We're STUCK WITH SASQUATCH! | Missouri

0:00 You're listening to Bigle the Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron. In this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to bring you first hand encounters from people who say they've seen something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers to quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere, and each one leaves us with more questions than answers. These are the voices of the people who've lived it. To settle in, because today you'll hear another account that just might change the way you see the woods forever. So stay with us, all right, Big the Society. You've got Dave here today. Dave is an individual. Are you still from northern Missouri? David? Well, yeah, for I'm living lots of activity, gotcha.

0:46 Dave and I talked a few years ago. It was for it wasn't for a public interview, but I think it would be great to kind of get Dave's story out there because it's a very, very interesting one. You've had a lot of activity over the years, correct, Dave. Oh yeah, I mean I had my first sighting that was April second, twenty twelve, and that's where the adventure begins. Really, I live out in the country. I got ten acres, and you know, you buy an old place, you end up with lots of stuff, lots of junk to get rid of. And probably about three fourths of the property is in forest, so there's a lot of you know, there's trees that are down from storms. There's trees that are just down because they were old and died. And I bought a wood stove, and I figured, might as well instead of just put it in a big pile and woo burn it up, might as well heat my house.

2:00 I've been out cutting some firewood and a stand of trees and it's primarily oak, and they were all nice size, you know that they didn't mean to split or anything. And I'd been whacking away on them for you know, a good part of an afternoon, so I had plenty of it. I just did all the cutting at one time, and I was heading out with my pickup to go load up a bunch and you know, put it in the basement, and I'm in my truck. I round the barn and I'm on the hilltop and you know where my property is. It's kind of I don't know, it's kind of rectangular shape, but like the house and the barn are on like a finger of land the way the hill is, and then it drops off on both sides.

2:57 On the west side right even with the barn is the face of the dam to a little pond. I got and anyway, I'm out and I'm gonna go because there's kind of almost I got like a cul de sac to turn around, so I was going to turn around there and then pull as close as I could to the trees too, you know, load up stuff. Well, I'm kind of along. I look and I see a big black, dark sheep standing there right in the edge of the trees. And I'm like, no, nah, no way, you know, And I kinda turned to pay attention to where I was driving because I didn't want to run over this locust tree because they got thorns. You get a flat tired off of anyway, I look to do that and do my little looped loop and look back and it was gone. Well, I parked the truck, and you know, I'm only about maybe one hundred feet away from where I had seen this, and I looked over my shoulder a lot, and I only took about half the wood I had cut because I didn't know them.

4:19 And then two days later I went back to look for tracks, and then I realized what I thought was, you know, like probably six feet tall would have been eight feet tall. And I couldn't find any tracks because you know, it was covered heavily and leaves the forest floor. You know, you step on it and it's like a sponge, it'll come back over time. And I wasn't there soon enough to look for tracks, and I wasn't going to look for tracks on the day that I had seen whatever. And now what I saw is, you know, it was black, and it didn't have the big giant broad shoulders, and it looked pretty much man shaped. I didn't see a face, but its back could have been towards me. I didn't.

5:18 I couldn't see any facial features. But then you know, farm truck, the windshield wasn't exactly spotles neither. So that was pretty much my first encounter. And I had talked with the game word and you know, because I was curious if anybody else seeing anything like that, and he said no, at least nobody had told him. But he goes, well, they're not they're not a protective species. So my advice is to see one to shoot it in the face. I said to the guy, you know, what's wrong with you?

5:58 Necessarily wasn't. It didn't threaten me, it didn't hurt me, it didn't do anything other than just being there. So I'm not going to shoot it. So anyway, I'm you know, tried reporting it and got a hold of some big foot groups and got a hold of this one that David Pilates's the Polities is involved with, and I met a man named Richard who became a mentor towards me, and you know, I just I thought, you know, about this house. I paid for it, no mortgage. I thought everything would be great, and it's like, well, you can't just get rid of it. You can't just leave. And I thought, well, I'm not going to live in fear.

6:50 Maybe I can make friends with these things. So I reached out to him, and that's kind of how the adventure began. And over the years, you know, I had a lot of encounters, had them break into the house a few times, raided the kitchen a couple of times, and one night they forced open the basement door and my machete was gone. The next day, I find a machete, the sheath to the machette and laying on the basement floor, and machete laying out in the driveway, and it's kind of a little bent up from the use, but at least it was returned. And I'd had other things go missing.

7:47 I had a cigarette lighter go missing, you know, just just a big I had a file go missing. I had a hatchet get taken. And I had a couple of rusty machetes that got borrowed and came back and they had, you know, you could see some hobbyist use of them. There was a guy living with me for a while, used to help me out and stuff. One time he had a machete and he forgot it and it was by these the wild grape vines you get, and it was out there and there was one probably a bought as stick as my forearm, and he said he seemed that it was cut with one hit through a vine like that. And then he found a machette.

8:44 It was probably about fifteen feet from where it had been, and he found some tracks. He didn't he really didn't tell me about the tracks till later, but he said there were probably fourteen inches. There was another time where were out my neighbor's property. We'd been cutting wood, and he left the machete and it was more more sword like than a machette, and it was un a stainless steel made out of some ten gauge, which is a fairly heavy metal, you know, as far as the thickness, and he had kind of hit it on the edge of an oak stump and it was like at a forty five degre angle. Well, when he come back to find it, the machete was in this stump which was probably about fourteen inches across red oak, and it was probably four inches of wood past the back edge of the machette. Took him probably ten minutes to get it and pulled out of it. You menage the force it took to do that. Now. I've spotlighted him a few times.

9:59 One time I was you know, a lot of what I did was on my back deck. I had been back there and I would whistle to the females and they would reply with bard owl calls. Now, the thing is that at that time there were three of them that were making the bard dowl calls, and each one would do a slightly different call, you know, and if they were birds, you'd think that I'll do they'd all sing the same song. That's kind of how I figured out that there are three females, and I'd whistle and they'd do their calls back in this one night, I kind of heard some motion over over by where the old chicken coop was, so I hit my spotlight and I saw a bright green knives and on the head and it duck down. So then I cut my spotlight and I kind of like one, two three, and I hit it again, and there it was. It was standing.

11:17 It had apparently been over eaten black grassberries, and it was I'm assuming it was female. It was about five foot tall, had you know, real stringy hair. I guess you'd kind of destry it almost like a string mop. And the bangs were cut. There's face there was facial hair, you know, not like a long beard, but there was hair covering the face except for all you could see skin was like right around the eyes and nose and everything else was hair covered. Man, And it appeared that the bangs were cut. Now, I don't know how they do that. You know, it might be a piece of broken glass whatever, you know, but they are. But they're all like that. It had a pretty good head of hair.

12:15 Now to me, the head didn't appear comb like, it was more round. Eyes glowed bright green, and it was, you know, it's shoulders were kind of broad, but not overly, and you know, it was I guess you'd say it was kind of like a like a skinny kid. It wasn't overly muscular, so I'm assuming it had to have been a female, although I didn't see brass. And it acted like it wanted to go on all fours, but I think it had a handful of berries, so it was kind of going between was standing upright and wanting to walk on all fours, and it went off towards where an adult female had been calling from. You know, just stuff like that. Another time, it was about ten at night and I heard where it sounded like somebody was maybe messing around with some stuff that might have been my neighbors. He parked, Oh he used to do the demotion derby and stuff, and he parked the car and he had a car trail there, and it was an old camper and some stuff kind of right along the property line. Would being a good neighbor, and went to go check and went down spotlight and didn't see nothing.

13:46 Turned around there and driveway, I backed and so I wouldn't shine my lights in their house or anything. And on the way back, where there was clearing kind of right by the property line, I spot lightened and I saw something. And when I stopped the truck, the dust kind of come up, and in the spotlight it was kind of hard to tell. I was unsure what the heck I was looking at. There was big and as dust kind of went down, I seen it was an adult male and he was probably about forty feet from me. Black skin was gray, and again all you could see of his face was glowing green eyes and the gray skin, you know, right right around his nose and eyes. And again he had a thick head of hair. He had trimmed bangs, you know that'd be trimmed about to his eyebrows.

14:47 And he was on all fours and on all fours, i'd estimate his head was probably eight feet off the ground. And his arms were like huge, I'd say they his arms were as big around as me. And I'm not skinny, and I'm kind of fat, and you know, well, I mean I can fit into a thirty four gene but I got a pretty good belly, and so I'd say his biceps were probably, you know, pretty close thirty four thirty six inches round. And when I realized what I was looking at, I laid my three fifty seven on the seat because I didn't I didn't think it would do me any good. And I tried to talk to him, and he looked really nervous because he'd look at me and then he'd look ahead, and he'd look at me and he'd look ahead. And I just kind of said to him, I said, you know, can we live in peace?

15:59 I said, I don't want to hurt you, and I sure don't want you to hurt me. And then he just real gracefully moved on all fours and got onto my property. And I pulled forward a little bit try to get better look, you know, keep track of him, and I couldn't find it. So there was kind of a git there. He could have laid down, or he could have went downhill towards my pond. I don't know that pulled up in the yard right up next to the house and went inside. But I've had a lot of other things happen. I've been hit with infrasound before.

16:43 I didn't like it. The second time it happened, they get to hear my knean grace and it didn't happen again. But I've had researchers out here and they've all had different things happen. They might not have seen them, but they were either hit with infrasound, they got some wild recordings. They went around, found different trees, structures, you know, trees twisted off at about nine feet above the ground. I mean stuff that you know was obvious sign. They were all convinced they were here. I've had some return I've had some I don't ever want to return different reasons. Yeah, it's just been kind of a wild and crazy adventure.

17:31 And there was one that I got to pretty much watch till he reached maturity. From min estimating where he was when I first seen and he was just a little kid, probably five years old. It's six feet tall, and he grew I would say six inches a year until he reached maturity. And then once he hit adulthood, I haven't seen him, and that's probably four years. But he used to come around when I'd go back and forth with the girls and the calling and stuff, and I caught him peeking around the edge of my garage, you know, fifteen feet away. And I believe he's the one that went into the house. I believe he's the one that used to borrow my stuff. We've caught him pet, I mean pet and my dogs. My dogs were familiar with him. They weren't afraid of him, you know, they'd given him away before where I'd caught him in the spotlight going away. Because dogs run to the side of the pan like they're all excited, wagging their tails, you know, like pet me and kind of barking a little bit.

18:45 It wasn't in a fierce manner. It was like, hey, you know, we're here, pat me, like they're happy to see somebody. So he'd befriended my dogs. And and there's a lot of those kind of stories, Dave Is. It is a fascinating story. I have definitely a few questions I want to ask you about, you know, what you have brought up so far. You mentioned that your your thought was, well maybe I can make friends with them. Were there were there ways that you think were effective. Were you able to make friends with them or how did you go about that?

19:28 Well, I mean, we like buddies, there anything. But I'm not afraid of them. I'm not afraid to walk up to them. You know. I started out with, you know, kind of trying to take a Jane Goodall approach, and I have some goodies and stuff out for them and they'd take them. And I tried a lot of different stuff, and I actually had the female sing for me once and then that kind of freaked me out. You know, It's sounded almost like you know, it was two of them, but it almost sounded like a tropical love bird song or something. And I thought, oh, no, have I been too nice and kind? And I thought, well, what if one of them snatches me, you know and brings me home, what's Daddy going to say? And if he don't approve, I'm a dead man. Right. It was kind of scary in a way, you know, but I tried different things, and like one time, what I did is a little gross.

20:40 But you know how women, I like, if their man's out of town, they'll keep a dirty T shirt to his and sleep with it just because it smells like him. Yeah, it was summer and I had this T shirt and I was working outside and you know, it's sweat in it until it was wet, and then you'd go in the house and get a fresh, clean, dry shirt because the one you were wearing just you know, a full sweat well, I'd let it dry out and put it back on next day. I wanted to get my scent on it really good. So I did that for three days in a row to where I know, sweat till it was pretty damp and wet, and then I kind of left it laying on the log where i'd leave them goodies. You know, a lot of times I'd have like a stew can or something and I'd leave them a little bit of whatever I was eating, a little bit of dog food on it, and they'd take it.

21:45 And I let this shirt just to see what would happen. And what did happen was, you know, I found I had had the shirt leant. I had one of those t handle shovels, you know for digging dirt, and I had it in the dirt so that the shovel was standing up and I kind of had the T shirt hanging on that. Now. When I came back the following day, the T shirt was over on this big log oak log that was probably thirty inches across. It was laying on its side, and it was where I was putting goodies out for him. Anyway, the shirt was all wet, and I thought, hmm, so I picked it up and smelled it because I wanted to see if you know, maybe a nail pee down it or something. But no, it was all wet and the best I can figure, you know, after three days aware and it it was kind of shtinky. So I think they must have went up to the pond and kind of ensed it out and put it back back there. Okay, you know, I mean, it's all experiment and communicate, trying to communicate, and that's just something i'd tried. Another thing I did is when I put stuff out for them, I would often have

23:18 raw eggs in the shell. Now it seemed like if they got to it, you wouldn't find any egg shells, and if a critter got to it, you'd find shells there, because you know, like like a raccoon or a fox or coyote or something, they're going to just eat the eggs right on the spot. Even a possum or skunk, they're going to eat them right there. They're not going to carry them off or save them something. They're just going to gobble them up where they find it, you know, so it's easy to tell. And you know, that's something that the bigfoot are are only able to get seasonally, unlike us and we buy eggs year round. They can't.

24:15 So that's kind of a treat to them, especially when you give it to them when you checked the tang like they can't get it. I had a lot of other different stuff happened sightings. About two weeks ago, my wife and I were out on the front porch. She had said that she like sit out on the front porch a lot of times, and she got she's been collecting kitty cats since she came here, and anyway, she likes watching cats and just sitting outside enjoying the weather. And anyway, she's been noticing in the tree line across the road and something black moving around. She said, between three and four in the afternoon, she told me I should come out there and check it out. Anyway, I went out there and then I grabbed a sight of binoculars and as I was in the doorway, I looked across the road and I noticed there's one tree it kind of looked like a head teaking around and That's something I've noticed before when they were around where you can't you don't see him move until they think you can't see him, and like out of your peripherial vision, you'll catch movements. Sometimes you'll see a young one that'll go from hiding behind one tree and then we'll go

25:45 to the next tree and they'll stand there and then I'll just lean back enough so you know, I can see you with one eye. I've seen that before, and this was kind of like that, where there was one probably hiding and a jube hidden behind a tree looking and they do keep track of us and everything around. Because where I believe they live is not too far from our home. I've never been there because I ain't going to go there because the last thing you want to deal with is, you know, if they happened upon when it's sleeping or something, you know, you don't want to startle it because if it panics, who knows what can happen when things get bad, So you gotta watch what you're doing.

26:36 I would agree with you. Has there ever been a time when you have felt like you're in danger on your own property or do you think there is a common understanding back and forth between you and them. Only two times now. Once I got hit pretty hard by an adult meal with the sound. And I don't know if there's a holopathic component to it or not, but I'll give you a description of what it felt like. It was like anger and fear, hatred and doom all rolled into one directed at me, if that makes any sense to you. And you know, with infra sound, it made me physically shudder. And I could tell it was an adult male because I could smell it. And what I smelled kind of had you know what a sweaty horse smells like. Yes, if you take that and the real sulfury smell like burnt smoke balls, and then top that was skunk. Now I found the only ones that have the skunky smell, or the adult male hunters. And think of it like a bow hunter that goes up in the tree and they put on their masking agent

28:07 so that they don't smell like a predator. Well, I think you know the bigfoots use skunk as a masking agent so that when they're hunting in the woods. You know, deer smells skunk. Deer says, well, skunk don't eat dear, at least not live ones anyway, so I'm okay, And well then they run into somebody that is a lot bigger than a skunk that'll grab him and make dinner out of them. But you know, he hit me with that and like twice, and I tried talking to Gig.

28:52 I said, you know, can we live in peace? I not be honest with you. I thought, well, this big old gonna try coming after me. And I had my three fifty seven magnum and I had my Rudor Many fourteen across my lap with a forty round mag. I sat there like that until sun come up, before I went to sleep. Now, it's not getting hit with interesting is not a pleasant experience. It can maybe rattle, But I found out from the experience of somebody else that got hit with it when I was here, I want to do a test. I've heard that if you go to sleep, it's the best thing that you can do as far as shaking the effects of it. And so I had him go to sleep, and I left him sleep for like an hour and I went. I went and woke him up, you know, to see if you still feeling the effects. And no, they were gone. But he thought that it was like five or six hours later as far as how he slept. So I don't know, so anybody listening, if you get hit with it, it could be kind of harmful, so you might want to just go and do some sleep. It kind of gives

30:23 your brain a reset and then the effects don't don't last for a long period of time. But now another thing is, I've talked to people that were out out in the woods looking for Bigfoot, and they've described to me what would be considered missing time, and you know, not just fifteen to twenty minutes or something like two to three hours a time. They just can't account for know what happened, And I don't know if you know how to explain it. I think there's a strong possibility that it could be, you know, somewhat like the people that described getting abducted, you know, they're always having missing time, And I mean personally know as far as like a bigfoot UFO connection, I'm trying to skeptical on that. I think, you know, in advanced species would look at them and look at us as just another number. And when they talk about how people said they saw a bigfoot come out of a UFO and then it acted like they

31:57 weren't even there and walked right past. Well, to me, that sounds very much like a typical UFO abduction that people describe. And now, you know, they go like they're told to go through the woods and go to a certain place and go back home or whatever, and it's almost like they're in a hypnotic state. And I think, you know, when they describe it, it was one time, and you hear people talk about it like it like there's been many people who have reported seeing a big foot come from the UFO, but I believe it would homely one. And it just gets circulated a lot. You know, I used to be kind of heavy into the Facebook groups and stuff, and anymore it's you know, you get one fake thing after another, and it just keeps getting posted and recycled.

33:03 Over exactly, and then it pretty much becomes law in the bigfoot community, like, oh, it's always been like this, well probably not just probably as you said, someone said it one day and then everyone started repeating it. The individuals that have been on your property, the other researchers, I believe you said other people have had infrasound too. Is what they experienced the same as what you've experienced when it comes to infrasound. Well, now, these one guys, they went down to the end of the dead end road and it was probably about four in the morning, and when they walked back thereby, there was a little bit of an opening in the trees because they'd come through and did a bunch of logging and had a sawmill set up and stuff, and that ten acres it's next to mine. There's a bunch of logging trails and stuff up through there. And I believe the Bigfoot use those because well, let's face it, just like deer and everything else, they're going to take the path at least resistance. And if you got these big wide paths, you know, with the skidder made for the skinner to drag logs out, that's pretty easy to get through the woods. And then you're not dealing with all these prickly briers and black raspberry bushes and all that other crap. You can just get around good. While

34:33 there was a spot where those were, and when those guys went by that, they got hit with it. Now, the one guy he described where he felt his ear drums kind of go, you know, like he was exposed to being like by a base speaker and the other fella just about did a nose dive on the gravel road. That's how hard it hit him. So maink out of that, which you will bit. That's what happened when they got hit with it. And one guy he came back a couple of times, the one that said he just felt like a bass sound. And I'll give him credit. He went, you know, I kind of described to him what I thought, where I thought they were using and whatnot. And I've had a lot of need trouble over the years, and this year they took my leg off above the knee.

35:46 Afternoon's surgery is trying to save my leg, but I just kept having infection issues and just got to the point where I lost the legs. Anyway, I had, well, that's life. What are you going to do? You either quit or you just keep moving forward. So anyhow that happened sucks. The phantom mirror of pain is unlike anything you could believe. It's bad. But I'm doing the best I can. Only got a leg waiting to go to therapy, so I learned how to walk all over again. Yeah, then I get back to life. But anyway, I was where am I going with this. I kind of told him where to go, and the guy come back. He even ended up not paying attention to his surroundings and ended up with one of them locust thorings went right through the bottom of his shoe and into his foot.

36:58 So I had to do a little We had to doctor him up a little bit, pull the thorn out of the bottom of his foot, you know, put a little day to die on there, and give him a little band aid. But he ran around. He said he found trendwis a lot of you know, your different tree structures and stuff like that. He didn't find any footprints. And now where I'm at, I've only ever been able to get a get two footprints that I felt were worth waisting the plaster to cast him. I mean there's people out there. They'll cast anything, whether it's even remotely looks like a footprint or not. I mean it just kind of sort of has that shape. I mean some of that stuff, it's like waste a lot of money just going out and plaster cast and stuff that isn't worth doing in my opinion. I mean, if you can't see toes, you're in actual footsheet, what does the point I don't see it.

38:18 I agree with you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. So this last period of time before you get your you're let's see, let me think of how I want to say this. So the last few weeks since you've had the removal of half of your leg, things have still continued to happen. Well, they live around here. They live around here year round, so of course, I mean anytime it gets towards night, you can go out and sit on the front porch and you can hear them, you can interact with them.

39:03 They usually come through a couple times to night, you know, once going away from their home, and then as it gets towards morning, they come back. You mentioned that the researchers also have been able to record sounds at your property. What kind of sounds are they recording? On the one night when they went down to the dead end and close to four am and they got that. You know, everybody wants caught ZAPT but that's more like if you were hit with electricity and anything to do with sound. It's a blast, you know, like when a airplane breaks a sound barrier. You know it's a sonic boom or blast, and you go out and with a call for predators. They call it call blasting only, so I call it getting blasted. Anyway, they had gone down and when they got back down here, you could hear the males going off and setting off all their little groups of coyotes. And you hear probably thirty coyotes and six males going off. It's quite a sound. I said, Well,

40:36 I said, you had tissed them off now, but you know, it almost sounded close like to fifty. But I know from over the years that each of the males, the adult males, the ones that hunt, they all have domesticated coyotes, and they all have five each for some reason, that's the number that they have. And I got a friend that I let hunt out here. He bow hunts, and he's into that. One time he was into looking for turkeys and he heard a couple of them. He thought, oh, I'll go get ahead of them. Well I don't. I think somebody else was also hunting the turkeys, because he went down this little dirt path that goes down to the creek between my property and the property next to me, which I've got some great neighbors. Anyway, he went down there and he said, about fifty yards to the west of him, he heard a whistle and he described it as being like three breaths long. Then he went the other He heard a return call from the other way,

42:07 and it was the same, you know, a whistle that was like three breaths long. So he decided, well, it's probably a good time to just back on out of there. But when he when he heard the second one, he said, I see I looked over and he goes, and I seen five coyotes and they were walking like in single file. He goes, you don't see that. That's not normal. And he goes and one of them didn't have a tail. He said, at that time of the year, you know, the tails are pretty fluffy and bushy on a coyote. And he said. Now he goes, well one it could have been a dog, he said, but the one didn't have a tail, And so he backed on out of there.

42:56 And then there was another time he was here and he was kind of walking along. He likes to look for a shed antlers and stuff. So he was looking along, kind of along down near the creek that goes through that. It's one of the creeks that the only time it flows is when it rains. You know, it's kind of you call it dry creek or whatever, but he's very good place to go looking. He was down there and he just happened to notice there were two of them together further up the hill, duck down behind a big briar bush watching him. So when you see that, you know, he just kind of pretended like he didn't see him and and decided it was a better time, you know, if they were going to be there, he'd believe I had another guy. I told him to go out to the barn to get something, and he went out there to get something and discovered that he wasn't alone. I don't know how good of a look he got at it, but there had been one. I don't know if it was sleeping back there or what, but it was in the barn and it rushed out, and he said he

44:29 came back to the house, he pretty rattled. It was probably about three years three years or so ago, and I mean he was pretty pale, visibly shaken. Could that things got to be at least a thousand pounds. And he's never been back. And anyway, you know, there's been about a year ago. The guy had cut them on went back to the barn because he had a flat tire on his trailer that he had his lawnmowers on, and he was wanting to change his tire and he was having trouble, and he was going to look for a piece of pipe in the bar and to use his cheeterbar bust loose of the lugnuts like a pull the wheel off. And he went back there and he said something coming on and out of there. He didn't really get a good look at it, but he said he felt the ground shake from the footsteps of it went out of there, moving really fast, and he's never been back here. And he's a big so called patchkn biker. Dudes. Well, you don't think it anymore. And he discovered that I wasn't just making up stories.

45:55 Absolutely go ahead, it's it's very interesting. So you have at least two different times where they have pretty much chased people away from the area of the bar, and it sounds. Like they didn't really chease them away. They just got foot, you know, they went the people went back there and a big foot flushed out of the barn. You know. One time I got to post out there that I put in the ground where I was going to put a gate and put up a fence. Anyhow, it's just a post there. I ended up taking like some aluminum and coming down with two rows of the aluminum and going around the post by the top, kind of like a predator guard, because you know, they can't really get a lot of grip on aluminum with their toenails, and that way, if I put something on post that it'd go to who I wanted it to, would not just get gotten by you know, possums or raccoons or something. Anyhow, I had I had this, well, this post could be visible from my porch or well, I guess you'd call it my back deck. It's not very big. It's about ten by tennants where a lot of my stuff that I've done took place. Anyhow, I had. I used to give them stuff in a red Folger's cam because that

47:28 way you could put it on top of that post, and you know, then I'd then I called to him and bang on the barn, you know, kind of like ringing the dinner bell, because Barnes has ten siding on it, so you know, nose carry is pretty good in the forest. So they'd come and they'd take it. And I've observed them before, like, for instance, one time and there was a guy standing there with me and I'd had it. Probably takes me a while to figure out exactly which night I recorded it on to try and find it, But we observed were first there was a female and I would imagine her child, and then they were joined by a second female and I didn't see her having a child, and they took the coffee can down, they set it on the ground and they just shared, you know what, something like you and they they're greedy. One of them wanted to just grabbed it and run off with it. My the heck with the rest of you.

48:41 I got the goodies, you know. But it wasn't like that. So I kind of in some ways let me figure out how more about their behavior and how they just share everything. We kind of expect us to live by the same standards that they do, even though we don't. If that makes any sense to. You, absolutely, so it sounds like you're observing some situations where there's definite intelligence involved. Well, they're highly intelligent. If they were stupid, they'd becaught, wouldn't they true? How many have we caught? You know?

49:30 I think the military's probably snatched if you wanted to make a super soldier like the Russians tried to do with apes, but it didn't work. Well, recently, I've come to a conclusion that you know, a lot of people are going to say, oh, that's just kind of crazy. Well, I don't think so. When you look back on those clay tablets that they found with the cuneiform over there in Iraq, they tell about the Hanunaki and stuff. Well, if you get into the actual story of Hanunaki, they came here apparently to mind gold to somehow make a repair to their atmosphere on their planet. Okay, that's the story we all know. But it also says that when they came here there were about three hundred Anaki, and I'm assuming a few royals which would have been Yanky, and then will the brothers, and then you know, I don't know how many others that were royals. But it says that they brought with them the Igigi that were

51:00 a race designed to do the labor, so basically they were slaves. And it also says that when they when iron Aki left our planet, that they took some of the IgG with them. Okay, so what became of the ones that were left behind. I believe that that's what we call bigfoot. I believe that they were the corners slaves of Loni Naki because if you look at a lot of it fits an Anaki. The nails were said to be between you know, twelve to fifteen feet tall. Okay, an adult male bigfoot? How tall are they? Twelve foote Lonachi were said to have a cone shaped head. A lot of people describe bigfoots as having somewhat cone shaped head.

52:05 If you're going to want to mind gold, it would be good to have somebody who's strong, and it would also be good to have someone that can see extremely well in the dark, unlike any the other higher primates big pits the only one season dark as good as we've seen in the day, you're super strong. That would be useful in the worker. They do have some telepathic abilities, and I think that would be extremely useful in when you get directions on tests to do to better comprehend what you're supposed to do, and you know, just different things.

52:49 I mean, it all fits really, you know, if you don't think that they are, well, I don't change my mind, right, I. Mean, it's it's an extremely interesting viewpoint, for sure. I think there's enough stuff that fits where it could. Certainly, you know, I lean pretty strong and that it's that that's what's going on, and that's where the origins are because in the story it talks about how that Donanaki were overworking the egg and they rebelled because they're being worked so hard, and Donanaki ended up giving them their freedom approximately you know, a little over two hundred thousand years ago, and that's where we came on the scene.

53:53 M So, in my opinion, the people that doing all this DNA they're looking at it wrong. They're looking at it through the wrong end of the scope. They're trying to think that these bigfoot creatures are some type of human hybrid. I don't believe that at all. I believe they're an older species. Therefore they could not be a human hybrid. However, it does not mean that we do not share a common source of DNA. I think when Nicky came here, they upgraded a lower primate from their world, modified them to suit their purposes, and then when they came here and they decided to give the gg their freedom, I think they took something that was already here and use their DNA to upgrade it, and what the scientists are referring to as human DNA, I believe comes from a source of Annunaki, and I believe on Anaki most likely created us, and we were created to take over as being the slaves. But instead of calling my slaves, well, they call themselves gods. And if they kind of build

55:27 into the DNA worship been, then you work for free to please your gods. So some of that all kind of went on. And I think there's a lot of our past history that's just plan missing. Oh, I agree with you. I mean sure, Library of Alexandria being burned. I mean that alone. Think of how much history was lost. It's it's incredible to think about. You have You've mentioned a few times about telepathy. Is that anything that you have experienced yourself, or any type of communication back and forth you think?

56:11 I believe I had a female come to me a couple of times in my dreams, and a lot of times it was in a as an observer where be you know, like a girl, but she was real like an odd odd ball, you know, I didn't know, didn't have the correct mannerisms, and it was just kind of like somebody totally out of place. But the one time, I said, you know, it pleases me when you guys are here. You know, if you want to use my bar and to get out of the weather, I don't care. Fine, I'm okay with it. And you know, when I told him that I would kill my own kind to check them, they didn't like that. They didn't like that at all, And that was probably, you know, when I said that there, I think that was the last time they come to me in my dreams. But my sense was it was a young female. But I'm a little bit of an mpass, so maybe it makes it easier for it to happen.

57:27 I mean, I've actually, in my sleep been able to get into other people's dreams before. And the next day you tell them about their dream and they're like, how could you possibly know that? It's like, oh, I was kind of in the same dream. So just and I've had a lot of weird stuff happened over the years, Like when I was nineteen, I lived in a haunted house. I didn't see anything, but you'd hear voices a lot voices like someone in the next room having a conversation, where you hear that there's people talking, but you can't make out the conversation. I wasn't the only one you'd heard that nod at house and a lot of other people.

58:23 And one time when I was living at the same house, you know, like I said, I was like nineteen, and it was after the bars closed and my friend was dropping me off and you're kind of standing in the parking lot visiting a little bit. All of a sudden he goes, look, look, look, look. Look. When I looked up and we saw something that appeared round, metallic, didn't have any lights, didn't make any sound, fly over the city, kind of above our heads. We only seen it for about three seconds. But I don't know what it was. I would call that out a UFO. I mean, it wasn't like something that come down to the ground or anything like that, but just seeing that passing by, So I don't know. I'm just seem to find myself in the right place at the right time.

59:19 Sometimes, Dave, you really have had a fascinating life in that area so far, and it sounds like it's it's not really not really stopping anytime soon, I would say, but I just want to say thank you for sharing what you've encountered. It's gonna it's probably gonna increase because I plan on purchasing a sawmill and I'm going to get into, you know, cutting and selling a little bit of lumber and doing some firewood. Because at my age, I'm fifty nine years old with one way, who the hell's going to hire me?

1:00:03 So you got to make your own jobs. So if I'm going to be running chainsaw a lot and whatnot, I'm sure I'm going to be getting observed quite a bit. Now I've gotten pictures of them. I've only got two pictures, and they're not very good. I didn't know they were there at the time. It's just you know, later you go through a review and your pictures that you took on your phone on your computer, and you know, these newer phones don't agree with me. So I just got an old flip phone and it's got you know, two inch square screen. So if you get a picture of something, yeah, you know, you got to put it on the computer so you can blow it up and look at it and see if there's anything there. And that's how I've ended up with some in a couple of pictures. And it was from when I was out, you know chainsaw.

1:01:00 People go, ah, why don't you mayor go pro and blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. I'm kind of the opinion, So if you don't like me doing things the way that I'm doing them, just go bother somebody else. I mean, I'm out in the woods cutting firewood. I'm not looking for bigfoot. And if I take a picture of something that I think is kind of neat or doesn't seem natural, I won't do that. Oh so I take a picture with my little foot phone and that's it is what it is. Had I know they were there at the time, While I probably would have tried to get closer and get a better picture, but I didn't.

1:01:43 When they when they seem you looking towards him, they just freeze. And you know how that is, like like you get a bunny rabbit, he'll freeze and you really don't notice him until he moves right. They're really good at that, and you'd be surprised that, you know how little you know vegetation and whatnot it takes for them to hide. It really doesn't take a whole lot because they're dark. They're a shadow. If people go, well, these pinctures. It's like, okay, let's see. Let's start out with you've got something that's black, active at night and hides in the shadows. Okay, let's see how good a picture you got.

1:02:34 Don't hear any pictures? I said, exactly, there you go, there you go. If you want to have something to do with bigfoot. I mean, one of the things I would recommend is when you go into the woods, announce yourself, you know, like do allowed you you know, like you'd do if you were walking into somebody's house and you wanted to see if they were home, right you who? It shows respect and that's the way I guess where you'd call it the beginning to having better encounters where if you were going into an area and they erect in a little bit hostile, but let them know that you're there. And if it's at night, why are you roaming around the woods in the dark at night? I mean, once your you got dogs and you're hunting raccoons. I mean that's one thing. But you know, if you want to go around and see what you can find when you're not going to find all the neat tree structures and different stuff like that, in the dark. You do that during the daytime and at night you make a camp, you have a little bit of a fire and you stay put. If they're around, they'll come to watch you, and you kind of go from there. And one thing

1:04:08 that I found where I really gained a lot of respect is by not showing fear because they have fun with us. Because let's face it, most humans are pretty spook really easy. Oh, you throw a rock the size of a fist and they think it's being thrown at him when it landed twenty feet away. No, they just do that to spook you so you'll go and not be in their territory. They're not trying to hurt you. They're not trying to harm you. They're just kind of saying, get the heck out of here. That's all that is.

1:04:49 I've had things thrown near me, not at me, never at me, but the guy who was living here a lot of times they'd pick him off with pebbles. Well, of course he'd do a big old twitch and freak out and whatnot. He was kind of a fat guy, and just watching to move around was kind of comical. And one night I don't know what he was doing, but he said he went down the road and one of them pitched a pebble and picked him off, and he went to move and fell down, and he said he heard one of them laughing at him, which I think is kind of funny.

1:05:34 That it really does make a difference. I think how you react to when you're experiencing things, for sure, there's many different ways to react to interactions. You know, my wife, we've only been married for come on pretty quick in four years. But she was I don't think she was here for two weeks and she had her first sighting and was gifted. She had gone walked over to the neighbors, and when she came back on the gravel road, there was a pile of golden berries, and she looked over to the woods and she saw what she described as a gray one with a baby old beard. She said she pretty much just seen his head and face, and then she said she kind of took like a submissive posture, and she picked up the handful of golden berries that were left for that were not there when she walked to the neighbors and brought them back home, and of course, once she got inside, she tossed them in the trash but you know golden berries.

1:06:49 Are I've never seen those. Well, most of the time there are those berries were, and they kind of almost have like a leaf sack around them. And when it gets into the fallen colder months, the green berry on the inside turns a yellow color and the outside, you know, it's almost like a leaf sack around it. And I'm sure you've seen those weeds before. Yeah all, ye, yeah, Now I know exactly what you're talking about. Yeah, yeah, wow.

1:07:33 But they're at a ball and they don't get ripe until you know, fall and stuff. And I think this was probably like in November when she was gifted the when they came into season. And I've also found evidence of the farming mushrooms turkey tail mushrooms. Across the road there's a property and there's a pond, and down near the pond is what you would describe as a TV structure with four uprights. The uprights are probably about twenty feet tall, wing into a cedar tree and I think it's actually juniper, and one of them was covered in turkey tail mushrooms. Now why I found that suspicious is because actually what was standing upright was only half of the tree that was there. It's like it was broken at about the middle and the part that was standing up was covered full of turkey tail mushrooms. Now, the log that was laying on the ground didn't have any.

1:08:46 Now that's not normal because it you know, if you get a tree and it's got mushrooms growing on it, it's usually growing on the entire tree, not just on the half that's sticking up in the other half got nothing. No, it's not normal. So to me, that would suggest that, you know, they rubbed spores on there, they get the mushrooms to grow there, So that would implicate farming to me. I don't know what's your opinion on, Man. You know that that has come up other times on the show as well. Down in Virginia, there's a there's a researcher that has been looking into to that, and I think there's definitely something something to that. For sure doesn't sound too wild to me, and I think there needs to be more looked into that by by researchers.

1:09:43 But you know, Dave, I think we might need to maybe have a follow up in a in a year see how things are going. But I do appreciate that, Yeah, Hit, no doubt time. All right, It's been fun chatting with you today, and we will definitely be in touch to see what happens with you in the future. Sir. Okay, sounds like planning. Hey bye, Hey, Ryan, how's it going, Hey, how are you great? Are Are you coming up to share a story you have tonight? Yes, sir. Back in Gosh, it's been probably four years, so I'd say twenty twenty one. I used to go almost every weekend to Shenandoah State Park in Virginia, up around Waynesboro or the Stanton area, and I happened to go up there one day by myself, probably about four or five o'clock.

1:10:38 I went to one of the trails that was one of the waterfalls that was only about a mile off of the main trailhead. Made it to the waterfall fine. I stayed a little bit longer than I should the son ended up going down. I lost the trail and was lost for about twelve hours. And over the course of the. Twelve hours, I had two sasquatch that I saw very blatantly in my field of vision, one state to my left, one state to my right. I felt as though there were more, but the only two I ever saw, because I didn't even have so much as a flashlight, because I didn't intend.

1:11:20 On being out there that late. The best I could describe it is, I felt like they were pushing me out of a certain area, and they never let me stray from a cert from a certain path because. I literally they literally had. Rescue drones and a helicopter patrol in the area trying to find me. Because I called my wife about seven o'clock and told her, Hey, my phone's fixing to die. I'm lost off the trail. You need to call. You need to call Parking Recreation right now. And yeah, the two that I saw were at least eight feet tall, if I had to judge based on how big some of those trees are. I never felt as though they were trying to be aggressive to me, but I definitely felt like I was in an area that they didn't want me in. And every time I'd try to stop, they would get closer and closer I'd see them, I'd see them moving in the tree line to my left, and and that carried on over the course of about twelve hours. I ended up not getting found till about five am, And needless to say, I've as much as I liked going out there, I've never gone back by myself.

1:12:37 And like I said, I used to go out there every single weekend to the Skyline Drive Blue Ridge Parkway area, and there's tons and tons of stories that you'll hear coming out of there, people that have stopped along the way at night taking pictures of the sunsets and hear the call, the whooping calls and all that stuff. But thus I can say that anybody is please don't be in that area after dark, especially unless you have somebody with you. Because the ones that I ran into, I definitely felt as though it was some type of territorial issue.

1:13:17 So I try and forewarn anybody of that area. And the funny thing is, whenever the rescuers finally found me, they honestly thought they were going to just be looking for a body at that point because I got lost probably about eight pm. My wife I said, my phone's fixed and die. You need to call the game Parts of Recreation right now. And they didn't find me till about five am, and one of the rescue guys I distinctly, I distinctly remember telling him there was something out here in these woods with me, and he just looked me in the face, didn't even bad an I and said, yeah, out here, And I just I felt baffled by the fact that there there's so many people that go to that area, and to let people go in there and not be warned, it just blows my mind.

1:14:15 Wow, what man? I am so just I'm baffled that you're alive after that too. That is intense. So this is Shannandoah National Park? He said, yes, sir, it's in Virginia. It's towards the Waynesboro area. You have an area called. Skyline Drive, which is along the Blue Ridge Parkway where you can it's basically for the cars, and it just goes all along the scenery of all the out the overlooks. And I'm not gonna give exact mile markers because I don't want people going out there's that area. But all I can do is give people warning that they're there, and you don't I want to be caught out in the dark. I don't know how I didn't fall off the edge of a cliff or something. And that's why I say you could look at you could look at it that they didn't want me in the area, or you could look at it that they were making sure I didn't die while I was out there until they came in there and found me.

1:15:19 Oh absolutely. And how close were they to you do you figure? Oh god, at one point, maybe twenty twenty five feet. Every time I'd try to stop and rest, they I'd see them from the I'd see one on my left and one on my right, and they just edged closer and closer towards me. Definitely had that really foul odor. But I just, I honestly never felt like they intended to hurt me. I honestly felt more like I was in the area that they didn't want me in. And that went on over the course of twelve hours. The only reason the rescue guy said I was even found was because he stopped the pee and I could see him boy off in the distance and was hollering. And the guy happened to stop and pee and thought that he heard somebody hollering, and they came in there and found me. So I don't know if I don't know if they were leading me towards where the rescuers were, But yeah, I've never gone back out there with myself.

1:16:32 I put it that way. Yeah, I don't blame you. It almost sounds like they may have been doing that, were you able to see any details about the space of either of them or any how they looked in general. I didn't have flashlights or anything. Luckily that night was pretty much a full moon, no cloud cover, so you had a lot of white lights shining down and both of them were at least eight feet tall, very long hair. Their faces looked more like. An old Indian really, and then just tons and tons of hair matted all down around their face. I would have thought it was a per I would have thought it was a person had it not been for the sheer size that they were.

1:17:25 Okay, so you were getting more like this is some kind of human than some kind of ape. Yeah, but besides the fact that they were over eight eight feet tall. Yeah, I got to have a pretty good look at them, and I wouldn't want to do it again. Everybody thinks that you want to have this close encounter, and I can tell you from experience, to have them that close and the fear that you have, I wouldn't wish it on anybody. I have nightmares to this. I've never gone back out there by myself. It's not what everybody makes it out that, oh, it's just some great experience to get to see these things.

1:18:10 It's not. It's really not, absolutely and. You get that from I've talked to other people in a person and it really does affect you it incredibly. Does Do you remember anything about what this smell was like that you were. It? Honestly, if you've ever been around an area where you smell something dead in the woods, that's about the closest that I could describe. It almost smelled like they were bathed in.

1:18:51 Something that it just died. It was a very overwhelming smell. That's an incredible amount of time to have them so close to you and walking along with you in a way. Were they making any sounds during that time? They seemed to make some. Best I could describe it as some clicking and chattering sounds. I could It was almost like it was almost like the one was speaking to the other and that kind of went on back and forth. They never did any extremely aggressive sounds, but it was more like a clicking and clacking sound that they were doing with their teeth.

1:19:38 And whenever they would do it, one one would move or motion in closer towards me. And when the other one would communicate back than the one on my right would move a little bit further, and they they never got any closer than about twenty or twenty five feet. They stayed out of that just they stayed right there close to me, but they never got closer than about twenty or twenty five feet. But twenty or twenty five feet is pretty close when. It's something that's got that much size at vantage arms. Were they doing anything with their hands, like any gestures or sign language or anything.

1:20:21 Like that, No, sir, Yeah, it was mostly it was mostly just these little clicking noises that they seem to be doing with their teeth with each other. That is extremely interesting. That has come up in one or two stories that I've taken where it was like a clicking type noise of the teeth. So that is pretty cool to hear. Wow, thank you so much for coming up and for Sharon. I'm glad that you were able to get through that that crazy twelve hour time period and that Search and Rescue was able to find you. Is this a conversation I could put on my big foot podcasts.

1:21:03 That I have, Yes, sir, that's fine, all right. I thank you so much for coming up. I am going to go ahead and follow you just in case I have any other follow up questions, if that's all right. Yeah. And one of the one of the funniest things that I found with the whole situation. I don't know if I said it before, but one of the rescuers whatever I spoke to him. I asked him, point blake, there's stuff out here that shouldn't be because I didn't want to sound I didn't want to sound like a crazy person saying that. And the guy looked me right in the face and never bat it an I and said, yes, sir, there's lots of them out here. We see him all the time. And at that point I just felt baffled that they know that they're in that area and they're not forewarning campers and visitors and stuff. I'll never understand that aspect of it. I know that they don't want to put that out there and lose people come into the parks and all that.

1:22:03 Stuff, But if you know that they're in an. Area like that, and the guy never even batted an I, he didn't question what I said. I feel like they just have to do a better job with letting the public know what's going on. I would agree. I would say the truth needs to get out there and people need to realize what is actually going out there. So I'm totally on board with you, but it just a double check you are okay with this being put on the podcast. Yes, sir, people people need to know. I've tried to. I've tried to let as many people and friends and family know as possible. And because it's a scary thought to know that they're out there in the woods that close to where campers and hikers and people go each and every single day, that that area in Skyline Skyline Drive and going to those overlooks there, there's probably hundreds and hundreds of people that go through that area in the spring and summertime because there's all these hiking trails, there's waterfalls all along that route, there's all these overlooks that you can park your car and take pictures. And for the sheer amount of people that are going through there, the public should have some kind of warning.

1:23:24 I agree one hundred percent, Ryan, and feel free to reach out if you have anything else you need to talk to. But thank you so much for coming out man. Before we wrap this episode, I want to say something directly to a very specific group of listeners. If you're in the military, any branch or forces, and if you've seen something that no one can explain, or if you're a National park ranger or forestry worker who's been told to stay quiet. If you're a pilot who's seen something strange down on the ground, or if you're with the FBI a federal agency, or working in tel diligence and you've stumbled upon something you're not allowed to talk about. And if you're a firefighter, paramedic, or search and rescue responder who's heard screams or found tracks that didn't make sense.

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