Nov. 10, 2025

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Season 1

A Vietnam veteran shares one of the rarest firsthand encounters ever recorded — a true story that connects two worlds: Bigfoot in Georgia and the legendary Rock Apes of Vietnam.


In this exclusive interview with Bigfoot Society host Jeremiah Byron, Joe recounts his eerie encounter deep in a Georgia swamp and the chilling moments in the jungles of Vietnam when soldiers came face to face with something they called rock apes.


Hear what it was like to see the impossible — from silent footsteps in the swamp to apes throwing rocks on Monkey Mountain. This conversation bridges folklore, warfare, and mystery in a way few stories ever have.

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You're listening to BIGFA Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron. In

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this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to bring

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you first hand encounters from people who say they've seen

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something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers to

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quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere,

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and each one leaves us with more questions than answers.

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These are the voices of the people who've lived it.

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To settle in, because today you'll hear another account that

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just might change the way you see the woods forever.

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So stay with us, all right, pick for Society. You've

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got the privilege of talking to Joe today. Joe is

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an individual that has a history of being a hunter,

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a fisherman. He's also an Air Force veteran and also

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more specifically a Vietnam veteran as well. First off, thank

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you for your service regarding both of those things, Joe.

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But welcome to the show today. How are you, sir?

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I'm good, and thank you for the acknowledging. My servers

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were worth it.

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So, Joe, I know a little bit about your experience

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and it happened quite a ways back in time and

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I'm just very interested in what you had experienced that day,

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So I would say, feel free to take us back

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to that time when you had that encounter out in

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the swamp. Correct.

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That's correct, and I'm more than happy to do that.

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It did. I grew up in southwest Georgia and hunted

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deer and quail and turkey and doves and all of that.

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And one of the things I was privileged to do

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is there are a lot of large plantations around my

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hometown of Albany, Georgia, and I had the privilege of

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being able to hunt on those plantations. One of those

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bordered on a very large swamp called the Koula Wahee.

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One of the things that people don't really know about

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the South is most of the swamps in the South

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are the edges are very thick with brush and trees

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and undergrowth and all those things for about one hundred

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yards in but once you get down inside in the

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center of a swamp, it opens up quite a bit

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and visibility is probably two to three hundred yards. Sometimes.

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What I was doing is deer hunting. We my brother

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and I and some of our friends would hunt together

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and we had marked ourselves paths with reflective tape on

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trees so that we could find our stands before daylight,

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and these reflections would allow us to move that hundred

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yards through the thick brush to get to where our

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stands were. This particular morning, I was using a climb

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what it's called a climbing tree stand, is one where

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you strap it on your feet and you are able

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to climb a tree and sit in the stand for

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most of the day. So I did get down to

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my stand before daylight, got up in the tree, probably

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twenty five feet up, and had a great view saw

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the I was about twenty thirty yards from the stream

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that the Koulawahee Creek that flowed through this swamp and

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deer hunting, and the sun came up, and that's always

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a beautiful time in the woods. The birds were singing,

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the squirrels, and we have a lot of armadillos in

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South Georgia. They were all in the underbrush and the leaves,

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and there were a lot of leaves, as you can imagine,

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on the ground, and pine straw and all those kind

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of things. And this was getting very a good daylight,

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and all of a sudden, the birds and the animals

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stopped there was no sound, and I thought, what in

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the world. I thought maybe deer were coming or heard

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or something like that. And then to my right, I

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saw a hunter, or what I thought was a hunter walking.

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He was all in gray, and I thought, well, that's

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a sure way to get yourself shot during deer season.

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And I thought, that's really strange. And he had a

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very strange gait when he was walking, and he wasn't

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making any noise in the leez or I would say

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when I first saw him, he was probably one hundred

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yards away. He was walking down the path of the

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Kuluahi Creek on the other side of the creek from me.

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And one of the things that you learned very early

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on when you're a hunter is you don't surprise anyone

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in the woods. Sure way to get yourself shot. So

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I didn't say anything. But this person, I thought person,

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I thought, I can't imagine why, but I thought it

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was really strange the way they were moving and walking,

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and their arms seemed to be a bit long. But

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this particular I'll call it a creature because of what

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I believe now, walked by a tree that was on

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the other side of the creek from me and its head.

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Its head passed by a bowl in the tree where

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a limb had broken off and left a scar on

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the tree, and his head passed right by that. As

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it continued walking, wasn't looking to the right or to

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the left, all looking straight ahead, was in no hurry.

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But as I say, I had a very strange gait.

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It was very fluid, just really a strange gait the

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way it was walking. Finally it disappeared to my left,

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probably two hundred yards away. I could no longer see

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the animal or the person or whatever it was at

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that time, and then the birds started singing again, and

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then the creature started coming out in the leaves and things.

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And so I stayed in my stand probably another two

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maybe three hours until almost noon, and got down and

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decided I wanted to go over and see if this

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person left any traces of itself, any footprints or anything,

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maybe what kind of boots they had on or whatever.

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And I got over to this tree where the head

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went by, and I couldn't reach that bowl. It was

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a good ten feet off the ground. So this creature

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was eight to ten feet tall, had to have been

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in order for that. He had to pass by that

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bowl the way I saw it, even looking at it

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down at an angle, it was still. I had covered

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that bowl when he walked by, and I thought, oh,

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my lord, I've just seen a We call him skunk

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apes in the South because they supposedly have a very

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strong odor, although I never smelled this particular creature. So I,

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as you can imagine, my heart was racing at the morment.

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I thought, what have I seen? What in the world

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is going on here? So I came back out met

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my hunting partner that was with me and told him

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the story, and he's first of all, laughed and then

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he saw how shaking I was, and how fearful I

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appeared to be, and he said, you're not kidding, or

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I said, no, I am not kidding. I don't know

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what I saw, but it was huge. It was all gray,

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and it didn't make any noise. I don't know what

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it was. We continued to hunt the swamp never saw

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anything again. This was probably in the fall of nineteen

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sixty six sixty seven. I was in college and I

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was home from college, and usually when I get home

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in the fall, I would always hunt, and so I

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never saw another sign at all. I didn't see any footprints.

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In fact, it looked like the leaves hadn't even been

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disturbed where this creature had walked, so I couldn't see

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a path, I couldn't see any effect of where it

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had been. So I was skeptical at first, But the

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more I thought about it, and the more I have

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read about sasquatch and the things have occurred that I

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became more and more convinced that's what I saw. And

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like I said, that's a lot of years ago, but

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I can see it in my mind just as if

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it happened yesterday. It has stuck with me all these years.

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Have never forgotten a single nuance or minuscule moment that

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all happened while I was watching this creature walk. So

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it's convinced me that there are creatures that we don't

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know about that live, and they are very good at

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avoiding human nature as just I don't think this creature

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had any awareness that I was there, or that I

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had even been there. I was up pretty high, and

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of course I think my scent would have not been

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there by the time I saw it. So I was

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convinced and remain convinced to this day. Be glad to

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answer any questions you might have.

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Oh, absolutely, So it sounds like you were only about

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twenty to thirty yards away from where it passed by

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that tree.

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Yeah, thirty, maybe forty, somewhere in that range. But yeah,

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And this creek is very small. You can step across it,

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but it's all always got water in it. It never

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goes dry. And so I just stepped across the creek

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to go see and this tree that I'm talking about,

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the bowl was on, It's probably ten yards to the

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other side of the creek.

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Okay, So for reference listeners, you're looking at about potentially

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think of a tennis court and a half of a

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tennis court away right out there. You notice, or you

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mentioned a few times, that there is something strange about

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the gate of the creature and that is very fluid.

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Can you just describe or go into any more detail

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what that exactly means.

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Yeah, I know this is going to sound really strange,

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but sounds it looked almost like an ice skater, you know,

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how they're fluid and everything is smooth, and it doesn't

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appear they're taking steps. And I would have thought that

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would have disturbed leaves and everything lot, But that's what

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it appeared to me, is there weren't. It wasn't making steps.

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It was, but it was moving very fluidly. But I

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could tell there were two legs. There were very you

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could see the legs moving, but it was as if

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they were ice skating.

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So that's interesting and to ask a little bit more

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about that. So I'm picturing how an ice skater moves

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in my mind. Is it more the fact that they

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were gliding over the ground or were they actually making

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the same movements that ice skater would make as well?

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I think he was making the same movements. I don't

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think he was gliding over the ground at all. But

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he was definitely walking on the leaves, just the way

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it was walking. I keep saying he but the way

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it was walking wasn't disturbing the leaves, and yet it

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was very fluid in the way that he was moving

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his legs.

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The weirdest thing, because yeah, it is very strange to

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report that. Even stranger is that you hear an equivalent

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of this in a lot of different reports. You hear

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it it looked like a cross country skier. I hear

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that one a lot, or it was just the way

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it is moving as it walked it just didn't make sense,

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So I'd say what you experienced definitely lines up with

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a lot of other reports I get as well. Was

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it doing anything out of the ordinary with its arms

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at that time?

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No, just they were swinging as it's with each stride.

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I can't remember, I think, if I remember correctly, I'm

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closing my eyes and envisioning this again. The arm, the

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opposite arm would swing forward as the leg swung, the

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opposite leg swung forward. So left arm, right leg, right arm,

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left leg, that kind of thing.

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Absolutely, did you notice anything? Were you able to see

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anything about the hands at all?

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No? I thought. Again, my first impression was this was

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a hunter who was putting themselves in a lot of

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danger because they had They were all in gray, and

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it was a very pronounced gray color, darkish gray, but

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very gray. I thought they had gloves on. That was

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the only impression I have, even possibly mittens. It was

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not a terribly cold morning, but a cool morning. We

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didn't have frost that morning or anything, but it was cool,

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and I thought they had gloves on.

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And what do you think would make you think that

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they had gloves or mittens on?

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I guess because I couldn't see fingers. It was almost

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like they maybe had mittens on. I didn't notice any

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fingers at all.

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That makes sense. You had already referred to it as male.

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But then you're like, I'm not really sure. Was it

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a thing where you could Was there anything that showed

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you that, hey, I might be looking at a male

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or a female or really no details that could show that.

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No, I really could. I didn't see any gen to

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tell you at all. I didn't see any memory glands

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or anything like that. It was too far I think

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probably to know that anyway, although I think if they

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had memory glands, I could have told because I could

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see its chest pretty well, so I would say I

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didn't see any characteristics. It was tell me one way

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or the other, gotcha.

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There's a lot of different reports about how the bigfoot

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looks muscle structure wise that you hear, and some people

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say that it's extremely built, like an athlete or a

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football player or bodybuilder, and sometimes it's more lean. Do

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you remember anything about how how the muscles seemed to

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be or anything of that.

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It was quite lean, which when I thought about it

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after in the years ensuing, when I see film and

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videos of people that have shot. Everyone seems to be

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quite well built, but this animal was quite lean.

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Gotcha. And did you get a feel for how old

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it might have been? Sometimes people report it just had

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an older look to it, or maybe a younger look

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to it.

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I would say younger just because of the way it moved.

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It didn't seem to have any hesitation or any issues

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with movement at all, which happens when we all get older.

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But I would say my impression would be it was younger.

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Sure, how long total do you think the whole sighting took?

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Probably five to seven minutes. From the time I saw him,

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was about maybe two hundred yards away until he disappeared,

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was another two to three hundred yards downstream, So I

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would say five to seven minutes. He never stopped and

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was never looked around. Definitely was going somewhere and with

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purpose and just wasn't looking around, noting as anything around it,

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definitely looking straight ahead the whole time.

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So you just want to make sure that is actually

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five to seven minutes. Yes, Oh wow, that's awesome. Most

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people expect to hear the word seconds when I asked

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that that question of five to.

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Say oh no, this wow. Yeah, when you're sitting in

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a deer stand. Sometimes time goes really fast, particularly if

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you're looking at a deer or an animal or and

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I've seen bobcats with kittens in the woods. I've seen turkeys,

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a lot of deer, skunks, I've seen all kinds of

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creatures in the woods from a tree stand, and this

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one was definitely unique. And the time I was at

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least that because it was not in a hurry. It

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wasn't definitely was not running, but it was a steady

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gate to cover that kind of distance. I would say, yeah,

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it was about five minutes or five to seven.

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Was there anything interesting about the posture of it as

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it walked?

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It was leaning forward from the waist, not terribly, but

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I noticed that because in those days I was an athlete,

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and I know when you're walking or running, you're always

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taught to get your shoulders back over your hips. This

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creature had the shoulders were in front of the hips

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when it was walking.

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And okay, did it see how am I going to

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say this? Did you notice any specific details about the

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head shape or the upper part of the body of

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like shoulders and above.

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Yes, I thought when I first saw it, Like I said,

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I thought it was a hunter with a hood on,

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but everything was gray. And then when it got closer,

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I could see that it was shaggy, but a lot

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of hunters wear what's called a gilly suit, which is

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very shaggy to look like leaves or brush or whatever.

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I still thought it was a hunter. But I did

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not see a weapon of any kind. And it's to

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this day I still questioned myself of if you didn't

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see a weapon, why did you continue to think it

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was a hunter? Because I when it went out of sight,

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I still thought it was a hunter. And I had

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no idea how really tall this creature was. And but

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once I went over to this tree and put my

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hand up and realized I couldn't reach where his head

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had passed, I thought, that is no hunter. There is

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nobody I know that is that tall. But the head.

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The only thing I noticed is there was a it

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was like a peak on the head. I don't recall

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seeing ears, because again I had assumed it was a

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hunter with a hood on that would have covered his ears,

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so I probably would have blanked that out anyway. But

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I just said, oh, he's got a and why the

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colored gray? I couldn't reconcile that in my mind, why

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would anybody be in the woods with gray on during

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deer season? But I still had it in my mind

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because I was incredular that it could have been something

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other than a human being. Frankly, But once I got

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down and started and went over and realized how tall

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it was, I thought, Oh, my lord, I have seen

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a skunk cake. Yeah, it's still I get chills when

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I think about it.

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Still, Oh, absolutely, And I would as well. That would

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be with me, as you said, for the rest of

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my life.

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It has been for me, and I'm seventy nine years old,

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and this was this was, like I said, it's as

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clear to me as it was yesterday.

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Using that reference point of the tree when it walked

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in front of it. Were you also able to get

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a sense of how big the head was on what

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you saw, like if you could compare it to maybe

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a household item.

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Well, that's a really good question. I haven't thought about

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that before now that I think about it. The head

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wasn't that large, I would say, maybe the size of

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a trying to think what I could compare it to,

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maybe a a little larger than perhaps a toaster. Okay, sure,

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but now that I think about it and I'm picturing

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it again, the head was pretty small for the body.

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What did its neck seem like or what do you

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remember about the details of the neck.

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It looked like his head was sitting right on his shoulders. Okay, yep,

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I sho didn't seem to have in there.

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So the whole time you're getting a side profile view.

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Is that right correct?

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Okay?

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When I first saw it, it was half front, half side,

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and then as it walked past me, then I got

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to look at it from behind.

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What were the muscles like? Were you able to see

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muscles through the hair or were there points where like

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there are patches where there are no hair and you

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were able to really see muscles underneath.

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I did not, And as I'm talking about it now,

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I think part of it was my mindset was this

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was a hunter, and so I wasn't really looking for

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anything other than this was a hunter in a gilly suit.

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Why it's gray, I have no idea, But I did

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not notice any musculature at all.

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Gotcha? Were you able to see any details of the

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face at any time?

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I could see where the sockets were, but I could

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not see the eyes.

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So you saw the eye sockets. Do you mean you've

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seen like that, maybe the side view of the face

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and you can see the eye socket like shutting out.

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Yeah, not jutting out so much, because again I thought

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it was a hunter with a hood on, and I

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thought it was strange. I could see the darkness of

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where the eyes sockets were, but I could not see eyes.

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Okay, so that's interesting. So it's like they were deeply

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hidden in these iteracs.

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Okay. Correct.

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Did it seem to have hair covering its face as well?

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Yes? Again, I thought it was a hoodie type thing

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that was zipped all the way up, and it must

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have had now I think about it, he must have

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had some kind of protection over its face because it

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was all gray, and I'm sure now it was hair.

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But I couldn't tell much about linked other than it

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was relatively short because I thought it was a hoodie sure,

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so it couldn't have made an impression of being anything

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more than that. So it had to be short hair

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on the face.

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This whole time, let's say five to seven minutes, you're saying,

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there's no sound at.

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All, No sound at all. It didn't make any noises.

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I couldn't hear the footsteps. I couldn't hear the leaves rustling,

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which in that environment in the fall is fairly dry

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in that part of the world, and those leaves make

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a lot of noise, and I was shocked when I

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didn't hear anything.

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Did you have anything on your person that would have

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been like a pocket watch or a watch or something

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that runs on a battery at that time?

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No, not in the I did have my wristwatch on,

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but it was one of those back in those days

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that wound it up by the movement on your arm.

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It didn't have a battery.

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That's true. Good point. Yeah, we're talking a nineteen sixty

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six or nineteen sixty seven.

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Yeah, yeah, it was a few years ago.

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Absolutely, did you or in this area, have you ever

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noticed anything eltse weird that doesn't make sense anything besides

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what you saw that day?

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Now, I remember once a different part of this particular swamp.

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I was quite a ways upstream, maybe half a mile

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from where this encounter happened. There were small pine trees

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that had been uprooted and leaned together, and it was

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only maybe four or five so it wasn't like it

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was a shelter or anything, but that's the only thing

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I can remember that I thought was strange because they'd

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been uprooted and there was nothing around them that had

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been uprooted, So I frankly didn't think too much about

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it until now that I'm making a connection, and maybe

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because I don't know of what other animal could have

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uprooted those pine trees, because pine trees have a pretty

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long tap root and it's hard to get them out

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of the ground.

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Absolutely, yeah, that's definitely worth noticing. At any point in

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this area, did you ever notice anything like a strange

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lights or light type objects floating around anything like that.

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I did not, But one of the guys that we

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hunted with said he saw a light and this was

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probably I'm not even sure it was the same year,

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but in the same swamp, saw a light floating that

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it was dull, it wasn't very bright. He thought it

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was somebody with a flashlight, but it moved and then

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it stopped and then just went out, and he thought

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that it was somebody with a flashlight that got to

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their tree stand mclimb. But that was the only instance

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I can ever remember of anybody talking about a light

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in that swamp.

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And how far away from where your instance happened would

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have been his. Do you have any location info there?

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It was? Probably he was further It could have been

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a mile.

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Okay, gotcha. During your experience, did you have any did

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you notice any smells that were out of the ordinary?

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I didn't, And I thought that was unusual, because, like

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I say that that's the deal in the South, as

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they call them skunkcase because they smelled so strongly. But

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I didn't, and I have since I've hunted. I moved

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to the Northwest. I live in Spokane, Washington area now,

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and I've hunted elk, and you can smell elk from

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a long way off because they have a very distinct odor.

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But I did not that morning. I did not smell

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anything unusual.

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During your time in the tree stand. Did you notice

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the temperature fluctuating a lot at any point to it

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get either really hot or really cold?

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No? I did not, Okay.

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And did you notice any sounds that didn't make sense

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that shouldn't be in the woods that same day or

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other day as you were out there?

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Not that I can think of. The only other experience

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I ever had like that was in a different part

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of the swamp. I was sitting on a tree stump

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on the ground before daylight and had a wildcat scream,

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and bobcats are very prolific in the South, and a wildcat, bobcat,

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this scream sounds like a woman screaming. And that I

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heard one scream which made me wish I was in

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a tree stand but never saw anything, never, just the

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one scream, and I never heard it again.

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Yeah, I've heard that myself, and it is. It's one

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of the weirdest sounds. It's very unsettling.

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Yes, it is.

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Yeah, yeah, it really is. Oh, in this area when

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you were living in this area, did you ever hear

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any reports of I guess we could say people seeing

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things in the sky floating around, like UFOs or other

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creatures besides Bigfoot.

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Not At that time south of we were only about

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Albany's about forty to fifty miles from the Florida border,

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and I remember there were people in Florida that were

473
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reporting UFOs in the Pensacola area en Siccola's probably two

474
00:29:52.480 --> 00:29:56.720
hours from Albany. But other than that, no, I don't

475
00:29:56.759 --> 00:30:01.160
remember anybody in the Albany area saying anything that they

476
00:30:01.160 --> 00:30:04.960
would call UFOs. But the truth is in those days

477
00:30:05.640 --> 00:30:08.160
if people had said, they probably wouldn't have said anything.

478
00:30:10.680 --> 00:30:15.359
Gotcha, I want to ask. Sorry, there's some questions I

479
00:30:15.359 --> 00:30:16.880
want to ask you, but I want to ask if

480
00:30:16.880 --> 00:30:19.359
it's okay to do it first. So it does have

481
00:30:19.400 --> 00:30:24.640
to do with your service in Vietnam because there is

482
00:30:24.680 --> 00:30:28.640
an overlap with this subject, And honestly, I've never been

483
00:30:28.680 --> 00:30:32.200
able to ask this to a Vietnam veteran because it

484
00:30:32.319 --> 00:30:36.200
is hard to get that contact. So when you were

485
00:30:36.559 --> 00:30:41.640
over in Vietnam during the timeframe, I would guess after

486
00:30:42.200 --> 00:30:43.440
the sixties.

487
00:30:43.000 --> 00:30:45.920
Right, I was there in nineteen seventy one.

488
00:30:46.119 --> 00:30:49.119
Okay, there are reports that have come out over the

489
00:30:49.240 --> 00:30:54.920
years where there were certain service individuals in Vietnam where

490
00:30:54.920 --> 00:30:58.480
they would actually have encounters or sightings of what was

491
00:30:58.519 --> 00:31:02.680
called a rock ape, which is pretty much another form

492
00:31:02.720 --> 00:31:05.759
of bigfoot. But that would be that would have been

493
00:31:05.839 --> 00:31:08.240
cited in Vietnam during the time of the Vietnam War.

494
00:31:08.359 --> 00:31:11.440
Is that anything that you had heard yourself over there

495
00:31:11.440 --> 00:31:12.000
in that area?

496
00:31:13.720 --> 00:31:17.799
Absolutely? Yes. I was stationed at a radar site on

497
00:31:17.920 --> 00:31:22.519
top of a mountain called Monkey Mountain. It's right outside Danang,

498
00:31:23.440 --> 00:31:27.559
and there were a species of what we call rock

499
00:31:27.599 --> 00:31:32.000
apes that lived on Monkey Mountain and a lot of

500
00:31:32.119 --> 00:31:34.480
us would. We lived at the base of the mountain,

501
00:31:35.119 --> 00:31:39.240
and when we were going up and down for our duty,

502
00:31:39.640 --> 00:31:42.640
we rode in a what's called a six by truck

503
00:31:43.119 --> 00:31:45.200
up and down the mountain. But a lot of guys

504
00:31:45.279 --> 00:31:48.279
would jog up and down. There was a paved road

505
00:31:49.000 --> 00:31:52.640
up and down the mountain, and many times the rock

506
00:31:52.720 --> 00:31:56.359
apes would throw rocks at them as they ran by.

507
00:31:57.920 --> 00:32:02.559
Oh wow, so manytime? Sorry, what size of rocks were

508
00:32:02.559 --> 00:32:03.400
they throwing at them?

509
00:32:04.279 --> 00:32:10.200
They were probably a pound in weight and throwing these rocks,

510
00:32:10.799 --> 00:32:14.319
heaving them at these guys as they jogged by, and

511
00:32:14.359 --> 00:32:19.319
we mostly just avoided them. But I know the Vietnamese harvested.

512
00:32:19.799 --> 00:32:21.680
I don't know if you know what kudzoo is.

513
00:32:22.119 --> 00:32:25.000
Sure, yeah, the kudzu grew.

514
00:32:25.039 --> 00:32:28.880
Quite prolifically on the mountain, and that mountain was sprayed

515
00:32:28.920 --> 00:32:34.319
a lot with Agent orange. But the Vietnamese would harvest

516
00:32:34.400 --> 00:32:40.240
kudzu and eat it. And I'm rated at one hundred

517
00:32:40.279 --> 00:32:43.440
percent disabled because of Asian orange, because we got it

518
00:32:43.519 --> 00:32:48.279
sprayed on us many times on this mountain. But it

519
00:32:48.319 --> 00:32:50.920
really seemed to have little to no effect on the rockades.

520
00:32:50.960 --> 00:32:56.480
But the agent orange effects occurred many years, much longer

521
00:32:56.519 --> 00:32:59.000
time period than what we would have seen on these

522
00:32:59.079 --> 00:33:03.319
rock ades. But there weren't a lot of them. I

523
00:33:03.400 --> 00:33:06.440
only saw in my experience. I think I may have

524
00:33:06.519 --> 00:33:11.079
seen three one time, I saw two and then one

525
00:33:11.160 --> 00:33:14.839
other time. But they weren't doing anything other than looking

526
00:33:14.920 --> 00:33:19.240
like apes in the woods. They weren't throwing or they

527
00:33:19.279 --> 00:33:23.200
could see me, and they were making what I would

528
00:33:23.200 --> 00:33:27.200
call monkey noises. But other than that, they behaved like

529
00:33:27.799 --> 00:33:30.000
apes what I saw.

530
00:33:31.119 --> 00:33:34.000
Okay, so you had multiple times where you actually had

531
00:33:34.000 --> 00:33:37.319
sightings yourself. That is fascinating. Would you say what you

532
00:33:37.440 --> 00:33:40.680
saw in Vietnam was similar to what you saw in

533
00:33:40.720 --> 00:33:42.680
Georgia or was it extremely different?

534
00:33:44.039 --> 00:33:48.200
Extremely different? These rock ades were reddish brown in color,

535
00:33:49.279 --> 00:33:54.319
and I don't recall any gray on any of them.

536
00:33:56.039 --> 00:34:00.240
And they were smaller the ones that we saw. If

537
00:34:00.240 --> 00:34:02.319
they were five feet tall, i'd just chrised.

538
00:34:06.079 --> 00:34:08.559
How far away were you from them when you would

539
00:34:08.599 --> 00:34:10.119
have your sightings of them?

540
00:34:11.119 --> 00:34:14.920
Twenty feet maybe?

541
00:34:15.599 --> 00:34:20.760
Gotcha? Were you able to see any facial features in

542
00:34:20.800 --> 00:34:21.480
those sightings?

543
00:34:23.079 --> 00:34:31.360
Yes, I would say they appeared more like chimpanzees than

544
00:34:31.400 --> 00:34:37.760
anything in the face, big mouth teeth, because they would

545
00:34:37.760 --> 00:34:40.639
grimace at you and trying to show their displeasure at

546
00:34:40.639 --> 00:34:44.119
your presence, that kind of thing. So I would say

547
00:34:44.960 --> 00:34:50.280
that's what they mostly reminded me of were chimpanzees or

548
00:34:51.159 --> 00:34:52.320
very small gorillas.

549
00:34:54.599 --> 00:34:59.159
So that's really interesting. So really small gorillas. What was

550
00:34:59.199 --> 00:35:02.159
it about them that would make you think that it

551
00:35:02.159 --> 00:35:05.199
looked like a small gorilla.

552
00:35:05.960 --> 00:35:11.880
They were built pretty stoutly, and they had their arms

553
00:35:12.360 --> 00:35:15.679
were the upper arm was rather large, they had a

554
00:35:15.760 --> 00:35:23.920
long forearm, and the pretty strong legs, particularly the thigh

555
00:35:24.199 --> 00:35:28.400
area was pretty pronounced. That's what made me think of it.

556
00:35:28.440 --> 00:35:33.079
And they did not have the pronounced belly that you

557
00:35:33.159 --> 00:35:38.760
see on most gorillas. They were fairly lean in that regard,

558
00:35:38.840 --> 00:35:41.719
but they were obviously very muscular.

559
00:35:45.960 --> 00:35:50.000
Were there ever any situations where there would be extremely

560
00:35:50.039 --> 00:35:55.639
close interactions between the service men there and the rock apes.

561
00:35:57.519 --> 00:36:00.840
Other than the rock throwing, not that I'm aware.

562
00:36:00.559 --> 00:36:07.000
Of, gotcha? Was it a thing where people you're serving

563
00:36:07.039 --> 00:36:09.599
with over there? They just people would talk about it,

564
00:36:09.679 --> 00:36:12.119
be like, hey, you're new here, you got to know

565
00:36:12.239 --> 00:36:15.239
there's these big apes out in the woods they're going

566
00:36:15.280 --> 00:36:17.800
to throw rocks at you. Or were you told about

567
00:36:17.840 --> 00:36:20.679
this and talk to about it by maybe higher ups

568
00:36:20.679 --> 00:36:24.159
as well.

569
00:36:22.719 --> 00:36:26.559
No, not by higher ups, but for those that were equal.

570
00:36:27.239 --> 00:36:30.440
I was a second lieutenant when I went there, and

571
00:36:30.519 --> 00:36:32.880
so there were a lot of us because of all

572
00:36:32.920 --> 00:36:36.639
the radar controllers were officers, and then we had enlisted

573
00:36:36.679 --> 00:36:40.000
as our technicians that work with us on the radar scopes.

574
00:36:40.719 --> 00:36:44.800
And I did get some warnings that if you jog,

575
00:36:45.679 --> 00:36:49.079
don't go by yourself. And part of the other things too,

576
00:36:49.239 --> 00:36:52.800
is about two months before I arrived, one of the

577
00:36:52.880 --> 00:36:58.880
technicians got captured by the Viacom, and so we were

578
00:36:58.920 --> 00:37:03.880
always very conscious of that as well. So we and frankly,

579
00:37:03.920 --> 00:37:08.360
we always were armed when we went jogging. To my knowledge,

580
00:37:08.400 --> 00:37:10.280
no one ever tried to shoot a rock ape.

581
00:37:12.039 --> 00:37:17.000
Gotcha. So really that warning potentially could have been not

582
00:37:17.239 --> 00:37:20.920
so much towards the rockades, like be careful of the rockies,

583
00:37:20.920 --> 00:37:23.239
but it could have been be careful that we just

584
00:37:23.320 --> 00:37:25.239
had a guy get captured by the Viet Cong and

585
00:37:25.280 --> 00:37:26.599
we don't want you to get kept.

586
00:37:26.719 --> 00:37:30.639
Yeah, and telling us about the rock age to me

587
00:37:30.880 --> 00:37:34.400
didn't sound like a warning at all. It was just, hey,

588
00:37:34.480 --> 00:37:38.360
here's something interesting that's on the mountain kind.

589
00:37:38.159 --> 00:37:41.679
Of thing that's really that's really cool. When this is

590
00:37:42.199 --> 00:37:46.480
I really I apologize if this comes across as me

591
00:37:46.599 --> 00:37:49.000
not having a lot of knowledge about this time in history.

592
00:37:49.639 --> 00:37:53.480
Were there any points where you would have been talking

593
00:37:53.519 --> 00:37:57.679
directly to the Vietnamese and this would have been referenced

594
00:37:57.679 --> 00:37:58.360
in conversation.

595
00:38:00.920 --> 00:38:04.119
That's a very good question. And yeah, we were co

596
00:38:04.239 --> 00:38:08.679
located with the Vietnamese unit that also they did the

597
00:38:08.760 --> 00:38:12.960
radar control of the Vietnamese aircraft, and I got to

598
00:38:13.000 --> 00:38:17.239
know quite a few of them, and I don't recall

599
00:38:18.599 --> 00:38:20.800
that ever coming up. We talked about a lot of

600
00:38:20.840 --> 00:38:24.199
different things, food and what we like to eat and

601
00:38:24.840 --> 00:38:30.320
those kind of things, but I don't ever recall them

602
00:38:30.360 --> 00:38:32.639
saying anything about the Rock Ape one way or the other.

603
00:38:33.480 --> 00:38:37.400
Sure, were there any other strange events that would happen

604
00:38:37.800 --> 00:38:42.639
on this mountain area that you're stationed at besides the

605
00:38:42.679 --> 00:38:45.000
sightings and interactions with the rock Apes.

606
00:38:47.159 --> 00:38:50.239
No, just being there was strange. But knowing that there

607
00:38:50.239 --> 00:38:54.079
are people out there shooting at you is I can't

608
00:38:54.119 --> 00:38:57.960
think of anything that would be out of the ordinary

609
00:38:58.440 --> 00:39:03.880
in a war zone occurred. It's everybody's pretty much worried

610
00:39:03.920 --> 00:39:08.440
about keeping their butts alive. I can't think of anything

611
00:39:08.480 --> 00:39:11.280
other than that. Just being aware that they ate were.

612
00:39:11.079 --> 00:39:17.519
There when you would see them grimace at you. Were

613
00:39:17.519 --> 00:39:20.599
you able to get a look at what the teeth

614
00:39:20.679 --> 00:39:21.480
actually looked like.

615
00:39:23.760 --> 00:39:28.840
I did, very much like a baboon or a chimpanzee,

616
00:39:29.159 --> 00:39:34.880
long canines. It was obvious they were omnivorous and they

617
00:39:35.079 --> 00:39:38.199
ate meat. They ate a lot of the There were

618
00:39:38.199 --> 00:39:41.320
a lot of different fruit trees that grew on the

619
00:39:41.320 --> 00:39:44.719
mountain and that kind of thing even after the agent

620
00:39:44.800 --> 00:39:45.760
orange was sprayed.

621
00:39:48.800 --> 00:39:52.920
So it sounds like the interactions continued to happen even

622
00:39:53.000 --> 00:39:57.320
after like agent orange was sprayed. Are okay, did that

623
00:39:57.440 --> 00:40:04.760
affect the how the apes treated this service men that

624
00:40:04.760 --> 00:40:05.599
were on the mountain?

625
00:40:08.199 --> 00:40:10.119
I know, I don't think I could make a connection

626
00:40:10.239 --> 00:40:12.599
between the two. I don't think so, gotcha.

627
00:40:12.639 --> 00:40:16.039
So it wasn't like increased aggression or anything after the

628
00:40:16.280 --> 00:40:19.880
rank start, not that we could take. Man, that's fascinating.

629
00:40:20.079 --> 00:40:25.840
So what you had? Okay, how about this? Did anyone

630
00:40:26.000 --> 00:40:31.079
attempt to take any photos or videos? Because there would

631
00:40:31.079 --> 00:40:35.360
have been from what I I think, I know, there

632
00:40:35.360 --> 00:40:39.440
would have been individuals that had taken media types of

633
00:40:39.559 --> 00:40:42.280
photos and videos at that in that war.

634
00:40:42.360 --> 00:40:45.480
Correct, correct? Oh, yeah, quite a bit.

635
00:40:45.719 --> 00:40:48.639
Yeah. Do you know if anyone was like, hey, I'm

636
00:40:48.639 --> 00:40:50.639
going to go take a picture of the rocky a

637
00:40:50.719 --> 00:40:53.280
bird a video and try to get this documented. Anything

638
00:40:53.360 --> 00:40:54.320
like that ever come up.

639
00:40:55.880 --> 00:41:01.159
There may have been I don't recall ever seeing, and

640
00:41:01.440 --> 00:41:06.079
most of the guys that had cameras were using film

641
00:41:06.760 --> 00:41:11.840
to create slides rather than printed photos. I don't know

642
00:41:11.880 --> 00:41:15.960
why that was the case, but almost everybody just created slides,

643
00:41:16.039 --> 00:41:19.519
so you didn't we didn't sit and look at each

644
00:41:19.559 --> 00:41:22.679
other's slides very much. They would mostly just ship them

645
00:41:22.760 --> 00:41:26.159
back home. So there may have been I never saw any.

646
00:41:26.920 --> 00:41:33.079
There's there's also something that I want to ask about

647
00:41:33.480 --> 00:41:41.079
in just really quick There is a I don't even

648
00:41:41.079 --> 00:41:43.119
know if you would call it an urban legend or anything.

649
00:41:43.119 --> 00:41:45.239
There's posts that have gone around in the last few

650
00:41:45.320 --> 00:41:48.760
years that there was a form of early night vision

651
00:41:48.920 --> 00:41:52.519
goggles that were used in the Vietnam War, and then

652
00:41:53.360 --> 00:41:56.599
individuals were stopped from using them because of what they

653
00:41:56.599 --> 00:42:00.119
would see. Is that anything that you would run into

654
00:42:00.199 --> 00:42:01.119
during your time there.

655
00:42:03.239 --> 00:42:06.639
Now, it's true there was a form, but it was

656
00:42:06.760 --> 00:42:11.400
a handheld device and you could only look at it

657
00:42:11.440 --> 00:42:16.840
through one eye, and it was pretty rudimentary. I have

658
00:42:17.000 --> 00:42:20.840
not heard of anybody being told not to use it,

659
00:42:20.920 --> 00:42:23.880
but those were mostly the ones that I'm aware of

660
00:42:24.280 --> 00:42:29.239
that were using them were what we today would call

661
00:42:29.360 --> 00:42:35.400
Special Forces CIA guys, guys that were they maybe only

662
00:42:35.480 --> 00:42:37.440
go one or two of them at a time into

663
00:42:37.480 --> 00:42:41.199
the bush. They were assassination squads for lack of a

664
00:42:41.239 --> 00:42:44.480
better term, and they used night vision godless, but I

665
00:42:44.599 --> 00:42:48.800
never heard anybody tell them not to use them at all.

666
00:42:49.800 --> 00:42:51.760
But they had a very specific mission.

667
00:42:54.400 --> 00:42:57.000
And so, first of thank you so much for being

668
00:42:57.599 --> 00:43:02.880
extremely candid about your time and service over there and this.

669
00:43:04.760 --> 00:43:08.320
It's just incredible that you have this information that you're

670
00:43:08.360 --> 00:43:13.119
able to share because people have tried to interview people

671
00:43:13.599 --> 00:43:17.440
that have had first hand accounts about this during the

672
00:43:17.519 --> 00:43:20.800
Vietnam War and it just it never I don't think

673
00:43:20.840 --> 00:43:22.719
a lot of it has really happened. So I just

674
00:43:22.760 --> 00:43:24.360
thank you so much for being willing to do so.

675
00:43:24.679 --> 00:43:29.199
Sure absolutely, Thinking back of I'll ask it about both places. So,

676
00:43:29.719 --> 00:43:31.760
thinking back of what you had seen a few times

677
00:43:31.840 --> 00:43:37.039
during the Vietnam War, would you categorize what you saw

678
00:43:37.480 --> 00:43:41.119
more in the category of it was pretty much an

679
00:43:41.159 --> 00:43:44.320
ape that lives in Vietnam, or it was maybe more

680
00:43:44.400 --> 00:43:48.440
like some weird type of bigfoot.

681
00:43:49.559 --> 00:43:53.559
I would say it was more an ape, okay. And

682
00:43:53.639 --> 00:43:56.400
I was pretty familiar with animals that when I first

683
00:43:56.440 --> 00:43:59.519
went to school college, I'll want to be a veniran.

684
00:44:00.280 --> 00:44:03.440
So I loved animals and was very familiar with them.

685
00:44:04.079 --> 00:44:07.320
And I would say, yeah, very much. They were an

686
00:44:07.360 --> 00:44:12.719
ape like creature, not a more humanoid that I saw

687
00:44:12.800 --> 00:44:15.960
in the swamp, because that was much more a humanoid

688
00:44:16.000 --> 00:44:18.519
to me. Like I said, I thought all along it

689
00:44:18.559 --> 00:44:18.960
was a hunter.

690
00:44:21.159 --> 00:44:26.679
Gotcha? So really, same question than in the swamp what

691
00:44:26.800 --> 00:44:29.639
you saw? It sounds like you're not really leaning towards

692
00:44:30.000 --> 00:44:33.840
it was some undiscovered ape at all.

693
00:44:34.000 --> 00:44:39.440
Totally. It was definitely humanoid in my opinion, not ape like.

694
00:44:39.519 --> 00:44:43.639
It did not walk or act or anything like an ape.

695
00:44:45.159 --> 00:44:49.800
Fascinating. During your time in Georgia, did you ever hear

696
00:44:49.840 --> 00:44:55.000
any other stories of individuals having run ends with something

697
00:44:55.039 --> 00:44:56.440
similar to what you saw that day?

698
00:44:58.480 --> 00:45:03.800
Nobody that saw any I've heard people talk about smells

699
00:45:04.239 --> 00:45:11.199
and sounds that they didn't understand when hunting, but I

700
00:45:11.440 --> 00:45:14.719
never talked to another person that said they saw something.

701
00:45:17.159 --> 00:45:21.840
And so you are currently no longer in Georgia, correct?

702
00:45:23.199 --> 00:45:26.119
Correct? I live in eastern Washington.

703
00:45:25.800 --> 00:45:32.039
Okay, gotcha? So Eastern Washington. Have you had any interesting

704
00:45:32.239 --> 00:45:36.320
things happen up there, or heard any things from locals

705
00:45:36.360 --> 00:45:37.559
you've met, et cetera.

706
00:45:39.480 --> 00:45:44.800
Yes, I when I first moved here, I continued hunting

707
00:45:44.880 --> 00:45:46.599
quite a bit, so I spent a lot of time

708
00:45:46.639 --> 00:45:49.360
in the woods. But I had changed over. I was

709
00:45:49.360 --> 00:45:52.840
a bow hunter, and I spent quite a bit of

710
00:45:52.880 --> 00:45:56.920
time in the forest in and around in eastern Washington

711
00:45:57.519 --> 00:46:02.920
hunting deer and elk early and people have talked about

712
00:46:03.519 --> 00:46:07.480
seeing something. Almost everybody that I talked to it was

713
00:46:07.519 --> 00:46:10.960
at a very great distance, since that it was a

714
00:46:11.039 --> 00:46:16.679
dark spot, or they first thought it was a deer

715
00:46:17.000 --> 00:46:20.280
or something, and yet it the shape wasn't right. That

716
00:46:20.400 --> 00:46:26.039
kind of thing. I've heard those kind of discussions multiple times,

717
00:46:26.719 --> 00:46:30.559
but I never had any kind of experience like that

718
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at all. And I've been in the woods and snow

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up to my waist. I've been in the early part

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of the year when there was no snow, and I've

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never experienced what I experienced in that swamp.

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Joe, what what an awesome conversation. I have thoroughly enjoyed it.

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I want to make sure that you were able to

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share everything that you had come to the show to

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share today.

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Again, I want to compliment you for what you guys

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are doing. I think people need to understand that this

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is real. This is not something that people are imagining

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or making up or trying to create a hoax. I

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think there are a lot of people now that are

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very serious about this, including a number of universities, particularly

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in the Northwest, that are very serious about attempting to

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discover what this race of creatures might be.

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I definitely agree with you. Thank you so much Joe

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for coming on the show today. It's been a pleasure

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talking to you. And thank you so much.

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Same here Jeremiah, thank you. I will continue to follow.

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Before we wrap this episode, I want to say something

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directly to a very specific group of listeners. If you're

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in the military, any branch or forces, and if you've

741
00:48:02.719 --> 00:48:05.559
seen something that no one can explain, or if you're

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00:48:05.559 --> 00:48:08.840
a National park ranger or forestry worker who's been told

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00:48:08.880 --> 00:48:11.840
to stay quiet, or if you're a pilot who's seen

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00:48:11.960 --> 00:48:15.159
something strange down on the ground, or if you're with

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00:48:15.239 --> 00:48:18.800
the FBI a federal agency, or working intelligence and you

746
00:48:18.920 --> 00:48:22.039
stumbled upon something you're not allowed to talk about. And

747
00:48:22.079 --> 00:48:25.440
if you're a firefighter, paramedic, or search and rescue responder

748
00:48:25.519 --> 00:48:28.800
who's heard screams or found tracks that didn't make sense.

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00:48:29.320 --> 00:48:33.159
If you're in the logging industry on a remote oil field,

750
00:48:33.280 --> 00:48:36.320
or a trucker with government contracts and you've had something

751
00:48:36.400 --> 00:48:39.800
happen that you've never told a soul. And if you're

752
00:48:39.840 --> 00:48:43.719
a biologist, a wildlife specialist, or a field researcher under

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00:48:43.719 --> 00:48:47.079
contract who has found evidence you're not allowed to report.

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If you're a pastor, a missionary, or someone on a

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00:48:50.119 --> 00:48:53.639
spiritual retreat and you saw something that shook your faith,

756
00:48:54.320 --> 00:48:57.440
or if you work in the shadows CIA, NSA or

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anything with clearance and you've seen what the public hasn't,

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then I want to talk to you, even if it's anonymous.

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You can reach me at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com.

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The world needs to hear what you've been forced to

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00:49:13.840 --> 00:49:19.639
carry alone. And you're not alone. You've got the story,

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We've got the mic.

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See you in the woods.

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Thank you for listening to this episode of the Bigfoot

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Society podcast. Every encounter we share reminds us that the

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world is bigger and stranger than we think, and that

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the truth is often hiding just beyond the tree line.

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If you enjoyed this episode. Please be sure to subscribe

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And remember, if you or someone you know has had

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a Bigfoot sighting, please I'd love to hear from you,

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so email me at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com

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as much as you are. Thanks again for following along

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with the Bigfoot Society until next time, keep your eyes open,

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trust your gut, and never stop asking what else might

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be out there? And see you in the woods.