What I Experienced In Oakridge, Oregon: A Conversation with Henry Franzoni

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1:04 This is just the first of many Oakridge themed episodes. As always, thank you for listening. Let's get on with the show. All right, Dick fon Society, We're going to spend some time chatting about what happened in Oregon in Oakridge, and I've got a good friend, Henry Franzoni along for the ride to be kind of a sounding for. You. Made note Henry from previous episodes. I've talked to him a few times and they've been extremely enjoyable. He's also an author of such books such as In the Spirit of Siatco Indians, Geography and Science in the nineteenth Century, which is an amazing book that goes over all the kind of Sasquatch related names in all of the states, which is very cool. It's a great reference and also failing in a cooler way why I never found Bigfoot, which if you like the first book, you want to get a lot deeper. That book gets extremely deep. So I'm a fan of both of those books that Henry has written. But it's a pleasure to have you here, Henry, and I'm excited just to kind of chat with you tonight about what happened.

2:17 Hey, I'm really happy to be here. Yeah, I will hear your stories and we'll see what I how I react because I haven't heard your stories yet, so I don't know what happened to you in Oregon. That's that's true. I know you were down outside of Oakridge, Oregon, and that's one of my hot spots that I identified in my studies of Oregon. You know there's hot spots all over. You were definitely on top of one of them. Yeah, it's it's going to get interesting, Henry. So I haven't told you anything just because I think it'll be interesting to have it recorded, so to give you background of why I was out there to begin with. So about a year ago, I did an interview with a older gentleman named Ronnie Roseman who's from Oakridge, and him and his friend Dwayne had a really interesting experience where they had been tent camping in this meadow in an area.

3:20 They were up there tent camping and pretty much Ronnie does a sound which I've heard in person, and it sounds like one of the more aggressive sounds from the Sierra Sounds. And about ten fifteen minutes later, all these creatures came rushing up the side of a mountain, and he says that it sounded like an agitated chimpanzee, a mad owl, a coyote, a raven, just all this stuff and pretty much they jump into the tent and for an hour and a half they are just bombarded by these animals rushing all around the tent, making crazy noises, almost rushing into the tent, and it's just a very intense time, right. So that's how this all kind of started.

4:05 And then Ronnie's daughter started a festival, which this year was the first year, called Sasquatch Summerfest in Oakridge. So she invited me out to that. She said, Hey, if you can get out here, I've got a space for you in the Speaker's Airbnb and you can talk to people, and this is a great deal, right, So I had a booth out there. I thought I was just out there to talk to people from the town about their bigfoot encounters for the podcast, which you know, I was pretty sweet, right, And so I totally did that and I got some. Wild wild encounters. But what I didn't expect to happen, Henry, is that they actually took me out into the woods multiple times, just forest roads for a long, long trip. And I'd never been on a forest service road in the Pacific Northwest before, and it was like miles and miles and mile outside of Oakridge, and they took me up to this area. And when you go up to this area the day before a film crew actually when I got there the morning of the day I got there, the film crew there's a documentary film crew, Jason Kenzie's crew, and they had been up there and they had a visual of a big foot on the edge of the meadow, a smaller one jumping out of a tree, and they had some more visuals in another nearby area. So that's important to know that they go up there, and then

5:37 I go up with them at night to kind of check it out, and nothing really really happened. It was an interesting area getting used to the Oregon woods. Never been out in there. But the next day Ronnie and Dwayne actually took me out for multiple hours to where they had had their encounter that meadow and other places where they've had two So we are in this area and Dwayne first says, Okay, so there's this area where the big sasquatch or the alpha sasquatch will run out of the woods, and I want to take you in there and show you round. And I was like, okay, so let's check it out. So we go in there and we're looking around and he notices there's like a tree which is about a foot and a half off the ground where it's been almost like gripped and twisted and broken.

6:30 And then I looked around. There were like five or six of them in a kind of a circle, which was weird, right, And so we notice stuff like there's trees that are broken off eight foot up, twelve foot up, and just weirdly placed trees as well, and so there's that and we're like, okay, nothing happening there. So then we walk over to the meadow area and I walked through the meadow to where an individual had seen the big jumped down from a tree on the edge of the meadow and I see, I see there's a big footprint over there. So it's about about fifteen sixteen inches and I had toes. I checked that out.

7:11 I'm like, oh, wow, that's that's pretty cool. So remember that for later. And then Ronnie and Dwayne they were like, hey, you know, check out where. So the day before the film crew had put an apple, an orange, and a banana in a tree and they're like, go check this out. So we're the first ones back. Let's check it out, see what's going on. So the apple was on the ground, uneaten, and the orange was on the ground uneaten, and the banana was on the ground and it had been peeled and eaten, and there was like a sixteen inch footprint right next to it, next to the tree.

7:51 So like that was that was really weird, man. Yeah, that should give you some clues. That messed in my head for like two days. Henry and I was like, I was like, man, there's like something out here that has hands and that can peel stuff. And eat stuff. Dude. Yeah, it's like you got you got an actual, like experiential fact there where you go, wow, like something peeled this banana. It got really real for me, man. And so we were so that that happened. And then we were hanging out a little bit. And when Ronnie goes up there, he likes to play songs on his guitar and sing to him. That's how he has like a good experience with them in a relationship.

8:37 So yeah, they seem to love music, you know, really, they're people that like music. So he played a song which was kind of like sixties type song, I won't you can imagine what the band name might be. I don't want to trigger any algorithms. But so there he was playing his song and like a minute into it, there was like this huge roar from the woods, and like I felt like all the blood rushed from my head down to my feet. And after it did that, like. I heard half the roar because it's like my ears stopped working, and I looked over at Dwayne and his face was all pale, and he was like freaking out.

9:23 He's like, dude, it's it's happening again. And so we're like, oh, man, what is what is roaring at us from the woods. And then we're like, okay, we got to go and help get the festival kind of set up. But then Ronnie was like, let's let me play one more song for him, so we're like, man, okay, whatever. So he starts playing a song and then about a minute into the song again there's like another roar, but it transitions into a scream, and like, dude, that was just I've never experienced anything like that, man, and it was. It was really weird. Henry, you got a real taste of Bigfoot there. It didn't Yeah, I.

10:06 Know, I did. I wasn't expecting to be put into a situation where it was very real and it was happening in front of me and not just I'm talking to people about it on the phone and recording it. But like I I absolutely experienced these things in real life. Now, it wasn't a visual, but like, yeah. Yeah, do you really need a visual at that point? Well, no, absolutely not, No, Henry, I am I am so far because of that, I'm I'm so far I mean down the road, I guess, as you alluded to in previous interviews. Because of that, I'm extremely far down the road.

10:48 Yeah. Yeah, I think that a thing like that can really answer a lot of questions for you, and it gives rise to a lot more questions. You know. But one of the things that is cool about the whole Bigfoot thing is that what just happened to you, which is, you know, people don't know if it's real or not it's a hoax, and they go through all the same old stuff. But if you go out there and you have an experience like what you had, boy, the questions answered. You know something's out there, you're not sure exactly what it is or exactly you know what's going on, but you know there's something there, something bored at you and screamed and it had tremendous power. I'm sure like it gave you an impression of.

11:44 Incredible power absolutely there. It was so far out in the woods on all these like switchback roads, and like, dude, there's no one else out there, and just to experience that, it was like, man, there's no question, and then there's there's other weird stuff, Henry. So it's like we went we went back out there on the Sunday after the festival. Is there is an individual that wanted to look at the tracks that's pretty. Well known in the community. He came with us and so we showed him the tracks on the edge of the meadow and he actually ended up finding more tracks in there. After that individual left, it was just me, Dwayne, Denise, which is Dane, Dwayne's daughter, and a few other individuals and the Denise is around my age. But the thing you need to know about Denise is that whenever she's there in that area, like activity seems to really pick up in a way that you hear this it's like a it's like half a bird call where it's like a single tone and it'll start, it'll start making the noise from the tree line, but then she responds to it, and so they were responding.

13:11 They were communicating back and forth, and it was the craziest thing I've ever seen, Henry, Like, it got to the point where like you could tell whatever was making the sound was getting more excited, and it was like she would make the noise and then half a second later. It was like back and forth, back and forth, back and forth. And I just didn't know how to handle that either. And it was just like it was right there inside the tree line. It was a weird, weird thing, man. I don't know. That messed with me a lot too, could. You see, Well, the thing that kind of happens is that you can't really pinpoint where it's coming from, and a lot of times it seems to be coming from a place you can see plainly, but you don't see anything there, but the sound is coming from that empty place.

14:08 I don't know if that happened to you, but that's the kind of thing I've noticed with some of the sounds. But that's interesting, that's interesting. You know, you, in my opinion, you had a genuine bigfoot experience. You fall into the realm of people that did not see a Bigfoot, But what happened to you certainly convinced you of the reality of Bigfoot beyond any doubt. It sounds like those people have some affinity. It sounds like Denise shares some kind of connection with them or friendship or something.

14:51 Yes, there's a lot of weird stuff that happened too. There was at least one person that heard their name be called from the woods in that area one night. Yeah, well, they know who you are. You know, they're in my opinion and my humble opinion, they're people, and they're super scientists. Yeah, that's my opinion. You know, generally, generally, if you generalize about the people the big Foot people, you basically are talking about super scientists, and they're incredibly aware of what you are, what you think, who you are, and what's going on.

15:32 Bigs a society will be right back after these messages, and. You don't have any idea that they have such an accurate picture of you. It's kind of like crows. I always compare it to crows because when humans look at crows, we can't tell them apart. They're all just the same old black crow. Hey, look another black crow. We don't know, but when they look at us, they see individual faces and they recognize all of us individually. And there's been a lot of research done at the University of Washington that's confirmed that crows identify individual humans, not only that they remember it for like seven years, not only that they can communicate who individuals are to their offspring. So if the crow identifies you as a bad dude, he can teach his kids about you the bad dude or a good person that teaches them, they can actually teach their children the same thing. So crows have this whole thing going on about human beings, and they have us

17:05 figured out, and they know who the good ones and bad ones are. So stret's to imagine that, you know, an intelligent species would be the same way about us. And that's my opinion is that they have a really good idea about each and every one of us individuals, which is why you're seeing behavior change depending on who the individuals are that are with you, and you all kind of intuitively sense that because they do respond to specific individuals in specific weird ways. I mean, not that you could predict it, but I think you had a real taste of that just now.

17:51 Well, the experience is talking about absolutely. And it was a thing where I'd heard people talk about this where if you are open to things, then maybe you will get more activity than a person who is not open to anything like that and just maybe looking for certain things. And I experienced that one hundred percent where when certain individuals were there that were only into certain evidence based things, stuff did not happen. But when they were not present, it was game on Henry and it was the weirdest thing I've ever experienced. Well, they got their preferences, don't they. It's the way they the way they want to do it, you know, that's kind of how it is. They want to they want to do it that way. They don't want to do it any other way. Yeah, they're I would say, that's really interesting that that happened to you, because yes, that in itself led me to go solo. For that was one of the factors where I for the last twenty two years, i'd only go out in the woods with specific individuals at specific once in a whild times, you know, like I just wasn't interested in going out in the woods with strangers. I'd only go out you know, with the individuals that I knew that they were kind of fond of. I got picky about that, and I

19:25 don't know, you know, Oregon, It's cool. No, The thing is is that that's really a They are just people making a choice about who they want to who they like, and who they want to help out and who they don't want to help out, you know. I mean, that's what I think. There was. A really weird physical thing that happened that I do want to bring up the first night when I went out into the woods. When I got back, I noticed I had what seemed to be like two horst fly bites on my left leg and one on my right leg. And then I was there for a total of six to seven days. As the week progressed, it would my legs pretty much got worse and there was spread bruising.

20:15 It started to get it. It just was not It definitely was not horsefly. But for some reason I was like, well, maybe they'll just magically get better. Right until the day before I flew back to Iowa. I was out interviewing a wilderness guy at his cabin for the podcast, and I was like, hey, can you have you ever seen horsefly bites like this, and he was like, man, that looks pretty bad. It could be staph infection. You need to get to urgent care if you can right now. So I dropped everything and I went to urgent care in Springfield, and the doctors that I talked to there, they were like, well, it's not staph infection, but we have no idea what happened to your legs. This makes no sense at all. They pretty much threw every blood test they could at me, and I ended up being put on really heavy antibiotics. I had a fever and by the time I got to the urgent care, thankfully, it started going away about like an hour or two after I started taking the medication. But they're like, it's weird because it looks like someone took someone took a big log and just beat your two legs and that was It's weird because I don't even remember getting bit and so that was really weird. There's some weird Native American legends in that area.

21:37 Yeah, I'm familiar with at least a couple of them. Yeah, not any. Yeah, Wow, that's pretty unusual. Yeah, I don't know what to think about that, but wow, Indians might look at that as some kind of sign, you know. I mean, that might be a message from from someone about what you're doing. It could be hey, slow down message or stop or you know, I don't know, you know, I mean, you know, Indians might look at it a little superstitiously ish and say, hey, you know, maybe you should check what you're doing because maybe you're getting crosswise with mother Earth. Yeah, you wouldn't want to do that now. And that's the thing, is that this whole Sasquatch thing involves mother Earth, and you can you know you're getting crosswise with mother Earth if you're getting crosswise with the Sasquatch. In my opinion, that's kind of how I think it is. So I think they're husbands of mother Earth in essence, you know.

22:57 But attitude is everything. Yeah, And what you alluded to before is really the reality, which is the attitude you have makes a lot of difference as to what happens. And me, I think that one should have an attitude of like tremendous respect because I think people don't really respect what they're seeing enough in general. But I don't know if respect is the only key. But I know that if you like you talk about openness. If you've got an attitude, a good attitude, and you're like a genuinely good soul, and you've got a really good attitude, and you were thinking, you're you know, being objective, you're trying to make things better. If you're that kind of person, an optimistic person, I think that increases the likelihood that you can have an encounter. And I only say that based on experience. That's just not something that I can, you know, point to an experiment and tell you a look, you know, this is the truth. But I have had a lot of experience, and when I did, it seemed to be connected that way to the respectfulness and the

24:28 openness of my attitude. My attitude seemed to have an awful lot to do with it. But I think, you know, you just sort of learned, you're just sort of saw a lesson in that, and that things changed as you changed the composition of your group. And you know, not to say anything's wrong with anybody, but I think that you know, the big feat themselves have an opinion, and you just saw their opinion. You know, in real life, people don't give them credit for being people and thinking about what is going on. You know, but they do. In my opinion, they know they're like crows. They know us way better than we know them. We look at them, we go look, you know, we can't tell them apart, we don't know, but just go bigfoot, you know. But they look at us, and I think they go Jeremiah Byron.

25:27 Let's check this podcast. I think they've got I think they know the whole picture. Man. That might be a little crazy to know most, but. That's what I don't think. So and you'll see why in a minute. I don't know how much of this is going to be left in an episode. I'm just going to tell you everything. I have no idea. Hey, get the editor out. Ye yeah. I'm just going to show why we need the editors, yeahed editors. For times like this. So I was leaving to go back to Iowa Tuesday. Monday. I got back to Oakridge from urgent Care, and I was like, you know what, I'm not doing interviews. I'm just gonna I'm just gonna drive around and just kind of chill out and have a good have a good night, get something to eat, check out some areas I had heard about, just kind of chill out and maybe just enjoy myself for a night.

26:19 Right. So I talked to an individual. His name is Bill. His name is Bill Morris from Oregon, and he's a great guy. He had told me. He was like, he's like Jeremiah, if you want, if you want to see them, just say in your mind that I'm not afraid and I am ready for you to show yourself to me. It was a statement something to that effect, right, So, as I was driving around, I had been repeating that in my mind, and I was driving down by a reservoir that was south of the town. And as I finished saying that statement my mind, I drove by a pine tree that was covered with vines and so it's all green, and I saw for a split second what looked like to be like the outline silhouette of a sasquash. It was about eight to nine feet tall, but then it disappeared completely.

27:18 Into the tree. So I'm not sure what to think of that either. That's just that's just a really unique thing. I'm not sure if you know, my logic side, my logic side is fighting against my like bigfoot side, where my logic side is like, yeah, that's probably your fever, right. But. My big foot side is like, there's something else going on here. I don't know. Yeah, well that guy gave us some good advice, I think, you know, or at least it. Yeah, I myself was very very fright and tried to tamp down my fear from the very first moment I had an encounter, And for years and decades, I kept talking to myself about, hey, calm down, don't be afraid of them, don't be afraid.

28:22 You know. Then one day I got to a place where I wasn't and you know, I'm in that place today where I'm I don't even think about them as them anymore. But yeah, it's a it's an interesting proposition what happens there. So, yeah, you had some very strange things. Yes, yes, indeed. Well they're talking to you, sir. They've taken note that you are a that's interested in them, and they're starting a long curriculum that you will probably stick around for, I would think, because I think that's what you're going to get now, is they'll keep feeding you little tidbits of information no matter where you are. You can be in Iowa, you can be anywhere, Manna. They're gonna be tweaking your attention.

29:27 Once they get your attention like that, they can kind of like stick with it for a while. At least that's what happened to me. Once I really went down the rabbit hole like you from like the reel or something real out here in the woods. You know, boy, you know that actually triggered like a lifetime of weird stuff. So maybe the same as in store for you, sir. We're getting there. There's one more thing that I need to share with you that happen on Sunday afternoon. There was a time so we would have we would sit in eyelon chairs across the service road and face the the meadow, and there was one point when we were just sitting there watching the meadow to see if anything would happen. I think this was I can't remember if it was before or after the mimic bird noises, but I remember I was staring into the tree line that's on the other side of the meadow, and it was it felt like I couldn't move, and I was just I was staring into the trees and I was just not able to move or almost felt like I could breathe for like five minutes, and I just it felt like I was paralyzed and then all of a sudden it just was like boom, then I could move around again.

30:47 It was really really weird. They can't do that, not sure, Yeah, in my opinion, you know, like science as we know it today may have a tough time explaining that. But they can do that. They can they can control the autonomic nervous system of other species, including you. They can actually control your body like a puppet and march you off a cliff if they don't like you. Now, they tend not to do that to people like you that they but you know, freezing I maybe you know, well, let me just step aside for a second. So the thing about me is that, like many people today, I had a whole bunch of money, and I spent a whole bunch of money sending a team around to investigate four hundred and eighty five sighting reports in Oregon and Washington over a five year period.

31:59 Takes side who will be right back after these messages? And I collected all the data of all these different weird, weird, weird weird stories, and then I sat around and you know, sifted through them and looked for like everybody commonalities and things like that, And what you're describing is one of those commonalities. They're getting frozen and getting paralyzed. That happens all over Oregon in Washington, and it has for hundreds of years. And I've found even old Indian stories that tell the same thing. In the Indian story they talk about how the power of seatco was in the eyes and when they look at you, they can actually just freeze you. And I know from a lot of discussions with the elders of the local tribes that yeah, they can control They can control an animal, including you. They can actually like run you like a puppet, and they can do it to every other animal. But what you were describing earlier, I think is a different phenomenon, which

33:32 is that they can imitate all the different animals, and they do a really good job imitating all the different animals, except the volume is off. They're too loud. So I've been out camping and I heard a huge amount of crows come and land around me. It sounded like a hundred crows, like an entire flock of crows landed right where I was sitting, But there was nothing there at all. There was nothing visible, and the crows when they came in were way too loud, and so even though I never saw a thing, I was like, well, this is a bigfoot, you know, that's what's going on here. This is bigfoot for sure. So I make a leap of faith when stuff like what happens, what happened to you?

34:31 I kind of immediately jumped to that's bigfoot when you talk about oh man, you know we were in the tent and these things were all all these different animals around the tent. You had real, genuine Bigfoot experiences, so you know it's there's something real out there now. You know it? Oh absolutely, you know, you know it real. Whatever the heck it is. You know, it's a big step forward. I remember when it happened to me. Yeah, you know, you get offline, That's what it's all about. It's like, well, I'm online, I'm online talking about things. But then you get offline and all of a sudden, like whh man, it's real. That's what happened to me in Oregon.

35:14 It I felt like coming back, I felt like I was a different person than when I went out there. It's you were you you now know you know, you know you've been exposed now now you're like, oh man, this is in a way it can really get your attention now because you're like, holy beans, this thing is right. What is this? When you were in Oakridge area over the years, did you ever go up into the woods around Oakridge and have things. Happen to you? You know? Yeah, everything changed for me at some point.

35:55 I I've had different breakthroughs with my whole bigfoot thing, you know, and the last breakthrough I left, well, let's just say it took me to a whole other place. But the thing that I like, what I did in that area was I had a connection, which was a woman who you see, it's back up the Holt family and Eugene built the Holt Center, this cultural arts center, and they're the big old logging family that has donated all kinds of public service buildings all throughout Eugene, and you know, they're like the big local royalty. And I was friends with the granddaughter and she would let me stay in her cabin on Odell Lake, which is just further up fifty eight in the cascades from Oakridge, you know what I mean, Like you just keep going higher up to the crest of the cascades, and so I would hang out in this cabin that actually was originally Alexander Graham Bell the Third's sports cabin, and it's right

37:26 in this completely uninhabited corner of Odell Lake, which is a huge lake, and i'd be on the west end, right by Oakridge in this cabin. And so i'd go up there with my wife and hang out, and you know, i'd have experiences up there. But I kind of like I'm one of those people that the experience has just follow me around and wherever I go, So do they? You know, It's like I understand that's how it is now for me. It used to not be like that, right, I Mean there was a time where I didn't know that I like was one of those people that you know, just carried them around. But or whatever, I'm somehow deeply connected to the people before the ancestor and be sure, so yeah, I'm really I really love that area. But the other thing I have to say about that area is when you look at it from the perspective of place names, it's got all kinds of stuff like wind Digo Butte and the Siaco and you know, there's different spirit this and spirit that's and there's all kinds of bigfoot place names from the Indians, all up Highway fifty eight,

39:00 all over the Cascades. When you go up to Diamond Lake and you go south, you know, there's some fantastic lakes on the crest of the Cascades right by Oakridge. Diamond Lake and Odell Lake come to mind, and they're both heavy duty bigfoot spots, you know. I mean, well that whole area is that's the thing is. After a lifetime, I mean, I'm kind of like, well, you get to a point where you have looked at so many bigfoot sightings that you become convinced that they're random, and you go, wow, you know this is actually they're random because you can't actually tell if they're going to be in the city or in the country. I mean, granted, most of them are out in the places, the hotspots that we find like Oakridge and stuff. There's always hotspots, but there's also so many weird sightings like right on the edge of town or in town, or you know, you get to a point where you're like, wow, actually I have no idea at all where they are or where they'll appear next.

40:27 You know, you get you set your stakes wider and wider to try to include all the outliers. And so I've definitely, you know, done that. I started right at the little oak Ridge area right outside of Oakridge, and I focused on that, and then as I kept going around, Wampas Butte is right there. I mean, it's like a desaurus for Indian place names for bigfoot all through that entire area. Oh absolutely, there's one place that. So I had a booth there and I had maps of the area spread out and people would come over and mark where they had experienced stuff or had sightings or heard whoops or howls, and it was very cool.

41:16 I got about probably like thirty reports that had never been These were loggers and construction workers and blue collar workers. People that wouldn't do it. They had never talked to the BFRORO or anything. And this was all brand new stuff that I had captured. It was really really amazing. One area that kept coming up, and this area has come up before I got to Oakridge too, is people have been chased out of a place called Spirit Lake multiple times, had weird encounters out there. But a few hunters told me about how they had been to this place called Spirit Lake, which is out by Waldo Waldo Wilderness and they said that at dusk or when it gets dark, all the wood will float to the middle of the lake and then it will form a circle and start rotating around in a circle.

42:11 And at that point I was like, Man, I don't know what is going on out here, but this is this is something something else and something special is happening out here. It is just it just blew my mind. Wow. Well, Spirit Lake, I mean every place I know of that name Spirit Mountain or Spirit Lake is you know, a heavy hot spot. It sounds to me like what you know of the word tex gets forms there. I don't know, that'll be my guess because vor texas do form, and my experience I experienced the board issue and you know, not that I have an explanation, but it sounds to me like that's what's going on there. And one thing I don't know. This is just a little bit of wisdom from my years of doing this out here in my area. Isolated lakes high in the Cascade Mountains or high in the Coast Range are like some of the best spots, and I always thought of them as doorways to wherever they come from. That was My personal feeling

43:42 is that if you go up to high mountain, small lake, it could be a doorway. And this is based on my very first experience where the very first time I encountered bigfoot, I went to a place called Skookum Lake in the Cascade Mountains at five thousand of elevation. So I basically just stuck with my guns, you know, for thirty years, because that's the very first place I looked. I found them in the very first minute I looked. And I figure that pattern has held true for me that I don't know exactly how to explain where they are yet right now. I could, but I could offer a theory. But yeah, I think there's a vortex that may form there that gathers the logs around the middle, and it may be some type of doorway between wherever they're coming from in this place we live here.

44:45 Yeah, this has been a really good conversation. At this point, I want to talk about the stuff that happened after I got back to Iowa. Sure this man, you Yeah, I'm trying to not I'm trying to listen rather than you know, go you know, insane. Big for society will be right back after these messages. Absolutely. I got home on the twenty third of July when I was going to sleep on the twenty fourth, so I was in bed, and before I was completely asleep, I remember having a dream like I was at the edge of the meadow and it felt like I could see dark figures in and around the meadow, and it felt like I couldn't control my surroundings. But if I knew what I was doing, I would be able to control what was happening in that dream really well. And that was just after that happened. I actually reached out to toe John and he was like, you need to immediately start keeping a journal of what happens to you.

46:06 So they talked to you through dreams. Yeah, you know, they do, and that's how they like to do it, and we're getting messages from them. Yeah, you know, Toad's probably got a good idea there, I'd say, you know, because yeah, yeah, I mean, I know, that's one of the ways they like to do it. They like to do what they like to do, and they like to they like to, you know, reach out to certain people and they like to fill them in from the inside out, you know, So it becomes an inside game where you are starting to learn what they're showing you.

46:52 Yeah, absolutely, yeah. The yeah, I think you're like a student in the curriculum now, like they've they've taken you under their wing and they're going to show you some stuff. And they just showed you a whole bunch, you know, like you just got to You've got a serious introduction here. Welcome. It is like a welcome Matt. They like Oregon, they like Washington. That's why there's so many sightings out here. They like these places. But yeah, that's why I can hear your story and go, Man, you're on track. Man, they're gonna they're going to pull the curtain back for you, buddy.

47:35 The thing is, they pulled the curtain way back for me, way back. Yes, they're getting serious now, they're really showing their true selves to people, and they're starting to show you their true self and prepared to be completely blown away. They're not crazy. Now, you're not in a place where you're going to get repeatable scientific data that you can share with your friends. Right exactly. But I'm not in for that anyways. You know. Yeah, you're not going to get back, not anytime soon. You're going to get They'll show you. You know, they approach us as individuals. They do not approach us on a larger well. I guess they can, they certainly can't.

48:23 But I mean, so far, most every encounter ride know of is you know, person to person like that's where they they show themselves to individual people. They don't show themselves to the masses. They don't, you know, they never show themselves to Meldrum or Peter Burn or of those guys. Like those guys, they go out of their way to not give those guys anything, you know, Like poor Peter like looked for fifty years and he's found tracks once, you know, so that's why. But everybody around like me, I mean I'd be having I was on his project with him, and I have encounters, encounters, encounters, and Peter just like nothing.

49:09 You know, did he ever get mad at you because you were having encounters and like he just he didn't get anything. Or he you know, he took the well back then. I mean this may sound familiar to you. I would try to describe what really happened, which was like a force field took out my starter motor right, and smell was really intense and then it went away. And so did the force Field, and Peter would pull me aside and go, you can't tell anybody that story. That embarrasses us all no way to get it funding. We won't get any funding if you.

49:51 Tell these big but it's just over again. Yeah yeah. And so so it was really seen as oh, yeah, okay, Henry, fine, but don't tell anybody anything, like, never tell that story in public ry. Never do that, No, no, because that'll just ruin our credibility. Yep. And I was like, wow, do you stuck? But of course I had to keep that to myself, you know, because it's thirty years ago, and thirty years ago, it's a different world. And although that tendency has lasted into the present age with some people, but it's it was silly then, it's silly now. Peter was a weird guy, because I'm private conversation sometimes he seemed to realize and accept that it was weirder than a gorilla, you know, that it was just really much weirder, because they did convince him, you know, they did flip him out over his lifetime a little bit enough so that he knew something was out there and he didn't know what it was, right, and it seemed to be too smart to let him get a proof of a view or anything, but he had.

51:22 Here's Peter Burn. He's camping up in a wilderness on Mount Hood. It's the middle of the night, and a spotlight starts to circle around the clearing where he is in the air. It's not making a sound, but he declares it's a helicopter. It's a helicopter. He says, wow. The people also there. It didn't make any noise, and it circles the dying campfire for like, I don't know, twenty minutes. It's going around and around the entire clearing and it is so hands down a total UFO thing that it's ridiculous, you know, like it's like, Okay, that's a UFO, you know, really like we can have a spotlight and not make noise and travel around remote wilderness clearing Mount Hood. Peter Burn his brain just couldn't handle that, and so he just decided that was a helicopter. Period.

52:41 That's that. It was a helicopter. Had nothing to do with Bigfoot or anything else. It was a helicopter. And I'm like, I'm there and I'm going Peter, that. Was a UFO, right, Yeah, absolutely. You know, and you know like, hey, man, that's a UFO and it's circling this lake in the high in the Cascades, an isolated lake high in the Cascades, geez, and a clearing geeze. Peter. You know, I'm like, don't you know what was going on? Peter. No, So even when a bigfoot event would happen right in front of his eyes, he'd explain it away like it was, you know, helicopter whatever, It's just like that's that. And he'd stick to his guns too, you know, like that was it.

53:35 He'd make a snap decision and that was that. And I was like, man, Peter, you know that it's weirder than what you're telling us, you know. But he was really concerned with funding, and he wanted to present an image that got funded. Yeah, wow, this is that's very enlightening because it's just like history just reputes itself over and over with this subject. Yeah like that. It's it's really weird. But Henry, thank you for I just appreciate you talking tonight and walking me through.

54:18 All and yeah it sounds like you're getting into some territory where I can help. Yeah, yeah, I appreciate it. You're sure, no problem man, I'm happy to help. Really totally cool man. Thank you. I wish you the best and I hope to talk to you again sometime in the future. Henry, Yeah, thank you. My pleasure. Jeremiah, my pleasure. Thank you. Take care of. Man YouTube man. I'll talk to you later by care, see you later. Please take a minute to help out the show by subscribing on YouTube, making sure you hit the bell so you I don't miss any notifications, and share the episode on YouTube with a friend. Also, if you're listening to us on a podcast, thank you so much. Make sure that you're subscribed, share the show with a friend. Really, it's all about sharing the show.

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56:50 Her and I could get on here. We can tell our stories. Maybe there's somebody else out there listening. It's too afraid to tell their story. Maybe this will give them the courage to come out. And now it feels so bad about it. Who cares what anybody's thinks. I know what I saw, I know what's out there. That's all I care about. Please let people know, Please let them know. If you ever see one of these things, you need to tell because if you don't, then shame on you.

57:34 You know, shame on you.