Wild Sasquatch of Massachusetts with Dave McCullough!

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0:51 Listeners will know in the past that I've referenced that I am originally from Massachusetts, specifically the Franklin County Northfield area, and of it. When I have people from that state on the show, it is a real privilege. So Dave a few things about yourself i'd like to share so listeners know some of your background. You've been a Bigfoot investigator for about twenty years and you're involved with helping both the BFROO and the Squatch a Chusetts group. So welcome to the show, Dave. How's it going, man, it's. Going good, and thank you for having me on. Yeah, absolutely absolutely, Oh man, it's it's it's fun if we were talking about the Boston accent before we started, and I never got that because I live out. I lived out in Western mass where we have dragons instead of accents.

1:48 But. I kind of wish I had a little bit. It's a it's a it's a badge of honor to where I think. But it's funny to say that a guy that started Squatsachusetts is from Western mass and he sounds nothing like me. So when we go places, people picked that right off. Wait, don't you both guys from Massachusetts? And it's pretty funny. Absolutely less than two while was away from each other, but talk totally different. It's it's crazy, man, It's like, you know, there'll be a little bit inside baseball for Massachusetts people in this one, but you know, it's like the state, you know, I lived about in the middle, up in the north and you go two and a half hours west, you're down by Great Barrington. You go two and a half hours east and you can be up in the North Shore area.

2:44 But it's just it's a really interesting state for diversity. But you know, Dave, whenever I have researchers investigators on the show, I love to start out with the course, you know, the question, which is you know what got you into this field? To begin to begin with what got you into the Bigfoot community? Well, I always had a big interest in like the older shows growing up in the seventies. It was in search of the mystery shows. I was more into UFOs and then I just got the bug with all the topics. Actually, but then then I want to say, in the nine needs the explosion of the Internet, would being able to read citing reports and information that was out there databases, seeing that it was really something, Then I really got the bug. And like you said, twenty years twenty years ago, I went on an expedition for the BFR Row in Whitehall, New York, which kind of put Bigfoot on the map on the East coast, and I never realized it was an East Coast I'm gonna as big as it is.

4:02 And then just by you know, digging into some books and stories, I really learned how it's really all over the country. It's not just the West coast. So I was able to really get involved and go out around here, you know, having to travel forward that realizing that wow, every state New England has had a long history of it, and that I didn't have to go as far because at first when I first went to New York, I started going out that way or you know, up into Vermont, and then just saying that Massachusetts itself has an old history of it and I've just been with it ever since.

4:45 That's fascinating. Was there anything that happened during that that first outing you had that was memorable in Whitehall? Not not physically seeing it anything as far as bigfoot wise, but I did see some mobs and we did have some odd sounds through the night in the woods. But it just got my met a lot of great people from it, and still friends with a lot of them have met up over the years, just kind of like reunion camping and but no, but Bigfoot related, No, nothing really happened then on that expedition.

5:26 Gotcha it was there a time when you realized that, hey, okay, there is something going on here in Massachusetts and you yourself got involved with looking into it. Yeah, going out with a few people and hearing wood knocks and then hearing a really good vocalization in an area was western mass out and the Birch Years Mountains where we just knew on the ride in it's ten minutes in one road that there was no vehicles, no homes, no so you can kind of rule out, like, you know, people out in the woods partying or anything like that.

6:11 So I was kind of convincing there. And since then, like over twenty years though, I've only had i'd say four good vocalizations and one really good tree snapped that was a close range and you know, not a big tree but a chapling, but totally snapped and slammed into the ground. Pretty good. Was probably I'm still waiting for that clear sighting, no sighting yet, but a lot of strange stuff. We've had a couple images on thermal. You know, again it's a blob, but it's something big and giving out some heat, so you know, you get a good idea of it, but until you get there, really hardcore proof that this is what made it, Like you can think what it is, and I think and I know what it was, but no, not that clear daylight, absolute visual.

7:07 I'm still waiting for that. Gotcha. Something I think we should address, probably right off of that, because there's people that listen to this really all over the world and definitely all over the US, and the viewpoint of Massachusetts from that side would be I think a lot of it is going to be like, oh, the whole state is Boston. So when you get people that are like, Okay, there's no way there's going to be bigfoot in Massachusetts. It's just you know, Boston and the Freedom Trail and Benway Park and all that, how do you respond to that.

7:51 I'd say, like you were saying earlier, it's quite diverse. Starting out in western mass on the New York side, the Appalachian Mountain Lanes goes right up to Massachusetts, so there's a lot of hills and mountainous regions out that way. But as you go across the state, elevation goes down more into rolling hills and farms all the way to you know, the East coast, where I'm not sure if you heard the Bridgewater Triangle, it's more Promolling Hills down basically to you know, the ocean Cape cod where it's more marshy and you know, very low elevation swamp that whole probably quarter chunk of the eastern part of the state.

8:38 So it's very very different from Western Mass where it's very wooded and very very hilly, pretty good terrain down to like Marshland and Cranberry Roads and basically right to the right to the coast, and there's been a lot of hiss. There's been a lot of action in the last two years down that way. It's southeast mast. Oh really, so you're talking about like down by the Bridgewater or Triangle. Yeah, yeah, it was actually down there last week some people filmed the good foot track they had in the snow. It's still being looked at, but I'm pretty convinced of what it is. It was seventeen inches five toes. It looks like it slipped so on the cast it looks like it was cast by spray. From the person that found it was totally new to it, didn't know what to do, and so they covered it and then spray.

9:38 They actually sprayed it with flex seil, which is black so he could really see the outline in the detail because it was tough to see in the snow. It was still pretty I want to say, two or three inches of snow, so you could see it, but you really couldn't really see the detailed until they kind of highlighted it with black and then spray foamed it. And but that was their first experience about it. They knew nothing about it. Someone contacted us, and uh, there's been other sightings in that general area over the last five or six years. It's actually a wild life management area that's probably a good ten miles away from the coast.

10:26 It's where it really starts going turning from swamp and boards into woods. It's still wooded, but mostly swampy. And these people are on two hundred acres of land of bogs and marsh. And so that was pretty Uh that was like right from last weeks. So that's as really fresh as it gets. And then there's last year there was a couple of good audio recordings taken out of the same area Rochester, Mass One is which I sent. I don't know if you might play later on, but yeah, it's pretty hot, pretty hot area, and it's had a long history going back to you know, as part as the earliest Native Americans in that area. In fact, the Hockey Mark Swamp, which is the swamp and the Triangle.

11:19 It actually means places where spirits dwell. It's an Indian word. But it's very interesting place, not just Bigfoot stuff. It has a lot of UFO activity orbs, very haunted because it's colonial while the Indian Wars, which is you know what a lot of people down that way think it's all from. Is Bigfoot's just a tip of the iceberg. But it's Uh, it's good to have friends down there. Like I'm an hour and a half away, so there's really I'm more north of Boston, where I'm more in a city, so to get to these areas where it's nice to get away, So I like getting the call to somewhere to go, reason to get down there. There's a lot of stuff down that way. It's not it's totally different as far as elevation. There's no mountains, no hills, but it's just very dense, especially when the foliage comes in, when the spring and summer come in, it's very sick and thorny, and a lot of areas that you can get into now, like in a few months, you won't even be able to get in. I mean you can get pretty close, but you really need to bushwhack your way in there. That's why I think when the when the weather is nice, as one picks up, as when people hair lot see stuff.

12:45 I think right now might be a good time. Because you sent that, uh that sound over, we could definitely play that. And I just want to first comet you sent the video of those footprint that footprint over, which is very interesting video. Was that that was a trackway as well or just a single track that was. A single track. There was other stuff on the ground and they're all on a straight line, but that one it was a pot the trail that went behind a tree where it was you know that the area was mostly no snow, but there was that one little patch. I don't know if you can see it in the video where she raises a camera. It's just all dirt and so it was the very last patch of snow next to the shade. You know. Only it just got lucky that that thing happened the past. Who could have been in a night where it didn't see the snow.

13:41 But you can actually see where it skidded a little in the hills, definitely elongated. You can see, actually you can see it looks like a mid tossel break or a ridge in the middle of it. But if the people on your show can see that, Yeah, I after I said that, I didn't even realize that it's a phone you're gonna be doing a phone interview. But if we were able to see that, that's where that was just last week, Like I said. Yeah, And I don't know, if I can get in touch with the person who who filmed the video, I might try to to get the okay to put it on the YouTube version of the interview. I'll have to do some work on that on the side, but I think that would be that would be kind of cool for people to see that.

14:34 But we can talk about that later. But I could message it today and perfect. You're right, I'd rather just get the okay and yeah, just be fine with it. Yeah, absolutely, the audio that you also sent, I'm gonna go ahead and play that now and then maybe if there's any commentary that you could provide after that, and then now we could we could focus on that for a bit, all right, So I'm gonna go ahead and queue that up here. All right, that's interesting it is.

15:35 Yeah, that's a great, great call. That was from last year. I was contacted. A gentleman was walking up through the night, probably three in the morning, and he could hear this thing going off. It woke him right out of bed and he just stuck his phone out the door and he just happened to catch the end of that. But he said it was going off for like a minute before he ran down and didn't know what the heck to do and figured it's gonna stop, you know, like what the heck is that? So he finally ran down and just held his phone out to do it. But he wasn't going outside for sure. And that that was in Rochester, mass That's just so that's in the bridge want a triangle towards the bottom of it. And they talked to his neighbors over the last couple next couple of days just to see if they heard anything. They said they never heard nothing, but they thought it was weird.

16:34 They found a dead deer in the couple of legs torn off it. One leg was like flung across the yard and not going or anything. That's what was strange about it. It was just killed. And you know, it wasn't taken to eat and so whatever did it, it wasn't a like a normal predator in the area if they were going to kill a deer to take it or eat it. It was like just still there with a coup legs messing. So that was strange. And like I said, that was about a quarter mile away from the where the guy recorded it, so that it from being watched to. And that's all from stud That's a pretty pretty desolate town.

17:19 Wow. You know, I I've done this for a few years and if you hadn't mentioned it, I was going to ask. I was going to I was like, man, I bet that deer had its its legs ripped off. Unfortunately, that is that is a thing that you hear more often than not in these reports that you get from all over the US. Yes, interestingly, that actually I sent it off from friends with Scott Nelson. He's a crypto linguist, and he was saying that it's something that should definitely not be in Massachusetts. Whatever it is, he goes, but it's definitely a primate that's definitely definitely interesting, he goes. I can't say what it was. I didn't see it. He goes, but that's something I would say, it shouldn't be problem around Massachusetts.

18:13 That was his assessment of it. Yeah, that's that's cool that you were able to have that connection with him, and uh, you know what a what a cool thing that he was able to give his thoughts on it. You were talking about going out into western mass earlier. So when when you your definition of western mass I know there's a few different Are you talking like, you know, the area where you've got like Granby and you're not to Springfield yet, or are you going past out to like Great Barrington and Bear Mountain and all that good stuff. October Mountain, Yeah, Granby. Granby is actually my good friend who started Squatsachusets. They meet up there and then head out. Yeah, it's October Mountain. There's a couple of towns around there with a lot long history of and he's actually had a sighting tools in Saboy State Park. Yeah, so it's out that way a lot. We've had some couple of BFI row expeditions out there where one of them there was a sighting six people, so and they got a couple of really good tracks out of their Savoy.

19:34 Now that area is is just really interesting. I've talked to an individual that had a really intense sighting in that area. I've talked to. A Native American spiritual leader that they were doing a ceremony around the Mount Washington area down in the corner and they had some activity during their ceremony where they had a sighting. It's just that whole western side of the state. But you know, you get a little closer to Springfield and then you've got actually right right next to Westfield, you've got the Cobble Mountain. You've got some over there, right Yeah.

20:17 Yeah, a lot of that area. In fact, there'll be a festival. It's year Carbo Mountain seven June Bigfoot Festival. Not to give a cheap plug, but it's funny to say Carbyle Mountain. Yeah, there's been a long history out there and inter Connecticut and to the left into New York. A lot of stuff on the New York side of that part of the state. The Kinderhook Creature, there's a couple of books. There's a lot of about that way. That's not far into New York. Vermont. We've had people from Vermont in the northwest corner of Mass seeing something.

20:59 It's pretty uh, like I said, it's a lot more mountainous than it is on the east side, and uh, it's nice to get out that way and see It's like it's two totally different environments. It really is. Yeah, I mean you people don't People don't get it unless you know, you go for a ride on Route Too through North Adams and you go over to New York. Then you're going to. Realize how crazy it is in Western mass. It is a whole different world up there, and it's just wild driving that road. It is. Yeah, there's a couple of hippen turns. Yeah do you remember that?

21:42 Oh dude, yeah, we just did that a few years ago. But oh, so are you involved with that? That festival at all? Down by a cobble mountain. I've heard a little bit about it. Actually, i'll be speaking. They asked me to speak. It should be a fun time. June seventh, I believe weekend that's at Russell's actually in Russell. Mass Okay, nice, nice, Yeah, I'll I'll get the info for that and make sure that the link is in the show notes. I want to definitely help. Is that a first year festival too?

22:22 It is yeah first, and it's a Carbble Mountain Critter Festival. I believe it's called. That's awesome and listeners. If you might remember a while back, I had a gentleman on named Ernie and he had the incident with the Bigfoot that was doing a form of sign language. That's the same area more or less. So that's that's for context as well. We were talking about Gramby earlier. I've had some interesting reach out. So I had a gentleman who has some pretty wild activity in the Granby area going on. I've tried to get him on the show, but we're going We're going back and forth a little bit. And then I had another individual that had a sighting over by the Quabbin Reservoir.

23:17 Have you ever experienced or heard anything going on in that area the Quabbin. We've investigated a few pases around that, and we had a woman saw a white one I want to say four years ago. A woman and a husband, both credible people, teachers. They were both school teachers, and I stood in where they saw it and we investigated it and they said it was like eight feet tall, but it was white. And there's been other incidents where my partner who runs squatsa Chusetts. He's pretty well connected in that area and he knows that few wardens they have sent them pictures in that but they don't talk about it. And then they kind of like warned the secrecy. They acknowledge it, but tongue in cheek, so they don't totally say, oh, yeah, they had, but they've sent them a couple of pictures with there was pretty interesting tracks in the dirt and then they wipe them out and I got not let's see here. And then there was one good case a few years ago where his friend, she was doing the rounds before get DAC at night. This is during the summer, so it was pretty you know, eight o'clock or so, and as she was escorting them out, she rode them to the gate and it was dark by then, and one of the people left their phone on the rock

24:48 where they were sitting by the reservoir, so she had them stay there and she's like, I'm going to have to go there and get it. So she goes to get it and she's looking in the area where they was sitting. She sees the phone and she's getting it. All of a sudden, the rock comes flying into the water, and so she was freaked out because she knew she'd just escorted everybody out of here and if there's someone in there, so she's shining a light around, couldn't see anything, and then his twigs snapping and just basically high tailed it back to her truck and back out. So she kind of and she called my friend that night and told them all about it. That pretty She was pretty wound up about it too, that I you know, I know they're there, so she's she got into it and asking all about you know what we use bar with therm some night, so she knows they're around the club, and said, both sides of it. Actually, you've had a lot of a lot of activity. In fact, the last experience I had was twenty nineteen was the tree snap I was talking about earlier. That was on the east side of the club, and that was just a few of us hanging out doing stuff. Nothing. Pretty quiet night actually, and just before we were leaving, I heard a rustle.

26:15 We will always say like it's a square wall or nothing. We just said like a twig snap. So I yelled hey, like almost like hey, and this thing just you could hear like the bending in it and it just snapped and hit the ground and that was pretty intense. That was pretty when you don't expect it, you know. We were, like I said, we were just sating out and hey, I think I startled whatever it was it was, but in my opinion, someone was watching us. We were there all night trying to draw out something. Nothing. But then we were leaving sure enough, man say thank you. That was thank you for the sign. That was like the end of it. Nothing came after that. We looked and looked nothing. We actually had a therm within a couple of minutes, like fight it up and right on it and there's nothing there at all. So again that just a mystery of you know, something was there, something did that, and then there's nothing. That's happened a couple of times over the years that something within as shot and ice shot and you get a thermb right on it and there's just nothing around. So it's either you know, hiding behind a tree, ducking behind something, or that's happened a few times.

27:47 That is just it's one of the weirdest things because you think about it with a thermal, I mean, not to show up on thermal that really takes something because I mean the heat. If it's something, it should show up right right. And they have been caught on thermal that's why is it Like, yeah, could have taken off like the now you're like, what happened was something? Something did that and that happened to was once in New Hampshire with that was with Alexander Pettikov. Yeah, and same thing and a few guys. Man, a snap tree comes down and there's nothing now very bizarre.

28:31 Extremely bizarre in case listeners are. I want to provide a little bit of context to the quab and real quick, so people need to realize how big it actually is. I think I read once that the length of it is about like eighteen twenty miles long. Like it is a just massive wildlife area and body of water. It's perfect for these guys to be around. Yeah, and it's it's protected too, so all around it on whatever town it's in, it's heavily heavily protected. Most places you can't get in once it's start out, absolutely because that's what live for the whole eastern part of the state. In Boston. I mean, like you can't even regulations when it's nice, like you can only use their boats.

29:24 You can't. You couldn't even bring your home kayaking and nothing in vase of a lot of studies going out there. But from what I understand, fishing wise, it's great for fishing. I don't self, but it's loaded with fishermen once it's once it's open. So since I have you on and you're the closest that I well, okay, so here's here's my goal. I've tried for years. My goal is one day to talk to someone that has knowledge about Bigfoot in the northern Franklin County area, which is like Northfield or Gill or Greenfield, Warwick.

30:10 All that good stuff. That's I'm kind of saying that right now in case listeners are out there listening to Massachusetts episode and be like, oh yeah I have that. Will reach out to me, guys, please big for Society gmail dot com. But you know, me saying those town names, is that jog anything in your memory like, oh yeah, I may have heard something from that area. Uh No, but I wouldn't doubt it just looking at it on the maps and you know, aerial views of it. It's heavily wooded, a lot of a lot of Steve Hills Ponds. I wouldn't doubt at all any of those towns. I have done a couple of hikes on Warwick, very very small towns too. A lot of those towns out there very low population, so there's not a lot of as it goes with things like if you were going away from Springfield, Well wester or Boston, like the big cities, once you get a half hour outside of those, it's very low populated towns. But I wouldn't doubt it all around Gil like those are heavily you said, you knowing from Northfield.

31:23 Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know. Yeah, that's like right now, very wooded. Yeah. I had no idea then when I was living there, how I was so close to the Marlborough Monkey sightings of southern New Hampshire. I was like, man, I used to drive up there all the time. I had no idea. I don't know if you've ever heard of that one. Not the stories, but the town Marlborough Now Hampshire. Yeah, dude, yeah, it's pretty crazy stuff. And like sightings on Mountain Adknock, I've had individuals reach out off record that they've had on the actual mountain hiking up there, which is very crazy to think about, because that's you know, it's the second most climb mountain in the world behind Mount Fuji from what I remember.

32:12 But yeah, got somewhere. It's very well used. Absolutely. Thinking of that, all the different things you've heard about this state, is there perhaps one that you've heard where you were like, man, it really happened there and it just kind of surprised you. There was one, not Mass, There was one recent, but it was just over the board I want to say, Maine, and it like I want to say, it just within the last couple of weeks. And it's right along the coast actually, so that was a surprise. And some of the ones down in southeast mass were very very close to the coast, and it makes I thought about it too, But the West coast, they're right on the on the coast also, so why wouldn't they like they don't need the heavy, heavy mountainous because like I said, it's very low elevation. But there's been stuff there that was a surprise too, like stuff where you wouldn't expect. Now it's going to be a mountain, it's going to be heavily wooded, but you know, even like other towns, a half hour from Boston. These other places are they're only an hour less than an hour away. That sound recording, you know, that was they're small towns when you get down to Rochester.

33:43 But when you think of it is you're not far from a big city, so you don't have to get fires fires. I don't know, just my opinion. They're closer than you think to the big cities. It's it's wild to think about. And you know, I've mentioned this and other episodes, but you know a lot of people are like, it's too close to the big it's not too close to the big cities, you know, and like the cities keep growing and so it keeps taking over habitat slowly. I don't think it's out of that. You know, it's not too crazy to say that it could be happening within like half an hour of these big cities for sure. Right And even if they're not living there, at least they're passing through the leaving signs that they passed through there on occasion, and I think that's why they stay on the move, so they're not they're not just staying in one spot. That's when I think it'll be easy to find them. But they'de stay for a few days, move on well overnight a couple overnights and leave and just leave little signs here and there. But when I first got into this, I'm like, oh, they're not in Massachusetts.

34:54 Then until you start learning about it and reading about it, and then in New York, and then they're getting closer, and then you realize them in every state. I started looking up every state. Maine has a long history, New Hampshire for more, all in New England. Actually all the indigenous tribes had names for it, just like they all west. It's uh, it was an eye opener and not they think they're in Massachusetts. And my friend that started Squatstachusetts that's how he got into it. He had a siding in Savoy. That's how we ended up started investigating Savoy.

35:38 He was a park ranger at the time and actually saw two a big one in a small one. So that was, uh, that was an eye opener. Also, he's uh went from you know, that's what it is with this thing. A lot of people go from normal leaders, you know, hardcore skeptics to till something, till you see something, someone you knows sees something. The main report are you referring to the one that was just released by the bfr O with the footprints on it. The main one. Yeah, yes, yeah, that was I want to say last week or two weeks ago.

36:20 Yeah, very very recent. That was one of my buddies out here in Iowa, Ontario, Richardson, she did the work on that, and that was I was surprised when I read that one. It was it was wild. Yeah, because I think it was even in the post, and it's it's only half hour forty minutes from Boston. That's not far and that's not far from the coast. So yeah, it just adds to the fact that you really don't need to be far away and up in the mountains and out in the wilderness. That's pretty common area. Dave, I've got just a few more questions where I just want to say thank you for you spending some of your time with us this afternoon. But you know, since you've you've been able to see so many reports from Massachusetts over the years, have you noticed that there seems to be a leaning towards what the witness saw looked more humanoid or more ape like.

37:31 I think mostly man look more like a man a person. I've had a few people tell me that I did a good case on the BFI road database and database and handsome mass and he said, just look like a big man running down the hill onto the road. Never really had anyone tell me a monkey or rape or just a big, big hearing oh man. One one person until he looked like a man in a gilly suit, like a hunted coming on the woods. Well, no, no monkeys are rage.

38:12 That's that's extremely interesting. That's that kind of lines up with what I've gotten as well. I would say the one offshoot of that is I had one individual it was south Kowabbin as he was driving across and what he saw looked like a big orangutan, which I thought was really unique for for that sake, because I think most of the people I've heard from are you know that the big kind of human or big man you know covered. And maybe because of the color and the orangutan. Yeah, yeah, honest, was it that the color.

38:53 Exactly? Yeah? Yep, that that is Uh that probably would explain it. Uh as well. You know, the last thing. That I will ask you, Dave, is just just curious if if someone was gonna go out and try to maybe check out an area to try to have some sort of big foot interaction. Do you have any advice as what might be the best way for them to do that? Well, my do you want it? In the last couple of years has changed as far as go out and listen and just be quiet, become part of the woods.

39:35 Earlier on we used to, you know, get out a lot of gear and all this and that. We really don't take a lot out now and now we listen, we get out of the cap, everyone's like slamming the doors and putting that stuff on him talking a lot of times absolutely heard stuff. So there's been a couple of times last year we get out of the car nice and quiet, and you might that one knock and it's just my opinion that it's a heads up to a lot of people think they lead someone at the end. Three points to these recreation areas where it's just a one knock, almost like the humans are here, And yeah, I don't not as not as much and howl and banging on trees and trying to trap them or sneak up on them, because I don't think that's ever going to happen. They know you're there when you get there.

40:33 They're highly intelligent beyond like I said, they're never gonna sneak up on one. I think they'd be better pictures or a better film if they were there, you know, catch them off God. And I think to a lot of the sightings of this is just my opinion also, but I think a lot of them are intentional that it's not an accident. You know, they want to be seen. They say, if you see one, you're almost blessed or you're very fortunate. But I would just say, like, get out nice and quiet for yourself, don't go rapping on trees.

41:14 You know, maybe a return mark if you did hear one, but I would I don't initiate that stuff now. I just go out and listen and try to become part of the woods. And uh because anywhere anything else out there is going to know you're around animals. Stay here from a mile away, bear is gonna smile from a mile away. So I think your best betters, go out and be yourself, keep your eyes open, but go you go, you got And I don't think they have bad intent either. I think they're just curious and I want to make check over your up to make sure you're not bad for that for them just opinions.

42:03 I think that's great advice. Though I'm pretty close to to how you're you're saying it as well. You know, it's just it's kind of just kind of be out there. But you know, Dave, it has been is a great conversation with you. Thank you for sharing your your years of knowledge about bigfoot in the state of Massachusetts. Is there any anything here at the end that if people wanted to contact you about you know, uh, Squatchachusetts or Massachusetts bigfoot? Is is there a way that's best for them to do that? I think just on Facebook either front me or you can squatcha Chusetts on Facebook. We're out there, we take people out. Anyone can come out. But that's really it.

42:55 I don't have a website, I don't have any of that. Pretty low key, just do my own thing now, but I do stuff with other people. We go out, we do doing a few conferences coming up this year, the Paste has been asked to speak. If you if you can understand the Boston dialect. I think I think it will be good. It's awesome. So you'll be at Cabble Mountain and then what other festivals or conferences. Are you doing. Carbo Mountains June seventh? June twenty one and twenty two, it'll be the Tramming Fair Farm in Candy and New Hampshire.

43:44 July twenty sixth I'll be doing the Paranormal Tooth Seekers ex BO that's a national New Hampshire and September sixth and seventh the Greater in New England UFO conference that's on lemmonst mask Well. Very nice. So there's a few ways you can meet Dave if you'd like to this coming year, so check those out. But Dave mccallough, thanks so much for coming on the show today. It's been a pleasure. Thank you, Thank you for having me. It was great. It's a great chat with you and I really appreciate having me on. Just want to take a few minutes to say thank you to you all my listeners for listening to the podcast.

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