What Really Happened in my Bigfoot Research: A Conversation with Sonya Zohar

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2:19 All right, Big the Society, we got the privilege of interviewing Sonia Zohar today. Sonya is a Bigfoot researcher based out of Washington State. How are you doing today, Sonya? I'm doing well today, Jeremiah, thank you for asking. As a lot of my friends and family now and I am in late stages cancer, so I'm short of breath sometimes so I might sound a little funny while we talk, but that's what's kind of going on right now, and so just let the audience know that right away. Yeah, absolutely, I think that's a great place to start.

3:03 I was introduced to you by a mutual friend, Tob Johnson, who had told me that you were at the point where you were wanting to make sure that your story was fully fully shared, and there'd been more than a few things that you haven't really shared throughout your life about your research. So we're going to spend that time today to give you the chance and the opportunity to share what you would like to have shared about your life. Let's start at the beginning. What was it that that first got you into your bigfoot research?

3:45 Well, that in itself to me looking back one and that's kind of the point of this. And as you know, I've I've been researching since two thousand and seven, and I've done physical expeditions and physical research, and I've also done a lot of obviously theoretical research. But given that all. Of these years, you know, the most important thing is to me was always to maintain a certain level of credibility while also like trying to share as much truth as possible, but the reality of my experience, you know, as it turns back, as I look back, you know, really about eighty percent of what I was dealing with was para normal. Twenty percent was physical. Yeah, you find a track every now, every now, and there'd be a rock throw, you know, you'd find the went swift breaks, and you know, you find physical evidences, but the interactions were always more than something natural. To give you example, the first my first expedition in Montana itself was pretty parent normal, but even more so, you know, I completely had the hitchhiker effects, and I never talked about that.

5:13 Where after I was in Montana for my first expedition, when I came home, all of these things were happening at my home. And even, like I said, my interest in Bigfoot, looking back on it does seem a little strange. And why I say this is because I actually didn't believe in big size, and I love anthropology. Giant Foxy and Jane Bill and Ian Redman are like my heroes, and I never believed in Bigfoot because I believed in that misconception, like a lot of people, if something was that big in the force, we'd have to know, like there's no way with all the cameras and technology and people hiking, that is something that large was roaming the forest in North America that we've had to have seen it and a known about it. But so I never believed in it. And then I watched the television show.

6:14 I had some friends of mine when I lived in Los Angeles kind of I kind of lovingly he pushed bully me into watching a bigfoot show, which I had no interest in. But I sat down with my friends, we had some beers. We watched this big Foot show and Jimmy Toolcutt was on the show and he talked about the significance of normal ridges and that the cast here he was given to analyz had dermal ridges. And then he said, you know, he would stake his twenty year career that we had an unknown a bipedal primate in North America. And when he said that, I just something in me, literally, like my whole since my whole being shifted and my whole life just flipped to Bigfoot.

7:07 I mean I literally went to my computer and the energy was I had to know for myself there was nothing to prove. I wasn't going to go out and prove Bigfoot existed. It's like I just had to know for me if it did, I just couldn't imagine. No, we would have an eight to ten foot tall, you know, primy in our forest in North America and they had not been discovered. Like that just didn't make any sense to me whatsoever. And the first thing I did was watch the Patterson film for over a year and I didn't really watch too much commentary. I just watched the film, I mean the film every night over and over again to prove to myself that I believed it was legitimate or I believed it was fake. And once I came to determination, the determination for myself that it was completely legit, it's not a fake. And you know, mostly because Patty has breast, and a lot of researchers don't, you know, point that out. But we have to be very honest with ourselves and say, if it was a costume, even today in our human augmentations, when women get breast implants, they don't move. Yet here in sixty seven, you have a costume with moving breast on them, Like no, maybe if we can't do that at the highest technology that

8:39 we have today, then there's no way in nineteen sixty seven that those cowboys pulled off moving breasts on a so tall being walking through the forest, And so that was kind of the clincher for me. I was like, this film is with it and why I'm saying like even this whole experience is a little paranormal is because I've never obsessed on anything like this. My personality is kind of like a tumbleweed. I enjoy all life. I've moved a lot, I've had many different careers, many different stages of my being that I've enjoy all of them.

9:24 But I'm not someone to work at the same insurance job for twenty years, like as It's just not my personality. I might work there for four years, but not twenty, right, So for me to be so obsessed and just like passionately from the heart obsessed, it was noticeable, you know that it was weird to me, Like what is this thing called Bigfoot that I'm just completely enthralled with in every essence, you know, my scientific mind and the part of my essence that believes in the paranormal. You know, I'm an impath, So as a child and as an adult, I do experience ghosts, I'm not a dabbler, meaning I don't need to promote that energy in my life. I've never promoted it or never utilized it because I've always felt, like Nita says, if you stare into the abyss too long, the abyss stares back. Well, that is the truth about ghosts.

10:31 Once they know if the haunting is conscious. Not all hauntings are conscious, but it's still hunting is conscious, and you're aware of it, then it becomes aware of you. And to me, that was always really creepy. I didn't like it, and so my whole life I just dismissed that, avoided it. I knew it was part of my life, but I wouldn't be someone who would open up, you know, let's go look for ghost hunters. Like no, I don't need to play with thats and so, like I said, just the beginning, the energy, the essence of being called, and that's how I really feel. I felt I was called to do this research and it was beyond my control even to do it. I was just so passionate about it and everything after that show in two thousand and seven became bigfoot in my life. And then on my first expedition when I was flying into Montana and I'm at the window seat and I look over this mountain path and I get this like energy I called for me being an impath, is you feel know something, you just feel know it? And I get this energy. Oh, they travel across here, and I was looking at the tops of the mountains and then I said what to myself, like what do you mean nature? But I knew, I knew this fast question was already speaking to me. Like

12:02 again I dismissed that a little bit, but right at their dick though, right at the outset. And then we get out to this territory and you know, my first time out, you know, I have the bigfoot experience, which again is not common. You know, there are researchers who have been in the field for thirty years and yeah, they find tracks, they find tree brakes, they hear things, but having a full on experience of them may or may not happen for them and for me to like right away like the first time, and even that was really strange, like I got it, like who does that?

12:43 Who goes out in the forest the first time with the intention to look for bigfoot, a soubsquatch and they have the experience and my first day there hiking in Lucien Clark National Park, I've got on the track, and then every night something would show up at our trailer and throw rocks at my trailer every night, and then there were very strange vocalizations that my colleague said was Bigfoot. But still I wasn't convinced, even though I had this hunt that Bigfoot could be real, I still wasn't thoroughly in my mind believing it. And although I was compelled to find out, and so over the course of eight or night days we had some sort of interaction every night, culminating on the last two days where one vocalized me and it had gone through the series of It started off by at the end of the night, when the sun was going down, my colleague and I we were leaning up against the fence looking at this private property that was a hunting property, and we were watching the elk come out into this meadow for the night. And the elk were pretty far away, like I would say, from where I was standing three football fields, the elk were super tiny when we were looking at them, where

14:15 we could see him across his big meadow and the sun was setting and then all of a sudden, out of nowhere, there was this loud crack, like lightning, and my colleague looked at me. I looked at him, and he said, that's probably a bull elk breaking a branch. They do that, And I'm like, okay. And also I'll let you know too, I'm always kind of a city kid, and so I don't really I didn't at that time know a lot about you know, like elks, habits or even I had to go home after that trip and just do all of my studying on vocalizations and understand getting a good grasp and like what a deer can sound like, what an elk can sound like, what a raccoon, a fox, you know, the things that we might hear in the forest. So I could vet those things, you know, and I learned my vocalizations really well. Right off to bad Bigs.

15:14 A society will be right back after these messages. But at that time, I was still kind of very new too kind of forests. I mean, I've gone hiking before, don't get me wrong, but I'd never been in a research situation right where I'm looking for something. And so there was a loud crack and then so Let's say that crack was at eleven o'clock, and then there's a loud crack at like nine o'clock, and then there was a loud crack at seven o'clock, and then there was a loud crack directly behind me at six. And they were like many lightning strikes, and they happened successively like crack, crack, crack, So they were fast. And my colleagues said, are you ready to confront? And I was looking at him, like, what do you mean there's a strange noise. What are you talking about? And he said, Sonia, nothing moves that

16:45 fast in the forest. We have a sasquatch here. And I was like, okay, this is crazy. I don't know if I believed this, you know, Like, but the one thing I did definitely take in and all of this research was I made myself. Remember I bought the ticket, take the ride. So if an experienced researcher is telling me sasquatches there and asking me if I can confront, and he told me to go walk into the tree line and say something or do something, I did it. You know, there's no other guide to this kind of work.

17:26 And so I walked into the tree line, and I started talking, but then it didn't seem like there was anything there, and I honestly didn't know what to say, you know, because you know, what are you supposed to say to a sasquatch in the forest, right, especially when you still quite don't believe. And but I said, well, I'll just treat it like I would any other animal. If there'd been a deer there or an elk there, I would talk to it. That's just my nature. I love animals. And so I was like, Hi, who's here? Like where are you? Because one of the things about my whole experience dealing with sasquatches, quite honestly, I never got the visual. I never saw them. I never saw them physically, I heard them experience them. But you know, much to my disappointment, if I've never felt my research was over because I actually never did see them, you know, and that's kind of a that's kind of a shame after all these years. But anyway, there's no energy, no noise.

18:36 So the sun had gone down by this time. My colleague was getting nervous because he didn't want to be there after dark with them, and say, let's go, let's go back to the ATV and go go back to camp, and I'm like, okay. So we get back to the ATV and was really interesting. I kept looking at the ATV and I knew somebody had been there. And I even asked my colleague. I said, hey, look at the ATV right now? Is something out of place? He's like, no, hes, why do you ask? And I graduates to feel like somebody's been here, and it's kind of like that feeling you get like maybe you leave your house and you didn't close your door all the way and when you get home, your door's kind of half open, and you're like, I always lock my door, and then you kind of walk in your house kind of slowly to see what's going on and why your door's open, and nobody's there, and then you're kind of like, okay, that was strange. Whatever.

19:42 Do you just go about your business. That's kind of how I felt about the ATV we walked upon it. I felt like somebody had been there. It was a very strong sense of that. And then we walk over to the ATV and we start to load up to go, and there's a much softer crack now across this little little like it wasn't even a logging road more like a snowmobile road in the winter. This tiny little dirt path that we're on now, the tree line is across from us, and there's this soft crack, and now I am really intrigued, super intrigued, and I'm not really paying attention to my colleagues or like safety. Now I'm super curious, and I'm like, who's there? Where are you? And then I'm like, can you make another noise? And then snap?

20:36 And so I go back and forth for about twenty minutes, asking it for a response and actually getting one, And then I would get a soft crack or that sound people say they make, which I've heard that kind of sounds like a pop, you know, And you can make that noise by when you put your finger in your mouth and you just pull off on your cheek and it makes kind of a pop noise, That's what it sounds like. And so it was back and forth between those sounds, and I was following them, and then I realized I was pretty far into the tree line and my colleague was still backed by the ATV and a little did I know at that time this is all hindsight.

21:21 My colleague at that time was really afraid of them. He did the research, but he always had a gun with him. He I don't know what the situation was with him about them then not liking him. Maybe he forced his way into their territories. But he came to obvious years later that anytime I had been with him, the sub squad were like more like hostile throwing rocks and big ones like not like I'm over here kind of thing, right, But nevertheless I am I'm following these noises, that these sounds into the tree line. And then all of a sudden, I realized there's quite a distance between me and my colleague. And that was one of the first things he said to me was if you have to know, sonya that if one gets a hold of you, I can't catch it, I can't track it, You'll be gone.

22:20 Do you get that? And I'm like, yeah, it's funny, Like you know, I did get that. Like that's we're doing research on an unknown animal. Anything could go wrong, you know. Plus sometimes when people give you warnings like that, you don't heed them until you actually experience that phenomena. Right anyway, But in that moment when I realized the distance that had been made, between me and my colleague. I sat down on a log and said, you come here. I'm not going any farther I go. You have to come here. Now, I've come a long way. You got to meet me in the middle. So wherever you come out, I want to see you. And I would say things like that, like I came all the way here from California just to see you and meet you. What are you? Where are you? And I could just tell that. The forest went silent after that, after I sat down and said I wouldn't follow it, the forest just went quiet. And so I went over and got back on that day TV very excited. My colleague was really freaked out. He said he'd never seen anyone like asked for a phenomena from them and like interact like that. He'd never seen anything like that, so he was thrilled. I was thrilled.

23:38 We come back the next day, which just happened to be my last day there, and because early the next Saturday morning, I had a flight out, so basically this was it. We went and spit the day there. We had some of that interaction right off the bat, but as soon as I said I'm only going this far, the energy just kind of less and so finally I just looked at my colleague said, well, if they want us to go this way, let's go. Let's just go. And so we hiked back in there for a couple of hours and nothing really happened. We had a moment where we both looked over our shoulder at the same time, so something was around us, but something spooped us, but that also could have been a wild animal. We just both it was very interesting. We're just sitting there and we both turned over our right shoulders and looked really hard, and we hadn't heard anything. We both just kind of felt something. But that was all that happened. And so we've got to go break down camps and get me ready to have my flight early in the morning, and so we leave, and of course on our way out, and that's another phenomena that I have experienced, is that sasquatch follow you out. They may not show up while you're there, but when you leave, they follow you out.

25:00 Reason anyway, I think it may have to do with the fact that they really do have a sense of humor, and so they kind of know you've been there all day, and then when you leave, they show up and it's almost like a teasing or taunting, or it could be territorial if we go more the scientific part of it. It may want it may want to know that you are definitively, definitively out of its territory, right, And so those are like I'm saying, like the two lines, they the two systems, I'm thinking that you kind of have to have. You know, there could be this paranormal aspect, but there could be this completely natural, natural reasoning for it.

25:42 And so that's another reason why I was always soft on talking about the paranormal, because there could be other We're dealing with a new species of animal, and so lots of things could happen that we're not aware of anyway scientifically. And so there we are last day, getting on the ATV and it shows up and it made a loud crack, and I had just started to grab an apple to eat for myself because I was starving, and just when that happened, and so I grabbed a second apple and went I threw caution to the wind because I'm so curious now to what is happening, and something definitely is happening. I run back into the forest and I pretty far into the tree line, and I asked.

26:38 I said, okay, I have this apple for you. It's really good. It's a gift. You can eat it, but you have to show me where you want it. You have to show me. And all of a sudden, like out of the blue, out of a non windy day, these three tall pine trees started shaking back and forth, almost like hitting each other, like it was no small movement. They were a good sized pine trees. And I'm probably you know, tenints is a diameter, which is not huge, but like I said, not small either to move and these three trees just started shaking back and forth, taking back and forth, and I'm like, okay, that's where you want it. So then I ran over to the trees and I climbed up on another tree, and I stuck the apple up pretty high so like a deer wouldn't be able to necessarily as high as I could get it up there so that whatever I was leaving this apple for it could get to it. And based on the idea that it would be sasquatch. And as soon as I took the apple up there and started eating mine and explaining that they could eat it again, I didn't know any I'm totally naive to the whole research thing, right, so I didn't know people had been given them foods and apples and all this stuff. I just watched the gimless film and then met up with someone to take me up in the forest and anyway, all of a sudden, on my right side, from this very dense, bushy kind

28:10 of area where I really couldn't see in there, I heard a vocalization and it was a long, gravelly growl grumble, but not aggressive. It wasn't like a hiss or a you know, nothing aggressive. But the crazy and most beautiful thing about it was is it was honestly punctuated by a question mark at the end. So my breathing and my vocal range will not allow me to do exactly what I heard, but I'll give you a little short version.

28:50 So basically, all of a sudden, I hear this all like the question mark at the end, and I didn't know what was happening. I didn't know what was going on, and I turned and I looked towards my colleague who was at the ATV squatted behind the ATV with a gun, And hindsight makes me wonder after all these years, because when I really again I was naive when I went in, Why hadn't he pulled out a camera instead of pulling out his gun. So there's a part of me that may suspect that he really just did want to shoot one and maybe that's why they didn't like him. So because I've never been able to answer that question, like in all of that interaction, that was basically his job was to protect me, yes, but more importantly to film, and he never pulled out a camera. So I'll leave that at that. So I turned to him after this this vocalization, and I scream at him at the top of my lungs, are you effing with me? Are you effing kidding me? You know? Are you playing me right now?

30:16 Like what is going on? And he just raised his hands up in the air and he said, and with a gun in one hand, don't kid yourself. And he said, I'm right here. I'm not doing anything. He says, keep talking, just keep talking, And so then I talked some more and then it vocalized again. But the truth was it was sunset. I had a six am slide out, totally naive to this whole process, and realized that I had to go, and so I just said, dude, I'm so sorry, but I have to leave. I have to leave in the morning, and I'm so happy that you're here, and here's an apple for you. I think too. I was in a little bit of a state of shock because I didn't know what was going on. So it's hard for your It was hard for my brain to process this kind of crazy phenomena that was happening, and so especially the vocalization, like what was that? You know? And part of me was so still new at this research.

31:23 Like I said, I wasn't a totally a believer when I went into the forest the first time, and so I was a little bit discombobulated by it all and naively left. I should have canceled my flight and stayed forever, but nevertheless, we drive away, get on the ATV, and we drive back, begin to drive back to camp. And this is when I really realized that this was paranormal. Like there's no doubt that it's biological, but it also is paranormal. And that's because as we started to maneuver the ATV back up this hill and we're moving away from you know where, I just had this experience all of a sudden, everything bigs.

32:12 A society will be right back after these messages. In my body was devastatingly sad, like it felt like when you break up with a significant other and you're the heartbroken one. It was just so hard and so sad, and I started crying, and it was and I'm observing myself because this is an out of context emotional response, and this is part of Sasquat's phenomena. Right here, I am crying because I'm leaving, and I can't even figure out why I would be crying over that. And then I turned my head back and looked where I just had that interaction, and it was it came to me very clear. It said, Sonya, this is him you're having This is him. He's sad that you're leaving. And then that's like when I said, we drove off, and it sealed the deal for me that this was twenty percent biological and eighty percent what the heck is going on paranormal And so, but I am a science girl. You know,

33:44 I have an education, and I like things to be testable, repeatable, and so in my own research, you know, I wanted to maintain a certain air of credibility, and I think a lot of people who deal with the paranormal aspect of it, that's what they're trying to do, is maintain credibility in a field where it's really hard to have credibility just because by the nature of the fact that you're in that field. And that's I think that's why you have a lot of big footers who completely yell at the paranormal people because they want it to be one hundred percent biological and it's not not the way we understand biology. That was like my first experience, and that's when I really knew that something was up. And then you know, when I got home, I had the Hitchhiker effect, which I told no one about except for my close colleagues at all. And what that means is the Hitchhiker effect is that the font of phenomena follows.

34:53 You go home and you start having things happen or under home, and I did. I would come home and find tree branches stuck in the earth, you know, at least six inches deep, with no explanation, all of a sudden, and I would come home and find sticks like that. Sometimes they didn't even make sense all you had to do was touch him and they would like fall over like they were so they were so like uniquely placed that they were also placed in a kind of balance. And I can only say this as a phenomenon because it never happened before. I lived on that property for over five years and I never found that until after I came home from Montana. I was given gifts entrails and one time a dear and I will say a deer because I was flying out early in the morning and the night before I had heard this crazy scream in my backyard and it did not sound like a deer, although it could have been the deer based on what I discovered then in the morning. And I didn't go out at night to check out what that was because we also had cougars in my area and I'd seen them on my property before. So yeah, Anyway, I woke up in the morning, hit in my car and I see behind my house, I see vulture circling and I'm like,

36:27 that's really strange, and so I went out into my backyard to see what it was, and there was a deer there. But the crazy thing was about. It is that there was a perfect circle. Cut out of its abdomen area. It was a perfect circle and there was like nothing in there. So it was so hard to explain. It was just like blood and so. But the thing was is the cut on it was a perfect circle. Now, if there's a hunter out there right now, it's going to say, oh, I've seen perfect circles cut into carcasses, then maybe it was the cougar. But from all I know is the cougar leaves, which had happened before, is cougar leaves heads they leave ahead.

37:25 You come out on your property and there's a deer head. That's what you find when a cougar's been there. So I, like I said, if I'm mistaken in that, then I am. But I've not talked to anybody who could explain the perfect circle. And the vultures hadn't landed yet. It was so bizarre. It was the weirdest thing. And I know Randy Brisson has also been left gift of deer and elk. One time he got out of his tent and there were elp legs hung in branches around his tent. And so they do bring gifts like cats. Sometimes those gifts may not be so palatable for us, but nevertheless they do it. Then. Also, that's the place where I received my heart rock, one of the most beautiful things. And if you watch the Flash of Beauty, you can see those rocks. You can see you'll be able to physically see what I'm talking about. But I had taken my property backed up to two hundred acre like non develop a land. It was owned by the federal government. It wasn't a park, but there had been in that marsh back there. There is a lily that only grows in that marsh, one place in the whole planet. And so they the government came in and took two hundred acres

38:57 and made it a non divil So I had this amazing wildlife corridor that ran through my property, and I love that. But the truth is, there were never any people back there. As long as I lived there. I was, like I said, there for five years, and I was out there every day because I do photography, and so I was out there all the time. And then I did nature photography for quite some time, and so I was always out there. I never saw another human walking back there, ever, So one day I decided to leave a crystal in an oak tree back there, hidden and just to see what would happen because I was now I was starting to acknowledge that I had a hitch hiker.

39:44 And because there's part of me not even acknowledging it, so many things happened, like my wood pile would be messed with. I would come out, I have and I have pictures of these where my chopping block, which was this massive redwood round literally I couldn't really lift it myself, not because it was so heavy, more that it was so heavy and so awkward. I couldn't lift it alone. There's no way. And I came out one morning and to get some wood, and the wood block is on top of the wood pile, and I'm just like, really like, how who did that? Are I?

40:25 You know, are my neighbors that are about a mile away sneaking over here at night messing with me because they know I do bigfoot? Like how does that happen? So things like that happened all the time, and again I would just say okay, all right, that happened, and then, like I said, part of me just wouldn't just like okay. I would be a bit dismissive. And so finally I decided to play and I left a tiger I heart shaped crystal in an oak tree and that area out there, and I had to come back. I left it out there for six weeks and nothing had happened, and it had moved sometimes like I knew it was facing this way or it had moved. But again, you know, a squirrel, a raven could do that easily. But it never fell off the tree. It'd be it won't be moved, but not off the tree had a special little like crevice that I put it in. Anyway, after six weeks, I decided that nothing was happening, so I should just bring the heart back, like okay, all right, nothing's going on.

41:43 I here bring that heart back. And so the next morning I woke up and on my doorstep. On my doorstep was a natural rock that was a heart shape that was literally almost the same identical size as my crystal shape and everything. Matter of fact, the crystal, there's a part of the crystal that had this vein that didn't polish smooth because it was a little too deep. And this rock, this natural naturally formed rock, hearts had the same crevasse they were. It was out. It was unbelievable, you know. And again I have talked a little bit about this, you know, about the paranormal side, because it also was so beautiful, like I love those hearts, They're amazing, Like how does that happen? And you know, and again, I never saw sas that. I never saw sasquatch. Everything I am talking about is the phenomena of sasquatch. So there's a part of me wonders, you know, like what paranormal thing it really is? How did something follow me home and play with me like that?

43:12 Exactly, Sonia. I've got more than a few questions of this whole account is absolutely incredible. At any point when you got back home, did you start having very vivid dreams or start hearing voices or anything like that. Well, that's very interesting because that would only happen when I was around Mike Patterson. And I worked with Mike Patterson out of Toronto, and I do know that there's a large part of the community that doesn't believe him, and you know, that's really sad. But what I can tell you is his area is the most paranormal I've ever been in, hands down, the most paranormal. And Mike and I worked together for a while and he came out to California, and when I was around him, I would get visuals like there was one like a white a white sasquatch. I would see it just pop into my mind, you know. And it happened several times while we were working together out in California. And then the first, the first craziest thing that happened is when I went out the first time to his territory and I walked into this cabin. We opened the door, and he walked ahead, you know, and he picked his room and took his

44:43 stuff into where he was going to stay. And then I walked in and started putting the stuff in my room, and I hear this. I hear I heard that call that might call that he says where Nepatia says Mike like, I heard it play his day. And so I walked back over in his room and I'm like, what are you doing? And he's like, I'm just unpacking, you know, getting my stuff out. I go, did you play NeXT's voice? And he's like, no, what are you talking about? You know? I go, did you play a recording? He's like no, you know, he's totally oblivious to what happened. And I clearly heard that. So yeah, I did have mine speak, but mine speak for me was heightened when I was around Mike Patterson and Randy Berson. Randy Person's territory is pretty amazing and well well habituated. You know. Mike Patterson's been going to his territory for years now, I don't know, like twelve years or something, I ten years, you know.

45:44 And Randy Berson he was raised in those woods, you know. He he's in British Columbia and his territory. You know, from the age of zero to sixteen, he ran that territory barefoot. He didn't even wear shoes back there. He was definitely part of that territory. Thinks a society will be right back after these messages.

46:25 And he's had, you know, that's why he has so much kind of evidence like he has. You can go on YouTube. I've never seen a red bear that looks like an orangutang in in you know, in British Columbia. But you know, if you want to call it an orangutang, okay. But he clearly got a really great shot of something walking away from a tree, actually just starting to stand up and move away from the tree. And it's autumn orange, like autumn red. It's orange. It's not like, I don't think that's a bear. I've never seen an orange bear.

47:11 So and it doesn't the shape of it actually still doesn't really look like a bear. So those two people, when I would work with them, the phenomena would just be off the chart. I had in Randy's territory, like right in a row. And I don't know what this means, like maybe they didn't want me back there there, they didn't like me or Randy that day, But you know, I saw two trees go down and one day, within twenty minutes of each other, and about you know, a block apart kind of, and they were big, massive trees. I don't know how many people have seen a tree go down in the forest, not saying it doesn't happen, but like we're walking down the trail and I said, they follow you out. We were leaving, and then the tree went down. It was a massive tree, bright behind us.

48:07 And then we walked a little bit farther like two minutes or whatever, a minute or so, and another one went down and not you know, anywhere near us to hurt us or any way that it would have got us. But what was that? How often the two trees go down in the forest way and you witness it are Randy's Randy's territory is is amazing. There are so many things, and so the kind of impath the mind speak would definitely happen more be it would definitely be more prevalent around Randy and might out of my own. I didn't really get the mind speak. I know, the one, like I said, the first one shared its emotions with me, But I didn't have like any sort of like dialogue, you know. But like I said, that first day, walking into the cabin, and I hear Mike, and I'm thinking, and I'm not even thinking, you know that Mike's messing with me more than I'm thinking. Maybe he was on his computer going through some of his stuff. Mike is super dedicated to the research. He's He's about ninety more percent obsessed than I am, and so he takes this research very seriously and it's a massive part of his life.

49:37 With that said, you know, I know people have a hard time with his stuff, but that is just what it is. I'm just saying from my personal experience, the place is most paranormal i've ever been in. And another reason why this one colleague of mine I said that I worked with in the past and said, I said that if they I didn't like him. I've heard people say that they can give you headaches, they can give you like a pain, like brain freeze. And when I was with Randy and this colleague, we were walking through the forest and we're on this trail. All of a sudden, I started to feel a migraine come on. And I was like, oh, no, I'm going camping for three days and I'm going to get a migraine. And I'm like no.

50:32 And then just as I was saying no, both this colleague and Randy fell to the ground like this the same time, with their heads hurting. They're like, oh, so that happened. There's some sort of connection with sasquats with Y six, like the letter why that perfectly are shaped like a Y for the most part, and all of their barks is peeled. And sometimes you'll find them in the forest, like the Blair Witch project. Something's made art of them, you know, And it's a very strange kind of thing to see in the forest. But I do think I was never creeped out by them, but I thought they were something they do like building as the structures, right, but this is more like an art form. Oh here's really quick, a beautiful physical story, so amazing. I was up in Nordic Canada, get on an ATV, just flying down this road and I saw a tree break and it was massive. It was at least nineteen feet tall, and it was a one twist break.

52:00 It's like they say, at the. The end of the tree was still alive. And I think, my colleagues stop. He didn't stop, and it's so funny. I was like, no, we have to, Well, you've got to stop and look at this thing. He goes, I want to know about that. He goes, I don't want to know about it. And then I walked into the tree line. I said, well, i'll be back, and I walked into the tree line and there was the space. And it was about the size of.

52:42 I'll say that's twenty by twenty area where they were all these tiny structure like that. One of them was over three feet and they're about thirty of them. It was so beautiful. I don't know what that was about. How far away from civilization were you at that point? I get this eight miles from a cell signal. WHOA Yeah, yeah, this is with. An individual that we're leaving unnamed. Correct. Throughout your years of research, has there been anything that you learned that you felt scared to share because it would change the community or world too much?

53:38 No? Okay, Actually, I think in all life, and for me especially, you know, I have to bottom out of the truth, you know, and the truth. I believe that the truth is more. Important than anything. And you know, we live in a time where people don't no longer even think that the truth is important or that the truth is esoteric. It's not a real thing, which is frightening to me. You know, red is read. That is a truth, you know. And so this idea that I mean, I know for a fact we'll get into the kind of the you know, this other conspiracy. The part of the Bigfoot world is that you know, the government's keeping us from this knowledge.

54:32 And I believe that one hundred percent, as do I. Yeah, definitely, there's too. Many stories of where, you know, of where, especially like the one first one that comes to mind is, of course, you know Mount Saint Helen's. I believe that story. There are too many witnesses there's like five witnesses that I'll coroborate that the government showed up and helped a family of staff Watch regain their health. Did you talk to people directly witnesses or these are things that you've read places or heard, like seen it.

55:12 A documentary like thing about Mail Ornier. No, I never talked to them firsthand. But that's just the story that I believe. I don't know why. When you hear what the gentlemen say about it, it's pretty it's pretty amazing. And just wait, Brett and Jill and Chob the Mike are doing another film and it's on Ron Sierra Sounds, and the story is gonna the story is huge, Like what Ron has shared is such a small part of all that went on. And probably just because you know, I don't think he was hiding anything more or being elusive more than the most important thing was you know, working to get someone to buy you know, scientifically, the credibility of the Sierra Sounds, of that reposed recordings, which you know, their recording that's been on eight track tapes.

56:13 You know, it wasn't like the technology. Today, Oh exactly, yeah, yeah, it's it was a whole whole different ball game. So far, we've talked about Montana, British Columbia, and you said Alberta as well. Right, Patterson is in out of the Toronto area. Okay, gotcha, gotcha. Did you do any expeditions or research in Oregon or Washington State? You know, I was invited once at the album Moon Lab. But and we had we had some things happened. Well, yeah, the black cats showed up. Third part of that heart story happened. It's very unusual. My neighbor came over. I had just I have to back up. Okay, So unfortunately I lost two precious little beings in my life. I lost cats. And they were brother and sister, and they were just they had so much personality, like they were Instagram famous worthy, especially the little boy because he was a munchkin cat. But I let him be indoor, outdoor, and so you know, he thought he was an eight foot tall tom cat when he just had you know, these lakes that were he was adorable, like a Welsh Corgie cat. Just imagine that. And anyway, by sieves, And

57:47 what I never had imagined ever, is that an animal would simply die of a broken heart. So when you have cats, you know everything cats are like chickens. Everything wants to kill your cap me. So like everything wants to eat chicken either, like there's not an animal they won't eat a chicken, And there's lots of predators for cats indoor outdoor. You just know that one day you're gonna come home. Either coyote, a hawk, the bob cats, or your neighbor's dog is gonna get your cat. So when the neighbors dog took Shiva, I was devastated, but I surrendered a long time ago to the possibility of that being a reality. But Collie, after he passed away, his sister just crawled up on my bed and never really left, didn't want to go outside. She'd still eat, she'd still get cuddles, but she virtually never left my bed.

58:56 And then she died. She died. She was so sad. So looting them was really difficult. They had brought me a joy in their personalities, and then the way they went out was very bittersweet because they just didn't let me know how close that those two really were. Anyway, sorry about my cats, but it leaps into the story where my neighbor like four years later or no, four years later. Two years later, two years later, I'm going down and I live in a small apartment complex and I'm going down to go do something. And my neighbor walked up to me. She was Fannia.

59:48 She says, I had the weirdest thing happened. And I'm like, what happened? And she said, well, she said, I just got back from the grocery store and when I got out of my car, there was nothing by my door. And when I came back, this is by my door. And she said something said to me that it belongs to you. Well, she handed me this heart, and it was a heart made from like pottery. Big for society will be right back after these messages.

1:00:37 It was human me. But when I and it was really beautiful. But when I flipped it over, it had a white cat looking up towards the heavens that looked like my little Feva. He was a white and gray cat, and this his cat's kind of whitish and gray. And I'm like, whoa, And then the whole kind of like I knew this was for you. I didn't know my neighbor that well. I would say high in passing, you know, but I'd never like been for a house and even had tea you know so or something like that. So for her to say this is for you and to give it to me, and then to go upstairs and look at my rocks, my heart rocks that I already got, and that that heart was also the exact same size, And so I really believe that was a gift from self squats, from spirits their energy, just knowing that there there was a deep hurt there. So then when it was literally filming, and this all has to do with Orgon, I know it's going a long ways to get to Oregon, but anyway, I was invited down to the Owl Moon Lab with Toe wh who's foo the al Moon Lab also with Paranormal definitely had some energy there and we've experienced it because as we're filming well before that, the

1:02:13 day before, we were hiking through the forest and my friend and I saw a black cat that looked just like my colleague And it was so interesting because it's not very often you're out in the forest in Oregon and you see a cat just trumpling through the forest. That's never been my experience in hiking. You see a cat, a domestic cat just running, but Nevertheless, my best friend and I both thought this black cat and thought that was really interesting. And then the next day Brett and Bill were filling me and Mike, and as we were talking right in front of us, between the camera and myself, Brett notices this round like coin that has a smiling black cat on it. It's like a wood coin with a smiling black cat. And we all just looked at that because they know the story about my cats. They knew the story and.

1:03:17 If they'd never seen that there. Before, and Toby had never seen that before, I was sitting there right there in the driveway. The truth is for me about Bigfoot is ninety of It has been in a way absolutely terrifying, but the experience always was actually really glorious. It's just so big, you know, like whatever Bigfoot is, whatever Sasquat is, it's so big. And I don't mean physically, you know that it's it makes an impression, you know. I've never experienced something that big, like not even an elephant, something so big that you know, and so smart and wise, because it like leaves things for you at places like I do believe that that heart I spoke of earlier with the white cat was left for me by big fence. That kind of knowing and understanding. And then if you've experienced a little bit of mind to speak, and then when I talk about the bless charge, you know, I experience how fast they are, Like I'm a little bit, you know, honestly traumatized by that, like what what was that?

1:04:51 Like? What moves that fast? And then to know that it's an intelligence being that knows you're the wood before you do, so it has its moment of intimidation, which I think when you were saying you heard a lot of screaming and hollers like I know, I wonder and I'm going to ask you was not in some way frightening? It was really interesting. It definitely, I would say physically I had a frightened response to it. Felt like the blood rushed out of my head down to my feet. It was hard to kind of keep in control, you know of like okay, don't freak out type deal. Yeah.

1:05:40 Have you ever heard of anything where bigfoot or sasquatch responds to someone playing a musical instrument on expedition anything at that? Well, I think all animals respond to music, And I mean I've played music in the forest, and you know, the owls show up. Inevitably, owls will show up. But I think sometimes it has to be the right kind of music, like maybe the harder music, maybe more intimidating. Maybe they might be intrigued but not come close. But something beautiful. I mean, there's these wonderfully sweet videos of people who go out and play violin for cows and for the dairy cows, and those dairy cows love that.

1:06:35 They'll run over to the fence and hang out and listen to their little music, you know. So I I definitely have played music in the forest, and I've had I've definitely had a response with that, for sure, beautiful response. Like one time and Randy's territory, I played music that I that I was connected to at a deep level. And I also sometimes would do a meditation and sometimes I would do a prayer. You know, I think reverence to this space that we are given is what we are sorely lacking right now. If you really look at the earth and you see that it is abundant, ever vestens and teeming with life, you know, I like to give some thanks for that, some reverence for that. And so sometimes the songs I would play, would kind of reflect that feeling in me. And one of the most beautiful experiences I've ever had is that afterwards there were these thirteen vocalizations just a little bit after.

1:08:09 And again, once. Again, I won't have the breathing capacity nor probably the vocal possibility of actually doing what I heard someone maybe opera could for sure, But it sounded like this, but it was much longer, you know, with that sweet little just dropped down and in the melody, it was so it was so beautiful, and there were thirteen of those vocalizations, and Randy said that they liked what I did and that we needed to leave.

1:09:02 We need to leave. Yeah, right, that is that was beautiful. Thank you for doing that. I mean, I think that sounded absolutely absolutely marvelous. Thank you. Yeah. So, And there's just so many things, you know, like I've seen effervescence in the forest, in that meditative space, in that reverent space. I really learned in a. Humble way, but like shocking to me that I how curative I am and can be, you know, for actually hearing you know, like sticking with the research, like every opportunity getting out there, but I can get out there knowing, like I said, that ninety percent of it was going to be terrifying, but all of it would be glorious.

1:09:53 If anything Bigfoot taught me is that there is so much more beauty than I'd ever imagined on this planet. You've mentioned meditation a few times. How did that play into your Bigfoot research? Well, I, like I said, I would often if I got to the opportunity, you know, to do what I felt was reverent. In the fourth it came about like this. I mean even from my first expedition, it was just kind of this logical thing. And it's not to be so hard on humanity. I love humans. We're fragile and we make really big mistakes. And I think we're a lot more fragile than we own it any given time, because our species is really fallible to making, like I said, huge mistakes, and non humans are not like that. When the Europeans first got here, there are a couple of things that happened. One, they were not on an anthropological expedition.

1:11:02 A lot of people don't know that. Immediately on the East coast they killed over two million wolves. Right away, and then a few years later. You know, it wouldn't be less and I don't know how many years, but maybe twenty years later they would be in the Midwest shooting seven million bison. So if you were this like human like species, cousin of a human, even like a Neanderthal, you know, whatever this being could be. And it is again with all the paranormal. The paranormal is true, but so is the biology. The biologies there or we wouldn't have footprints. So so if you were this nocturnal species that interacted lightly with humans, which is kind of what a lot of the First Nations people say about their experience with sasquatch, you know, some traded berries, you know, some traded you know, they would trade salmon for berries or whatever, leave baskets in the forest for each other. So they interacted. And not all the stories like that, but quite a few of them are. You get quite a few of those sorts of countings. So if you were just like again, elusive but friendly, larger being that shared space, but you're nocturnal and you start

1:12:35 hearing gunfire for the first time, you go invisible, and so that just seems to me to be logical. And therefore I thought, wow, I'm sure it's been many years since they have seen us be really reverent in the force. Of course, people hike and appreciate and love nature. They are there's many of us that are like that. But really just to go out and do an act of reverence, like to really like go into a deep space of meditation of prayer and say thank you for all that all is, you know. And so I thought, wow, if I do something like that, you know, I just want to show them something of beauty, and that's all I have is my prayer. I would do that.

1:13:31 It makes so much sense because I've been in this really just a few years, but I have experienced being in an area to actually just this last summer of where it's a known Sasquatch area, But stuff only happened if certain people were there that had a different viewpoint towards the subject, rather than people that trying to say it a certain way. But I think it all comes down to your your intention of why you're doing this, and if you're in it just for a certain reason, you're probably not going to experience a lot of activity.

1:14:12 Right, So that's it's like a consciousness thing, yeah, right. The more your consciousness is aligned with a higher force in our forests, the more your consciousness is appreciative of that, Like, whatever it is, it's a consciousness thing. Where like my one colleague, I knew they didn't like him for some reason. You know, they were always aggressive, you know, or you know, or certain type of elusiveness you know, like, yeah, but they didn't show up, which is also pretty amazing. But I do think that a part of that had to do just with my openness to my curiosity, and it came from my heart.

1:15:06 Yeah, it wasn't coming from my head, big so society will be right back after these messages. It was truly like that's what I said. What shifted seemed almost paranormal, is that this whole thing for me started. It came straight from my heart, Like what, there's this thing? What you know? And I remember this always even now, just shaking my head like I did you know two thousand and seven, Like there's this possibility there is this other being in the forest, and we have not researched it and made and found out about it and you know, connected with it in a real level. Yeah. I was confounded that the scientific community had turned its back on this work. And even you know, being good, don't believe, but she's not interested in research, I think because she's like.

1:16:21 Leaving alone, right, that's funny, Yeah, exactly, but yeah, she has I believe there's there's video you can find where she talks about about that. Yeah, from what I've seen. Do you have any advice for individuals that are wanting to go into areas there's been known to have been bigfoot in that areas and things they might be able to do in order to try to have that contact. Well, I think, you know, just go in and be peaceful and do what you're going to do, like set the intention, you know, you set the tension. You know, I'm here, I'm here to see you. That's kind of what I said at the beginning, like come out where it come out because I'm here to see you, like I'm here for you, And so I think that openness will help I for some reason, I know this is really personal, but I cannot stand the use of lights at night. M I know it's hard to be in the force when it's dark, but there's something about them that are disorienting to the space, and so the space is calmer when it's natural. A light of a light

1:17:54 in the force is an intrusion, especially the big led lights that see for three miles, Like nobody wants that at night, No night creature wants set. I will. I'll tell you something that happened in Oregon one night when we were in this area. We were right in front of this meadow and there's a tree line at the other side of it, and we knew we were there out there, and this one individual takes a very high powered flashlight and starts shining it along the woodline and almost immediately there was a massive, huge wood crack right to the right of where this flashlight was shown. But it just had this feeling like, you know, get that get that light out of here. It was maybe almost like a warning. I don't know. It was very weird though, how it was in then half a second when the light was shone over there.

1:18:51 It's really funny. Along with your story, what it reminded me of is the story when and I think it may Meldrum may have been up there. I don't remember what group the cabin where they supposedly got blood samples. Oh are you talking about the Snell Drove Lake cabin with Doug Hicheck. I don't remember who I'm so sorry, I just but it's you know, it's a pretty famous one where they're like these four researchers in this cabin. They've been known for activity, and they had had rocks thrown and like people had reported rocks being thrown and pretty aggressive behavior.

1:19:34 Well I thought it was really funny and something just seems like kind of off. But so before men are there, it's getting pretty late. They're all been about to hit the pay and so one of them walks out onto the deck and pees into the forest, which is fine, what are you going to do? You're going to the bathroom. But right after that is when they had all this like all this aggressive behavior, rocks being thrown and screens and yellow and all these vocalizations. And I always thought that was really funny. I'm like, yeah, well maybe this thing just how you walk out and be like and it's a little hold, do you know what I mean?

1:20:21 I just thought that was so funny. But it's a really well known case about them being up there and being attacked, and then suppose they put out this what they did, they put out this that had little spikes on it and so if something stepped on it, they would have blood and hair well, they got the blood and hair from that, So I never remember how scientifically that turned out for them, if it was unknown or what kind of species, because it happened. That happened probably about twenty years ago. It's from an old Monster Quest episode. There's actually two of them, yes, yep, yep, and Dog actually ended up going up this last year again and he's going to be reporting on that in a future documentary.

1:21:12 I think I do believe they are like people though in the sense, like what like humans in the sense, but sometimes they don't want you in their territory. Hm. Yeah, and they're not going to hurt you, but you may not have a pleasant experience because there are there are reports that reflect this, and I think we have to also have a certain amount of respect for that. If you're going into a territory where you're getting aggressive behavior, you may want to think about that, you know, I know, Okay, So just take this for what it is. I don't know if I'm making it too much about it, but it also is one of the strangest things that ever happened.

1:22:08 So there's a place called Doshi Wallops and I have the activity that goes on back there is a lot of rock throwing, and so it doesn't feel like overly like you know, friendly, there's just like I said, the reports are rock throwing. And you hear screams back there at night, for sure, and but we hear vocalizations. A lot of people hear it, and yeah, it's many. And I went back there, and like. I do like to leave crystals. I leave them because you know, I think there's something beautiful and something that would draw attentions. But yet it's not like a plastic toy. I'm not littering and not leaving something that in its own right doesn't belong in the force already. So way, and I went back there.

1:23:03 I had a rose quartz heart that was as big as a baseball. It was some really good chunk. And I went out there and with the intention to bring, like you know, an offering of goodwill. And I we walked probably a good five miles back into that area and I went off trail. I went up the hill a bit and I found this tree stump and it was the tree stump itself would be easy enough to see from the trail, but technically there'd be no reason for anybody to go up there. Maybe to go to the bathroom, but the hill itself was so steep I think someone would look for an easier place to do that.

1:23:54 So I really did try to hide it, but also have a marker for where exactly I hit it right, And so I did it at this where this trail starts to go up this very steep ridge and it splits and you can follow another way. And so I go up to this tree stump that is massive and it's pretty tore up, but it was a good five feet in diameter at the base, and I find this little spot and I put it in the tree, a little ledge that all you could kind of see was this a tad bit of the pink, you know, just so you kind of saw that there might be something unusual.

1:24:39 But I definitely left it for the most part out of sight as much as possible, and like I said, set the intention for good will. And we walked back in about three weeks later, and the tree stump was gone, completely gone, and it didn't even look like like there wasn't a whole there. It didn't even look like like you would think maybe it was rotted in the forest service maybe thought it could be, even though it really could not be a danger, but you know, they pulled things out or something. No, No, that tresump was gone.

1:25:25 Now I don't know what to make up about that, but it doesn't feel welcoming. I would agree with you definitely. That is a very strange account. I have. Two more questions and I first, I just want to say thank you for spending your time with me and for sharing some extremely interesting things from your years of research. Have you ever heard anything come out of the Lake Cushman area? Oh yeah, I mean the Olympic Witt It's I mean this is and Vancouver Island, you know, reportedly where you have the most credible witness reports of sasquatch, you know, with Oregon coming like I think Vancouver Island then then Washington and Oregon kind of in that order. I may be wrong, but it feels kind of that way. So there are a lot of spots here. I mean, there's the Olympic Forest is a hot spot, like you know, like like some of the Oregon forests are. I'm like, northern California is right, I mean, people still have experiences down there in the Arcada area, you know, Like one of my favorite stories about that is I have a

1:26:56 few friends who are X or you know which I you know, retired military that said, you know, they used to do drills all you do drills all over and they'll like drop you in somewhere and you just in the forest with nothing and you just have to survive. And those are some of my best reports because those people didn't believe until they were in the forest with nothing. For ten days, when they would have interactions during that time. Oh and here just maybe even just hear the calls, you know, and just know, you know what I mean, and hear the vocalizations or have the rock thrones or stuff like that, you know, like, yeah, of course you know they're real. Another Oh my goodness. Okay, this is another one of my real, truly favorite stories about Bigfoot, and it really has nothing to do with being in the field or anything. So I had my thirtieth high school reunion and I hadn't made my twentieth, so I decided, oh, why not, let's do this, and I reconnected with my high school best friend. And I was really surprised when I got to the reunion and I just didn't even think about it, but everybody was really like interested in the Bigfoot thing and knowing more about what I was doing in that research. And I was really super sweet that,

1:28:28 you know, I had no idea like people would know, you know, especially from my high school. Anyway, my best friend at the time, we went together and afterwards I was staying with her and so for the weekend just also to just like I said, just reconnect from all those years past. And we get back to our house and she hadn't said anything to me at all about Bigfoot, and I was kind of surprised she hadn't said a word. And when people were talking to me about Bigfoot, she kind of just like do her own things, you know. And then but when we got home, she gets out a bottle of wine. She pours us each a glass.

1:29:11 She SIPs me down on the couch and she looks at me and she goes, sonya, she goes, you know, my dad was his only job in life. He was a retired ranger, forest ranger. Well, I had forgotten said her dad was a forest ranger. When I was in high school, I had never really you know, thought about that. I was like, oh, yeah, she said, sonya, she goes, we lived in that force. We live in that force. My dad works in that force. We know they're real, she. Goes, but you don't go looking for them, begs, so society will be right back after these messages.

1:30:07 That's crazy, remember having like I really felt like my brain, like I said, this is how this stuff is on that edge of paranormal for me. How I respond because she kept saying to me, that's crazy, and I said, I know, like I know, you know, but nothing in me was ever going to stop, like I get it, I hear you, you know, thank you. I know it's crazy, but there was, Like I said, I knew she was trying to warn me, but what was so odd about it is it just didn't land that way with me, Like I couldn't even hear it as a warning. It didn't matter. And I've never had that kind of like real, like this non good, negotiable experience, you know. But her just leaning over to me like we know they're real, you don't go looking for them. That's crazy, that's funnyest that's crazy. That's how she was saying it. And I was like blown away.

1:31:29 It's fascinating, and I think that we keep going in years and maybe this is me speaking as a new person to the subject. But it feels like the further I do this, the more emails I start getting from park rangers and forestry workers that say I want to come forward, then they don't end up doing it, But just the fact that they're even sending them gives me the feeling that we might be getting closer to more information come out. But I mean that might be me as a new person. I don't know. I hope so. But you know, like I said, we have this, we're having an odd relationship with the truth. Like all these years, it feels like UFO has been suppressed, and now that UFO is out in the open, it's like, oh, well, it could be the government doing that, you know what I mean. Like so, and you know, there's all these new possibilities and new types of information, and you know, we're kind of bogged down with all of it. I think it's a little bit too much information, to be honest, to our brains, it's a lot we're meant to not handle so much. I just want everyone to know that it is real and that everybody keep doing the research, like, just keep doing it is fascinating.

1:32:55 I feel it is fascinating as well. The last question that I would like to ask, and I need to get you're okay for it too? First? Is it okay if I ask a question about your cancer? Oh? Yeah, of course, thank you, because I've never been able to ask this question. And you'll get what I mean in a minute. So there's always a thought process in the community where there'll be people that have they at the you know, they end up having these horrible health conditions.

1:33:37 And as a person that is experiencing cancer but was also a Bigfoot researcher and able to talk to you at this point, do you yourself feel like there's a connection between what you're experiencing with your bigfoot research from years past. Well, you know, to be quite honest with you, we can't rule it out as possibility, right because there's evidence for it, and it could very well be that the shift in, for lack of a better word, the shift in an energetic dimension, no matter how that happens, could be tonxic. And to even substantiate that from a very interesting source. But if we do look at the Bible as history as well, there is the accounts of the early Hebrew priests having to wear special jackets when they went into the temples to protect themselves from the energy, and that would be the energy of force, like another dimensional being. If you want to call that God for them, then that's great. But the or whatever, you know, whatever spirituality you have, like you believe that was an experience of God. But if you read the Bible and especially the Book of Enoch, you know, you discover that they

1:35:07 would be hurt by these things, by these interactions with God. You know, they were often told not to look, you know, and to where like I said, the priests would the early priests, they would wear they would definitely wear these special jackets. So is it plausible. It's entirely plausible. And you know, it could be just with even the paranormal activity in general, Like maybe it's not a SABS squad specific, but just a paranormal energy, right, because there is I mean, isn't there some I'm asking you about this because I don't rightly know, But isn't there some evidence that would substantiate that a lot of these hotspots have an increase in radioactivity? Is that not true?

1:36:02 Well? Is anyone measured for that? Actually there has been. Yeah, there's a couple of investigators out in West Virginia that we're able to get readings around an area where I believe there was a footprint, and they did find high, very high radioactive readings. That's Joe Purdue and Ron Lanham from West Virginia. So there definitely could be a correlation there. Yeah, and so you know that just might be the physical consequence. But also know there are equally stories about sasquatch healing people. You know, I have a friend, it's one of the kind of saddest stories. So, like I said, with sasquatch, the emotional experience, the aggressive, non aggressive, the loving.

1:36:55 There are examples and reports of all time of these experiences. So one of my friends who was an avid hunter and actually he used to love to hike and hike in the winter and he was out and he was a really experienced outdoorsman where he actually would do courses for people for survival and real backwards survival and anyway, so one time when he was out, he slipped in a creek and he fell and he hit his head and he knew he was going unconscious and he knew that was not a good thing as he was lying in the creek in the middle of winter, right, and so at some point he feels this beautiful, warm hand on his forehead, and he was instantly all right, But his years of being like an outdoorsman and a hunter just to kind of taught him to reach for his gun, and he automatically went for his gun. And he was

1:38:30 crying when he said it was just the worst decision he had ever made, because the being who had dishealed him, he wasn't even cold, just healed him, stood up and screamed, just this horrible, horrible, sad scream and ran off. That's incredible, oh man, right right, yeah, And you know this is like, you know, a fifty five year old man about you know, you know, definitely had his years many years you know, in the forest. He loved it the fife, and you know his response was completely natural, you know, completely yeah, to go to protect, you know, and so yeah, but you know he's he's just crying. Can never take that back.

1:39:49 It really does come down to how we react to these these creatures that are in the woods and sometimes not even the woods, sometimes around us. And I just want to say, Sonia, thank you so much for spending some time sharing about what you've experienced over the years and for teaching us some really interesting things that we can implement going forward in our research as well. Thank you so much for coming on Sonia. Jeremiah, thank you so much for having me and one last a little bit. Even though there's a possibility that my interactions had something to do with my cancer, this is quite true. I wouldn't I wouldn't change it a bit.

1:40:42 Just is what it is, a little bit of naive day. Maybe I don't say that that is the truth what happened, but if it is, then it is so Thank you so very much, Jeremiah. I really appreciate you having me and giving the chance to talk about things that I hadn't really talked about before. Special thanks again to Sonia for coming on the show to share what she's experienced over her Bigfoot research years, some of it for the first time ever. I appreciate you coming on the show, Sonya. As of time of editing November fourth, Sonya is still with us. There is a GoFundMe that has been created to help her in the last days of her life. You can find that in the description of this episode. If you feel led, please consider contributing to the gofundmeal. Again, thank you for coming on the show. Sonya. And thank you to all for listening. Please take a minute to help out the show by subscribing on YouTube, making sure you hit the bell so you don't miss any notifications, and share the episode on YouTube with a friend. Also, if you're listening to us on a podcast, thank you so much. Make sure that you're subscribed, share the show with a friend. Really, it's all about sharing the show wherever you can. If you've had a Bigfoot encounter related to the following, or

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