Aug. 20, 2024

What I Experienced In Oakridge, Oregon: A Conversation with Henry Franzoni

This is a conversation with Henry Franzoni about what I experienced during my time in Oakridge for Sasquatch Summer Fest. Many events are discussed that pushed me far, far into the group that believe Sasquatch is real without a doubt.

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Season 1

This is a conversation with Henry Franzoni about what I experienced during my time in Oakridge for Sasquatch Summer Fest. Many events are discussed that pushed me far, far into the group that believe Sasquatch is real without a doubt.

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slash the Big for Society and now let's get on

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with the show. The following episode is myself talking to

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Henry Franzoni, who's been on the podcast multiple times, and

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it's a record of what happens to myself out in

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the Oakridge area during Sasquatch Summerfest. There will be many

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episodes to come that will be interviews with people I'm

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met the booth about their experiences, so stay tuned for that.

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This is just the first of many Oakridge themed episodes.

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As always, thank you for listening. Let's get on with

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the show. All right, Dick fon Society, We're going to

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spend some time chatting about what happened in Oregon in Oakridge,

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and I've got a good friend, Henry Franzoni along for

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the ride to be kind of a sounding for.

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You.

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Made note Henry from previous episodes. I've talked to him

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a few times and they've been extremely enjoyable. He's also

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an author of such books such as In the Spirit

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of Siatco Indians, Geography and Science in the nineteenth Century,

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which is an amazing book that goes over all the

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kind of Sasquatch related names in all of the states,

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which is very cool. It's a great reference and also

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failing in a cooler way why I never found Bigfoot,

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which if you like the first book, you want to

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get a lot deeper. That book gets extremely deep. So

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I'm a fan of both of those books that Henry

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has written. But it's a pleasure to have you here, Henry,

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and I'm excited just to kind of chat with you

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tonight about what happened.

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Hey, I'm really happy to be here. Yeah, I will

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hear your stories and we'll see what I how I

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react because I haven't heard your stories yet, so I

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don't know what happened to you in Oregon.

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That's that's true.

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I know you were down outside of Oakridge, Oregon, and

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that's one of my hot spots that I identified in my

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studies of Oregon. You know there's hot spots all over.

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You were definitely on top of one of them.

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Yeah, it's it's going to get interesting, Henry. So I

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haven't told you anything just because I think it'll be

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interesting to have it recorded, so to give you background

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of why I was out there to begin with. So

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about a year ago, I did an interview with a

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older gentleman named Ronnie Roseman who's from Oakridge, and him

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and his friend Dwayne had a really interesting experience where

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they had been tent camping in this meadow in an area.

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They were up there tent camping and pretty much Ronnie

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does a sound which I've heard in person, and it

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sounds like one of the more aggressive sounds from the

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Sierra Sounds. And about ten fifteen minutes later, all these

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creatures came rushing up the side of a mountain, and

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he says that it sounded like an agitated chimpanzee, a

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mad owl, a coyote, a raven, just all this stuff

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and pretty much they jump into the tent and for

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an hour and a half they are just bombarded by

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these animals rushing all around the tent, making crazy noises,

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almost rushing into the tent, and it's just a very

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intense time, right. So that's how this all kind of started.

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And then Ronnie's daughter started a festival, which this year

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was the first year, called Sasquatch Summerfest in Oakridge. So

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she invited me out to that. She said, Hey, if

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you can get out here, I've got a space for

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you in the Speaker's Airbnb and you can talk to people,

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and this is a great deal, right, So I had

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a booth out there. I thought I was just out

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there to talk to people from the town about their

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bigfoot encounters for the podcast, which you know, I was

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pretty sweet, right, And so I totally did that and

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I got some.

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Wild wild encounters.

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But what I didn't expect to happen, Henry, is that

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they actually took me out into the woods multiple times,

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just forest roads for a long, long trip. And I'd

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never been on a forest service road in the Pacific

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Northwest before, and it was like miles and miles and

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mile outside of Oakridge, and they took me up to

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this area. And when you go up to this area

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the day before a film crew actually when I got

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there the morning of the day I got there, the

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film crew there's a documentary film crew, Jason Kenzie's crew,

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and they had been up there and they had a

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visual of a big foot on the edge of the meadow,

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a smaller one jumping out of a tree, and they

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had some more visuals in another nearby area. So that's

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important to know that they go up there, and then

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I go up with them at night to kind of

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check it out, and nothing really really happened. It was

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an interesting area getting used to the Oregon woods. Never

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been out in there. But the next day Ronnie and

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Dwayne actually took me out for multiple hours to where

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they had had their encounter that meadow and other places

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where they've had two So we are in this area

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and Dwayne first says, Okay, so there's this area where

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the big sasquatch or the alpha sasquatch will run out

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of the woods, and I want to take you in

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there and show you round. And I was like, okay,

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so let's check it out. So we go in there

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and we're looking around and he notices there's like a

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tree which is about a foot and a half off

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the ground where it's been almost like gripped and twisted

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and broken.

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And then I looked around.

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There were like five or six of them in a

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kind of a circle, which was weird, right, And so

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we notice stuff like there's trees that are broken off

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eight foot up, twelve foot up, and just weirdly placed

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trees as well, and so there's that and we're like, okay,

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nothing happening there. So then we walk over to the

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meadow area and I walked through the meadow to where

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an individual had seen the big jumped down from a

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tree on the edge of the meadow and I see,

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I see there's a big footprint over there. So it's

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about about fifteen sixteen inches and I had toes.

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I checked that out.

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I'm like, oh, wow, that's that's pretty cool. So remember

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that for later. And then Ronnie and Dwayne they were like, hey,

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you know, check out where. So the day before the

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film crew had put an apple, an orange, and a

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banana in a tree and they're like, go check this out.

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So we're the first ones back. Let's check it out,

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see what's going on. So the apple was on the ground, uneaten,

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and the orange was on the ground uneaten, and the

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banana was on the ground and it had been peeled

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and eaten, and there was like a sixteen inch footprint

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right next to it, next to the tree.

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So like that was that was really weird, man.

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Yeah, that should give you some clues.

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That messed in my head for like two days. Henry

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and I was like, I was like, man, there's like

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something out here that has hands and that can peel stuff.

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And eat stuff.

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Dude.

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Yeah, it's like you got you got an actual, like

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experiential fact there where you go, wow, like something peeled

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this banana.

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It got really real for me, man. And so we

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were so that that happened. And then we were hanging

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out a little bit. And when Ronnie goes up there,

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he likes to play songs on his guitar and sing

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to him. That's how he has like a good experience

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with them in a relationship.

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So yeah, they seem to love music, you know, really,

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they're people that like music.

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So he played a song which was kind of like

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sixties type song, I won't you can imagine what the

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band name might be. I don't want to trigger any algorithms.

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But so there he was playing his song and like

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a minute into it, there was like this huge roar

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from the woods, and like I felt like all the

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blood rushed from my head down to my feet.

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And after it did that, like.

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I heard half the roar because it's like my ears

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stopped working, and I looked over at Dwayne and his

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face was all pale, and he was like freaking out.

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He's like, dude, it's it's happening again. And so we're like, oh, man,

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what is what is roaring at us from the woods.

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And then we're like, okay, we got to go and

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help get the festival kind of set up. But then

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Ronnie was like, let's let me play one more song

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for him, so we're like, man, okay, whatever. So he

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starts playing a song and then about a minute into

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the song again there's like another roar, but it transitions

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into a scream, and like, dude, that was just I've

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never experienced anything like that, man, and it was.

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It was really weird.

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Henry, you got a real taste of Bigfoot there. It

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didn't Yeah, I.

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Know, I did.

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I wasn't expecting to be put into a situation where

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it was very real and it was happening in front

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of me and not just I'm talking to people about

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it on the phone and recording it. But like I

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I absolutely experienced these things in real life. Now, it

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wasn't a visual, but like, yeah.

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Yeah, do you really need a visual at that point?

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Well, no, absolutely not, No, Henry, I am I am

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so far because of that, I'm I'm so far I

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mean down the road, I guess, as you alluded to

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in previous interviews. Because of that, I'm extremely far down

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the road.

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Yeah. Yeah, I think that a thing like that can

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really answer a lot of questions for you, and it

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gives rise to a lot more questions. You know. But

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one of the things that is cool about the whole

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Bigfoot thing is that what just happened to you, which is,

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you know, people don't know if it's real or not

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it's a hoax, and they go through all the same

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old stuff. But if you go out there and you

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have an experience like what you had, boy, the questions answered.

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You know something's out there, you're not sure exactly what

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it is or exactly you know what's going on, but

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you know there's something there, something bored at you and

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screamed and it had tremendous power. I'm sure like it

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gave you an impression of.

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Incredible power absolutely there.

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It was so far out in the woods on all

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these like switchback roads, and like, dude, there's no one

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else out there, and just to experience that, it was like, man,

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there's no question, and then there's there's other weird stuff, Henry.

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So it's like we went we went back out there

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on the Sunday after the festival. Is there is an

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individual that wanted to look at the tracks that's pretty.

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Well known in the community.

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He came with us and so we showed him the

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tracks on the edge of the meadow and he actually

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ended up finding more tracks in there. After that individual left,

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it was just me, Dwayne, Denise, which is Dane, Dwayne's daughter,

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and a few other individuals and the Denise is around

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my age. But the thing you need to know about

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Denise is that whenever she's there in that area, like

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activity seems to really pick up in a way that

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you hear this it's like a it's like half a

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bird call where it's like a single tone and it'll start,

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it'll start making the noise from the tree line, but

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then she responds to it, and so they were responding.

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They were communicating back and forth, and it was the

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craziest thing I've ever seen, Henry, Like, it got to

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the point where like you could tell whatever was making

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the sound was getting more excited, and it was like

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she would make the noise and then half a second later.

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It was like back and forth, back and forth, back

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and forth. And I just didn't know how to handle

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that either. And it was just like it was right

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there inside the tree line. It was a weird, weird thing, man.

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I don't know. That messed with me a lot too, could.

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You see, Well, the thing that kind of happens is

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that you can't really pinpoint where it's coming from, and

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a lot of times it seems to be coming from

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a place you can see plainly, but you don't see

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anything there, but the sound is coming from that empty place.

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I don't know if that happened to you, but that's

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the kind of thing I've noticed with some of the sounds.

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But that's interesting, that's interesting. You know, you, in my opinion,

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you had a genuine bigfoot experience. You fall into the

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realm of people that did not see a Bigfoot, But

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what happened to you certainly convinced you of the reality

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of Bigfoot beyond any doubt. It sounds like those people

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have some affinity. It sounds like Denise shares some kind

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of connection with them or friendship or something.

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Yes, there's a lot of weird stuff that happened too.

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There was at least one person that heard their name

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be called from the woods in that area one night.

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Yeah, well, they know who you are. You know, they're

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in my opinion and my humble opinion, they're people, and

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they're super scientists. Yeah, that's my opinion. You know, generally, generally,

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if you generalize about the people the big Foot people,

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you basically are talking about super scientists, and they're incredibly

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aware of what you are, what you think, who you are,

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and what's going on.

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Bigs a society will be right back after these messages, and.

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You don't have any idea that they have such an

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accurate picture of you. It's kind of like crows. I

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always compare it to crows because when humans look at crows,

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we can't tell them apart. They're all just the same

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old black crow. Hey, look another black crow. We don't know,

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but when they look at us, they see individual faces

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and they recognize all of us individually. And there's been

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a lot of research done at the University of Washington

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that's confirmed that crows identify individual humans, not only that

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they remember it for like seven years, not only that

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they can communicate who individuals are to their offspring. So

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if the crow identifies you as a bad dude, he

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can teach his kids about you the bad dude or

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a good person that teaches them, they can actually teach

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their children the same thing. So crows have this whole

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thing going on about human beings, and they have us

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figured out, and they know who the good ones and

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bad ones are. So stret's to imagine that, you know,

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an intelligent species would be the same way about us.

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And that's my opinion is that they have a really

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good idea about each and every one of us individuals,

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which is why you're seeing behavior change depending on who

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the individuals are that are with you, and you all

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kind of intuitively sense that because they do respond to

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specific individuals in specific weird ways. I mean, not that

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you could predict it, but I think you had a

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real taste of that just now.

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Well, the experience is talking about absolutely.

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And it was a thing where I'd heard people talk

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about this where if you are open to things, then

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maybe you will get more activity than a person who

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is not open to anything like that and just maybe

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looking for certain things. And I experienced that one hundred

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percent where when certain individuals were there that were only

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into certain evidence based things, stuff did not happen. But

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when they were not present, it was game on Henry

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and it was the weirdest thing I've ever experienced.

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Well, they got their preferences, don't they. It's the way

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they the way they want to do it, you know,

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that's kind of how it is. They want to they

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want to do it that way. They don't want to

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do it any other way. Yeah, they're I would say,

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that's really interesting that that happened to you, because yes,

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that in itself led me to go solo. For that

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was one of the factors where I for the last

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twenty two years, i'd only go out in the woods

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with specific individuals at specific once in a whild times,

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you know, like I just wasn't interested in going out

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in the woods with strangers. I'd only go out you know,

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with the individuals that I knew that they were kind

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of fond of. I got picky about that, and I

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don't know, you know, Oregon, It's cool. No, The thing

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is is that that's really a They are just people

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making a choice about who they want to who they like,

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and who they want to help out and who they

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don't want to help out, you know. I mean, that's

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what I think. There was.

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A really weird physical thing that happened that I do

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want to bring up the first night when I went

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out into the woods. When I got back, I noticed

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I had what seemed to be like two horst fly

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bites on my left leg and one on my right leg.

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And then I was there for a total of six

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to seven days. As the week progressed, it would my

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legs pretty much got worse and there was spread bruising.

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It started to get it. It just was not It

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definitely was not horsefly. But for some reason I was like, well,

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maybe they'll just magically get better. Right until the day

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before I flew back to Iowa. I was out interviewing

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a wilderness guy at his cabin for the podcast, and

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I was like, hey, can you have you ever seen

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horsefly bites like this, and he was like, man, that

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looks pretty bad. It could be staph infection. You need

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to get to urgent care if you can right now.

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So I dropped everything and I went to urgent care

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in Springfield, and the doctors that I talked to there,

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they were like, well, it's not staph infection, but we

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have no idea what happened to your legs. This makes

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no sense at all. They pretty much threw every blood

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test they could at me, and I ended up being

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put on really heavy antibiotics. I had a fever and

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by the time I got to the urgent care, thankfully,

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it started going away about like an hour or two

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after I started taking the medication. But they're like, it's

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weird because it looks like someone took someone took a

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big log and just beat your two legs and that

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was It's weird because I don't even remember getting bit

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and so that was really weird. There's some weird Native

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American legends in that area.

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Yeah, I'm familiar with at least a couple of them.

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Yeah, not any.

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Yeah, Wow, that's pretty unusual. Yeah, I don't know what

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to think about that, but wow, Indians might look at

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that as some kind of sign, you know. I mean,

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that might be a message from from someone about what

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you're doing. It could be hey, slow down message or

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stop or you know, I don't know, you know, I mean,

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you know, Indians might look at it a little superstitiously

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ish and say, hey, you know, maybe you should check

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what you're doing because maybe you're getting crosswise with mother Earth. Yeah,

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you wouldn't want to do that now. And that's the thing,

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is that this whole Sasquatch thing involves mother Earth, and

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you can you know you're getting crosswise with mother Earth

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if you're getting crosswise with the Sasquatch. In my opinion,

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that's kind of how I think it is. So I

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think they're husbands of mother Earth in essence, you know.

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But attitude is everything. Yeah, And what you alluded to

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before is really the reality, which is the attitude you

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have makes a lot of difference as to what happens.

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And me, I think that one should have an attitude

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of like tremendous respect because I think people don't really

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respect what they're seeing enough in general. But I don't

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know if respect is the only key. But I know

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that if you like you talk about openness. If you've

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got an attitude, a good attitude, and you're like a

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genuinely good soul, and you've got a really good attitude,

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and you were thinking, you're you know, being objective, you're

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trying to make things better. If you're that kind of person,

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an optimistic person, I think that increases the likelihood that

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you can have an encounter. And I only say that

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based on experience. That's just not something that I can,

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you know, point to an experiment and tell you a look,

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you know, this is the truth. But I have had

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a lot of experience, and when I did, it seemed

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to be connected that way to the respectfulness and the

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openness of my attitude. My attitude seemed to have an

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awful lot to do with it. But I think, you know,

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you just sort of learned, you're just sort of saw

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a lesson in that, and that things changed as you

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changed the composition of your group. And you know, not

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to say anything's wrong with anybody, but I think that

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you know, the big feat themselves have an opinion, and

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you just saw their opinion. You know, in real life,

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people don't give them credit for being people and thinking

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about what is going on. You know, but they do.

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In my opinion, they know they're like crows. They know

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us way better than we know them. We look at them,

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we go look, you know, we can't tell them apart,

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we don't know, but just go bigfoot, you know. But

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they look at us, and I think they go Jeremiah Byron.

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Let's check this podcast. I think they've got I think

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they know the whole picture. Man. That might be a

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little crazy to know most, but.

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That's what I don't think. So and you'll see why

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in a minute. I don't know how much of this

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is going to be left in an episode. I'm just

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going to tell you everything.

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I have no idea.

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Hey, get the editor out.

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Ye yeah.

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I'm just going to show why we need the editors,

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yeahed editors.

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For times like this.

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So I was leaving to go back to Iowa Tuesday.

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Monday.

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I got back to Oakridge from urgent Care, and I

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was like, you know what, I'm not doing interviews. I'm

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just gonna I'm just gonna drive around and just kind

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of chill out and have a good have a good night,

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get something to eat, check out some areas I had

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heard about, just kind of chill out and maybe just

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enjoy myself for a night.

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Right.

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So I talked to an individual. His name is Bill.

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His name is Bill Morris from Oregon, and he's a

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great guy.

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He had told me.

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He was like, he's like Jeremiah, if you want, if

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you want to see them, just say in your mind

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that I'm not afraid and I am ready for you

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to show yourself to me. It was a statement something

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to that effect, right, So, as I was driving around,

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I had been repeating that in my mind, and I

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was driving down by a reservoir that was south of

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the town. And as I finished saying that statement my mind,

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I drove by a pine tree that was covered with

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vines and so it's all green, and I saw for

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a split second what looked like to be like the

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outline silhouette of a sasquash. It was about eight to

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nine feet tall, but then it disappeared completely.

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Into the tree.

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So I'm not sure what to think of that either.

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That's just that's just a really unique thing. I'm not

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sure if you know, my logic side, my logic side

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is fighting against my like bigfoot side, where my logic

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side is like, yeah, that's probably your fever, right.

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But.

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My big foot side is like, there's something else going

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on here.

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I don't know.

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Yeah, well that guy gave us some good advice, I think,

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you know, or at least it. Yeah, I myself was

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very very fright and tried to tamp down my fear

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from the very first moment I had an encounter, And

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for years and decades, I kept talking to myself about, hey,

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calm down, don't be afraid of them, don't be afraid.

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You know.

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Then one day I got to a place where I

459
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wasn't and you know, I'm in that place today where

460
00:28:35.559 --> 00:28:40.119
I'm I don't even think about them as them anymore.

461
00:28:41.200 --> 00:28:47.759
But yeah, it's a it's an interesting proposition what happens there. So, yeah,

462
00:28:47.799 --> 00:28:52.920
you had some very strange things. Yes, yes, indeed. Well

463
00:28:52.960 --> 00:28:58.480
they're talking to you, sir. They've taken note that you

464
00:28:59.559 --> 00:29:04.440
are a that's interested in them, and they're starting a

465
00:29:04.599 --> 00:29:10.240
long curriculum that you will probably stick around for, I

466
00:29:10.240 --> 00:29:13.160
would think, because I think that's what you're going to

467
00:29:13.200 --> 00:29:18.279
get now, is they'll keep feeding you little tidbits of

468
00:29:18.359 --> 00:29:21.400
information no matter where you are. You can be in Iowa,

469
00:29:21.599 --> 00:29:27.000
you can be anywhere, Manna. They're gonna be tweaking your attention.

470
00:29:27.279 --> 00:29:31.759
Once they get your attention like that, they can kind

471
00:29:31.759 --> 00:29:34.160
of like stick with it for a while. At least

472
00:29:34.200 --> 00:29:37.599
that's what happened to me. Once I really went down

473
00:29:37.640 --> 00:29:40.720
the rabbit hole like you from like the reel or

474
00:29:40.799 --> 00:29:43.680
something real out here in the woods. You know, boy,

475
00:29:44.119 --> 00:29:48.000
you know that actually triggered like a lifetime of weird stuff.

476
00:29:48.319 --> 00:29:50.960
So maybe the same as in store for you, sir.

477
00:29:52.519 --> 00:29:54.880
We're getting there. There's one more thing that I need

478
00:29:54.880 --> 00:29:58.200
to share with you that happen on Sunday afternoon. There

479
00:29:58.319 --> 00:30:01.000
was a time so we would have we would sit

480
00:30:01.000 --> 00:30:05.279
in eyelon chairs across the service road and face the

481
00:30:05.279 --> 00:30:08.559
the meadow, and there was one point when we were

482
00:30:08.599 --> 00:30:11.200
just sitting there watching the meadow to see if anything

483
00:30:11.240 --> 00:30:14.359
would happen. I think this was I can't remember if

484
00:30:14.359 --> 00:30:17.400
it was before or after the mimic bird noises, but

485
00:30:18.119 --> 00:30:23.039
I remember I was staring into the tree line that's

486
00:30:23.480 --> 00:30:26.000
on the other side of the meadow, and it was

487
00:30:26.319 --> 00:30:31.400
it felt like I couldn't move, and I was just

488
00:30:31.640 --> 00:30:34.240
I was staring into the trees and I was just

489
00:30:34.400 --> 00:30:37.839
not able to move or almost felt like I could

490
00:30:37.880 --> 00:30:40.720
breathe for like five minutes, and I just it felt

491
00:30:40.720 --> 00:30:43.559
like I was paralyzed and then all of a sudden

492
00:30:43.759 --> 00:30:47.160
it just was like boom, then I could move around again.

493
00:30:47.240 --> 00:30:48.599
It was really really weird.

494
00:30:49.319 --> 00:30:54.079
They can't do that, not sure, Yeah, in my opinion,

495
00:30:54.319 --> 00:30:57.599
you know, like science as we know it today may

496
00:30:57.680 --> 00:31:01.519
have a tough time explaining that. But they can do that.

497
00:31:01.759 --> 00:31:08.599
They can they can control the autonomic nervous system of

498
00:31:09.039 --> 00:31:15.279
other species, including you. They can actually control your body

499
00:31:15.400 --> 00:31:18.559
like a puppet and march you off a cliff if

500
00:31:18.599 --> 00:31:23.039
they don't like you. Now, they tend not to do

501
00:31:23.119 --> 00:31:25.759
that to people like you that they but you know,

502
00:31:27.119 --> 00:31:34.000
freezing I maybe you know, well, let me just step

503
00:31:34.039 --> 00:31:39.279
aside for a second. So the thing about me is that,

504
00:31:40.799 --> 00:31:48.640
like many people today, I had a whole bunch of money,

505
00:31:48.720 --> 00:31:50.839
and I spent a whole bunch of money sending a

506
00:31:50.839 --> 00:31:54.039
team around to investigate four hundred and eighty five sighting

507
00:31:54.119 --> 00:31:58.640
reports in Oregon and Washington over a five year period.

508
00:31:59.519 --> 00:32:02.279
Takes side who will be right back after these messages?

509
00:32:18.359 --> 00:32:22.880
And I collected all the data of all these different weird, weird,

510
00:32:23.079 --> 00:32:29.079
weird weird stories, and then I sat around and you know,

511
00:32:29.440 --> 00:32:34.079
sifted through them and looked for like everybody commonalities and

512
00:32:34.200 --> 00:32:38.759
things like that, And what you're describing is one of

513
00:32:38.799 --> 00:32:43.599
those commonalities. They're getting frozen and getting paralyzed. That happens

514
00:32:43.640 --> 00:32:47.000
all over Oregon in Washington, and it has for hundreds

515
00:32:47.039 --> 00:32:50.960
of years. And I've found even old Indian stories that

516
00:32:51.079 --> 00:32:55.440
tell the same thing. In the Indian story they talk

517
00:32:55.519 --> 00:32:59.680
about how the power of seatco was in the eyes

518
00:33:00.799 --> 00:33:03.079
and when they look at you, they can actually just

519
00:33:03.200 --> 00:33:09.039
freeze you. And I know from a lot of discussions

520
00:33:09.079 --> 00:33:13.240
with the elders of the local tribes that yeah, they

521
00:33:13.240 --> 00:33:19.640
can control They can control an animal, including you. They

522
00:33:19.640 --> 00:33:24.480
can actually like run you like a puppet, and they

523
00:33:24.480 --> 00:33:27.759
can do it to every other animal. But what you

524
00:33:27.839 --> 00:33:31.960
were describing earlier, I think is a different phenomenon, which

525
00:33:32.039 --> 00:33:37.119
is that they can imitate all the different animals, and

526
00:33:37.200 --> 00:33:41.960
they do a really good job imitating all the different animals,

527
00:33:42.400 --> 00:33:50.200
except the volume is off. They're too loud. So I've

528
00:33:50.240 --> 00:33:56.119
been out camping and I heard a huge amount of

529
00:33:56.200 --> 00:33:59.559
crows come and land around me. It sounded like a

530
00:33:59.680 --> 00:34:03.359
hundred crows, like an entire flock of crows landed right

531
00:34:03.400 --> 00:34:07.519
where I was sitting, But there was nothing there at all.

532
00:34:07.799 --> 00:34:11.719
There was nothing visible, and the crows when they came

533
00:34:11.760 --> 00:34:15.639
in were way too loud, and so even though I

534
00:34:15.679 --> 00:34:18.760
never saw a thing, I was like, well, this is

535
00:34:18.800 --> 00:34:21.280
a bigfoot, you know, that's what's going on here. This

536
00:34:21.440 --> 00:34:26.199
is bigfoot for sure. So I make a leap of

537
00:34:26.280 --> 00:34:31.119
faith when stuff like what happens, what happened to you?

538
00:34:31.239 --> 00:34:34.800
I kind of immediately jumped to that's bigfoot when you

539
00:34:34.880 --> 00:34:37.079
talk about oh man, you know we were in the

540
00:34:37.159 --> 00:34:40.239
tent and these things were all all these different animals

541
00:34:40.280 --> 00:34:45.239
around the tent. You had real, genuine Bigfoot experiences, so

542
00:34:45.360 --> 00:34:48.159
you know it's there's something real out there now. You

543
00:34:48.239 --> 00:34:48.599
know it?

544
00:34:49.360 --> 00:34:52.079
Oh absolutely, you know, you know it real.

545
00:34:52.199 --> 00:34:56.400
Whatever the heck it is. You know, it's a big

546
00:34:56.480 --> 00:35:00.599
step forward. I remember when it happened to me. Yeah,

547
00:35:00.719 --> 00:35:03.280
you know, you get offline, That's what it's all about.

548
00:35:03.400 --> 00:35:06.039
It's like, well, I'm online, I'm online talking about things.

549
00:35:06.239 --> 00:35:07.800
But then you get offline and all of a sudden,

550
00:35:07.920 --> 00:35:10.519
like whh man, it's real.

551
00:35:10.920 --> 00:35:14.000
That's what happened to me in Oregon.

552
00:35:14.199 --> 00:35:17.000
It I felt like coming back, I felt like I

553
00:35:17.039 --> 00:35:19.119
was a different person than when I went out there.

554
00:35:19.320 --> 00:35:24.039
It's you were you you now know you know, you

555
00:35:24.079 --> 00:35:27.320
know you've been exposed now now you're like, oh man,

556
00:35:27.480 --> 00:35:32.360
this is in a way it can really get your

557
00:35:32.360 --> 00:35:36.719
attention now because you're like, holy beans, this thing is right.

558
00:35:36.840 --> 00:35:37.440
What is this?

559
00:35:38.559 --> 00:35:42.400
When you were in Oakridge area over the years, did

560
00:35:42.440 --> 00:35:45.039
you ever go up into the woods around Oakridge and

561
00:35:45.159 --> 00:35:46.159
have things.

562
00:35:45.880 --> 00:35:46.440
Happen to you?

563
00:35:49.360 --> 00:35:55.719
You know? Yeah, everything changed for me at some point.

564
00:35:55.840 --> 00:36:01.119
I I've had different breakthroughs with my whole bigfoot thing,

565
00:36:01.440 --> 00:36:05.840
you know, and the last breakthrough I left, well, let's

566
00:36:05.840 --> 00:36:08.079
just say it took me to a whole other place.

567
00:36:08.840 --> 00:36:12.159
But the thing that I like, what I did in

568
00:36:12.199 --> 00:36:18.039
that area was I had a connection, which was a

569
00:36:18.079 --> 00:36:26.719
woman who you see, it's back up the Holt family

570
00:36:27.559 --> 00:36:33.239
and Eugene built the Holt Center, this cultural arts center,

571
00:36:33.519 --> 00:36:38.920
and they're the big old logging family that has donated

572
00:36:39.000 --> 00:36:43.360
all kinds of public service buildings all throughout Eugene, and

573
00:36:44.480 --> 00:36:50.920
you know, they're like the big local royalty. And I

574
00:36:51.039 --> 00:36:56.599
was friends with the granddaughter and she would let me

575
00:36:56.840 --> 00:37:02.480
stay in her cabin on Odell Lake, which is just

576
00:37:03.639 --> 00:37:07.119
further up fifty eight in the cascades from Oakridge, you

577
00:37:07.159 --> 00:37:09.480
know what I mean, Like you just keep going higher

578
00:37:10.320 --> 00:37:14.320
up to the crest of the cascades, and so I

579
00:37:14.360 --> 00:37:18.400
would hang out in this cabin that actually was originally

580
00:37:19.320 --> 00:37:26.239
Alexander Graham Bell the Third's sports cabin, and it's right

581
00:37:26.440 --> 00:37:32.039
in this completely uninhabited corner of Odell Lake, which is

582
00:37:32.079 --> 00:37:35.599
a huge lake, and i'd be on the west end,

583
00:37:35.840 --> 00:37:40.440
right by Oakridge in this cabin. And so i'd go

584
00:37:40.559 --> 00:37:43.519
up there with my wife and hang out, and you know,

585
00:37:43.599 --> 00:37:46.519
i'd have experiences up there. But I kind of like

586
00:37:48.679 --> 00:37:51.800
I'm one of those people that the experience has just

587
00:37:51.920 --> 00:37:58.320
follow me around and wherever I go, So do they?

588
00:37:58.840 --> 00:38:02.880
You know, It's like I understand that's how it is

589
00:38:02.960 --> 00:38:05.480
now for me. It used to not be like that, right,

590
00:38:05.599 --> 00:38:08.679
I Mean there was a time where I didn't know

591
00:38:08.760 --> 00:38:11.920
that I like was one of those people that you know,

592
00:38:12.119 --> 00:38:18.679
just carried them around. But or whatever, I'm somehow deeply

593
00:38:18.760 --> 00:38:26.039
connected to the people before the ancestor and be sure,

594
00:38:26.800 --> 00:38:30.960
so yeah, I'm really I really love that area. But

595
00:38:31.000 --> 00:38:32.960
the other thing I have to say about that area

596
00:38:34.079 --> 00:38:38.400
is when you look at it from the perspective of

597
00:38:38.599 --> 00:38:43.360
place names, it's got all kinds of stuff like wind

598
00:38:43.360 --> 00:38:49.599
Digo Butte and the Siaco and you know, there's different

599
00:38:49.679 --> 00:38:53.840
spirit this and spirit that's and there's all kinds of

600
00:38:53.880 --> 00:38:59.840
bigfoot place names from the Indians, all up Highway fifty eight,

601
00:39:00.320 --> 00:39:03.840
all over the Cascades. When you go up to Diamond

602
00:39:03.960 --> 00:39:08.159
Lake and you go south, you know, there's some fantastic

603
00:39:08.280 --> 00:39:16.599
lakes on the crest of the Cascades right by Oakridge.

604
00:39:16.880 --> 00:39:19.920
Diamond Lake and Odell Lake come to mind, and they're

605
00:39:19.960 --> 00:39:24.880
both heavy duty bigfoot spots, you know. I mean, well

606
00:39:24.880 --> 00:39:31.800
that whole area is that's the thing is. After a lifetime,

607
00:39:31.880 --> 00:39:37.760
I mean, I'm kind of like, well, you get to

608
00:39:37.800 --> 00:39:41.760
a point where you have looked at so many bigfoot

609
00:39:41.840 --> 00:39:47.960
sightings that you become convinced that they're random, and you go, wow,

610
00:39:48.039 --> 00:39:52.440
you know this is actually they're random because you can't

611
00:39:52.480 --> 00:39:55.159
actually tell if they're going to be in the city

612
00:39:55.320 --> 00:39:58.679
or in the country. I mean, granted, most of them

613
00:39:58.719 --> 00:40:02.920
are out in the places, the hotspots that we find

614
00:40:03.039 --> 00:40:10.679
like Oakridge and stuff. There's always hotspots, but there's also

615
00:40:10.800 --> 00:40:13.760
so many weird sightings like right on the edge of

616
00:40:13.880 --> 00:40:17.320
town or in town, or you know, you get to

617
00:40:17.400 --> 00:40:20.159
a point where you're like, wow, actually I have no

618
00:40:20.480 --> 00:40:25.960
idea at all where they are or where they'll appear next.

619
00:40:27.079 --> 00:40:30.199
You know, you get you set your stakes wider and

620
00:40:30.280 --> 00:40:35.320
wider to try to include all the outliers. And so

621
00:40:35.480 --> 00:40:40.320
I've definitely, you know, done that. I started right at

622
00:40:40.360 --> 00:40:43.639
the little oak Ridge area right outside of Oakridge, and

623
00:40:43.679 --> 00:40:48.320
I focused on that, and then as I kept going around,

624
00:40:48.639 --> 00:40:53.639
Wampas Butte is right there. I mean, it's like a

625
00:40:53.719 --> 00:40:57.960
desaurus for Indian place names for bigfoot all through that

626
00:40:58.239 --> 00:40:59.079
entire area.

627
00:41:00.480 --> 00:41:03.880
Oh absolutely, there's one place that.

628
00:41:04.400 --> 00:41:07.000
So I had a booth there and I had maps

629
00:41:07.000 --> 00:41:09.119
of the area spread out and people would come over

630
00:41:09.199 --> 00:41:13.400
and mark where they had experienced stuff or had sightings

631
00:41:13.480 --> 00:41:16.880
or heard whoops or howls, and it was very cool.

632
00:41:16.920 --> 00:41:20.800
I got about probably like thirty reports that had never

633
00:41:20.880 --> 00:41:25.960
been These were loggers and construction workers and blue collar workers.

634
00:41:25.800 --> 00:41:27.000
People that wouldn't do it.

635
00:41:27.880 --> 00:41:30.519
They had never talked to the BFRORO or anything. And

636
00:41:30.559 --> 00:41:33.239
this was all brand new stuff that I had captured.

637
00:41:33.280 --> 00:41:37.320
It was really really amazing. One area that kept coming up,

638
00:41:37.360 --> 00:41:39.800
and this area has come up before I got to

639
00:41:39.800 --> 00:41:43.679
Oakridge too, is people have been chased out of a

640
00:41:43.760 --> 00:41:48.440
place called Spirit Lake multiple times, had weird encounters out there.

641
00:41:49.039 --> 00:41:53.320
But a few hunters told me about how they had

642
00:41:53.360 --> 00:41:56.320
been to this place called Spirit Lake, which is out

643
00:41:56.320 --> 00:42:01.639
by Waldo Waldo Wilderness and they said that at dusk

644
00:42:01.840 --> 00:42:05.000
or when it gets dark, all the wood will float

645
00:42:05.079 --> 00:42:07.719
to the middle of the lake and then it will

646
00:42:07.760 --> 00:42:11.000
form a circle and start rotating around in a circle.

647
00:42:11.760 --> 00:42:15.880
And at that point I was like, Man, I don't

648
00:42:15.920 --> 00:42:17.920
know what is going on out here, but this is

649
00:42:18.679 --> 00:42:22.480
this is something something else and something special is happening

650
00:42:22.559 --> 00:42:25.880
out here. It is just it just blew my mind.

651
00:42:28.239 --> 00:42:28.519
Wow.

652
00:42:28.679 --> 00:42:32.639
Well, Spirit Lake, I mean every place I know of

653
00:42:32.800 --> 00:42:37.280
that name Spirit Mountain or Spirit Lake is you know,

654
00:42:37.599 --> 00:42:42.880
a heavy hot spot. It sounds to me like what

655
00:42:43.199 --> 00:42:49.960
you know of the word tex gets forms there. I

656
00:42:50.000 --> 00:42:55.119
don't know, that'll be my guess because vor texas do form,

657
00:42:55.159 --> 00:43:02.519
and my experience I experienced the board issue and you know,

658
00:43:02.639 --> 00:43:05.840
not that I have an explanation, but it sounds to

659
00:43:05.880 --> 00:43:13.159
me like that's what's going on there. And one thing

660
00:43:13.280 --> 00:43:18.360
I don't know. This is just a little bit of

661
00:43:18.440 --> 00:43:22.800
wisdom from my years of doing this out here in

662
00:43:22.800 --> 00:43:29.719
my area. Isolated lakes high in the Cascade Mountains or

663
00:43:29.840 --> 00:43:33.519
high in the Coast Range are like some of the

664
00:43:33.559 --> 00:43:36.639
best spots, and I always thought of them as doorways

665
00:43:37.679 --> 00:43:42.239
to wherever they come from. That was My personal feeling

666
00:43:42.360 --> 00:43:45.960
is that if you go up to high mountain, small lake,

667
00:43:46.239 --> 00:43:48.599
it could be a doorway. And this is based on

668
00:43:49.840 --> 00:43:53.159
my very first experience where the very first time I

669
00:43:53.400 --> 00:43:56.400
encountered bigfoot, I went to a place called Skookum Lake

670
00:43:56.760 --> 00:44:01.360
in the Cascade Mountains at five thousand of elevation. So

671
00:44:02.400 --> 00:44:05.599
I basically just stuck with my guns, you know, for

672
00:44:05.760 --> 00:44:09.880
thirty years, because that's the very first place I looked.

673
00:44:10.159 --> 00:44:12.519
I found them in the very first minute I looked.

674
00:44:13.559 --> 00:44:17.960
And I figure that pattern has held true for me

675
00:44:19.119 --> 00:44:24.039
that I don't know exactly how to explain where they

676
00:44:24.079 --> 00:44:28.599
are yet right now. I could, but I could offer

677
00:44:28.639 --> 00:44:32.719
a theory. But yeah, I think there's a vortex that

678
00:44:33.400 --> 00:44:37.400
may form there that gathers the logs around the middle,

679
00:44:37.599 --> 00:44:41.760
and it may be some type of doorway between wherever

680
00:44:41.800 --> 00:44:45.000
they're coming from in this place we live here.

681
00:44:45.280 --> 00:44:49.840
Yeah, this has been a really good conversation. At this point,

682
00:44:49.920 --> 00:44:52.880
I want to talk about the stuff that happened after

683
00:44:52.960 --> 00:44:54.079
I got back to Iowa.

684
00:44:54.719 --> 00:44:59.079
Sure this man, you Yeah, I'm trying to not I'm

685
00:44:59.079 --> 00:45:03.679
trying to listen rather than you know, go you know, insane.

686
00:45:04.719 --> 00:45:07.519
Big for society will be right back after these messages.

687
00:45:23.599 --> 00:45:24.159
Absolutely.

688
00:45:24.599 --> 00:45:28.400
I got home on the twenty third of July when

689
00:45:28.400 --> 00:45:31.280
I was going to sleep on the twenty fourth, so

690
00:45:31.360 --> 00:45:36.880
I was in bed, and before I was completely asleep,

691
00:45:37.440 --> 00:45:40.360
I remember having a dream like I was at the

692
00:45:40.480 --> 00:45:43.079
edge of the meadow and it felt like I could

693
00:45:43.079 --> 00:45:46.840
see dark figures in and around the meadow, and it

694
00:45:46.880 --> 00:45:50.480
felt like I couldn't control my surroundings. But if I

695
00:45:50.559 --> 00:45:52.480
knew what I was doing, I would be able to

696
00:45:52.519 --> 00:45:55.840
control what was happening in that dream really well. And

697
00:45:55.880 --> 00:45:59.400
that was just after that happened. I actually reached out

698
00:45:59.400 --> 00:46:01.360
to toe John and he was like, you need to

699
00:46:01.400 --> 00:46:04.400
immediately start keeping a journal of what happens to you.

700
00:46:06.840 --> 00:46:10.920
So they talked to you through dreams. Yeah, you know,

701
00:46:11.039 --> 00:46:15.360
they do, and that's how they like to do it,

702
00:46:17.320 --> 00:46:21.719
and we're getting messages from them. Yeah, you know, Toad's

703
00:46:21.840 --> 00:46:26.360
probably got a good idea there, I'd say, you know,

704
00:46:26.440 --> 00:46:29.559
because yeah, yeah, I mean, I know, that's one of

705
00:46:29.559 --> 00:46:32.000
the ways they like to do it. They like to

706
00:46:32.239 --> 00:46:34.280
do what they like to do, and they like to

707
00:46:35.440 --> 00:46:39.400
they like to, you know, reach out to certain people

708
00:46:39.480 --> 00:46:44.280
and they like to fill them in from the inside out,

709
00:46:44.599 --> 00:46:48.559
you know, So it becomes an inside game where you

710
00:46:48.679 --> 00:46:52.320
are starting to learn what they're showing you.

711
00:46:52.440 --> 00:46:56.639
Yeah, absolutely, yeah.

712
00:46:56.719 --> 00:47:02.039
The yeah, I think you're like a student in the

713
00:47:02.119 --> 00:47:05.559
curriculum now, like they've they've taken you under their wing

714
00:47:05.639 --> 00:47:08.280
and they're going to show you some stuff. And they

715
00:47:08.400 --> 00:47:10.400
just showed you a whole bunch, you know, like you

716
00:47:10.599 --> 00:47:17.239
just got to You've got a serious introduction here.

717
00:47:17.559 --> 00:47:18.039
Welcome.

718
00:47:18.280 --> 00:47:22.679
It is like a welcome Matt. They like Oregon, they

719
00:47:22.880 --> 00:47:25.840
like Washington. That's why there's so many sightings out here.

720
00:47:25.880 --> 00:47:28.960
They like these places. But yeah, that's why I can

721
00:47:29.039 --> 00:47:31.920
hear your story and go, Man, you're on track. Man,

722
00:47:32.000 --> 00:47:35.480
they're gonna they're going to pull the curtain back for you, buddy.

723
00:47:35.559 --> 00:47:38.199
The thing is, they pulled the curtain way back for me,

724
00:47:38.760 --> 00:47:44.480
way back. Yes, they're getting serious now, they're really showing

725
00:47:44.519 --> 00:47:47.559
their true selves to people, and they're starting to show

726
00:47:47.599 --> 00:47:52.000
you their true self and prepared to be completely blown away.

727
00:47:52.119 --> 00:47:56.239
They're not crazy. Now, you're not in a place where

728
00:47:56.519 --> 00:48:00.559
you're going to get repeatable scientific data that you can

729
00:48:00.599 --> 00:48:02.480
share with your friends.

730
00:48:02.039 --> 00:48:05.000
Right exactly. But I'm not in for that anyways.

731
00:48:05.360 --> 00:48:05.599
You know.

732
00:48:06.119 --> 00:48:09.360
Yeah, you're not going to get back, not anytime soon.

733
00:48:09.480 --> 00:48:13.000
You're going to get They'll show you. You know, they

734
00:48:13.039 --> 00:48:18.639
approach us as individuals. They do not approach us on

735
00:48:18.760 --> 00:48:22.440
a larger well. I guess they can, they certainly can't.

736
00:48:23.360 --> 00:48:28.199
But I mean, so far, most every encounter ride know

737
00:48:28.400 --> 00:48:33.280
of is you know, person to person like that's where

738
00:48:33.320 --> 00:48:38.039
they they show themselves to individual people. They don't show

739
00:48:38.079 --> 00:48:41.800
themselves to the masses. They don't, you know, they never

740
00:48:41.840 --> 00:48:45.679
show themselves to Meldrum or Peter Burn or of those guys.

741
00:48:45.800 --> 00:48:48.800
Like those guys, they go out of their way to

742
00:48:48.920 --> 00:48:53.199
not give those guys anything, you know, Like poor Peter

743
00:48:53.760 --> 00:48:57.159
like looked for fifty years and he's found tracks once,

744
00:48:57.320 --> 00:49:00.599
you know, so that's why. But everybody around like me,

745
00:49:00.800 --> 00:49:03.000
I mean I'd be having I was on his project

746
00:49:03.000 --> 00:49:06.360
with him, and I have encounters, encounters, encounters, and Peter

747
00:49:06.679 --> 00:49:08.840
just like nothing.

748
00:49:09.159 --> 00:49:11.440
You know, did he ever get mad at you because

749
00:49:11.480 --> 00:49:14.519
you were having encounters and like he just he didn't

750
00:49:14.840 --> 00:49:15.960
get anything.

751
00:49:15.639 --> 00:49:20.519
Or he you know, he took the well back then.

752
00:49:20.719 --> 00:49:25.079
I mean this may sound familiar to you. I would

753
00:49:25.239 --> 00:49:28.880
try to describe what really happened, which was like a

754
00:49:28.920 --> 00:49:34.199
force field took out my starter motor right, and smell

755
00:49:34.480 --> 00:49:36.920
was really intense and then it went away. And so

756
00:49:37.000 --> 00:49:40.599
did the force Field, and Peter would pull me aside

757
00:49:40.639 --> 00:49:45.760
and go, you can't tell anybody that story. That embarrasses

758
00:49:46.159 --> 00:49:50.159
us all no way to get it funding. We won't

759
00:49:50.199 --> 00:49:51.599
get any funding if you.

760
00:49:51.639 --> 00:49:56.159
Tell these big but it's just over again.

761
00:49:57.800 --> 00:50:07.639
Yeah yeah. And so so it was really seen as oh, yeah, okay, Henry, fine,

762
00:50:07.679 --> 00:50:11.320
but don't tell anybody anything, like, never tell that story

763
00:50:11.320 --> 00:50:14.559
in public ry. Never do that, No, no, because that'll

764
00:50:14.639 --> 00:50:17.760
just ruin our credibility.

765
00:50:18.440 --> 00:50:18.639
Yep.

766
00:50:19.360 --> 00:50:22.880
And I was like, wow, do you stuck? But of

767
00:50:22.880 --> 00:50:24.840
course I had to keep that to myself, you know,

768
00:50:24.880 --> 00:50:28.000
because it's thirty years ago, and thirty years ago, it's

769
00:50:28.079 --> 00:50:34.119
a different world. And although that tendency has lasted into

770
00:50:34.159 --> 00:50:39.159
the present age with some people, but it's it was

771
00:50:39.199 --> 00:50:42.360
silly then, it's silly now. Peter was a weird guy,

772
00:50:42.400 --> 00:50:50.440
because I'm private conversation sometimes he seemed to realize and

773
00:50:50.559 --> 00:50:55.119
accept that it was weirder than a gorilla, you know,

774
00:50:55.199 --> 00:50:59.400
that it was just really much weirder, because they did

775
00:51:00.199 --> 00:51:03.920
convince him, you know, they did flip him out over

776
00:51:04.039 --> 00:51:08.639
his lifetime a little bit enough so that he knew

777
00:51:08.679 --> 00:51:11.960
something was out there and he didn't know what it was, right,

778
00:51:12.960 --> 00:51:17.920
and it seemed to be too smart to let him

779
00:51:17.960 --> 00:51:21.320
get a proof of a view or anything, but he had.

780
00:51:22.440 --> 00:51:28.360
Here's Peter Burn. He's camping up in a wilderness on

781
00:51:28.480 --> 00:51:35.559
Mount Hood. It's the middle of the night, and a

782
00:51:35.719 --> 00:51:42.280
spotlight starts to circle around the clearing where he is

783
00:51:43.400 --> 00:51:51.079
in the air. It's not making a sound, but he

784
00:51:51.199 --> 00:51:55.400
declares it's a helicopter. It's a helicopter.

785
00:51:55.559 --> 00:51:56.840
He says, wow.

786
00:51:57.119 --> 00:52:01.159
The people also there. It didn't make any noise, and

787
00:52:01.199 --> 00:52:06.199
it circles the dying campfire for like, I don't know,

788
00:52:06.360 --> 00:52:10.719
twenty minutes. It's going around and around the entire clearing

789
00:52:11.360 --> 00:52:18.639
and it is so hands down a total UFO thing

790
00:52:19.360 --> 00:52:23.599
that it's ridiculous, you know, like it's like, Okay, that's

791
00:52:23.599 --> 00:52:27.039
a UFO, you know, really like we can have a

792
00:52:27.079 --> 00:52:32.679
spotlight and not make noise and travel around remote wilderness

793
00:52:32.719 --> 00:52:38.400
clearing Mount Hood. Peter Burn his brain just couldn't handle that,

794
00:52:38.519 --> 00:52:41.840
and so he just decided that was a helicopter. Period.

795
00:52:41.920 --> 00:52:47.039
That's that. It was a helicopter. Had nothing to do

796
00:52:47.119 --> 00:52:49.880
with Bigfoot or anything else. It was a helicopter. And

797
00:52:49.920 --> 00:52:55.360
I'm like, I'm there and I'm going Peter, that.

798
00:52:55.400 --> 00:53:00.239
Was a UFO, right, Yeah, absolutely.

799
00:53:01.199 --> 00:53:04.400
You know, and you know like, hey, man, that's a

800
00:53:04.519 --> 00:53:09.000
UFO and it's circling this lake in the high in

801
00:53:09.079 --> 00:53:14.199
the Cascades, an isolated lake high in the Cascades, geez,

802
00:53:14.280 --> 00:53:19.079
and a clearing geeze. Peter. You know, I'm like, don't

803
00:53:19.119 --> 00:53:22.599
you know what was going on? Peter. No, So even

804
00:53:22.639 --> 00:53:24.960
when a bigfoot event would happen right in front of

805
00:53:25.000 --> 00:53:28.760
his eyes, he'd explain it away like it was, you know,

806
00:53:29.079 --> 00:53:32.519
helicopter whatever, It's just like that's that. And he'd stick

807
00:53:32.559 --> 00:53:34.840
to his guns too, you know, like that was it.

808
00:53:35.480 --> 00:53:40.039
He'd make a snap decision and that was that. And

809
00:53:40.840 --> 00:53:45.880
I was like, man, Peter, you know that it's weirder

810
00:53:45.920 --> 00:53:48.239
than what you're telling us, you know. But he was

811
00:53:48.320 --> 00:53:52.159
really concerned with funding, and he wanted to present an

812
00:53:52.199 --> 00:53:54.440
image that got funded.

813
00:53:56.880 --> 00:54:02.000
Yeah, wow, this is that's very enlightening because it's just

814
00:54:02.039 --> 00:54:06.800
like history just reputes itself over and over with this subject.

815
00:54:08.400 --> 00:54:09.039
Yeah like that.

816
00:54:09.440 --> 00:54:14.639
It's it's really weird. But Henry, thank you for I

817
00:54:14.719 --> 00:54:18.360
just appreciate you talking tonight and walking me through.

818
00:54:18.199 --> 00:54:21.519
All and yeah it sounds like you're getting into some

819
00:54:21.679 --> 00:54:23.039
territory where I can help.

820
00:54:23.559 --> 00:54:26.480
Yeah, yeah, I appreciate it.

821
00:54:26.400 --> 00:54:32.239
You're sure, no problem man, I'm happy to help. Really

822
00:54:33.280 --> 00:54:34.280
totally cool man.

823
00:54:35.639 --> 00:54:36.119
Thank you.

824
00:54:37.159 --> 00:54:39.119
I wish you the best and I hope to talk

825
00:54:39.119 --> 00:54:41.039
to you again sometime in the future.

826
00:54:41.079 --> 00:54:42.199
Henry, Yeah, thank you.

827
00:54:42.639 --> 00:54:47.559
My pleasure. Jeremiah, my pleasure. Thank you. Take care of.

828
00:54:47.519 --> 00:54:48.559
Man YouTube man.

829
00:54:48.599 --> 00:54:52.079
I'll talk to you later by care, see you later.

830
00:54:53.440 --> 00:54:56.199
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839
00:55:19.719 --> 00:55:23.320
or know someone who has, please reach out to me

840
00:55:23.719 --> 00:55:27.199
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841
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842
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843
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If you've had any encounters in Oregon, which I'm sure

844
00:55:32.480 --> 00:55:34.960
there's probably a few of you out there, please feel

845
00:55:34.960 --> 00:55:37.920
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846
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852
00:56:00.440 --> 00:56:00.960
for listening.

853
00:56:50.840 --> 00:56:52.320
Her and I could get on here. We can tell

854
00:56:52.320 --> 00:56:52.920
our stories.

855
00:56:53.320 --> 00:56:55.400
Maybe there's somebody else out there listening.

856
00:56:55.440 --> 00:56:58.400
It's too afraid to tell their story. Maybe this will

857
00:56:58.400 --> 00:57:01.000
give them the courage to come out. And now it

858
00:57:01.000 --> 00:57:04.280
feels so bad about it. Who cares what anybody's thinks.

859
00:57:04.360 --> 00:57:06.639
I know what I saw, I know what's out there.

860
00:57:07.519 --> 00:57:26.679
That's all I care about. Please let people know, Please

861
00:57:26.840 --> 00:57:27.920
let them know.

862
00:57:28.199 --> 00:57:30.920
If you ever see one of these things, you need

863
00:57:31.039 --> 00:57:34.679
to tell because if you don't, then shame on you.

864
00:57:34.679 --> 00:57:45.199
You know, shame on you.