May 31, 2025

What I Saw Wasn’t Human | Yosemite National Park

What I Saw Wasn’t Human | Yosemite National Park
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Season 1

What happens when a city kid from Lincoln Heights stares into the glowing red eyes of something unexplainable in the Yosemite wilderness — and walks away changed forever? In this gripping and eerie episode, we sit down with Rudy Escobar, a Southern California native who shares multiple encounters with creatures he believes were Bigfoot, stretching from the shadowy pines of Sequoia National Park to the moonlit lake edges of Yosemite. Rudy recounts the terrifying moment when a creature stood up — over nine feet tall — with glowing candy-apple red eyes, walking smoothly across the forest like it was gliding. From childhood dreams and paralyzing fear to logs thrown at his car and strange psychic abilities, Rudy's story is more than just an encounter — it's a haunting transformation. You'll hear tales from Dorst Camp and the San Bernardino Mountains — and by the end, you’ll wonder what you would do if a tree started watching you back.

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You're listening to Big for Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron

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Tonight's story doesn't start in a swamp or truck cab.

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It starts beside a still mountain lake in Yosemite with

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a sling shot, a flashlight, and a pair of glowing

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red eyes. This isn't about a single encounter. It's lifetime

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of moments. A tree that wasn't a tree, logs crashing

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against a car, and a creature that moved like it

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wasn't touching the ground. And through it all one man

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was left asking did something wake up in me that night?

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This is a story of Rudy Escobar, the boy who

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stood still when his cousins ran So stay with us,

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all right, they put society. We got the privilege of

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talking to Rudy Escobar today. Rudy is an individual that

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we got connected to over on the YouTube side of things.

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I believe at if I remember correctly, and he's had

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some interesting things that have happened over the years. I

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believe we'll be starting around the Yosemite area. So welcome

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to the show, Rudy.

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How's it going, man, Hey, Jeremy, I thank you for

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having me. It's going pretty.

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Well, absolutely. You know, Yosemite is the place I've been

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to as well. Well, is a beautiful area known for

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some weirdness as well. But we were talking before the

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recording started, we'll be going some interesting areas today. But

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you know, I'm going to go ahead and feel free

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to take us back to you know when this first

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started for you, when you were back Insemite. As far

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back as we need to go, and we'll start from there.

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Okay.

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So it was summer of eighty eight, and I think

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it was like probably the end of July because we

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used to go camping before before how we sorry for football,

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So we'd go camping for two weeks to the mountains.

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The last night we were there, my cousins and I

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decided to go down to the lake. We were camping

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and a little it's called Littlesemite Value or something like that,

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and there's a lake right there. It's right you could

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see half them. So the last night we went onto

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the lake. We were about fifty yards from the lake

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right there, real close, and we had a mag flashlight

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and a sleek shot with us, so we decided to

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go check and see. We could see the animals drinking

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water you know, possibly some deer, bear and stuff. So

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we're scanning the water edge on the other side and

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we see him some red eyes and I'm like, holy cow,

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look there's a deer right there. And I said, and

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I told my cousin, oh, I'm going to shoot it

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with with with a sleep shot, and he goes go

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for it. So, you know, being kids that we were,

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I was chanting shoot at it, which was kind of

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far away. I didn't hit it, I don't think, but

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then we noticed that it stood up, and my cousin goes, oh, look,

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why is the bear signing up? And I said, I

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don't know, and they didn't started walking, and when it

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started walking, it turned its head to look at us,

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and you could see these eyes were humongous.

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They were huge, because I was trying to recall today and.

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It was pretty far to the other side of the

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of the lake, and if you could see the eyes,

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it would be like right like reflectors like everybody says

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in the in the show, and they were just bright red.

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And it started walking. We could try to walk because

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the eyes.

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Were moving, and it just was at night. So this movie.

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But the weird part was it was so smooth, like

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there was no bouncing to it or nothing. My cousins,

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you know, they got scared and they're like bigfoot, and

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they ran and and I stood there watching because I

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was like in a, I guess I was like and

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I was really intriguing. I was like, whoa, it's just cool.

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And and I just followed it and then all and

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then I don't remember where it disappeared, but it must

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have gone back up into the into the into the

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forest or something, because all of a sudden, the eyes

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like they just turned off, So it must have turned

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its head and walked back up away from us. Or

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for me, that's something that I've seen, and it's been

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like something that's been on my mind, like, man, what

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did I see? It's like, did I release? Is that

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really what I saw? Like a big flood?

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Or is it like because I don't think the bear's

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a gonna walk that far on his on his on

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his legs, and you know, I'm I don't know, I'm

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not that outdoorsy. I'm a I grew up in the

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in the city, in in in l A. And so yeah,

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for us seeing that, or for me seeing that, it

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was it's kind of cool.

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You know.

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And and but I've been into like Bigfoot ever since

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I was a kid, you know, watching the shows and

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the six million Dollar Man and Boggy Creek, and so

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when I seen now, oh that was.

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That was crippy and citzens in.

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It's just been I've been and I thought you started

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listening to to to shows and stuff and and and and.

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Now it makes sense, is that okay? And so yeah, so.

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I guess what I'm trying to do is trying to

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financiers and stuff.

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You know.

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Oh, absolutely, Rudy, that's such an interesting first encounter. I

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do you have a few questions if you don't mind.

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Yeah, go for it.

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Awesome.

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So just to clarify for me, when you had this sighting, hm,

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you were just seeing the red eyes in the dark

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or were you able to actually see silhouette as well?

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No, So this this whatever I seen was was drinking water.

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So it must have been on all Forge or something

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drinking water at the from the lake.

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Uh.

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And all we saw were the eyes, that's it.

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There was just some bright, bright, bright red eyes like

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it was actually a red that I've never seen again,

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kind of like, oh you know what it might remind

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me of, Like it reminded me of like like like

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like candy apple red eyes, like like like candy apple,

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like the color candy apple.

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That's all bright.

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Door.

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Gotcha?

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When it stood up, how high off or how far

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off the ground would you approximate that the eyes were.

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So that's the crazy part because when we when we

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saw it going up.

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We're like we were like whoa, you know, it was.

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Probably about I want to say, about nine feet eight

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to nine feet off the ground because it looked like

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an elevator going up.

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Honestly, how how quick did those eyes move from being

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down on ground level to up to around nine feet tall?

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It was? It just it happened like like in an instant.

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It was. It was pretty quick.

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It was probably I want to say maybe if I

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had a count, it was probably like three seconds.

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Okay.

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Interesting, So when you shot, uh so you had the

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sling shot where you what were you using for Ammo?

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For that?

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Just rocks?

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We're just using you know, like like like whatever rock

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we could find on the ground. And I mean, I

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don't think we came close to it because we didn't

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hear no, no, you know, we didn't hear a roar.

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We didn't hear like a growl or nothing like that.

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I'm sure we felt way short, but you.

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Know, being kids, teenagers.

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Who were like, hey, let's shoot, let's shoot the deers

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because we we we got over the deer.

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Yeah, not that either of us are saying that's okay

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to do, but it is a thing that kids and

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that you know, kids will do things like that. But right,

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so there was no sound of impact like you had

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hit anything.

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Then, No, no, not at all.

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Was there any weird smell around that time that you noticed, you.

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Know what it was?

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The only smells like a smell where the bumbfires from

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them in front of chempsites, and and there was only

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like there wasn't that many bomb fires at night because

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I remember it was our bumbfire we had going, and

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then we had the lanterns on, and then there was

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a couple more other people like around us, and it.

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Was like ten o'clock, ten eleven o'clock at night.

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And then when we saw my cousins ran and and

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I stood there like like.

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You know, just watching because I was like intrigued.

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But yeah, there was no smells like like there was

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no smell like like like people describe it.

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No, absolutely were there any sounds of the forest around

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as well.

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You know what, that's the one thing that there wasn't

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Usually like you hear what woodpeckers at night and stuff

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like that, and the crickets and or the frogs, but

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you couldn't hear nothing.

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I was that that That's what we thought was weird.

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We were like, hey, maybe maybe they got quite because it.

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Came to the water's edge, and but yeah, there was

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no sound.

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You mentioned there's a part where it kind of you

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felt like it had turned its head and looked at you.

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How were you able to tell that it probably turned

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its head at that time.

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Because when it stood up first, when it first stood up,

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you could see the eyes go up because it was

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facing like it was facing our way.

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It was kind of like a diagonal.

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And then it started walking and then I see the

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eyes like like like I saw the eyes kind of

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like look forward, like like like look away, and then

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they turned back and they got really bright again, and

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I was like, whoa, And that's how I mean, I'm

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assuming that's what it did because I remember seeing the

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eyes again like really bright. That was like and it

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kind of reminds me of you know, like in the

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in the.

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Special Forces movies when they're wearing their night vision goggles

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and they have like like like the red lenses.

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That's what it looked like.

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Got So that's that's really really interesting. You mentioned that,

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so you were able to watch it walk away. It

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was very smooth. Was there anything that could have told

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you how far or how wide the steps were its

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gate was when it was walking away.

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The only thing that I can gage from is like

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from the from where it started to where it.

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Disappeared, it was like a matter of seconds.

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There was probably like like five.

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To six seconds. So it just looked like like like

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it was floating street.

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And like there was no bounce to it, like you

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know how like when when when humans walk, we have

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kind of a bounce to our steps.

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This thing was just like smooth like it it looked

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like it was like on the.

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Like like on the people mover, you know, like when

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you go to the airport and you stand on that thing.

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Like, yeah, like that that's what it looked like. I

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was like whoa.

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And and then it just disappeared.

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And that's that's actually really that's a really cool way

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to put it. That that really puts a picture into

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your mind.

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Yeah, thank you.

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Yeah, mm hmmmm, so yeah, oh go ahead.

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Yeah.

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And then the funny thing is, afterwards, I went walk

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back to the campsian and I sat down, and my uncle.

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Is that I was my uncle I was there with.

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He was like, why why did the boys run into

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the tent like the way he did? I said, I

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don't know. We saw something with red eyes walking to other.

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He goes, oh, you big sissy, It was probably just

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a bear, and I was like, no, this thing stood up.

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He goes like, how you saw big foot?

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I'm like, you think. He goes, no, he doesn't exist.

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I said, okay, cool, that's funny.

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H Do you and your cousins still talk about that?

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No, we don't, because we're we don't talk to each

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other anymore.

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Gotcha, gotcha. It's very interesting.

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Did at any point any rangers or anything coming coming

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to the picture when you heard, hey, it doesn't exist,

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you were just like, okay, it's out of my mind forever.

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Yeah, it was out of my mind forever and then

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and then, but but I always remember it, like like

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I could close my eyes and see it in my

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like in my dream and stuff.

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I could see it.

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Okay, So that's really interesting.

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So how.

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How soon after that experience did those start to happen.

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Well, obviously that that night I had a nightmare about it.

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But then and then it would come and go, like

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all through high school I would have them, and then

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I somehow I forgot about them. And then it wasn't

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until I started watching Finding Bigfoot when when when they

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came back to me? Like, oh, I was like, wait

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a minute, I've seen something. I think so it had

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gone out of my mind for a while and then

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it came back.

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Sure, And when you were having those dreams, was it

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just you replaying what had happened exactly or are they

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different in anyway?

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No, they were different. I was getting chased in my dream.

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Okay, Yeah, I was getting chased.

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It wasn't a fun.

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Dream, Yeah, I would imagine not. And that was a

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reoccurring dream as well.

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Yeah I was over dream.

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Or like I was afraid to go to see some things. Yeah.

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Absolutely.

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Do those still happen to this day or did they

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stop after a while.

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It happened not too long ago where I was dreaming

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that I was.

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I was up in the somewhere in the in up

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in the mountains, and I got attacked by by by

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by two big flip. They were throwing logs at me

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and my car and they flipping over. Yeah.

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Has this affected you going out into the woods camping

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at all or do you still go out still?

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No?

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I I haven't done camping in a long time since

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you have to make reservations now.

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Yeah, but my son and I have gone.

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Like day camping up to right here, to the Seminarano Mountains,

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and you know, we go out and he does his

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his whoops and.

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His and his his calls because he.

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Likes that, and he goes, hey, Dad, do you think

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we'll see something like?

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No, I don't think so, I said, but you never know.

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Okay, so your son knows your your story as well?

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Then, oh yeah he loves it because when when I

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showed him the email yesterday, was all excited.

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He goes, Dad, can I stay home from school?

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Man?

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No, dude, Oh that's awesome.

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You had also mentioned that there was another time where

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you think there's a possibility you may have had something

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happen as well.

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Yeah.

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So this was like in Sequoia at Dorset Camp and

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it was probably like around nineteen eighty two. I was

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a junior high We went camping and I had gone

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out for a walk into the you know, just following

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a trail down and it.

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Was and it was really it was a.

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Real nice trail actually, like a lot of green ring

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and stuff like that and a lot of.

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And I started walking and then I started getting.

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This feeling like and I'm going to go back to

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to the camp now because I felt weird, like like

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like the the hairds on my back of my neck started.

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Standing up, and I was like, what is happening, you know?

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And then I remember walking and I looked to my

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right and I stopped and I was like, man, that's

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a weird tree.

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That's that's right there. And and and.

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Because this whatever I saw it, then they didn't want

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the tree because it was kind of like a.

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Like a caramel color, I want to say. And and

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and I just remember seeing like like I thought the

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tree looked weird because like the hang was on the

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tree and he just had his head out and I

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could see like like the black face, and I was

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like but I couldn't. And it just it was a

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quick sighting, like real quick. And I was like whoa

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oh was that? But I thought it was part of

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the tree. I'm like, oh, maybe it's not the part

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of a tree, you know, like when the tree gets

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or something.

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But it was like, no, it's too weird, like like.

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Yeah, that's I can't really like like like recall that

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one that too much.

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But I just remember seeing something.

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That's really interesting, because that is a thing that keeps

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coming up on the show is people they'll they'll see

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something really quick that usually has something to do with

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a tree. Yeah, it kind of looks like a big

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foot as well. So just just to clarify for me,

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So you were you saw this tree, but there was

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also something next to it that was kind of was

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it almost like trying to camouflage itself into the tree.

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Or yeah, so it looked like it was part of it,

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and it just like it had his it's like it's

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head like speaking out like like sideways.

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And it was kind of like like like like holding

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myself with his hand so I wouldn't fall down, I

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guess or something. Yeah.

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So and I was like I looked at the right

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and I'm like, hmm, that's weird. And I stopped to

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look and then I was.

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Like and I thought it was part of a tree,

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like like you.

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Know, like like when there's a hollow part in the

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tree and it looks dark, and I was like, oh,

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maybe he has a hole in the tree and that's

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where i'll sleep for something.

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I don't know. Yeah, So and then I just let

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it go because I didn't think much of it, and

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I just went back to camp and I didn't tell anybody.

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Okay, wow, So then did you just kept walking away

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from it, like it didn't just disappear or anything.

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I thought, yeah, yeah, I.

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Just kept going, like I stopped and looked, and I

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was looking and I'm like, oh man, that's kind of weird,

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Like you know, I was kind of like I was kind.

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Of like shocked, I guess, because and then and then

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after that, I was like okay, cool, and I walked

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away because I was like, but after that, I didn't

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hear no. I don't recall hearing no no.

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Like you know how people say that they don't walk

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next year and stuff like that.

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I didn't. I didn't hear that or nothing, or maybe

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I wasn't listening, you know.

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But I was maybe.

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About a quarter a mile away from.

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From where I was at to the camp, and I

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was walking up here and and I was just like,

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you know, just like replaying it in my head, like,

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oh was that?

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So?

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I was kind of like, you know, like like trying

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to like like like recall what it was. And I

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was like, yeah, so that that's that one. That one

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was kind of weird.

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That it's extremely weird. How far away from from you

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was that tree?

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I think I want to say it was about probably

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thirty yards because it wasn't that far.

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Yeah, it wasn't that far.

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Wow.

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Yeah, that that is extremely extremely weird. That kind of

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thing really really makes you wonder. It's like you see

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just enough of something, but then.

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Can you kind of keep going?

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Have you ever thought about what would happen if you

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hadn't kept going?

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I yeah, I think it probably it would have. I

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think it would have came out eventually, maybe because I

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was by myself and I was I was in junior high.

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I mean, I've always been a big kid. I'm like,

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I'm almost foot tall, and I think it would have.

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Came out, and yeah, I would have probably my parents

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on ran you know. But but yeah, and and and

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it does go across my mind like like it came

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out where it came after me and got me or

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you know, I don't know, but it's just like I

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just kept walking.

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It was It's just yeah, it's.

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Just kind of weird.

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When you got back to the group, did you share

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what had happened?

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Oh no, because so.

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I I grew up in Lincoln Heights right there. It's

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near Dodger Stadium, and you know, being a kid from

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like from from the from the ghetto, you don't.

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Tell people that could then they're gonna call you like,

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you know, you're crazy and this and that.

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And and my buddies would have rolled me hard.

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So no, I just kept to myself and I was like,

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but like one of my friends, I asked me, like,

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what's wrong?

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Like, no, nothing, Oh what happened?

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You see a bear? I'm like, yeah, I saw there.

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Oh cool?

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What did it look like like like a bear? But

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you know, because I was still kind of.

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Like like like with that confused look on my face,

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I guess and that's why.

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But he asked me like, like what's wrong? So, and

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I said, oh, I did you sound there?

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What year do you think this was that this happened in?

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So this is probably like around nineteen eighty two because

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I was a seventh grader in junior high.

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Okay, so did this actually happen before the Yosemite thing.

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Then yeah, that was before Smity and then was in

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eighty eight.

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Yeah, okay, okay, so your first interaction would have been

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seeing something.

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In this area of.

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The Okay, yes, okay, gotcha, got you, gotcha. You also

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had mentioned that I haven't there's a little bit of

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audio that's coming in from the background.

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Yeah, okay, I'm moving.

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You got no brown?

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Thanks awesome, okyod good stuff.

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Thank you.

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So we had been talking before the recording that you've

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also had some at least one other weird thing happened

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that could be i'd say classified as high strangeness. Maybe

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not so much Bigfoot related, but you have had a

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sighting of of lights or an orb at one time.

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Yeah, I did. This was like in two thousand, two

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thousand and two.

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I just came back from from from going out with

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my friend's party and I was walking into my house.

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And we had a try level house, so downstairs was

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you walked into to the second level. In downstairs, it

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was like the family room. So I heard like some

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rustling around going around in downstairs. And we lived by

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the hills, So I said, man, a rat got in there.

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So I went I got my my pallet rifle because

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I was gonna shoot there. And I was walking down

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the stairs. I just saw this deep like like it

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went just in front of me and it was floating.

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It was like up and down and it looked like this,

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like I want.

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To say, the side of it was like like like the.

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Size of a can of look, and it was just

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floating like this. And I looked at it for like

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probably like two seconds, and then it just went. It

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wentn't and we had a wall, you know, there was

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a door that went into the lodger room. It was

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like the ADU and it just went through through the

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through the through.

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The door was closed and I went through there and

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that triple. I was like, I know, I'm not I

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know I'm not drunk because I didn't drink tonight.

481
00:26:19.759 --> 00:26:21.440
Because I was driving.

482
00:26:21.680 --> 00:26:23.599
So yeah, I seen that and it was weird.

483
00:26:23.599 --> 00:26:25.119
I was like that triple.

484
00:26:25.160 --> 00:26:28.200
After that, that that scared me. Then I went to

485
00:26:28.240 --> 00:26:30.839
bed and I was like all right, started praying and stuff.

486
00:26:33.119 --> 00:26:34.680
What color was it? Do you remember?

487
00:26:35.799 --> 00:26:39.000
Yeah? It was white. It was like a really nice

488
00:26:39.000 --> 00:26:42.160
white like it almost looked like a giant.

489
00:26:41.920 --> 00:26:48.880
Craw size of a CANDLEO. Wow, how close to you,

490
00:26:48.920 --> 00:26:49.680
did it get.

491
00:26:51.200 --> 00:26:52.480
So it was.

492
00:26:54.720 --> 00:26:58.559
Probably about twenty.

493
00:26:58.200 --> 00:27:04.720
Feet don't you in the area that this happened. Has

494
00:27:04.759 --> 00:27:06.920
anyone else ever experienced anything weird?

495
00:27:08.759 --> 00:27:14.000
Well, yeah, my my sister said that in her bedroom

496
00:27:14.519 --> 00:27:17.720
she used to see hands up here on the mirror.

497
00:27:19.920 --> 00:27:24.279
When she said that, like like like in the in.

498
00:27:24.279 --> 00:27:25.559
The closet on her arm.

499
00:27:26.880 --> 00:27:30.599
She had like the sliding door in mirror closets, and

500
00:27:30.680 --> 00:27:33.319
she said that she will see hands appear on like

501
00:27:33.480 --> 00:27:34.599
hamprints here in the mirror.

502
00:27:34.599 --> 00:27:39.200
And I'm like, dude, you're crazy, no flud that happened.

503
00:27:39.200 --> 00:27:40.079
I'm like, okay.

504
00:27:40.119 --> 00:27:42.359
And then she goes, come and look, and I would

505
00:27:42.400 --> 00:27:46.000
go look, and I was like the big hamdprints and

506
00:27:46.000 --> 00:27:49.799
and she's like probably like four eight four nine and

507
00:27:49.920 --> 00:27:52.519
tiny hands and.

508
00:27:51.559 --> 00:27:53.359
I was like, dude, those are like my size hands.

509
00:27:53.440 --> 00:27:56.480
She goes, yeah, really just appeared to like. I'm like,

510
00:27:56.559 --> 00:27:58.039
we're the guy that you had with you. Now I

511
00:27:58.039 --> 00:27:58.799
don't have nobody here.

512
00:28:01.599 --> 00:28:03.119
I was just thinking the same thing.

513
00:28:03.160 --> 00:28:06.440
I was like, unless there's like a guy hanging out

514
00:28:06.480 --> 00:28:10.559
in there, right, But yes, that's so wild man. Wow,

515
00:28:10.880 --> 00:28:13.839
so weird stuff happening in that residence.

516
00:28:15.680 --> 00:28:23.640
Yeah, And that was in Haussin Heights, California.

517
00:28:21.680 --> 00:28:22.720
Wild wild Stuff.

518
00:28:25.000 --> 00:28:29.799
You had also mentioned that ever since you've had these

519
00:28:31.279 --> 00:28:36.960
interactions with with Bigfoot at different places, it has kind

520
00:28:37.000 --> 00:28:39.039
of affected you in different ways as well.

521
00:28:40.319 --> 00:28:43.640
Yeah, so it affected me where I actually looked it

522
00:28:43.720 --> 00:28:48.400
up what it is, and it's like it's clairvoyancies that

523
00:28:48.519 --> 00:28:54.240
where I can I can I can tell when someone's

524
00:28:54.279 --> 00:28:58.799
like being dishonest with me and stuff, and or like.

525
00:28:58.839 --> 00:29:00.000
I can feel the vibe.

526
00:28:59.799 --> 00:29:01.559
That like like yeah, I.

527
00:29:01.480 --> 00:29:05.440
Don't trust this person, you know, And I'll tell my son, hey,

528
00:29:06.079 --> 00:29:09.240
don't hang out these kids because they're no good.

529
00:29:09.319 --> 00:29:10.119
Oh Dad, you don't know.

530
00:29:10.160 --> 00:29:13.960
I'm like, yes, I trust me, and then and then

531
00:29:14.000 --> 00:29:14.319
they're on.

532
00:29:14.480 --> 00:29:16.200
He'll be like, hey, god, these kids are in trouble.

533
00:29:16.440 --> 00:29:19.119
Yeah, I know I told you. How you know, I'm like,

534
00:29:19.440 --> 00:29:21.880
I don't know. I just know I told because that's

535
00:29:21.880 --> 00:29:22.880
not everything.

536
00:29:24.279 --> 00:29:25.519
Right there? Yeah, there you go.

537
00:29:25.720 --> 00:29:32.920
How how soon after or how soon after the encounters

538
00:29:32.960 --> 00:29:34.200
did that start to kick in?

539
00:29:36.119 --> 00:29:36.319
You know?

540
00:29:36.640 --> 00:29:41.279
I think it started like and it might have started

541
00:29:41.440 --> 00:29:45.680
right away, but I never paid attention to it like

542
00:29:45.680 --> 00:29:48.440
like like that. I always thought it was a coincidence,

543
00:29:49.519 --> 00:29:49.720
you know.

544
00:29:50.039 --> 00:29:52.279
I always thought, Hey, that's kind of weird like like

545
00:29:52.359 --> 00:29:54.640
like a I was like, that's a coin condicct that

546
00:29:54.680 --> 00:29:55.319
I happened, you know.

547
00:29:56.079 --> 00:29:59.319
So But and finally I had started like looking into it,

548
00:29:59.400 --> 00:30:02.160
like and because I was talking to one of my

549
00:30:02.200 --> 00:30:06.079
friends and she's a she's a medium and I and

550
00:30:05.839 --> 00:30:08.480
I and I told her, you know what's going on.

551
00:30:08.559 --> 00:30:12.759
She goes, oh yeah, she goes, could you're clairvoyant.

552
00:30:13.279 --> 00:30:15.359
I'm like, what do you mean? She goes, well, look

553
00:30:15.400 --> 00:30:17.119
it up. So I looked it up and I said,

554
00:30:17.359 --> 00:30:23.200
you cow that that makes sense. So yeah.

555
00:30:23.240 --> 00:30:27.160
So and the only thing that I tied us into

556
00:30:27.240 --> 00:30:31.000
it was dinner night when someone was talking about he's seen.

557
00:30:32.440 --> 00:30:35.519
Seen seeing the big foods like a bunch of times.

558
00:30:35.400 --> 00:30:37.960
And then now he has like, you know, the same thing,

559
00:30:38.079 --> 00:30:40.559
like he could tell people are lying and and things

560
00:30:40.559 --> 00:30:42.440
like that, and I was like, oh, that makes sense.

561
00:30:44.599 --> 00:30:49.680
Yeah, It's it's a weird pattern that keeps coming up

562
00:30:49.720 --> 00:30:54.720
on the show where people will say, you know, they

563
00:30:54.759 --> 00:30:58.359
have a sighting or an interaction, or they're even in

564
00:30:58.400 --> 00:31:02.960
the place where they're reported a lot, and then they'll

565
00:31:03.000 --> 00:31:09.519
start to have you know, almost like weird abilities. And

566
00:31:09.799 --> 00:31:12.720
I'm not really sure how to handle that myself. I

567
00:31:12.799 --> 00:31:14.960
just know that I keep talking to people and they

568
00:31:15.039 --> 00:31:18.519
keep saying stuff like that. But it's it's not just

569
00:31:18.559 --> 00:31:24.839
what you report. Sometimes there's you know, something like telepathy reported,

570
00:31:25.079 --> 00:31:28.799
or they start to hear, you know, voices. I mean,

571
00:31:30.559 --> 00:31:35.799
it's just or some kind of conversation with what is

572
00:31:35.880 --> 00:31:41.240
usually thought to be the Bigfoot. But it's just it's

573
00:31:41.400 --> 00:31:42.240
very very strange.

574
00:31:42.319 --> 00:31:45.640
Have you ever is that something you've thought.

575
00:31:45.480 --> 00:31:47.759
About, Like why is it that this stuff kicks in,

576
00:31:48.640 --> 00:31:51.200
you know, after someone has these interactions.

577
00:31:52.519 --> 00:31:58.880
Yeah, to me, I think that and when they kicked

578
00:31:58.880 --> 00:32:03.440
in was when I was in Yosemite and I and

579
00:32:03.519 --> 00:32:06.480
I was sending there just watching it, and like I

580
00:32:06.519 --> 00:32:09.319
think we locked eyes or something because like I was

581
00:32:09.960 --> 00:32:13.720
like I couldn't move, So I think something might have like.

582
00:32:16.359 --> 00:32:18.559
I don't know, like triggered me or something like that,

583
00:32:18.720 --> 00:32:21.160
or or it gave me that ability.

584
00:32:22.599 --> 00:32:25.160
But I think that's when it happened because it was

585
00:32:25.240 --> 00:32:27.960
just like we just kept like looking at each other.

586
00:32:29.079 --> 00:32:31.599
And I think that after that kept when I.

587
00:32:31.559 --> 00:32:36.160
Started noticing you know, like like the coincidences that that

588
00:32:36.160 --> 00:32:36.640
that that.

589
00:32:36.720 --> 00:32:40.319
I used to say that was just a coincidence or

590
00:32:40.519 --> 00:32:41.119
or or.

591
00:32:41.640 --> 00:32:44.880
Or I would say, oh, that's Dejo Dejo dejau right,

592
00:32:45.240 --> 00:32:47.160
and I was like, I was like, whoa, I have

593
00:32:47.160 --> 00:32:48.440
have having a lot of dja bo.

594
00:32:48.640 --> 00:32:49.279
That's kind of weird.

595
00:32:50.880 --> 00:32:55.039
So when you were at Yosemite and there was a

596
00:32:55.079 --> 00:32:59.319
point before it walked away and you couldn't move, how

597
00:32:59.559 --> 00:33:02.319
how long was that that you weren't able to move for?

598
00:33:04.039 --> 00:33:08.039
So it was like probably like were whatever length of

599
00:33:08.079 --> 00:33:10.319
time it took to get from point A to.

600
00:33:10.279 --> 00:33:13.359
Point B was like seconds, like it was like three

601
00:33:13.440 --> 00:33:14.680
to five seconds.

602
00:33:16.440 --> 00:33:18.480
And then and then after that, that's when I like,

603
00:33:18.519 --> 00:33:20.960
I said, it must have turned its head away and

604
00:33:20.960 --> 00:33:26.160
so heading up the back into the forest or up

605
00:33:26.200 --> 00:33:30.640
the the hill that was there something, because after that,

606
00:33:30.960 --> 00:33:33.680
it just like it looked like the lights like like

607
00:33:33.720 --> 00:33:35.599
the lights turned off, you know, the eyes turned off,

608
00:33:35.799 --> 00:33:38.839
So it must have turned away. And then that's when

609
00:33:38.839 --> 00:33:41.720
I was like I got get out of here. And

610
00:33:41.759 --> 00:33:44.119
then that's when I went to you know, I didn't run.

611
00:33:44.200 --> 00:33:47.599
I just walked back to my chair in the consite

612
00:33:48.880 --> 00:33:51.440
and I sat down and I just had like the

613
00:33:52.160 --> 00:33:54.359
the same I just I could say, like the same

614
00:33:54.400 --> 00:33:56.720
look that I had back in Sequoia.

615
00:33:56.799 --> 00:33:59.519
Probably had it and.

616
00:33:58.839 --> 00:34:01.400
And you send me, but it was probably more more

617
00:34:01.400 --> 00:34:04.960
prevalent maybe you know, because now I did.

618
00:34:04.799 --> 00:34:09.039
See like like some eyes. I didn't see a body

619
00:34:09.079 --> 00:34:10.320
and I see or nothing like that, but I just

620
00:34:10.360 --> 00:34:12.679
see some eyes. It's like really weird, Like wow.

621
00:34:15.159 --> 00:34:18.559
So when you were there frozen for a few seconds,

622
00:34:19.039 --> 00:34:22.559
was that before or after your cousins had been like

623
00:34:22.719 --> 00:34:23.400
that's a big foot?

624
00:34:23.400 --> 00:34:24.800
Were got out of here and they ran off.

625
00:34:25.760 --> 00:34:30.239
Oh yeah, they ran off and they're like, come on,

626
00:34:30.320 --> 00:34:33.280
let's go, and and I couldn't talk.

627
00:34:33.360 --> 00:34:36.000
I would just stood there. I was just like frozen right.

628
00:34:35.960 --> 00:34:40.239
There with like like I felt like like I couldn't.

629
00:34:39.960 --> 00:34:44.880
Move, gotcha, So they left you there frozen, got it?

630
00:34:45.079 --> 00:34:46.000
Yeah?

631
00:34:46.039 --> 00:34:50.920
Wow, that's that's so wild man, because and actually I've

632
00:34:51.039 --> 00:34:55.679
experienced this myself where when I was out in Oregon

633
00:34:55.760 --> 00:35:00.760
in July and we're in an area and I was

634
00:35:01.599 --> 00:35:04.559
I mean I was literally frozen in a chair for

635
00:35:05.320 --> 00:35:07.320
a few minutes and I couldn't even talk. And then

636
00:35:07.360 --> 00:35:10.280
it feels like all of a sudden, like someone snaps

637
00:35:10.320 --> 00:35:12.760
their fingers and you're like, okay, I can talk again,

638
00:35:12.960 --> 00:35:14.559
right Yeah.

639
00:35:14.639 --> 00:35:15.960
Yeah, it's weird.

640
00:35:16.280 --> 00:35:22.199
Yeah, And there's you know, there's people I've talked to

641
00:35:22.920 --> 00:35:27.639
before where I guess there's there's stories Native American stories

642
00:35:27.679 --> 00:35:31.480
where you know, you can be frozen, but also sometimes

643
00:35:31.519 --> 00:35:36.599
they can. They can also control the way that you move,

644
00:35:36.960 --> 00:35:41.239
so they can, you know, Henry Franzoni told me once

645
00:35:41.920 --> 00:35:46.199
you can supposedly they can make you walk off a

646
00:35:46.239 --> 00:35:50.280
cliff if they wanted to, which is really wild stuff, right.

647
00:35:51.840 --> 00:35:52.039
Right.

648
00:35:52.239 --> 00:35:55.800
Yeah, that's I heard that too, because I was like,

649
00:35:56.039 --> 00:36:00.719
and I've been doing like, man, it's just because I

650
00:36:01.440 --> 00:36:04.320
wasn't scared, you know, I was just like more mesmerized

651
00:36:04.360 --> 00:36:09.280
than anything. So it must have been I don't know,

652
00:36:09.599 --> 00:36:11.360
because I'm thinking that just like.

653
00:36:11.760 --> 00:36:13.599
The humans as good and bad, it must have been

654
00:36:13.639 --> 00:36:15.039
a good one, you know, I don't know.

655
00:36:16.079 --> 00:36:17.880
It wasn't from the dark side.

656
00:36:19.480 --> 00:36:24.400
So yeah, but yeah, I wasn't scared or anything like that.

657
00:36:24.679 --> 00:36:26.639
But would ever I want to see another one?

658
00:36:26.880 --> 00:36:32.920
Probably not, gotcha? So you could live without having another encounter?

659
00:36:32.960 --> 00:36:35.199
It sounds like, yeah.

660
00:36:35.199 --> 00:36:39.960
I think I could because I don't think, I mean,

661
00:36:40.039 --> 00:36:41.719
if it happened to happen, but I'm not.

662
00:36:42.840 --> 00:36:47.360
I'd rather know you're not actively going out and trying

663
00:36:47.360 --> 00:36:49.400
to have it happen, is what it sounds like.

664
00:36:49.599 --> 00:36:52.880
No, no, but but I would like to.

665
00:36:53.159 --> 00:36:54.639
It's kind of weird because I kind of me and

666
00:36:54.679 --> 00:36:56.480
my son do want to go in the other expedition

667
00:36:57.719 --> 00:37:01.679
one of these days. We don't know when, but they'll like, hey, guy,

668
00:37:01.719 --> 00:37:04.679
let's going on that traditional Well I'll think about it.

669
00:37:05.920 --> 00:37:07.280
Well, I mean, and that's the thing.

670
00:37:07.320 --> 00:37:11.880
It's like, it's such an interesting field because half of

671
00:37:11.920 --> 00:37:15.440
the people are people that have generally had something happen

672
00:37:15.920 --> 00:37:18.719
and they're freaked out because it really does affect you.

673
00:37:19.480 --> 00:37:21.480
And then at the same time, when you have these

674
00:37:21.559 --> 00:37:24.840
people dealing with that, you always have new people coming

675
00:37:24.880 --> 00:37:28.840
into the field where they're like, this sounds awesome. I

676
00:37:28.960 --> 00:37:31.559
really want to get into this. This is super cool

677
00:37:31.800 --> 00:37:35.960
and high fiving, and you've got the old or the

678
00:37:36.079 --> 00:37:39.320
people that experience something like be careful what you wish for.

679
00:37:40.039 --> 00:37:42.480
And then the cycle just continues because the new people

680
00:37:42.559 --> 00:37:46.400
go out, they have something happen. Now they're like dealing

681
00:37:46.440 --> 00:37:50.239
with trauma, and it's just like a continual cycle for

682
00:37:50.239 --> 00:37:55.280
forever and ever. It's it's really really interesting. Have you ever,

683
00:37:56.360 --> 00:37:59.800
you know, thought about it in all the you know,

684
00:37:59.800 --> 00:38:02.079
you listening to a lot of stuff, watching stuff, maybe

685
00:38:02.119 --> 00:38:02.880
reading stuff.

686
00:38:03.599 --> 00:38:04.679
Do you have any thoughts.

687
00:38:04.400 --> 00:38:09.559
About what they might be out there, what Bigfoot actually is?

688
00:38:11.000 --> 00:38:11.440
You know, what.

689
00:38:11.519 --> 00:38:16.840
Yeah, I think it's uh, I have I'm kind of

690
00:38:16.920 --> 00:38:19.079
like I have mixed meens because I heard people say

691
00:38:19.079 --> 00:38:21.000
they come out of poros and things like that. So

692
00:38:21.639 --> 00:38:23.239
I think it is kind of like a.

693
00:38:24.960 --> 00:38:28.480
Kind of it has to be extraterrestrial or something or

694
00:38:29.440 --> 00:38:31.800
because if if.

695
00:38:32.119 --> 00:38:34.199
Yeah, because there's no way that.

696
00:38:34.960 --> 00:38:39.039
Something that's like an animal. When an animal walks, it's

697
00:38:39.119 --> 00:38:41.199
you know, you know, bobs up and down stuff. You know,

698
00:38:41.639 --> 00:38:45.480
you see a dog walking, bobs up and down. This

699
00:38:45.519 --> 00:38:47.639
doesn't bob up and down. It's just it's steady.

700
00:38:48.079 --> 00:38:51.960
So it has to be something like not of this world.

701
00:38:52.079 --> 00:38:54.840
It has to be extraterrestrial, kind of like like a

702
00:38:54.880 --> 00:38:56.039
prayer type thing.

703
00:38:57.320 --> 00:38:57.880
You can. You know.

704
00:38:58.000 --> 00:39:01.199
I even heard people say that that when they shigne

705
00:39:01.440 --> 00:39:04.639
the life on that that they're firm like kind of

706
00:39:04.639 --> 00:39:06.719
like reflects on my man.

707
00:39:08.000 --> 00:39:10.400
So I think it's like extraterrestrial. Probably.

708
00:39:13.360 --> 00:39:17.519
Yeah, that's interesting. And the gliding is is a really

709
00:39:17.559 --> 00:39:23.480
good point. You know, I haven't heard any hypothesis yet

710
00:39:23.599 --> 00:39:28.079
of how that could happen if it was an actual,

711
00:39:29.360 --> 00:39:34.639
you know, physical creature, and how it could glide so smoothly.

712
00:39:35.360 --> 00:39:37.800
I don't know if anyone has any examples of that,

713
00:39:37.840 --> 00:39:41.559
in a natural world. I haven't been able to find

714
00:39:41.639 --> 00:39:45.360
any myself, but maybe someone will put a comment down

715
00:39:45.480 --> 00:39:47.880
or whatever, and uh, we'll see what people can come

716
00:39:47.960 --> 00:39:51.840
up with. But it is, it's a very very interesting thing.

717
00:39:51.880 --> 00:39:54.639
The whole gliding thing is brought up over and over

718
00:39:54.679 --> 00:39:55.599
and over again.

719
00:39:56.360 --> 00:39:59.559
Yeah, you know, it reminds me of a reminder of

720
00:39:59.599 --> 00:40:00.599
back in the eighties when.

721
00:40:00.480 --> 00:40:02.199
People used to move up, we used to break down.

722
00:40:02.400 --> 00:40:03.599
Oh yeah, that's what reminds me.

723
00:40:03.679 --> 00:40:07.000
What it reminds you of, like like smooth, like that you're.

724
00:40:06.960 --> 00:40:10.840
Smooth, okay, only not backwards frontwards right.

725
00:40:10.800 --> 00:40:12.400
Only not only not back for jeha.

726
00:40:13.119 --> 00:40:18.239
Interesting, it's another cool way to think about it. But Rudy,

727
00:40:18.320 --> 00:40:20.679
it has been. It's been fun chatting with you today

728
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and thank you for sharing what you've experienced over the years.

729
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I want to make sure that you were able to

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share everything that you had in your mind for the show.

731
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Oh yeah, absolutely.

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Uh you know, like I said, I'm still not sure

733
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what I seen because I can say it was if

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it wasn't.

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But I seen something.

736
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Absolutely.

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If you and your son ever, do you know, end

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up going out camping in the future, If anything ever

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does happen, you're more than welcome to reach out. I

740
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would love to hear about it if that's something you

741
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would want to share.

742
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Oh, absolutely, yeah, for sure, You'll be the usual my context.

743
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That's great. Well, I appreciate you coming on the show, Rudy,

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and you have a great rest of your day.

745
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Man Yuji, thank you so much for having me.

746
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I just wanted to take a minute to say thank

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you for listening to this episode of the Big for

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Society podcast. Rudy's story stuck with me, not just because

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of what he saw us standing by that lake, but

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because of what it stirred inside him, the dreams, the silence,

751
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and the transformation. Huge thanks to Rudy for sharing such personal,

752
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intense memories from Yosemite and Sequoia, and for reminding us

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that some encounters don't just leave footprints, they leave something

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