Nov. 11, 2024

What Really Happened in my Bigfoot Research: A Conversation with Sonya Zohar

Sonya Zohar, a Bigfoot researcher, recounts her decades-long investigation into the mysteries of Bigfoot. Sonya shares her initial skepticism, vivid encounters, and paranormal experiences in various locations including Montana, British Columbia, and...

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Season 1

Sonya Zohar, a Bigfoot researcher, recounts her decades-long investigation into the mysteries of Bigfoot. Sonya shares her initial skepticism, vivid encounters, and paranormal experiences in various locations including Montana, British Columbia, and in California. She details her first expedition where she felt an unexplainable connection with the elusive creature and the subsequent hitchhiker phenomenon where unexplainable events occurred at her home. Sonya also discusses her experiences with mind speak and the strange occurrences around researchers like Mike Paterson. Additionally, she reflects on the emotional and possibly health-related impacts of her research. This interview offers an insight into the blend of scientific inquiry and paranormal phenomena surrounding Bigfoot.

Resources:

Gofundme for Sonya: https://www.gofundme.com/f/support-sonya-zohars-peaceful-transition

Sonya Zohar on Flash of Beauty videos:

Flash of Beauty documentary: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIcse6kazn8

1st video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kz_SMaaThxc

2nd video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ll8V8yemmHo

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https://www.youtube.com/@SasquatchRandy

Sasquatch Ontario channel:

https://www.youtube.com/@SasquatchOntario

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The following interview was one of the hardest that I

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have done due to myself having a history with cancer

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in the nineteen eighties. When my friend Tob Johnson reached

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out to me two requests that I consider doing this

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interview as Sonia was at the point where she needed

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to get things on record that she never had. I

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dropped everything and made it work. As you can tell

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in this interview, I do have a head cold, but

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we may made this one work. Flash of Beauty recorded

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their interview that Sunday, and I did mine the following Monday,

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the day after. I was glad I was able to

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interview Sonya when I did, and please enjoy this interview.

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All right, Big the Society, we got the privilege of

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interviewing Sonia Zohar today. Sonya is a Bigfoot researcher based

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out of Washington State. How are you doing today, Sonya?

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I'm doing well today, Jeremiah, thank you for asking. As

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a lot of my friends and family now and I

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am in late stages cancer, so I'm short of breath

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sometimes so I might sound a little funny while we talk,

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but that's what's kind of going on right now, and

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so just let the audience know that right away.

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Yeah, absolutely, I think that's a great place to start.

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I was introduced to you by a mutual friend, Tob Johnson,

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who had told me that you were at the point

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where you were wanting to make sure that your story

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was fully fully shared, and there'd been more than a

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few things that you haven't really shared throughout your life

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about your research. So we're going to spend that time

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today to give you the chance and the opportunity to

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share what you would like to have shared about your life.

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Let's start at the beginning. What was it that that

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first got you into your bigfoot research?

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Well, that in itself to me looking back one and

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that's kind of the point of this. And as you know,

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I've I've been researching since two thousand and seven, and

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I've done physical expeditions and physical research, and I've also

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done a lot of obviously theoretical research.

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But given that all.

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Of these years, you know, the most important thing is

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to me was always to maintain a certain level of

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credibility while also like trying to share as much truth

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as possible, but the reality of my experience, you know,

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as it turns back, as I look back, you know,

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really about eighty percent of what I was dealing with

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was para normal. Twenty percent was physical. Yeah, you find

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a track every now, every now, and there'd be a

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rock throw, you know, you'd find the went swift breaks,

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and you know, you find physical evidences, but the interactions

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were always more than something natural. To give you example,

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the first my first expedition in Montana itself was pretty

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parent normal, but even more so, you know, I completely

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had the hitchhiker effects, and I never talked about that.

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Where after I was in Montana for my first expedition,

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when I came home, all of these things were happening

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at my home. And even, like I said, my interest

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in Bigfoot, looking back on it does seem a little strange.

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And why I say this is because I actually didn't

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believe in big size, and I love anthropology. Giant Foxy

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and Jane Bill and Ian Redman are like my heroes,

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and I never believed in Bigfoot because I believed in

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that misconception, like a lot of people, if something was

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that big in the force, we'd have to know, like

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there's no way with all the cameras and technology and

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people hiking, that is something that large was roaming the

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forest in North America that we've had to have seen

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it and a known about it. But so I never

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believed in it. And then I watched the television show.

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I had some friends of mine when I lived in

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Los Angeles kind of I kind of lovingly he pushed

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bully me into watching a bigfoot show, which I had

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no interest in. But I sat down with my friends,

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we had some beers. We watched this big Foot show

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and Jimmy Toolcutt was on the show and he talked

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about the significance of normal ridges and that the cast

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here he was given to analyz had dermal ridges. And

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then he said, you know, he would stake his twenty

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year career that we had an unknown a bipedal primate

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in North America. And when he said that, I just

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something in me, literally, like my whole since my whole

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being shifted and my whole life just flipped to Bigfoot.

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I mean I literally went to my computer and the

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energy was I had to know for myself there was

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nothing to prove. I wasn't going to go out and

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prove Bigfoot existed. It's like I just had to know

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for me if it did, I just couldn't imagine. No,

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we would have an eight to ten foot tall, you know,

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primy in our forest in North America and they had

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not been discovered. Like that just didn't make any sense

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to me whatsoever. And the first thing I did was

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watch the Patterson film for over a year and I

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didn't really watch too much commentary. I just watched the film,

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I mean the film every night over and over again

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to prove to myself that I believed it was legitimate

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or I believed it was fake. And once I came

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to determination, the determination for myself that it was completely legit,

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it's not a fake. And you know, mostly because Patty

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has breast, and a lot of researchers don't, you know,

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point that out. But we have to be very honest

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with ourselves and say, if it was a costume, even

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today in our human augmentations, when women get breast implants,

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they don't move. Yet here in sixty seven, you have

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a costume with moving breast on them, Like no, maybe

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if we can't do that at the highest technology that

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we have today, then there's no way in nineteen sixty

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seven that those cowboys pulled off moving breasts on a

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so tall being walking through the forest, And so that

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was kind of the clincher for me. I was like,

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this film is with it and why I'm saying like

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even this whole experience is a little paranormal is because

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I've never obsessed on anything like this. My personality is

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kind of like a tumbleweed. I enjoy all life. I've

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moved a lot, I've had many different careers, many different

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stages of my being that I've enjoy all of them.

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But I'm not someone to work at the same insurance

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job for twenty years, like as It's just not my personality.

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I might work there for four years, but not twenty, right,

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So for me to be so obsessed and just like

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passionately from the heart obsessed, it was noticeable, you know

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that it was weird to me, Like what is this

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thing called Bigfoot that I'm just completely enthralled with in

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every essence, you know, my scientific mind and the part

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of my essence that believes in the paranormal. You know,

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I'm an impath, So as a child and as an adult,

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I do experience ghosts, I'm not a dabbler, meaning I

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don't need to promote that energy in my life. I've

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never promoted it or never utilized it because I've always felt,

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like Nita says, if you stare into the abyss too long,

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the abyss stares back. Well, that is the truth about ghosts.

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Once they know if the haunting is conscious. Not all

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hauntings are conscious, but it's still hunting is conscious, and

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you're aware of it, then it becomes aware of you.

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And to me, that was always really creepy. I didn't

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like it, and so my whole life I just dismissed that,

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avoided it. I knew it was part of my life,

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but I wouldn't be someone who would open up, you know,

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let's go look for ghost hunters. Like no, I don't

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need to play with thats and so, like I said,

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just the beginning, the energy, the essence of being called,

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and that's how I really feel. I felt I was

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called to do this research and it was beyond my

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control even to do it. I was just so passionate

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about it and everything after that show in two thousand

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and seven became bigfoot in my life. And then on

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my first expedition when I was flying into Montana and

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I'm at the window seat and I look over this

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mountain path and I get this like energy I called

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for me being an impath, is you feel know something,

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you just feel know it? And I get this energy. Oh,

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they travel across here, and I was looking at the

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tops of the mountains and then I said what to myself,

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like what do you mean nature? But I knew, I

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knew this fast question was already speaking to me. Like

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again I dismissed that a little bit, but right at

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their dick though, right at the outset. And then we

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get out to this territory and you know, my first

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time out, you know, I have the bigfoot experience, which

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again is not common. You know, there are researchers who

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have been in the field for thirty years and yeah,

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they find tracks, they find tree brakes, they hear things,

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but having a full on experience of them may or

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may not happen for them and for me to like

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right away like the first time, and even that was

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really strange, like I got it, like who does that?

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Who goes out in the forest the first time with

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the intention to look for bigfoot, a soubsquatch and they

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have the experience and my first day there hiking in

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Lucien Clark National Park, I've got on the track, and

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then every night something would show up at our trailer

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and throw rocks at my trailer every night, and then

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there were very strange vocalizations that my colleague said was Bigfoot.

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But still I wasn't convinced, even though I had this

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hunt that Bigfoot could be real, I still wasn't thoroughly

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in my mind believing it. And although I was compelled

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to find out, and so over the course of eight

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or night days we had some sort of interaction every night,

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culminating on the last two days where one vocalized me

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and it had gone through the series of It started

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off by at the end of the night, when the

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sun was going down, my colleague and I we were

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leaning up against the fence looking at this private property

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that was a hunting property, and we were watching the

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elk come out into this meadow for the night. And

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the elk were pretty far away, like I would say,

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from where I was standing three football fields, the elk

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were super tiny when we were looking at them, where

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we could see him across his big meadow and the

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sun was setting and then all of a sudden, out

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of nowhere, there was this loud crack, like lightning, and

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my colleague looked at me. I looked at him, and

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he said, that's probably a bull elk breaking a branch.

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They do that, And I'm like, okay. And also I'll

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let you know too, I'm always kind of a city kid,

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and so I don't really I didn't at that time

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know a lot about you know, like elks, habits or

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even I had to go home after that trip and

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just do all of my studying on vocalizations and understand

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getting a good grasp and like what a deer can

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sound like, what an elk can sound like, what a raccoon,

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a fox, you know, the things that we might hear

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in the forest. So I could vet those things, you know,

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and I learned my vocalizations really well. Right off to

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bad Bigs.

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A society will be right back after these messages.

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But at that time, I was still kind of very

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new too kind of forests. I mean, I've gone hiking before,

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don't get me wrong, but I'd never been in a

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research situation right where I'm looking for something. And so

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there was a loud crack and then so Let's say

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that crack was at eleven o'clock, and then there's a

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loud crack at like nine o'clock, and then there was

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a loud crack at seven o'clock, and then there was

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a loud crack directly behind me at six. And they

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were like many lightning strikes, and they happened successively like crack, crack, crack,

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So they were fast. And my colleagues said, are you

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ready to confront? And I was looking at him, like,

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what do you mean there's a strange noise. What are

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you talking about? And he said, Sonia, nothing moves that

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fast in the forest. We have a sasquatch here. And

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I was like, okay, this is crazy. I don't know

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if I believed this, you know, Like, but the one

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thing I did definitely take in and all of this

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research was I made myself. Remember I bought the ticket,

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take the ride. So if an experienced researcher is telling

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me sasquatches there and asking me if I can confront,

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and he told me to go walk into the tree

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line and say something or do something, I did it.

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You know, there's no other guide to this kind of work.

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And so I walked into the tree line, and I

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started talking, but then it didn't seem like there was

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anything there, and I honestly didn't know what to say,

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you know, because you know, what are you supposed to

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say to a sasquatch in the forest, right, especially when

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you still quite don't believe. And but I said, well,

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I'll just treat it like I would any other animal.

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If there'd been a deer there or an elk there,

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I would talk to it. That's just my nature. I

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love animals. And so I was like, Hi, who's here?

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Like where are you? Because one of the things about

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my whole experience dealing with sasquatches, quite honestly, I never

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got the visual. I never saw them. I never saw

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them physically, I heard them experience them. But you know,

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much to my disappointment, if I've never felt my research

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was over because I actually never did see them, you know,

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and that's kind of a that's kind of a shame

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after all these years. But anyway, there's no energy, no noise.

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So the sun had gone down by this time. My

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colleague was getting nervous because he didn't want to be

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there after dark with them, and say, let's go, let's

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go back to the ATV and go go back to camp,

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and I'm like, okay. So we get back to the

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ATV and was really interesting. I kept looking at the

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ATV and I knew somebody had been there. And I

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even asked my colleague. I said, hey, look at the

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ATV right now? Is something out of place? He's like, no, hes,

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why do you ask? And I graduates to feel like

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somebody's been here, and it's kind of like that feeling

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you get like maybe you leave your house and you

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didn't close your door all the way and when you

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get home, your door's kind of half open, and you're like,

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I always lock my door, and then you kind of

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walk in your house kind of slowly to see what's

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going on and why your door's open, and nobody's there,

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and then you're kind of like, okay, that was strange. Whatever.

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Do you just go about your business. That's kind of

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how I felt about the ATV we walked upon it.

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I felt like somebody had been there. It was a

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very strong sense of that. And then we walk over

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to the ATV and we start to load up to go,

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and there's a much softer crack now across this little

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little like it wasn't even a logging road more like

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a snowmobile road in the winter. This tiny little dirt

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path that we're on now, the tree line is across

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from us, and there's this soft crack, and now I

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am really intrigued, super intrigued, and I'm not really paying

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attention to my colleagues or like safety. Now I'm super curious,

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and I'm like, who's there? Where are you? And then

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I'm like, can you make another noise? And then snap?

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And so I go back and forth for about twenty minutes,

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asking it for a response and actually getting one, And

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then I would get a soft crack or that sound

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people say they make, which I've heard that kind of

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sounds like a pop, you know, And you can make

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that noise by when you put your finger in your

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mouth and you just pull off on your cheek and

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it makes kind of a pop noise, That's what it

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sounds like. And so it was back and forth between

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those sounds, and I was following them, and then I

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realized I was pretty far into the tree line and

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my colleague was still backed by the ATV and a

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little did I know at that time this is all hindsight.

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My colleague at that time was really afraid of them.

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He did the research, but he always had a gun

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with him. He I don't know what the situation was

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with him about them then not liking him. Maybe he

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forced his way into their territories. But he came to

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obvious years later that anytime I had been with him,

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the sub squad were like more like hostile throwing rocks

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and big ones like not like I'm over here kind

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of thing, right, But nevertheless I am I'm following these noises,

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that these sounds into the tree line. And then all

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of a sudden, I realized there's quite a distance between

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me and my colleague. And that was one of the

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first things he said to me was if you have

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to know, sonya that if one gets a hold of you,

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I can't catch it, I can't track it, You'll be gone.

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Do you get that?

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And I'm like, yeah, it's funny, Like you know, I

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did get that. Like that's we're doing research on an

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unknown animal. Anything could go wrong, you know. Plus sometimes

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when people give you warnings like that, you don't heed

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them until you actually experience that phenomena. Right anyway, But

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in that moment when I realized the distance that had

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been made, between me and my colleague. I sat down

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on a log and said, you come here. I'm not

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going any farther I go. You have to come here. Now,

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I've come a long way. You got to meet me

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in the middle. So wherever you come out, I want

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to see you. And I would say things like that,

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like I came all the way here from California just

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to see you and meet you. What are you? Where

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are you? And I could just tell that. The forest

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went silent after that, after I sat down and said

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I wouldn't follow it, the forest just went quiet. And

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so I went over and got back on that day

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TV very excited. My colleague was really freaked out. He

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said he'd never seen anyone like asked for a phenomena

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from them and like interact like that. He'd never seen

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anything like that, so he was thrilled. I was thrilled.

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We come back the next day, which just happened to

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be my last day there, and because early the next

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Saturday morning, I had a flight out, so basically this

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was it. We went and spit the day there. We

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had some of that interaction right off the bat, but

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as soon as I said I'm only going this far,

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the energy just kind of less and so finally I

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just looked at my colleague said, well, if they want

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us to go this way, let's go. Let's just go.

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And so we hiked back in there for a couple

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of hours and nothing really happened. We had a moment

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where we both looked over our shoulder at the same time,

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so something was around us, but something spooped us, but

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that also could have been a wild animal. We just

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both it was very interesting. We're just sitting there and

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we both turned over our right shoulders and looked really hard,

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and we hadn't heard anything. We both just kind of

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felt something. But that was all that happened. And so

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we've got to go break down camps and get me

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ready to have my flight early in the morning, and

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so we leave, and of course on our way out,

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and that's another phenomena that I have experienced, is that

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sasquatch follow you out. They may not show up while

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you're there, but when you leave, they follow you out.

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Reason anyway, I think it may have to do with

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the fact that they really do have a sense of humor,

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and so they kind of know you've been there all day,

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and then when you leave, they show up and it's

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almost like a teasing or taunting, or it could be

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territorial if we go more the scientific part of it.

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It may want it may want to know that you

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are definitively, definitively out of its territory, right, And so

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those are like I'm saying, like the two lines, they

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the two systems, I'm thinking that you kind of have

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to have. You know, there could be this paranormal aspect,

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but there could be this completely natural, natural reasoning for it.

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And so that's another reason why I was always soft

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on talking about the paranormal, because there could be other

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We're dealing with a new species of animal, and so

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lots of things could happen that we're not aware of

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anyway scientifically. And so there we are last day, getting

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on the ATV and it shows up and it made

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a loud crack, and I had just started to grab

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an apple to eat for myself because I was starving,

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and just when that happened, and so I grabbed a

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second apple and went I threw caution to the wind

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because I'm so curious now to what is happening, and

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something definitely is happening. I run back into the forest

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and I pretty far into the tree line, and I asked.

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I said, okay, I have this apple for you. It's

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really good. It's a gift. You can eat it, but

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you have to show me where you want it. You

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have to show me. And all of a sudden, like

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out of the blue, out of a non windy day,

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these three tall pine trees started shaking back and forth,

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almost like hitting each other, like it was no small movement.

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They were a good sized pine trees. And I'm probably

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you know, tenints is a diameter, which is not huge,

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but like I said, not small either to move and

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these three trees just started shaking back and forth, taking

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back and forth, and I'm like, okay, that's where you

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want it. So then I ran over to the trees

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and I climbed up on another tree, and I stuck

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the apple up pretty high so like a deer wouldn't

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be able to necessarily as high as I could get

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it up there so that whatever I was leaving this

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apple for it could get to it. And based on

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the idea that it would be sasquatch. And as soon

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as I took the apple up there and started eating

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mine and explaining that they could eat it again, I

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didn't know any I'm totally naive to the whole research thing, right,

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so I didn't know people had been given them foods

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and apples and all this stuff. I just watched the

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gimless film and then met up with someone to take

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me up in the forest and anyway, all of a sudden,

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on my right side, from this very dense, bushy kind

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of area where I really couldn't see in there, I

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heard a vocalization and it was a long, gravelly growl grumble,

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but not aggressive. It wasn't like a hiss or a

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you know, nothing aggressive. But the crazy and most beautiful

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thing about it was is it was honestly punctuated by

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a question mark at the end. So my breathing and

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my vocal range will not allow me to do exactly

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what I heard, but I'll give you a little short version.

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So basically, all of a sudden, I hear this all

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like the question mark at the end, and I didn't

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know what was happening. I didn't know what was going on,

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and I turned and I looked towards my colleague who

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was at the ATV squatted behind the ATV with a gun,

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And hindsight makes me wonder after all these years, because

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when I really again I was naive when I went in,

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Why hadn't he pulled out a camera instead of pulling

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out his gun. So there's a part of me that

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may suspect that he really just did want to shoot

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one and maybe that's why they didn't like him. So

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because I've never been able to answer that question, like

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in all of that interaction, that was basically his job

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was to protect me, yes, but more importantly to film,

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and he never pulled out a camera. So I'll leave

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that at that. So I turned to him after this

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this vocalization, and I scream at him at the top

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of my lungs, are you effing with me? Are you

454
00:30:13.039 --> 00:30:16.400
effing kidding me? You know? Are you playing me right now?

455
00:30:16.880 --> 00:30:20.559
Like what is going on? And he just raised his

456
00:30:20.640 --> 00:30:23.319
hands up in the air and he said, and with

457
00:30:23.480 --> 00:30:26.559
a gun in one hand, don't kid yourself. And he said,

458
00:30:27.000 --> 00:30:30.359
I'm right here. I'm not doing anything. He says, keep talking,

459
00:30:31.160 --> 00:30:34.599
just keep talking, And so then I talked some more

460
00:30:35.279 --> 00:30:39.200
and then it vocalized again. But the truth was it

461
00:30:39.319 --> 00:30:43.920
was sunset. I had a six am slide out, totally

462
00:30:44.160 --> 00:30:48.440
naive to this whole process, and realized that I had

463
00:30:48.480 --> 00:30:52.680
to go, and so I just said, dude, I'm so sorry,

464
00:30:52.720 --> 00:30:54.880
but I have to leave. I have to leave in

465
00:30:54.920 --> 00:30:58.680
the morning, and I'm so happy that you're here, and

466
00:30:59.119 --> 00:31:01.839
here's an apple for you. I think too. I was

467
00:31:01.880 --> 00:31:04.519
in a little bit of a state of shock because

468
00:31:04.880 --> 00:31:07.079
I didn't know what was going on. So it's hard

469
00:31:07.160 --> 00:31:10.039
for your It was hard for my brain to process

470
00:31:10.759 --> 00:31:15.480
this kind of crazy phenomena that was happening, and so

471
00:31:15.680 --> 00:31:19.839
especially the vocalization, like what was that? You know? And

472
00:31:19.960 --> 00:31:23.000
part of me was so still new at this research.

473
00:31:23.559 --> 00:31:26.319
Like I said, I wasn't a totally a believer when

474
00:31:26.319 --> 00:31:28.839
I went into the forest the first time, and so

475
00:31:30.240 --> 00:31:33.799
I was a little bit discombobulated by it all and

476
00:31:34.680 --> 00:31:39.079
naively left. I should have canceled my flight and stayed forever,

477
00:31:39.839 --> 00:31:44.119
but nevertheless, we drive away, get on the ATV, and

478
00:31:44.200 --> 00:31:47.079
we drive back, begin to drive back to camp. And

479
00:31:47.319 --> 00:31:51.799
this is when I really realized that this was paranormal.

480
00:31:52.440 --> 00:31:56.119
Like there's no doubt that it's biological, but it also

481
00:31:56.640 --> 00:32:01.640
is paranormal. And that's because as we started to maneuver

482
00:32:01.759 --> 00:32:05.240
the ATV back up this hill and we're moving away

483
00:32:05.319 --> 00:32:08.759
from you know where, I just had this experience all

484
00:32:08.759 --> 00:32:12.319
of a sudden, everything bigs.

485
00:32:12.079 --> 00:32:15.000
A society will be right back after these messages.

486
00:32:30.640 --> 00:32:36.559
In my body was devastatingly sad, like it felt like

487
00:32:36.920 --> 00:32:39.920
when you break up with a significant other and you're

488
00:32:40.000 --> 00:32:45.519
the heartbroken one. It was just so hard and so sad,

489
00:32:45.960 --> 00:32:50.039
and I started crying, and it was and I'm observing

490
00:32:50.079 --> 00:32:54.759
myself because this is an out of context emotional response,

491
00:32:55.359 --> 00:32:58.720
and this is part of Sasquat's phenomena. Right here, I

492
00:32:58.799 --> 00:33:04.559
am crying because I'm leaving, and I can't even figure

493
00:33:04.559 --> 00:33:06.839
out why I would be crying over that. And then

494
00:33:06.880 --> 00:33:09.680
I turned my head back and looked where I just

495
00:33:09.839 --> 00:33:14.559
had that interaction, and it was it came to me

496
00:33:14.720 --> 00:33:18.640
very clear. It said, Sonya, this is him you're having

497
00:33:19.680 --> 00:33:23.839
This is him. He's sad that you're leaving. And then

498
00:33:23.920 --> 00:33:28.440
that's like when I said, we drove off, and it

499
00:33:28.559 --> 00:33:32.039
sealed the deal for me that this was twenty percent

500
00:33:32.680 --> 00:33:37.400
biological and eighty percent what the heck is going on

501
00:33:37.559 --> 00:33:44.480
paranormal And so, but I am a science girl. You know,

502
00:33:44.599 --> 00:33:50.119
I have an education, and I like things to be testable, repeatable,

503
00:33:50.799 --> 00:33:55.200
and so in my own research, you know, I wanted

504
00:33:55.279 --> 00:33:58.480
to maintain a certain air of credibility, and I think

505
00:33:58.920 --> 00:34:01.680
a lot of people who deal with the paranormal aspect

506
00:34:01.759 --> 00:34:04.599
of it, that's what they're trying to do, is maintain

507
00:34:04.759 --> 00:34:08.280
credibility in a field where it's really hard to have

508
00:34:08.440 --> 00:34:11.280
credibility just because by the nature of the fact that

509
00:34:11.360 --> 00:34:14.239
you're in that field. And that's I think that's why

510
00:34:14.719 --> 00:34:18.559
you have a lot of big footers who completely yell

511
00:34:18.599 --> 00:34:22.079
at the paranormal people because they want it to be

512
00:34:22.360 --> 00:34:27.400
one hundred percent biological and it's not not the way

513
00:34:28.039 --> 00:34:31.880
we understand biology. That was like my first experience, and

514
00:34:32.440 --> 00:34:36.519
that's when I really knew that something was up. And

515
00:34:36.639 --> 00:34:40.239
then you know, when I got home, I had the

516
00:34:40.320 --> 00:34:44.199
Hitchhiker effect, which I told no one about except for

517
00:34:44.320 --> 00:34:48.400
my close colleagues at all. And what that means is

518
00:34:49.079 --> 00:34:53.280
the Hitchhiker effect is that the font of phenomena follows.

519
00:34:53.320 --> 00:34:56.400
You go home and you start having things happen or

520
00:34:56.480 --> 00:35:00.159
under home, and I did. I would come home and

521
00:35:00.320 --> 00:35:05.840
find tree branches stuck in the earth, you know, at

522
00:35:05.960 --> 00:35:10.199
least six inches deep, with no explanation, all of a sudden,

523
00:35:10.840 --> 00:35:12.519
and I would come home and find sticks like that.

524
00:35:13.199 --> 00:35:16.880
Sometimes they didn't even make sense all you had to

525
00:35:16.920 --> 00:35:19.239
do was touch him and they would like fall over

526
00:35:19.800 --> 00:35:23.559
like they were so they were so like uniquely placed

527
00:35:24.320 --> 00:35:26.440
that they were also placed in a kind of balance.

528
00:35:27.159 --> 00:35:30.000
And I can only say this as a phenomenon because

529
00:35:30.519 --> 00:35:33.719
it never happened before. I lived on that property for

530
00:35:33.920 --> 00:35:38.519
over five years and I never found that until after

531
00:35:39.039 --> 00:35:44.480
I came home from Montana. I was given gifts entrails

532
00:35:44.920 --> 00:35:47.239
and one time a dear and I will say a

533
00:35:47.320 --> 00:35:52.079
deer because I was flying out early in the morning

534
00:35:53.360 --> 00:35:58.920
and the night before I had heard this crazy scream

535
00:35:58.960 --> 00:36:02.679
in my backyard and it did not sound like a deer,

536
00:36:03.079 --> 00:36:05.440
although it could have been the deer based on what

537
00:36:05.519 --> 00:36:08.880
I discovered then in the morning. And I didn't go

538
00:36:08.880 --> 00:36:11.039
out at night to check out what that was because

539
00:36:11.079 --> 00:36:14.679
we also had cougars in my area and I'd seen

540
00:36:14.760 --> 00:36:18.840
them on my property before. So yeah, Anyway, I woke

541
00:36:18.920 --> 00:36:21.360
up in the morning, hit in my car and I

542
00:36:21.400 --> 00:36:26.079
see behind my house, I see vulture circling and I'm like,

543
00:36:27.400 --> 00:36:30.840
that's really strange, and so I went out into my

544
00:36:30.920 --> 00:36:33.760
backyard to see what it was, and there was a

545
00:36:33.880 --> 00:36:37.280
deer there. But the crazy thing was about.

546
00:36:37.000 --> 00:36:44.320
It is that there was a perfect circle.

547
00:36:47.039 --> 00:36:52.280
Cut out of its abdomen area. It was a perfect

548
00:36:52.840 --> 00:36:58.400
circle and there was like nothing in there. So it

549
00:36:58.519 --> 00:37:01.920
was so hard to explain. It was just like blood

550
00:37:04.159 --> 00:37:07.119
and so. But the thing was is the cut on

551
00:37:07.280 --> 00:37:10.039
it was a perfect circle. Now, if there's a hunter

552
00:37:10.480 --> 00:37:13.199
out there right now, it's going to say, oh, I've

553
00:37:13.239 --> 00:37:17.079
seen perfect circles cut into carcasses, then maybe it was

554
00:37:17.159 --> 00:37:21.039
the cougar. But from all I know is the cougar leaves,

555
00:37:21.360 --> 00:37:25.039
which had happened before, is cougar leaves heads they leave ahead.

556
00:37:25.679 --> 00:37:28.599
You come out on your property and there's a deer head.

557
00:37:29.039 --> 00:37:32.800
That's what you find when a cougar's been there. So I,

558
00:37:33.039 --> 00:37:37.639
like I said, if I'm mistaken in that, then I am.

559
00:37:38.360 --> 00:37:41.559
But I've not talked to anybody who could explain the

560
00:37:41.599 --> 00:37:44.760
perfect circle. And the vultures hadn't landed yet. It was

561
00:37:44.960 --> 00:37:49.679
so bizarre. It was the weirdest thing. And I know

562
00:37:50.320 --> 00:37:56.159
Randy Brisson has also been left gift of deer and elk.

563
00:37:56.920 --> 00:38:01.199
One time he got out of his tent and there

564
00:38:01.239 --> 00:38:07.840
were elp legs hung in branches around his tent. And

565
00:38:07.960 --> 00:38:12.440
so they do bring gifts like cats. Sometimes those gifts

566
00:38:12.960 --> 00:38:18.679
may not be so palatable for us, but nevertheless they

567
00:38:18.800 --> 00:38:22.920
do it. Then. Also, that's the place where I received

568
00:38:22.960 --> 00:38:25.639
my heart rock, one of the most beautiful things. And

569
00:38:26.159 --> 00:38:28.400
if you watch the Flash of Beauty, you can see

570
00:38:28.400 --> 00:38:31.800
those rocks. You can see you'll be able to physically

571
00:38:31.840 --> 00:38:35.159
see what I'm talking about. But I had taken my

572
00:38:35.280 --> 00:38:41.280
property backed up to two hundred acre like non develop

573
00:38:41.360 --> 00:38:43.840
a land. It was owned by the federal government. It

574
00:38:43.920 --> 00:38:47.239
wasn't a park, but there had been in that marsh

575
00:38:47.320 --> 00:38:50.840
back there. There is a lily that only grows in

576
00:38:50.960 --> 00:38:53.719
that marsh, one place in the whole planet. And so

577
00:38:54.480 --> 00:38:57.480
they the government came in and took two hundred acres

578
00:38:57.519 --> 00:39:01.639
and made it a non divil So I had this

579
00:39:01.760 --> 00:39:05.719
amazing wildlife corridor that ran through my property, and I

580
00:39:05.800 --> 00:39:09.239
love that. But the truth is, there were never any

581
00:39:09.320 --> 00:39:12.480
people back there. As long as I lived there. I was,

582
00:39:12.519 --> 00:39:14.800
like I said, there for five years, and I was

583
00:39:14.880 --> 00:39:18.039
out there every day because I do photography, and so

584
00:39:18.599 --> 00:39:21.559
I was out there all the time. And then I

585
00:39:22.199 --> 00:39:25.119
did nature photography for quite some time, and so I

586
00:39:25.239 --> 00:39:28.719
was always out there. I never saw another human walking

587
00:39:28.840 --> 00:39:32.760
back there, ever, So one day I decided to leave

588
00:39:33.360 --> 00:39:38.000
a crystal in an oak tree back there, hidden and

589
00:39:39.239 --> 00:39:41.320
just to see what would happen because I was now

590
00:39:41.360 --> 00:39:44.119
I was starting to acknowledge that I had a hitch hiker.

591
00:39:44.840 --> 00:39:47.360
And because there's part of me not even acknowledging it,

592
00:39:47.880 --> 00:39:51.039
so many things happened, like my wood pile would be

593
00:39:51.119 --> 00:39:53.400
messed with. I would come out, I have and I

594
00:39:53.480 --> 00:39:56.960
have pictures of these where my chopping block, which was

595
00:39:57.400 --> 00:40:02.599
this massive redwood round literally I couldn't really lift it myself,

596
00:40:03.360 --> 00:40:06.239
not because it was so heavy, more that it was

597
00:40:06.639 --> 00:40:10.719
so heavy and so awkward. I couldn't lift it alone.

598
00:40:10.800 --> 00:40:13.480
There's no way. And I came out one morning and

599
00:40:13.639 --> 00:40:16.280
to get some wood, and the wood block is on

600
00:40:16.440 --> 00:40:21.760
top of the wood pile, and I'm just like, really like,

601
00:40:21.880 --> 00:40:23.000
how who did that?

602
00:40:24.320 --> 00:40:24.559
Are I?

603
00:40:25.280 --> 00:40:27.960
You know, are my neighbors that are about a mile

604
00:40:28.000 --> 00:40:30.559
away sneaking over here at night messing with me because

605
00:40:30.599 --> 00:40:32.960
they know I do bigfoot? Like how does that happen?

606
00:40:33.400 --> 00:40:36.440
So things like that happened all the time, and again

607
00:40:37.079 --> 00:40:40.880
I would just say okay, all right, that happened, and then,

608
00:40:41.519 --> 00:40:44.840
like I said, part of me just wouldn't just like okay.

609
00:40:45.840 --> 00:40:49.800
I would be a bit dismissive. And so finally I

610
00:40:49.920 --> 00:40:56.199
decided to play and I left a tiger I heart

611
00:40:56.280 --> 00:41:01.079
shaped crystal in an oak tree and that area out there,

612
00:41:02.239 --> 00:41:06.880
and I had to come back. I left it out

613
00:41:06.920 --> 00:41:10.960
there for six weeks and nothing had happened, and it

614
00:41:11.079 --> 00:41:14.039
had moved sometimes like I knew it was facing this

615
00:41:14.199 --> 00:41:20.039
way or it had moved. But again, you know, a squirrel,

616
00:41:20.320 --> 00:41:23.679
a raven could do that easily. But it never fell

617
00:41:23.719 --> 00:41:26.800
off the tree. It'd be it won't be moved, but

618
00:41:27.039 --> 00:41:31.320
not off the tree had a special little like crevice

619
00:41:31.800 --> 00:41:35.920
that I put it in. Anyway, after six weeks, I

620
00:41:36.039 --> 00:41:39.679
decided that nothing was happening, so I should just bring

621
00:41:39.760 --> 00:41:43.000
the heart back, like okay, all right, nothing's going on.

622
00:41:43.079 --> 00:41:46.559
I here bring that heart back. And so the next

623
00:41:46.639 --> 00:41:51.119
morning I woke up and on my doorstep. On my

624
00:41:51.199 --> 00:41:56.800
doorstep was a natural rock that was a heart shape

625
00:41:57.559 --> 00:42:05.000
that was literally almost the same identical size as my

626
00:42:05.079 --> 00:42:09.559
crystal shape and everything. Matter of fact, the crystal, there's

627
00:42:09.599 --> 00:42:12.480
a part of the crystal that had this vein that

628
00:42:13.440 --> 00:42:15.679
didn't polish smooth because it was a little too deep.

629
00:42:16.320 --> 00:42:22.360
And this rock, this natural naturally formed rock, hearts had

630
00:42:22.400 --> 00:42:30.199
the same crevasse they were. It was out. It was unbelievable,

631
00:42:31.320 --> 00:42:33.639
you know. And again I have talked a little bit

632
00:42:33.639 --> 00:42:37.360
about this, you know, about the paranormal side, because it

633
00:42:37.480 --> 00:42:42.679
also was so beautiful, like I love those hearts, They're amazing,

634
00:42:43.639 --> 00:42:46.480
Like how does that happen? And you know, and again,

635
00:42:46.960 --> 00:42:51.519
I never saw sas that. I never saw sasquatch. Everything

636
00:42:52.159 --> 00:42:56.280
I am talking about is the phenomena of sasquatch. So

637
00:42:59.400 --> 00:43:04.159
there's a part of me wonders, you know, like what

638
00:43:04.400 --> 00:43:08.599
paranormal thing it really is? How did something follow me

639
00:43:08.679 --> 00:43:10.400
home and play with me like that?

640
00:43:12.840 --> 00:43:17.480
Exactly, Sonia. I've got more than a few questions of

641
00:43:17.760 --> 00:43:22.280
this whole account is absolutely incredible. At any point when

642
00:43:22.320 --> 00:43:25.440
you got back home, did you start having very vivid

643
00:43:25.559 --> 00:43:30.159
dreams or start hearing voices or anything like that.

644
00:43:32.280 --> 00:43:39.840
Well, that's very interesting because that would only happen when

645
00:43:40.719 --> 00:43:43.880
I was around Mike Patterson. And I worked with Mike

646
00:43:43.920 --> 00:43:47.239
Patterson out of Toronto, and I do know that there's

647
00:43:47.280 --> 00:43:49.920
a large part of the community that doesn't believe him,

648
00:43:50.400 --> 00:43:54.199
and you know, that's really sad. But what I can

649
00:43:54.360 --> 00:43:58.760
tell you is his area is the most paranormal I've

650
00:43:58.840 --> 00:44:06.039
ever been in, hands down, the most paranormal. And Mike

651
00:44:06.079 --> 00:44:09.159
and I worked together for a while and he came

652
00:44:09.199 --> 00:44:13.119
out to California, and when I was around him, I

653
00:44:13.159 --> 00:44:16.440
would get visuals like there was one like a white

654
00:44:16.519 --> 00:44:18.960
a white sasquatch. I would see it just pop into

655
00:44:19.000 --> 00:44:24.320
my mind, you know. And it happened several times while

656
00:44:24.360 --> 00:44:28.360
we were working together out in California. And then the first,

657
00:44:29.400 --> 00:44:32.400
the first craziest thing that happened is when I went

658
00:44:32.440 --> 00:44:35.760
out the first time to his territory and I walked

659
00:44:35.800 --> 00:44:40.639
into this cabin. We opened the door, and he walked ahead,

660
00:44:41.079 --> 00:44:43.000
you know, and he picked his room and took his

661
00:44:43.039 --> 00:44:45.199
stuff into where he was going to stay. And then

662
00:44:45.239 --> 00:44:48.639
I walked in and started putting the stuff in my room,

663
00:44:49.360 --> 00:44:53.920
and I hear this. I hear I heard that call

664
00:44:54.159 --> 00:44:58.679
that might call that he says where Nepatia says Mike like,

665
00:44:58.880 --> 00:45:01.559
I heard it play his day. And so I walked

666
00:45:01.599 --> 00:45:03.679
back over in his room and I'm like, what are

667
00:45:03.760 --> 00:45:06.800
you doing? And he's like, I'm just unpacking, you know,

668
00:45:06.840 --> 00:45:09.960
getting my stuff out. I go, did you play NeXT's voice?

669
00:45:10.760 --> 00:45:14.159
And he's like, no, what are you talking about? You know?

670
00:45:14.320 --> 00:45:16.559
I go, did you play a recording? He's like no,

671
00:45:17.280 --> 00:45:19.800
you know, he's totally oblivious to what happened. And I

672
00:45:19.920 --> 00:45:22.480
clearly heard that. So yeah, I did have mine speak,

673
00:45:23.199 --> 00:45:26.519
but mine speak for me was heightened when I was

674
00:45:26.559 --> 00:45:31.039
around Mike Patterson and Randy Berson. Randy Person's territory is

675
00:45:31.119 --> 00:45:36.519
pretty amazing and well well habituated. You know. Mike Patterson's

676
00:45:36.559 --> 00:45:39.800
been going to his territory for years now, I don't know,

677
00:45:39.920 --> 00:45:43.920
like twelve years or something, I ten years, you know.

678
00:45:44.039 --> 00:45:48.599
And Randy Berson he was raised in those woods, you know.

679
00:45:49.039 --> 00:45:54.320
He he's in British Columbia and his territory. You know,

680
00:45:54.719 --> 00:45:58.199
from the age of zero to sixteen, he ran that

681
00:45:58.360 --> 00:46:02.800
territory barefoot. He didn't even wear shoes back there. He

682
00:46:03.039 --> 00:46:05.719
was definitely part of that territory.

683
00:46:06.639 --> 00:46:09.840
Thinks a society will be right back after these messages.

684
00:46:25.519 --> 00:46:29.119
And he's had, you know, that's why he has so

685
00:46:29.320 --> 00:46:32.679
much kind of evidence like he has. You can go

686
00:46:32.760 --> 00:46:37.079
on YouTube. I've never seen a red bear that looks

687
00:46:37.119 --> 00:46:41.719
like an orangutang in in you know, in British Columbia.

688
00:46:41.800 --> 00:46:44.840
But you know, if you want to call it an orangutang, okay.

689
00:46:45.800 --> 00:46:49.760
But he clearly got a really great shot of something

690
00:46:50.239 --> 00:46:54.320
walking away from a tree, actually just starting to stand

691
00:46:54.440 --> 00:46:59.920
up and move away from the tree. And it's autumn orange,

692
00:47:02.199 --> 00:47:07.199
like autumn red. It's orange. It's not like, I don't

693
00:47:07.239 --> 00:47:10.199
think that's a bear. I've never seen an orange bear.

694
00:47:11.320 --> 00:47:14.599
So and it doesn't the shape of it actually still

695
00:47:14.719 --> 00:47:20.599
doesn't really look like a bear. So those two people,

696
00:47:21.000 --> 00:47:24.719
when I would work with them, the phenomena would just

697
00:47:24.880 --> 00:47:30.719
be off the chart. I had in Randy's territory, like

698
00:47:30.880 --> 00:47:33.639
right in a row. And I don't know what this means,

699
00:47:33.719 --> 00:47:35.760
like maybe they didn't want me back there there, they

700
00:47:35.840 --> 00:47:38.880
didn't like me or Randy that day, But you know,

701
00:47:39.320 --> 00:47:42.320
I saw two trees go down and one day, within

702
00:47:42.400 --> 00:47:45.840
twenty minutes of each other, and about you know, a

703
00:47:45.920 --> 00:47:50.000
block apart kind of, and they were big, massive trees.

704
00:47:51.079 --> 00:47:53.199
I don't know how many people have seen a tree

705
00:47:53.239 --> 00:47:55.480
go down in the forest, not saying it doesn't happen,

706
00:47:56.559 --> 00:48:00.440
but like we're walking down the trail and I said,

707
00:48:00.480 --> 00:48:03.119
they follow you out. We were leaving, and then the

708
00:48:03.199 --> 00:48:06.480
tree went down. It was a massive tree, bright behind us.

709
00:48:07.039 --> 00:48:09.800
And then we walked a little bit farther like two

710
00:48:09.880 --> 00:48:12.480
minutes or whatever, a minute or so, and another one

711
00:48:13.719 --> 00:48:18.679
went down and not you know, anywhere near us to

712
00:48:18.760 --> 00:48:21.960
hurt us or any way that it would have got us.

713
00:48:22.480 --> 00:48:26.480
But what was that? How often the two trees go

714
00:48:26.599 --> 00:48:30.559
down in the forest way and you witness it are

715
00:48:30.679 --> 00:48:37.480
Randy's Randy's territory is is amazing. There are so many things,

716
00:48:38.440 --> 00:48:43.639
and so the kind of impath the mind speak would

717
00:48:43.639 --> 00:48:48.719
definitely happen more be it would definitely be more prevalent

718
00:48:49.119 --> 00:48:53.199
around Randy and might out of my own. I didn't

719
00:48:53.239 --> 00:48:56.159
really get the mind speak. I know, the one, like

720
00:48:56.239 --> 00:48:58.920
I said, the first one shared its emotions with me,

721
00:48:59.840 --> 00:49:03.480
But I didn't have like any sort of like dialogue,

722
00:49:04.840 --> 00:49:09.880
you know. But like I said, that first day, walking

723
00:49:09.960 --> 00:49:14.719
into the cabin, and I hear Mike, and I'm thinking,

724
00:49:15.480 --> 00:49:17.960
and I'm not even thinking, you know that Mike's messing

725
00:49:18.039 --> 00:49:20.280
with me more than I'm thinking. Maybe he was on

726
00:49:20.360 --> 00:49:23.400
his computer going through some of his stuff. Mike is

727
00:49:23.440 --> 00:49:27.559
super dedicated to the research. He's He's about ninety more

728
00:49:27.679 --> 00:49:33.320
percent obsessed than I am, and so he takes this

729
00:49:33.519 --> 00:49:37.800
research very seriously and it's a massive part of his life.

730
00:49:37.920 --> 00:49:41.880
With that said, you know, I know people have a

731
00:49:41.920 --> 00:49:45.440
hard time with his stuff, but that is just what

732
00:49:45.559 --> 00:49:49.400
it is. I'm just saying from my personal experience, the

733
00:49:49.519 --> 00:49:53.840
place is most paranormal i've ever been in. And another

734
00:49:53.920 --> 00:49:57.159
reason why this one colleague of mine I said that

735
00:49:57.280 --> 00:49:59.599
I worked with in the past and said, I said

736
00:49:59.599 --> 00:50:02.000
that if they I didn't like him. I've heard people

737
00:50:02.119 --> 00:50:06.400
say that they can give you headaches, they can give

738
00:50:06.400 --> 00:50:11.199
you like a pain, like brain freeze. And when I

739
00:50:11.440 --> 00:50:15.960
was with Randy and this colleague, we were walking through

740
00:50:16.639 --> 00:50:20.199
the forest and we're on this trail. All of a sudden,

741
00:50:20.760 --> 00:50:23.480
I started to feel a migraine come on. And I

742
00:50:23.639 --> 00:50:27.760
was like, oh, no, I'm going camping for three days

743
00:50:28.239 --> 00:50:30.599
and I'm going to get a migraine. And I'm like no.

744
00:50:32.079 --> 00:50:35.679
And then just as I was saying no, both this

745
00:50:35.840 --> 00:50:41.079
colleague and Randy fell to the ground like this the

746
00:50:41.159 --> 00:50:47.039
same time, with their heads hurting. They're like, oh, so

747
00:50:48.000 --> 00:50:51.880
that happened. There's some sort of connection with sasquats with

748
00:50:52.119 --> 00:50:56.039
Y six, like the letter why that perfectly are shaped

749
00:50:56.079 --> 00:51:01.079
like a Y for the most part, and all of

750
00:51:01.159 --> 00:51:06.920
their barks is peeled. And sometimes you'll find them in

751
00:51:06.960 --> 00:51:14.159
the forest, like the Blair Witch project. Something's made art

752
00:51:14.280 --> 00:51:18.840
of them, you know, And it's a very strange kind

753
00:51:18.920 --> 00:51:22.360
of thing to see in the forest. But I do

754
00:51:22.480 --> 00:51:27.199
think I was never creeped out by them, but I

755
00:51:27.280 --> 00:51:32.320
thought they were something they do like building as the structures, right,

756
00:51:32.400 --> 00:51:34.840
but this is more like an art form. Oh here's

757
00:51:35.400 --> 00:51:42.440
really quick, a beautiful physical story, so amazing. I was

758
00:51:42.519 --> 00:51:46.440
up in Nordic Canada, get on an ATV, just flying

759
00:51:46.599 --> 00:51:51.920
down this road and I saw a tree break and

760
00:51:52.039 --> 00:51:57.719
it was massive. It was at least nineteen feet tall,

761
00:51:57.800 --> 00:51:59.119
and it was a one twist break.

762
00:52:00.000 --> 00:52:02.119
It's like they say, at the.

763
00:52:02.760 --> 00:52:08.079
The end of the tree was still alive. And I think,

764
00:52:08.159 --> 00:52:11.639
my colleagues stop. He didn't stop, and it's so funny.

765
00:52:12.079 --> 00:52:14.480
I was like, no, we have to, Well, you've got

766
00:52:14.519 --> 00:52:16.360
to stop and look at this thing. He goes, I

767
00:52:16.559 --> 00:52:18.760
want to know about that. He goes, I don't want

768
00:52:18.760 --> 00:52:22.079
to know about it. And then I walked into the

769
00:52:22.159 --> 00:52:25.280
tree line. I said, well, i'll be back, and I

770
00:52:25.360 --> 00:52:32.800
walked into the tree line and there was the space.

771
00:52:35.039 --> 00:52:39.519
And it was about the size of.

772
00:52:42.480 --> 00:52:48.679
I'll say that's twenty by twenty area where they were

773
00:52:48.760 --> 00:52:55.880
all these tiny structure like that. One of them was

774
00:52:55.960 --> 00:53:02.800
over three feet and they're about thirty of them. It

775
00:53:02.960 --> 00:53:05.960
was so beautiful. I don't know what that was about.

776
00:53:06.320 --> 00:53:08.960
How far away from civilization were you at that point?

777
00:53:10.159 --> 00:53:16.519
I get this eight miles from a cell signal. WHOA Yeah, yeah,

778
00:53:18.679 --> 00:53:19.079
this is with.

779
00:53:19.159 --> 00:53:22.599
An individual that we're leaving unnamed. Correct. Throughout your years

780
00:53:22.639 --> 00:53:27.119
of research, has there been anything that you learned that

781
00:53:27.400 --> 00:53:33.079
you felt scared to share because it would change the

782
00:53:33.199 --> 00:53:35.159
community or world too much?

783
00:53:38.000 --> 00:53:43.840
No? Okay, Actually, I think in all life, and for

784
00:53:43.960 --> 00:53:47.800
me especially, you know, I have to bottom out of

785
00:53:47.840 --> 00:53:51.079
the truth, you know, and the truth.

786
00:53:51.920 --> 00:53:53.199
I believe that the truth is more.

787
00:53:53.119 --> 00:53:57.000
Important than anything. And you know, we live in a

788
00:53:57.079 --> 00:54:01.280
time where people don't no longer even think that the

789
00:54:01.320 --> 00:54:04.960
truth is important or that the truth is esoteric. It's

790
00:54:05.000 --> 00:54:11.280
not a real thing, which is frightening to me. You know,

791
00:54:11.840 --> 00:54:17.000
red is read. That is a truth, you know. And

792
00:54:17.159 --> 00:54:21.880
so this idea that I mean, I know for a

793
00:54:22.000 --> 00:54:24.480
fact we'll get into the kind of the you know,

794
00:54:24.599 --> 00:54:28.239
this other conspiracy. The part of the Bigfoot world is

795
00:54:28.280 --> 00:54:31.400
that you know, the government's keeping us from this knowledge.

796
00:54:32.119 --> 00:54:37.519
And I believe that one hundred percent, as do I.

797
00:54:38.039 --> 00:54:41.440
Yeah, definitely, there's too.

798
00:54:41.159 --> 00:54:46.360
Many stories of where, you know, of where, especially like

799
00:54:46.639 --> 00:54:48.599
the one first one that comes to mind is, of course,

800
00:54:49.000 --> 00:54:55.960
you know Mount Saint Helen's. I believe that story. There

801
00:54:56.000 --> 00:54:58.679
are too many witnesses there's like five witnesses that I'll

802
00:54:58.719 --> 00:55:02.800
coroborate that the government showed up and helped a family

803
00:55:02.840 --> 00:55:05.039
of staff Watch regain their health.

804
00:55:05.159 --> 00:55:08.280
Did you talk to people directly witnesses or these are

805
00:55:08.360 --> 00:55:11.679
things that you've read places or heard, like seen it.

806
00:55:12.119 --> 00:55:17.599
A documentary like thing about Mail Ornier. No, I never

807
00:55:17.679 --> 00:55:20.400
talked to them firsthand. But that's just the story that

808
00:55:20.519 --> 00:55:24.079
I believe. I don't know why. When you hear what

809
00:55:24.280 --> 00:55:30.000
the gentlemen say about it, it's pretty it's pretty amazing.

810
00:55:30.880 --> 00:55:36.199
And just wait, Brett and Jill and Chob the Mike

811
00:55:36.239 --> 00:55:41.159
are doing another film and it's on Ron Sierra Sounds,

812
00:55:41.920 --> 00:55:47.159
and the story is gonna the story is huge, Like

813
00:55:47.280 --> 00:55:51.440
what Ron has shared is such a small part of

814
00:55:51.639 --> 00:55:54.519
all that went on. And probably just because you know,

815
00:55:54.679 --> 00:55:56.760
I don't think he was hiding anything more or being

816
00:55:56.760 --> 00:55:59.719
elusive more than the most important thing was you know,

817
00:56:00.480 --> 00:56:04.119
working to get someone to buy you know, scientifically, the

818
00:56:04.199 --> 00:56:09.159
credibility of the Sierra Sounds, of that reposed recordings, which

819
00:56:09.960 --> 00:56:12.719
you know, their recording that's been on eight track tapes.

820
00:56:13.360 --> 00:56:16.159
You know, it wasn't like the technology.

821
00:56:15.800 --> 00:56:19.880
Today, Oh exactly, yeah, yeah, it's it was a whole

822
00:56:20.159 --> 00:56:23.599
whole different ball game. So far, we've talked about Montana,

823
00:56:24.119 --> 00:56:27.239
British Columbia, and you said Alberta as well.

824
00:56:27.400 --> 00:56:31.440
Right, Patterson is in out of the Toronto area.

825
00:56:31.960 --> 00:56:35.800
Okay, gotcha, gotcha. Did you do any expeditions or research

826
00:56:36.000 --> 00:56:38.440
in Oregon or Washington State?

827
00:56:39.199 --> 00:56:42.719
You know, I was invited once at the album Moon Lab.

828
00:56:43.159 --> 00:56:48.960
But and we had we had some things happened. Well, yeah,

829
00:56:49.440 --> 00:56:52.840
the black cats showed up. Third part of that heart

830
00:56:52.960 --> 00:56:58.800
story happened. It's very unusual. My neighbor came over. I

831
00:56:59.000 --> 00:57:03.599
had just I have to back up. Okay, So unfortunately

832
00:57:04.239 --> 00:57:08.679
I lost two precious little beings in my life. I

833
00:57:08.800 --> 00:57:14.880
lost cats. And they were brother and sister, and they

834
00:57:14.920 --> 00:57:19.920
were just they had so much personality, like they were

835
00:57:20.519 --> 00:57:25.920
Instagram famous worthy, especially the little boy because he was

836
00:57:25.960 --> 00:57:29.239
a munchkin cat. But I let him be indoor, outdoor,

837
00:57:29.800 --> 00:57:32.559
and so you know, he thought he was an eight

838
00:57:32.639 --> 00:57:36.199
foot tall tom cat when he just had you know,

839
00:57:36.320 --> 00:57:39.880
these lakes that were he was adorable, like a Welsh

840
00:57:39.960 --> 00:57:46.719
Corgie cat. Just imagine that. And anyway, by sieves, And

841
00:57:47.719 --> 00:57:51.679
what I never had imagined ever, is that an animal

842
00:57:52.119 --> 00:57:56.400
would simply die of a broken heart. So when you

843
00:57:56.519 --> 00:58:01.480
have cats, you know everything cats are like chickens. Everything

844
00:58:01.519 --> 00:58:07.000
wants to kill your cap me. So like everything wants

845
00:58:07.000 --> 00:58:09.239
to eat chicken either, like there's not an animal they

846
00:58:09.239 --> 00:58:12.320
won't eat a chicken, And there's lots of predators for

847
00:58:12.480 --> 00:58:17.000
cats indoor outdoor. You just know that one day you're

848
00:58:17.039 --> 00:58:21.440
gonna come home. Either coyote, a hawk, the bob cats,

849
00:58:21.880 --> 00:58:25.400
or your neighbor's dog is gonna get your cat. So

850
00:58:25.639 --> 00:58:30.159
when the neighbors dog took Shiva, I was devastated, but

851
00:58:31.079 --> 00:58:35.519
I surrendered a long time ago to the possibility of

852
00:58:35.639 --> 00:58:42.039
that being a reality. But Collie, after he passed away,

853
00:58:42.559 --> 00:58:47.360
his sister just crawled up on my bed and never

854
00:58:47.480 --> 00:58:50.840
really left, didn't want to go outside. She'd still eat,

855
00:58:51.280 --> 00:58:55.679
she'd still get cuddles, but she virtually never left my bed.

856
00:58:56.559 --> 00:59:03.239
And then she died. She died. She was so sad.

857
00:59:04.400 --> 00:59:11.400
So looting them was really difficult. They had brought me

858
00:59:11.480 --> 00:59:16.639
a joy in their personalities, and then the way they

859
00:59:16.679 --> 00:59:21.519
went out was very bittersweet because they just didn't let

860
00:59:21.599 --> 00:59:25.639
me know how close that those two really were. Anyway,

861
00:59:26.239 --> 00:59:29.519
sorry about my cats, but it leaps into the story

862
00:59:30.400 --> 00:59:34.039
where my neighbor like four years later or no, four

863
00:59:34.119 --> 00:59:38.400
years later. Two years later, two years later, I'm going

864
00:59:38.480 --> 00:59:42.039
down and I live in a small apartment complex and

865
00:59:42.320 --> 00:59:45.639
I'm going down to go do something. And my neighbor

866
00:59:46.599 --> 00:59:47.840
walked up to me. She was Fannia.

867
00:59:48.280 --> 00:59:49.760
She says, I had the weirdest thing happened.

868
00:59:50.159 --> 00:59:54.159
And I'm like, what happened? And she said, well, she said,

869
00:59:54.639 --> 00:59:57.000
I just got back from the grocery store and when

870
00:59:58.079 --> 01:00:00.880
I got out of my car, there was nothing by

871
01:00:01.000 --> 01:00:04.000
my door. And when I came back, this is by

872
01:00:04.119 --> 01:00:06.920
my door. And she said something said to me that

873
01:00:07.039 --> 01:00:11.960
it belongs to you. Well, she handed me this heart,

874
01:00:13.280 --> 01:00:17.719
and it was a heart made from like pottery.

875
01:00:18.480 --> 01:00:21.239
Big for society will be right back after these messages.

876
01:00:37.360 --> 01:00:41.119
It was human me. But when I and it was

877
01:00:41.199 --> 01:00:44.280
really beautiful. But when I flipped it over, it had

878
01:00:44.800 --> 01:00:48.960
a white cat looking up towards the heavens that looked

879
01:00:48.960 --> 01:00:51.760
like my little Feva. He was a white and gray cat,

880
01:00:51.920 --> 01:00:54.719
and this his cat's kind of whitish and gray. And

881
01:00:54.800 --> 01:00:59.280
I'm like, whoa, And then the whole kind of like

882
01:00:59.360 --> 01:01:01.440
I knew this was for you. I didn't know my

883
01:01:01.559 --> 01:01:05.199
neighbor that well. I would say high in passing, you know,

884
01:01:06.079 --> 01:01:09.519
but I'd never like been for a house and even

885
01:01:09.559 --> 01:01:13.320
had tea you know so or something like that. So

886
01:01:14.039 --> 01:01:15.960
for her to say this is for you and to

887
01:01:16.079 --> 01:01:19.039
give it to me, and then to go upstairs and

888
01:01:19.159 --> 01:01:22.199
look at my rocks, my heart rocks that I already got,

889
01:01:22.639 --> 01:01:27.280
and that that heart was also the exact same size,

890
01:01:29.719 --> 01:01:35.000
And so I really believe that was a gift from

891
01:01:36.119 --> 01:01:42.599
self squats, from spirits their energy, just knowing that there

892
01:01:42.800 --> 01:01:46.599
there was a deep hurt there. So then when it

893
01:01:46.719 --> 01:01:49.800
was literally filming, and this all has to do with Orgon,

894
01:01:50.199 --> 01:01:52.679
I know it's going a long ways to get to Oregon,

895
01:01:52.719 --> 01:01:56.639
but anyway, I was invited down to the Owl Moon

896
01:01:56.760 --> 01:02:00.920
Lab with Toe wh who's foo the al Moon Lab

897
01:02:01.320 --> 01:02:07.199
also with Paranormal definitely had some energy there and we've

898
01:02:07.199 --> 01:02:13.679
experienced it because as we're filming well before that, the

899
01:02:13.760 --> 01:02:17.000
day before, we were hiking through the forest and my

900
01:02:17.119 --> 01:02:19.599
friend and I saw a black cat that looked just

901
01:02:19.719 --> 01:02:24.760
like my colleague And it was so interesting because it's

902
01:02:24.800 --> 01:02:27.679
not very often you're out in the forest in Oregon

903
01:02:28.239 --> 01:02:31.519
and you see a cat just trumpling through the forest.

904
01:02:32.039 --> 01:02:36.239
That's never been my experience in hiking. You see a cat,

905
01:02:36.639 --> 01:02:40.719
a domestic cat just running, but Nevertheless, my best friend

906
01:02:40.719 --> 01:02:42.920
and I both thought this black cat and thought that

907
01:02:43.039 --> 01:02:46.280
was really interesting. And then the next day Brett and

908
01:02:46.400 --> 01:02:49.920
Bill were filling me and Mike, and as we were

909
01:02:50.039 --> 01:02:54.400
talking right in front of us, between the camera and myself,

910
01:02:55.199 --> 01:02:59.400
Brett notices this round like coin that has a smiling

911
01:02:59.760 --> 01:03:04.079
black cat on it. It's like a wood coin with

912
01:03:04.199 --> 01:03:08.440
a smiling black cat. And we all just looked at

913
01:03:08.480 --> 01:03:14.000
that because they know the story about my cats. They

914
01:03:14.039 --> 01:03:15.440
knew the story and.

915
01:03:17.280 --> 01:03:18.760
If they'd never seen that there.

916
01:03:18.679 --> 01:03:21.800
Before, and Toby had never seen that before, I was

917
01:03:21.840 --> 01:03:23.880
sitting there right there in the driveway. The truth is

918
01:03:23.960 --> 01:03:29.679
for me about Bigfoot is ninety of It has been

919
01:03:29.800 --> 01:03:39.960
in a way absolutely terrifying, but the experience always was

920
01:03:40.239 --> 01:03:45.440
actually really glorious. It's just so big, you know, like

921
01:03:45.960 --> 01:03:50.880
whatever Bigfoot is, whatever Sasquat is, it's so big. And

922
01:03:51.000 --> 01:03:57.920
I don't mean physically, you know that it's it makes

923
01:03:57.960 --> 01:04:02.599
an impression, you know. I've never experienced something that big,

924
01:04:04.320 --> 01:04:07.639
like not even an elephant, something so big that you know,

925
01:04:08.760 --> 01:04:13.800
and so smart and wise, because it like leaves things

926
01:04:13.880 --> 01:04:17.519
for you at places like I do believe that that

927
01:04:17.719 --> 01:04:22.000
heart I spoke of earlier with the white cat was

928
01:04:22.119 --> 01:04:25.280
left for me by big fence. That kind of knowing

929
01:04:26.360 --> 01:04:30.440
and understanding. And then if you've experienced a little bit

930
01:04:30.519 --> 01:04:34.199
of mind to speak, and then when I talk about

931
01:04:34.199 --> 01:04:37.760
the bless charge, you know, I experience how fast they are,

932
01:04:38.840 --> 01:04:46.440
Like I'm a little bit, you know, honestly traumatized by that,

933
01:04:47.159 --> 01:04:49.000
like what what was that?

934
01:04:51.239 --> 01:04:53.559
Like? What moves that fast?

935
01:04:55.760 --> 01:04:58.840
And then to know that it's an intelligence being that

936
01:04:59.000 --> 01:05:04.719
knows you're the wood before you do, so it has

937
01:05:04.800 --> 01:05:09.559
its moment of intimidation, which I think when you were

938
01:05:09.599 --> 01:05:13.679
saying you heard a lot of screaming and hollers like

939
01:05:15.039 --> 01:05:17.360
I know, I wonder and I'm going to ask you

940
01:05:18.159 --> 01:05:20.159
was not in some way frightening?

941
01:05:21.559 --> 01:05:25.239
It was really interesting. It definitely, I would say physically

942
01:05:25.320 --> 01:05:28.519
I had a frightened response to it. Felt like the

943
01:05:28.559 --> 01:05:30.639
blood rushed out of my head down to my feet.

944
01:05:30.880 --> 01:05:33.760
It was hard to kind of keep in control, you

945
01:05:33.840 --> 01:05:37.199
know of like okay, don't freak out type deal. Yeah.

946
01:05:40.480 --> 01:05:45.239
Have you ever heard of anything where bigfoot or sasquatch

947
01:05:45.440 --> 01:05:51.280
responds to someone playing a musical instrument on expedition anything

948
01:05:51.360 --> 01:05:51.519
at that?

949
01:05:54.519 --> 01:06:01.880
Well, I think all animals respond to music, And I

950
01:06:01.960 --> 01:06:06.480
mean I've played music in the forest, and you know,

951
01:06:06.559 --> 01:06:11.159
the owls show up. Inevitably, owls will show up. But

952
01:06:11.360 --> 01:06:13.519
I think sometimes it has to be the right kind

953
01:06:13.519 --> 01:06:17.280
of music, like maybe the harder music, maybe more intimidating.

954
01:06:17.880 --> 01:06:21.559
Maybe they might be intrigued but not come close. But

955
01:06:22.599 --> 01:06:27.159
something beautiful. I mean, there's these wonderfully sweet videos of

956
01:06:27.280 --> 01:06:31.159
people who go out and play violin for cows and

957
01:06:31.679 --> 01:06:35.119
for the dairy cows, and those dairy cows love that.

958
01:06:35.679 --> 01:06:37.840
They'll run over to the fence and hang out and

959
01:06:38.000 --> 01:06:45.159
listen to their little music, you know. So I I

960
01:06:45.320 --> 01:06:51.480
definitely have played music in the forest, and I've had

961
01:06:52.400 --> 01:06:58.039
I've definitely had a response with that, for sure, beautiful response.

962
01:06:58.519 --> 01:07:03.119
Like one time and Randy's territory, I played music that

963
01:07:03.199 --> 01:07:05.840
I that I was connected to at a deep level.

964
01:07:06.519 --> 01:07:11.840
And I also sometimes would do a meditation and sometimes

965
01:07:12.199 --> 01:07:15.920
I would do a prayer. You know, I think reverence

966
01:07:17.480 --> 01:07:22.320
to this space that we are given is what we

967
01:07:22.400 --> 01:07:28.880
are sorely lacking right now. If you really look at

968
01:07:28.920 --> 01:07:32.559
the earth and you see that it is abundant, ever

969
01:07:32.719 --> 01:07:40.159
vestens and teeming with life, you know, I like to

970
01:07:40.239 --> 01:07:45.280
give some thanks for that, some reverence for that. And

971
01:07:45.400 --> 01:07:49.960
so sometimes the songs I would play, would kind of

972
01:07:50.400 --> 01:07:55.000
reflect that feeling in me. And one of the most

973
01:07:55.039 --> 01:08:01.519
beautiful experiences I've ever had is that afterwards there were

974
01:08:02.519 --> 01:08:07.480
these thirteen vocalizations just a little bit after.

975
01:08:09.400 --> 01:08:11.559
And again, once.

976
01:08:11.400 --> 01:08:15.920
Again, I won't have the breathing capacity nor probably the

977
01:08:16.000 --> 01:08:21.760
vocal possibility of actually doing what I heard someone maybe

978
01:08:21.800 --> 01:08:32.479
opera could for sure, But it sounded like this, but

979
01:08:32.600 --> 01:08:37.359
it was much longer, you know, with that sweet little

980
01:08:37.880 --> 01:08:43.800
just dropped down and in the melody, it was so

981
01:08:46.239 --> 01:08:52.439
it was so beautiful, and there were thirteen of those vocalizations,

982
01:08:53.439 --> 01:08:58.520
and Randy said that they liked what I did and

983
01:08:58.640 --> 01:08:59.680
that we needed to leave.

984
01:09:02.199 --> 01:09:02.840
We need to leave.

985
01:09:02.960 --> 01:09:06.239
Yeah, right, that is that was beautiful. Thank you for

986
01:09:06.359 --> 01:09:10.920
doing that. I mean, I think that sounded absolutely absolutely marvelous.

987
01:09:11.000 --> 01:09:11.279
Thank you.

988
01:09:13.159 --> 01:09:17.760
Yeah. So, And there's just so many things, you know,

989
01:09:17.960 --> 01:09:23.880
like I've seen effervescence in the forest, in that meditative space,

990
01:09:23.960 --> 01:09:25.239
in that reverent space.

991
01:09:25.560 --> 01:09:29.039
I really learned in a.

992
01:09:30.159 --> 01:09:33.640
Humble way, but like shocking to me that I how

993
01:09:33.720 --> 01:09:37.119
curative I am and can be, you know, for actually

994
01:09:37.880 --> 01:09:42.399
hearing you know, like sticking with the research, like every

995
01:09:42.479 --> 01:09:46.239
opportunity getting out there, but I can get out there knowing,

996
01:09:46.920 --> 01:09:49.960
like I said, that ninety percent of it was going

997
01:09:50.039 --> 01:09:52.800
to be terrifying, but all of it would be glorious.

998
01:09:53.000 --> 01:09:57.439
If anything Bigfoot taught me is that there is so

999
01:09:57.680 --> 01:10:02.800
much more beauty than I'd ever imagined on this planet.

1000
01:10:03.079 --> 01:10:07.039
You've mentioned meditation a few times. How did that play

1001
01:10:07.159 --> 01:10:09.119
into your Bigfoot research?

1002
01:10:11.880 --> 01:10:16.640
Well, I, like I said, I would often if I

1003
01:10:16.720 --> 01:10:21.000
got to the opportunity, you know, to do what I

1004
01:10:21.119 --> 01:10:24.800
felt was reverent. In the fourth it came about like this.

1005
01:10:25.560 --> 01:10:28.600
I mean even from my first expedition, it was just

1006
01:10:28.720 --> 01:10:30.920
kind of this logical thing. And it's not to be

1007
01:10:31.359 --> 01:10:35.640
so hard on humanity. I love humans. We're fragile and

1008
01:10:35.760 --> 01:10:38.600
we make really big mistakes. And I think we're a

1009
01:10:38.600 --> 01:10:43.319
lot more fragile than we own it any given time,

1010
01:10:43.560 --> 01:10:47.880
because our species is really fallible to making, like I said,

1011
01:10:48.600 --> 01:10:52.079
huge mistakes, and non humans are not like that. When

1012
01:10:52.119 --> 01:10:55.279
the Europeans first got here, there are a couple of

1013
01:10:55.359 --> 01:10:59.439
things that happened. One, they were not on an anthropological expedition.

1014
01:11:02.119 --> 01:11:05.760
A lot of people don't know that. Immediately on the

1015
01:11:05.800 --> 01:11:09.119
East coast they killed over two million wolves.

1016
01:11:10.560 --> 01:11:14.560
Right away, and then a few years later.

1017
01:11:15.039 --> 01:11:16.760
You know, it wouldn't be less and I don't know

1018
01:11:16.840 --> 01:11:19.760
how many years, but maybe twenty years later they would

1019
01:11:19.800 --> 01:11:25.279
be in the Midwest shooting seven million bison. So if

1020
01:11:25.319 --> 01:11:29.880
you were this like human like species, cousin of a human,

1021
01:11:30.439 --> 01:11:34.680
even like a Neanderthal, you know, whatever this being could be.

1022
01:11:35.680 --> 01:11:39.199
And it is again with all the paranormal. The paranormal

1023
01:11:39.319 --> 01:11:43.119
is true, but so is the biology. The biologies there

1024
01:11:43.399 --> 01:11:51.479
or we wouldn't have footprints. So so if you were

1025
01:11:51.560 --> 01:11:56.479
this nocturnal species that interacted lightly with humans, which is

1026
01:11:56.640 --> 01:12:00.520
kind of what a lot of the First Nations people

1027
01:12:01.479 --> 01:12:07.399
say about their experience with sasquatch, you know, some traded berries,

1028
01:12:08.039 --> 01:12:10.239
you know, some traded you know, they would trade salmon

1029
01:12:10.319 --> 01:12:13.560
for berries or whatever, leave baskets in the forest for

1030
01:12:13.680 --> 01:12:17.840
each other. So they interacted. And not all the stories

1031
01:12:18.079 --> 01:12:20.399
like that, but quite a few of them are. You

1032
01:12:20.520 --> 01:12:24.439
get quite a few of those sorts of countings. So

1033
01:12:24.520 --> 01:12:30.399
if you were just like again, elusive but friendly, larger

1034
01:12:30.479 --> 01:12:35.640
being that shared space, but you're nocturnal and you start

1035
01:12:35.680 --> 01:12:40.000
hearing gunfire for the first time, you go invisible, and

1036
01:12:40.159 --> 01:12:44.359
so that just seems to me to be logical. And

1037
01:12:44.720 --> 01:12:49.119
therefore I thought, wow, I'm sure it's been many years

1038
01:12:49.880 --> 01:12:54.079
since they have seen us be really reverent in the force.

1039
01:12:54.600 --> 01:12:59.880
Of course, people hike and appreciate and love nature. They

1040
01:13:00.119 --> 01:13:03.159
are there's many of us that are like that. But

1041
01:13:03.319 --> 01:13:06.479
really just to go out and do an act of reverence,

1042
01:13:07.039 --> 01:13:11.199
like to really like go into a deep space of

1043
01:13:11.359 --> 01:13:15.840
meditation of prayer and say thank you for all that

1044
01:13:15.920 --> 01:13:20.520
all is, you know. And so I thought, wow, if

1045
01:13:20.560 --> 01:13:23.359
I do something like that, you know, I just want

1046
01:13:23.399 --> 01:13:26.640
to show them something of beauty, and that's all I

1047
01:13:26.720 --> 01:13:28.960
have is my prayer. I would do that.

1048
01:13:31.560 --> 01:13:35.119
It makes so much sense because I've been in this

1049
01:13:36.000 --> 01:13:39.359
really just a few years, but I have experienced being

1050
01:13:39.399 --> 01:13:42.479
in an area to actually just this last summer of

1051
01:13:42.520 --> 01:13:48.479
where it's a known Sasquatch area, But stuff only happened

1052
01:13:48.680 --> 01:13:52.560
if certain people were there that had a different viewpoint

1053
01:13:53.119 --> 01:13:59.359
towards the subject, rather than people that trying to say

1054
01:13:59.399 --> 01:14:01.880
it a certain way. But I think it all comes

1055
01:14:01.960 --> 01:14:05.479
down to your your intention of why you're doing this,

1056
01:14:05.680 --> 01:14:07.720
and if you're in it just for a certain reason,

1057
01:14:07.880 --> 01:14:11.119
you're probably not going to experience a lot of activity.

1058
01:14:12.600 --> 01:14:17.000
Right, So that's it's like a consciousness thing, yeah, right.

1059
01:14:17.680 --> 01:14:22.840
The more your consciousness is aligned with a higher force

1060
01:14:23.560 --> 01:14:28.960
in our forests, the more your consciousness is appreciative of that, Like,

1061
01:14:29.039 --> 01:14:34.079
whatever it is, it's a consciousness thing. Where like my

1062
01:14:34.159 --> 01:14:37.479
one colleague, I knew they didn't like him for some reason.

1063
01:14:38.560 --> 01:14:43.039
You know, they were always aggressive, you know, or you know,

1064
01:14:43.199 --> 01:14:49.119
or certain type of elusiveness you know, like, yeah, but

1065
01:14:49.279 --> 01:14:53.720
they didn't show up, which is also pretty amazing. But

1066
01:14:53.880 --> 01:14:57.359
I do think that a part of that had to

1067
01:14:57.439 --> 01:15:03.680
do just with my openness to my curiosity, and it

1068
01:15:03.880 --> 01:15:05.199
came from my heart.

1069
01:15:06.159 --> 01:15:09.119
Yeah, it wasn't coming from my head, big so society

1070
01:15:09.119 --> 01:15:11.079
will be right back after these messages.

1071
01:15:28.000 --> 01:15:30.439
It was truly like that's what I said. What shifted

1072
01:15:30.840 --> 01:15:35.760
seemed almost paranormal, is that this whole thing for me started.

1073
01:15:36.399 --> 01:15:41.119
It came straight from my heart, Like what, there's this thing?

1074
01:15:41.640 --> 01:15:46.479
What you know? And I remember this always even now,

1075
01:15:47.079 --> 01:15:50.319
just shaking my head like I did you know two

1076
01:15:50.359 --> 01:15:55.079
thousand and seven, Like there's this possibility there is this

1077
01:15:55.800 --> 01:15:59.760
other being in the forest, and we have not researched

1078
01:15:59.840 --> 01:16:03.640
it and made and found out about it and you know,

1079
01:16:03.800 --> 01:16:07.199
connected with it in a real level. Yeah. I was

1080
01:16:07.680 --> 01:16:11.880
confounded that the scientific community had turned its back on

1081
01:16:12.039 --> 01:16:17.119
this work. And even you know, being good, don't believe,

1082
01:16:18.039 --> 01:16:21.760
but she's not interested in research, I think because she's like.

1083
01:16:21.880 --> 01:16:27.319
Leaving alone, right, that's funny, Yeah, exactly, but yeah, she

1084
01:16:27.520 --> 01:16:30.560
has I believe there's there's video you can find where

1085
01:16:30.640 --> 01:16:34.439
she talks about about that. Yeah, from what I've seen.

1086
01:16:34.680 --> 01:16:37.640
Do you have any advice for individuals that are wanting

1087
01:16:37.720 --> 01:16:40.680
to go into areas there's been known to have been

1088
01:16:41.279 --> 01:16:44.119
bigfoot in that areas and things they might be able

1089
01:16:44.239 --> 01:16:47.319
to do in order to try to have that contact.

1090
01:16:50.000 --> 01:16:52.920
Well, I think, you know, just go in and be

1091
01:16:53.439 --> 01:16:58.039
peaceful and do what you're going to do, like set

1092
01:16:58.079 --> 01:17:01.319
the intention, you know, you set the tension. You know,

1093
01:17:01.359 --> 01:17:05.279
I'm here, I'm here to see you. That's kind of

1094
01:17:05.319 --> 01:17:08.159
what I said at the beginning, like come out where

1095
01:17:08.199 --> 01:17:10.680
it come out because I'm here to see you, like

1096
01:17:11.960 --> 01:17:15.880
I'm here for you, And so I think that openness

1097
01:17:16.560 --> 01:17:21.279
will help I for some reason, I know this is

1098
01:17:21.359 --> 01:17:25.880
really personal, but I cannot stand the use of lights

1099
01:17:25.920 --> 01:17:32.159
at night. M I know it's hard to be in

1100
01:17:32.239 --> 01:17:39.680
the force when it's dark, but there's something about them

1101
01:17:39.920 --> 01:17:48.479
that are disorienting to the space, and so the space

1102
01:17:48.600 --> 01:17:54.479
is calmer when it's natural. A light of a light

1103
01:17:54.560 --> 01:17:58.159
in the force is an intrusion, especially the big led

1104
01:17:58.399 --> 01:18:02.760
lights that see for three miles, Like nobody wants that

1105
01:18:02.840 --> 01:18:05.199
at night, No night creature wants set.

1106
01:18:06.840 --> 01:18:09.479
I will. I'll tell you something that happened in Oregon

1107
01:18:09.600 --> 01:18:14.000
one night when we were in this area. We were

1108
01:18:14.079 --> 01:18:16.079
right in front of this meadow and there's a tree

1109
01:18:16.159 --> 01:18:19.079
line at the other side of it, and we knew

1110
01:18:19.119 --> 01:18:22.560
we were there out there, and this one individual takes

1111
01:18:22.600 --> 01:18:27.760
a very high powered flashlight and starts shining it along

1112
01:18:27.960 --> 01:18:32.319
the woodline and almost immediately there was a massive, huge

1113
01:18:32.720 --> 01:18:36.760
wood crack right to the right of where this flashlight

1114
01:18:36.880 --> 01:18:40.239
was shown. But it just had this feeling like, you know,

1115
01:18:40.560 --> 01:18:42.560
get that get that light out of here. It was

1116
01:18:43.159 --> 01:18:45.199
maybe almost like a warning. I don't know. It was

1117
01:18:45.359 --> 01:18:48.479
very weird though, how it was in then half a

1118
01:18:48.600 --> 01:18:50.800
second when the light was shone over there.

1119
01:18:51.000 --> 01:18:55.239
It's really funny. Along with your story, what it reminded

1120
01:18:55.319 --> 01:18:59.319
me of is the story when and I think it

1121
01:18:59.479 --> 01:19:04.039
may Meldrum may have been up there. I don't remember

1122
01:19:04.079 --> 01:19:08.159
what group the cabin where they supposedly got blood samples.

1123
01:19:08.760 --> 01:19:12.760
Oh are you talking about the Snell Drove Lake cabin

1124
01:19:12.880 --> 01:19:13.840
with Doug Hicheck.

1125
01:19:15.520 --> 01:19:19.680
I don't remember who I'm so sorry, I just but

1126
01:19:19.840 --> 01:19:22.680
it's you know, it's a pretty famous one where they're

1127
01:19:22.760 --> 01:19:25.720
like these four researchers in this cabin. They've been known

1128
01:19:25.760 --> 01:19:30.479
for activity, and they had had rocks thrown and like

1129
01:19:30.560 --> 01:19:34.239
people had reported rocks being thrown and pretty aggressive behavior.

1130
01:19:34.800 --> 01:19:37.960
Well I thought it was really funny and something just

1131
01:19:38.039 --> 01:19:44.720
seems like kind of off. But so before men are there,

1132
01:19:45.159 --> 01:19:47.720
it's getting pretty late. They're all been about to hit

1133
01:19:47.800 --> 01:19:51.880
the pay and so one of them walks out onto

1134
01:19:51.960 --> 01:19:55.640
the deck and pees into the forest, which is fine,

1135
01:19:56.359 --> 01:19:58.399
what are you going to do? You're going to the bathroom.

1136
01:19:58.920 --> 01:20:02.439
But right after that is when they had all this

1137
01:20:03.159 --> 01:20:08.119
like all this aggressive behavior, rocks being thrown and screens

1138
01:20:08.159 --> 01:20:12.199
and yellow and all these vocalizations. And I always thought

1139
01:20:12.239 --> 01:20:15.359
that was really funny. I'm like, yeah, well maybe this

1140
01:20:15.560 --> 01:20:18.720
thing just how you walk out and be like and

1141
01:20:18.800 --> 01:20:20.760
it's a little hold, do you know what I mean?

1142
01:20:21.079 --> 01:20:24.439
I just thought that was so funny. But it's a

1143
01:20:24.560 --> 01:20:28.399
really well known case about them being up there and

1144
01:20:29.640 --> 01:20:34.159
being attacked, and then suppose they put out this what

1145
01:20:34.279 --> 01:20:38.600
they did, they put out this that had little spikes

1146
01:20:38.640 --> 01:20:41.520
on it and so if something stepped on it, they

1147
01:20:41.560 --> 01:20:45.079
would have blood and hair well, they got the blood

1148
01:20:45.119 --> 01:20:50.279
and hair from that, So I never remember how scientifically

1149
01:20:50.800 --> 01:20:53.279
that turned out for them, if it was unknown or

1150
01:20:53.319 --> 01:20:56.760
what kind of species, because it happened. That happened probably

1151
01:20:56.800 --> 01:20:57.760
about twenty years ago.

1152
01:20:59.279 --> 01:21:03.239
It's from an old Monster Quest episode. There's actually two

1153
01:21:03.319 --> 01:21:06.800
of them, yes, yep, yep, and Dog actually ended up

1154
01:21:06.840 --> 01:21:09.479
going up this last year again and he's going to

1155
01:21:09.520 --> 01:21:12.239
be reporting on that in a future documentary.

1156
01:21:12.319 --> 01:21:15.319
I think I do believe they are like people though

1157
01:21:16.199 --> 01:21:18.680
in the sense, like what like humans in the sense,

1158
01:21:19.119 --> 01:21:26.359
but sometimes they don't want you in their territory. Hm. Yeah,

1159
01:21:26.560 --> 01:21:30.279
and they're not going to hurt you, but you may

1160
01:21:30.319 --> 01:21:37.119
not have a pleasant experience because there are there are

1161
01:21:37.920 --> 01:21:43.159
reports that reflect this, and I think we have to

1162
01:21:43.680 --> 01:21:46.520
also have a certain amount of respect for that. If

1163
01:21:46.560 --> 01:21:49.600
you're going into a territory where you're getting aggressive behavior,

1164
01:21:50.079 --> 01:21:54.560
you may want to think about that, you know, I know, Okay,

1165
01:21:54.680 --> 01:21:59.319
So just take this for what it is. I don't

1166
01:21:59.319 --> 01:22:01.800
know if I'm making it too much about it, but

1167
01:22:04.640 --> 01:22:07.520
it also is one of the strangest things that ever happened.

1168
01:22:08.279 --> 01:22:11.920
So there's a place called Doshi Wallops and I have

1169
01:22:12.880 --> 01:22:15.840
the activity that goes on back there is a lot

1170
01:22:15.880 --> 01:22:23.279
of rock throwing, and so it doesn't feel like overly

1171
01:22:24.239 --> 01:22:27.000
like you know, friendly, there's just like I said, the

1172
01:22:27.079 --> 01:22:29.479
reports are rock throwing. And you hear screams back there

1173
01:22:29.520 --> 01:22:33.560
at night, for sure, and but we hear vocalizations. A

1174
01:22:33.640 --> 01:22:37.479
lot of people hear it, and yeah, it's many. And

1175
01:22:37.800 --> 01:22:39.560
I went back there, and like.

1176
01:22:39.600 --> 01:22:40.920
I do like to leave crystals.

1177
01:22:41.479 --> 01:22:45.520
I leave them because you know, I think there's something

1178
01:22:45.560 --> 01:22:50.920
beautiful and something that would draw attentions. But yet it's

1179
01:22:51.000 --> 01:22:54.000
not like a plastic toy. I'm not littering and not

1180
01:22:54.199 --> 01:22:57.319
leaving something that in its own right doesn't belong in

1181
01:22:57.359 --> 01:23:02.720
the force already. So way, and I went back there.

1182
01:23:03.399 --> 01:23:07.520
I had a rose quartz heart that was as big

1183
01:23:08.720 --> 01:23:13.239
as a baseball. It was some really good chunk. And

1184
01:23:13.359 --> 01:23:16.760
I went out there and with the intention to bring,

1185
01:23:17.439 --> 01:23:22.159
like you know, an offering of goodwill. And I we

1186
01:23:22.319 --> 01:23:29.000
walked probably a good five miles back into that area

1187
01:23:30.000 --> 01:23:32.720
and I went off trail. I went up the hill

1188
01:23:33.279 --> 01:23:37.199
a bit and I found this tree stump and it

1189
01:23:37.359 --> 01:23:40.760
was the tree stump itself would be easy enough to

1190
01:23:41.920 --> 01:23:46.520
see from the trail, but technically there'd be no reason

1191
01:23:46.800 --> 01:23:48.720
for anybody to go up there. Maybe to go to

1192
01:23:48.760 --> 01:23:51.800
the bathroom, but the hill itself was so steep I

1193
01:23:51.880 --> 01:23:54.520
think someone would look for an easier place to do that.

1194
01:23:54.720 --> 01:23:58.239
So I really did try to hide it, but also

1195
01:23:58.720 --> 01:24:02.680
have a marker for where exactly I hit it right,

1196
01:24:03.560 --> 01:24:06.560
And so I did it at this where this trail

1197
01:24:06.640 --> 01:24:11.439
starts to go up this very steep ridge and it

1198
01:24:11.560 --> 01:24:15.760
splits and you can follow another way. And so I

1199
01:24:15.840 --> 01:24:19.319
go up to this tree stump that is massive and

1200
01:24:20.399 --> 01:24:24.239
it's pretty tore up, but it was a good five

1201
01:24:24.279 --> 01:24:27.319
feet in diameter at the base, and I find this

1202
01:24:27.520 --> 01:24:30.520
little spot and I put it in the tree, a

1203
01:24:30.640 --> 01:24:33.680
little ledge that all you could kind of see was

1204
01:24:33.800 --> 01:24:36.039
this a tad bit of the pink, you know, just

1205
01:24:36.079 --> 01:24:39.079
so you kind of saw that there might be something unusual.

1206
01:24:39.359 --> 01:24:41.840
But I definitely left it for the most part out

1207
01:24:41.880 --> 01:24:45.920
of sight as much as possible, and like I said,

1208
01:24:46.000 --> 01:24:51.439
set the intention for good will. And we walked back

1209
01:24:51.520 --> 01:24:58.399
in about three weeks later, and the tree stump was gone,

1210
01:24:58.880 --> 01:25:04.399
completely gone, and it didn't even look like like there

1211
01:25:04.479 --> 01:25:09.119
wasn't a whole there. It didn't even look like like

1212
01:25:09.239 --> 01:25:11.560
you would think maybe it was rotted in the forest

1213
01:25:11.600 --> 01:25:15.199
service maybe thought it could be, even though it really

1214
01:25:15.279 --> 01:25:17.399
could not be a danger, but you know, they pulled

1215
01:25:17.439 --> 01:25:23.159
things out or something. No, No, that tresump was gone.

1216
01:25:25.239 --> 01:25:28.159
Now I don't know what to make up about that,

1217
01:25:29.159 --> 01:25:30.800
but it doesn't feel welcoming.

1218
01:25:34.680 --> 01:25:37.880
I would agree with you definitely. That is a very

1219
01:25:38.000 --> 01:25:39.520
strange account.

1220
01:25:40.000 --> 01:25:40.239
I have.

1221
01:25:42.199 --> 01:25:45.640
Two more questions and I first, I just want to

1222
01:25:45.680 --> 01:25:49.119
say thank you for spending your time with me and

1223
01:25:49.439 --> 01:25:55.880
for sharing some extremely interesting things from your years of research.

1224
01:25:56.760 --> 01:25:59.359
Have you ever heard anything come out of the Lake

1225
01:25:59.439 --> 01:26:00.279
Cushman area?

1226
01:26:02.439 --> 01:26:06.520
Oh yeah, I mean the Olympic Witt It's I mean

1227
01:26:07.359 --> 01:26:11.760
this is and Vancouver Island, you know, reportedly where you

1228
01:26:11.880 --> 01:26:18.119
have the most credible witness reports of sasquatch, you know,

1229
01:26:18.159 --> 01:26:22.479
with Oregon coming like I think Vancouver Island then then

1230
01:26:22.680 --> 01:26:25.479
Washington and Oregon kind of in that order. I may

1231
01:26:25.520 --> 01:26:29.359
be wrong, but it feels kind of that way. So

1232
01:26:30.199 --> 01:26:32.760
there are a lot of spots here. I mean, there's

1233
01:26:33.479 --> 01:26:38.119
the Olympic Forest is a hot spot, like you know,

1234
01:26:38.279 --> 01:26:42.079
like like some of the Oregon forests are. I'm like,

1235
01:26:42.680 --> 01:26:47.359
northern California is right, I mean, people still have experiences

1236
01:26:47.880 --> 01:26:53.760
down there in the Arcada area, you know, Like one

1237
01:26:53.760 --> 01:26:56.239
of my favorite stories about that is I have a

1238
01:26:56.319 --> 01:26:59.880
few friends who are X or you know which I

1239
01:27:00.640 --> 01:27:04.279
you know, retired military that said, you know, they used

1240
01:27:04.279 --> 01:27:07.680
to do drills all you do drills all over and

1241
01:27:08.479 --> 01:27:10.840
they'll like drop you in somewhere and you just in

1242
01:27:10.920 --> 01:27:12.960
the forest with nothing and you just have to survive.

1243
01:27:13.960 --> 01:27:18.079
And those are some of my best reports because those

1244
01:27:18.079 --> 01:27:21.159
people didn't believe until they were in the forest with nothing.

1245
01:27:21.359 --> 01:27:24.359
For ten days, when they would have interactions during that time.

1246
01:27:25.800 --> 01:27:28.920
Oh and here just maybe even just hear the calls,

1247
01:27:29.520 --> 01:27:31.720
you know, and just know, you know what I mean,

1248
01:27:31.800 --> 01:27:35.880
and hear the vocalizations or have the rock thrones or

1249
01:27:36.479 --> 01:27:38.760
stuff like that, you know, like, yeah, of course you

1250
01:27:38.880 --> 01:27:43.680
know they're real. Another Oh my goodness. Okay, this is

1251
01:27:44.760 --> 01:27:48.479
another one of my real, truly favorite stories about Bigfoot,

1252
01:27:48.680 --> 01:27:51.159
and it really has nothing to do with being in

1253
01:27:51.239 --> 01:27:58.880
the field or anything. So I had my thirtieth high

1254
01:27:58.920 --> 01:28:03.399
school reunion and I hadn't made my twentieth, so I decided, oh,

1255
01:28:03.479 --> 01:28:08.119
why not, let's do this, and I reconnected with my

1256
01:28:08.239 --> 01:28:12.279
high school best friend. And I was really surprised when

1257
01:28:12.960 --> 01:28:15.520
I got to the reunion and I just didn't even

1258
01:28:15.560 --> 01:28:19.319
think about it, but everybody was really like interested in

1259
01:28:19.439 --> 01:28:24.680
the Bigfoot thing and knowing more about what I was

1260
01:28:24.760 --> 01:28:28.319
doing in that research. And I was really super sweet that,

1261
01:28:28.600 --> 01:28:31.439
you know, I had no idea like people would know,

1262
01:28:32.199 --> 01:28:35.279
you know, especially from my high school. Anyway, my best

1263
01:28:35.279 --> 01:28:39.920
friend at the time, we went together and afterwards I

1264
01:28:40.079 --> 01:28:42.960
was staying with her and so for the weekend just

1265
01:28:43.159 --> 01:28:46.479
also to just like I said, just reconnect from all

1266
01:28:46.560 --> 01:28:49.479
those years past. And we get back to our house

1267
01:28:50.000 --> 01:28:53.439
and she hadn't said anything to me at all about Bigfoot,

1268
01:28:54.319 --> 01:28:58.119
and I was kind of surprised she hadn't said a word.

1269
01:28:58.920 --> 01:29:01.319
And when people were talking to me about Bigfoot, she

1270
01:29:01.520 --> 01:29:04.199
kind of just like do her own things, you know.

1271
01:29:05.000 --> 01:29:08.279
And then but when we got home, she gets out

1272
01:29:08.279 --> 01:29:10.880
a bottle of wine. She pours us each a glass.

1273
01:29:11.279 --> 01:29:13.760
She SIPs me down on the couch and she looks

1274
01:29:13.760 --> 01:29:18.520
at me and she goes, sonya, she goes, you know,

1275
01:29:19.399 --> 01:29:23.880
my dad was his only job in life. He was

1276
01:29:23.960 --> 01:29:28.800
a retired ranger, forest ranger. Well, I had forgotten said

1277
01:29:28.840 --> 01:29:30.880
her dad was a forest ranger. When I was in

1278
01:29:30.960 --> 01:29:34.279
high school, I had never really you know, thought about that.

1279
01:29:34.920 --> 01:29:39.000
I was like, oh, yeah, she said, sonya, she goes,

1280
01:29:39.880 --> 01:29:42.079
we lived in that force. We live in that force.

1281
01:29:42.159 --> 01:29:45.520
My dad works in that force. We know they're real, she.

1282
01:29:45.560 --> 01:29:48.640
Goes, but you don't go looking for them, begs, so

1283
01:29:48.720 --> 01:29:51.039
society will be right back after these messages.

1284
01:30:07.199 --> 01:30:12.039
That's crazy, remember having like I really felt like my brain,

1285
01:30:13.520 --> 01:30:16.000
like I said, this is how this stuff is on

1286
01:30:16.119 --> 01:30:19.640
that edge of paranormal for me. How I respond because

1287
01:30:20.319 --> 01:30:23.920
she kept saying to me, that's crazy, and I said,

1288
01:30:24.840 --> 01:30:31.640
I know, like I know, you know, but nothing in

1289
01:30:31.760 --> 01:30:35.119
me was ever going to stop, like I get it,

1290
01:30:35.439 --> 01:30:38.680
I hear you, you know, thank you. I know it's crazy,

1291
01:30:39.359 --> 01:30:43.079
but there was, Like I said, I knew she was

1292
01:30:43.199 --> 01:30:46.359
trying to warn me, but what was so odd about

1293
01:30:46.399 --> 01:30:48.760
it is it just didn't land that way with me,

1294
01:30:50.920 --> 01:30:54.279
Like I couldn't even hear it as a warning. It

1295
01:30:54.359 --> 01:31:00.439
didn't matter. And I've never had that kind of like real,

1296
01:31:01.359 --> 01:31:08.319
like this non good, negotiable experience, you know. But her

1297
01:31:08.920 --> 01:31:12.199
just leaning over to me like we know they're real,

1298
01:31:12.800 --> 01:31:16.920
you don't go looking for them. That's crazy, that's funnyest

1299
01:31:17.199 --> 01:31:22.479
that's crazy. That's how she was saying it. And I

1300
01:31:22.640 --> 01:31:24.920
was like blown away.

1301
01:31:29.600 --> 01:31:33.920
It's fascinating, and I think that we keep going in

1302
01:31:34.079 --> 01:31:37.680
years and maybe this is me speaking as a new

1303
01:31:37.800 --> 01:31:41.000
person to the subject. But it feels like the further

1304
01:31:41.119 --> 01:31:44.159
I do this, the more emails I start getting from

1305
01:31:44.520 --> 01:31:48.720
park rangers and forestry workers that say I want to

1306
01:31:48.760 --> 01:31:50.960
come forward, then they don't end up doing it, But

1307
01:31:51.279 --> 01:31:53.680
just the fact that they're even sending them gives me

1308
01:31:53.880 --> 01:31:57.119
the feeling that we might be getting closer to more

1309
01:31:57.279 --> 01:32:00.359
information come out. But I mean that might be me

1310
01:32:00.399 --> 01:32:01.560
as a new person. I don't know.

1311
01:32:01.760 --> 01:32:04.880
I hope so. But you know, like I said, we

1312
01:32:05.000 --> 01:32:08.560
have this, we're having an odd relationship with the truth.

1313
01:32:09.000 --> 01:32:13.520
Like all these years, it feels like UFO has been suppressed,

1314
01:32:14.079 --> 01:32:18.439
and now that UFO is out in the open, it's like, oh, well,

1315
01:32:18.479 --> 01:32:20.560
it could be the government doing that, you know what

1316
01:32:20.600 --> 01:32:26.000
I mean. Like so, and you know, there's all these

1317
01:32:26.520 --> 01:32:32.279
new possibilities and new types of information, and you know,

1318
01:32:32.319 --> 01:32:34.640
we're kind of bogged down with all of it. I

1319
01:32:34.720 --> 01:32:39.479
think it's a little bit too much information, to be honest,

1320
01:32:39.640 --> 01:32:42.840
to our brains, it's a lot we're meant to not

1321
01:32:43.000 --> 01:32:46.920
handle so much. I just want everyone to know that

1322
01:32:47.000 --> 01:32:51.399
it is real and that everybody keep doing the research, like,

1323
01:32:51.560 --> 01:32:53.239
just keep doing it is fascinating.

1324
01:32:55.680 --> 01:33:00.319
I feel it is fascinating as well. The last question

1325
01:33:00.640 --> 01:33:02.880
that I would like to ask, and I need to

1326
01:33:02.920 --> 01:33:06.279
get you're okay for it too? First? Is it okay

1327
01:33:06.319 --> 01:33:08.920
if I ask a question about your cancer?

1328
01:33:11.279 --> 01:33:11.439
Oh?

1329
01:33:12.399 --> 01:33:15.279
Yeah, of course, thank you, because I've never been able

1330
01:33:15.319 --> 01:33:19.359
to ask this question. And you'll get what I mean

1331
01:33:19.359 --> 01:33:26.800
in a minute. So there's always a thought process in

1332
01:33:26.880 --> 01:33:32.000
the community where there'll be people that have they at

1333
01:33:32.039 --> 01:33:36.880
the you know, they end up having these horrible health conditions.

1334
01:33:37.239 --> 01:33:41.000
And as a person that is experiencing cancer but was

1335
01:33:41.079 --> 01:33:44.199
also a Bigfoot researcher and able to talk to you

1336
01:33:44.319 --> 01:33:48.600
at this point, do you yourself feel like there's a

1337
01:33:48.680 --> 01:33:54.279
connection between what you're experiencing with your bigfoot research from

1338
01:33:54.479 --> 01:33:55.079
years past.

1339
01:33:56.560 --> 01:33:59.600
Well, you know, to be quite honest with you, we

1340
01:33:59.720 --> 01:34:02.600
can't rule it out as possibility, right because there's evidence

1341
01:34:02.720 --> 01:34:06.359
for it, and it could very well be that the

1342
01:34:06.880 --> 01:34:11.039
shift in, for lack of a better word, the shift

1343
01:34:11.720 --> 01:34:17.600
in an energetic dimension, no matter how that happens, could

1344
01:34:17.680 --> 01:34:23.479
be tonxic. And to even substantiate that from a very

1345
01:34:23.520 --> 01:34:26.600
interesting source. But if we do look at the Bible

1346
01:34:26.640 --> 01:34:30.079
as history as well, there is the accounts of the

1347
01:34:31.199 --> 01:34:35.479
early Hebrew priests having to wear special jackets when they

1348
01:34:35.520 --> 01:34:38.720
went into the temples to protect themselves from the energy,

1349
01:34:41.960 --> 01:34:45.399
and that would be the energy of force, like another

1350
01:34:46.199 --> 01:34:50.199
dimensional being. If you want to call that God for them,

1351
01:34:51.079 --> 01:34:56.119
then that's great. But the or whatever, you know, whatever

1352
01:34:56.159 --> 01:34:59.399
spirituality you have, like you believe that was an experience

1353
01:34:59.439 --> 01:35:02.720
of God. But if you read the Bible and especially

1354
01:35:03.199 --> 01:35:07.199
the Book of Enoch, you know, you discover that they

1355
01:35:07.239 --> 01:35:10.439
would be hurt by these things, by these interactions with God.

1356
01:35:11.000 --> 01:35:15.359
You know, they were often told not to look, you know,

1357
01:35:16.159 --> 01:35:19.720
and to where like I said, the priests would the

1358
01:35:19.800 --> 01:35:23.359
early priests, they would wear they would definitely wear these

1359
01:35:23.399 --> 01:35:30.079
special jackets. So is it plausible. It's entirely plausible. And

1360
01:35:30.880 --> 01:35:35.319
you know, it could be just with even the paranormal

1361
01:35:35.880 --> 01:35:39.439
activity in general, Like maybe it's not a SABS squad specific,

1362
01:35:40.239 --> 01:35:46.319
but just a paranormal energy, right, because there is I mean,

1363
01:35:46.399 --> 01:35:49.399
isn't there some I'm asking you about this because I

1364
01:35:49.560 --> 01:35:52.840
don't rightly know, But isn't there some evidence that would

1365
01:35:52.880 --> 01:35:58.319
substantiate that a lot of these hotspots have an increase

1366
01:35:58.399 --> 01:36:01.000
in radioactivity? Is that not true?

1367
01:36:02.520 --> 01:36:02.760
Well?

1368
01:36:03.720 --> 01:36:04.640
Is anyone measured for that?

1369
01:36:05.399 --> 01:36:10.039
Actually there has been. Yeah, there's a couple of investigators

1370
01:36:10.039 --> 01:36:14.560
out in West Virginia that we're able to get readings

1371
01:36:14.840 --> 01:36:17.239
around an area where I believe there was a footprint,

1372
01:36:17.479 --> 01:36:21.560
and they did find high, very high radioactive readings. That's

1373
01:36:22.319 --> 01:36:26.359
Joe Purdue and Ron Lanham from West Virginia. So there

1374
01:36:26.439 --> 01:36:28.000
definitely could be a correlation there.

1375
01:36:28.159 --> 01:36:32.840
Yeah, and so you know that just might be the

1376
01:36:32.960 --> 01:36:39.319
physical consequence. But also know there are equally stories about

1377
01:36:39.399 --> 01:36:44.640
sasquatch healing people. You know, I have a friend, it's

1378
01:36:44.680 --> 01:36:49.119
one of the kind of saddest stories. So, like I said,

1379
01:36:49.359 --> 01:36:55.039
with sasquatch, the emotional experience, the aggressive, non aggressive, the loving.

1380
01:36:55.520 --> 01:37:01.199
There are examples and reports of all time of these experiences.

1381
01:37:02.000 --> 01:37:05.880
So one of my friends who was an avid hunter

1382
01:37:06.119 --> 01:37:09.840
and actually he used to love to hike and hike

1383
01:37:09.880 --> 01:37:15.239
in the winter and he was out and he was

1384
01:37:16.000 --> 01:37:21.399
a really experienced outdoorsman where he actually would do courses

1385
01:37:21.840 --> 01:37:26.680
for people for survival and real backwards survival and anyway,

1386
01:37:27.520 --> 01:37:36.119
so one time when he was out, he slipped in

1387
01:37:36.199 --> 01:37:38.640
a creek and he fell and he hit his head

1388
01:37:39.600 --> 01:37:45.159
and he knew he was going unconscious and he knew

1389
01:37:45.880 --> 01:37:49.479
that was not a good thing as he was lying

1390
01:37:49.520 --> 01:37:55.079
in the creek in the middle of winter, right, and

1391
01:37:55.279 --> 01:38:02.760
so at some point he feels this beautiful, warm hand

1392
01:38:03.520 --> 01:38:12.800
on his forehead, and he was instantly all right, But

1393
01:38:13.239 --> 01:38:18.000
his years of being like an outdoorsman and a hunter

1394
01:38:18.880 --> 01:38:22.039
just to kind of taught him to reach for his gun,

1395
01:38:24.520 --> 01:38:30.000
and he automatically went for his gun. And he was

1396
01:38:30.159 --> 01:38:35.560
crying when he said it was just the worst decision

1397
01:38:36.159 --> 01:38:39.359
he had ever made, because the being who had dishealed him,

1398
01:38:41.039 --> 01:38:47.800
he wasn't even cold, just healed him, stood up and screamed,

1399
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just this horrible, horrible, sad scream and ran off. That's incredible,

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oh man, right right, yeah, And you know this is like,

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you know, a fifty five year old man about you know,

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01:39:20.680 --> 01:39:25.479
you know, definitely had his years many years you know,

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01:39:25.600 --> 01:39:29.239
in the forest. He loved it the fife, and you

1404
01:39:29.319 --> 01:39:35.000
know his response was completely natural, you know, completely yeah,

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01:39:36.479 --> 01:39:43.039
to go to protect, you know, and so yeah, but

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01:39:43.359 --> 01:39:47.560
you know he's he's just crying. Can never take that back.

1407
01:39:49.399 --> 01:39:52.560
It really does come down to how we react to

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01:39:52.920 --> 01:39:57.840
these these creatures that are in the woods and sometimes

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01:39:57.920 --> 01:40:01.000
not even the woods, sometimes around us. And I just

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01:40:01.079 --> 01:40:05.159
want to say, Sonia, thank you so much for spending

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some time sharing about what you've experienced over the years

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01:40:09.279 --> 01:40:15.359
and for teaching us some really interesting things that we

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01:40:15.560 --> 01:40:20.479
can implement going forward in our research as well. Thank

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01:40:20.520 --> 01:40:22.079
you so much for coming on Sonia.

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01:40:24.119 --> 01:40:27.720
Jeremiah, thank you so much for having me and one

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01:40:27.880 --> 01:40:32.079
last a little bit. Even though there's a possibility that

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01:40:33.159 --> 01:40:37.079
my interactions had something to do with my cancer, this

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01:40:37.159 --> 01:40:41.039
is quite true. I wouldn't I wouldn't change it a bit.

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01:40:42.039 --> 01:40:44.680
Just is what it is, a little bit of naive day.

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01:40:44.800 --> 01:40:48.680
Maybe I don't say that that is the truth what happened,

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01:40:48.760 --> 01:40:53.239
but if it is, then it is so Thank you

1422
01:40:53.439 --> 01:40:57.039
so very much, Jeremiah. I really appreciate you having me

1423
01:40:57.439 --> 01:41:00.319
and giving the chance to talk about things that I

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01:41:00.439 --> 01:41:01.840
hadn't really talked about before.

1425
01:41:02.079 --> 01:41:05.199
Special thanks again to Sonia for coming on the show

1426
01:41:05.680 --> 01:41:11.079
to share what she's experienced over her Bigfoot research years,

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01:41:11.800 --> 01:41:14.720
some of it for the first time ever. I appreciate

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01:41:14.800 --> 01:41:20.199
you coming on the show, Sonya. As of time of

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01:41:20.359 --> 01:41:24.920
editing November fourth, Sonya is still with us. There is

1430
01:41:25.119 --> 01:41:28.800
a GoFundMe that has been created to help her in

1431
01:41:28.920 --> 01:41:32.239
the last days of her life. You can find that

1432
01:41:32.359 --> 01:41:35.479
in the description of this episode. If you feel led,

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01:41:35.600 --> 01:41:39.720
please consider contributing to the gofundmeal. Again, thank you for

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01:41:39.800 --> 01:41:44.439
coming on the show. Sonya. And thank you to all

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