took, and I didn't think about doing a casting or anything like that. But they look very similar. Especially where it looks like on the side of the foot that maybe the fur I don't know what that there's imprints on the side of the foot would be, but they were very intosparated from the man. You can see the toes, you can see where the fur. I don't know how to explain the side of that foot where it looks like I don't know what it would be, but they look like it's different. But I can tell you I've lived in the forest long enough to know what a deer a bear. I've had bear prints. They have claws, Okay, I've had bear prints. I know what deer tracks. I know what everything looks like pretty much in this I could not explain. And then there wasn't a person on my there was no tire Prince tire tracks.

1:26:10 I lived in on ten acres a landmark. Okay, somebody would have. And why would anybody go barefoot in a nice storm and it comes from the woods and back into the woods it went. It came up to the porch, stopped at the bottom of the steps, and then went back into the woods. Why, Yeah, it doesn't make sense. Absolutely. I'm going to definitely check out those photographs once I get off this live later tonight. Yeah, and I'll let you know what I think, Kimmy. But thank you for coming up. Is this a conversation I could put on the big Foot podcast that I have? Absolutely? All right, Thank you, ma'am, and keep in touch. If anything else happens out there, I will do. Before we wrap this episode, I want to say something directly to a very specific group of listeners. If you're in the military, any branch or forces, and if you've seen something that no one can explain, or if you're a National park ranger or forestry worker who's been told to stay quiet, or if you're a pilot who's seen something strange down on the ground, or if you're with the FBI a federal agency, or working intelligence and you stumbled upon something you're not allowed to talk about. And if you're a firefighter, paramedic, or search and rescue responder who's heard screams or found tracks that didn't make sense. If you're in the logging industry on a remote oil field, or a trucker with government contracts and you've had something happen that you've never

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