Washington’s Triangle of Terror: Adams, Helens, Rainier

0:00 You're listening to BIGFA Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron. In this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to bring you first hand encounters from people who say they've seen something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers to quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere, and each one leaves us with more questions than answers. These are the voices of the people who've lived it. To settle in, because today you'll hear another account that just might change the way you see the woods forever. So stay with us, all right, pick the Society. You've got the privilege of talking to Alan today. Alan is an outdoorsman, hunter and a fisherman who I get contacted with, and he's here to talk about some things he's experienced over the years in a few different states. So welcome to the show. Alan. How are you doing today, sir, I'm great, Thank you very much. Absolutely. We were just talking a few minutes before this, and it sounds like in order to start this off, we'll be going back few years to some experiences you had in Colorado. It feel free to take us back there and you take it away sir.

1:09 All right. And the very first incident, if you would call it that, that I can recall, would be the fall of mid fall of nineteen seventy four. Grew up in central Colorado hunting and fishing with my folks. Hunting was an annual event with my dad, and this was before I could drive. But in the fall of seventy four or late October, we had gone gear hunting outside the town of Salida, Colorado, up near and old what appeared to be an abandoned quarry, and we arrived at that location late in the evening, probably around ten or eleven o'clock at night. Typically we were up by four in the morning to start our hunts on opening day. So my dad found this spot in this full off to the side of the road, and as typical, we would sleep in the back of the suburban and basically hunt from there. So we crawled into the back of the suburban, got into our sleeping bags.

2:13 Somewhere in the night, I'm guessing around one in the morning or so, my dad let out this blood curling scream and all he would say, all he could say was that it's staring at us. And as he's screaming that he flew out of a sleeping bag, over the seat into the driver's seat and had the truck started before I could even wake up and get out of my sleeping bag. He was so scared that his hands were basically locked around the steering wheel, and he drove like a madman until we ended up almost seventy miles away in the little town of Canyon City, where we had to stop at a gas By then it was early morning, and when he finally got calmed down, got gas back in the truck, he declared that the hunt was over and we went home for the year. So we didn't hunt at all in seventy four. I never saw anything, I didn't hear anything. It was just him with that scream, and I've never heard My Dad's a calm person. He doesn't get panicked about anything, and this was so out of character, including the manner in which he drove. He drove like an idiot teenager, so it was so out of character for him.

3:35 But he would never talk about this. Particular incident for many years, and I'll get into that as we moved forward through time. The following year fall of nineteen seventy five, just before the hunting season started. I asked him if we were going to go hunting again, and he was really reluctant, and all he would say is that, yeah, we'll go hunting. We're not going back to Salida. So as a hunting season approached, he had chosen the spot on the west side of Pike's Peak, up in the mountains at about eight nine thousand feet heavily timbered, and again we left after he got home off of work on a Friday evening, got up there fairly late, crawled into the back of the truck, and went to sleep.

4:25 The following morning, we got up early around four o'clock or so. There was about eighteen inches of snow on the ground hold out or remember, just being brutally cold. But the place where he had pulled off the road, there was a line of trees at about thirty yards deep, and then it broke open into a meadow, and the meadow was probably about three hundred yards across. But in the center of this meadow was another group of trees, so it was almost doughnut shaped. You had this group of trees in the very center and then his broad meadow all the way around, and then the line of freeze again. So his instructions were for me to break through the tree line or wait along the edge of the meadow and just watch for movement. I'm still dark out.

5:15 The sun has not even started to come up yet. He said he was going to work his way around the far edges of the tree line to the far side of the meadow and then work his way back, and he wanted me to just watch for any deer elka movement or anything we were deer hunting. So I found a stump to sit on and sat there in the dark, waiting, and I could hear him trudging through the snow for several minutes as he made his way around the left side, going out towards the far end of the meadow. As I sat there and what eventually turned. Into silence as his footsteps and disappeared into the snow and distance.

5:56 I sat there in the silence. I looked off to the far end of the tree line and then this meadow, to this group of trees in the center of the meadow, and I saw this dark movement, and so my eyes fixed on that. Even though it's still fairly dark out, I could see movement, and the figure was dark and I figured probably an elk, maybe a deer, But then my eyes adjusted some and I rationed in my mind that it was too big to be a deer. I continued to watch, and I thought maybe a bear because it was big. And then I rationalized again that no, it's not bear. It could be a bear, but probably not because it's too far into the.

6:40 Winter a bear would be nibernating. Now this is the mind of a fifteen year old. I continued to wash for several minutes, and then eventually this dark figure. Appeared to stand up. And slowly walk away from me, and all I could see was just basically a silhouette. But I'm thinking, in my mind, a bear doesn't stand up and walk away. It's too big for an milk, way too big for a deer or a coyote. I don't know what this is, and to this day, I don't know what I saw.

7:22 I just know what I saw that makes any sense. Fast forward many more years. My dad again would never talk about the incident. Outside of Salidea, Colorado in nineteen seventy four. In two thousand and nine, I moved. I lived in several places all my life, but in two thousand and nine, I moved to Washington State. And that's where I have been ever since. In twenty twelve, at work during a lunch period, one I happened to be reading online a copy of Field and Stream magazine, and I believe it was twenty twelve timeframe.

8:11 In this Field and Stream was an article by a lady and her husband from purportedly from Salida, Colorado, and an experience with what they reported as a bigfoot in an area called Goat Gulch. So curiously, I began to look on maps and I found the area called Goat Golch near Salida, but also near an abandoned quarry, so that really piqued my interest. I finished reading the article and it was pretty intriguing the experience that this couple had with what they reported as a bigfoot. So I copied the article and I emailed that article to my folks, and I just asked my mom if she would read the article to my dad and ask him if that is what he saw back in nineteen seventy four. So the following weekend, when I did my typical weekend phone call to my folks, this is a check in, I asked my mom if she had received the article. She said yes. I said, did you read it to Dad?

9:27 She said yes, And I said what did he say? And she put him on the phone and he was really quiet for a minute, and I said, Dad, what did you think of the article? He said, what's pretty interesting? I said, is that what you saw that year we were hunting? And all he would say was yes, wouldn't talk about it further, wouldn't talk about it again. But that was the only confirmation I've ever had from him. He says that what they describe in that article is what he saw staring at him, staring at us through the window of the suburban back in nineteen seventy four.

10:11 Fast forward again another few years. On Father's Day weekend of twenty fifteen, myself and two friends from work had decided to go do some fishing up near Yakima, Washington. There's a little there's a fairly large day called Rimrock Lake, and then on. The western end of rim Rock is another small lake called Clear Lake. On the west side of Clear Lake is a little day use area for parking, and then next to that day use area there's a LDS or latter Day Saint Church camp for youth and then across the little handle of the lake from that is another church camp. I don't recall if it's a Baptist camp or something, but another church camp and a couple of campgrounds.

11:02 The acoustics in this lake area are pretty phenomenal. Where we were in the and this little peninsula sticking out into Clear Lake, you could clearly hear conversations across the lake at both church camps on either side of us. All the way around the canyon, you could hear a conversation as normal as what. You're probably hearing me now, or close to it. So the acoustics were pretty good. We arrived at Clear Lake at about six thirty in the morning, just as the sun was coming up, and we set out on this little peninsula it sticks out into the lake, spread out a little bit about twenty yards apart.

11:45 Each started to do our fishing. About fifteen to twenty minutes after we got there, another car pulled into the datus area with a husband and wife and a couple of kids. They got out of their car and started to unpack whatever they were getting, lawn chairs or picnic foods. I have no idea, but we could hear them in the day use area unpacking their car either. Around the same time, you could hear the church camps start coming to life, with kids moving around, adults moving around, people going to breakfasting their lodges and things like that. The campgrounds started to wake up. You could hear people molding around, conversations starting to take place.

12:31 At around seven o'clock, maybe a little before, there was this gruttled, almost a growl, but not quite a scream either, but it was deep and it was a lot of reverberated through your soul that came down from the canyon somewhere. We never saw anything, but we heard this unbelievable growl, and you could hear not just us, but you can hear people all the way around the lake asking each other what the heck is that. A few seconds later, it stops. It went on for about ten to fifteen seconds.

13:12 It was long, but it stopped. A couple of minutes after that, there's this other one, and then a few minutes later another one, and then pretty soon you could hear almost what was like a response coming from a different part of the canyon. And again, with acoustics the way they were, you couldn't tell exactly where this was, but you could tell these two noises were separate and distinct. They were apart. My friends and I got together and we're trying to figure out what this was. And you could hear the husband and wife in a panic. She said, we're leaving, and they packed up their car and they left people in the church camp.

14:00 Sure you can hear them questioning what is that noise? Pretty soon we could hear. One of the it sounded like an adult, a male voice, tell all the youth to get inside the lodge, and that camp got definitely quiet. I'm assuming they all went into the lodge. I don't know, but these brows, these howls, continued on every few minutes for over two hours, and it was almost my gut instinct said it was anger. It was like. It was an anger, But I don't know if it was a warning to us, a warning to the other whatever it was making noise, arguing back and forth between them, I don't know, but it was there was aggression in the tone, if that makes any sense.

14:57 We never did figure out what it was. One of my friends that was fishing with us had grown up outside of Sacramento, California, and used to go to the Sierras a lot to go fishing. At one point in time, I asked him if he'd ever heard anything like that before, and he said yes, once up in the Sierras, but again he never saw anything. He just heard a very similar or same sound, but didn't know what it was. In the fall of twenty twenty two, I was off on one of my fishing expeditions and went to a very remote lake in between Mount Adams and Mount Saint Helens, Washington. This is a higher mountain lake and it's pretty rough road to get in there.

15:48 There's only one camping spot when you get up there, so if there's somebody there, you're not going to camp because there's only one spot. There's barely enough room to turn my truck around, and you get up to the upper end of the road right next to the word. So I got up to the lake early morning, sun was coming up. I unpacked my camp chair, all my fishing gear, get my line in the water, and then I noticed that it is. The forest is unbelievably quiet. There's nothing going on, no squirrels, no birds, but I didn't pay much attention to it. The sun came up. My line's in the water. I'm sitting in my camp chair.

16:30 It's quiet, there's nobody around. The nearest vehicle was probably four to six miles away, the nearest campgrounds about six miles away. I'm pretty assured that there is nobody. Around where I'm at. And as I'm sitting there in my camp chair just watching my fish line, this woosh comes out of the trees to the right side of me, and there are rock lands at my feet, maybe five feet away, and it's a fairly large rock, a little bigger than a softball. I have no idea where it came from, other than it was from the right side of where I was sitting.

17:10 And then a few minutes later I get another rock from the left side o where I'm sitting, same thing, about softball size, fairly heavy rock and right towards my feet. Didn't hear anything, didn't see anything, didn't smell anything, but this rock throwing continued for about a half hour when I finally got the hint that was probably a warning for me to leave. So I did. I have wanted to go back to that lake for one to satisfy my own curiosity, but to me just I was satisfying a sense of dread or fear. I just that lake scared me with those rocks, and I don't know why, but I could never get anybody to go with me.

17:55 I didn't want to go alone. This last fall, I finally mustered up the courage to go back to that lake. I ended up going alone again. Got there just before sunrise. Again there's nobody up there. I had taken a bag of apples with me, hoping to avoid rock. Throwing if anything. I got out of the truck. This time. I actually had my truck. I got it turned around and backed in towards the lake, so if anything did happen, I could jump in the truck and pull straight forward and leave. I took the bag of apples. I had a dozen apples, and I set six apples out on each side of the vehicle, going out about thirty to fifty yards each time, so after about one hundred yards on both sides of the truck, I had these apples strategically placed up in the trees.

18:51 About six foot off the ground. And just hoping it was some sort of peace offering, I went back and unpacked my fishing gear, got a line in the water, and again there's I noticed there's no breeze, there's no noise. The forest is absolutely silent. There's not even a fish jumping. Nothing. And I sat there for about an hour with a line in the water and no fish, no noise, no birds, no rocks. So at about seven thirty or so, I decided that I'm not going to catch any fish here. I'll go to a different lake. So I went to pack up all my gear, got it loaded in the truck, and curiosity, I walked down the lines and places where I had placed my apples.

19:38 The first apple on either side of the truck, closest to the truck were still there. All the other apples had disappeared. But again, I never heard anything. I never saw anything. I just know that the apples were fairly well off the ground. And nowhere to be found. Nope, they hadn't fallen off the trees, they weren't laying on the ground. They were just gone, except for the two apples closest to the truck. I packed up from that trip and went to a different lake, and then my fishing came home. On September thirteenth, I went up to an area outside of Walla Walla, Washington. The area is called the Blue Mountains, and I had heard some stories of bigfoot sightings up there. But I went just for a day trip out of just to get away from things for a while, not expecting to see anything or hear anything or find anything, just out of a curiosity trip. I wanted it be in some of the areas where people had claimed to have sightings. I got up to the upper ridge or the upper rim of the Blue Mountains, found a place to pull off, and I had taken a friend of mine from church with me, who was curious about these type of incidents, and together we were walking down a couple of game trails and

21:09 I looked down and I happened to spot what appeared to be a human like footprint, definitely larger, but not massive. And I carried with me a small bat that I used for tree knocking or just other things if needed. But it was just a small bat. It's about two feet long. So I placed the bat down on the ground next to this footprint just to get a photograph and a marker for size. I didn't have any class or Paris or anything. I hadn't expected to find anything, so I took some photos of these footprints. A few yards away, but down the game trail just a little bit, there was another print, but it only had three distinctive toes.

21:58 I couldn't distinguish five toes, but the toes were really long. I don't know what this print is. I just know that I photographed it because it was odd but definitely different than the first print that appeared to be more human with five toes, a ball print, a heel print. But again I don't know what these were. I didn't have anything to cast them. I was just able to take photographs. So, in a nutshell, that's my story. Allan, that's those are some wild accounts, My goodness, because you've been all over the place just thinking about everything you just talked about. You are going through some really cool places the lake that you went to outside of Mount Adams, and I don't want you to give away any fishing spots or anything, but was that and there's a lot of interesting things that have happened out there in the years. Do you know if it was near any specific area like Tired Junction or a Scukum Meadows or Indian Heaven Wilderness or anything like that, or.

23:10 Yeah, I do, and I don't mind sharing fishing spots with people. In my years of reading about and becoming interested in reading about Bigfoot and that type of phenomenon, I learned that if you were to look at a map, you can draw a pretty good triangle between Rainier Saint Helens and Mount Adams. Totally up through the middle of. That triangle is an area called Indian Haven Wilderness. Within that wilderness area, there's a place called Dark Divide. Dark Divide I believe got its name from the Native Americans, not because of anything spooky, but because of the dark basaltic rock that lines that ridge. To the left side of Dark Divide runs the Pacific Crest Trail. To the east side or right side of the Dark Divide are several roads that run in through the Indian Navan Wilderness tire junction several of the lakes.

24:20 There's an upper lake right on the top of the ridge. Called Coltis Lake, and then Cultus Stream drains down to the north into the area called Cultis Campground. At the time that I first went up towards there, I didn't know that was a area known for sidings or happenings. The lake that I happened to go to was called. Comcomedy Lake, which is just southeast of Cultis Lake, but still as a crow flies. It's only about a mile maybe, But Coltis Lake you can drive up to.

25:03 It's rough road, but you can get to or com Commedy Lake. I'm sorry, Colony Lake you can drive into, but it's a fairly rough road. And again there's only that one camp spot. So in twenty twenty two, I didn't know about Dark Divide, Coltis Lake, com Commonly Lake. I didn't know about the triangle and sidings all over the Triangle area, especially within Scook and Metals, which is also in that area. So yeah, the lake that I went to originally and again this last fall is com Calmly Lake. That's where the rocks were thrown, and that's where the apples disappeared.

25:43 Okay, that makes total sense, just because if you look at it on a map, it's about fifteen miles south or fifteen miles west of Trout Lake, which is extremely active. The whole area is wildly active as But yeah, that makes sense one hundred percent. You were definitely running into that activity. Were there tracks around that where the apples were taken? I looked for tracks, but it's a heavy under undergrowth. There's a lot of pine needles and soft forage material, so I didn't see anything specific, but I did look, and once it dawned on me that most of my apples were gone and they're not laying on the ground like a squirrel of knocked them off, I just I got this really uneasy feeling, and that's part of the reason why I left pretty quick.

26:41 Yeah, I know this lake sounds familiar. I think I've heard or the guys from a Pacific Northwest Bigfoot search might go into that area too, which they are good guys. I've talked to them a few years ago. Maybe have to check in with them again. When you were down in the Blue Mountains, were you near where these tracks were? Were you near d Duck Spring at all then? Or I had not heard of Paul Freeman or Paul Freeman's experiences until. About a year ago. No way, Oh wow. So I became interested in one because it's fairly close to where I live. It's only a couple of hour drive, and I caught my curiosity just because of the area.

27:30 I've been up there several times, but I've never been to that spot. So I did some research on Paul Freeman and the Freeman location. There's a guy called Mike Wanders that did it a documentary up there, and I studied his visual as he goes through his documentary. I studied the road that he was on, the camping spot he was in, and I found those exact spots. So the road that my friend and I pulled off into was the exact spot that Mike Wanders used in his documentary. Found the same stump, the exact parking spot. There's a video out there. I think it's Paul Freeman's family shortly after he died where they gathered at deduct springs, found the same sign that they were sitting underneath. And then of course the deduct trail hit. The prints were found at the upper end, or let me think of the direction.

28:32 They're gonna be southeast end of deduct trail, so it goes uphill to the top of the ridge from the deduct spring pool or pond area. But it was at the upper end of that trails where we found the Prince. Yes, that was deduct. That is so cool. There are few people that have taken trips down there to that area. This year, the Olympic Project guys went over there, Todd Hill and Chrispens and then I believe the Cliff and Nico went over there. That was a thing for their museum members on Patreon. That's a pretty cool video. People want to definitely support that organization. But yeah, it's wild to hear that area is still active. But a very cool that you got those pictures, And I have to definitely, are you okay if I put those in the YouTube version of this so people can see those? Absolutely okay, very cool.

29:30 I have a couple of other photos there was also near the footprints, we found a tree that was splintered off at about fourteen fifteen feet in the air. But the odd thing was not was it just splintered off extremely high, but the splintered off end was sitting on top of the splintered off stump, and it's I don't know how you get a splintered tree, even with winterkill, to land on top of itself perfectly. Yeah, that's pretty weird. Not that only a tree structure, but just something very out of place. So I have photos of that I could send to if you're jo.

30:10 Okay, Yeah, I'd love to see those. Were you also seeing things over there where it looks like something had gripped and twisted broken the branches, and it's just it's a very weird thing. If you've seen it, you know what I'm talking about. I don't know if they have that yarn down there. They might, They probably do. I don't know. This friend of mine that was with me, we both he's the one that actually told me about Paul Freeman about a year ago. Okay, so we went up there out of curiosity, but not expecting to find, see or hear anything. It was just one of those guy things. We're just yucking it up and wanted to check out the Paul Freeman area. So we weren't totally prepared because we hadn't We weren't looking for broken branches, we weren't looking for tree structures.

30:57 We were just we just wanted to be in the Paul Freeman area. Yeah, that was cool. And then we found the footprints and then we found the snapped off tree, so we didn't spend a lot of time looking around any further. That took up most of the day just getting that stuff documented and just driving around and looking at different areas. Through your being an outdoors man, it seems you've really had a lot of cool interactions with bigfoot areas. Do you feel that you are focused more on the big foot side of things or the hunting and fishing, or maybe there's a happy medium that's come through both of those together.

31:39 As you get up in age like I am, I think you get this Alzheimer's kind of thing, So I get focused. When I said out to go fishing, I just go fishing. I don't look for anything else when I go for my deer hunt or something. I'm just out to hunt. Not that I do a lot of big footing, but I've been to places out of curiosity. But there's other places like calm, calmly. I don't want to go back alone. I don't. I'm not comfortable in those areas being alone. And maybe it's just an old guy being paranoid or I don't know, but there's a definite uncomfortable feeling. The time that we were up at Clear Lake outside of Rimrock Lake, the three of us, that was a very.

32:21 Spooky encounter. All we heard was the growls, these gruddled noises, but like I said, it reverberated through your body. It was just a deep, long howl, not like the Sierra Sounds. This was different, but there were more than one, and the startilization and recognition of the fact that there's more than one was very concerning because again, I know that there was aggression in their tone. I don't know what that aggression was. If they were towards each other, they were screaming each other, get out of my territory, or hey, let's go down and run these humans off of our leg or I don't know. And that area is extremely active too, because it's right off the Highway twelve. Highway twelve has always talked about for so many bigfoot.

33:10 Yeah, you get Randall and Packwood. Yeah, then you've got goat Rocks Wilderness, which is not crow Fies, just ten miles from where we were at. I bet those camps have some great stories or they're just super freaked out. Here a side note for another great story. After that encounter, in twenty fifteen with my two friends, when we were fishing, my son and I decided to go back up to that to the LDS Church camp because you can rent camping spots there and we had assembled bug out bags just to have it home, but we wanted to try our bug out bags for basically a seventy two hour kit. We wanted to go try and try out the food and try out the bag and see if the bags were properly stocked and packed. So my boy and I I headed up that area for the weekend to go spend a couple of days living off of our bug out bags. So we use that LDS camp as a base camp, and then the first we got up there in the evening. The first morning, we got up and cooked our breakfast out of the dehydrated foods and then packed a little nap sack backpack to take with us for the day. On each of our bug out bags, we each carry a small AR fifteen, so we stropped on our AR fifteen's on our backpacks and decided to go hiking for the morning. As we headed out from the camp, if you look at a map, that road that goes past that day camp and that LDS camp

34:42 goes about another quarter a mile or so, and then there's a junction off to the left that goes back around to the backside of rim Rock Lake, And then if you continued straight on that road, it's supposed to go up to a campground at the very end about two two and a half miles maybe a little further up that road on twenty fifteen. As we got to that junction, we were on foot, but at that junction there were concrete barriers blocking off the road that goes up to that campground. You could only go left and go back around Rimrock Lake. I thought that's odd. And about that time, a Forest service vehicle pulled up, and I thought, Okay, here's going to be a fight. Here's that the fish cops are showing up and they're going to give us a hard time about carrying ars. So that was the fight that I was expecting. But the ranger rolled down his window and just just basic morning chit chat, high how you guys doing, What are you up to? You didn't say a word about ars or the backpacks. So we told them we're just we're up here trying out our bug out bags and just going out for a day hike. And then he finally said me goes. He says, can see you're armed. I said yeah, And I thought, okay, here comes the fight. He was like, he said, good he goes, because there's a lot of weird blank that goes on up in these backwoods. He said, so make sure you have him at the ready all the time. And then he pulled away.

36:04 And left, Are you serious, dude, Yes, Oh goodness, that's nuts. So my boy and I kind of looked at each other and we said, we can go around the left side of the lake, but we know it's over there. There's nothing on other church camp there's campgrounds, So let's go walk this road that's blocked off by these concrete barriers. So the ranger had told us that the road was blocked off because the campground had been flooded out by the spring floods and it was just a safety thing. So my boy and I walked this road and we get all the way up to the campground. There is nothing wrong with the road, there's nothing wrong with the campground.

36:45 It's just blocked off. So we finished our hike going up way up beyond that campground towards goat Rocks. Didn't see anything or didn't hear anything, but I thought it very strange in his comments and very strange in the fact that road was blocked there was nothing wrong with there. Wow, it's crazy how many for street workers and rangers are starting to contact. I think it's the right time for them to do. Maybe not so much they're coming on air, but they are reaching out. I think a lot of people are reaching out to share what they've experienced.

37:32 It's the right time to do it. Likeness. In nineteen seventy four, you didn't talk about these things, you'd end up in a straight jacket. And I think that's one of the biggest reasons why my dad would never talk about it, besides the fact that it scared the life out of him. But today people are coming forward and it's taken me a long time from twenty fifteen till recently before I would even talk about that event, much less nineteen seventy four. But there's a lot of stuff that goes on at there. There's a lot of people that see things and hear things. Yeah, I totally could see how your dad was, just on the one hand, not expecting that and being freaked out.

38:14 That's by itself, but then it just wasn't really talked about a lot back then. I guess you had some documentaries, but that was like what I mean, seven years after the Patterson Gimmlin film, and it's the same time period that Ron Moorehead is recording the Sierra Sounds it was just absolutely wild to think about. Correct looking back, I don't know. I don't know what my dad saw other than he confirmed that with a bigfoot story about the same area. He just said, yes, that was what he saw, and so I take his word for it. I believe he's a man of honor. Or was he's passed away now, but I believe him to be a man of honor. And if he said that's what he saw, then that's what he saw. I didn't see it the following year.

38:57 I know. What I say all I just don't know what I saw stand up and walk away from me. I know that my apples disappeared, but I don't know what took them. I know that three of us were up there fishing, along with a lot of other people around that lake, and we all heard the same noises. I just don't know what I heard. I know I've seen footprints, I just don't know who are what they go to. The sounds that you heard around Clear Lake? Have you ever heard anything that comes close to that in any media that's on the internet or any of these documentaries. Is there anything that comes close to it?

39:40 There are a few that come close, but I didn't write down which ones they were, and I regret that now because I would love to hear them again, but i'd have to go back through so a lot of sounds probably. To find it exactly. Ohio. I know the Ohio one. I think it was Ohio one. Oh yeah, that were similar, but not exact. There was another one that was really close, but I don't know where it came from or who recorded it. When you have been out fishing or hunting over the years, have you ever had any other weird things happen that may not necessarily be contributed to Bigfoot, or it could be something else.

40:29 I used to live in South America for a couple of years. There was an incident down there was some strange lights, but I wouldn't call it before we were in a small city. But other than that, I've been over to Mount Adams a couple of times and seeing some lights. But yeah, that's a whole nother story. Oh yeah, absolutely. Mount Adams, I believe is pretty well known for people seeing whatever is going on over there, UFOs or ups or lights in the sky, who really knows. And the immortal words of that forest ranger. There's a lot of weird blank that goes on up here. Yeah, absolutely for sure. Spending so many years out there in being in these areas, have you ever heard any stories from other people about bigfoot interactions that have stuck out to you.

41:24 The friend of mine that went up to Blue Mountains a few weeks ago has had a few in his family, not him directly, but he related some of those family incidents to me, and those were pretty intriguing. The friend of mine that was fishing with me in twenty fifteen when he talked about the sounds that he had heard in the Sierras growing up outside the Sacramento was pretty intriguing. But other than that, I'm. Not really involved in any big footing communities or exposed. I would like to be. I just haven't ever done that, but I would love to. I would love to be involved with people that talk about that stuff.

42:06 Absolutely. There are definitely some great gatherings that happen out where you're at out there in Oregon and Washington. There's the one that just happened in Randall, Washington, that was great. There's the one down Okrage, Oregon I go to that's great one too. I think there's one in Longview, Washington that one's good too from what I hear, Based on what you've experienced, in what you have seen and the evidence so far, do you have a certain leaning towards what Bigfoot is definition wise, if we're looking at maybe undiscovered ape or some ancestor of humans, or maybe something else.

42:54 My very personal deep belief at this point. Not ape, more human, certainly intelligent and problem solving. And again you that it's a primates, but not to the point of building this or tree structures, turning trees upside down like on Victoria or a Prince of Wales Island up in British Columbia. Yep. So there yet, there's reasoning, there's problem solving, there's I believe that there's communication. I don't know to what level, but I think it's beyond primate what we would consider primate.

43:36 I believe that they are. I guess you would have to classify as undiscovered because we haven't seen a body. But at the same time, there's enough physical evidence. I believe that in my mind, Yeah, they are real. I just don't know what they are, but they are real. After my first visit to com Calmly Lake in twenty twenty two, the summer of twenty twenty three, I was back over in that area of Ficient some other lakes and I stopped in at the ranger station in Trout Lake, and the for service worker at the desk at that time was a member of the Yakama nation, and I just happened to get into a conversation with her what had happened before, and she got this really shocked look on her face, and she said, you don't go up there alone anymore. And she told me that com Calmly and especially Coltis Lake is forbidden for the Yakama to go up there.

44:45 It has been for centuries. And I asked her why and she said, that's because that is their home, that's all she would say. That lines up with what other things I've heard about people that have had dealing or interactions with the Yakama tribe. I've heard similar things. I don't think those have really been put on my show. You might be able to hear those on other shows. But that is extremely interesting that they have not had access to those areas for that long. Just wild. That's always wild stuff. Alan, This has been such a fascinating conversation. You are hitting some really interesting spots. Do you have any future plans on maybe try to continue going to these areas or what does the future hold for you you think immediate future.

45:42 I can't go this coming weekend, but I currently am planning to go back up to deduct in two weeks just to look for more tracks, because this time I have plaster of Paris and some other supplies, and knowing my luck, I probably won't find anything that may been a once in a lifetime ordeal. I don't know, but I am going to go back to d Dock before the snow buries it. Other than that, it's probably a wait till spring time frame because Mount Adams will be snowed in, Helens will be snowed in, the Blue Mountains will be snowed in. So we'll definitely keep us in mind. If you do experience anything else in the future that you find interesting, we'd love to hear about it. You're welcome to reach out.

46:30 But thank you so much for coming on the show. Alan, It's been a pleasure talking to you today. Thank you very much. I've enjoyed it. Appreciate your time. Hey, Poetic, what's up. Not much, just talking about some more stories in the woods. Experiences in the woods. I haven't had any actual sightings lately, but I definitely heard, like just out hiking not far from where my original sighting was, and I did hear like the tree knocking noises. And I don't know if it's just like acorns falling from trees right now this time of year or two. Sometimes if a tree like calls to me, I'll go over to it and touch it and ask, like the tree, if is bigfoot in the woods right now?

47:18 Or can you tell me where he is? And I'll all of a sudden, I'll be standing there and I'll start smelling a really weird smell out of nowhere, like a like kind of that foul smelling thing that people talk about it with that's associated with the sightings. And then I'll ask the people that I'm with, like maybe my kids or my partner, and be like, do you guys also smell that really really weird smell? And nobody else seems to really smell it except for me, like when I'm touching the tree. So I don't know just and then there's like another time, like there's more incidences I had where I'm out hiking and I'll hike the same trail like every day for a few years.

48:05 And this is like when I was living up in Clinton, New Jersey, I used to hike I think it was called the Capooling Trail behind the lumber yard in downtown Clinton Yard there's an old there's an old trail like along the river. And so I'd hike the same trail every day at the. Same time before I would go to work. I'd be out there at eight o'clock in the morning. And so one day I go out and I sometimes I just leave my phone at home because it's pretty safe and I know the area and it's not far from the town, so I felt pretty safe there. So I just start like. Leaving my phone at home because I want to really connect with nature and not be like distracted by my phone going off, because I've always liked that. I like that idea of really immersing in with nature. And so I'm out hiking, and you want I could try to bite frighten up the light. So I'm out hiking the same trail and then one day I look over in the creek next to the trail and somebody has stacked these stones perfectly in the shape of Stonehenge, like exact shape, and I've actually been somebody who studies Stonehenge, so I was aware of there's certain inner rings and outer rings, and there's like a hole. Somebody did like a perfect replica of Stonehenge, and so I quickly went back home to go get my phone and get a picture of it,

49:35 because it was the most incredible thing that I had ever It was a beautiful when somebody found these perfect sized stones like exactly. It was like a little mini replica. And I go running back home to go get my phone and go tell my husband at the time. And by the time I came back, it was the water had risen because the creek was like low. It was like a low tide, so you could se see all the stones, and then the water came back up and washed it all before I could get a photo. But it was actually the most incredible thing that I had ever seen. It was really beautiful. So I've had a lot of experiences where I've seen things like that in nature when I'm just out hiking and there's just strange like kind of stones stacked up, or like somebody who's made like basically nature into some kind of form of art.

50:28 And I've just had that kind of happen, And then every time I go back to go get like my camera or whatever or go tell someone, it's like there's nobody else there to witness it. So I feel like it's just a really beautiful gift from you know, nature, like the nature spirits or I don't know, I don't really know, but it's just really it's like a really cool experience. That's awesome. Do you ever have stuff show up around your house? Yeah? I do sometimes, like my daughter's saying, oh, it's from the fair and or the angels, things like that. Yeah, are you still going up to the Berkshires or is that a one, one time deal.

51:12 I've had a lot of experiences up there. One of my friends, my good friends, is a drummer, like a tribal drummer, and he lives up there on October Mountain. His house backs up he has like several acres on the side of the mountain there. I've stayed with him a few times, like after since I had attended that yoga school, and he's only like about ten minutes down the road from where I had that very supernatural experience. And then I've slept at his house and had I saw weird lights in the sky. And he also says that his friend who sometimes stays there, she sees a lot of spirits that are like walking through his yard because supposedly there was like an old highway system that I guess people would walk to get to Boston or something, so she sees like the people still walking and stuff like that. So he claims that, yeah, that's just like a normal occurrence there, like people see things, and it seems like he just grew up around that area.

52:17 So he says to me, it's just like a normal thing. Like I guess he doesn't really think a lot of it, but it really freaked me out, like staying at his house because I don't know if you've heard of the October Mountain. I think it's well known for hauntings and things like that. I know it's definitely well known for bigfoot activity. So yeah, I can go up anytime and visit him. I say, there are a few times and then I was just Okay, that's interesting. And like his house has all these. Big giant windows and no blinds or no curtains because he has no neighbors, and you can just see right out into the stars. When you stay at his house and I'm like, like, dude, doesn't that freak you out?

52:59 I feel like spaceships just gonna come down and. Just take me. It just feels like you're and just get beamed up right into this guy right when you stay there. But he's a really eccentric, like drummer guy, so he guess he's whatever. He's totally into it. Yeah, thank you for coming up and for sharing some more stories. I appreciate it. Yeah, I definitely I got a lot of crazy stories. But like I said, the only sighting I actually had was when I was, like I said, eight nine years old and tried to convince myself that. It wasn't really real. So I don't know, but yeah, I definitely have had a lot of weird things happen, like out in nature and all that. Thank you thanks for having me.

53:42 Yeah absolutely, could I put this on the podcast as well? Yeah, you could add more of that to the podcast for sure. Yeah. I like now that I've been like telling these stories, it's like more memories keep coming up and I'm like, oh, there was that time that I saw this, and now that it's interesting how when you start remembering things, Yeah, you start more things keep coming up, and I'm like, oh, there was that other time I was outside and then this happened. So anyways, I. Was going to talk to you. Thanks for coming up and hanging out all right. Yeah, good to talk to you. Thank you for having me. A good one. How are you great? Are you coming up to share a Bigfoot story tonight?

54:24 Yeah? I had an encounter with what I believe was Bigfoot in the nineteen seventies. Oh well, So this happened in Hortage County, little village called Manaway, Ohio. And I was about seven years old, seven or eight years old, and there was a lot of sightings at that time of Bigfoot in that area. And one day I was playing out in the yard and the parents were sitting around. I think we were having a barbecue or something like that. But anyway, the parents were talking about it. It was in the news, was in the it was on the radio.

55:04 People were really talking about seeing Bigfoot a lot in Ohio. Okay, I didn't think nothing about it. I was a little I was playing around everything. A few weeks later after that happened, I was laying in my bed getting ready to go to sleep, and I heard this big bang on the side of the house, and it hit the house so hard that it shook my room, and it was very loud, and it scared me. I had no idea what it was. And my side, my bedroom was higher up off the ground, so my window was the highest point of the house.

55:47 So the next morning I still remembered what happened, that loud bang on the side of the house and how everything just shook. So I went out there. I went out there around the house to look and see what it was. And there was a huge, bigfoot print on the side of the house. And it looked like. What bigfoot would it He would have kicked the side of the house. Oh my goodness, that is intense. That whole area was going. You're right, did have a lot of encounters, yeah, going on in that time period, because I think that was that around Minerva too, Yeah, like the Minerva monster stuff.

56:31 Yeah. So the footprint you saw on the side of your house, could you see toes at all? Yes, it had toes. No, you could plainly tell. It was no shoe. It was a bare foot. It was like a mud print on this and it was high up, very high up, and it was very large very large, and I don't remember from what I do remember, it wasn't like. Our feet, like all five toes. I can't remember exactly what it looked like, but it didn't look uniformed, you know what I'm saying. It just looked different than a human foot.

57:14 Goodness, were your neighbors having things happen as well? No, I just heard my parents talking about it. I never thought nothing about it. I just a little kid thought it was interesting and they were talking about how like I think of the sheriff in that town had a couple of people had witnessed things, and I just never really thought about it anymore. Two weeks later, I heard the loudest thing on the side of my house in my room, on the outside of my room, and I just shook the things on the walls. The walls shook, and it was up hot high, like it was too big for a human to have done it.

57:54 But I know what I've seen. I know what happened at night. Absolutely, Whether it was bigfoot or not, I don't know what happened. I appreciate you coming up and sharing what you experienced back then. Is this a conversation where I could put it on my Bigfoot podcast. Yeah, sure, awesome. Hey, thank you so much for coming up and hanging out. I appreciate it. Okay, have a good night. Thank you for having me too. Good stuff, good stuff. Hey, Nicole, what's up? Hi? PMW sent me. He just told me to hop on because we've been swapping bigfoot stories last week or so, and sent me the podcast about the one out in Fall Creek story the other night, about how I was camping out up near Oakridge, between Fall Creek and Oakridge, just out in the mountains one night and I went to bed out in my tent. And I've been out in the wilderness like all my life, so I know the sounds of like animals, footprints and whatever. And I had heard deer in the area a couple hours.

59:11 Before I had gone to sleep. And then after I was laying in my tent in the middle of the night, I woke up. I heard like footsteps a few feet around my tent, like it kept circling. But it wasn't like a bear or deer or anything. It was like two big, heavy footprints and you can just tell the difference. And it just kept circling my tent and like stopping, and I was by myself, and I'm pretty like petite, so I was like scared to death. And at first I was like as a people out there, but it was only like two feet like I could tell, and so I just like was frozen. I didn't move like I was carrying. But again I'm like a little tiny woman, so it's still not very set comforting. So I just laid there for like hours, and it went on for a while, like it would circle my tent, and then it would and I could hear it like breathing, and then it would circle again, and it went on for a while and then it went away, and I was like so scared to even.

1:00:09 Go to my truck or whatever. I have not gone out by myself since then, like camping overnight like ever again, because it scared the absolute crap out of me. I don't blame you. That's bonkers, Okay. So I don't know if your friend has told you. I have interviewed almost fifty people just out of Oakridge. So is this closer to Fall Creek or closer to Oakridge? It was pretty in the middle. I have a lot of places I go out there, all hit our dirt road and then just go out into remote but yeah, it was like I've been out there. I grew up out there, so I've had some creepy experiences, but that one was by far definitely was not an animal. You just you know the difference, and it was terrifying. I've never been in the woods ever.

1:00:57 Oh my goodness, that's horrifying. So you weren't like down by Lookout Point or Ivan Oaks like you're out in the woods. Yeah, I was out in the woods, just way out like I like to go out into like remote areas and explore and find new places or whatever. But yeah, I was terrifying, very terrifying. I haven't gotten out by myself since. I mean I probably won't. You were you up by Saddle Blanket Mountain? Yeah, I was out that way, Yeah you were. Okay, that's awesome. Yeah. He told me that you've been doing a lot of interviews for this area. And I started listening to the podcast earlier and then I finished it later for Faull Creek, but wanted to hop on and.

1:01:39 Tell you, oh, thank you. I appreciate that this Saddle Blanket has a really weird encounter that has a portal and a hairy arm coming out of the portal and almost getting a guy. It's wacky. It's a really wacky. Area out there. It really is. Like I said, it's definitely not my first creepy encounter I pad out there, but it was definitely my most terrifying, like the closest one I've. Had to me. So, would people talk about bigfoot stuff growing up in that area? Oh yeah, definitely. I lived out there for years. I went to the Pleasant Hill and lived in Dexter and all that, and I grew up in Oakridge a lot for years. So people they always told stories, and as a kid you just thought it was a joke.

1:02:28 But growing up out there and then going out in the woods on my own a lot, it is definitely not a joke. It's for real. Absolutely, I don't want to keep you a ton. But did there seem to be an area where a lot of those stories would be focused on in that area or just all over the place? All over the place. That really depends on who you talk to, but definitely I heard more stories. Like the more you go, like up towards Oak Ridge, get deep into the mountains out there, the more stories you'll hear. So are you talking about going up on like high prairie, or you're actually talking about going in the woods that the mountains that are up around oh Bridge. Honestly, both boys out there.

1:03:08 I love it out there. It's beautiful. It's a nice area, but it's definitely sketchy sometimes absolutely absolutely. Hey, I appreciate you coming up, Nicole. Hey, are you cool if I put this conversation in the podcast I. Have Yeah, go ahead of course, all. Right, cool, awesome, Hey, I'll be out there next July. Have a good one and thanks. Oh yeah, I go to the Bigfoot Festival every year. So yes, I was telling him about that. Cool, Okay, thank you. All right, have a good one that's going. But good. Are you coming up to share an experience that you had?

1:03:50 Sure? Let me turn down the game, we'll watch it. Yeah, thank you. I was going to ask you about that. I appreciate that. So we were up a snowboarding in Whistler, Canada, and we left about midnight heading back home. And the first river that you cross right there, there was something in the straightaway on the left hand side. A long story short. By the time we passed this thing, we were doing like five miles an hour. So we got to observe it so vividly, and I don't know the thing behind you. The face structure is kind of the same, a flat nose.

1:04:33 The eyes were a little bit more in set, but the mouth it was more of a chimpanzee mouth like it was just almost ear to ear. The lips they were very thin. They were thin like that, but they just didn't look like him. But the funny thing is he saw us coming for a good a minute because we came out of the forest. It was a straightaway and he's just stood there in front of that sign. And when we pulled over, it took one step and jumped in the river. And this was December twenty first, nineteen ninety six. And when we got out, we like walked over to the river. I don't know why. We were teenagers, and all you heard was like it was walking up river in the middle of the winter, snow everywhere, and all we saw. What was weird about it was he was standing in front of that sign. We saw two footprints in front of the sign and then one foot one footprint to the river, and that was it.

1:05:31 So I think he came down the hill the mountain side, because driving over to the whistler. It's all kind of rock face, so I think maybe he climbed down. I don't understand. But the thing that we saw I touched the bottom of that sign, and his head was above that sign was eleven to thirteen foot tall. I mean it was the biggest thing, the biggest. It's undescribable. I mean it's like if that guy was to be the guy that I saw, and he was whole in my hand, I would probably come up to maybe above his pelvis. Wow. A whistler British Columbia, which is kinda in southern British Columbia.

1:06:15 Right. It's western, so you go up to Vancouver, BC and then you head west for like an hour. I mean it is absolutely in the middle of nowhere. I mean it's just in the middle of the mountains. It's beautiful, the most top two most beautiful places I've ever been. Wow, what color did you say it was? Again? He was a brownish black? Okay, gotcha. I don't know. It's human. It was more human than than an animal. I mean, but he has gorilla characteristics, like his forearms were bigger than his biceps. You could tell how people talk because I listened to Sasquatch chronicle. You can tell how it could easily run on all fours. I don't understand the spider crawl thing, but if they do do spider crawl, his fore arms were bigger than his biceps, and his arms and his hands, I mean, his hands could just just they were so big it's undescribable. Once again, it was undescribable, but I could see how maybe they could spider crawl, but it's his shoulder blades were over four four or five feet wide. And once again, when we passed him, there was three of us in the car, and we realized what he was doing about thirty five miles an hour because in the back seat, my friend goes, is that a hairy hippie? And Chris and I he goes, that's a sasquatch, and I go, that's a bigfoot all at the same time. So we start slowing down and

1:07:48 it's frozen. It's not looking at us. It's kind of looking away, so I guess, so the headlights don't go in his eyes or whatever. But he didn't look at us, but he didn't move, and his hands his fingers were webbed, doubt like, like you're about to I don't know spirit fingers as a cheerleader or something like this. Yes, except they were down by his side out like he almost was posing like I'm a tree. I'm a tree. I'm a tree. You don't see me. You don't see me, you know, And I don't know. It's just weird. Why he stood there. That's that's the biggest question for me, is like why did why did you stand there? Dude?

1:08:28 Like why? I don't get it? And then why we got out of the car. We just didn't know what it was, right, ohness, that is a wild wild sighting. So you mentioned that the mouth was very wide. Were you able to see teeth at any time? Nope, he didn't show no teeth. I didn't get to see the eyes. I did see that the the the eyebrow ridge was kind of like Neanderthal. I mean it did. His eyes were kind of in set a little bit, and they were big. Once again, the thing was thirteen twelve thirteen foot tall, his head probably I don't know, foot and half wide. I mean it was a big head, like a big head, but it was more so when I started looking at him, I wanted to see his face and I'm bending down in the seat to look up at him, but he wouldn't look at me. So I got to as I drove by, I just scanned him and we had the high beams on, so we got to see this thing coming up on him at one hundred yards at twenty miles an hour, fifteen ten and when we passed and when we're doing five and we're like, just it was frozen. It just didn't move.

1:09:42 I mean it was. It was the weirdest, scariest. It wasn't scary until we got out, and that's when I don't know, it was just it was weird. It didn't it just stood there. Was it covered with hair everywhere? Or were there spots that you noticed that there wasn't as much hair? Okay, so he didn't have hair on his palms, because here's another weird thing. When he was standing there with his palm, his hands webbed out. His palms were showing towards us, which is another weird little thing. So palms kind of pinkish, little black pin in between a brown and pink and you know, just no like that guy in the background. No hair on the eyes, cheeks, a little bit less on the chin. And yeah, so his whole face didn't have hair on it, but just kind of like that guy in the background.

1:10:38 So I know you said that the hands are down by the side, right, but so you were looking at it was like this towards you, Like the palms were out towards you. Yeah, that's weird. I couldn't tell you. It is weird. Like what are you doing? Guy? Like you're the hide and Seek champion? What And what baffles me is where we came out of was like a straight stretch. So we're coming out of the forest and then it dips down into a strait of about a mile. But the cross in that river, and it's the first river that you come across leaving Whistler.

1:11:22 He could see us for half a mile coming through the woods. I mean, there was no reason if he was afraid of a car or whatever, there was no reason for him to stand there. And we saw him from before we crossed the bridge. We saw the silhouette in that sign. We're like, oh, is that a guy over there? And this is ninety six, so we're, you know, the grateful dead. We were hippie kids, and we're like, well, we're going to pick him up. We're going to pick him up and take him back to Whistler because we were only like twenty thirty minutes outside of there, but on the other side was like forty five minutes to an hour before you came to the next gas station, and we were going to stop and pick him up, and that didn't work out. Right, goodness. Did his head have a certain shape at all?

1:12:08 You know that? I I okay, So I am. I've listened to every single Sasquatch chronicle and they can talk about this cone head where the now he had like he was like that guy behind you. I mean he had, he had a head. It wasn't like a cone head, but it was just so big. I mean it was just so big. Yeah, I don't know. And his his legs, I mean one leg was like the size of my body almost like it was just once again, it's undescribable. And then when I go and I see those trees up in Canada and Alaska, they're like two foot around with the with the roots on him that are like two thousand pounds and they're driven in the ground. That's the guy that does that. Absolutely, I mean, as he human.

1:13:00 You look at that and you're like, how okay, so you get a bobcat up there or you get a buld you know, like you're trying to evaluate machinery to do it. Mm hmmm, I don't know. Wow, that's so that's my story that that's an awesome, awesome account. Thank you for sharing it. How long was it before you told someone about what happens afterwards? Every day? I mean every day? Cool? And you know I've been in probably five or six bar fights over it because people call you a liar. Oh, it doesn't like bro, this is Do you believe in God? Well? Yeah, have you seen him?

1:13:41 So? Sorry? Did it? Did you have anything weird happened in your life because of it? Maybe that was connected to it, you think. Now, why do you ask that? Because well some people Okay, no, go ahead, I can. I can tell you why I have if you want. Okay. So here's why I ask. Was it a spiritual intervention? Because he doesn't show himself to everybody. Now we'll be honest with you. We had bought two pounds of weed up in Whistler from one of my friends, and three hours later I got busted at the border with that weed in the trunk. So I've always asked myself to sasquatch come out and my grandmother's I'm Cherokee. My grandmother's foot blood Cherokee, little spiritual on the shaman side. And I was like, did that bigfoot show himself to me to say, like turn around and go back to the whistler for a day because there's trouble behind me. And I got in trouble like three and a half hours later.

1:14:42 So I've always asked myself, was there a connection between seeing him and my trouble? That's funny you asked that. So, yeah, it's something I bring up because you know, I've talked to so many people over the last five years about their experiences and a lot of time as people will say, yeah, after I had that sighting, then stuff started happening, either weird stuff around the house or you know, I started maybe hearing vices in my head or just you know, all sorts of weird things. So it's something I ask when I talk to people sometimes. But man, I appreciate you coming up and sharing your experience.

1:15:24 I have a Bigfoot podcast. Is it all right if I use this conversation on it? Yeah? Please go ahead? All right, Well, thank you, sir, Thank you. All right, I'm a good air. Hey there, how's it going good? How you doing doing great? Are you coming up to share a bigfoot experience you've had? I am so. I've always kind of a believed in bigfoot, but this would have been right around COVID time. I was doing the flooring in my basement and my brother was here with me doing it, and we're working till like two in the morning. Came outside after we got done smoking cigarette. I live in a swamp and we actually have big footloor around where I'm at, and we're talking smoking and I hear three loud like it sounds like someone's building a fort in the woods in the swamp.

1:16:35 I looked at my brother. I was like, what is out there building something right now? That's really weird. And thirty seconds later it happened again, and it was audibly farther away, and this went on. I could hear this for a good two hours. And then talking with my brother, he was there the day before and he had the dog in the backyard. His dog's the nicest German shepherd I've ever met in my life. Something in the woods had him at the fence, just vicious as hell. I googled, like, what natural animal knocks on something? Three times like that, and the only thing I could find was bigfoot stuff.

1:17:39 That's the story, But I won no Like I was a little sauced up as I was doing flooring, but my brother was sober, and I'm looking at him like, is this really happening? Do you hear this? And you could tell. And it was silent when it moved, like it was literally fifteen feet in the woods the first time we heard it, but it moved silently, but it was audibly farther away every time it would knock on whatever the trees obviously, But yeah, it was I'm a believer one hundred percent now. Oh absolutely, And thank you for sharing that. Can you share the the general area that that.

1:18:23 That happened in, like mid Michigan? Oh really? Okay? Is anything else weird happening around the property? Owls like to show up a lot. I'll talk with them, barred owls. Okay. I thought it was bigfoot again one night because I'm talking to an owl, just repeating the noises it's making to me, and then it started making like almost monkey noises, flew off into the woods, and then a load of other monkey noises like it's a bunch bigfoots, but bart owls do that exactly.

1:19:03 Yeah, yeah, And that's tricky because a lot of people don't know that they can make things that are calls that sound like monkeys. So it's good that. You know that. What you got to look out for is if they sound like they're extremely large, or sometimes at the end of the call they will almost like freak out or kind of forget how to make their owl call. It's very, very strange, So I don't know, keep an ear out for that, for sure. There was around the time it happened, a bunch of dams had broke and there was a lot of flooding, so I don't know if it pushed this thing out of its normal habit. There's literally a gas station now on the road that says Bigfoot pizzas, because apparently this bigfoot likes to eat pizzas. I don't know, but there's more here.

1:20:00 That is intense. Kind of I kind of look that up. But my goodness is thank you for coming up and for sharing that. It's just an account I can put on my bigfoot podcast that I have. Yeah, yeah, all right, well, thank you man. I appreciate you coming up. You have a good one. You're welcome. Thanks for having me. Joz, how are you? Yes, this big but sighting happened in camp almost thirty years ago, or it happened, uh twenty years ago or so, I can't remember. But I was up in this camp called Bedwood Speech Camp, and it's up in the northeast of Oregon. And when I was in the cab cabin, I was laying down and resting because it was like twelve o'clock and that's usually right after lunch. Well, I looked over to my left out in the window and there's one of those checker kind of windows, and this giant humanoid creature was staring at me, and I got

1:21:30 a pretty good glimpse. It was a light to dark brown hair and about seven feet tall. And when I was looking at it, I got the idea of taking the picture. But then I forgot. I used up all the camera and I'm mistaking myself. I'm such a dean dong for he's in up all the camera. When I now see one, I hope that makes sense. I'm sorry, my tube is hurting me. No, it makes perfect sense. And I think listeners need to realize for a second. A lot of them are going to be like, well, you don't run at a pictures on your phone. Well, this is a different time.

1:22:17 You have disposable cameras maybe, or you have cameras with a memory card and you don't have unlimited photos to take. Right right, it was one of those disposable cameras and it wasn't much film. However, I was trying to get an eyewitness by one of my friends, but he was busy talking, so by the time he got there, it was gone already. And that was the first sighting in my life I saw one. The second part in the same camp was Friday first Day or Friday totally different bigwood at this time, I mean totally different. It was black and white with a few white hairs on its arm, and I would love to share the pictures, but I think I actually didn't to leave them. You know, I'm not picture of strawings. Sorry, But it was a black bigwood, and it was a lot taller. It reached the window than any irregular human would and as it was going to the checker window, it busted right through the lower right and trying to grab the kid that was next to it, and people were the kids were screaming. I

1:23:52 was screaming, and it ran off and got scared, and I didn't know what it looked like. Oh I knew that it had black skin and hair from the wrist up and then from the rest down was just bear. Okay, Wow, that's that's intense. Also twenty years ago for that as well. Yeah, I think twenty four years okay, but I'm remembering or. Right, gotcha, And I'm looking up the camp real quick.

1:24:33 It looks like this is over in western Oregon. Yeah, okay, or Umatilla County, which is there's a ton of reports for that county. And I mean I've talked to people. Well, I mean that's it's it's a little west of You're like d Duck Springs and the Blue Mountains and all that stuff, but not not extremely in the woods. It's kind of outside of the woods, right. Right. I did hear it scream early in the morning, but then then I heard someone that was trying to fix the truck. So I, as a logical person trying to do logically separate the two, you know, so I won't get too can't fused and crazy. I was like, Okay, that's probably what I heard. The one that will busted the window. I thought personally that it was one of the cabin leaders or one of the kids. But when I asked that, all I got was, no.

1:25:52 Have you done any research to see if there have been other sightings or reports at the same camp or in the same area. No, not lately, gotcha? And you know the two the two sightings that you had, would you say what you saw that day looked more like something that was like an ape like creature or something that was more human, like. I say it with more. More human like than ape, kind of kind of like a.

1:26:35 Hybrid of an ape, okay, mixed with the human. Interesting? Interesting? And how has this affected you in your life since? Since those those two times about twenty years ago? It kind of opened my eyes like, Okay, these things are real, they do exist. What else is out there? And ever since then, I was like, I keep wanting to go back up the mountains so I can at least try to get a glimpse if I can. But yeah, every once in a while it pops up in my mind.

1:27:23 I'm not frightened of it. Have you actually gone out looking yourself out out in the woods. I guess back in twenty one when I got my license, where did you go out looking basically the same camp? Okay, I went out to ground zero, so to. Speak makes sense. Hmm. Well it's sermely interesting, Jose And thank you for coming up. You know, my email is big for societygmail dot com. If you ever have anything else happen, please feel free to reach out. And I have a big Foot podcast. Would I be able to use this conversation in it?

1:28:19 Yeah? Awesome, Well, thank you so much for that, and again I appreciate you coming up, sir. Okay, I wish I can tell you more, but that's all I got. It's a new area for me, so I appreciate you reporting it. All right, good stuff, great stuff. Before we wrap this episode, I want to say something directly to a very specific group of listeners. If you're in the military, any branch or forces, and if you've seen something that no one can explain, or if you're a National park ranger or forestry worker who's been told to stay quiet, if you're a pilot who's seen something strange down on the ground, or if you're with the FBI a federal agency, or working intelligence and you stumbled upon something you're not allowed to talk about. And if you're a firefighter, paramedic, or search and rescue responder who's heard screams or found tracks that didn't make sense. If you're in the logging industry on a remote oil field, or a trucker with government contracts and you've had something happen that you've never told a soul. And if you're a biologist, a wildlife specialist, or a field researcher under contract who has found evidence you're not allowed to report. If you're a pastor, a missionary, or someone on a spiritual retreat and you saw something that shook your faith, or if you work in the shadows CIA, NSA or anything with clearance and you've seen

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