You Don't Mess Around Here! | Brown Springs, Oklahoma

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0:58 Your name comes up every once in a while different interviews. I'm like, man, I got to get the guy himself on here. So how's it going today? Man, oh, I can't complain if anybody wouldn't be legal. It's I'm glad we finally got together because it's, like you said, it's been a long time coming. So I'm glad we finally got it worked out. Absolutely. I don't even know if this episode's out yet. It might be out soon, but just talk to Ryan Edwards and he he had mentioned your name a few times about there was a little expedition that happened up on the Texas Boarder and that might come come up later in the interview. Tex I like to start at the beginning and regarding Bigfoot. What was it that got you into this whole Bigfoot phenomenon to begin with?

1:45 There? It's really it's almost a whole lockdown thing. Honestly, it's not. I'm not one of those guys that you know, had him encounter when he was a little bitty kid, and I love Bigfoot ever since you know the whole you hear a lot, you know, in search of and top thing. It wasn't like that for me. My family is from Texagnan, which is foul you know, Fouc area and which is the Boggy Creek Monster area. So I grew up hearing those stories, right, And I can remember even before, and I was kneehied or short frog when this happened. But I can remember me and all my little cousins when I go up there to visit. One story that real funny. We were all out in the backyard one night hunting the Boggy Creek monster with our little toy guns and everything. Right, there's like five or six.

2:33 So was one of my older cousins. He was seventeen eighteen, and he was always a brankster. He goes out the front yard the front door, climbs up on the roof with a gorilla mask on, jumps down, comes, goes over the roof and jumps down in the middle of all of us screaming. It's like we scattered like a covey of quail. Except for me. I was not smart enough to run. I stood. I froze instead of pulling the trigger on a toy gunn thinking that's going to do any good. That doesn't speak the bravery, doesn't It speaks too stupidity if folks, you know, at a young age. So I grew up hearing all that stuff, and it's always it was always a fascination of mine that type of thing, and I had some stuff happen when I was a young man and then box that end and never talk about it, and we may talk about that later, but honestly, about eight years ago, I shared an encounter that I had for the first time in public on a young woman's channel. Her name is Daniel Steedman, and she liked the way I sounded. I don't know why, but anyway, she wanted me to do some voice work for it. Kind of started doing some voice work for and then that led into me and meeting another individual and I ended up co hosting his show for a couple of years. But he was an actual field investigator and up on the Red River, which is not too far from me. It's about an hour I liven't for worse, so it's about an hour away. So he invited me

4:08 to come up there and do some research with him and first rattle out of the box. We get up there about eight thirty in the morning and we're parked on the edge of a hay field with a thin tree line between the hay field and the wheat field, and he's we pull up, I park my truck. He's getting his camera and stuff and all that kind of stuff. Ready, I'm just taking into the lay of land right, trying to pick out landmarks that type of thing. Get my bearing so I don't get lost down these river bottoms. And I'm looking through this tree line. Tree line is about I don't know, maybe five ten yards thick, and I'm looking into this wheat field. And then we at that point was four feet tall thereabouts, and about fifty yards away. This thing stands up in the middle of the wheat field. Black looks like he's going to cross the street, looks both ways, and takes off, running down into the bottoms. Now, I saw him from about the waist up until he hit the fire brake, and I saw him for about two steps at the doe, and I had no explanation for what I saw in fact, and my exact words were, I'm staying and I washing this thing, and because I'm out there, and he was like, he says, there's like three people have seen that thing, and I haven't seen it yet, and it's like there he went. So we went down into the river bottoms and cut we took it left and turned where it

5:40 would take us across his path. And we start hearing something up on the ridge, like every once in a while, walking through the trees, and then we'll hear what some people claim as wood knocking, with some people claim his mouth popping. I think it probably is both. And then we'd go about another hundred yards and we'd hear it again, and then we just continued for a while. We theorized what was going on was this was a what everybody usually calls a sentinel or lookout, and we may have been we may have had a family group or a clan or whatever in front of us, and he was HEARDing them in front of us, so we wouldn't walk up on him. And we really didn't have anything else happened, But like you need anything else happening, right, that's plenty.

6:34 So that's what kicked it off with me. After that, I was hooked and I started doing and I started doing research on my own, and so I started doing something that not a lot of people do. I'm not saying I'm the first one to do it. I'm not saying I'm the only one to do it, but a lot of people don't like doing what I do, and that's solo research. I would go out there and spend days and nights at a time by myself, and I found. What I found was one. This is the very active area. It's Brown Springs, Oklahoma. It's no secret. If you've been in the Bigfoot community for a while, you've heard about it. It's very notorious. Some of the most seasoned researchers have said they won't go out there during the day without a bunch of people, and they won't go out there at night at all. I don't know, but and it's nothing against them. I don't blame Okay, there's a lot of hinky stuff that goes on down it, But I guess it was the fact that I had grown up being out in the country and being isolated like you are when you live out in a rural area as a kid, you tend to do stuff either with a loan or with your dog that's your best friend. And that's what I did. Hunted, I finished, I trapped and just hiked and camped and everything. And I did a lot of it by myself. It wasn't no, it wasn't any big deal to me. I just was doing it to do it right. I just enjoyed being out there.

8:03 But what I realized was that when you start, when you have an encounter, it opens your eyes and you're looking for stuff that you've never looked for. You're listening for stuff that you've never listened to work, And I realized that in a in an active area, these things are very curious. Where they're entertainment, where they're TV. We're their reality shows, right, So you don't have to go out in the middle of the woods going here. Just be yourself and if they're there, they're going to come check you out because they're very curious. Now, as far as a lot of people talk about, they talk about being marked or these things choose to let you see them, I can't speak to any of that. I don't know.

8:59 I don't think any of us know. And that's one of the big problems that a lot of people claim to know, because a lot of people claim to communicate with these beings and I personally have not had that experience yet. I'm not saying it don't happen. I'm just saying I haven't had that experience. But what I have had is a lot of interaction with them. I've been cheeked to cheek with them. There was a thin my tent wall between the slicks. It's one of those things where once it happens, you usually act, usually react in one or two ways, and you either jump feet first into it or you never step flicked back in the woods. Again, there's really no in between with it that I've found, of course doing my show and talking to hundreds of people.

9:51 And that's another thing that really drives what I do now is giving people a safe platform because you can't talk to every just anybody about these experiences that we have. You could. You may go years and years most of your life believing that something's out there, But once you cross that line into knowing that something's out there that's not supposed to exist, it's supposed to be a legend that there's a switch that flips and you either realize that you're not you're not number one in the woods. Okay, you're you are not at the top of the food chain. Now, I'm not saying these things are evil. I'm not saying they're vicious or anything like that. They're no different than different tribes of people. If Grandpa Bigfoot was shot and he's going to raise his plan to where they may not tolerate us as much. But there again, you hear stories of indigenous peoples having relationships with these beings and trading with them and learning from them and by vice versa.

11:02 So I think it varies. It's no different than going down and paddling down to Congo, coming to a village, walking up in there and you're treated like a god. You're getting a you're fed of feast and all this kind of stuff, and you say your goodbyes, you get back in your little canoe and you go back down. You go about ten miles down the river. It's you know, the village, you walk in, you are at the feast. It's no different than that. These things can't be blamed for doing something. They can't be called evil just because they do what they do. They do. They do what they do to survive, and it's I think it's a fine line between and I think it has a lot to do with respect. If you go out there and you disrespect their house, that's what you're doing. Folks. You have to remember you got to lose this attitude of I planted by flag, I own this place. No, you do, nod, You do not own the land. You're in their living room.

12:04 How would you act if somebody come in and just dumped a bunch of trash in your living room. Somebody's getting the butt whooping, right, it's the same thing. They're going to try to run you out. You always hear these stories about people being escorted out of the woods and that type of thing. Do you blame them? I wouldn't want us in there anyway. We're like locust. So it's something you have to go in there. And I think those sinse intent no different than a dog does, no different than a horse does. Those animals are perfectly a perfect judge as a character. Okay, I think as far as the intelligent level of these creatures, our critters, as I lovely call lovingly call them, they're on part with killer whales. And I get beat up every time I say that. I get beat up about it. Oh they're more, they're smarter than they killer. Well, you need to look at what you need to research killer whales, because you're talking about something an animal that is self aware, that grieves, hash funerals, mates for life, and teaches and adapts and strategizes. Look at the video of I think I can't remember if it's two or three orcas. They synchronize their attack and wash a sea lion off of a piece of ice so they can eat it, okay, And there's a lot of examples like that. When a

13:36 different pod comes into their territory, they teach what they know to this other pod, they teach different hunting techniques. If you took all that I just said and instead of Orca curd of well you put big foot in front of it, you've got everything that everybody talks about these creatures doing. And so it's there's a lot more to the natural world than we think there is. And when I say the natural world, I think these beings, these careers have been a part of our natural world for eons. They're probably older than we are, and a lot of what we've learned through the thousands of years, tens of thousands of years, we can probably credit to them, either just by observing what they do or actually have interactions with them. So I know I went off on a tangent there, But getting back to the research aspect of it, if you want to call it, that, can we unless you're going out in the field and you're writing data down in your book and you're doing this, and you're doing that and it's hard to call it.

14:49 For me, it's hard to call myself a researcher, if that makes sense. I'm an enthusiast. I guess you could say I'm out there for the experience. I get evidence and bring it to the table. Absolutely, we've pulled out some of the best physical evidence that's been pulled out of the field in years. We've got hand prints and full armed prints and elbow prints we pulled off of my truck and it has. We got the normal ridges and the fingerprints the whole nine yards. Big for society. Who will be right back after these messages?

15:42 Was that around the Brown Springs area as well? Yeah, we identified what happened was I was doing a live show up in the cemetery. Brown Spring's got a famous cemetery. It sets up off the hill about one hundred yards. And what's one thing that's really neat about the cemetery. It's got a fresh water cold water spring that runs directly underneath it and bubbles out at the bottom of the cemetery where you park. Okay, and so you've got the Red River, which is got a hairy salt and it's got it's very salty for a fresh water body of water, but it's also got a lot it's muddy. It's called the Red River for a reason.

16:24 And then you've got this fresh water, clear water spring that has been used by humans for years, and you've got it. It's and it's a it's a wildlife management area. You've got just mountains of prey out there for them. You've got wild plump tickets, you've got ponds, you've got walnuts, You've got all this kind of stuff. It's a perfect it's a perfect area. The only thing is you've also got the humans that run around out there. Okay, but they've gotten pretty good it not if they don't want to be seen, they're not seen. But anyway, I was doing a live show from a cemetery and my safety team, one of my trackers and his son was down at the bottom parking their truck. And so I'm up in the cemetery doing a live show. My phone dies that I'm doing the show on basic skudaddle up there to make sure I'm okay. In the rush to leave, they left the truck unlocked, the keys and commission and all of our electronics is sitting out there. Okay. They also had a bear proof. Yet a cooler in the back that was closed and locked. All right, are latched. They run up the hill, we find each other and it takes you about thirty minutes rust and we walk back down.

17:48 When we get down there that these we got handprints all over both trucks. We identified three different sets of prints. Okay, the cooler had been opened and closed, but not lashed. There was water that was dribbled over the tailgate that looked like somebody had opened the chists chest and reached down and got scooped their hand in and got some water and just dribbled it over the tailgate. Water and ice, and the eyes hadn't melted yet, so that tells you something. Also on the one of the interesting things was on the top of his cab. There were two handprints on the top edge of his cab with water dripped down in between them. Now, being a man with a beard, this happens when you scoop water in your hands and get a drink, he does down your beard and drips.

18:39 So if he's if this thing was leaning on the top of the cab, standing in the back of the truck had just gotten to drink out of the cooler. He's got water dripping out his beard directly between his handprints. Watching them walk run up the hill to get me. We pulled. We took photo of these. We didn't have any Unfortunately, we didn't have any clear tape to pull the prints with, but we did take pictures. They're very good pictures. Like I said that, you can actually see My favorite one is actually muttery, muddier than my truck. Okay, you can see it. What looks like that. It's just gorgeous.

19:21 The forearm print is gorgeous. You can see the hair, and the handprint is is absolutely beautiful. You can The dermal ridges that are in the fingerprints are awesome. I've had it looked at my fingerprint experts on the law enforcement side of things and on the wildlife side of things. Every one of them tells me the same thing. I can't tell you what that is, but I can tell you it's not human because the dermal ridges on every human, I don't care who you are, swirl the dermal ridges on a primate or horizontal. These are horizontal. Another thing is every handprint was smaller than anybody on the team, and none of them are above like the edge of the back of the pickup or the hood of the pickup.

20:10 They're all that hat there lower and it looks like they're reaching up. So whatever these things were, they were either squatting down or they were short. That left all this evidence. So that's really interesting. So do you think it may have been that you were dealing with some juveniles that day. Or that's what I think a lot of people have suggested that maybe it was the little people that type of thing. I don't know. I can't speak to that, but I think that we were looking at probably three juveniles that had come out of there's a little marshy area that the spring runs into across the road, and I think that they were in this little marshy area watching us, and when they lit out, they came in, poked around. There was nothing missing, There was no drinks missing out of the cooler, there was none of the electronics had been touched. Like I said, the keys were in the truck. If this had been humans, more than likely all that expensive equipment, no cannons around, nothing like that. Yeah, that's ez pickens, but that that's And when we pulled

21:41 another handprint too, that one came from camp. We were. There was five or six of us, I think, sitting around campfire one night when we was talking and this was about two miles down the road from where these other we got these other handprints and this we were sitting around the campfire and when we had to pee. One of the guys had parked next to a gully that was on one side of the camp site is suv and when we wanted to pee, we just get up and go on the other side of his suv and p So he gets up and he does to go pee. He goes, hey, which one of you, sorry s obs, put your greasy handprint on my truck? Like, what are you talking about? Man? He goes, Man, come in and look at this. There's this handprint, huge handprint, bigger than anybody's there, bigger than I got pretty good sized. Pause, it dwarfed mine, but there it was, big, go greasy handprint towards the top of his suv. We did pull that one. That is in a bag frozen in his freezer where investigator different places to send it because you have to be very picky about that and it's very expensive to get DNA done. I'm sure everybody realizes that.

23:08 So we're actually looking for some backing. Somebody's really interested in this, but we're not going to give them the full thing and just go here you go. We can't do that. But another thing is right where we had been and this was right where we'd been peeing was pretty much right below this, right, and I've got pictures of this too. Get beat up for not doing this, and what day you wanted? I didn't do what I'm about to say. Okay, so you can see where we were our little p marks, and right in the middle of it where we had been peeing is it's probably two foot in diameter wet spot. Right. It looks like this thing had just leaned against the suv watching us at the campfire and just cut loose right there. It's like a horse had took up the leak right there, right And we discussed this right there on the spot.

24:00 Let's get a sample who we can get DNA. That'd be great, except that it had already been contaminated with us. So anytime you turn DNA in and they find human DNA, they toss it out. Oh, it's contaminated, So it would do no good to take anything. Even when they do come up with the other side of it, which is usually unknown primate. They use that human DNA is just to toss it out. So that's why. And I actually made the call on not taking samples of the dirt there, and I was like, we wouldn't do this any good.

24:47 But we do have the handprint and it's frozen and it's got the oil from the hand on it. There are some studies going on with that kind of stuff, so we're hoping to get into that. That is. That's fascinating that you were able to sure that evidence and that you've got it in the freezer. Now you'd we mentioned before that this Brown Springs area is if you're in the bigfoot community, you've heard of it. It just has there's certain areas that have a certain lore to it. How far back has this area been known for bigfoot? Are there certain events that happened that really put it into the zeitgeist of Okay? This spot is wild for bigfoot stuff?

25:29 Is there is? I mean for years and new years going back, there's been bigfoot stories coming out of southeast Oklahoma in the Red River area, Okay, all over all up and down the Red River. But Brown Springs has a very dark and notorious history to it. Anyway, it was a back in the day, it was a river crave it. That's where the river crossing was. That's where that freshwater spring was. People congregated there. The cemetery that sits on top of the hill that I was talking about on this death date there is nineteen twenty four, and from what we can determine, it originally started out as a burial noun for the Caddo people. Okay, this is way back when. Now the Chickasaw are there too, and you also got some chalk taw an all inment area.

26:29 Right there was a gentleman called his last name is Love. The county is named Acriam. The wildlife management area right there where we go where Brown Springs is named Acriam. He's very well known. He was American Indian, right and he used that cemetery as his family cemetery, and then other folks used it as a community cemetery. And there was countless, countless incount of between the settlers and the Indians in that area. There's also you passed forward to history a little bit. The DFW, the Dallas Fort Worth Mafia used that area as a body dump there's also and there's that We filmed a little documentary down there one time, and two weeks after we filmed the documentary, there was a body found. So it's very it's still stranger to the dark side of things. It's known for a cult activity. We ran across some evidence of that that that's a story. We got surrounded by cops. One nay, and but there's a it's still an open case and you can't find out hardly you need information on it because it's still an open case. But there was a couple that was killed out there and they were parking.

27:50 Sounds like the beginning of the horror story of a horror movie. But they were parking out there and they didn't come back. People went looking for them, and this was I think think this was either eighty six. I think it was nineteen eighty six. When they found him. The man was tossed over in the brush and depending on what story you get, either his head was turned around backwards or he was bent in half backwards, okay, and just tossed over in the brush. The woman had been she was spreading on the hood of the car. She had been brutalized in a way that pore her from standa stern. She was also disembowled. Okay, so for years and years people blamed Bigfoot on that because of what the strength that it had to have to do this.

28:44 We had it remote viewed and depending on how much credit you put into the remote viewing phenomenon, what we got back. The information we got back on that was that it was a cult activity, and that goes into some weird stuff because you start talking about people turning into vampires and wear wolves and all that kind of stuff. At certain levels, it's a deep rabbit hole. But that's what they picked up on. And that was Jessica Jones that did that for us. She's very skilled, very skilled. I had a time loss incident and she in Brown Springs an the one was weird things that happened when I was out there doing research, and it's she remo viewed that for me and she came back with some weird stuff and that was pretty much verified through a psychic medium that I'm with that i'm that i'm that I work with told me the same thing and didn't even know who I was at the time, didn't know that I had anything. I had talked to Jessica about this or anything, okay, and told me the same thing that Jessica had told me. So that's you know that us in chills up your spine.

30:03 Big for a society who will be right back after these messages. If you don't want to be that guy and you don't want to be that person that was abducted and that's what they say happened. I don't know about all that. I'm still in denial about it really, but it's when you start talking about that kind of stuff and we run across so much weird things. There's odd stuff out there, not really paranormal or Bigfoot related, but just natural stuff.

30:45 We find clothes that are folded out there, yeah, out in the middle of the woods. And then of course then you get into the paranormal aspect of things. But we've had that happen. We've been there's been twelve fifteen, you know, was sitting around camp and we've got a woman to laughing in the woods on both sides of camp. From time to time. It's just you get you record weird whistles, you got disembodied voices, all kinds of stuff that we pulled out and but there was there I had taken a paranormal team up there with me at one point, and it was me and a BUDDYMM Bob, and then Amy Laney and her husband Cody, and they were in his truck and me and Bobara in my truck and they wanted to go to the cemetery one night.

31:27 Not I was gonna take them up there. We put to where you parked right there at the spring, and then we didn't even have a chance to get out of our truck and we were surrounded by five cop cars. There was three share S deputies and two tribal police. Okay, and so we gingerly get out of the truck because we didn't know what was going on. And the lead officer I took charge whatever he was a tribal officer. He goes, what are y'all doing out here? And ocker end and he goes, a y'all out here bigfoot and I said yeah, I said, we're the crypto guys, and that's the paranormal team. I'm going to pick them up centery and we started talking. I spent about forty five minutes talking to these officers, and everybody's heard about everybody's heard about the tiger king in Oklahoma. He had a tiger sanctuary or big cat sanctuary, and then he got thrown in jails and they took it over and closed it down. That original place was about forty miles from where I'd do my research. When they closed it down, he went away and they reopened that They moved it to within a mile and a half two miles from my research area. Okay. When they got shut down and the authorities came in, there were seventeen, I mean seventeen big cats and tigers that were unaccounted for. Okay, so these officers start telling us. They asked us if we're armed, and we weren't at the time, and I said, we

32:57 got back at camp, which is what's Jason McLean and he can speak to this when you talk to him. He was back at camp and he had his pistol and he had his own little experience that night too, and he's like, we encourage our bady to carry a sight on here, you know, and there are there's drug activity in the place, there's a cold activity in the place. It's a protection. But he said, we've had tiger sightings. And this is how I found out about the whole tiger king situation. This these officers told me that. He said, we've had reported tiger sidings in the area, so we encourage everybody to carry a side arm. I'm like, tigers, like, we don't have enough to do this. But I get to talking to him and normally this doesn't happen. They got to tell me that two of their officers big foot sightings right there in that area. How often do you how often do you get a chance for indigenous people's law enforcement to open up to you and tell you this time stuff? And when the officers also told me that he'd had a paranormal experience in this intery when he was younger. So there's a lot of stuff that goes on out there. It's not just bigfoot. The place is, like I say, got a very dark history there.

34:12 A bought a bad juju out there. You have to be prepared to deal with that when you go out there, especially like when I go out there by myself. So Texas, this is this is some heavy stuff. Man. I had no idea what we were getting into with this brown springs there, and guys, I don't know if I would go to this area without the proper people that knew what they were doing, especially if there's tigers out there, my. Goodness, and it's and tigers aren't the only thing you gotta worry about, that's just the newest thing. Honestly, you've got the biggest concern out there. There's two big, huge concerns out there. And that's really the reason that we all started packing, we all started carrying out there was really not just the tigers. It's there's a huge feral pig population out there. And and also you have the great North American myth head population because you run into which is unfortunate, but it's part of what you have to deal with, you know. And then when you throw the occult activity on top of everything, and you got the tigers, and you got the occasional bear, the least of my worries are the Bigfoot. Honestly, folks, if you've ever been camping out in the middle of nowhere, these state parks and wildlife refuges and national parks, odds are odds are you've had these things have been around you and you just didn't know it. One of my favorite things is for somebody to walk away up and hunting

35:44 fifty years I've never seen one where you looking for or were you paying attention to that ten point buck that you were trying to get a shot on that you've been baiting for a year. Oh wait a minute, let buck walk behind you and you never saw him. Oh but you've never seen Bigfoot. Okay, Yeah, that's understandable. Exactly, Man, this area And I'm not a video game guy because I don't have the time, but it feels like, Man, if they wanted to make a grand theft auto down there, it'd be the perfect area. You got all the weird stuff, it'd be a crazy game area. But how you've got all this stuff in this area, So there's a lot going on in How big approximately is this area to contain all this like cult stuff, Bigfoot, tiger escapees, all this wild stuff.

36:37 Oh it's thousands of akers, okay, thousands of akers. And the thing about it is some of it's so thick that you're not going to go further. It's it takes you if you're going to go anywhere in the thing. And that's what a lot of people don't understand. A lot of people that have never been out in the brush. Okay, when you talk about walking through the woods. You're talking about a manicured area by a state park. You're talking about walk through the trails, walk down these trails that's been laid out for you and everything, go out and no, don't do not. I'm sorry I said that, do not go out in the brush off trail because you don't know what you're doing. And it's like you said, don't go to these places unless you're wish somebody who knows what they're doing, or you know what you're doing. I cannot tell you how many people go out there with a bottle of water. And that's it. That's where we run into a whole missing fool on one phenomenon that that's going on. There's no one, there's no one reason for that stuff happening. It's a smorgashboard of things that happened, number one being human error, in vrogance, and stupidity are cryptos on the list. Absolutely. Are there other nefarious things. Absolutely, But you can't blame it on one thing. I just can't do it. But nine times out of ten, it's just stupidity, it's ill preparedness, it's ignorance.

38:09 Looking at one, I'm going to make one more tiger comic. Can you imagine going around the corner in this area and you see a tiger in a big foot and a knockdown drag out just all war. It could happen, like they could be having to battle each other for food source in this area. Absolutely absolutely, and it may have happened. It wouldn't surprise me if it had. Have. I seen it and I heard it now. But if you ask Jason, I've ran it. I've had a tiger Kin camera out there, and it took place a few years before we ran into this policemen.

38:54 I was up there, in fact that it was my first time that I had ever been out there, so low. I shot my mouth off on a show one night, and I said, because everybody's talking about how spooky this place was and how they wouldn't go out there, I'm like, why, it's just you, just it's woods. I've been doing this all my life. What's the difference. So I said, I'll do I'll do it. I did it. I went out there by myself when I was about ten thirty at nine eleven thirty nine something like that, and I drove up there, Like I said, this first time I ever driven up there by myself, and I went I was I said, I'll go to the cemetery by myself. And everybody was like, Oh, don't do that, You're crazy, blah blah blah and whatever. I go up there and I get out of my truck and I'm hearing footfalls all around me in the trees, and I heard a couple of whoops over to my right, and I'm like, I had the feeling I was surrounded, right, And I'm like, maybe this wasn't the brightest idea I ever had. Right, So I get back in my truck. I drive up here.

39:57 You didn't at that point in time, you do didn't even have cell service down there, And all I had with me was a little pen like like my pocket knife and my phone. That's all I happened because I wasn't gonna be I knew where I'd been there, I knew where I was going, I knew the there and all that kind of stuff. But I drive up where I've got cell service. I'm interviewed, phone calls, people are telling me I don't need to do this, and all this kind of stuff. Said No, I said, I was gonna do it. I'm gonna do it. So I drove back down, and I could still hear some footfalls, but it wasn't as intense feeling as it was the first time i'd been there, not an hour before. And I decided, Okay, I'm gonna go ahead and do this, pardon me. And so I start walking up the trail and I've got I've got my voice recorder running on my phone. I start walking up the trail and you hear me say, oh, I just heard a little growl over here to my left, and it had a little pert to it. And you got to remember, this is before we ever found out photographer, right, So I'm banging that something else, right, And so I get up to the top of the cemetery the and when when you get to the top of the trail, right there the top cemetery, there's an old tree and a grave right behind it, and that's the first grave in the cemetery, and that's the youngest grave in the cemetery.

41:23 So I'm standing there and I'm looking around like it's a little pin lot with me. And I turn around and I look over my left shoulder and I catch some ice shine in the trees. And what was peculiar about this eye shine. Now, I'm not one to panic about eye shine, because if you're out in the woods, you're gonna get ay shine. It's gonna happen, right, But this eye shine was different. The eyes we walk they were about big around of silver dollars and had about eight eight inches between them, six to eight something like that answes between them. That's big, okay, And it's about I don't know, three feet off or so. I'm like, oh, this is cool. It starts like playing peekaboo behind a tree with the type thing, and I'm like, oh, this is cool. This is what I came here for. I'm thinking it's a bigfoot. I'm hoping right, because I'm going through my head trying to figure out what else could be this, This could be natural what we call natural normal.

42:23 The only thing I could come up only two things I could come up with is it's either a horse laying now or a cow laying down right with that much out spread between the eyes and that big around. But I'm thinking, okay, hate might me be looking at a big foot, right, and I'm thinking this is cool. Then it stood up, and when it stood up, it moved forward to you know how you're squatting down and when you stand up, most of the time you'll take a step forward, you know, when you stand up, that's kind of moved. That's what it looked like. And when it got about my hind, I decided it was on the back out, so I walked back down. I got my truck and I left. I did what I said I was going to do. But that got the ball roller.

43:08 It didn't scare me off or nothing like that. It's uh. And there's other stuff that happened to me when I was a young man that you know, maybe we can get into, maybe we can't. And encounter that I had that I guess tempered me for what I do now, I guess. But anyway, So if you asked Jason, that was a tiger that I ran into. If you ask me, I'm not so sure. It could have been a tiger, could have been a bigfoot. I don't know. It could have been something else. That's why you were lucky that night, for sure. M M yeah, probably, yeah, I'll use one of my nine lives. I'm sure.

43:48 Absolutely, something that I'm noticing while I'm looking. I always have a map pulled up while I do these and right. I'm noticing that. Another area that I've gotten a lot of weird stuff from is you've got Lake Texoma just to the east of this area. Yes, there's a lot of weird. Dude. I used to make I would do uh story videos over on TikTok about a year ago, and I got a lot of people reaching out about Lake Texoma. And it wasn't just bigfoot stuff. It was and we had dog man stuff. We had there's a big outbreak of people seeing this like pale, white, skinny creature like a pale crawler sometimes it's called and there are Yeah, just that area is nuts.

44:38 Yeah that that that whole Red River Basin is. It's kind of like the Sofa River Basin too in Texas. Both of those areas are just inundated with encounters and stories that you'll hear with all kinds of entities. Brown Springs too, Brown Springs has got the I've got a picture that was taken by a researcher years ago. He's passed now that appears to be Cata and like up in the cemetery. Big for a society who will be right back after these messages.

45:29 There's also a picture that I've out of his that appears to be a big foot laying down on its belly behind a bible oar fanc right there in the cemetery. These places are no stranger to the stuff that we talk about. And I don't know, and I know a lot of people talk about the whole orb phenomenon and everything like that, and we've had some strange occurrences like that we caught something on thermal that we can't explain, and it's what do you do with it? I had about a thirty minute conversation with the guy that runs Skinwalker Ranch and we weren't on camera and nothing. It's just a private conversation and Thomas the manager over there, and because I wanted to get him away and talk to him in private, and me and him had a conversation because I run into a lot of the same stuff, a lot of the safe mom can get a lot of the same readings that they do. Okay, So my first question to him was have you figured out a way to determine what's physical and what's paranormal that you're running into? After about a ten minute rant, his short answer was, now, so they're having the same issue we are.

46:46 Oh, that's bonkers. That's Thomas Winterton from out there and Skinwalker I believe you're referring to. That's pretty cool you were able to chat with him about that. That is so wild. I there's something that you had shared wait earlier, and I want to make sure that I want to get into that for a little bit. And you're talking about what you saw in that wheat field. Now, you said you saw it for a few steps where you got to see pretty much a lot of whatever that creature was. Did you do you remember any details of what you saw that when you think back on them, you're like, Wow, what I was seeing was definitely a bigfoot rather than a person.

47:32 Oh yeah, absolutely. Unless there was an eight foot tall basketball player built person wearing a black hairy suit running through a wheat field in the middle of freaking South Oklahoma. Well, I don't know what else it could have been, because, like I said, the wheat field, the wheat we measure it is four feet tall. Okay. I could see him from the waist up until he hit the fire break. That puts him at eight feet right. That's the math I work on anyway. And then when he hit the fire break, that's mowed around the field. I saw him head to toe for about two or three steps. But he was not this big, massive, bulky thing that we hear so much about, like the paddy type creatures or the Ohio grassman. They're just massive. The ones that we have done here in the South tend to be a little smaller and leaner built. That's how this one was.

48:40 He was cut. He was solid black covered and the hair looks slick, very well groomed. Okay, he didn't have the conical head. He had the round head, which is not unusual. You see both, or we have reports of both. And the other one I saw him in my other daylight siding was completely opposite of this one as far as cope goes. It was almost weird, but and I saw him through my binoculars. But the grace in which these things move is phenomenal. They move like dancers because their head does not bob when they run, they walk, doesn't matter they any movement they make, they't They never lock their knees, so they have that natural shock absorber.

49:26 It's almost like he'sing a gimbal on a camera. It stabilizes the the rest their body and the ease with which they negotiate stuff that we had to pick our way through is just phenomenal. It's unbelievable. But yeah, and the proportions are different too on these critters too. It's just that they're just off the forearms seeing longer, they hang lower, their hands are lower on the leg than like a human would be. And they don't have as I don't know everybody talks about it, but it's true, they don't have their I think it's the trapeze muscles in the back. They're huge, so it appears they don't have a neck. It's not that they don't have a neck, it's just they have massive, freaking Trappeese muscles. And that's what that's what I saw. Yeah, so he wasn't like Arnold Schwarzer. Now he had a basketball player build, very muscular, but he was lean.

50:27 Thank you for sharing some more details about what you saw that day. You'd also have alluded to there was a sighting that you had as a younger man that really affected you, affected the rest of your life when it comes to this bigfoot phenomenon. Yeah, and I wish I could sit here and tell you it was a big foot, because it would be a heck of a lot easier to explain, but it wasn't. It was what everybody calls now a dog man. This was before the turned dog man was coined. I was sixteen years old now I'll be fifty eight in March. That was back when we were still riding on stone tablets. But I was And like I said earlier, I grew up doing all this stuff by myself. Maybe I might have my dog with me, or it might be riding a horse, but for the most part, I'd do all the camping and fishing and the trapping and the hunting and by myself. And that's what I had been doing.

51:23 I had been out rabbit hunting, and I was walking home, and I was going down white gravel road that bordered one side of our place. The sun hadn't went down yet, so I had plenty of daylight and I'm on a white gravel road. Anyway, walking down the road, I got two rabbits hanging off my belt and an empty fourteen That's what I had. Right this thing comes charging out of the brush on my left hand side. I don't know if I woke it up, if I pissed it off, I don't know. What happened. But he was in full stride and when he came out of the brush, I don't know if he was hunting something and I got in the way. I don't know, but he ran across the road in front of me, about twenty five thirty feet away, and I'm on foot, guys, okay, And the image I had frozen in my head, I'll never forget it, and I can sit down and draw a picture of it.

52:20 And I'm not a talented artist, but you can get there. Definitely get the idea. But he turned his head and he growled at me and stride and that's when you don't get me wrong. The whole thing was absolutely terrifying. But and much like when I was a kid and my cousin's surprises, I froze. And this thing was about seven and a half feet tall. I didn't think it was that tall when I for years. But later, just several years ago, I was walking, I was at work and I was walking through the building with a friend of mine. Huge guy. He was like six by sixty six, and that's where I put the height of this critter at okay, And we were talking about my encounter, and he goes well, text, how tall was this thing? And I told him, I said, I don't know about you're out there and maybe seven feet I don't know. I said, it wasn't no taller than the doorways right there, that doorway he goes, He put me, he literally put his hand on my chest, stopped and he goes, text those right foot doors. That's all crap. You're right. So he may have been about seven and a half feet tall, okay, but irregardless of how tall the thing was, he had that same build except that the Bigfoot had. But this was not Bigfoot. His coat was thinner, it was the

53:51 hair was longer, but it was you could see the skin underneath until you and except on like starting between his ears down his back, it wasn't down. It was like a mane that went down his back and the v across his shoulders. His ears were very catine like, and they were pinned back like if you if you had said a dog or a horse to pen those ears back, right, but getting getting ready to either fly fight or fight. There they're trying to decide what they're going to do. But they pinned them ears back for protection and it opens them up so they can hear stuff. His ears were pinned back and he snarled at me. That's what I remember. The eyes were very dog like.

54:36 They were brown. Okay. He didn't have this elongated snout. It was a shorter, blunter snout that he had. He didn't have this just mouthful of freaking gnarly looking teeth. They were just very canine looking. And the old there's an old wives tell that if you want to get a smart dog, get one. Look black in his mouth. Okay. When he crowded at me, when he snarled at me, it gave me a chance to see his gums and his tongue. They were both pink and black, modeled like a canine. Okay. He was very canine looking, and his hands were hit very His chest was like very big and it was very narrow at the hip, and his thighs were big. Okay. His hands were not human. They were not human. They were human esque, but they were also almost like a raccoon type hand. Also, so it's the cross. The skin underneath the hair was like a charcoal, and his coat was black with some gray in it, so he may have had some age to him. I don't know when it came down to his feet, and I know a lot of people that they talk about that backward facing left. Okay, they're dog legged, Sorry, folks, the biomechanics do not operate like that. They just will

56:06 not on a bipedal creature. You've seen dogs stand up walking behind legs. They're awkward. Okay, there's a reason that these things move, can move bipedally, but it's not awkward like a dog. And I tell you why. One is the hip, the hit placement is different the whole torso and the hips or everything. We're very human. Okay. I don't remember if he had a tail or not. I never draw it with a tail, so I assume you didn't have one. But what I noticed was he was up on his toes and his foot was as you go back towards the hill, which was off the ground, is just long and narrow. And I think that's what I'm not saying. They're not dog legged critters out there.

56:56 I'm not saying that there may be very well be, but I think a lot of it is misidentification when when people are looking at this, they see that heel that's brought up off of the ground and they're standing on their toes, which allows them just phenomenal speed and agility and balance. I think that's what people are seeing and they're thinking, oh, that's dog legged. No, it's really not. But when he ran across the road in front of me, and he dove over, and he was on two legs when he and when he dove over our five strand barb wire fence was about five feet tall. He dove over it. And when he dove over that fence and went down on the other side, he went down to all fours and it was a very smooth transition, didn't harold bones or tendons, creaking or snapping or anything like that.

57:49 And we have down here what we call love grass. It's just it's you see it in a lot of our fields out here. It's just a very tall, about three three and a half foot grass that covers pastures. It's a native grass. When he hit this and went down to all fours, I saw the grass move for a little bit and then he was gone. When at that point I had a decision to make. And I know this scenes when you're telling it, it seems very long and drawn out, but I'm trying to get as much detail as I can in here because I want people to understand my mindset and everything, because I was terrified.

58:30 But and I know this is weird. It's like I didn't get the sense that he wanted to kill me. He just he turned his head grind at me, like more of a you stay right where you are type thing, don't leave me alone, that type of thing. But I had a decision to make because I was fixing across the fence right there and take a short cut across our pastor and go home because our house set on the other side of our property, so I had her to I could either cross the fence and follow him into his tall grass, or I could stay on the road and take the long way home. And so I did. I walked up that road that's bordered one side of our place, across the teed and another road that was on the front of our place, and our driveway was on the opposite side. The whole walk is pretty much a blur. I don't remember a whole lot of it.

59:24 I do remember like turning that first corner and thinking to myself, I don't have anym I got a basically a free foot club. Maybe I'll get a swing at him if he comes at me, maybe you know, But then the rest of the walk is really just a blur. I was obviously, I was in shock. Now. I walked in the house, and we lived in a trailer house, and I walked in the back door, and I pretty much just fell into a kitchen chair and put my gun on the table. That was a big freaking mill in mind, no guns in the kitchen, much less I'm in kitchen freaking table. My mom was in the kitchen.

1:00:06 I don't remember what she was doing. She was doing dishes, she was cooking, doing something I don't know, and I guess she was going to turn around and scold me for get that gun out of my kitchen top then, But when she saw me, she says, so, what's wrong with you're white? Is a ghost big for society? Who would be right back? After these messages? And I tried with everything I had to tell her what was going on, what was wrong, what I'd seen.

1:00:52 Nothing would come out. I couldn't speak. My sister ledd next door to us, about forty yards away, and so she called my sister and she says, get over here, there's something wrong with your brother. My sister came over, and it took them to the better part of an hour to calm me down enough where I could speak and tell them what I encountered. If they didn't tell me I was They didn't tell me I was crazy. They didn't tell me I was lying. But they did try to maybe help me rationalize what i'd seen. Maybe I had been Maybe I saw something else and I maybe it was a big coality. Maybe it's a wolf. Maybe it was a homeless man what we called hobos back then, and it scared me and my imagination took over type of thing. But I stuck to my guns and my mom and my sister on that topic. They on those kinds of topics. Like I said, my family's from Texa, Canna. They grew up with this kind of stuff, right.

1:01:48 They never told me that I didn't see what I set U saw. They never told me I was crazy. They never told me I was lying. I had a very good support system, but we never talked about it a whole lot either. It did get brought up to the point to where we gave it a nickname, and I dealt with it in a humorous humor. That was my coping mechanism. But it set me back on my heels. For almost a year. I wouldn't go anywhere. I didn't get off the property. If I had to go to the barn, or I had to go feed or break ice out of a water drop or whatever. I went loaded for bear. I didn't take my little gun. I took my paths gone and I loaded it up right.

1:02:29 And so I became scared of the dark, which was totally unlike me here I am. Now, I'm sixteen years old, and I'm been camping and hunting, fishing and trapping all this stuff all my line by myself. When and we had what's called a lot of people be come a booger light. It's basically a street lamp on your property. It's the only light we had out there. I remember we had twenty acres. There was another other light, right, But if I had to go to my sister's house or my or back from my sister's house and it was dark, it was a dead run. I went through this for about I don't know, like I said, a better part of a year, and I got mad because I felt like I was being bullied. I wouldn't I couldn't go anywhere that type of thing, and I said, I'm not gonna let this happen. I started going out, taking baby steps, going a little further further, go camp in the backyard, go camping a pasture, this, that type of thing. And I finally got back to doing what I was doing, okay, And I was going to this place that I hunted that in fact, the place I was coming from when I had when I saw this day and I was just about to jump over the fence on this property that I was able to hunt and was very thick. You had to travel the game trails, but just this hunting was phenomenal there. And I heard something or somebody walking in the trees and I couldn't see them. And there was a set of twins that

1:04:01 I went to school with and they lived on the other side of this twelve hundred acres and we all hunted this place, so I thought maybe it was them. So I hollered out, hey, who's out there, and this thing, whatever it was, it stopped. I said, Hey, if that's somebody out there, let me know. And the just shiped this weight. I said, Hey, look, David, Doug, that one of y'all give me shout, man, just ship this weight. I said, look, I said, if you don't say something, I'm going a fire. Well that's what I did, and probably not the smartest decision I've ever made. That I popped around off up in the air, and that's when all hell brookly was. This thing came charging through the trees.

1:04:42 It sounded like a bull. It was breaking branches the whole nine yards. And I'll be honest with you, man, I didn't want to see it. I tuck tail and I ran the entire way back home, which is about mile. Never looked back, never looked back. If this thing was fixing and snatched me up, maybe I didn't want to about it. And about a year before my first sighting with that thing, we'd had a dog that went that went missing. In the horse country. You have several dogs and they all live outside, but one of them went missing and we found the only way we found him was are smelling it. We started smelling and so he was under the house. It's not going to go in there and get him. So I got a crawl on and get him. So I drugged him out. And it literally looks something like somebody and I know this is this is brutal and it's sad and it's disturbing. I'm just being honest with you. It looked like somebody held him by his front legs and just gutted him. And my dad and this is before I saw anything and counted anything or anything like that. My dad told me it looks like he probably got into it with a bobcat crawled up in that. Okay, the perfectly good explanation for me. Dad knows more than not. And there was always reports of animals going missing, pets going missing, fowls and calves and everything else could tour up or go and missing that type of thing, chickens, you name it, and everybody. It was always blamed on either a big cat mountain lion, which they did come through the area

1:06:12 on the rare occasion, or this mysterious pack of wild dogs. But me or any of my friends that trumped out in the woods ever saw. We never saw this mysterious pack of wild dogs. Never heard them. Nothing Caldings, absolutely, but this mysterious pack of wild dogs that would just tear these animals to pieces, and we never saw, you know, anyway. So yeah, there's that text that that is probably one of the most intense accounts that has been on this podcast so far. Thank you for sharing something that is it's got to be that. I can't imagine having to recall that and just share something like that, so I appreciate you sharing it on the show. Would you ever, if you had the choice between the two, what would you rather encounter out in the field? Bigfoot or a dog man.

1:07:26 I've encountered bigfoot. I've seen plaster in today. I've seen three or four times at night. I've had multiple encounters that I didn't see, but I'm pretty sure it was him. But the dog man I've only seen once, and honestly, I still question what I saw, and I think everybody does when they have these encounters, even bigfoot encounters. But that dog man thing, it's so different physical, the physiology, biomechanics that have to exist for this stuff to work. It's easier for people to believe that a bigfoot existed in you freaking werewolf And that's the only thing I knew to call him. When I was age, I saw werewolf.

1:08:06 I was a dog man. I didn't even know the time then, but I'd like to see one again. If I had my brothers, I'd rather run into a big Foot of course, But on a personal level, I'd like to see another I'd like to see another dog man or whatever. That thing was just for verification, just for validation on my part. But because you questioned, can freaking question your sanity? Man? You know much less talk about it. I didn't talk about that thing for years. Eight years ago is when I went public for this, And that's that's that channel that I was talking about where I told my first encounter. This is the encounter that I told first time I went public about it. And where are we now? If you'd have told me then I'd be talking to you on the phone or doing my own show about all this weird stuff going on out and looking for big foot and stuff. What have told you? Your nuts?

1:09:05 But here I am. But people need to know. People needn't know that they're not crazy, that they're not alone, that they have a safe place to go and not be judged. I don't care what you I don't care what. I don't care if you mind speak to these things. I don't care if you think they're an eight or the dog man is a misidentified big f I don't care. But people need a safe place to share their encounters and not be judged. And because you don't, you very seldom have a support system like I did. It's not like we sit around talked about it all the time. But they didn't accuse me of stuff either, because when you come out of that proverbial bigfoot closet or cryptic closet or even the paranormal or UFO closet, as far as that goes, UFO is maybe not so much anymore because that's a whole nother show. Man.

1:09:54 Oh I know it it is. But yeah, but you get ridiculed, you lose credibility. I know it happened to me. I had people that I worked with that had known for fifteen twenty years, and when I came out of the closet and this stuff, my credibility was shot. So I understand what people go through. I really do. And I don't care if you want to contact me or you or whatever, because I know you you're the same as I am. Absolutely, just because you contact me with your encounter doesn't mean I'm gonna you always. If you're going to talk about contact me, you have to be on the show now. If you're having if you're having problems, if you're having, if you're suffering from PTSD for lack of a better term, but if you're traumatized by these encounters, or if you're trying to wrap your mind right and you ain't got nobody to talk to, reach out to any of us, because if you just want to bend in air, we're there.

1:10:55 If you want to get out there and make it public, by all means, will do that, and we'll give you a safe place to do it, to throw your name all over in your location, all over the places. We're gonna protect you. But people need that, they deserve it because these encounters. And I know I'm getting my mo soap box and I'm passionate about this. People need a place to go. We're not therapist by any means, but hey, I'll sit down and talk to you all you. Want, absolutely, And the cool thing about Texas Front Porch and I think this might even be a good time for you to share about your show a little bit if you don't mind. Is you're not just talking about Bigfoot, You're talking about other things as well.

1:11:37 Right, Oh, Absolutely, we go all over the map, and I primarily have a YouTube channel, but I'm also out there on every Patience Podcast. We're out there and it's not just me. I have a whole network. I had a team. We call ourselves an Island and miss Bit Toys because that's how you feel when you're in this community and you have these experiences. And so I have so many people that I'm blessed to have as part of my team, and I can't I say my team, and I don't really don't look at it that way. A lot of us, most of them referred to it as the porch crew. We're more than that. You've got the Bonds and Booze their channel. You've got Donicho says stuff.

1:12:22 You've got Danielle Diva, a phenomenal person. Monica Rowlins, you might recognize that name was Yeah, she was on the first seasonal Monster Quest. She's part of our team. Jason MacLean is part of our team. Bigfoot Michigan Rob one of the few, one of the few people that I know that actually saw a bigfoot and saw it. Vocalized at him. It's we. Randy Gilbert. We we lovingly call him our tech troll. But I've known him for forty plus years. When I talked about none of us saw the mysterious pack of wild dog that tore everything up.

1:13:08 Randy was I spent time out in the wise was Randy. So it's like growing up together. So it's we have all these people in this network and Brent Thomas, paranor a portal. There's something about this group that we've all managed to get together that's different because we don't all believe the same thing. We don't all think along the same lines, and we have different belief systems. One of our trackers, I call him Pops. We have that kind of relationship. He's out in the field with me almost every time I go. He has a different he has a completely different belief system in what these creatures are capable of that I do. But it doesn't matter because if it doesn't have to get along, we don't have to believe all the same things. Because if we're not open mind or enough to at least go, what if I don't care what kind of what camp you're in, so not willing to do that, we're gonna be stuck in the same place where you have been for the last fifty years. Absolutely, we got to learn from each other.

1:14:15 We've got to learn from each other. We've got to work together. No, that that's good stuff, man. And the cool thing on top of that is you're involved with a upcoming conference coming up later this year in twenty twenty five where people all you guys are or i'd say a good number you guys are going to be at that conference. Right. Oh, we're all going to be there, every one unless something happens is Locke gets in a way, but we're planning everybody being there. Yeah, And it's a huge deal to our first conference we've ever put on. I'm excited about it. We call it the Crossing Realms Conference, and it's September nineteenth and twentieth and at the Eagleton Civic Center in Richmond, Missouri, and you can get your tickets on it.

1:15:04 Big for society. Who will be right back after these messages, m Bright. The here's the list of speakers that we have. Josh Hurd with Melbourne. He's at the Melbourne Manor. He's a filmmaker, author and lecturer and investigator and hold on you RNs. Yeah, Professor HEATHERN. Moser from Small Town Monsters is going to be there. She's going to be speaking with Ron Murphy. So they're going to be speaking together by the Fae.

1:15:46 We also have William Munsbord, which is famous for doing his work on with the Boggy Creek Monster in a Sultwa River basin. It's a great guy. Oh my gosh, he's such a sweet man. We also have Lady an Seline, which is she's an author and researcher. One of my one that I'm really looking forward to and I really shouldn't say the SISI U pick favorites Doctor Dean berchram Allah Dean to death. He's gonna be talking about the UFO stuff. So we got Bigfoot, we got the UFO's, we got the Fayet and then we've got Greg Ogels and he's filmmaker and researcher. He's doing a lot of stuff and he's fixing to do a documentary out on We're getting together and he's we're in the middle of a dog Man investigation as we speak. We had a couple of trips out there. Yeah, we made a couple of trips out to this private land. It's two thousand acres of private land dated nobody lives on. So yeah, it's like a researcher scream. But he's gonna come down and we were supposed to be out there right now and we had all this weather come in. But he's gonna come out and film the documentary out there. Frank Campbellletta and Dan Klein jogging recognize those names from the han and Garage. They're showing up speak and they're bringing a haunted car. How cool is that?

1:17:03 Right, hated car? Yeah? Oh yeah, Sir Brian Bowden's going to be there. Really and yeah, I am so mad I can't get to this conference now. He's from New York, right, yeah, I. Believe so Ah, dude, Miguel Ramirez from Sasquash Studio. Yeah, yeah, he's gonna speak. He's gonna be out there. He's gonna speak. Special guest people are just gonna be there. Get this, Ken Gerhart, Dana Stricker, Brent Thomas, Ryan Edwards, Mike Familiant, Christopher Garrettano, Linda Eastburn, David Glidden, and Daniel Stedman from dog Man Diaries, which I shared my first experience with.

1:17:49 We finally we got back until we lost touch for a lot of years. We got back in touch and she agreed to come as a special guest. And then of course it's hosted by the holl of the Misspent Toys, which is myself, Brady Christa from Blonds and Booze. You got Monica Rollins on our Paranormal World. Well, you got Paul from Paranormal among Us, Damiel Diva with the Diva Dimension, and also tea time with Duchess Diva. She's an actual duchess by the way it goes. I'll tell you something really cool about her. Her great uncle was Laudian Paler Oh wow, yeah, thanks, Yeah, And some really cool stuff about Brandy and Christo with Blonds and Booze. They all get a chance to go check them out. They've been paranormal investigators for years. They've been involved in private demonic cases.

1:18:41 They've been in the whole nine yards. Brandy had her first book Foo Sighting with Me in Brown Springs. Yeah, and that they've done some awesome workout at LBL with Craig Ogels and then I just got some and they's just a wealth of knowledge when it comes to paranormal sign of things. It's just they are such a great and I hate to say this, but it's it's true. There's such a great asset to have. They're great tools in our tool belt with their knowledge and everything, because I was doing a whole lot of things wrong when it come on the paranormal side and they set me straight. Lines Speakfoot Michigan, Rob Randy, Randy Portetrol, Donnie Joe, and Jason McLean. That's who you're That's who's hosted. Our sponsors want two of our sponsors are Doug Hotcheck. Yeah, and also Marylynn Bass with Peril with a Normal and she's actually doing a separate gallery reading that weekend. Let me run down the activities of the weekend. It is a full weekend. Friday night is the meet and greet. Okay, that is when you're going to get sit down and eat with all these speakers and all these special guests while while Miguel gets up there and speaks during dinner.

1:20:01 Then after dinner, Chris Garretano is going to show his new film. That's Friday night. Saturday is the conference. That's when all the speakers you're gonna spreak. After the conference, that's when we have the gallery reading. It's just in the vending area now. Oh and Saturday night a ghost hunt at the Ray County Museum which is right there on site. And all this benefits the Ray Counting Museum. They're having a ghost hunt. And what's really cool about this ghost hunt. Normally you go to a conference, you watch the speakers, you watch the speakers, you may get to eat with them, and that's pretty much it. Right, No, all the special guests, all the speakers are gonna be on the ghost hunt. Unfortunately, the ghost hunt is sold out, sold out, but the vendor area is going to be open to the public for free. All these special guests and all the speakers are going to be represent and they're all gonna have people set up.

1:21:01 That's huge. So it's just gonna be a huge weekend. If you don't have the money to pay for the tickets for the conference, go just walking around the vending area is a chance. If you're trying to start out and meet people and hob knob and network, you couldn't ask for a better place. This is the who's who of the Bigfoot, paranormal and UFO world all spots. I'm gonna I'm gonna amp it up for a little bit. A good thing to know about this is it's right outside of Kansas City, so Midwesterners like myself, if you can, it's you know how easy it is to get to Kansas City or to fly into It's not that far of a drive to where this place is outside of Kansas City. Also, people like Heather Moser, they don't get out here in the Midwest hardly evers. You definitely want to make sure that I'll have links in the show notes where you can pick up tickets and all that good stuff. But man, this is it's probably going to be one of the top conferences of twenty twenty five.

1:22:05 I would say, wow, thank you so much, thank you. It's a labor of love, that's for sure. Oh, I know these conferences they take a lot of work, but it's definitely worth the connections that the people that are going to meet. Just like Sasquatch Summer fested Out and Oakridge, this is going to be one of the same the people that are going to meet is going to change a lot of stuff in the future. Well, what's the best way for people to reach out to you, Like if they want to report something to you about Bround springs or things like that, I want to make sure that we get that in there. Better way to get a hold of these my email. But the Channel does have a phone number and it's out there. Just just go the channel it's listed in how to get a hold of it. But my email is PARACRYPTI encounters at gmail dot com. Perfect, So I just yeah, I got some wordplay there. I combined paranormal encryptis.

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