What I Found after the Siege at Honobia

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Welcome to the Bigfoot Society. In
this episode, I talked to Harold Benny,

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a zoologist who shares his bigfoot sightings
from Honabi, Oklahoma and Mina,

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Arkansas over the years. If you've
experienced something similar to what Harold has,

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or have more information regarding bigfoot or
other cryptids in the same areas, please

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reach out immediately to me after this
episode. Remember, your encounter could be

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the key to unlocking this mystery once
and for all, so please don't hesitate

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to contact me at Bigfoot Society at
gmail dot com. All right, Bigfoot

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Society. We got the privilege of
talking to mister Harold Benny today. He's

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a zoologist from Illinois. He's got
a very interesting story. Harold. I'm

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gonna let you go ahead and take
the reins, my friend. Okay,

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about the summer that I turned sixty
and I look at it. This would

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have been two thousand and seven,
and this was when I actually I call

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it the first Bigfoot that I saw, although I had a couple of strange

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things that I don't talk about because
they are so strange that happened before.

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But this is down in Oklahoma,
and you probably heard of Honobia, the

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locals call it Hornaby. And some
of you probably have read a book by

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Tom Powell called The Locals and the
Locals. He spends quite a bit of

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time and he talks about this little
town and some stuff that has happened down

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there. And I was down there
looking around and seeing all the things in

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the book and everything. But the
last night that we were down there,

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down there with two friends, me
and two others had had gone let's say,

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south of town more or less,
and spent some time setting in the

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bushes and whatever, and we decided
to go to Narstown and get into the

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hills they call them mountains, And
we went up a mountain road about ten

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o'clock at the night, maybe ten
thirty that we started up the mountain road,

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and we had an old pickup truck, and I rode in the back

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of the pickup truck and the other
two just rode in front, and we

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went up there. It seemed like
forever, but when we stopped and figured

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it out, it was about six
miles and maybe seven And we parked the

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car or the truck and then walked
up ways and we crossed the bridge or

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went across the creek, then up
a little hill, and I've got bad

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legs, so I'm never in a
hurry, and I don't mind walking in

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the dark by myself. Anyway,
I was going pretty slow and left the

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other two just going up ahead.
I got up to the top of the

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hill and I had a military grade
thermal, and back then these thermals didn't

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do anything except let you see.
Now the thermals will record, and they're

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a lot less expensive, but they're
not nearest as nice and accurate. Anyway,

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I had this thermal, and I'd
been up in this location before,

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and as i was walking the road
to the Tempry Road, I would stopped

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here and there and panned through the
woods with his thermal. And I hadn't

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gone too far up this hill to
the top of it, when I happened

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to see a head in the bushes
moving up and down, and I just

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froze, didn't move, and I
had the thermal on this object, and

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I just stayed there and watched it
for quite a while. He would just

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head would deck down and then it
would appear again above the bushes a couple

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feet away, and awful being was
over seventeen, I know, at least

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the thing was. It was only
about maybe forty feet away from me.

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It was not far at all,
and I got a little nervous, a

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little bit upset that this great,
big thing that was right there in the

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side of the road, almost next
to me, and I had to stop

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and take a couple of breaths,
and I thought, Okay, just had

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my birthday. I made it to
sixty. I've always wanted to see something

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like this my whole life. And
it started spending more time out in the

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woods, and I says, heck, I'm going to watch this. I

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watched it as long as I could, and then the other tree I was

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with they came back down the road
at me and yelled, and I looked

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up. And when I looked up, this big animal that I'd been watching

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and disappeared. It took the chance
of the opportunity to get back down the

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bushes somewhere. So the other two
came down and was asked me, and

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I told him what I saw,
and I don't want them, I don't

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think blade me. But one of
another one that had the thermal at a

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thermal, she looked into the woods
where I'd been looking at and she saw

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the animal also, So I had
verification, right there, which so I

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know it wasn't just my imagination.
And but if she watched it for a

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little bit and it was leaning against
the tree, it wasn't hiding anymore.

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And finally a guy away where she
couldn't see it either. So I watched

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it. I'm probably not full minute, but then forty seconds, forty five

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something like that actually, and I
felt that that was quite a while.

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But it just stayed within a pretty
small area, just going back and forth

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and looking up and down, trying
to look watching me, and everybody asked

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me what it looked like through this
thermal. It was just completely bright white

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and there was no detail ready that
I could see except this was big and

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white. We radioed and we got
a couple of other people up there,

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and actually we sat in the seven
minute ditches for a while and just hung

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around up there, and it was
interesting. We used a couple of guys

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that were backed up in the woods
there and they weren't too far away.

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They were camping. I think they
were from Kentucky or Tennessee, and we

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gave them a call on the phone
or on the radio because we were on

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a county road. This county road, though the hunters cut it over and

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they put gates up. This is
this is back in the hills. So

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there was nobody stopped doing this,
and the hunters were told us they were

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going to close the gates to keep
us out the rest of the night.

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We called these other guys and we
told them they better pack up real quick

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because the gates were going to get
locked up. An interesting thing. They

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packed up, They started up their
old truck, and when they did,

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they got howls from behind their campground
and we could hear them. We went

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that far away, we could hear
the howls or the prints and the wood

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knocks. It's almost like they were
communicating and say, hey, we don't

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know whether where the one side of
guys is that these guys here are moving,

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they're doing something. There was a
lot of and there was a lot

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of sound up there. Now let's
see, So that would have been time

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that all happened. It would have
been really close to right around midnight time.

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I had the sidings and we had
the other people up there, but

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nobody else saw anything. We had
some some smells, but they weren't that

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strong. And I wouldn't really want
to say that the smells were associated with

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anything else that was right there either, and let me see, we went

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back down to the truck and we
got out of the area before we got

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locked in. But actually for that
sighting, that was that's the main part,

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and that's about what happened. Just
this last fall in October, there

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was a rise up of that siding
that seven almost seventeen years ago. And

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I did a spoke at the Murphysboro
Bigfoot Festival this year and I was interviewed

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and one of the guys that interviewed
me, he wrote to this story that

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I've just told you. He wrote
it up and it was in the Illinois

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Country Living magazine that is put out
by Electric co Op. And that's where

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I thought that you got the story. But now it's not many. It

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might not be the best story I've
got, but I saw it. There's

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no doubts about it. It felt
like I could almost touch it from where

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I was standing, and it was
probably it was probably as bad as close

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as i'd really want to get to
one I've been any closer I had been

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in it's lives. But I can
see how some people get to get the

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jitters and they get to feeling funny
and they don't know what to think.

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But I consider myself to be really
lucky, one of the lucky few to

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actually see this animals, see it
alive, and see it moving. And

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I was thinking it was dark,
so people are going to say it was

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dark. You didn't really see it
that well. I saw a pretty dog

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gone good. But actually that about
takes up next afternoon, I had to

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leave back drive back here to town, and I was excited all the way

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back. I still get excited when
to talk about it. But let me

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see, I think that's probably about
all what I've got to say about that

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right now. Harold, do you
mind if I jump in and ask you

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a few questions about that specific memory
you have? Yeah, go ahead,

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perfect, just because it's very rare
to be able to talk to someone from

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that time period in that location for
the listeners that might not be aware of

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it, can you explain what you
remember of what you heard about the events

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of the siege at hoh Nubbi that
happened around twenty years ago in Oklahoma.

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It seemed to be it was a
pretty hot spot, and I think there's

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been a lot of stuff that has
been closed down. You don't have the

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people don't have the freedom to go
in and out. I don't think I

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could even get up that road anymore. Of course, you go anywhere,

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and the locals have seen this these
animals or heard these stories, and they

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take it as just an everyday thing. But there was quite a bit activity.

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They have none thumbsters brought in,
so they had a portable dump,

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and these animals would get out there
and they'd get in the dump. I

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guess that was pretty common, and
they would get into the cattle feeders.

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They have great big cattle feeders.
Well the tops would pull off and they

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put the feed in them. They
would pull off the tops and get in

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and get the feed out of them, and it was just really real common

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for everybody now. But right there
in the middle of town there used to

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be a little store, and there
was a couple of cabins from in.

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There was a house for rent,
and there was a campground, and I

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think they still have their every fall. I think they had a still had

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a festival down there, and a
couple of my friends do a bunch of

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the work with it, but I
have not been back down there myself for

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quite a while now. There was
just an awful lot of activity. It

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seemed like all the times I had
not just a that area where I was,

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but all around the town. There
was something going on all the time.

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And there were I don't know,
three or four sightings around the week

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that I was down there. I
had been out. Actually I was in

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Arkansas the week before, and then
I was in Hornaby for about ten days,

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and then all my free time was
up. I was still working then,

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and I had to get back what
I shared done. If I'd had

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any brains at all and had a
little bit more time, or I should

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have made the time, I should
have gone back up to where we were

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and into the woods and really checked
it out real well. But I think

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that I got so excited. In
most everybody, I think would get awful

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excited that you just lose your common
sense. But since then, when something's

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happened, I searched for footprints and
hair and whatever and see if there's anything

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else around there. But I felt
pretty lucky that I had another person there

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to cite the same animals, so
I didn't. But and that brings up

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something else. Signing of that animal
by just about anybody is so unbelievable that

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it probably cut me three or four
months before I really believed that I'd seen

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it, and I kept telling myself. Finally I know, I saw it,

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was right there. It wasn't my
imagination and I actually saw this animal.

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But I've had a couple other times, a couple of other sightings where

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one of them it took me fifteen
years to finally admit in my own mind

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that I saw it, and another
one I really haven't had that I saw

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it. I don't crust my own
mind. I don't think. I'm not

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sure if what in my own mind
is if my mind's making up something or

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my mind crying too hard somebody.
Some people will try so hard and everything

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they see or everything they hear is
a bigfoot, and they don't stop and

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consider what's actually going on or what
could be causing what they're seeing or what

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they're looking at, and the first
thing that pops in their mind is bigfoot.

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And there's a lot of animals in
the woods, and some of them

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are pretty fantastic the things they can
do and think, Yeah, you have

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to stop and consider everything else,
and if you can't figure anything that could

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be causing what you're seeing, then
maybe it might be a big foot.

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And that's why I try to look
at it. I don't know if I

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answered your question or not. I
went around around there. I think those

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are you definitely need to have a
discerning mind as what I'm picking up.

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But going back to Hote a little
bit, so you said you went to

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that area because of some events that
happened, and it was talked about in

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Tom Powell's book. When you went
to that area to check things out for

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yourself, it sounds like did you
talk to anyone in the area about the

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events that had happened, not especially
the events from that book. Now,

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well, they went past. There
was one cabin where there was an awful

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lot of problems, and it was
set real close to the main road that

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came into there from the west,
and they were had bigfoot in and around

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and stealing deer out of the freezer. And I think one of the things

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that they had done they had for
some reason planted peas around there in the

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garden or in the yard, and
the deer came in and like the PE's

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the deer were eating the peas,
and then they were actually shooting at the

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deer and the bigfoot. See,
they thought the bigfoot learned that when they

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heard the shooting at the deer,
that meant that there were deer and feeding

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on the pieves in the yard,
and they'd come into the house and then

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into the area then and actually it
was a real small area and it was

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a real small cabin. But I
guess that they even got into the figured

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out how to get into the freezers. But I thought that that was really

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interesting. They associated the gunfire with
food, so it wasn't chasing them away,

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it was actually drawing them in.
Anyway. There was a cabin across

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the other way where they'd had some
things. I'll tell you one thing.

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There was one night several people had
the thermals and one guy called on the

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radio one night he said he had
a hot one. He said there was

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a big one. He said it
was up this tree, back by this

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other cabin that was to the south
of where we were. And so we

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hawked through it over there, and
it was hard because there was a lot

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of rough ground in this one area. We got over there, and what

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we found out is that he was
sitting back in there and he was looking

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up a power pole into transformer and
he was picking up all the heat off

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the transformer. And he thought we
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So that's just one of the things
that can happen. I'm mistaken, and

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everybody jumped to it and figure they
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They were just a transformer. That's
just a great example about you have

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people that are probably extremely amped up
about those events you were talking about.

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That is the siege at ho Nubby
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That's what you were referring to you
with the big foot trying to get the

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deer out of the refrigerators that were
on the cabin porch. I believe is

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how the story goes. But do
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that were sent to check it out, and do you remember what happened to

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the bigfoot at the end? I
don't know if the whole story exists in

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any one location. I guess I
could. Yeah, I had to be

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in this, Tom pout it.
You'd be as much as anything for you.

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Did it been the beginning what?
I haven't reviewed it or looked at

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it. I really don't know how
it ended up and how it is much

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later, but I think that they
did drive them off. I think I

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heard on a rumor or not that
a truck driver had seen one of the

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bigfoots that had been shot trying to
make it back up the woods and straight

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south from there was a small hill
and again they called a mountain. But

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I really don't know what I'll finally
happened there after that I've suld have tried

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to looked it up and reviewed that. It's been a long time since I've

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read that. And like I said, it's been seventeen years since this all

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happened to me, Harold, Who
were the individuals that you were with?

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Do you remember the individuals you were
with when you were out in the woods

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and you saw that head bobbing up
and down. Yeah, And I don't

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really use name one the one girl
that saw it also, she's passed away

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with cancer. She was a girl
from a girl from Indiana, real smart

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gal. And then there's guy from
Texas and he still works in the area

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and he supposedly had a lot of
sightings there. And I won't use his

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name either because I don't want to
draw any heat down on them. I

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don't use names too often. I
don't even like to people say, Okay,

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I respect that, yeah, but
and that really one reason is that

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I get as much information as I
get, even right here in Illinois,

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because people that I I were gonna
work with before they know I'm not gonna

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that I might want to tell I'm
not want to tell the story, but

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I'm not going to say who they
were or exactly where they were because we

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don't need we don't need people running
through their fields and the people bothered them.

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So I kind I kind of light
away from that, and that maybe

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takes away from some of some people
believe in some of the stories. But

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then that's that's too bad. I
wouldn't have the stories at all if I

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didn't do it that way, I
don't think, and I agree that's I

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think that's the right way to do
it. You need to be respectful of

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people's privacy. And I've had plenty
of stories where the person it gets out

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they had a bigfoot on their property
and then it's reporters and reporters back in

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the seventies. But yeah, you
have to be careful sometimes what info you

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get out. But thank you for
talking about the siege at Honabi and what

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you experienced after that time for a
bit there, Harold, do you mind

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if we take a little bit step
back. And we were talking before the

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show that you've been into Bigfoot for
an extremely long time, and do you

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mind if we take it all the
way back to the beginning and share what

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you remember from the very early days
and then go from there. I was

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born in forty seven, so I've
been around a long time. Man,

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I hope to be around. Why
yet, before I was ten, maybe

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by the time I was ad,
I can remember my dad used to bring

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home a newspaper, clippings, magazine
clippings, things like that. They would

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talk about somebody somewhere all this caveman
or somebody somewhere saw this ape or whatever.

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They didn't they didn't have a name
for yet, and of course there's

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been stories going back to I think
the seventeen hundreds. But he would bring

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stuff like that home, and he
was a pretty smart guy. He worked

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as he didn't have a degree,
but he worked as a chemist, and

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he would just always tell me,
then, know this this is true.

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We don't know anything about this,
this is real or what it is,

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but keep an open mind, because
if if you don't keep an open mind,

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you're never going to learn anything.
And so I was brought up that

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way, keep an open mind,
and so he would, I remember,

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if we threw out Miami triality,
he would bring stuff home like that.

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And then finally finally forgot about it. When I got a bit older and

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got through high school and got through
college, and I'm not sure how well

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I was, I finally realized that, hey, there's with the Internet and

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everything, there's a lot of people
gathering a lot of information. And I

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figured I would just start looking and
seeing what was out there. And I

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found hundreds and hundreds of books,
and so I got back into it.

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Then there when when I was a
little bit older, and like a lot

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of people, I ended up getting
divorced, and then I went paralyzed and

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I recovered from that, and I
started started taking some trips and talking to

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some people and built up a heck
of a library. And this is the

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thing, is you want to learn
anything, or research anything or whatever,

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you need to read everything that's out
there and find out what's been done and

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what's been done before you start mounching
around yourself, because there's no need to

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repeat everything that's been done. And
I learned fight a bit, and then

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I got hooked up for a few
years with the BFRO. I was an

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investigator for a few years them,
and then I started leading some of my

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own small groups and things in Illinois
here and they just build up from there.

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Let me say, but anyway,
I've I've had my mind on whether

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or not this animal exists for a
long time. And my dad passed away

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in ninety nine, and that sighting
was about two thousand and seven. That

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sighting I've told you about. And
I'd just give anything if he was still

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around, and I could go and
tell him about the things I've seen and

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the things that I know I've seen, and just to let him, just

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to let him know that there are
things out there. But I think he'd

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really enjoy he'd really enjoy finding out. And I found that over the years,

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I've had quite a few friends,
and I was able to separate out

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my good friends. I tell them
some of these stories to say, you,

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I saw it myself, and my
good friends would say that if you

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saw it, I believe it now. I talked to school for about five

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six years too, and now that
was before I started doing too much of

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this stuff. But I've had ex
students who tell me the same thing get

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in touch with me. And they
said, I always wonned about that animal,

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and you actually saw it. I
said, yeah, I actually saw

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it and I know it's there.
And they said, I tell them.

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I said, if you want to
go out me sometime, I could take

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you if you want to go,
And I said, no, if you

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say it. So I don't really
want to go. And a lot of

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people are interested, but they don't
want to go out at night and set

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in the field by themselves. And
I didn't understand that. If I answered

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that question or not, either,
Rich, I would say you did.

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We talked earlier that you are consider
you went to school for being a zoologist.

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I'm very curious, so your viewpoint
as a zoologist. How does a

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zoologist look at the creature called bigfoot? I'd say most of them just think

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it's a bunch of malarkey. Now, I've talked to some just recently from

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around the country that they're in the
BFRO and there's a lot of people that

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just don't know. And if I
hadn't seen it, I'm going to say

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more than once, I couldn't.
I couldn't be with myself. But there's

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something out there doesn't make any sense. There's a lot of things mostly that

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don't make any sense about how these
animals has lived and reproduced and there seems

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to be an awful lot of them
in certain areas and just biologically, just

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things just don't make sense. But
we're dealing with something here we don't know.

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We don't know what it is really, we don't know where it came

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from, and there's a lot of
theories. We don't know exactly what it

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is. And there's no experts on
this animal. And I know there's some

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people that think they are, but
you can't be an expert on an animal

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that's not even hasn't been proven to
exist. It's just everybody's got ideas and

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they passed the ideas around and it's
just hard to come up with anything,

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so I any any And Sharrett has
said that most of those wild just aren't

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going to believe in it. And
I think even eventually they come up with

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a with a good body, no
matter where they find it or where they

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put it, they're still not going
to believe it. It's going to be

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one of one of those things,
like everything is today, you can't believe

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anything you hear or see. It
seems, but I just tell myself,

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I saw it. I know I
saw it. I have to believe it.

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But I loved people before I pass
away. I love to figure out

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how it does exist, and those
are the things that it does. I

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just don't know. I just don't
know. It's a heck of a good

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mystery. I would wager to say
it's one of one of the best.

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And I hope before the end of
my time that there's some sort of definite

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answer that's finally able to be Maybe
there's a type specimen that's able to be

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taken, or I don't know,
whatever it would take. You all,

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just what do you think it would
take for this to finally be proven?

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Would it take DNA, a type
specimen? Like you said, is going

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to take a type specimen? There
have been all this DNA work that there

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were people talk about, but the
DNA works is not worth too much because

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we use different samples that came from
this area and that area in this animal

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not animal. It's all hearsay,
it's all heresay where the samples came from.

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You're going to have to have a
type specimen. You're don't have to

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take the same ap was off the
type specimen and run them and find out

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what it actually is. It's one
of the things that really drives me crazy.

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Just because they've run DNA test,
you don't know where the samples came

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from. You haven't got anything.
And I know a lot of people that's

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going to upset a lot of people
too, But that's just how it is.

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We've got to use science, and
then they need to use science and

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scientific methods to get this thing figured
out. But if it even can be

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figured out, I don't know.
It's a lot. Like I said,

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I've been looking into it a long
time now, and about the best we

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can do is hope to see it
now and then. But until we have

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you on, until we have a
type specimen of the type of animal to

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actually run test on, it's just
not gonna nothing's going to count. I

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guess the way to put it.
Sure, so you know where it's coming

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from. It doesn't mean anything.
Harold reminded me, were you actively your

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relation to bigfoot research? What was
it in the ninth teen seventies? Was

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the existent at all? Not a
lot in the nineteen seventies When I mentioned

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the Bigfoot festival down in southern Illinois
that happened fifty fifty one years ago today,

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And I guess it got a lot
of it, got a lot of

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advertisement, publication around the world and
stuff. But I was working as a

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chemist two miles from whatere, I'm
said today, and all through all that

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I didn't even hear about it.
I didn't even know about it, Okay,

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But about to the seventies and whatever. Actually, I was still teaching,

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doing some things, trying to raise
the family, and I had my

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head a lot of other places.
But I'm just just taking up some things

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here and there. And there's timing
in a guy's life that he's got to

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be raising the family and worrying about
that. And I guess I had where

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I had my head makes sense,
totally got it. So we talked earlier.

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You've spent a lot of time researching
Bigfoot in Illinois, which is where

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you're based out of, and I've
been able to talk to a few people

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from Illinois I've talked to. There's
definitely some things going on northeast of Peoria,

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in the northern part of the state. There's the Shawnee area down in

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the south part of the state,
and you've got a little Egypt and all

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that good stuff down there. But
what has your research been like in the

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state over the years. Okay,
when I go, I've spent as much

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time in a Shawnee as I can. And basically in Illinois, if you're

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not in the Shawnee, you're someplace
where you probably haven't got permission to be

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That's a big thing. If you
get out of park ground the public around

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in Illinois, do you just haven't
that permission to be there. So I

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spend a lot of time in the
Movie Boo area on that side of the

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state and the south about as far
as you can drive down through down to

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Jonesboro and even further. And then
I go over to Harrisburg and south from

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Harrisburg, and I've got a little
private park down there that I use.

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It's Williams Hill Pass. I use
that a lot and always have something really

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strange and really something really stands out
every time I go down there. And

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sometimes an awful lot of stuff happens
down there. A lot of stuff happens

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at Murphysboro. I cannot sometimes decide
when I have a few days where I

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want to go, because both those
areas are good. And the thing is,

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there's a lot of ground down there
that you can you can get on.

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Now. I've brought ten, fifteen
to twenty BFR investigators right up here

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to Montgomery County to Hillsboro and try
to do some things up here too.

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I can't keep them off the private
ground. I'll have ground, but I

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have permission to use. But I
don't know. Maybe they're just not used

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to keep the people being protected whether
they have their ground. You just you've

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got to treat these farmers nice.
They've got to lunch them. Maybe sometimes

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you got to shoot a few coyotes
to get permission to get on there and

408
00:31:22.559 --> 00:31:27.359
do anything. Except if they think
they've got something, they'll call you and

409
00:31:27.480 --> 00:31:33.519
ask me to come down and look. But the big thing is who owns

410
00:31:33.559 --> 00:31:37.319
the ground and do I have permission
to get on it? And now,

411
00:31:37.400 --> 00:31:42.799
like I said, I'm in Hillsboro
and I have a lot of sightings.

412
00:31:44.160 --> 00:31:47.799
Day's lot, an awful lot of
them, which is funny. And do

413
00:31:47.920 --> 00:31:52.680
all that go back maybe thirty five
years all around this town. From where

414
00:31:52.720 --> 00:31:57.359
I'm sitting right now, I could
go six seven miles north or south and

415
00:31:57.880 --> 00:32:01.799
be in areas where there's been three
or four sidings. I could go east

416
00:32:01.839 --> 00:32:07.720
and west and not quite as many
sightings The thing about Hillbroy here is I

417
00:32:07.759 --> 00:32:12.240
think that makes it so good.
We've got the Shoal Creek that's called and

418
00:32:12.359 --> 00:32:19.799
it's three branch creek, and Hillbrow
sets at the top of the branches between

419
00:32:19.920 --> 00:32:27.480
the east branch and the middle fork. The middle branch, and then Lynchfield

420
00:32:27.599 --> 00:32:35.480
is eight miles to the west,
and there's another branch with it's Sharper and

421
00:32:35.720 --> 00:32:40.079
it joins into the middle branch after
just maybe ten miles. The thing with

422
00:32:40.240 --> 00:32:46.319
me, we've got again being it's
all privately on ground, but we've got

423
00:32:46.920 --> 00:32:52.039
water and lots of food, and
with these three creek branch, I think

424
00:32:52.079 --> 00:32:55.680
it's really it's just ideal for something
like this. And I guess I'm lucky

425
00:32:55.720 --> 00:33:00.039
that I was raised and brought up
here, and you've got a few living

426
00:33:00.119 --> 00:33:04.480
relatives, and I know a lot
of people, and I can get on

427
00:33:04.599 --> 00:33:07.759
this ground and the people help me, and people will cooperate with me,

428
00:33:08.680 --> 00:33:13.480
and the people that don't even know
me know of me. And when something

429
00:33:13.599 --> 00:33:21.039
happens, I get telephone calls,
and for I don't use any computer communication

430
00:33:21.160 --> 00:33:25.119
of any sort or whatever really anymore, and I just don't I just don't

431
00:33:25.160 --> 00:33:32.440
get involved with that. I just
use regular old telephones and what business cards.

432
00:33:32.599 --> 00:33:37.720
And I'm really surprised that the number
of people that do get a hold

433
00:33:37.759 --> 00:33:42.079
of me. And a lot of
people, well, there's two things.

434
00:33:42.119 --> 00:33:45.079
A lot of people I want to
know if they've got something going on in

435
00:33:45.160 --> 00:33:50.680
their property and think, man,
there's something scrange out here, and they

436
00:33:50.759 --> 00:33:53.319
call me and I go out and
I try to look inside what I think

437
00:33:53.400 --> 00:33:58.039
from what I can see, if
they have got something that strange on the

438
00:33:58.160 --> 00:34:01.759
property. And then there's people that
don't really want you on the property,

439
00:34:02.960 --> 00:34:07.480
but they've been scared of something.
They say something's not right in the woods,

440
00:34:08.199 --> 00:34:13.519
so I try to help them.
Then it's plus maybe the biggest thing,

441
00:34:13.800 --> 00:34:17.280
if they've seen something or had something
going on, they're afraid to say

442
00:34:17.320 --> 00:34:22.840
it, to tell anybody. I've
had guys that wouldn't even tell their wives

443
00:34:22.679 --> 00:34:28.159
that they've seen something. But if
they call me time they call me,

444
00:34:28.280 --> 00:34:31.480
they know that, like we already
said, I'm not going to be giving

445
00:34:31.559 --> 00:34:36.440
up their name or where they live
or their property or what they've seen so

446
00:34:36.599 --> 00:34:42.079
they can be identified. And between
those two things, I think that makes

447
00:34:42.119 --> 00:34:45.159
a lot of difference. But down
southern Illinois, you've got an awful,

448
00:34:45.440 --> 00:34:50.760
an awful lot of ground, but
it's in the Shawnee. It's botty.

449
00:34:51.000 --> 00:34:55.599
You have to be careful. But
that's the thing. I respect everybody's ground,

450
00:34:55.679 --> 00:35:00.239
everybody's property. And if I'm with
people, I back there and I

451
00:35:00.360 --> 00:35:05.920
do one people, I say,
don't cross those senses and bother anything to

452
00:35:06.039 --> 00:35:09.039
take care of this place, just
like if you want it. And if

453
00:35:09.079 --> 00:35:13.920
they do that, we're fine.
But I have had some people get in

454
00:35:14.000 --> 00:35:17.039
trouble because they just don't think they
have to worry about getting on anybody else's

455
00:35:17.079 --> 00:35:23.760
property. But anyway, that's a
big difference between between north and South available

456
00:35:23.800 --> 00:35:29.599
property over the years. Did you
ever do any research up in Iowa?

457
00:35:30.320 --> 00:35:34.920
Just curious. I've been to Iowa
a couple of times. I had a

458
00:35:35.000 --> 00:35:37.280
friend that I can't think where he
is now, But I haven't been there

459
00:35:37.360 --> 00:35:44.079
for years now, and I've gone
up there to a couple of park areas.

460
00:35:44.440 --> 00:35:46.599
I'd have to get out the map
and see it and into some old

461
00:35:46.639 --> 00:35:52.440
notes to see where I even was
now. But I have cast one or

462
00:35:52.480 --> 00:35:57.239
two prints in Iowa in one of
the park I remember that. But one

463
00:35:57.239 --> 00:35:59.559
of the guys that I used to
go up with, he was kind of

464
00:35:59.719 --> 00:36:05.000
every everything's a bigfoot, sure,
and I don't. I'm my actually the

465
00:36:05.119 --> 00:36:07.039
other way. There may be something
there, but it probably not a big

466
00:36:07.119 --> 00:36:10.679
foot. There's a lot of animals
in the woods of all sizes and shape.

467
00:36:12.239 --> 00:36:16.280
And of course I hunt and fifth
and a hunt and ski and about

468
00:36:16.280 --> 00:36:20.840
any outdoor sport you can do.
You'll say, I'll be seventy seven in

469
00:36:20.920 --> 00:36:23.480
a couple of months. I felt
my life doing all that kind of stuff,

470
00:36:24.360 --> 00:36:30.920
tiled hunting and just about it.
Everything. So I've been in the

471
00:36:30.000 --> 00:36:37.280
woods a lot and seen a lot, and people, a lot of people

472
00:36:37.360 --> 00:36:42.119
in some of the bigfoot organizations say
if you're if you're a hunter or you

473
00:36:42.320 --> 00:36:45.039
look like a hunter in the woods, you're not going to see anything because

474
00:36:45.599 --> 00:36:50.760
you're going to scare it all off. And I tell them, if you're

475
00:36:50.800 --> 00:36:54.679
a hunter or a real outdoors many
you know what's in the outdoors and you

476
00:36:54.760 --> 00:36:59.360
don't jump in every single thing and
say it's a big foot. And that's

477
00:37:00.400 --> 00:37:06.119
that is a difference. And you
know what what you're looking at, what's

478
00:37:06.199 --> 00:37:10.599
around. It's the things that you
don't know that you can't figure out that

479
00:37:10.760 --> 00:37:15.760
really spook you. Like I thing
I watched it forty feet away from me

480
00:37:15.800 --> 00:37:19.599
in the middle of like that.
That kind of spooked me. If you

481
00:37:19.679 --> 00:37:23.320
ever get the chance to look through
your notes and you happen to find where

482
00:37:23.400 --> 00:37:30.119
you cast those tracks at in the
wherever it was in Iowa, I'd be

483
00:37:30.199 --> 00:37:34.719
curious to know. I'm from just
outside of central Iowa myself to the west,

484
00:37:34.920 --> 00:37:38.760
so trying to find all the historical
info about what's happened in the state.

485
00:37:39.000 --> 00:37:45.880
But I think I was more more
northern. It's marked on It's at

486
00:37:46.000 --> 00:37:49.639
least marked on a map or something
somewhere. And I used to a lot

487
00:37:49.679 --> 00:37:54.559
of times keep a notebook for almost
every trip. I took like a three

488
00:37:54.639 --> 00:37:59.880
leagues book. And it's back when
I was making those trips, I had

489
00:38:00.039 --> 00:38:02.199
I was sick. I had I
went through a period where I had bad

490
00:38:02.280 --> 00:38:07.960
pancreash infections and and I had I
had three times, three types of cancer.

491
00:38:09.400 --> 00:38:14.639
And so I've been really lucky.
And the knock on what I need

492
00:38:14.719 --> 00:38:17.599
to go in for another cancer test
here real soon, and I hate to

493
00:38:17.679 --> 00:38:22.360
do it, sure because I don't
want to find anymore. But yeah,

494
00:38:22.480 --> 00:38:24.800
that was I was. I remember
the last time I went to Iowa,

495
00:38:25.599 --> 00:38:30.079
I was sick. But I'm pretty
sure I know. I was with north

496
00:38:30.119 --> 00:38:35.559
of Ceedar Rapids. Yeah, that's
a really squatchy area up there. Yeah.

497
00:38:36.039 --> 00:38:38.039
Yeah, when you get up in
there. I was Martha there and

498
00:38:38.280 --> 00:38:43.639
maybe I was a little bit west
of there. Yeah, but yeah,

499
00:38:43.679 --> 00:38:47.000
if I run across it, I'll
do that. Now I have got one

500
00:38:47.039 --> 00:38:52.519
of these days I need to get
with you. I've got another story that

501
00:38:52.320 --> 00:38:58.800
I don't talk about. It happened
before this one I was talking about tonight.

502
00:38:59.559 --> 00:39:05.800
It's more or less gets you into
paranormal bigfoot, sure, which being

503
00:39:05.840 --> 00:39:10.639
a scientist, I've always tried to
stay away from that. But what I've

504
00:39:10.760 --> 00:39:16.719
learned is, overall these years,
say you really can't stay away from it.

505
00:39:17.639 --> 00:39:23.000
I don't pay that much attention to
a lot of the really strange things.

506
00:39:23.320 --> 00:39:27.719
But when I was with the BFR. See, BFRO has a special

507
00:39:27.840 --> 00:39:35.480
file. If somebody mentions in their
bigfoot story get into a paranormal type things,

508
00:39:35.639 --> 00:39:39.440
or says where they got out of
a spaceship or something weird, We've

509
00:39:39.480 --> 00:39:43.679
got a file that we just put
them in, so there should be all

510
00:39:43.840 --> 00:39:49.039
saved, but it's full of really
weird stuff. I gave you a name

511
00:39:49.119 --> 00:39:52.760
one day we were talking. Carter
Bochard did you ever get a hold of

512
00:39:52.840 --> 00:39:59.320
him. He's on the list of
people I know he's got multiple books that

513
00:39:59.440 --> 00:40:05.440
are supposed to be very good reads, but he is, and he's writing

514
00:40:05.480 --> 00:40:09.679
another one right now. And he
started BFRO. I was already with him

515
00:40:09.719 --> 00:40:14.719
for a while, but he started
with him, and he was one of

516
00:40:14.800 --> 00:40:17.119
the guys that would come up here
to Illinois and do some things. And

517
00:40:17.639 --> 00:40:22.400
we haven't been together for a little
bit, but he's had so much I

518
00:40:22.440 --> 00:40:27.480
don't know what I called paranormal.
I've just called for so much stuff that

519
00:40:27.559 --> 00:40:30.559
he's That's where he started spending time. Instead of just throwing him out,

520
00:40:31.280 --> 00:40:35.840
he started going more and more into
this stuff, and that's where all his

521
00:40:35.920 --> 00:40:39.719
books have pretty much come from.
I guess the book that he's finishing up

522
00:40:39.800 --> 00:40:46.480
right now, it's basically about habituations, but the others and actually the others

523
00:40:46.920 --> 00:40:51.880
he wrote three books, but he
wrote but one of them that he wrote,

524
00:40:52.880 --> 00:40:55.880
he went back into it and added
a bunch of stuff. So there's

525
00:40:57.199 --> 00:41:00.400
a new volume of under the same
book. But yeah, he lives all

526
00:41:00.480 --> 00:41:05.760
by Kansas City, and you get
ahold of get a hold of him and

527
00:41:05.920 --> 00:41:07.480
tell him where he got his name, and he's he does a lot of

528
00:41:07.719 --> 00:41:13.159
He does a lot of podcasts,
and he's not like you said, he

529
00:41:13.199 --> 00:41:15.599
writes some good books and stuff.
So now I got off of whatever I

530
00:41:15.719 --> 00:41:21.880
was talking about. Where was I? It feels like a few times during

531
00:41:22.039 --> 00:41:27.719
the interviews so far, it feels
like there's something that you've experienced that you

532
00:41:27.840 --> 00:41:30.639
want to share, but you're very
I don't know if I want to share

533
00:41:30.679 --> 00:41:35.800
it, but it feels like you
want to share something. That other story

534
00:41:35.880 --> 00:41:40.519
that I just mentioned that happened down
in Mina, Arkansas, and like ten

535
00:41:40.639 --> 00:41:44.519
days before that one I talked about. But I don't know how long it

536
00:41:44.559 --> 00:41:47.840
would really take for me to tell
that story. I've only really told it

537
00:41:49.599 --> 00:41:55.159
once and it's at least it'll be
seventeen years ago too. You have only

538
00:41:55.280 --> 00:42:00.440
told it once and I put it. You say you found this story on

539
00:42:00.599 --> 00:42:06.800
Facebook. It's on Facebook also,
and I told it even a couple of

540
00:42:06.880 --> 00:42:13.320
my friends. I said, I'm
having trouble leaving that story. I said,

541
00:42:13.320 --> 00:42:16.239
that's why I've never told you anybody
were all these years because strange.

542
00:42:16.239 --> 00:42:21.599
And I don't know if you want
to do it another time or it's up

543
00:42:21.639 --> 00:42:24.159
to you. But I do have
the time now and it might be one

544
00:42:24.159 --> 00:42:28.559
of the things where we're both on
the same call now and if you've got

545
00:42:28.599 --> 00:42:31.000
a few minutes, but up to
you, I want to respect your time,

546
00:42:31.119 --> 00:42:36.239
of course. Yeah, I don't
even know what time is. It's

547
00:42:36.480 --> 00:42:39.960
nine thirty, is it okay?
About nine thirty? And you usually run

548
00:42:40.039 --> 00:42:44.599
the ten, don't you give or
take? But I would love to be

549
00:42:44.719 --> 00:42:47.920
able to have you share your story
if you're cool with that. Yeah,

550
00:42:49.039 --> 00:42:52.880
let's try it. Like I said, it's even with some of my friends

551
00:42:52.320 --> 00:42:57.199
may just have trouble with it,
but we're getting into the paranormal stuff here.

552
00:42:57.719 --> 00:43:04.400
Yeah, no judgment here, harold
you. Yeah. Yeah. There

553
00:43:04.400 --> 00:43:07.840
another like a couple of big foot
guys making fun of flying saucers or anything.

554
00:43:08.199 --> 00:43:10.800
Nothing work, some big foot guy
making fun of each other. This

555
00:43:12.079 --> 00:43:16.159
was I think it was south of
Mina, and of course act just the

556
00:43:16.199 --> 00:43:22.159
hopskiff and a jump from where I
was in Oklahoma. I started out at

557
00:43:22.239 --> 00:43:27.960
Mina, me and some other people
and the strangers dogone deal. Didn't really

558
00:43:28.039 --> 00:43:34.599
have any plan or whatever. But
one of the guys were in Walmart and

559
00:43:35.079 --> 00:43:37.199
most of us were just sitting in
the parking line, and one of the

560
00:43:37.280 --> 00:43:40.760
guys went in to get something in
Walmart at Mina and ran into this gal

561
00:43:42.639 --> 00:43:46.360
there was talking bigfoot. So we
got hooked up with her, and she

562
00:43:46.559 --> 00:43:52.039
had a little bitty place down I
think it had to be south, tucked

563
00:43:52.119 --> 00:43:57.360
back in there at the base of
the mountain. And she said she even

564
00:43:57.480 --> 00:44:01.280
had was an old school bus in
a woods, and the Bigfoot a lot

565
00:44:01.320 --> 00:44:06.719
of the time stayed in the school
bus for should in the winter. That's

566
00:44:06.760 --> 00:44:12.079
okay. Anyway, This one night, me and a guy from Kentucky and

567
00:44:12.679 --> 00:44:20.159
a woman from north then northwest of
Kansas City. He had a van,

568
00:44:20.960 --> 00:44:24.519
and we're all old. They're both
old. Me I was about sixty then,

569
00:44:25.280 --> 00:44:30.159
and we went down by her place
back in the woods. And this

570
00:44:30.400 --> 00:44:36.800
was the darkest place I think I
ever saw, or ever was at.

571
00:44:37.159 --> 00:44:39.639
And maybe it wasn't that dark,
it was close to it. This place

572
00:44:39.840 --> 00:44:44.599
was dark. So we went down
the road, passed her place, and

573
00:44:44.719 --> 00:44:49.440
we pulled off and took the van, took it back in a little bit,

574
00:44:49.599 --> 00:44:55.039
and then me and the older guy
we got out, and she says,

575
00:44:57.280 --> 00:45:00.480
I don't really feel good about getting
out here, think, oh,

576
00:45:00.880 --> 00:45:02.360
lock the doors of the van here, and I'll stay in the van and

577
00:45:02.440 --> 00:45:07.079
wait for you guys. And so
that's what we did, me and him.

578
00:45:07.119 --> 00:45:09.679
We walked back down the road the
direction we'd come from, somewhere between

579
00:45:09.719 --> 00:45:13.760
that a quarter and a half.
We went too far down, but we

580
00:45:14.159 --> 00:45:19.880
walked down and we were in this
gatherled inviterers down. We were in her

581
00:45:20.000 --> 00:45:24.320
driveway and the man, it was
dark and we weren't there too long,

582
00:45:25.039 --> 00:45:32.760
and this horrendous stream come from the
mountains just off the road to our Belboti

583
00:45:32.760 --> 00:45:37.400
Street would still be in to our
south, and it wasn't too far away,

584
00:45:37.480 --> 00:45:39.519
but it was so loud and so
scary. I still never heard anything

585
00:45:39.719 --> 00:45:45.199
like it in the woods or whatever. This was an awful screen. We

586
00:45:45.440 --> 00:45:50.239
both we backed up maybe twenty feet
into her driveway to get away, because

587
00:45:50.440 --> 00:45:52.559
you seen, boy, something was
going to pop out of the woods and

588
00:45:53.000 --> 00:45:55.880
it was going to be awful.
So we stood there as long as we

589
00:45:55.960 --> 00:46:00.280
could. And I'm looking down the
road back towards van. I can't I'm

590
00:46:00.320 --> 00:46:04.519
far and afway, I can't see
the van, and it's dark. I

591
00:46:04.719 --> 00:46:08.039
see this great, big white thing
across the ditch, come out of the

592
00:46:08.119 --> 00:46:13.159
woods on the mountain side, and
he gets in the road and he starts

593
00:46:13.239 --> 00:46:16.480
walking towards us. Like I said, we're a little bit back off of

594
00:46:16.559 --> 00:46:22.199
it, though, And I tell
this this other friend mineus. His name

595
00:46:22.320 --> 00:46:25.000
was war I don't even know.
I don't think he's alive anymore. I

596
00:46:25.039 --> 00:46:29.079
said, hey, that's going to
almost run into us. It's coming straight

597
00:46:29.119 --> 00:46:32.400
at us. And he says what
I said. It's big and white and

598
00:46:32.440 --> 00:46:36.840
it looks like a big foot to
me. And he says, I don't

599
00:46:36.880 --> 00:46:40.880
see nothing. He said, you're
imagining. And I said, arty,

600
00:46:40.920 --> 00:46:45.840
it's coming right at us. And
this was scary from my point of view.

601
00:46:45.880 --> 00:46:50.320
I'm watching this and what do we
do? So we backed up a

602
00:46:50.360 --> 00:46:53.760
little bit more and before it got
to us, I'm chattering away about this

603
00:46:53.920 --> 00:46:59.639
thing coming at us. For it
got to us, it turned, jumped

604
00:46:59.679 --> 00:47:04.400
back across the ditch and started walking
up the mountain, and I sa,

605
00:47:04.519 --> 00:47:08.519
oh man, and he still didn't
see it. He finally convinced me that

606
00:47:08.639 --> 00:47:14.199
I was half crazy and that there
was nothing there. But back then I

607
00:47:14.280 --> 00:47:17.440
still had pretty good eyesight and pretty
good hearing, and he was out.

608
00:47:17.559 --> 00:47:22.400
He was finding the bad and death
too, so I don't know. Anyway,

609
00:47:23.159 --> 00:47:28.480
We stayed down there quite a while
and we finally walked back to the

610
00:47:28.599 --> 00:47:34.400
van and here'y word really gets crazy. I was excited about seeing this thing,

611
00:47:35.159 --> 00:47:37.519
and I tell the gal been setting
in this van, start to tell

612
00:47:37.559 --> 00:47:43.559
her about what I saw, and
she jumps in. She says, I

613
00:47:43.639 --> 00:47:47.480
gotta tell you. I got to
tell you what I saw. He says.

614
00:47:47.559 --> 00:47:51.719
I'm sitting here in the van,
in the back seat, and all

615
00:47:51.760 --> 00:47:59.039
of a sudden, this white bigfoot
materialized or appeared, setting in the front

616
00:47:59.079 --> 00:48:01.880
seat. It was sitting there,
and I said, look out the window,

617
00:48:02.400 --> 00:48:06.320
and there's a little bitty one and
it's white also, and it's running

618
00:48:06.360 --> 00:48:10.559
around outside of the vans. And
here's where you think about the whole thing.

619
00:48:10.599 --> 00:48:15.320
It really gets funny. I hadn't
told her my story about it.

620
00:48:15.440 --> 00:48:17.239
I saw a white one down there. I saw the big white one too.

621
00:48:17.519 --> 00:48:22.079
Anyway, we started making fun of
her. We made food, guys

622
00:48:22.159 --> 00:48:27.599
making fun of each other, and
she got upset, really got upset,

623
00:48:27.760 --> 00:48:31.840
and we quit and I forgot about
it. This guy was good, and

624
00:48:31.960 --> 00:48:36.960
she's straight, she wasn't drinking,
she wasn't on drugs. But she saw

625
00:48:37.079 --> 00:48:39.280
this thing materialized right in front of
her and sat there for a while,

626
00:48:40.039 --> 00:48:46.760
kind of looked at her, and
then it just disappeared. And I wasn't

627
00:48:46.840 --> 00:48:50.960
making fun of her. Wasn't really
heavy about it, and so she's a

628
00:48:51.000 --> 00:48:55.599
real nice gal and I like her. And we were actually sitting there making

629
00:48:55.639 --> 00:49:01.800
fun of each other and what we
saw. And it was a couple other

630
00:49:01.880 --> 00:49:05.639
guys around, and they heard about
what I saw this and that the other

631
00:49:05.800 --> 00:49:08.360
night, and I did, and
I denied it. I didn't rest of

632
00:49:08.360 --> 00:49:12.000
the time. I was wrong anybody. I said, now, if I

633
00:49:12.079 --> 00:49:15.559
had seen that, I just well, Walt says, I'm just seeing something

634
00:49:15.639 --> 00:49:19.280
else. And these guys, I
was telling them this too. They said,

635
00:49:19.280 --> 00:49:21.920
if you say you saw something,
and Walt said you didn't, we'll

636
00:49:21.960 --> 00:49:24.440
believe you for blake walk because we
think you could have. Well, like

637
00:49:24.519 --> 00:49:28.360
I said, I was still a
little bit younger, still could see and

638
00:49:28.559 --> 00:49:32.239
still could hear anyway, bluffed at
that, and I just more or less

639
00:49:32.280 --> 00:49:37.079
denied it. It was probably a
couple of months before I was setting down

640
00:49:37.159 --> 00:49:43.079
one day and I just happened to
think, I saw why one coming down

641
00:49:43.119 --> 00:49:47.480
the road she saw why wouldn't materialize
in the van. I wonder what's going

642
00:49:47.519 --> 00:49:52.360
on here? And like I said, I thought about it. It was

643
00:49:52.119 --> 00:49:57.840
sixteen seventeen years I thought about it, And it's one of those twenty five

644
00:49:57.960 --> 00:50:02.039
stories that I put on Facebook,
and it's just when I just I just

645
00:50:02.320 --> 00:50:07.119
forget about it because Walt told me
I didn't see anything, and I don't

646
00:50:07.159 --> 00:50:12.039
know. I don't know the fact
that what she saw was white and what

647
00:50:12.199 --> 00:50:15.800
I was seeing was white. Now, I did not see a small and

648
00:50:15.960 --> 00:50:19.800
a baby or whatever, coddler or
whatever you want to call it, but

649
00:50:19.920 --> 00:50:22.960
I don't know. Nere in mind, that's got to be one of the

650
00:50:22.039 --> 00:50:25.920
weirdest bigfoot stories you ever heard.
It's up there, Harold, and it's

651
00:50:25.960 --> 00:50:31.480
awesome. So the way I think
that is, I have my personally,

652
00:50:31.639 --> 00:50:37.360
but we haven't proven what it can
do or what exactly it is yet.

653
00:50:37.039 --> 00:50:44.760
And the end of the day,
your friend saw a white bigfoot materialize inside

654
00:50:44.800 --> 00:50:47.119
that vehicle, and that's wild,
and I don't know how you can explain

655
00:50:47.239 --> 00:50:51.800
that away. Right. No,
she's not, like I said, she's

656
00:50:51.800 --> 00:50:55.480
not crazy at all or anything.
And I haven't seen her for quite a

657
00:50:55.519 --> 00:51:00.079
while. Far as I know,
she's still alive. She does puts and

658
00:51:00.119 --> 00:51:04.039
stuff on Facebook now and then does
see why I don't talk about it,

659
00:51:04.800 --> 00:51:09.360
Sure you know too much. It's
but that's an example of three bigfoot people

660
00:51:09.440 --> 00:51:13.800
making fun of each other, which
is funny in itself, But sure,

661
00:51:14.360 --> 00:51:17.119
is this something where you're and I
know you said it's south of Mina,

662
00:51:17.480 --> 00:51:24.079
Arkansas, just because it's interesting when
listeners hear something and then maybe someone else

663
00:51:24.159 --> 00:51:30.000
has experienced something to do with the
white Bigfoot materializing in that same area.

664
00:51:30.159 --> 00:51:35.079
Are there any other things you can
say about the mountain or do we have

665
00:51:35.239 --> 00:51:39.039
to keep it very vague as to
its somewhere self. That's one of those

666
00:51:39.119 --> 00:51:45.159
things. I would have to sure
do some research on it too. I

667
00:51:45.280 --> 00:51:49.079
hear you to find exactly if she's
not too far off one of the main

668
00:51:49.239 --> 00:51:52.800
highway down there, and I think
you south, Amina, I'm pretty sure

669
00:51:52.880 --> 00:51:54.800
that. But I talked to her. She had a son, to a

670
00:51:54.880 --> 00:52:00.079
teenage son, and I talked to
him about what was going on with a

671
00:52:00.119 --> 00:52:04.079
big foot that she said stayed in
the school bus and he says, yeah,

672
00:52:04.119 --> 00:52:07.119
they do. And he says,
I guess they'd also been feeding them

673
00:52:07.119 --> 00:52:10.519
and they would come along and they
hit the house and hardenoughod that would knock

674
00:52:10.519 --> 00:52:15.960
stuff off the walls and things one
food and so she's had a problem around

675
00:52:16.000 --> 00:52:20.719
there. But most of the people
out with were associated with with the bfr

676
00:52:21.679 --> 00:52:27.840
BFRO and she hated the BFRO and
that's it was just a strange deal that

677
00:52:27.960 --> 00:52:31.920
we that she ended up inviting us
over there to take a look. I

678
00:52:32.000 --> 00:52:36.119
guess that's when you get people that
will listen to you and believe you.

679
00:52:36.440 --> 00:52:39.440
It doesn't make a lot of difference. That's one of the neatest things we

680
00:52:39.599 --> 00:52:45.719
do is as investigators, do everything
we can to believe people. Now,

681
00:52:45.840 --> 00:52:51.880
those are the two best stories I've
got. And and like I said,

682
00:52:51.920 --> 00:52:54.599
that last one, I just haven't
told the heck the lost. Maybe I

683
00:52:54.639 --> 00:52:58.920
can figure out where that is so
I could come real close. I'm not

684
00:52:59.000 --> 00:53:01.960
sure what they call those men mountains
if those are the I was sinking the

685
00:53:02.039 --> 00:53:06.960
White Mountains, but I don't know. But yeah, that story there I

686
00:53:07.320 --> 00:53:09.400
love. So it took me fifteen
years to even think about telling at all.

687
00:53:10.360 --> 00:53:15.000
It didn't lose me any friends or
whatever, but they maybe shut their

688
00:53:15.079 --> 00:53:17.519
brief in me a little bit.
But anyway, that's some kind of junk

689
00:53:17.559 --> 00:53:22.639
that my friend Carter is in two
of those first three books, some Things,

690
00:53:22.679 --> 00:53:27.679
and he comes over here. There
are some spots down around Jonesboro and

691
00:53:27.800 --> 00:53:32.119
the Trailer Tears Park that we've hit
a few times, and there's there's one

692
00:53:32.320 --> 00:53:39.119
spot down there south for the trailer
teers Park area, and the locals down

693
00:53:39.159 --> 00:53:44.159
there say they won't go into it
after dark, and we haven't been into

694
00:53:44.239 --> 00:53:46.679
it too much, but when we've
been in if there's something strange happening there.

695
00:53:47.440 --> 00:53:52.440
But again, you don't know.
I didn't used to be afraid going

696
00:53:52.519 --> 00:53:55.920
into the to the woods or by
myself, and that's usually how I do.

697
00:53:57.039 --> 00:54:00.800
I go by myself and in the
dark. I didn't used to be

698
00:54:00.960 --> 00:54:06.719
but I've seen some things over the
last few years and I really is someplace

699
00:54:06.840 --> 00:54:09.239
I really don't want to I don't
feel good about going into. Like I

700
00:54:09.280 --> 00:54:14.760
said, basically, by myself.
I don't know that. David Ladies is

701
00:54:14.880 --> 00:54:19.119
book four one one make you think
once in a while, and imagine you've

702
00:54:19.119 --> 00:54:23.199
probably read them right, Oh,
yeah, you definitely want to be cautious

703
00:54:23.239 --> 00:54:28.239
and aware, especially if you're going
in the woods by yourself and let people

704
00:54:28.400 --> 00:54:31.000
know where you're going and all that
good stuff that you know. But it

705
00:54:31.159 --> 00:54:36.480
sounds like you saw some weird stuff
and that made you think twice about going

706
00:54:36.559 --> 00:54:40.239
into the woods that sometimes. Yeah, And I've had that even around here,

707
00:54:40.440 --> 00:54:45.000
some spots that I've been to an
awful lot. One of them just

708
00:54:45.239 --> 00:54:49.360
a few miles from here. I
went down one night and I couldn't make

709
00:54:49.400 --> 00:54:52.840
myself get out of the car.
I couldn't get out at all. And

710
00:54:52.159 --> 00:54:57.760
I said in the car there probably
twenty minutes and I finally left, and

711
00:54:57.920 --> 00:55:02.039
it spoo me that wasn't just all
in my mind was there's something telling me

712
00:55:02.159 --> 00:55:07.039
not to get out. And I've
been down to the same spot. And

713
00:55:07.400 --> 00:55:09.400
the one time I remember and got
out of my car and did a wooden

714
00:55:09.440 --> 00:55:14.199
knock and got a wood knock.
I'm on an old road that ends of

715
00:55:14.280 --> 00:55:16.960
that dead end. I had a
bridge that's been torn out, and I

716
00:55:17.039 --> 00:55:22.679
got out of my car, did
some wood knocks and got answers right there,

717
00:55:22.719 --> 00:55:25.440
almost in top of me. And
I waited awhile and did some more

718
00:55:25.480 --> 00:55:30.360
knocks, and I got more answers, maybe two or three times further away,

719
00:55:31.000 --> 00:55:35.039
and I said, wow. And
I'm down here by myself. So

720
00:55:35.199 --> 00:55:37.960
I don't know, Like I said, I didn't used to be afraid at

721
00:55:37.000 --> 00:55:40.119
all. My dad was. He
was, of course, a World War

722
00:55:40.199 --> 00:55:44.280
Two veteran, and I didn't dare
tell him if I got scared in the

723
00:55:44.320 --> 00:55:49.639
woods or at dark walking home or
whatever. Because he let me know is

724
00:55:49.679 --> 00:55:52.119
there's nothing in that woods that can
hurt you. And he was wrong.

725
00:55:52.679 --> 00:55:57.599
I know he was wrong. Yeah, but yeah, he's something else.

726
00:55:58.239 --> 00:56:02.440
What else you got for me,
Harold? It's been a fantastic conversation and

727
00:56:04.079 --> 00:56:07.800
I just want to I just want
to thank you for coming on sharing your

728
00:56:07.840 --> 00:56:10.320
stories. I know some of them
you haven't really shared before, and I

729
00:56:10.440 --> 00:56:15.400
appreciate you being able to share them. I hope that someday you're able to

730
00:56:15.480 --> 00:56:19.840
get your book written. I'd love
to get a copy of it, and

731
00:56:19.960 --> 00:56:22.639
I'm sure my listeners would as well. But it's just been a great time

732
00:56:22.719 --> 00:56:27.199
chatting with you. Harold. That's
good. That's good. I just wanted

733
00:56:27.199 --> 00:56:30.760
to take a few minutes to say
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734
00:56:30.960 --> 00:56:35.920
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739
00:56:52.880 --> 00:56:58.599
about sharing the show wherever you can. If you've had a bigfoot encounter related

740
00:56:58.639 --> 00:57:02.079
to the following or know if someone
who has, please reach out to me

741
00:57:02.519 --> 00:57:07.639
at big for Society at gmail dot
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742
00:57:07.679 --> 00:57:12.599
the list. Bush pilots in Alaska
that have seen something from their plane.

743
00:57:13.320 --> 00:57:17.679
Retired law enforcement officers who department had
a large file for bigfoot encounters. Individuals

744
00:57:17.760 --> 00:57:22.800
that have had bigfoot encounters on their
family property through multiple years and generations.

745
00:57:22.440 --> 00:57:25.880
Individuals who've had a face to face
encounter in the state of Tennessee, North

746
00:57:25.920 --> 00:57:30.599
Carolina, Kentucky, West Virginia,
Alabama, or Mississippi. Individuals who've had

747
00:57:30.639 --> 00:57:35.199
a face to face encounter in the
state of Oklahoma or Arkansas in the Washita

748
00:57:35.360 --> 00:57:38.599
National Forest. Individuals who've had a
face to face encounter on Prince of Wales

749
00:57:38.639 --> 00:57:45.119
Island or surrounding area in southeast Alaska. Any encounter in Franklin County, Texas.

750
00:57:45.760 --> 00:57:49.000
Hunters that have never shared what they
saw in the woods due to fear

751
00:57:49.039 --> 00:57:52.719
of ridicule. Individuals that have had
a bigfoot tried to enter your house in

752
00:57:52.760 --> 00:57:57.679
the Honabi, Oklahoma area. Any
encounters that happened within a twenty mile radius

753
00:57:57.719 --> 00:58:00.960
of Northfield, Massachusetts, and twenty
five mile radius of Great Barrington, Massachusetts,

754
00:58:01.800 --> 00:58:07.360
encounters in the Enchanted Circle, encounters
in the Yosemite National Park area or

755
00:58:07.400 --> 00:58:12.000
any national park for that matter.
Individuals that have lived a long life don't

756
00:58:12.039 --> 00:58:15.199
care what people think about them now
and want to share what happened to them

757
00:58:15.320 --> 00:58:21.719
fifty to sixty years ago. I'm
your guy to share your story. Individuals

758
00:58:21.760 --> 00:58:24.880
that live in remote wooded property and
feel like they're under attack by Bigfoot after

759
00:58:24.960 --> 00:58:30.400
clearing their land, and lastly,
any Bigfoot encounters where the individuals saw what

760
00:58:30.559 --> 00:58:34.599
seemed to be an orangutan, please
reach out to me at big for Society

761
00:58:34.639 --> 00:58:38.199
at gmail dot com if any of
those fit what you've experienced, and for

762
00:58:38.320 --> 00:58:43.280
those where it doesn't fit, please
feel free to reach out anyways. A

763
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764
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It's your support that helps keep the
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765
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766
00:58:57.760 --> 00:59:00.079
Fridays. I see you and