Years of Bigfoot Interaction in Estacada, Oregon!

0:00 Our big for society. We've got the privilege of talking to Lisa today. Lisa's an individual that left a comment or two on a video back in the day on the channel, and so I reached out to her through must have been an episode or maybe a comment back to her and said, hey, you know, I want to know more. And so she's been emailing me back and forth. She's been sending some really interesting thermal videos, just some there's a lot for us to talk about. So Lisa, I'm so glad that you're able to come on the show. You've been on a call in show for a little bit, but I was like, man, we got to get a whole show so Lisa can share her full story. And Lisa, I'm really glad you're here today.

0:44 Thanks Jeremiah. I was really I was so excited and nervous from when I called. You in and called in and yeah, be in line like that. But I'm fifty six years old. I was born and raised down in the Bay Area, and I was in Fanta Bay and I had my first experience in I think seventy six or seventy seven, and I went camping with my friend Linnette and her brother and sister, mother, father, and aunt and uncle, and.

1:28 I always remembered the drive and. Being told I think he mentioned her uncle who went in their car and followed her parents, and he mentioned Donner Path. I think he was trying to, you know, freak us out a little bit. But I never remember spending the night and talking to Lynnette over, you know, especially since when on May eleventh of twenty twenty one, I was basically not as visually but everything else, reacquainted with the fact that these beings are real, and so, you know, after that, really dealing into that, I remember going camping with Linette and I brought it up, and.

2:31 She didn't remember me going. She remembers, like she mentioned her uncle spinning her around, holding her hands and spinning around in circles, and she was afraid he was going to toss her off the cliff. And you know, over over a period of time, I eventually remembered that. You know, I remember standing there and watching it. She's screaming, and I think to myself, why is she what she screaming about? You know, her feet are barely going over the edge, and and so, you. Know, eventually we worked it out that, you know, I couldn't remember spending the night, but she couldn't remember me even billing. So it was like.

3:29 Some wrong with this picture, you know, And so I really, you know, I was seeking the truth what happened, and I started I remembered the tent, and she asked me to describe it, and I told her it was really big and square, and you know, I did a really good bang up job describing it. And eventually I told her I remember. Laying in a sleeping bag facing each other, her bag, me and mine, and she said, and we're on a video chat, so this makes it even even better because I'm looking at her and she says, I seem to remember you going holding your finger up and pointing over my left shoulder. And then she came out in front of me on the phone and walked her fingers like in the Yellow Pages, and yeap, that shot me back.

4:40 I felt just like I must have phoned that night hearing something out. There, and when I told you about it on that live call in I I was so in her hurry and wanting to get everything out there that I didn't tell you that, you know, we were we went through and I mean, she still didn't remember me being there. She knows that it happened. She has no doubt in her mind, and a really ubsess her that she can't remember one or thing. But we went running back, you know, she said, she said, run after some things were getting fron and I saw the direction, but my back was up against a big boulder, and.

5:34 They were being frown from behind. The boulder to the right diagonally. And she's up on a stack of logs being logged, and she sees, she sees where it came from. She had to have because she said, and I had had start, of course, because I was already on the ground. And like we talked about this like five different times over a period, I don't know, three months, and so I I'm thinking about it the whole time. You know that I'm not talking to her, because you know, either we run from it or.

6:15 We obsess on it. And I'm the obsessor, and. I'm like, I seem to remember some mention of a monkey and of her mother going back and we ran. She asked, well, were you ahead of me or was I ahead of you? I said I was ahead of you because you were up on the logs. And we get back and her. She says, did Uncle Jay or Chris Scance with a monkey suit or a monkey mask. And her mother's like, no, you know, like, oh my god, I remember her face just.

7:03 Like I'm sure, I'm busy. No, no, you know, and so that is I didn't see it. I didn't see. It and get the door slammed on my memory. I just ran and I heard those steps. I heard it, you know, walking around the tent. And so she. Still doesn't remember, but you know, there's there's a ghostly event with a cat that I had that we took from Santasey. We moved up to Pendleton for not even a year and ended up going back to the same house.

7:50 But I got a kidney infection and this was like eighty let's feel freshman, So it was like eighty shoe eighty three and I told her. I came out and I'm worried about you know, where's Tippy. Where's Tippy? And my mom says she's got there on the couch. So I go over and I give her love and I'm happy she's okay. I had no idea why, and I told my mother, don't let Tippy out, and she said she wouldn't. And I went back to sleep, and you know how cats are, they're persistent and drove my mother nuts and so she let her out and she.

8:42 Got hit and killed by a car. And so we ended. Up That was before the winter, and we ended up moving back about six months later. And my friend Lynette was over and we come from the kitchen or probably the game room the garage, and we're going down the hall in my bedroom for some reason. And we get down there and Lynette's first and she sees Chippy sitting there at the corner. Of my pane's door and my door. And I had to have seen it too and seen her too, because I ran rick be split and I told n I said, you know, see I don't remember. I believe it, but I don't remember.

9:37 And you are she's got the ability to uh pick up an item and describe it that, you know, uh the connections the people. And yeah, she's had a he's been spoken to by by spirits, you know, by particularly a woman that she believes was was accidentally at least accidentally died at the hands of her man. And she's almost certain that the woman was like I've heard so many, so many people's experiences where.

10:37 The man goes and you know. The big Harry Forrest guy comes in and you know, comes around while the man's gone, and she tells the man probably all on over and he's a truck driver and he drinks and he gets flustered, and you know, he probably couldn't take it anymore. And I mean, this woman was accidentally accidentally killed, and I mean, so she's got she's got that connection, I said. And I'm like, I'm nature, I'm the birds.

11:22 I'm basically a cross between grist, the Adams and snow White without a dress. Animals. It's insane the way that animals are with me. And so it it makes sense that hey, I. Am I remember that, you know, but you blocked it out. And hey you remember seeing Tippy. I know I did, but I don't remember. And so so then we'll go to. May a lot of of twenty twenty one. In twenty seventeen, I had been introduced to going out and collecting mushrooms edible, not loucinogenic.

12:16 And I'm a picture person. I love I love nature, I love beauty, and I had an. Eye for photography. And so I saw this great calendar picture of this log of a big tree, big tree, you know, probably bigger around or maybe as bigger around as what you can make a circle with your arms, and it's going straight in to the forest, framed, you know, a bit rounded and broken up of the opening, and it's just beautiful.

12:58 So I take a picture and I go in and I'm like in awe and filled with them. I don't know if there's apprehension. I was very anxious because my conscience may not have been being out. Loud about it. But the downside, I knew that. These trees had been pulled out of the ground and shoved back in top side down, and so I wanted to get these pictures again. I lost the phone, like everybody goes through phones, and so I wanted to reclaim those pictures. And I went up like three or four times.

13:51 I started out about mid April, and too much snow can nearly get up there. And then the time before I made it, I walked up a little bit and it's you, no, I got this video and it's quite long because I, like, you know, I document it, document pretty much everything I can, and then you know, decide if it's capable whatnot. And so I'm walking down the road and I'm grumbling and and like I'm home, my camera and my phone out in front of me, filming, and I uh end up and I find this, like nine months later.

14:44 I find what it is. You know, I'm unmistakable, without a doubt. It is all one color. It's not the gentleman that I did film later in the room mirror. Big for a Society will be right back. After these messages, he was walking up towards me and I'm like, I'm going way, don't come.

15:28 Up here, you know, grumbling and a cem and you know, the first subject, the one all down, was further down and in front of me. And but and I'm sorry, if that dude had been down there were that being was, I'd have been able to tell he was wearing different colors, and they. Certainly weren't all dark. And so I'm like, wow. I mean, I just catch all this fat that's crazy. But Lisa could then, sorry, could you share where the kind of region that that happened, and just so the listeners can picture, like where it is that you're.

16:15 So many people talk about it. It is Wildcat Mountain Road in Estacada. Okay, thank you, yeah mm hmm. So then I go back May eleventh, and I can make it and it's like, oh my gosh. So, I mean, I I get in there, and I I'm disappointed. I'm it's hard for me to recognize it because I mean, gosh, it's only been four years of wear and tear.

16:59 Must have been a little lot of big seat going up and down that log. Because when I when I took the first picture of it, I wish. I had that drown picture. The log was it was a big tree was clearly. Sticking up off the ground and you know, so it had the rounded edges and it just looked like, you know, somebody started cutting it to cut boards off of it, and just now it's like now there's hardly any tree that you can see. It's it's really soft and mushy.

17:39 And but I get in there and. I can. I can feel like I feel like I'm gonna have a heart attack because. I mean my breathing, you know, I. In my head, I I am more concerned about man than I am animal. And then you have bear spray in the van. But I'm just like, you know, I'm upset because I can't find you know. That the marm tree that I had taken a picture of what looked like a marm tree saying no, no, no to a little one holding his arms out looking like it's pleading. And that was two of the three trees that had.

18:37 Their roots sticking up like their limbs there should have been. And then the bigger one, it didn't have any moss on it in seventeen, but it is covered in moss now. And so I felt. Like, you know, I was going to spontaneously conbust. I ended up. I'm looking in that picture, looking back in the dark. You know, I'm looking for dark stuff. I didn't even think to look closer to me when I finally noticed, like, wow, here's these two red, these two shiny you know, there's red that there isn't anywhere else. And my little admirer that I call him, was back up against the tree and looking over his right shoulder, got looks like he's got green lives. And then his big sibling was in a tree probably about maybe twenty feet to his right and back a little bit and mbout forty feet from me, and the little one was about thirty feet from me, and the big one he's shown some about the edge

20:08 of his shoulder down to his elbow, and I later found a footprint with my son there at that tree, facing the tree, so she wasn't peaking. I didn't catch him peaking. He was just standing there thinking, thinking he couldn't be seen. But so then. Sorry, Lisa, real quick that what you saw was that through a thermal or did you see that in like you saw that face to face, like you were looking at the creatures. No, I was standing there feeling them, okay, And I saw them in my in my pictures.

20:53 Got it, okay, thank you. I took a picture, yep, and I have that on my phone. Yeah. One time I was going up there, I was really upset, and I would, you know, once I realized they were. There, I would go up there and talk to him, you know. And so when I go up there one time and I'm venting to them or I want to vent to him. I'm really bad. To day, I pulled over to let somebody around me because I don't like people. Riding in my trunk, and behind them was an officer and I don't have a yeah, I didn't have a back plate at the time, you know that, or I wash my tags were no good.

21:39 But he pulled me over and you know, I was real honest with him. Why I know, you know, when I was doing it. In a long story short, I ended up showing him my phone and. Him wanting to know if he could touch it. I said, well, the picture won't blow up because it's on you know, it's the screen on my phone. And she says to me, me and the red you know these guys are red. Me and my wife just bought a house on Wildcat Mountain Road, and I think we have one living on our property. This yeah, it was Clakmus County Sheriff. And I mean, you know, before I got into that, he says he, I said, I just need to go up and you know, be with nature, and you know, YadA YadA.

22:44 And he says, you aren't gonna Stephen night, are you? And later I, you know, just the same minute later, I realized why he was concerned about that. A lot of stuff has happened on Wildcat when I first moved up here in eighty six, and my boyfriend ended up later being my husband and now x uh, he said, you know, people were our bodies have been found up on Wildcat. Real quick, I had a gentleman who called in from let me pull up a map real quick. It's it's south of down in Colton. He called from Colton and he was talking about Estacada and saying that there's a lot of missing people in that area. Usually, Yeah, okay, so you can I can verify that.

23:45 Yeah, yeah, I mean there are a lot of people that go missing everywhere. It's just that, you know, unless your local, it's hard to find out because. You know, they used to they used to tell you how people died in the papers, and at least in their obituaries. They don't tell you. They don't. They leave all that out, and they do a lot of wine about what was the cause of death when they do find the bodies. When when I was okay, my mom was born in forty three. She was born and raised in Michigan.

24:36 And I think it had to have been the only reason she would have told me something like this was if I was going to be going out into the woods when she was a little girl. And I found it, I was like, I found it. I looked up between what she was born forty three. So forty nine to fifty two or something. She said that a little a little boy or girl was drug off into the woods by a bear, and the mother followed.

25:17 After it, beating it with a brain, chasing it, and the bear wouldn't let go, and the child died and I found that particle they described They described the bear as holding it under its arm like a football and running away. That's oh no, yeah, yeah, that's. To do right, Oh my? May you know the people that the.

25:59 People that you know when when something scares you and your psyche just you know, isn't cracked up to accept it, You're gonna do everything you can, anything possible to avoid it. That's why you know Lynnette and I remain friends. That doesn't happen very often. You know, she wasn't she wasn't fully closed off to I mean it probably helps that we were like, you know, seven eight years old. But you know, Steve Isdall, I remember listening to him comment on you know, some guy or woman whatever sharing and experience that they had with several friends.

26:48 And you know, lost a friend. There's the guy that he still has a brother in law, but they had an experience. Together and now he really doesn't have the brother in law. I mean, you know, if it's something you can't accept. Then you're not going to have anything to do with anybody who's tied to it, and it's really sad. But but anyway, so that was and that was May eleven. Then I I think I. Must have ordered my floor, my my thermal after that, you know, for big hairy people walking around on t feet and four legged harry, because I wanted to go camping with my son and I wanted that that oh safety net, I guess, and.

27:59 Uh, let's see, it was. A July, was okay. Then in July, I'm July fourth. I had found a bunny, a cottontail, a baby cottontail here in the road and it looked like a little brown, little brown ball, and I was like, oh my gosh, I caught it. I got food for it. I ended up feeding it with a long thing, a plastic.

28:40 A plastic dropper. And I'd read somewhere where they said that trying to do this isn't for the faint of heart. And on the seventh I went to feed. It and she wouldn't eat, and I knew what I knew what had happened that you know, I looked at the dropper and there were a couple of scrapes. On it, and she ingested just the smallest amount of plastic and it was going to kill her. And I took I got two videos. One of them is up there talking about it that I just put up, and it says, uh, all right, yeah, it says, this is why I had my.

29:34 Uh sighting eyeballs. I saw it. I cried. It was it was just terrible. I I I've come to you know, not let anything die by itself if I can help it. And I knew that. They screamed, and. I was like, oh, I can't do it if if this thing screams, I'm so I kissed it, said sorry, and I put it in the cage and I. Went up Wildcat and I got up there and I'm you know, talking out the window to them big.

30:19 For society, who will be right back after these messages. You know, if I see a help. The first time I saw a helicopter, I warned them. You know, they're looking, they're looking for you. They can see you, they hunt you, you know, telling them, you know, I wish I could live out there with you. And you know, if I have to come back down here again and do another life, I'd rather be a big, hairy forest person than you know, then a little hairless one and told him about the.

31:09 Bunny and ended up when I didn't want to drive home at night. I usually did that, but being upset like I was, I didn't want to, and so I told. Him, you know, I don't want to go because I know as soon as I leave, I'm gonna start thinking about the bunny and I'm gonna start crying. And I'm like, no, I'm gonna go. You guys have a good night down the creek. Start up my van and start driving off in first gear because I like to look everywhere and just go really slow.

31:52 I didn't get a hundred feet and the tears started freaking rolling down my face, and so I put on my sunglasses so anybody coming up wouldn't take a look at me and wonder what the heck my problem was. And I get down to. It's the first creek if you actually look at it on Google Maps, and I believe it's Believe it in Trout Creek. Yeah, there's Cedar Creek and Alder Creek up there too, but I believe it's Trout Creek, and.

32:34 It's a coming down. It is a long turn to the left, and. I get just to where. I can see there's a forest, there's a logging road, a blue gate on the right, and analyzing it and thinking back on it so many times, I know that this being was standing there waiting for me, because they weren't, you know, they weren't in mid step. You know, they were not taking steps. They were standing still. And then stepped from there, and they took three steps up a small end clime, and then they were gone. And I thought to myself, where are the other two lives? And then I laughed out.

33:37 Loud because they had to have been holding. A bushy shrub in front of them so that I would only see them my phone from about mid torso down, because they wanted me to stop crying, and I immediately did. As soon as I saw that, I immediately stopped crying, and you know, laughed because that would have been a funny looking deer the way it was walking. And you know, I grew up watching old movies with my mother, and I love all. The Peter Sellers Pink Panther movies, and the one with David Niven and Robert Wagner.

34:25 Was it a I saw in the arket's Oh gosh, well, there's a. Mass grade ball or party and there's a couple of people in a gorilla suit, and then there's two people in a horse suit. And that's why, that's why I pictured was the way that their legs. Were begging going up this hill, and and I thought, boy, where are they wearing car hearts? Uh? You know, everything's all the same color. And I just I laughed, and I felt I felt like they cared, you know, I mean to stop, to stop those tears from my heart breaking over that little bunny. And then it was like, well, they understood me. They clearly understood me.

35:33 You know that picture that is on my YouTube of those eyes, that's out of a twenty six minute video that after I had seen things and it had been catching things, I started going back and watching other stuff and doing some frame by frame and looking at stuff. And by that day I was complaining about my daughter impaleling me, breaking my heart and hmm, I hear what sounds like a plastic bag or tarp and I get out and I'm talking about it, and and I'm like, well.

36:18 I hear it out there. I start talking like I'm talking to them. I'm you know, are you? I said, well, I said, what was it? Or was that you, you know, I'm. Feeling and then this droop and I can't see it unless I go frame by frame, and it's really frustrating because I lost that ability on they axed it off of the Microsoft, so I'm I'm screwed on that. But uh, it comes just a little bitty bubble comes flying out into. The gravel, you know, road, and I'm just like, wow, on cue, we'll see. And so then after after that July uh hm hmm, see it started coming it. That was July seventh, August tenth. Something happened, but I don't know.

37:27 I think it was it had been uh okay. It was, you know, it was. It was after that that I knew I had seen it. I had seen one with my own eyes, and I knew for sure that what I saw in the pictures were real because there was that was probably the I think it was the blame that was hiding behind the back of the further factory in that picture. But I want to go and go walk down this one blue gate logging road to look for mushrooms during the day, but I'm too scared too. I'm too worried, and I'm like, oh wait a minute, I have that thermal in every chord during the day or get stepped during the day too.

38:26 So I and this video is like four minutes, just under five minutes, and I'm panning around and looking, still getting used to the thermal, and I end up finally walking around the gate and I think I stepped about fourteen steps based on how the candle was. Kind of moving before. I see a heat signature and I stop and it's my little admirer. I just knew it in the back of my head. I know it, and it's running. It's kind of hilly in there.

39:09 I go back and I show the area and regular video. It's open in there and hilly, and he's running over and wants to hide behind a tree. Thinks I'm going to go walking down that road, and I'm stopping and watching and he gets behind this tree and he looks and he realizes that I'm looking at him and seeing him, and he goes into what. You know, the Native Americans have so many different you know, the different native plans that you know Cherokee, and the different types have different names. And I heard one where they refer to them, refer to them.

39:52 As like the man who leaves when he runs you know, goes into it, almost like falling flat on his face in a run, you know, taken off. So he does that really quick, and that scared me, and I turned and I start running back to the land. And then I get down there, and when I strolled back hooking, I'm like, all right, where'd you go. I didn't even think about it till much later that I said little, because. I mean, I knew it was And. They turned out to be probably about four feet tall, and I was like, oh my gosh.

40:39 And I ended up getting big big boy is in. It too, across on the other side in the trees. And then I think I see my little admirer stuck up against a tree, trying to blend in and wait, staying still because. I can there's a bit more of a heath signature there. And then and I only catch the stony frame by frame, probably big brother or sister. I think there's only three of them. There could be a female and maybe shoes.

41:20 I just haven't seen her or couldn't tell her it was her. But somebody is pushing on a snag and it just goes. It's going back and forth a little bit like they're trying to distract me, and I ended up turning and. Running back to the van. It was it looked like I would have seen it, but I didn't. I was just like i'd I'd had enough my nerves and let's see. So then then, you know, I've heard so many people talk about them knowing, you know, they know you're going to go out there before you get there type stuff.

42:15 And I had made an appointment at my mechanics right down the street I live and Boring, and I made it a month out for August tenth. And I get down there. He's going to be working on it a long time. I can't remember what he was doing. But I bring my chair and I bring drinks and I'm set up to go sit around on the side of the building in the shade and wait. And I'm sitting there and not long. I didn't send me any pictures, but I've got pictures where.

42:58 I notice footprints in the tan bark where it had patches rained, and it was you know, they weren't missed down and they were pretty on big. I mean, it looked probably about close to twenty inches like the prints that that I sent your picture of video. And they're going back. I follow them, and they're going back quite a side between them, and he sits down and I see, I see.

43:39 Where the butt was, if you know, the tan. Bark team up in a little bit of a and a little bit of a point and a long cracks. And then there was. Two pieces of the roots from blackberries, the windy curly stuff where craft stores will sell it. They'll sell that dried stuff. And there were two of them. Laying there right in front of the butt prints, and I'm like, wow, you know, did they know I was going to be here? I mean, clearly it.

44:33 Looked like somebody sat and waited for a while. I mean I couldn't see any other prints besides the big ones, and then like, no, I don't know. A couple of weeks later, I was staying. I was sleeping out of the motor home and there's a walkway that you know out in the grass. I take it's not it's a footpath, it's there's bricks out there. But you know, I go off to the left and unless. You're gonna go over the bridge, unless you're nobody's going to be walking there, and somebody would have stepped on it.

45:19 Big, So society will be right back after these messages, there was. Laid right there one of those little wiggly twigs from the blackberries, and I'm like, all right, but. What is this? I mean, there's none of this around here. There's no reason for it to be here. Just like down at the my mechanics, there wasn't any of that stuff around to be having two little figs sitting right out in front of a big bootprint. O.

46:12 You said, yeah, yeah, and like that was that's in August or twenty one. Then then uh, you know, probably in the next two or three weeks. A couple of times I'm hearing some stuff out in the garage, and you know, I know what things sound like. I know what we have around here. The only thing that I've ever seen going up and down the little uh, the little seasonal trick that goes through that property is raccoons. And never never have.

46:52 I known a raccoon to go into the into the garage. Birds, and just recently a kitten. But you know, hanging what those things sound like, and. You know they so many people have said, you know, when they know that, you know, then you know your fun to interact with, you know. I mean, I I've just been amazed at you know, like last night, last night, I'm hearing.

47:36 So, you know, we've got Alan's around here, and sometimes sometimes I really wonder because they don't all get together and sing all crazy, you know, a bunch of them competing with each other. But there was it was going to her room and and. Then there was a really weird sound, just a different tone, and so I decided to record, and right before I did, there was a. They just keet and I'm like okay, and I hit record and it all stopped. It had been going on for you know, stuff had been going on for like, I don't know, five minutes, and then it all stopped, and let's seem okay. The fires in.

48:42 What was it, twenty two, yeah, twenty two in the summer twenty two. I wanted to go up there and go up Wildcat and be near them and get away from the smoke. And I'm driving up and off from the left hand side. Of the road there's bushes, blackberries, rhododendrons. You know, it's bush, it's trees, it's forest. And I catched something in my lights and it's a twig. That I don't know, looks like it was about eight ten inches long, come flying up out of the bushes and it hits me in the wheelwall on my driver's side.

49:38 What that was all about? Well, I actually do Dodge Park. He looked that up. It's mm hmm, well it's close by Dodge Park. I've had I found footprints there and he looked at the pitch sures that I sent you in the. Sand, the little one that I put my hand my thumb in hand out to measure next to. Something happened there right right as the last big stage so hit you know, the.

50:27 The see the big sea word, you know, and Dodge Park used to let people camp. But then right before this all happened, something happened down there, and I heard it. I was told by someone at a store who has a. Fund down there. That you know, there were shots fired and and but the people that live down in that area they do damage control, you know, they were spoken to.

51:11 There were a camp host, a husband. And a wife who had dogs and lots of dogs, and he had. A heart attack and he died down there. But it wasn't just a fluke. I mean I heard from the lady at the market that I used to go to told me about it. But then when I spoke to a gentleman that I would always see, he'd come through and pick up cans and bottles, and he had this really. Big, huge white dog and I mentioned it. To him and he said, oh no, no, he had a heart attack. And you know, back tell I could tell he was.

52:00 He wasn't being truthful with me. But what happened was, I do believe that he saw something. They got dumpsters, They got big blue, black lid dumpsters down there for people to put their trash in. And I think, you know. I know where his He could see that one dumpster on the way out, he could see two different dumpsters from where his home was. He probably saw something and took a shot. I was worried that he had killed it, he had killed a baby, but even I think I think he didn't, and he got the crap scared out of him, and it literally gave him a heart attack because you know, he shot at it. It were shots fired, and I mean, I think, you know, at first, I thought he had killed a baby, and that really bothered me. And that's when I decided to carve.

53:11 They got clay down there in that river, and if you're careful, you can carve it. And put it someplace and let it, you. Know, stash it in the river somewhere and let it continue to harden and become a rock. And so I carved You'll see it on my YouTube. There's a picture of me holding a heart and it says love on it. And on the backside, I carved a big foot and a whole foot, and I put it down there. I sat there and I in the river and I carved it. And this is like down there at Dodge Park. It's a confluence the sandy Bull Run comes into the sandy, and that's why I prefer to be.

53:59 On bull Run because the water is clear. The sandy is cloudy and sandy. And then so I'm sitting there and I think. I was watched, you know, I talk out loud. To him if nobody's around, and I made that and I left it. I hid it. In the river and wanted the MoMA to have it. The mother of the baby, I thought died. And I come back the next morning before I'm like the first person in the gates they open at seven, and I go down there and it's gone, and I'm like, okay, well.

54:45 Did she get it? Did you guys, get in. Did you like it? You know, I hope you liked it. And I come back again the next day because you know, it's hot and I can't stand being at home. And I took a video and when I found right where I had been sitting and carving that, and it was a bunch of a bunch of fish, a bunch of eating on dead steel heads. And I think your show, I think I think I was listening to somebody was.

55:29 Well, maybe it was Steez, I don't know. Somebody mentioned how David eat bushy really icky dead fish. And when I saw that there, I was like, okay, that's a sign they that was a sign for me. Then there was I mean, this is this is a bit neu right here. This is pan seam light or or whatever you want to call it. When I knew that they were a wildcat and I.

56:10 Wanted to bring them apples, I wanted to keep bringing them stuff, but I didn't want. It to just all go to the deer, and I would I'm telling them, you know, you know, I don't care if the deer has some I just want to make sure that you're going to be here, you know, And and I'm going to give them to you too. Is there any way you can let me know, just just for me to know that you will still be here. And I'm sitting in the dark on Wildcat at this one other place. It's a really big pool off where people have dumped.

56:54 I'm dumped a trailer and people sometimes camp there and it's. Got the burr, got big burn. And that's where I got the little Admirer on video. And I look over and it's dark, it is black out, and I see a looks like a star going it's between these two trees and it's going up and down and like it's following a big paper clip, just molling up and down. And I took a video because I was trying to get it, and I didn't mention it in this one, and I accidentally must have deleted the one where I spoke about it.

57:41 But I'm freaking out. I'm like, I listened to it the other night and I was like, wow, that that really freaked me out, that, you know, And I was flustered because I didn't I couldn't record it. My camera was able to see it. And it's like, well, I just got down town them, you know, you know, give me a sign that only you know, that only I don't know, and. See sure enough, I couldn't get it, but I got my reaction, and it's like that's genuine right there. I won't see uh so the uh. My oh.

58:25 And I mean I've had you know, there's been sightings. If you mentioned that bigfoot uh map, there's some place where. You can look on. A map and there's and there's these little green bigfoot that mark sightings. There has been sightings in Boring, absolutely. And I had I go a back road down here three seventy second or something, and they passes over the spring Water trail and it goes up and runs into Palm Lad And I'm going.

59:10 Past this guy's house all the right that has a bunch of hunting dogs. He's got bears neither. Hounds that sound like beagles, and he's got a tall fence and there's a bunch of arborieties running along the roadside. And I had something. I had something thrown at me from you know, somebody must have been laying down on the ground and threw something out and hit my Vand I didn't want to know or anything. Let's see. Uh yeah, I'm I mean I'm so glad that I document stuff accidentally.

1:00:04 Even where I take my son down to is by Eagle Fern Park. It's right on actually north Fork Eagle Creek that dumps into Eagle Creek and it's a free park. Is free will pull off there and across the road is a walking. Path that goes up on top of abute bigs. A society will be right back after these messages.

1:00:58 And circles around and comes back down. And there was absolutely nothing up there. I met a woman that my aske you know, i'd seen her walking and he was still down there when she came back down. And after you know she did, were you know, hurt, any weird noises or anything strange up there? Me? Yeah, she's had rockstone at her And the same spot I took my son there is the next day after I had I wanted to give them stuff, but I knew that there was a cat around that I was feeding cat food too to keep it from climbing after the stuff that I was leaving for the big hairy forest people. And I pulled.

1:01:53 This one, well, a bit of a sucker off of the whole dead tree, poled it down, put it under my arm started cutting twigs to impale. There were hot dogs and maybe there were a litt little sausages that I was bringing them, and it slipped off from underneath my arm and I had reached back up and bring it down, work on again, slipped up, lost it, grabbed it again, finally got it done, and I tell you into the video. Of it and showed you know, I got here's this. And then I put over to the light. I broke the little chocolate wax donuts and half and put them all over in.

1:02:41 The tree or both right there with it. And then the next morning I came back with my son and the headlights hid it and I'm like, Josh, look at. This and go out and I inspected and oh my lord. It was nicely woven and held. There was another little uh sucker coming out of the ground from something else that they freaking attached it to and wove it to so that I could just easily put that stuff on their hands free.

1:03:26 And it sent a bit of a. I had a smile on my face, but it sent a sugar for me because I was like, wow, I'm looking over It's like somebody was sitting up on that hill watching me. Oh, lord. Yet, you know, and I found uh found a place where you know, I called it a bigfoot picnic area because there were a bunch of deer bones, bare white deer bones like wown. Yeah, somebody somebody sat here and had a meal. I've got I've got a somewhere on there on my on my channel is.

1:04:27 A minute forty eight seconds. It says that it's a minute and forty eight seconds into it where it's probably about twelve o'clock. At night, and I have my thermal in my. Rolled up in my passenger window. I'm facing the creek and my thermal fafing back towards the road. And I didn't look through it really good to see how my view was, because it's kind of skewed. It's not it's to the tilted to the right. And here comes a big hairy person walking down the side of the road, and you can tell, you can see when they see me, and they start pausing, and they like they'll duck down, and then.

1:05:18 They end up down in a bit of a bit of a dip or a bit of the bowl in the bushes, and they stay there. My my thermal records. They stayed there for there twenty minutes before I start moving moving the camera to get like, you know, okay, Le's gonna do a panoramic over the period, So we'll be here for a little bit. Then I'll skid it to the left a little bit, and then I'll wait alone and so on. And he flows the rock and he comes up and he gets.

1:06:04 Caught behind a rock, and then I move it again, and that's. When he actually runs out in front of my van and. He's fallow. I mean, the trees that's in the video is unmistakable. And I've got many videos and pictures of it there in that little parking lot. And when you look at it in slow motion, when I slowed it down on my computer and then put it on YouTube and slowed it down to twenty five, it goes so slow that you can indeed tell that it is a male.

1:06:55 And it goes so fast in the regular speed, it's just like I watched in the video. I'm like, who was that? I mean, so fast that the camera can't you know, can't get all of the form. And so yeah, real quick, real quick, because that part's extremely interesting. That is Those are some of the clips you sent to me right in the email. Yeah, okay, so that thermal is those thermal clips are so interesting because yes there is. I mean I've seen a lot and there is a bipedal figure in those clips. It's it's no mistake. Did you were you able to try to do any tests to see, like figure out how tall that figure was that you captured on thermal and you like comparison to.

1:08:03 That is that is video? I show you, I show you a bit of the video, and I'm freaking out because I'm like, you can hear it in my voice that I'm in flight. Mode realizing how big he is. And I measured a stick. I had a love for wood. I just absolutely love you know, the stripped river soft or dried out wood. I've got a love for wood. I what the heck blew up?

1:08:45 Oh? I measured the stick, and then you know, I knew. I can tell right. Where he comes out at. I can see. I show you the bow, you know, I show you a picture of that spot during the day, and I even I have somebody go over and somebody shows up there and I ask him to take a firm and he doesn't do a really good job, but you know where. He comes out at from his waist up. I come out from behind that winging my hand. And you can't see me. He was he was ten feet tall and he's got twenty prince.

1:09:32 Oh my goodness. Yeah, he's ten feet tall. Remind me again. So and the area that this was in again, this. Was this was at Eagle Fern on. Let me see who the Eagle Fern Park. The name of the view. Yes, if if you're okay, there is a road right by it that is called it starts with an am. I think, uh, Eagle Fern Parks and I you know, I I measured, I did.

1:10:26 I didn't realize that I could hold my thumb on my screen and keep stretching out and go all the way out. To where I first, uh encounter them. They're a wildcat. It is exactly ten miles as the bird flies that they go Ingle Fern. Okay, it is dummy, dumb, dumb. Okay. The name of the road, Oh, it's Kitts Miller Southeast k I t Z Miller Road.

1:11:09 And yeah, they go up and down that. I mean, there's there's a spot that I pulled over. The creek runs you know, North Fork, Eagle Creek runs all the way up there, and I can hear it on It's not even Wildcat anymore. It's it's a forest development road. And the spot that I sat at was at the beginning of the trail one oh five going up to Wildcat Mountain trail. Ahead, and I can hear north I can hear.

1:11:54 Northwark Eagle Creek sitting there, and. I mean, there's there's a spot where. You know, I took a video walking back in there, and I was going to check it out, but it was like. Oh, well, there's one break, I mean, bow down they were. They were breaking down limbs and making it so I had to. Duck underneath him. And when I ducked underneath the third one, I was like, yeah, I don't think anybody's wanted back here that And along that road is where I. Got that footprint, and I wish I'd had casting materials to do it. And let's see, uh uh down there at the one spot that's that's where you know, right across from him walking off from behind that street is that little gravel parking lot. You know, you can set three or four cars in there.

1:13:02 If you could. And he knew he knew, I mean from from where recorded that he was right across the road, and you know, he's probably fifty feet away, sixty feet away. He knew we were there. And you know, then later that night he's really earlier, earlier. He's down in the creek and he tosses a pebble to distract my son. And he ends up. He's looks like he's on shore when he tosses the pebble, but then you know, a few minutes later, it looks like he's laying out in the creek on his back. And let's say, there's there's one where I got it, and I was like, wow, what's this. It was the one where he stands up big and Harry stuck like shruck.

1:14:05 Oh. I called it big Boy. Rising for his evening, okay, And it's got a heart going around him up there on the on the thumbnail. And I went and I did a comparison. I went ahead and I set up my thermal during the day in my window like it was when I was getting him and or to match the same, you know, to match the screen. I got it as close as I could, and then I walked down there and I walked up the hillside to where I thought I found where he come up from but no, there was another one there, but it never stood up. There's a second there's a little bitty a dot Heath's signature below him, and that's where I went, and I was like, oh my gosh, he was he was a lot further up that hill, so he was he was further away and higher up.

1:15:17 So you know, as big as as big as he. Looks coming up from his little spot up there, he's huge. Big for society will be right back after these messages, you know. I mean, he's two foot tallis got at least four or five foot shoulders, and you know, standing there when I when I went over with my stick to measure, I started, my voice is shaking. I mean you can hear it. And I'm breathing heavy, like I've been running or something.

1:16:09 And I stand there and I realized, oh my gosh, if he was standing here, I don't even want to think about it. You know. I mean, my head's you know, my head's not even up to his belly button. That's wild. Yeah, yeah. And then. You know that uh, that night that I got squeezed like Sharman was. Actually I just put this clip up and it's only forty two seconds it says the night I was squeezed like Sharman and I don't know my son's got the camera.

1:17:04 But down on the creek, somebody comes up from it's it's tall, it is from from where he's standing. His head sticks up. The creek is probably down ten feet maybe, and he stood up on this on the on the hillside and peeked up over the roots of the tree and he was just there for I mean. A split a few seconds or not even not even a whole second. It was crazy, Uh that that was the night that.

1:17:55 I got I've got the video footage of the older sibling and the younger one running toward down the creek. And I mean when I when this happened, I'm like looking at the at the video, I'm talking to myself and I process it out loud and I'm like and I'm right there. I went back. It was during the day, and I'm. Talking to the camera and saying that, you know, if that couldn't have been their mother, because their mother wouldn't have been running ahead of them and leaving them behind, it had to be an older brother or sister. And that's when it hit me. It was like, oh my gosh, this.

1:18:51 His group is the same one from up world chat and they just come down the creek and I've got you can see where the stick gets tossed, comes out and it bounces in the grass. And that's when I had. Told my son had the funnel and I had the spotlight, and I said, did you hear that? And he's like what And I said, it sounded like something motioning through grass, like a foot or a bunny rabbit or something, and he's allware And I pointed the spotlight out to the right in front of me about I don't know, ten feet out and I said about there.

1:19:40 And he's like, I'm ready to go. I want to go. He hadn't told me what he'd been touching on the funnel, but I told him. I said, you know they're here. I know I can. Tell they're here, but they don't mean any harm. And so well, after finding out on the video, I was like, well, I was just off. You know how if you turn your head you can be mistaken to where the sounds coming from. It was actually to the left that that stick landed and I found it and it matches.

1:20:20 The one in the video, and it's from the dash my van. That they threw at me, Well they didn't throw at me, They just threw it out there to distract. And then shortly after that you wanted to leave. And I did a build on my van. It is it is. Wall the wall, all the inside is tongue and drew climb and on my door you can't see through the window anymore. It's all paneled. And I made a pull down table that would be held up with lean chains and from it getting slam shut, because you know, everybody's got to slam the door shut, it gets well compromised and it would fall down and I'd have to pull it up before I you know, put it back up before I could open the door. And so it had done that when my son got out and shut it, and he.

1:21:26 Was like, you know, I'm there. You go and he goes around to the to the door and he opens it and he gets up. I'm like, hold on, I've got to go in there and fix it so you can get in. And I'm wearing the same rubber boots that is in that picture where I found that big twenty inch print. And so I get in and I've taken out my passenger seat and it is got a case in it, a fireproof case, and it's put a woodstove in and I've got a bench like a pull down bench in the middle, and I'm laying across that one night belly diagonally to fix the door.

1:22:10 My feet are hanging out my driver's door, and he's right, you know. The door's open a little bit, like I don't know, three inches. He can see that. I'm there, and I can see that he's there, and he's really wanting in, and all of a sudden, I feel on my right foot a gradual squeeze, very slowly and softly, like they're they're coming. They're feeling that rubber they're feeling the rubber boot and that it's giving you know, I'm not feeling it out, So they're they're waiting until they run into my flash. And I didn't hear myself, but I know I start kicking and flailing, and the thought that was going in my head was, oh my god, I'm gonna get drug out by a bigfoot.

1:23:08 I had him in screaming. I had to make noise. Because my son went come running around the friend of the land, and by the time he gets to my door, I'm standing there outside on the ground, and I said, did you grab my foot? And he's like you and God bless them alone along the pieces that he reminds me of e Or And he didn't. He did not squeeze me. He was right outside the door when that happened. But you know, our denial system works to protect us. And when we got.

1:23:57 Home, we came out into the motor home and I started, I downloaded that stuff, and I was thinking about what had happened, and I'm like, I'm like, you know, no, you didn't you you were I you your denial worked to save you too, to protect us, because I said, picture it. If I had said, you know, did you grab my foot, my uncle, then you just said no, and you'd feel all that we had gotten in the van, and I would appeal out of there. We very likely would have ended up going into Eagle Creek when I turned right on that bridge. Yeah, I mean, And so that was the last time when he went with me, and it kind of did.

1:25:01 It did to him what I was talking about earlier, that it happens to some people. I mean, he. Fell off the face or he's homeless. Last time I heard he was living under a Bridge and Portland, and. I, you know, I don't know, I don't know what happened to him, but I know that then it messed with him. I mean, he got We went to on that On that way going out to Eagle from Park is another place we called the fish Ladder, so on the right hand side, and you know, people aren't supposed to go in.

1:25:46 They've been trying for years to keep people out, but good luck with that. It's fun and it's beautiful. And I took him down there to see how how the water was. And when you come back, I was ahead. Of him down walking down the path back to the van, and he was probably about thirty feet behind me, forty feet behind me, and he heard growl. He got growled at, and that scared the crap out of him. And you know, they don't They seemed him for the most part, have a hard time with men.

1:26:31 I was really surprised that they got growled at. But uh, you know, oh, maybe someone will here this. Maybe whoever did this will remember, of course and recognize that it was them and write in the comments or send you an email or something. That m. Was snow and it was still snow on the ground up wildcat. I took my son with me and we stopped at where I first filmed, got my little admirer on thermal and I go out and he's he's skinny and and.

1:27:20 Gotting me on his bone. So he gets pulled easy and he wouldn't come out with me. So I walked across the road and. I find I find big, big footprints. I mean they look like a shoe because the rounded, but I. Put my foot next to it, and you know it's not a snow shoe and it's huge, and right there going along with it are wolf some wolf prints. And so then I crossed the link. To go toward the logging road, and I'm always looking down and I'm recording, and I'm like.

1:28:07 A hand print. It was a big handprint, and I put my hand over it. You know, it's like two inches more and two inches longer fingers. And I go into immediate flight. Sounding like I'm. Freaking out and just run a marathon, and and I'm like wow, you know, okay. I keep going go around the gate and I see some prints that look like hmmm, those those look suspicious, and I keep going down and I didn't fit but in in my video there.

1:28:55 Is a bleak bottle to the left, and I ended up. Noticing something further down the road, on the right hand edge of a gravel road, and I walked down there and I'm like, what's this. It is? It looks like kind of like, you know, a paint can or a big coffee can. Only it's plastic. I didn't bother to continue reading the applications on it, but I think somebody wanted to get some prints, wanted to do some uh you know, plaster curse some molds because you can't do them in the snow.

1:29:46 I didn't realize that gotta have the right stuff. And I think like maybe there was a truck there and that handprint was him, you know, getting down and looking around the back his track down the road at the. Guy BIG's a society will be right back after these messages. And then seeing and knowing that he wants to take a cast of his footprint and it probably pissed him off.

1:30:31 I found a pile of I said, oh, this looks like Pastor Parrish and it's powdering white. And that's when I looked down and I saw that container probably about twenty or thirty feet down the road, maybe forty feet and you know it's colored in in small, not dense, but the paper has been it looks like a pattern like it got hit against something that that just. Took little pieces of paper off. It was really weird. But it also looks like it got angrily squeezed and broken like like you know, not a pop can, but but something brittle. And yeah, I think uh, I think somebody had the poop scared at him when they were going to take canas.

1:31:30 And there were some tissues down there too that really mhm freaked me out. I was it scared me out. I walked down filming at night with the flash on and got the tennis shoe to my foot next Jade laying there. And then turned and ran back. I know that they have that they have been here. Oh oh wait, mind speak. That was it? My little admirer squeezed me like sarmon. I was like, I'd go there and I'd talk out the windows in the dark, and I hung my hand out the door, out the window, and I'm telling him, you.

1:32:20 Know, if he wanted a little admired, if he wanted to touch me. Let me know, you know, give me some sort of you know, sound sign like like a baby something happy, like a baby cooling, is what I said, like a baby cooling, And kept. Talking and little and I ended up. I go back and go back a lot, but I think it was about a week later. For some reason, I needed something out of the back and I didn't want to crawl through from the inside. So I got my lamp and went around some my slider and opened it and I was looking around for stuff in there, for something, and all of a sudden, I hear like a really loud, panting pappy puppies is what it sound like.

1:33:21 I whirled around screaming. I still cannot to this day believe how I screamed. It sounded like something out of a horror movie. It was so loud and nothing, there was nothing there. So I get back in my van and it's like, wow, you know, did that that just happened? I mean, I knew what it was. I you know, I knew what it was. And there. You know, when you're born with an ability, that doesn't mean that you're going to be able to do it right from the gate. You know, you've got to learn how to and you know, control it.

1:34:12 And I think clearly that that this little person and this little hairy person. Needed to work on their volume because it was really really loud. Well, I'm starting to. Share it because I'm sitting out in life in way to be hot that isn't hot, to stay cooler in the heat. Mm hmmm mm hm. Oh gosh, I can't believe this. I've never I mean, this is just it's a bit of well, not overwhelming, well, maybe a lit bit to.

1:35:01 Be able to talk about all this stuff. I just, yeah, I think about I think about all the people that you've had on that you know what I can relate to, you know. I mean. When I showed up up there on the Wildcat and that little guy was looking out at me from behind that tree, you know, he I think he was like he was in awe. He was like, I think they can they can see our oris, you know they can. You know, it's like you have a neon sign.

1:35:46 Flashing hanging around her neck that you know they can tell. They can tell that you're you know, you're a good person. And I can't believe that, you know, all the hearing somebody say that all all the bad experiences were red ones, But I mean that's that's where they are. I mean clearly, because. You know, someone who wants to kill you or eat you isn't going to run down the road and wait for you to stop you from crying by showing themselves to you like that, right, And.

1:36:34 You know he covered himself, covered his face up, so he didn't make me start crying for a different reason. That's really interesting. Yeah, And. I've heard, I've heard a time or tube one hid behind they saw him. Sitting up on a cliff side on the road and. They were sitting there holding a tree right between their legs. In front of them. I mean, there's they are a people. They are and you know they they have a language, they understand us.

1:37:22 You know that. They're I'm sure they're gurnal live longer because they are grounded. They're they're not wearing river soles and and ungrounded from the earth. Yeah, and and you know, i mean Patty, she got a hair on her face. She you know, she looks different. There's there's more than there's more than just one kind out there. I mean they there are and look humid, that look like you know, and the end result big valage.

1:38:07 So if you go off of the just the reports that i've you know, received there are different kinds. They look different in different parts of the US, that's without question for sure. Yeah, yeah, yep, like the ones down in Florida, or smaller exactly. Yep. The further south you get they are they are smaller for sure, and reverse the further north you get, you know, up in Alaska they're they're much bigger, you know, and up north in Canada. But you know, Lisa, you're the things you've experienced so far over the years is just incredible.

1:38:52 But I would love to, you know, just while I've got you here. Have you ever heard of anything going on south of you? Like I'm going to be down in the Willamette National Forest soon down near like Oakridge area. Have you ever heard of anything happening down there? No? No, but I did. I have been listening to you say how you're going to go down there, and I've heard I've heard some of the stuff that was that was talked about that Oh when was that guy's name that he just had on that his stuff happened around there, Lily Close.

1:39:37 Oh, there has been there's been cool. Yeah, there's been the gentleman out by Spirit Lake. There's been the gentleman where his dog got thrown up in a tree. I guess that was a little bit west of of Oakridge. But yeah, there's just this man. Oregon is just is full of wild stories. But all so really, you know, interesting stories like the ones you've shared that maybe are not super aggressive, but are also very interesting to analyze, you know, how they're interacting with humans, you know, in the ways that you've been sharing.

1:40:20 I think you can. I think you can kind of look at it and if you compare it to us. We are raised being told stories, being told, you know, experiences. You know, Okay, well this kind of stuff happened in Mississippi, so you know that they grew up here in about you know Billy Joe are you know? Yeah, Billy Billy Joe mccalisters and boss of Tallahassi Bridge. You know, you just you hear, you hear different stuff.

1:41:02 You're raised on different histories. And you know, I heard someone h say that that they are told when they reach a certain age, they are told about us, little hairless ones. And you know, I can only imagine the things that they're told because we are not nice, or I shouldn't say we, because I'm not a mouse in somebody's pocket. You know, they're not nice, and I mean that's why you know. They know what guns are, you know, they they there's the reason why they don't like us, why they don't trust us. And if they can tell, if they can tell a person's intent, that says the lot about missing falling, one hunted the hunted, you know. I mean when you know they're looking for.

1:42:09 Another hunter and they accidentally find a young man shoved up underneath the root. System in a tree, and you know who's going to do that. People ask about the red eyes. I listened to. Some guy interviewing Steve Sdall, and you know it's like they got this. This little problem with the eyes. Illuminating from within, and it's like, well, you know, I'm a thinker, I'm you know, I'm a truth seeker. I dissect and we know about you know, oppas sea creatures they can change their colors, lizards, and.

1:43:06 So there's you know, there's a there's a reason for it. It doesn't just happen. I mean, they're either hunting. It's a survival thing. It's either food or safety. And our eyes have rods in them that are for night vision. And I heard somewhere quite a while back that we have somewhere between seven and nine in each eye and. Big for it in the sasquash, big Harry folks and white being called that other stuff they can see quite clearly at night. I mean, there's this one guy, I haven't seen him put up any videos in a long time that he's called we do it outdoors and he actually he actually uh cut out some of one of my favorite videos of his that I recorded, that.

1:44:09 Part where he gets he gets drug off. He's out with his brother, I think, and he gets drug off and you see at the end of the video you see upside down a slick two feet walking away. But he took this one thermal and his device. He holds it out in front of him like it's for an electrician or something. It's really way more expensive than mine was, I'm sure, but he's told me he's like you see him. You see the big guy walk along, reach out, push up a branch out of the way and step over probably a log. But it is pitch black out there, so I think that you know, they know that they're maybe they have a thermal maybe that is actually thermal.

1:45:10 Viewing wait to view, and that the AI that they made the thermal imaging that I have was. Reverse engineered, and they would need a big hairy person to dissect. And you know, I don't know, or maybe maybe a sense of red, but I. Do believe that that glow comes from their rots. You know, they do something. Maybe you know, maybe it has to do.

1:45:52 With like when that guy said uh he was uh he was spoken to you, or you know, this big hairy guy stepped out. He had seen his arm in his hand on a tree, and he stepped out and was standing there and he like he quinched his fifth back and forth like in like an anger. Maybe big so society will be right back after these messages.

1:46:37 Possibly, and he felt he felt something come to him like you know, what do you what are you doing here? What is your you know took this type thing. And he felt inclined to speak out loud and tell him that he didn't intend him any harm, that he only carries you know, the side arm out of habit. And but the guys, the big hairy. Guy's eyes went red. They started glowing. And so I'd have to re listen to that and see exactly when they started growing. But it's you know, little marine life deep down in the ocean. Organisms have something in their system that can line up like a mean light.

1:47:32 So I mean it's not it's not all alone with possibilities, and I can really easily imagine it. Absolutely. It is so many interesting theories and and things to consider that Lisa has been such a such an interesting chat. Uh. You're different things you've encountered, and I'm just thankful we were able to get you on in order that you'd be all does share the whole story, So thank you for coming on. I've seen fairy I've got footage of fairies too, right down there at that at that same spot.

1:48:15 Where I got squeezed, and they're on there too. They're you know, first and first. Video the inauperation or whatever a fairy hill I call fairy hill. You know these things are. They seem to be about two inches around and flat, you know when it when it went up a tree. I've got footage of a shrew on that same weird tree that the big guy went in. Front of and showed his gender. I've got a shrew going up that tree. So you know this one o'clock in the morning.

1:48:59 It's not it's not a squirrel, it's not a bird going around having to. From tree to tree, looking like going in through holes that are all over that landscape. Like they look like, you know, funnel webs. How you know the formation of it. It is not something that rodents did when they're out off from the ground, away from the ground, and they're in the shrubs and they're just they're holes. They're little tunnels made into the foliage. And through some of the naughty bought the tree roots.

1:49:47 Out there on the hill, I mean, and they knew, you know, that night that I got that first solution. I'm like, what are these? I'm like thinking what game the mind was tinker Bell? Because some of some of the footage you see a bit of a a thermal jet stream, you know, like when Tinkerbell goes running off and you see the glitter going behind her. If a bit of a heat signature from them going through the air. And that night I went home and I'm looking looking for fairy stuff, and I happened upon some guy that had there was a website where he's he started a collection like in fourteen fifty two or something way back, and all these creatures had been caught and kept and in wooden boxes and there was one of a fairy that had a queen or Queen Elizabeth's penny sitting next to it.

1:51:10 And you look at that penny next to that figure, and that thing looks like it's about two inches tall. And on on. My on my. YouTube I have there's a video very short and it says, wtf is that? And there's the thumbnail is the picture of that fairy. And then a piece of videos that I accidentally caught something flying around in a bush. That you know, it wasn't an insect, it wasn't a bird.

1:51:53 And I mean. They're very huge. They're down at the water when Josh is getting that well, the one through a rock when it like comes up out of the water and does an art and then he goes back down. I've got eyeballs. That are that has got to be big boy, and they're like ten foot up this tree that's behind me. I mean, it's kind of all kinds of stuff mm hmm. That it feels like there's gonna be definitely more more things to talk about in the future. I would imagine, who knows what will happen.

1:52:43 Yeah, m. I pissed one off up low Low pass, did you when I left the fire burning. Yeah. Yeah, he hit the side of my van and knocked a pot off of a shelf. I mean, I didn't. I was startled by the pot, but I didn't know what it was. And then the next day I get up and I go out and I'm like. Wow, all that wood burned all the way off. I had a big pile out there. But then I moved to a different.

1:53:26 Spot next door because the guy left and I wanted that spot. And I was going off and I was recording. I was going off and I was going to cut some wood, and I found I looked off in the bushes and I found a very specific, recognizable piece of wood that I have out in the motor home that he. Took off of the fire. He dismantled my fire, and he took it, walked a little walkway down on the edge of the. Creek, and he threw it off in the bushes. And I found it, and I apologized and told them, you know, I got I got downs of water.

1:54:09 I brought it down to the fire pit and I said, see here, I've got water. I will not you know, I will not do that again. But I could feel him, Wow, I could feel him right there. And did you see any tracks outside at all around the van or. No? I didn't. I didn't look, and I didn't realize that, you know, I didn't realize. I thought I had just knocked it off because at that time I was sleeping with my head behind the driver's seat and it goes diagonal from the driver's seat back to the left corner the right corner, so my head was down there, and I just thought i'd knocked it off, but I didn't.

1:54:55 He got peeved, right, extreme interesting stuff. I hope that that one interaction doesn't repeat itself in the future. It sounds like most of your interactions are pretty peaceful, so we'll hope that continues. Which one the squeeze one? Well, I guess the squeeze one. I mean, did that leave a did it leave a bruise at all? Or no? No, gently squeezed me like like a rola sharmany gradual until he ran into my into my solid flush. So I would say that's a peaceful interaction, right, I mean, it could have been much worse, for sure.

1:55:41 Yeah, I mean it was misunderstood, but then, you know, I mean they knew when I said you know me, you know, a sign something, you know, the sound something nice like chewing a happy teeing baby. They didn't have a Korean baby to compare it to that. They were told, well, I'm thinking they're around dogs, so they know what a happy little puppy sounds like. Right, M so interesting, Lisa, I appreciate you coming on. Did you have any you know, as we start to wrap up our first time chatting together, did you have any closing thoughts about the Sasquatch as a you've said that as a forest people. As how you you've mentioned them a few times.

1:56:40 Yeah, I mean, there's more than them out there, you know. I hope, I hope I never see a dog man that you know. Those those eyes that I'm. Looking at right now on on my page, it kind of looks like at first as I thought there was a bit of a blaze, a white blaze going up the forehead, but that may not be. And and yeah, out I don't know. Out in the sun they can. Depending on their skin. I've I've seen where there's one guy that I watch, his name is, his name is Sunny Sunny later better and he has he's got footage of the same big hairy guy over years and.

1:57:44 I can tell from he's got a white beard. And with his first video that was like, I don't know, seven or ten years ago. His he looks like he has one big dread like he's he's now. It's not long and flowing or anything, and it just grew. It's like his hair got taller. And when he's got one video where he's got a there's a camera sitting up facing their tent or facing the hill behind the tent, and here's this big figure creeping in behind the bushes. And he looks really dark.

1:58:25 I heard somebody describe his the same skin color where it was like kind of a a gray, you know, kind of Indian looking dark. You know, there's no there's no brown in it. I mean it's it's like a smoky gray. But then when he starts creeping off stage white, the sun hits him through the shrubbery and his skin turns white. Skin looks lighter, so you know, these squinchy eyes. I look at it and really hope that it's not it's not a dog man.

1:59:13 But when I looked, I mean that. That being is about eight feet tall at least based on where it was standing. Interesting stuff be interesting to see if there's other people that reach out in the comments that I've had interactions in that same Wildcat area. I've heard other I've feared heard a little bit about it from other people, but I think we might get some other things too. But Lisa, thank you so much for chatting tonight. It has been a pleasure.

1:59:53 If there's anybody in the area, in my area that doesn't have somebody to go with, I would love somebody to, you know, go out there, and you know, I don't feel real safe, you know, being out by myself. Sure, I'll put your YouTube in the description and maybe people can reach out to you in the comments of that, or is there another way that they should reach out to you.

2:00:33 Well, they can, they can reach out to me in the comments, or you know maybe if you don't mind, and they emailed you, so. That that's I will say that I don't do that anymore because there have been ones where I have had to answer hundreds of emails and it takes my entire day. So I try to not do that game anymore. I apologize. But the comments might be a good good deal. Yeah, if you don't have a direct just keep an eye on the comments. I suppose so, but thank you for thank you for chatting tonight, Lisa, and I really recommend people check out Lisa's channel. There's some really interesting thermal footage shots on that channel, so definitely check that out.

2:01:32 But thank you, Lisa. Yeah, thanks Tomia