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0:00 You're listening to Big for Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron. In this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to bring you first hand encounters from people who say they've seen something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers to quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere, and each one leaves us with more questions than answers. These are the voices of the people who've lived it. To settle in, because today you'll hear another account that just might change the way you see the woods forever. So stay with us. I Pick for Society. You've got the privilege of talking to Todd today. Todd is an individual that reached out to me about an encounter he just had recently in northern Idaho. Just some background on Todd that he provided. He is a retired fire battalion chief as well. Welcome to the show, Todd. How are you doing today.

0:52 I'm doing great, Thank you, Thank you for having me. Jeremiah. Absolutely, there was a little bit that you told me before we start recording I thought was very interesting. So part of your your responsibilities as a fire battalion chief was you were responsible for creating some certain types of documents and reports. Correct. That is correct, and actually starting from before I was a fire captain responsible for incident reports and the associated incident narratives that are attached to those reports, and I did a lot of them over thirty years.

1:33 The thing that I found really interesting is that usually these reports that you were making were used in legal circumstances. Correct. Absolutely, Yeah, you just never knew when you would be deposed or called the court for something that you notated in a report. So that being said, you're a guy that for years and years, you're constantly I would imagine things that you were seeing happen, you're observing. You're constantly a very detailed oriented person. Yes, absolutely, awesome, Awesome, you had something very interesting happen on September sixth of this year. Feel free to take us back to that date what you experienced when you were along around that area.

2:30 All right, So Buddy and Mia and I had left his house that morning. He lives outside of Kettle Falls, Washington, so northeastern Washington, and we were headed ultimately to Crane Lake, Minnesota over the next couple of days, and we were meeting up with two other of our friends to go on a canoe trip in the Boundary Water Canoe area. So when we left his house that morning, we had gone to the Cabellas in Post Falls, Idahoes to get a few more supplies, and then we headed eastward. So looking at the timeline of when we left his house and when we got to Cabella's and how long we stayed there and so forth, so I'm guessing it was around probably between eleven am and noon on that day, on September sixth, that we were passing through Kellogg, Idaho, and we were on obviously eastbound on I ninety, and we were driving in the number two lane, or the lane closest to the right shoulder, and we're just I'm probably going seventy seventy five miles an hour. And as we were driving along, we had noticed that there was a river running below the highway, and I have since looked at that up and that seems to be the south fork of the Quarterlane River. And so driving along, talking looking around, and something caught our attention in the river below us at the same time, so we both

4:00 looked down and it was only a few seconds obviously, as we're driving by, and as soon it was over. We looked at each other and what was that? What did we just see? And it was pretty remarkable, And I think if it would just been if I had seen it and my buddy had not, I wouldn't have thought too much about it. But the fact that he saw it and I saw it really grabbed our attention. So we looked down in the water and there was a tall figure with long arms walking through the river. And from our direction, I would say it was heading southwest, walking back, walking across the river, and it looked to be about a foot of water, And again from the distance away that we were, that's hard to tell, but it was tall, and like I said, the long arms, the way the arms swayed, and the way he walked through the water, and just thinking that usually walking through any water, especially if there's rocks, it's slippery and it's not a fast process. But it didn't seem to have any any problem, or it wasn't walking precariously. It seemed like it was just strolling through the water. So the thing that caught us, other than being tall and long arms, it was completely dark from the top of the head to what we could see down towards the bottom of the legs, meaning no clothes, no, no fishing vest, no hat,

5:32 not carrying a fishing rod or anything like that. So again we're traveling by, we saw it, and okay, what did you see? What did you see? And we both described the exact same thing. It's like, well, did you see a hat? No, I didn't. Did you have fishing vest, a fishing rods? We went down the whole checklist. Could it have been a bear? And it's like, there's not a chance. It was walking on two legs, as natural as you and I would cross the street. So that is about the extent of what we saw. And again, if I had seen it, I probably would have blown it off, but the fact that my friend saw it gave it a little bit more credence. I have been a fan of the bigfoot phenomena since I was a little boy, and I mentioned this in my email to you, originally that those the mysterious monsters and legend of Boggie Creek and so forth, and then obviously as an adult, with the introduction of the Internet to be able to find and look at things, I have been much more interested in the subject as I've gotten older. So having said that I went on the BFRO database and I couldn't find anything specific to Kellogg, Idaho, nor did I see anything recent or relevant on the Bigfoot mapping project.

6:51 But on fast forward almost two weeks later, I am driving home to southern California from after I got my friend off that his Washington and I was listening to podcasts and I came across your episode six point thirty one, which was I believe Sasquatch stole our elk, which is based out of Kellogg, Idaho. So that is what prompted me to contact you and just to think maybe I have another piece of the puzzle to Bigfoot in Idaho. That's fantastic, and thank you for bringing that episode up. Because I myself am working on a siting map based on my episodes that's on my website big for Society podcast dot com. I haven't gone through all the episodes, and I actually haven't gone back in time far enough to get that episode on the map, so I'm glad that you were able to find it and bring that up.

7:47 That's a pretty interesting one for sure. A few questions for you about that siting that you had. Were there any cars pulled over in that area people watching things like that. No, and I don't know if anyone pulled over after us. And to this day I even joked with my friend, I said, if we did that over again, I would have had you pulled over and we would have backed up on the right shoulder, or I would have ran back with my phone and taken some pictures or gotten a better look at it. Absolutely, that's one of those situations where it's hindsight is twenty twenty. For sure. I know you only saw it for a very short amount of time because you're driving down the road seventy five miles an hour and you both see it for just a second or two during that time. Though I have some questions. Did you notice how it was built at all?

8:46 So it did not. And again, so after I sent this report to you, I had actually sent it to my buddy and he said, that's exactly what I saw. Tall, But I couldn't say how tall based on our vantage point, whether it was six or seven feet. It just seemed tall to both of us. And again the long arms and the way they were moving, so not a great deal of detail, and it didn't seem bulky. I couldn't say, oh, it was four feet wide or anything like that. It just seemed like a tall figure with long arms strolling through the water. That makes sense. Were you able to see it's a shape of its head at all?

9:31 Now we saw that it's had obviously, but I couldn't say that it was comb shaped or anything like that. I just, again, it was too quick of an encounter. And again I don't even know what it was. It just by process of elimination between my friend and I. It just didn't seem like it was a person. It didn't seem like it was a bear. Definitely it was on two legs, so that it wasn't an elk or a cow or anything like that. You've mentioned a few times that the arms were very long. Were they long enough so that they were down in the water or were they just above the water line.

10:15 So I would say that they were just maybe towards mid thigh. And so I was trained in water rescue and did that for most of my career, so I'm pretty familiar with the water crossings and moving water and so forth, and how I would walk across water. They would constantly be mindful of every step and anything that you might slip on or any snags, any tripping hazards in the water, and so forth, and so, but it seemed like the figure was just strolling. And again I had mentioned in my initial account, it seems like it's palms were down in the sense that its thumbs were by its side as it swung its arms as it walked, whereas you and I maybe would have walked through there very precariously and cautiously with our arms. Maybe I don't think I would be swinging my arms in that situation.

11:16 I think my arms might have been out in front of me, just to make sure that I didn't stumble, or if I did, I could catch myself hopefully. Did you get an estimate of how far away it was from you as you drove by? So I can only guesstimate on that, and I seemed like the water was approximately thirty feet below the deck of the highway and then so based on that, i'd say, and again, as a retired firefighter, I can base measurements based on a fifty foot section of fire hose, I would say it was probably one hundred feet away two six a. Hose, not too far away. What was the conversation like after you and your buddy kept on driving.

12:05 When we looked at each other, our eyes were both as big as silver dollars, and like, I said, what was that? What did we just see? And and so again we went down the list. Did you see this? So I saw this? Okay, yeah, I saw that too. And then I actually texted my Our family has a group text, and I said, hey, I think my buddy and I just saw bigfoot. And then another buddy of mine, who and I had mentioned in my in my initial email to you, that I had gone to the Smoky Mountain Bigfoot conference two years ago and another buddy of mine went with me, and so I texted him and on my I don't know what I saw. I listed everything like I listed in the email of the account, and I don't know what else it could be.

12:53 It's one of those quick, quick sightings that definitely sticks with you after you so you get over. So you made it all the way over to Minnesota. I'm guessing correct, Okay. Sometimes when people have encounters or they have sightings, they're affected in really weird ways. Was there anything out of the ordinary that happened in the days after that sighting, like any dreams or anything weird? Like that that came. Up, no whatsoever. We both thought it was cool. And again, I go camping in the eastern Sierra Nevada Mountains in California.

13:36 I've been on these remote canoe trips to the Boundary Waters in Minnesota five times now, so I always thought if I ever did have an encounter, it would be while camping in the Sierras or while on a canoe trip in Minnesota. But that wasn't the case apparently. Yeah, and that is the weird thing because both of those both of those areas are I would say the Sierra is the extremely active. I live in the Midwest Boundary Waters. Yeah, I've gotten reports from there as well. It's wild up there. But to have the sighting happen when you're driving along the river, it's pretty cool, pretty cool, but definitely unexpected. Todd and just I appreciate you spending some time talking to me about it. It's one of those where you know, as you said, other stuff has happened in Killag so it'll be cool to be able to put something else into the area. Hopefully some people listening to this will also come forward if they've had things happen. But yeah, thank you. For spending some time with me. I want to make sure that you were able to share everything about the encounter that you had happen.

14:50 Yeah, that's I can't add anymore. And again, I just hope it adds another piece to the puzzle and maybe someone else who was driving by that morning saw something that they were unsure of, or like you said, maybe there's people that live in and around Kellogg that might have something else to have. So I appreciate you listening to me, and I look forward to you're hearing more of the episodes. Fantastic. Thanks so much for coming on, Todd. I do appreciate it. All right, take care, Jeremiah. How's it going here? How you doing good? Good? I say your comment you have a few things to share tonight. Yeah. I've actually seen him twice. The better stories he's Texas, so I'll give you that one. I was sixteen at the time, and I was hanging out with my sister's boyfriend and her brother his brother, and they decided that we were all going to have a sleepover at their place, and they lived in East Texas, So we're driving back to their play there like an hour away from where we lived in Azel which also was out in the country a little bit, and as we're driving his my friend's brother, my sister's boyfriend. He was driving. He slows down and he's pointing out a bear that's off to the side of the road. Looks like it's got a deer.

16:15 This sucker stood up and it was not a bear. He was huge, probably eight foot tall at least, and at this point we're probably maybe twenty feet away from it. It bent down, grabbed the back legs of the deer, threw it over its shoulder, walked caddy corner in front of us from so from twenty feet down to fifteen feet to this gully that was on the side of the road, threw the deer down, snarled at us, and he booked it. He just hit the gas. We pilled out.

16:59 We were on a world going back to a trailer park. He pilled that thing pilled out. Got us to the trailer, and his was one of the first trailers that was off the road. So as we're getting out of the car, he basically grabs us, throws us into the trailer. He gets his gun and he's sitting there pointing it out the door, shaking because you could literally see where we were from his trailer, so he thought the sucker was gonna come after us or something. He didn't it just grabbed the deer and kept and went off into the woods. But let me tell you, I I've heard a lot of big foot stories and it just sets you on a path for the rest of your life. Once you've seen one, you really need to almost see it again to validate that your your to yourself that it was real.

18:00 I will say is the picture behind you is a very good interpretation. But if you can think of an American Indian and their facial structures, that's what it looked like. He had a very wide mouth. The teeth when he snarled just looked like human teeth, didn't He had no fangs or anything like that. His skin was a grayish complexion. But what the nose and everything. My initial thought was he looked like a huge type of like American Indian type face, you know what I mean. He didn't look like a monkey, is what I'm trying to say, which is what they tell you a lot. Oh it's just another eight. No, this was human, humanoid and that's what always stuck with that in his eyes.

18:53 So that was. That's always. It set me on a quest I go camping once a year different spots to try to see if I can find them. I got the opportunity when I moved up to pa Pennsylvania to go out to Mission Ake's Mission OK State Park. Yep, yep, I've heard about that one on Look at the Pike. That one. Yeah. I took my son and one of his friends camping and we found it was really great. And I went there like three four years in a row. One year we had with other campers there was their horses got let loose and all that kind of there's some crazy stuff went on that weekend, but no visuals, footprints we found all that kind of stuff. And then the last time I went with my son and his friend, we saw we were a couple going down one of the rby off road vehicles pass have out there. It's up on top of the mountain and probably, oh, I want to say, honestly, about forty fifty feet in front of us.

19:54 We thought it was the brown Bear first, because there's that little incline on the when you're walking on a path, you're not sure the bend there, you know what I mean? On the horizon, and as we got closer, it literally just to the path. And I was very good at looking at where it was the tree branches that were hanging down, so I get an idea of how tall it was, and it was pretty tall. So time we got up there and as we passed it, it had went off the side, so we thought it was safe to go ahead and go forward back to our camp. And it was starting to get dark, so we were getting a little iffy, so we started walking a little bit faster and stuff and talking louder in case it was a bear. And we turned around and it was behind us, right on the path, and we basically, thanks to my son's friend, we all got freaked out and we just bolted and we were like not that far from camp at that point. So we got back to the camp and my son's friend was like, never again, I'm not coming ever again. He thought it was a oak, and this sucker was big. I can't say, I know the tree branch looked anywhere from eight to nine feet, but I couldn't believe how tall it must have been for us to be able to see it. But yeah, so I'm considering myself quite lucky I've seen him twice, and I look at it as a tribe.

21:18 Absolutely, you saw him in Pennsylvania as well, then. Yes, wow. But I was sixteen the first time and I was in my fifties the second time. Okay, And I've gone camping at least once a year. I do a specific Bigfoot thing, and I've found tracks, and I found tree things in the woods and stuff that are unusual or what I consider nests. I got one picture of this looks like a nest that they would have put their babies in or something. It was really cool. Thank you for sharing both of those stories. So the two different places you had sightings, did they both look similar or did they look different and different? Place one the first one I got out that was you can't get close. If you got any closer, I probably would have been ripped apart. That first one, I saw the face, I saw the details. The second one was a little further away. I'll tell you what you can't miss on both of them is that scent. The same smell because it was summertime. The first time, we had the windows down, and it's that skunky, wet dog smell.

22:23 But that was just like I think the second time. It smelled more skunk, but it was. It's just the size of it's just overwhelming. God, I didn't see the face though. I didn't see the face on the second one. Sure it was too far away. The first one you mentioned the eyes. Did the eyes have any whites to them or were they all want of color? No, they had whites to it. Okay, that's what I'm saying. It was a human wight. I don't buy the not the one I saw, I don't buy. I don't buy the ape appearance so much. The nose was broader, like you'd see what he called it with some different races.

23:05 There's a little broader of a nose, but I don't know. And the mouth was very wide, but that's probably due they were so big. He was so big. And I'm saying he because there's there were no breasts or anything like that, but you couldn't. I wasn't looking at the crutch to be sure it's a guy, but it was definitely male. The width of the shoulders is unbelievable. You're talking like it looked like four foot wide. It was just he was just wide. It was crazy, And it was the funny part is that my sister's boyfriend got back and he he was with the gun, and then he called his brother over because he had soiled himself and he wanted to go get out of his pants, and he gave his brother, we're sixteen, so he gave him a gun the thing and told him to watch the door as his brothers what am I going to do if this thing was in the house. They had a little trailer he could he could just flip it over.

24:04 Yeah, you're not going to stop with us, for sure. Yeah. We did not sleep that night, needless to say. But from what we could tell when we were in the trailer, it looked like he just grabbed the deer and went into the tree line. Okay, I guess he decided to. He might have that's where he killed it, or maybe it was a roadkill and he just figured he grab it. I'm not sure, but I'll tell you there is nothing weirder than seeing it. When he stood up, he looks at us, and then he just reached down, like barely with one arm and flung it over his shoulder like. It was nothing. And then he started across the road. So we're just like stuck there. And as soon as he got to the left or left. His brother just hit the metal and just we just tore out.

24:49 Have you heard of any other interactions happening in that same stay for us? Oh yeah, all the time. Oh okay, wow. Yeah. I used to talk to There's I don't remember his name now, but one of the rangers there. I remember the first time I was up at the campside I chose and he came up to put up some flyers and he asked me how my weekend's going. I told him I was there specifically I do bigfoot expeditions. And if you want him, you'll see You'll see him if you want you to. He goes. I've been here four years. He goes, and the amount of people that have seen him, and I just knowing him being in the woods at night.

25:30 He goes. You hear the calls because I've never seen him physically. This is what the ranger said. He said he never seen him physically, but he's smelled them and he's heard him. He goes, and usually when he hears them, he figures he's in the wrong spot and he needs to go, he needs to leave. He goes. I'm not one to go looking for trouble. He goes if you hear bear growl or something, walk the other way. Yeah. But yeah, but even there, I used to go there. I went there, I want say, five, four or five times, and it was only the one time that we saw him. But other times we've had incidences around the camp site that led to one instance in particular, the one I told you about the horses that came out that we got a lot of good footprints and stuff out of that one partial hand. I didn't make a cast of that though, because it was questionable, but I wasn't questioning it.

26:24 Yeah, absolutely, man. Sometimes I call up different for us and try to talk to the rangers and stuff. I might try to call that one up. I have an episode where I talk to a guy who actually lives there and he's had a lot of stuff going on. It's seven to twelve of the podcast if you want to check it out. It's pretty interesting, I think. But yeah, man, thank you for coming up. Is this a conversation I can I could actually put on my big Foot podcast. Absolutely. It's nice talking to people that actually believe me. Right, Yeah, exactly, exactly. Keep us in the loop if anything else happens in the future. For sure, absolutely, man, Thanks for having me on. I appreciate it.

27:04 Thank you any Ray, how's it going? Hello either? How are you either? Hey man? Yeah, truck driver. Can you hear me? Yeah? You sound great? Yet to go ahead? Yeah, truck driver. For many years, man, and I've told this story. I think it's just that I still can't. I would like to go like back in somewhere where they dive into your memory, because I still have a hard time. The visual of the face is the hardest part of it. Like when you look into something and you can't understand what you're looking at. Garrett was like, why didn't you take a picture? It's the moment when it's happening. You're just numb. I didn't know what I was listening. I've never seen a bear on the twenty years of truck driving. But what this was is I was taking I was taking Wicker furniture from Atlanta up to high Point, North Carolina. I'd get there probably two or three in the morning, and it was just a drop yard where you dropped your trailer and you grabbed an empty and you turned around anyways you got off this highway and then you would make a right and it would it was a quarry down so you would go down below a highway that ran above and there was a quarry there, which I told you there was a quarry, and the fog everything kind of misses when you go down that far below. Anyways, I've just got

28:35 to say it quick. So it's just a it's a two am thing. I'm coming down the road and something standing in the middle of the road. As a truck driver, it's always something you don't know what it is. This thing was standing in front. It was standing in the middle of the road, and I pulled right up on it. When a semi is loud, man, it's obnoxious. You come up. Most anything runs deer. I don't care what it is. It runs. This thing stood at me all right, eye level in a semi's gotta be what seven eight foot staring me in the face. This is the hardest part that I have about it, because I've talked to so many people about it. It looked very old, like an old man. I try to look like. I've looked up bears, what a bear might look like. This thing was not a bear. It was an old man's face and it was all the hair was gone from the face. Right, So it was the hair on the top of the head.

29:43 But this thing was smelling in the air, like he was smelling something like it was hunting up hunted deer in hogs. And I'm a kid from Florida, I know the sense of what I'm looking at. But this thing was really dotted onto something. It was hunting something, and I interrupted it. But it's standing there looking, was pissed off at me that I showed up on it. I got bright lights. When you pull the air brakes on a semi it's obnoxious, loud. Man. This thing didn't flinch. It looked at me, and then it kept looking up, still smelling. I just I've tried to explain it to all my friends. Everybody's like, oh, it was a bear man.

30:27 I'm like, I'm telling you, this is not a bear man. This was something that was larger than life. It was huge, but it was the face. I can't get over. It had a normal kind of nose. It I can't. I just can't explain it. It was a human eye. It wasn't an animal, but it was an animal. It was covered in hair from But it stood there long enough for me to turn the engine off and stood there and we were in total silence for all right three minutes. Three minutes seemed like in half an hour, but it just all was so insane in the moment that you're looking at something. Listen. I've fought myself over and over.

31:17 I told my mom, I've told everybody, and you just know when you're seeing something that's not something in the category of anything. And then it did when it left, and it did go down and do a little bit of a hop away. It was. It didn't run off like you see the old picture of a big foot running through the woods like everybody believes. It was different. It did the it's like an eight move. It was a move that I That's why everybody's like, oh, it was a bear. And I'm like, I'm telling you, man, I know what a bear moves like. My mom lives in North Carolina and the bears stand up when they're smell something she's seen bare walk through her backyard telling you whatever I see, man, was not something on the register.

32:09 I don't know what else to say to it. High Point, North Carolina. Man, it was. It was just a moment in my life that I can't explain. I still try to figure it out. I even went to the Bigfoot X thing up in North Carolina, and I forgot to tell him the story. I can't explain that. I don't know, you know, the expedition thing up and. Oh yes, Northern Georgia, that. One, Yeah, yeah, up and and I They're like, how do you forget to tell him that story? I'm like, I just I talk with my wife about it all the time. I'm like you, I've seen so many weird things out on the road for so long, but that thing just bugs me. It bugs me hard. It's just what stands that tall in the semi that can look you in the eye. You gotta figure how tall that is?

33:02 Gotta be seven foot eight foot And it was pissed off that I ran up on it. I think a bear would have ran off, it would have been scared. This thing was aggressive, but it was It had no problem with me, like I was in its threat. So I don't know how to explain that to anybody. I do believe in it, I don't know, it's tell the story. I wish I could go back in my memory. It's the face that got me the most. Though it looked like a man's face, it looked like an old man, like native old man, like its hair was. It was really old. Whatever it was really like, the old one wasn't young.

33:53 Have you ever thought of going under hypnosis? That's what I wanted to do, man, And I want that moment because it clearly is in my mind. I remember it. Listen. I didn't grab the phone. I just turned the truck off. Like my sense in me was take the moment, don't grab the phone. I'm watching it through my big window on my semi when you just your of course you're freaked out. Nobody's gonna believe this. I'm not believing this. And it looked me straight in the face, What are you doing here? I knew the quarry was there, and you gotta believe in the hunting process, just that that's where it would be in a sense.

34:42 I'm a kid from Florida's I know Cougar's and I know how things work in Florida panthers, and it's just it all came together in that moment for me to see this big thing huge. It was huge, but it was old. That was the part of that got me the most. That its hair was receded way back in its head, like it had a huge forehead. It wasn't it was an animal, but it had a face. That was the part that confused me the most, Like, I'm looking at an old man. I don't know. Man. She shared this story with a lot of people. I appreciate you you sharing it up here. Did your truck have any type of dash camera?

35:33 Oh it's not. This is eight years ago. Man, that's what I'm saying. My phone sat My phone was sitting right there on the dash. I could have done something, but you're in shock. Man, You're just in shock. You're looking at something you can't explain. It's just it. That's the part that bugs me the most. Why didn't I take a picture? Anyways? I just wanted to share that. Thanks for letting me share it, man, Thank you. Ray. It lives on my memory every day. Man, Thank you. Bro. Is this a conversation I could to share on my big Foot podcast?

36:14 I have a heart, man, I would love to share it with more people. Thank you. Hey there, how's it going good? How about you? Good good? I'm glad you were able to get up here. Yeah, that was weird. I tried to get on the first time and it told me it needed permission. For my microphone and then it kicked me off. But oh gotcha. But anyway, Yeah, I got on here listening to people, and I thought, what a place to maybe share what I've been going through with some of these things. But I don't even really know where to start. I know the last one I typed in there that the last one experience I had with these things like saved my life. Literally.

36:59 Yeah. So four years ago, a buddy and I were hunting el cup in the High Uenas of Utah. Up here. I've been hunting ever since I was a little kid up there with my parents and my family, and generally throughout the year. Starting in about July, I take my trailer up there and we go up like every weekend camp and do some fun things before the hunts start. So where we were camp, there's a loop that goes around this whole big area if you drive and from where we're camp, I walk over this little ridge just out of camp, and there's some beaver ponds and such stuff like that that are down in there, and there's a big game trailer comes through. So I set a trail camera up there and kept an eye on it throughout the year or throughout the months up there that we were there. Sorry, and I had quite a few elk that were on this trail camera there. So my buddy and I got our archery out tags we decided we were going to go up there and see if we could get into some So the morning of this, we had driven his truck up halfway around this loop to where we could walk down into this area because there's some big quake and aspens up at the top of this opening that starts with these beaver ponds that go down towards where my trail camera was. And we

38:32 decided we were going to go up there and hang a couple of tree stands and just sit there throughout the day. So we get in there, and that's what we did. We hung our tree stands. We were about twenty yards apart from each other and just sitting there waiting and very uneventful day. Wasn't here or seeing anything, and some I got to point out because it falls into this situation here a little bit later. I always have a side arm on me when I'm up in the mountains, and I had this on and every time I'd move in my tree stand, my gun would clink on the side of the tree stands, I did my belt, took my gun off, and I put it in my backpack and we sat there for a few hours. And it got about eleven o'clock in the morning, and my buddy and I we decided, let's go back to camp, get something to eat, and then we'll come back and do the evening hunt. And so we climbed out of our tree stands, and I decided that I would walk down to where my trail camera was and have him drive back around the loop to camp and so I could check out if there was anything new on my trail cameras. So I took off, started walking down the draw and i'd get down where my trail camera was and I just barely get it unlocked and open it up,

40:03 and I'm starting to look at the pictures in it, and I hear a cow elk the sound they make, and it was just above me, and I froze. My bow was laying right next to me. And during this hunt, you can shoot a cow or a bull elk, and I'm all about putting meat in the freezer when I can. So I really wasn't judgmental on what I was going to shoot. So I readied myself with my bow as quiet as I could, and I'm looking up in the area of where the sound came from, which is about seventy to eighty yards above me and some it's thick pines that are up on this little side hill. And so I'm just sitting there watching and I know this trail comes right down from it, and then it's all clear cut to the I guess it'd be the west of where I'm looking, and so I'm thinking that these elk are going to come walk out right up on this trail above me, and I catch movement in the trees and it's jet black, and I instantly just got a bad feeling in my gut, and so I sat there for a few more seconds, just, oh crap, what do I do? And I thought, well, maybe it's a moose.

41:21 So I just sat there. I looked up there, and I heard the elk sound again, and I'm thinking, a moose don't make an elk sound. And so I watched it for a little longer and I couldn't get a good visual of what it was, but it's black, and it was big. It was really big, and it's just keeping itself behind these two specific trees that I can't see it. I can see parts of it as it's moving, but I can't totally make it out. At that point, I figured I knew what it was, and so I decided it's time to get out of here. I didn't even take time to lock up my trail camera. I just started hiking up the trail that goes up over this ridge and then back down to my camp well.

42:08 I started going and I got maybe one hundred yards away from it, and I thought, I'm gonna turn around and see with my binocular see if I can see anything down there. So I'm glassing down there, and I don't see anything. All of a sudden, I hear that elk sound again, and it's further to my left down the draw, and I pinpoint it and I throw my binoculars up and I see it and I can see it face I can. I am looking at this through my binoculars and I see its mouth open, and then I hear an elk sound and it is I don't know what it's doing. I don't know why it's mimicking this.

42:53 I don't know what is going on, but I'm losing my mind that I'm sitting there looking at this thing through my binoculars in the face, and it's time just stood still. I'm losing my mind and I'm watching this thing, and like I say, I watch its mouth open. A couple seconds later you hear the sound, and so I try to reach down into my pocket to get my phone, and I'm trying to line my phone up with my binoculars to try to get a picture anything I can do, and I'm shaking so bad at this point that i can't do anything. And as I'm doing this, all of a sudden, this tree it falls right behind me. It lands like four feet to my right, and I about lost all feeling from my neck down. I knew I was in trouble. I didn't know what was going to happen, but I tried. Everything in my body was telling me.

44:01 All I could muster out was this weird wattle as I'm trying to go down this trail to get away from whatever is behind me. And I didn't physically hear it or know it was there, but like I could sense that it was there, and I reached down to my side to grab my gun and it's not there. So I'm I've got a bow and an arrow, and my gun is in my backpack. So I just kept going, moving as fast as I could. I couldn't ever run, I couldn't ever do anything like it had me locked up, my body froze. I was like, it was everything I could do to just wattle, is the best thing I can say. And so I get all the way back down towards my camp and my buddy's standing out there by my trailer, and I get over there. I'm just starting to tell them what happened. And this is where the saved my life, I feel, comes in the biggest storm that I've ever been in my life, all of a sudden hit that place. It was blue skies when we were out there, blue skies the whole time, and all of a sudden it was trees blowing, hale came in humongous hall. It was like I would have been in real bad trouble if I would have still been out in that when this hit. And so I took

45:33 the whole thing from a scary experience to thinking that maybe they were trying to get my attention, maybe they were trying to push me out. I don't know how to explain it, but the events that happened. They were just too weird, too crazy. I've always been a believer since I was a little kid. My father, myself, and my dad's friend were up in the same area first light in the morning, coming leaving camp to go hunt elk, and on the ridge line, it's this big sage rush mountain in front of us that the road parallels the bottom of it. It's probably six hundred yards to the top, and it's a pretty steep hill. I've hiked up it since then. It takes me, I don't know, forty five minutes to get to hike up it. But we watched two human light things run from the bottom of this hill where there was a bunch of grove of trees.

46:37 They ran up that hill and they never stopped until they got to the top of it, and it took them less than a minute to do it. And that's where my belief started with this. But when I came into this situation that just happened on there, I don't know how to explain it. I haven't talked to many people about it. The last time I talked to anybody about a situation in that area, it was the Forest Service. I told him about an experience that we were having, and surprisingly, two weeks later that mountain side where I was explaining to them what was going on, that mountain side was on fire.

47:18 I was on fire. I was expecting that. I was expecting to be shut down. No, the mountain side was on fire. Because the hunts up here, they're kind of rapid follow each other. We were up on a certain hunt during the time, we had some weird stuff going on, and I talked to the Forest Service about it. We left, and I came up two weeks later for my next hunt, and the mountain side is on fire. There was actually big helicopters up at that time flying through the area as well. I don't know if they were helping trying to put the fire out or what they were doing, but it was a crazy situations. So I have never really wanted to talk to many people about the area and about the things that are going on because I don't want something like that to happen again. I don't know if they know these things are there and they kind of a shame on you get out of here to what they did with them, but I didn't want that to happen again. Wow.

48:26 Probably one of the coolest accounts I've heard a while, because it is very rare. To hear. I think I maybe have heard one other one where the person actually saw the creature to accept out of there like you did. So that's extremely rare and just really awesome to hear. Your picture in your background is like very close, Oh, really close. That's awesome. What things are different? I think this may have been like more female looking, more full face, not maybe as much hair on the whole face. Because I could see it. I could see it.

49:18 I could see its whole face, I could see its mouth, I could see its nose. You could almost through my binoculars you could almost see it like wincing with its eyes. The eyes are They're huge and dark. There's no whites anywhere in them. My goodness. Do they make binoculars that can take pictures? I'm not sure that'd be a heck of a invention if they could, as far as the ones I have. I have adapters from my phone for like my spotting scope that you can put on there, but for these binoculars that I carry when I'm in the field trying to do the best I could, trying to record and everything, trying to keep my lens in line with the binocular lens, and it I was shaken so bad. It just it wasn't happening very I've looked at the video and every once in a while I can say, oh, there it was, and but it's not anything you can really like distinctly see.

50:24 Yeah, hard to see. Gotcha, I got youa wow? What? Thank you for sharing. I am going to ask even though, just because I've been asking people. So the conversation we just had, is it I have a bigfoot podcast where I interview people about their accounts or is this one where you might not want to have that on that podcast? I would be fine with it. Awesome. I appreciate them. Might help some people that are that are dealing with stuff in the same area. You never know, man, Yeah, keep us in mind if you run into anything else out there, we'd love to hear about it. So thank you for coming up. Absolutely. I appreciate your time. Thanks for having this platform.

51:06 It's pretty cool to be able to talk about it and not sit there and have people laugh at you or think you're an idiot. Yeah, that's exactly why I do it. So I'm glad you're able to take part in that it's cool y, just stick around if you can, and thanks for being here. Absolutely well, they'll appreciate it. Hey, Michelle, how are you good? How are you great? What brings you up tonight? So I had an experience. It was probably about fifteen years ago. I'm now thirty five. So this has nothing to do with camping, if that's okay? Was not camping? Was it? To still live in a small town Pennsylvania. Had a boyfriend. He lived about three miles outside of the town that I'm at, so went out to his house for a while.

51:49 It was probably one two am. My dad had came to pick me up from the house and we were on the way home and it's I mean like it's not busy, and like now it's wharehouses has been. Built up, and back then it was woodzo. So we're on the way home, speed limits probably fifty five to sixty and driving it, like I said, about three miles back to my house. All of a sudden we see something. It was all fours when we've seen it, okay, and then we're probably ten to fifteen foot at this point, no time to react. And it was my dad was driving, so we both see it. He tries to lock up the brakes. There was nothing we could do, so we hit it. It immediately windshields smashed. Course, it was pretty much total and I knew we had to hit it at sixty it would have been about fifty five sixty miles an hour, and I'm like, what, thinking maybe a bear, But at the last moment it was up on all fours.

52:57 We hit it. He managed to get to stop up side of the road. I mean immediately dial nine to one one, called the cops or call ums because the windshield his head had went through. So I'm like thinking, get out, don't get out. I want to see what this is. They're they're like two miles from EMS. Was like two miles up the road going back. Sorry, head of the driver or head of the whatever it is. You hit driver. So I was in the passenger seat and he was driving. So he gets off the road and hurry up, call nine to one one because he can't see glasses in his eye. So they sunned m Mass as well as state police. So we're out outside of the township, so state police, but they got there probably five to ten minutes, and I said, I'm pretty sure I don't know a bear that stands in runs like that. I said her a deer. So the cops get there, they get my dad in the back of the ambulance. He's you know, I'm freaking because I know what we're seeing. He sees it, I see it, and it was like said all last minute.

54:07 They send the cops out and they there. There wasn't many houses on this drout stretch. It's it's called Route eleven, so it goes like Pennsylvania, it goes also into Maryland. They probably looked for twenty minutes. Whatever it was should have been dead. They find nothing. Now he goes to the hospital. They're saying, I'm overreacting. I'm thinking, I know what I've seen it. So next day we go home and he was driving like a suburban. It was like a jeep. I'd say, I think it was a jeep Cherokee. It was a big vehicle. Now, when we got home the next day, we got to looking cause and there was a big patch of hair in the windshield. But also i'm gonna say probably twice the size of a human handprint, and it was on the side as if the thing stood up and stopped it. I don't know how you could stop a vehicle.

54:59 It's it sounds crazy, and I knew I don't tell this story this first time I've actually told it. But there was a handprint there and we thought, you know, tell the cop, maybe try to get in touch with the cops again. But they blew us off as you're crazy. You didn't hit nothing. How's vehicle totaled? We had it killed some That can't be a deer. The deer would be dead if that was a bear. Why did it stand up and run off? But to this day nothing was ever We're in central Pennsylvania, but I've not seen nothing like that since now. Like I said, it's been the woods have been totaled due to warehousing and stuff like that. But crazy, crazy encounter.

55:42 Okay, so let me make sure you got this right. So you guys were driving along, you hit something, It broke the windshield or no, you're the driver went through the windshield and then it got up and ran off into the woods. Yes, he didn't go out the vehicle, but he hit his head real hard and it cracked the entire windshield. Okay, can you share what year this happened? It would have been so I would have been Okay, I'm thirty five. I'm gonna say I was twenty. So fifteen it would have been about fifteen years ago, so twenty ten. Yeah, okay, can you share the area if you said Central Pa?

56:27 Yes, So we're like an hour and a half outside of Harrisburg. It's Franklin County, Franklin County, Pennsylvania, and it also goes into I don't know if you're familiar, but Hagerstown, Maryland is about a ten minute drive as well. But this is more of like where when it was royal, Like, that's more city. This area just came up earlier tonight. Real, it's crazy. Yeah, it was a guy who was talking about stuff that was happening and was bishaw Stay Forest was it around there? It really sucked me that we could hit something going that fast and they couldn't find anything, and it was two or three cops out there looking. It's not a slip road. It's not like where you go twenty twenty.

57:09 It's fifty five to sixty in the stretch. Did you keep the hair? I honestly wish we would have and we think about that all the time, if we. Just would have bagged that back then. But they made us feel like we were crazy at the time, especially myself because he was in the back of the ambulance because he had the glass in the eyes and everything. But they made it fill to where you didn't do nothing. How did my vehicle get totaled? And but yeah, it was more like you're losing your mind type thing and we know what we're seeing this day. I know, wow, that is I have never talked to anyone who has out a person first secondhand, I haven't talked to anyone like you who has said they hit something.

57:56 And to tell you how tall it stood, it was well over the vehicle, I'm gonna say it was probably ten to twelve foot tall easy. Wow, huge and based on even when they when we see the handprint that unlike any human, the cop couldn't have left that. It was huge. It was probably a foot and length, I'd say easy, and I wish I would have got pictures back then. It wasn't that much with the cell phones and think. Long term, but we both agreed to do whatever we would have. Don't make us feel crazy. We know what we experienced. Yeah, and that's a tricky one too, because if you're with a person where they went through the windshield. They have stuff glass in their eye. You're going to be focusing on that. That's what you should be focusing on.

58:42 And once they got them in though I even I was telling the cops like, this is the way it ran, it's got to be dead. Nothing. They just you're crazy, you're great. What were you able to see anything about the base at all? See anything? What any face details or anything about art. It was very hairy. I didn't see a whole lot of the face because of how it happened. But it was huge. It was huge. It was all for as far as I could see. Like I said, didn't see a whole lot of the face detail, but it was like I would have thought, like a bear running up right. But then when we did look at the fur, it was like a brown and mostly black.

59:25 Though, okay, that's wild. That is absolutely wild. Is to say a conversation I could put on a big Foot podcast. I am absolutely and I appreciate anybody judging because I know a lot of people I've told the story. They look at you like you're crazy, and I know I'm not crazy. I know what I've seen. Another thing I want to say on that too, is since that happened. My dad has been a lot more spiritual. If I could worry it like that, like some of the stuff that he can sense and see. I don't know if it would have been linked to it or if he had that prior, but just yeah, it's all if he senses something is around like it's he's seen different apparition. I know not everybody believes in that too, different people in his lifetime. It's I don't know, it's almost went hand in hand because he never talked about it before.

1:00:22 But yeah, the amount of people I talked to where they have some kind of interaction and then that stuff gigs in, it's really weird. You're not the only person to bring that up. Awesome. I appreciate it. You don't make me feel crazy. Because I know this is why I do all this, so that people have a place to to talk about experience. But thank you so much for coming out, Michelle. I appreciate it. Thank you and you guys have a good night you too. By plant. That that was some wild stuff. Wow it stuff? Oh my guness how's it going?

1:01:09 I didn't mean the joint. I was actually just clicking and liking, but my boyfriend was sitting here listening and he has a big flist story. Yeah, you want to tell him beb about your situation. Yeah. Here, I'll had the fun to him because he's the one who's been sitting here. Listening the most. Yeah, the story's really interesting. Yeah. This was back in nineteen probably eighty seven, okay, eighty seven, somewhere around there. We were going camping. There was a bunch of us and we all had four drives and we were in the in central California up around Clearly and there's some back roads up there that go off the road. There's a place called stony Ford and Indian Valley Reservoir, and that's where we were at Indian Valley Reservoir, and we had a camp made a camp there and it's a place out in the middle of nowhere. You go about fifty miles off off road to get to that destination. You leave the main highway and you travel on a dirt road. It goes all the way up through the mountains and it's about fifty miles and anyways, it's a place where you don't see nobody. He can be up there for a week and if you see anybody, it'll be like a game warden or something that drives by or something like that. And so we was up there and there was about probably ten of us and

1:02:44 most of the guys that went to sleep, and there was me and two other guys had stayed up. And it was around midnight, and it happened to be a full moon, and there was a hill at the base of our camp. At the base of our camp, there was a hill that went right up to the main road up towards the top. It went up probably. About football a football field. Like, going straight up to the road, and the moon was coming up right behind that, and there was one tree up there up there on that road where we come down. We come down that path down to where we camped, and anyways, so the moon was coming up and it was you could see the silhouette of that tree when the moon, and that tree was probably about probably about twelve to fifteen feet tall. And we had a Doberman pincer with us, full grown, and we were just sitting there by the campfire, and I had a shot gun laying across my lap, and we were just sitting there and just talking, just me and the other two guys, and we heard the screen sound. It was a sound that unlike I'd never heard anything.

1:04:04 Like that before. And we looked up towards the top of the up to the top of the hill where that tree was, and it was standing there, this bigfoot thang or sasquatch or whatever you want to call it, and it had its arms up in the air and you could see the hair that was hanging off his elbows and his like were his biceps are underneath. You could see him through the moonlight because the moon was right behind him, and his arms were as tall as that tree. It was standing like right against that tree. The dog ended up taking off after him, and we're yelling. The dog's name was Boom, and I was going, Boom, get back here, come on. So I fired a shot up in the air and the thing took off. But I'd never seen or heard a scream like that thing made.

1:05:04 It was loud. It was loud, like almost ear piercing scream, but with a with a with a deep growl like in it, not like a growl, but like a. Just weird. I've never heard nothing like that before. I've never heard nothing like that before. And anyways, we went back up there. It was like I said it was midnight, and we went up there the next day, the next following morning when it was sunlight, and we went to look for tracks. And because we was up there deer hunting and there was nothing, I meant there was no tracks. There was nothing up there. But yeah, it was trippy.

1:05:50 That's some wild stuff. I've heard a few things, not from that area, but I've heard the Blue Lakes and the Harbor Hot Springs. But yeah, Indian Valley Reservoir. That's a first for me. I appreciate you coming up and sharing what you experienced. Sir. Yeah, yeah, thank you your name. Yeah, it's just a conversation I could use in a big Foot podcast that I have. Yes, you can. I'm actually writing a story on man. Oh, you're writing a book. Yeah, that's okay though, go ahead and music. Hey, when you get that book published, send me an email at big Society at gmail dot com. I'd like to know about that. Okay, all right, Well, awesome be talking to you.

1:06:37 And telling me podcast. All right, Thanks? Hi there, how are you hi, Jeremiah. It's it's Tim from the Lake Cushman. I was just thinking about you today. I was thinking about you an hour ago. I was like, I bet Tim has updates and I need to reach out to them, and. I absolutely, which absolutely thanks for. Having me on man. I haven't connected to you on TikTok yet, but yeah, I guess I could just quickly recap refresh for people. My girlfriend and I we go out. We've got a property that's just for camping over on the Olympic Peninsula near Lake Cushman, and it borders up against wilderness. It connects a ravine behind our property connects into Olympic National Park through forests, and just to sum it up, last year, we went out camping and there was snow on the ground.

1:07:33 We weren't expecting it. We went walking back into the ravine and found clear clear sasquatch tracks child's print inside of a parent's footprint, and I think things began to escalate from there. The next day we had a sighting of I should say it had a sighting of us. Really it was peeking over the fence that borders the ravine, and I can describe it now as brown sugar, you know what, like the light tan of brown sugar. So have you heard that before, that that's a common color of these I've never.

1:08:15 Heard it explained in that way. That is a new one for me. Actually, I've been thinking, and I'm an artist, so I think about color quite a bit, and I've been thinking, like, what how do I describe It's like coyote, It's like it's brown sugar. It's just that muted kind of beige. Anyway, this head that popped up twice in my peripheral, so I didn't make eye contact with it. But anyway, from there on it's been visitations, and the visitations have been pretty steady. I've been out there camping every month over the last year, including throughout the win cure. I've been planting trees on the land so that it can reforest.

1:09:07 And I think it's the frequency of being out there that we've were toyed with, played with. I'm thinking they're juveniles because the little kind of gestures that they do, which are house do you explain? You're sitting around a fire at night and a tiny pebble just goes whizzing through the air and h's my girlfriend in the back of the head. Not painful, it's not a big rock. It's like a little zinger hit the lawn chair. We've got those old aluminum lawn chairs that have the metal they pulled out metal legs. I'm sitting there and just ding hits the chair. But my favorite, I think, are the sticks that they gift and we will find them shoved into the ground where we walk at the edge of our camp the overnight. Wake up in the morning and there's a like a ten inch sharp broken stick that looks like it was manhandled and then just shoved into the dirt. That was really cool. And then there's one other one. Oh boy, it's a primitive campsite. We have to do our business in the woods. A bit rock just goes whizz and by me and it hits.

1:10:37 It's on a slope and it hits the ground and just goes And I don't know how they could throw a rock the size of a baseball. Like. It had to come from across the road, so we're talking like a football field, like one hundred yards. Anyway, it's just it's just been it's been an interesting ongoing presence, the calls that we're getting. I told you last time about the fake duck, and you've had several people even around around the Hood Canal, around the Olympic Peninsula. It's the duck that turns into a growl at the end.

1:11:21 And it happens at midnight. When how many times do you hear a duck just in the woods in a ravine at midnight and then turn into a growl. So, yeah, man, I went camping with buddies there in May. There's just been a continual just enough that it's a really quiet area. We're the only ones that are camping usually when we camp weekdays off season, and so we're making noise, we're laughing. My girlfriend's got a really sharp, explosive laugh, and I think that that is, I don't know, like an alarm that they're like, oh, they're here, let's go, let's go spy.

1:12:04 I just love the idea that they're spying on us. That's awesome, man, it's so cool to hear that you're still having stuff happen in that area. I know, because you were starting to ask other people, and I think you were talking to a country store in the area. Is that right? Yeah? They Yeah, I definitely they changed owners that little store. But I made good friends with the owner and before he left, and yeah, showed him and his son, the prince, And yeah, I haven't really met in the neighbors. It's a hard topic to bring up. There's a lot of retired folks that live out there too, and it's I want to people can take it one way or the other.

1:12:51 It seems like when you bring up that topic, and I have been I have had the ridicule and I've had the look at you like crazy thing. But now I've experienced enough, and I've listened to every one of your podcasts and several other podcasts, and it's duh, there is this reality. These are subjects of a phenomenon, and you can't deny that. You cannot deny that there are subjects of a phenomenon. It was plainly put. So anyway it'd be interesting. Sometimes you can try to not just jump right into big footstuff, but you can be like, hey, you ever seen anything weird around here?

1:13:39 Something like that, yeah, or here I. Can get weird because it's mainly audio, it's little gifts. I was just out there two nights for two nights, and there was a little mushroom left on. I've built this kind of not even a fence. It's a hitchin post out of driftwood, and it's just the backdrop of the fire pit and there's a little mushroom left just sitting so perfectly set, and it's yes, it could be a squirrel, Yes, something else could have dropped it there. But the truth is. I can't rule out the reality that there's sasquatch around.

1:14:20 They've shown it to us, they've shown themselves. It's really exciting. And then here's why I called or why I requested this is I had a one on one experience for the first time that I know of, and this happened in May. And I was camping alone. And I do like the camp alone too. I just it's so far out and away from everything, so I just feel free. And man, I was singing. I was standing next to the fire, singing my heart out. I don't really do it home, or you'd do that while driving, but I'm singing, and I'm singing this song by Beach House and it's the song is called Used to Be, and it's just really just emotional, cathartic song about coming home. Is the line coming home, and I'm belting and I'm just like, goh me, you know, it's this long drawn out thing.

1:15:22 And right after I did that, I lost myself. I wasn't aware of where I was. It was just one of those moments where I'm just like I am the song, the song is me. I'm not anywhere. And right after I sung that, probably thirty feet away, right at the edge of our camp in the shadows, a big voice came through and sung right back at me. And it wasn't just a whoop, it was like a who that's what it sounded like. It was several notes put together.

1:16:09 And I was alone and I don't have weapons. I never have owned a gun. I don't I don't even think on that level. But wow, it's just they say your blood runs cold. It was like, okay, that's a voice. That's kind of language, but it's responding to my singing. I don't know what to do next. What's the protocol after that happens? Do you sing back to it? It's I don't. I don't feel like I feel like I should have sung back. But I freaked out and I started. We have a trailer, and so I went in the trailer and retreated and then I'm like, hang on, get over this moment, go back out, and I did, and I went back out and it was dead silent, and I paused the music, and I'm like, hang on, let's keep the music going. I let it play. I started talking to whoever was there out loud. I stood on our picnic table and showed my hands. I repeated some of the words that I had heard last year, which are like this three syllable.

1:17:31 Oh wah, oh this is what we heard. It was like, oh wow, oh so I said that. I'm just like, I don't know what it means, but anyway, that's just a I just wanted to connect and just share that. Yeah. Man, it's still it's still hop in place. Man. I'm so glad that we're talking right now because literally I was gonna try to reach out to you tomorrow. It's weird. Wow, But dude, that's awesome. It's still going on for you. I hope it continues. This is this a chat I could put on the podcast as well? Oh yeah, absolutely, I'd be happy if you did. And yeah, it's been a wild night, hasn't it so many?

1:18:15 But Jude, Yeah, I hope to hear from me again. Maybe in a few months, but always good to hear from you. Tim. You have a good one, man. Thank you, Jeremia. I have a great night, man, you too. Right before we wrap this episode, I want to say something directly to a very specific group of listeners. If you're in the military, any branch or forces, and if you've seen something that no one can explain, or if you're a National park ranger or forestry worker who's been told to stay quiet. If you're a pilot who's seen something strange down on the ground, or if you're with the FBI a federal agency, or working intelligence and you stumbled upon something you're not allowed to talk about. And if you're a firefighter, paramedic, or search and rescue responder who's heard screams or found tracks that didn't make sense.

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