Jan. 21, 2025

You Don't Mess Around Here! | Brown Springs, Oklahoma

Join the Bigfoot Society for an exclusive interview with Tex from Tex's Front Porch. Tex shares his years of experience and close encounters with Bigfoot and Dogman in the notorious Brown Springs area along the Texas-Oklahoma border. Listen in as Tex...

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Season 1

Join the Bigfoot Society for an exclusive interview with Tex from Tex's Front Porch. Tex shares his years of experience and close encounters with Bigfoot and Dogman in the notorious Brown Springs area along the Texas-Oklahoma border. Listen in as Tex recounts a lifetime of fascinating and terrifying events, from childhood adventures hunting the Boggy Creek monster, to a thrilling daylight sighting of a mysterious creature in a wheat field, and a chilling confrontation with a Dogman as a teenager. Discover the unexplained phenomena, including physical evidence such as handprints and strange encounters with law enforcement detailing Bigfoot sightings. Learn about his unique solo research approach in the highly active and dangerous Brown Springs area, where the dangers include not only cryptid encounters but feral pigs, cult activities, and even escaped tigers. Tex also discusses his upcoming conference, the Crossing Realms Conference, featuring a myriad of speakers on Bigfoot, UFOs, and the paranormal. This episode is packed with mind-bending stories and deep insights into the world of cryptid research.

Resources:

Tex's Front Porch Youtube channel - https://www.youtube.com/@TEXSFRONTPORCH/featured

Crossing Realms Conference - https://www.eventbrite.com/e/crossing-realms-conference-tickets-1086549913039

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slash the Big for Society, and now let's get on

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with the show. At Big for Society, We've got the

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privilege of talking to an individual I've been trying to

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get on the show, and finally we were able to

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get it to work out. I've got texts from Texas

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front porch on the show. You might also know I'm

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as tex Wesson, but text I'm excited to have you on.

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Your name comes up every once in a while different interviews.

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I'm like, man, I got to get the guy himself

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on here. So how's it going today?

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Man, oh, I can't complain if anybody wouldn't be legal.

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It's I'm glad we finally got together because it's, like

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you said, it's been a long time coming. So I'm

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glad we finally got it worked out.

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Absolutely. I don't even know if this episode's out yet.

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It might be out soon, but just talk to Ryan

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Edwards and he he had mentioned your name a few

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times about there was a little expedition that happened up

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on the Texas Boarder and that might come come up

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later in the interview. Tex I like to start at

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the beginning and regarding Bigfoot. What was it that got

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you into this whole Bigfoot phenomenon to begin with?

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There? It's really it's almost a whole lockdown thing. Honestly,

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it's not. I'm not one of those guys that you know,

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had him encounter when he was a little bitty kid,

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and I love Bigfoot ever since you know the whole

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you hear a lot, you know, in search of and

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top thing. It wasn't like that for me. My family

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is from Texagnan, which is foul you know, Fouc area

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and which is the Boggy Creek Monster area. So I

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grew up hearing those stories, right, And I can remember

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even before, and I was kneehied or short frog when

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this happened. But I can remember me and all my

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little cousins when I go up there to visit. One

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story that real funny. We were all out in the

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backyard one night hunting the Boggy Creek monster with our

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little toy guns and everything. Right, there's like five or six.

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So was one of my older cousins. He was seventeen eighteen,

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and he was always a brankster. He goes out the

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front yard the front door, climbs up on the roof

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with a gorilla mask on, jumps down, comes, goes over

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the roof and jumps down in the middle of all

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of us screaming. It's like we scattered like a covey

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of quail. Except for me. I was not smart enough

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to run. I stood. I froze instead of pulling the

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trigger on a toy gunn thinking that's going to do

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any good. That doesn't speak the bravery, doesn't It speaks

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too stupidity if folks, you know, at a young age.

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So I grew up hearing all that stuff, and it's

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always it was always a fascination of mine that type

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of thing, and I had some stuff happen when I

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was a young man and then box that end and

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never talk about it, and we may talk about that later,

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but honestly, about eight years ago, I shared an encounter

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that I had for the first time in public on

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a young woman's channel. Her name is Daniel Steedman, and

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she liked the way I sounded. I don't know why,

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but anyway, she wanted me to do some voice work

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for it. Kind of started doing some voice work for

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and then that led into me and meeting another individual

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and I ended up co hosting his show for a

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couple of years. But he was an actual field investigator

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and up on the Red River, which is not too

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far from me. It's about an hour I liven't for worse,

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so it's about an hour away. So he invited me

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to come up there and do some research with him

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and first rattle out of the box. We get up

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there about eight thirty in the morning and we're parked

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on the edge of a hay field with a thin

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tree line between the hay field and the wheat field,

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and he's we pull up, I park my truck. He's

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getting his camera and stuff and all that kind of stuff. Ready,

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I'm just taking into the lay of land right, trying

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to pick out landmarks that type of thing. Get my

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bearing so I don't get lost down these river bottoms.

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And I'm looking through this tree line. Tree line is

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about I don't know, maybe five ten yards thick, and

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I'm looking into this wheat field. And then we at

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that point was four feet tall thereabouts, and about fifty

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yards away. This thing stands up in the middle of

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the wheat field. Black looks like he's going to cross

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the street, looks both ways, and takes off, running down

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into the bottoms. Now, I saw him from about the

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waist up until he hit the fire brake, and I

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saw him for about two steps at the doe, and

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I had no explanation for what I saw in fact,

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and my exact words were, I'm staying and I washing

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this thing, and because I'm out there, and he was like,

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he says, there's like three people have seen that thing,

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and I haven't seen it yet, and it's like there

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he went. So we went down into the river bottoms

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and cut we took it left and turned where it

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would take us across his path. And we start hearing

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something up on the ridge, like every once in a while,

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walking through the trees, and then we'll hear what some

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people claim as wood knocking, with some people claim his

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mouth popping. I think it probably is both. And then

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we'd go about another hundred yards and we'd hear it again,

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and then we just continued for a while. We theorized

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what was going on was this was a what everybody

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usually calls a sentinel or lookout, and we may have

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been we may have had a family group or a

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clan or whatever in front of us, and he was

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HEARDing them in front of us, so we wouldn't walk

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up on him. And we really didn't have anything else happened,

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But like you need anything else happening, right, that's plenty.

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So that's what kicked it off with me. After that,

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I was hooked and I started doing and I started

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doing research on my own, and so I started doing

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something that not a lot of people do. I'm not

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saying I'm the first one to do it. I'm not

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saying I'm the only one to do it, but a

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lot of people don't like doing what I do, and

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that's solo research. I would go out there and spend

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days and nights at a time by myself, and I found.

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What I found was one. This is the very active area.

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It's Brown Springs, Oklahoma. It's no secret. If you've been

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in the Bigfoot community for a while, you've heard about it.

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It's very notorious. Some of the most seasoned researchers have

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said they won't go out there during the day without

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a bunch of people, and they won't go out there

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at night at all. I don't know, but and it's

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nothing against them. I don't blame Okay, there's a lot

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of hinky stuff that goes on down it, But I

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guess it was the fact that I had grown up

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being out in the country and being isolated like you

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are when you live out in a rural area as

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a kid, you tend to do stuff either with a

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loan or with your dog that's your best friend. And

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that's what I did. Hunted, I finished, I trapped and

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just hiked and camped and everything. And I did a

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lot of it by myself. It wasn't no, it wasn't

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any big deal to me. I just was doing it

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to do it right. I just enjoyed being out there.

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But what I realized was that when you start, when

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you have an encounter, it opens your eyes and you're

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looking for stuff that you've never looked for. You're listening

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for stuff that you've never listened to work, And I

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realized that in a in an active area, these things

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are very curious. Where they're entertainment, where they're TV. We're

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their reality shows, right, So you don't have to go

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out in the middle of the woods going here. Just

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be yourself and if they're there, they're going to come

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check you out because they're very curious. Now, as far

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as a lot of people talk about, they talk about

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being marked or these things choose to let you see them,

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I can't speak to any of that. I don't know.

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I don't think any of us know. And that's one

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of the big problems that a lot of people claim

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to know, because a lot of people claim to communicate

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with these beings and I personally have not had that

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experience yet. I'm not saying it don't happen. I'm just

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saying I haven't had that experience. But what I have

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had is a lot of interaction with them. I've been

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cheeked to cheek with them. There was a thin my

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tent wall between the slicks. It's one of those things

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where once it happens, you usually act, usually react in

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one or two ways, and you either jump feet first

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into it or you never step flicked back in the woods. Again,

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there's really no in between with it that I've found,

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of course doing my show and talking to hundreds of people.

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And that's another thing that really drives what I do

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now is giving people a safe platform because you can't

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talk to every just anybody about these experiences that we have.

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You could. You may go years and years most of

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your life believing that something's out there, But once you

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cross that line into knowing that something's out there that's

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not supposed to exist, it's supposed to be a legend

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that there's a switch that flips and you either realize

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that you're not you're not number one in the woods. Okay,

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you're you are not at the top of the food chain. Now,

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I'm not saying these things are evil. I'm not saying

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they're vicious or anything like that. They're no different than

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different tribes of people. If Grandpa Bigfoot was shot and

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he's going to raise his plan to where they may

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not tolerate us as much. But there again, you hear

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stories of indigenous peoples having relationships with these beings and

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trading with them and learning from them and by vice versa.

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So I think it varies. It's no different than going

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down and paddling down to Congo, coming to a village,

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walking up in there and you're treated like a god.

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You're getting a you're fed of feast and all this

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kind of stuff, and you say your goodbyes, you get

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back in your little canoe and you go back down.

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You go about ten miles down the river. It's you know,

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the village, you walk in, you are at the feast.

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It's no different than that. These things can't be blamed

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for doing something. They can't be called evil just because

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they do what they do. They do. They do what

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they do to survive, and it's I think it's a

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fine line between and I think it has a lot

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to do with respect. If you go out there and

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you disrespect their house, that's what you're doing. Folks. You

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have to remember you got to lose this attitude of

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I planted by flag, I own this place. No, you do, nod,

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You do not own the land. You're in their living room.

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How would you act if somebody come in and just

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dumped a bunch of trash in your living room. Somebody's

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getting the butt whooping, right, it's the same thing. They're

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going to try to run you out. You always hear

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these stories about people being escorted out of the woods

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and that type of thing. Do you blame them? I

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wouldn't want us in there anyway. We're like locust. So

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it's something you have to go in there. And I

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think those sinse intent no different than a dog does,

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no different than a horse does. Those animals are perfectly

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a perfect judge as a character. Okay, I think as

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far as the intelligent level of these creatures, our critters,

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as I lovely call lovingly call them, they're on part

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with killer whales. And I get beat up every time

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I say that. I get beat up about it. Oh

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they're more, they're smarter than they killer. Well, you need

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to look at what you need to research killer whales,

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because you're talking about something an animal that is self aware,

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that grieves, hash funerals, mates for life, and teaches and

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adapts and strategizes. Look at the video of I think

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I can't remember if it's two or three orcas. They

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synchronize their attack and wash a sea lion off of

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a piece of ice so they can eat it, okay,

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And there's a lot of examples like that. When a

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different pod comes into their territory, they teach what they

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know to this other pod, they teach different hunting techniques.

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If you took all that I just said and instead

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of Orca curd of well you put big foot in

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front of it, you've got everything that everybody talks about

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these creatures doing. And so it's there's a lot more

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to the natural world than we think there is. And

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when I say the natural world, I think these beings,

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these careers have been a part of our natural world

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for eons. They're probably older than we are, and a

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lot of what we've learned through the thousands of years,

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tens of thousands of years, we can probably credit to them,

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either just by observing what they do or actually have

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interactions with them. So I know I went off on

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a tangent there, But getting back to the research aspect

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of it, if you want to call it, that, can

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we unless you're going out in the field and you're

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writing data down in your book and you're doing this,

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and you're doing that and it's hard to call it.

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For me, it's hard to call myself a researcher, if

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that makes sense. I'm an enthusiast. I guess you could

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say I'm out there for the experience. I get evidence

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and bring it to the table. Absolutely, we've pulled out

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some of the best physical evidence that's been pulled out

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of the field in years. We've got hand prints and

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full armed prints and elbow prints we pulled off of

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my truck and it has. We got the normal ridges

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and the fingerprints the whole nine yards.

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Big for society. Who will be right back after these messages?

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Was that around the Brown Springs area as well?

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Yeah, we identified what happened was I was doing a

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live show up in the cemetery. Brown Spring's got a

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famous cemetery. It sets up off the hill about one

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hundred yards. And what's one thing that's really neat about

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the cemetery. It's got a fresh water cold water spring

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that runs directly underneath it and bubbles out at the

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bottom of the cemetery where you park. Okay, and so

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you've got the Red River, which is got a hairy

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salt and it's got it's very salty for a fresh

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water body of water, but it's also got a lot

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it's muddy. It's called the Red River for a reason.

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And then you've got this fresh water, clear water spring

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that has been used by humans for years, and you've

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got it. It's and it's a it's a wildlife management area.

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You've got just mountains of prey out there for them.

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You've got wild plump tickets, you've got ponds, you've got walnuts,

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You've got all this kind of stuff. It's a perfect

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it's a perfect area. The only thing is you've also

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got the humans that run around out there. Okay, but

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they've gotten pretty good it not if they don't want

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to be seen, they're not seen. But anyway, I was

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doing a live show from a cemetery and my safety team,

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one of my trackers and his son was down at

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the bottom parking their truck. And so I'm up in

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the cemetery doing a live show. My phone dies that

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I'm doing the show on basic skudaddle up there to

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make sure I'm okay. In the rush to leave, they

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left the truck unlocked, the keys and commission and all

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of our electronics is sitting out there. Okay. They also

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had a bear proof. Yet a cooler in the back

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that was closed and locked. All right, are latched. They

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run up the hill, we find each other and it

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takes you about thirty minutes rust and we walk back down.

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When we get down there that these we got handprints

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all over both trucks. We identified three different sets of prints. Okay,

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the cooler had been opened and closed, but not lashed.

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There was water that was dribbled over the tailgate that

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looked like somebody had opened the chists chest and reached

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down and got scooped their hand in and got some

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water and just dribbled it over the tailgate. Water and ice,

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and the eyes hadn't melted yet, so that tells you something.

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Also on the one of the interesting things was on

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the top of his cab. There were two handprints on

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the top edge of his cab with water dripped down

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in between them. Now, being a man with a beard,

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this happens when you scoop water in your hands and

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get a drink, he does down your beard and drips.

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So if he's if this thing was leaning on the

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top of the cab, standing in the back of the

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truck had just gotten to drink out of the cooler.

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He's got water dripping out his beard directly between his handprints.

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Watching them walk run up the hill to get me.

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We pulled. We took photo of these. We didn't have

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any Unfortunately, we didn't have any clear tape to pull

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the prints with, but we did take pictures. They're very

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good pictures. Like I said that, you can actually see

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My favorite one is actually muttery, muddier than my truck. Okay,

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you can see it. What looks like that. It's just gorgeous.

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The forearm print is gorgeous. You can see the hair,

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and the handprint is is absolutely beautiful. You can The

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dermal ridges that are in the fingerprints are awesome. I've

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had it looked at my fingerprint experts on the law

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enforcement side of things and on the wildlife side of things.

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Every one of them tells me the same thing. I

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can't tell you what that is, but I can tell

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you it's not human because the dermal ridges on every human,

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I don't care who you are, swirl the dermal ridges

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on a primate or horizontal. These are horizontal. Another thing

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is every handprint was smaller than anybody on the team,

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and none of them are above like the edge of

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the back of the pickup or the hood of the pickup.

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They're all that hat there lower and it looks like

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they're reaching up. So whatever these things were, they were

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either squatting down or they were short. That left all

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this evidence.

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So that's really interesting. So do you think it may

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have been that you were dealing with some juveniles that day.

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Or that's what I think a lot of people have

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suggested that maybe it was the little people that type

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of thing. I don't know. I can't speak to that,

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but I think that we were looking at probably three

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juveniles that had come out of there's a little marshy

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area that the spring runs into across the road, and

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I think that they were in this little marshy area

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watching us, and when they lit out, they came in,

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poked around. There was nothing missing, There was no drinks

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missing out of the cooler, there was none of the

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electronics had been touched. Like I said, the keys were

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in the truck. If this had been humans, more than

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likely all that expensive equipment, no cannons around, nothing like that. Yeah,

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that's ez pickens, but that that's And when we pulled

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another handprint too, that one came from camp. We were.

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There was five or six of us, I think, sitting

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around campfire one night when we was talking and this

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was about two miles down the road from where these

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other we got these other handprints and this we were

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sitting around the campfire and when we had to pee.

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One of the guys had parked next to a gully

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that was on one side of the camp site is

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suv and when we wanted to pee, we just get

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up and go on the other side of his suv

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and p So he gets up and he does to

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go pee. He goes, hey, which one of you, sorry

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s obs, put your greasy handprint on my truck? Like,

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what are you talking about? Man? He goes, Man, come

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in and look at this. There's this handprint, huge handprint,

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bigger than anybody's there, bigger than I got pretty good sized. Pause,

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it dwarfed mine, but there it was, big, go greasy

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handprint towards the top of his suv. We did pull

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that one. That is in a bag frozen in his

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freezer where investigator different places to send it because you

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have to be very picky about that and it's very

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expensive to get DNA done. I'm sure everybody realizes that.

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So we're actually looking for some backing. Somebody's really interested

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in this, but we're not going to give them the

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full thing and just go here you go. We can't

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do that. But another thing is right where we had

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been and this was right where we'd been peeing was

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pretty much right below this, right, and I've got pictures

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of this too. Get beat up for not doing this,

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and what day you wanted? I didn't do what I'm

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about to say. Okay, so you can see where we

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were our little p marks, and right in the middle

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of it where we had been peeing is it's probably

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two foot in diameter wet spot. Right. It looks like

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this thing had just leaned against the suv watching us

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at the campfire and just cut loose right there. It's

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like a horse had took up the leak right there,

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right And we discussed this right there on the spot.

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Let's get a sample who we can get DNA. That'd

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be great, except that it had already been contaminated with us.

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So anytime you turn DNA in and they find human DNA,

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they toss it out. Oh, it's contaminated, So it would

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do no good to take anything. Even when they do

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come up with the other side of it, which is

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usually unknown primate. They use that human DNA is just

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to toss it out. So that's why. And I actually

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made the call on not taking samples of the dirt there,

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and I was like, we wouldn't do this any good.

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But we do have the handprint and it's frozen and it's

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got the oil from the hand on it. There are

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some studies going on with that kind of stuff, so

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we're hoping to get into that.

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That is. That's fascinating that you were able to sure

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that evidence and that you've got it in the freezer.

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Now you'd we mentioned before that this Brown Springs area

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is if you're in the bigfoot community, you've heard of it.

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It just has there's certain areas that have a certain

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lore to it. How far back has this area been

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known for bigfoot? Are there certain events that happened that

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really put it into the zeitgeist of Okay? This spot

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is wild for bigfoot stuff?

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Is there is? I mean for years and new years

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going back, there's been bigfoot stories coming out of southeast

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Oklahoma in the Red River area, Okay, all over all

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up and down the Red River. But Brown Springs has

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a very dark and notorious history to it. Anyway, it

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was a back in the day, it was a river

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crave it. That's where the river crossing was. That's where

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that freshwater spring was. People congregated there. The cemetery that

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sits on top of the hill that I was talking

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about on this death date there is nineteen twenty four,

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and from what we can determine, it originally started out

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as a burial noun for the Caddo people. Okay, this

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is way back when. Now the Chickasaw are there too,

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and you also got some chalk taw an all inment area.

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Right there was a gentleman called his last name is Love.

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The county is named Acriam. The wildlife management area right

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there where we go where Brown Springs is named Acriam.

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He's very well known. He was American Indian, right and

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he used that cemetery as his family cemetery, and then

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other folks used it as a community cemetery. And there

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was countless, countless incount of between the settlers and the

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Indians in that area. There's also you passed forward to

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history a little bit. The DFW, the Dallas Fort Worth

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Mafia used that area as a body dump there's also

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and there's that We filmed a little documentary down there

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one time, and two weeks after we filmed the documentary,

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there was a body found. So it's very it's still

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stranger to the dark side of things. It's known for

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a cult activity. We ran across some evidence of that

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that that's a story. We got surrounded by cops. One nay,

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and but there's a it's still an open case and

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you can't find out hardly you need information on it

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because it's still an open case. But there was a

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couple that was killed out there and they were parking.

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Sounds like the beginning of the horror story of a

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horror movie. But they were parking out there and they

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didn't come back. People went looking for them, and this

451
00:27:59.559 --> 00:28:01.920
was I think think this was either eighty six. I

452
00:28:01.920 --> 00:28:06.680
think it was nineteen eighty six. When they found him.

453
00:28:06.839 --> 00:28:09.480
The man was tossed over in the brush and depending

454
00:28:09.519 --> 00:28:13.480
on what story you get, either his head was turned

455
00:28:13.519 --> 00:28:16.519
around backwards or he was bent in half backwards, okay,

456
00:28:17.599 --> 00:28:20.720
and just tossed over in the brush. The woman had

457
00:28:20.759 --> 00:28:25.079
been she was spreading on the hood of the car.

458
00:28:25.720 --> 00:28:30.319
She had been brutalized in a way that pore her

459
00:28:30.359 --> 00:28:37.119
from standa stern. She was also disembowled. Okay, so for

460
00:28:37.319 --> 00:28:41.839
years and years people blamed Bigfoot on that because of

461
00:28:41.880 --> 00:28:43.920
what the strength that it had to have to do this.

462
00:28:44.640 --> 00:28:51.079
We had it remote viewed and depending on how much

463
00:28:51.799 --> 00:28:58.079
credit you put into the remote viewing phenomenon, what we

464
00:28:58.160 --> 00:29:00.839
got back. The information we got back on that was

465
00:29:01.000 --> 00:29:05.680
that it was a cult activity, and that goes into

466
00:29:05.799 --> 00:29:09.519
some weird stuff because you start talking about people turning

467
00:29:09.519 --> 00:29:12.160
into vampires and wear wolves and all that kind of stuff.

468
00:29:12.160 --> 00:29:17.000
At certain levels, it's a deep rabbit hole. But that's

469
00:29:17.039 --> 00:29:19.960
what they picked up on. And that was Jessica Jones

470
00:29:19.960 --> 00:29:22.759
that did that for us. She's very skilled, very skilled.

471
00:29:22.839 --> 00:29:25.720
I had a time loss incident and she in Brown

472
00:29:25.759 --> 00:29:27.880
Springs an the one was weird things that happened when

473
00:29:27.920 --> 00:29:31.960
I was out there doing research, and it's she remo

474
00:29:32.079 --> 00:29:35.599
viewed that for me and she came back with some

475
00:29:35.640 --> 00:29:40.880
weird stuff and that was pretty much verified through a

476
00:29:40.920 --> 00:29:43.440
psychic medium that I'm with that i'm that i'm that

477
00:29:43.559 --> 00:29:48.440
I work with told me the same thing and didn't

478
00:29:48.480 --> 00:29:50.759
even know who I was at the time, didn't know

479
00:29:51.720 --> 00:29:54.279
that I had anything. I had talked to Jessica about

480
00:29:54.279 --> 00:29:58.519
this or anything, okay, and told me the same thing

481
00:29:58.599 --> 00:30:01.680
that Jessica had told me. So that's you know that

482
00:30:02.039 --> 00:30:03.440
us in chills up your spine.

483
00:30:03.720 --> 00:30:05.720
Big for a society who will be right back after

484
00:30:05.759 --> 00:30:07.119
these messages.

485
00:30:22.480 --> 00:30:23.880
If you don't want to be that guy and you

486
00:30:23.880 --> 00:30:26.200
don't want to be that person that was abducted and

487
00:30:26.200 --> 00:30:28.079
that's what they say happened. I don't know about all that.

488
00:30:28.759 --> 00:30:33.960
I'm still in denial about it really, but it's when

489
00:30:33.960 --> 00:30:36.000
you start talking about that kind of stuff and we

490
00:30:36.119 --> 00:30:39.960
run across so much weird things. There's odd stuff out there,

491
00:30:40.160 --> 00:30:44.759
not really paranormal or Bigfoot related, but just natural stuff.

492
00:30:45.079 --> 00:30:49.079
We find clothes that are folded out there, yeah, out

493
00:30:49.119 --> 00:30:51.200
in the middle of the woods. And then of course

494
00:30:51.279 --> 00:30:54.160
then you get into the paranormal aspect of things. But

495
00:30:54.559 --> 00:30:57.720
we've had that happen. We've been there's been twelve fifteen,

496
00:30:57.720 --> 00:30:59.519
you know, was sitting around camp and we've got a

497
00:30:59.519 --> 00:31:02.119
woman to laughing in the woods on both sides of camp.

498
00:31:02.160 --> 00:31:04.880
From time to time. It's just you get you record

499
00:31:04.920 --> 00:31:08.440
weird whistles, you got disembodied voices, all kinds of stuff

500
00:31:08.440 --> 00:31:13.680
that we pulled out and but there was there I

501
00:31:13.680 --> 00:31:15.839
had taken a paranormal team up there with me at

502
00:31:15.839 --> 00:31:20.000
one point, and it was me and a BUDDYMM Bob,

503
00:31:20.119 --> 00:31:23.200
and then Amy Laney and her husband Cody, and they

504
00:31:23.200 --> 00:31:24.799
were in his truck and me and Bobara in my

505
00:31:24.839 --> 00:31:26.960
truck and they wanted to go to the cemetery one night.

506
00:31:27.039 --> 00:31:29.119
Not I was gonna take them up there. We put

507
00:31:29.160 --> 00:31:32.359
to where you parked right there at the spring, and

508
00:31:32.359 --> 00:31:34.200
then we didn't even have a chance to get out

509
00:31:34.200 --> 00:31:37.680
of our truck and we were surrounded by five cop cars.

510
00:31:38.079 --> 00:31:41.200
There was three share S deputies and two tribal police. Okay,

511
00:31:42.000 --> 00:31:46.640
and so we gingerly get out of the truck because

512
00:31:46.640 --> 00:31:50.279
we didn't know what was going on. And the lead

513
00:31:50.599 --> 00:31:54.200
officer I took charge whatever he was a tribal officer.

514
00:31:54.640 --> 00:31:57.400
He goes, what are y'all doing out here? And ocker

515
00:31:57.559 --> 00:32:01.359
end and he goes, a y'all out here bigfoot and

516
00:32:01.400 --> 00:32:04.160
I said yeah, I said, we're the crypto guys, and

517
00:32:04.200 --> 00:32:05.880
that's the paranormal team. I'm going to pick them up

518
00:32:05.880 --> 00:32:08.920
centery and we started talking. I spent about forty five

519
00:32:08.960 --> 00:32:16.480
minutes talking to these officers, and everybody's heard about everybody's

520
00:32:16.519 --> 00:32:19.920
heard about the tiger king in Oklahoma. He had a

521
00:32:20.039 --> 00:32:23.799
tiger sanctuary or big cat sanctuary, and then he got

522
00:32:23.799 --> 00:32:25.839
thrown in jails and they took it over and closed

523
00:32:25.839 --> 00:32:28.880
it down. That original place was about forty miles from

524
00:32:28.920 --> 00:32:31.799
where I'd do my research. When they closed it down,

525
00:32:31.839 --> 00:32:35.279
he went away and they reopened that They moved it

526
00:32:35.319 --> 00:32:37.039
to within a mile and a half two miles from

527
00:32:37.079 --> 00:32:41.440
my research area. Okay. When they got shut down and

528
00:32:42.000 --> 00:32:46.319
the authorities came in, there were seventeen, I mean seventeen

529
00:32:46.400 --> 00:32:51.079
big cats and tigers that were unaccounted for. Okay, so

530
00:32:51.880 --> 00:32:55.240
these officers start telling us. They asked us if we're armed,

531
00:32:55.240 --> 00:32:57.880
and we weren't at the time, and I said, we

532
00:32:57.960 --> 00:33:00.680
got back at camp, which is what's Jason McLean and

533
00:33:00.720 --> 00:33:03.160
he can speak to this when you talk to him.

534
00:33:03.599 --> 00:33:05.839
He was back at camp and he had his pistol

535
00:33:05.960 --> 00:33:08.440
and he had his own little experience that night too,

536
00:33:09.519 --> 00:33:14.200
and he's like, we encourage our bady to carry a

537
00:33:14.240 --> 00:33:18.119
sight on here, you know, and there are there's drug

538
00:33:18.160 --> 00:33:20.599
activity in the place, there's a cold activity in the place.

539
00:33:20.680 --> 00:33:25.079
It's a protection. But he said, we've had tiger sightings.

540
00:33:25.440 --> 00:33:27.279
And this is how I found out about the whole

541
00:33:27.319 --> 00:33:32.000
tiger king situation. This these officers told me that. He said,

542
00:33:32.279 --> 00:33:35.400
we've had reported tiger sidings in the area, so we

543
00:33:35.920 --> 00:33:39.400
encourage everybody to carry a side arm. I'm like, tigers, like,

544
00:33:39.440 --> 00:33:41.200
we don't have enough to do this. But I get

545
00:33:41.200 --> 00:33:46.119
to talking to him and normally this doesn't happen. They

546
00:33:46.680 --> 00:33:49.200
got to tell me that two of their officers big

547
00:33:49.240 --> 00:33:51.640
foot sightings right there in that area. How often do

548
00:33:51.680 --> 00:33:56.400
you how often do you get a chance for indigenous

549
00:33:56.400 --> 00:33:59.359
people's law enforcement to open up to you and tell

550
00:33:59.400 --> 00:34:01.480
you this time stuff? And when the officers also told

551
00:34:01.480 --> 00:34:03.839
me that he'd had a paranormal experience in this intery

552
00:34:03.880 --> 00:34:06.400
when he was younger. So there's a lot of stuff

553
00:34:06.400 --> 00:34:09.880
that goes on out there. It's not just bigfoot. The

554
00:34:09.920 --> 00:34:12.599
place is, like I say, got a very dark history there.

555
00:34:12.719 --> 00:34:15.239
A bought a bad juju out there. You have to

556
00:34:15.239 --> 00:34:17.239
be prepared to deal with that when you go out there,

557
00:34:17.639 --> 00:34:19.519
especially like when I go out there by myself.

558
00:34:20.599 --> 00:34:23.760
So Texas, this is this is some heavy stuff.

559
00:34:23.840 --> 00:34:24.039
Man.

560
00:34:24.320 --> 00:34:26.559
I had no idea what we were getting into with

561
00:34:26.639 --> 00:34:28.760
this brown springs there, and guys, I don't know if

562
00:34:28.800 --> 00:34:31.840
I would go to this area without the proper people

563
00:34:31.880 --> 00:34:34.639
that knew what they were doing, especially if there's tigers

564
00:34:34.679 --> 00:34:35.639
out there, my.

565
00:34:35.719 --> 00:34:39.599
Goodness, and it's and tigers aren't the only thing you

566
00:34:39.599 --> 00:34:43.159
gotta worry about, that's just the newest thing. Honestly, you've

567
00:34:43.159 --> 00:34:46.480
got the biggest concern out there. There's two big, huge

568
00:34:46.559 --> 00:34:49.880
concerns out there. And that's really the reason that we

569
00:34:49.920 --> 00:34:53.480
all started packing, we all started carrying out there was

570
00:34:53.559 --> 00:34:57.199
really not just the tigers. It's there's a huge feral

571
00:34:57.239 --> 00:35:01.360
pig population out there. And and also you have the

572
00:35:01.360 --> 00:35:04.880
great North American myth head population because you run into

573
00:35:05.280 --> 00:35:07.360
which is unfortunate, but it's part of what you have

574
00:35:07.480 --> 00:35:11.360
to deal with, you know. And then when you throw

575
00:35:11.440 --> 00:35:14.280
the occult activity on top of everything, and you got

576
00:35:14.320 --> 00:35:17.599
the tigers, and you got the occasional bear, the least

577
00:35:17.599 --> 00:35:24.480
of my worries are the Bigfoot. Honestly, folks, if you've

578
00:35:24.519 --> 00:35:26.960
ever been camping out in the middle of nowhere, these

579
00:35:27.119 --> 00:35:35.639
state parks and wildlife refuges and national parks, odds are

580
00:35:36.360 --> 00:35:39.079
odds are you've had these things have been around you

581
00:35:39.360 --> 00:35:41.679
and you just didn't know it. One of my favorite

582
00:35:41.679 --> 00:35:43.880
things is for somebody to walk away up and hunting

583
00:35:44.119 --> 00:35:47.079
fifty years I've never seen one where you looking for

584
00:35:49.000 --> 00:35:51.079
or were you paying attention to that ten point buck

585
00:35:51.119 --> 00:35:53.480
that you were trying to get a shot on that

586
00:35:53.559 --> 00:35:59.199
you've been baiting for a year. Oh wait a minute,

587
00:35:59.239 --> 00:36:01.519
let buck walk behind you and you never saw him.

588
00:36:01.960 --> 00:36:05.239
Oh but you've never seen Bigfoot. Okay, Yeah, that's understandable.

589
00:36:06.480 --> 00:36:10.159
Exactly, Man, this area And I'm not a video game

590
00:36:10.199 --> 00:36:12.599
guy because I don't have the time, but it feels like, Man,

591
00:36:12.639 --> 00:36:15.199
if they wanted to make a grand theft auto down there,

592
00:36:15.280 --> 00:36:17.719
it'd be the perfect area. You got all the weird stuff,

593
00:36:17.880 --> 00:36:22.599
it'd be a crazy game area. But how you've got

594
00:36:22.639 --> 00:36:25.599
all this stuff in this area, So there's a lot

595
00:36:25.679 --> 00:36:29.519
going on in How big approximately is this area to

596
00:36:29.559 --> 00:36:35.760
contain all this like cult stuff, Bigfoot, tiger escapees, all

597
00:36:35.800 --> 00:36:36.719
this wild stuff.

598
00:36:37.880 --> 00:36:41.440
Oh it's thousands of akers, okay, thousands of akers. And

599
00:36:41.480 --> 00:36:43.400
the thing about it is some of it's so thick

600
00:36:43.920 --> 00:36:47.960
that you're not going to go further. It's it takes

601
00:36:48.000 --> 00:36:51.119
you if you're going to go anywhere in the thing.

602
00:36:51.199 --> 00:36:53.280
And that's what a lot of people don't understand. A

603
00:36:53.320 --> 00:36:59.639
lot of people that have never been out in the brush. Okay,

604
00:36:59.280 --> 00:37:01.639
when you talk about walking through the woods. You're talking

605
00:37:01.639 --> 00:37:04.880
about a manicured area by a state park. You're talking

606
00:37:04.880 --> 00:37:07.559
about walk through the trails, walk down these trails that's

607
00:37:07.559 --> 00:37:12.679
been laid out for you and everything, go out and no,

608
00:37:12.760 --> 00:37:15.280
don't do not. I'm sorry I said that, do not

609
00:37:15.880 --> 00:37:18.000
go out in the brush off trail because you don't

610
00:37:18.039 --> 00:37:20.920
know what you're doing. And it's like you said, don't

611
00:37:20.960 --> 00:37:23.159
go to these places unless you're wish somebody who knows

612
00:37:23.159 --> 00:37:25.400
what they're doing, or you know what you're doing. I

613
00:37:25.440 --> 00:37:30.280
cannot tell you how many people go out there with

614
00:37:30.320 --> 00:37:33.920
a bottle of water. And that's it. That's where we

615
00:37:34.039 --> 00:37:37.840
run into a whole missing fool on one phenomenon that

616
00:37:37.840 --> 00:37:41.519
that's going on. There's no one, there's no one reason

617
00:37:41.840 --> 00:37:47.440
for that stuff happening. It's a smorgashboard of things that happened,

618
00:37:47.920 --> 00:37:51.599
number one being human error, in vrogance, and stupidity are

619
00:37:51.639 --> 00:37:57.079
cryptos on the list. Absolutely. Are there other nefarious things. Absolutely,

620
00:37:58.440 --> 00:38:00.400
But you can't blame it on one thing. I just

621
00:38:00.400 --> 00:38:04.519
can't do it. But nine times out of ten, it's

622
00:38:04.559 --> 00:38:07.719
just stupidity, it's ill preparedness, it's ignorance.

623
00:38:09.960 --> 00:38:14.280
Looking at one, I'm going to make one more tiger comic.

624
00:38:14.320 --> 00:38:17.280
Can you imagine going around the corner in this area

625
00:38:17.400 --> 00:38:19.519
and you see a tiger in a big foot and

626
00:38:19.559 --> 00:38:23.599
a knockdown drag out just all war. It could happen,

627
00:38:23.719 --> 00:38:26.639
like they could be having to battle each other for

628
00:38:27.119 --> 00:38:29.000
food source in this area.

629
00:38:29.440 --> 00:38:34.639
Absolutely absolutely, and it may have happened. It wouldn't surprise

630
00:38:34.679 --> 00:38:37.440
me if it had. Have. I seen it and I

631
00:38:37.480 --> 00:38:43.960
heard it now. But if you ask Jason, I've ran it.

632
00:38:44.039 --> 00:38:47.440
I've had a tiger Kin camera out there, and it

633
00:38:47.480 --> 00:38:53.440
took place a few years before we ran into this policemen.

634
00:38:54.000 --> 00:38:55.559
I was up there, in fact that it was my

635
00:38:55.840 --> 00:38:59.000
first time that I had ever been out there, so low.

636
00:38:59.840 --> 00:39:02.159
I shot my mouth off on a show one night,

637
00:39:02.880 --> 00:39:05.880
and I said, because everybody's talking about how spooky this

638
00:39:06.039 --> 00:39:09.719
place was and how they wouldn't go out there, I'm like, why,

639
00:39:09.800 --> 00:39:13.599
it's just you, just it's woods. I've been doing this

640
00:39:13.639 --> 00:39:15.719
all my life. What's the difference. So I said, I'll

641
00:39:15.760 --> 00:39:19.559
do I'll do it. I did it. I went out

642
00:39:19.559 --> 00:39:21.360
there by myself when I was about ten thirty at

643
00:39:21.440 --> 00:39:24.440
nine eleven thirty nine something like that, and I drove

644
00:39:24.559 --> 00:39:26.519
up there, Like I said, this first time I ever

645
00:39:26.639 --> 00:39:29.039
driven up there by myself, and I went I was

646
00:39:29.119 --> 00:39:31.320
I said, I'll go to the cemetery by myself. And everybody

647
00:39:31.400 --> 00:39:33.239
was like, Oh, don't do that, You're crazy, blah blah

648
00:39:33.239 --> 00:39:37.280
blah and whatever. I go up there and I get

649
00:39:37.320 --> 00:39:41.159
out of my truck and I'm hearing footfalls all around

650
00:39:41.159 --> 00:39:43.599
me in the trees, and I heard a couple of

651
00:39:43.639 --> 00:39:47.440
whoops over to my right, and I'm like, I had

652
00:39:47.480 --> 00:39:51.719
the feeling I was surrounded, right, And I'm like, maybe

653
00:39:51.760 --> 00:39:55.199
this wasn't the brightest idea I ever had. Right, So

654
00:39:55.760 --> 00:39:57.639
I get back in my truck. I drive up here.

655
00:39:57.679 --> 00:40:00.199
You didn't at that point in time, you do didn't

656
00:40:00.199 --> 00:40:03.760
even have cell service down there, And all I had

657
00:40:03.800 --> 00:40:08.239
with me was a little pen like like my pocket

658
00:40:08.280 --> 00:40:11.079
knife and my phone. That's all I happened because I

659
00:40:11.119 --> 00:40:13.280
wasn't gonna be I knew where I'd been there, I

660
00:40:13.360 --> 00:40:15.440
knew where I was going, I knew the there and

661
00:40:15.519 --> 00:40:20.800
all that kind of stuff. But I drive up where

662
00:40:20.840 --> 00:40:23.199
I've got cell service. I'm interviewed, phone calls, people are

663
00:40:23.199 --> 00:40:24.480
telling me I don't need to do this, and all

664
00:40:24.519 --> 00:40:25.760
this kind of stuff. Said No, I said, I was

665
00:40:25.760 --> 00:40:28.159
gonna do it. I'm gonna do it. So I drove

666
00:40:28.199 --> 00:40:30.840
back down, and I could still hear some footfalls, but

667
00:40:30.920 --> 00:40:33.639
it wasn't as intense feeling as it was the first

668
00:40:33.719 --> 00:40:38.079
time i'd been there, not an hour before. And I decided, Okay,

669
00:40:38.079 --> 00:40:41.760
I'm gonna go ahead and do this, pardon me. And

670
00:40:43.199 --> 00:40:46.400
so I start walking up the trail and I've got

671
00:40:46.400 --> 00:40:50.159
I've got my voice recorder running on my phone. I

672
00:40:50.199 --> 00:40:54.119
start walking up the trail and you hear me say, oh,

673
00:40:54.280 --> 00:40:56.320
I just heard a little growl over here to my left,

674
00:40:56.320 --> 00:40:57.920
and it had a little pert to it. And you

675
00:40:57.920 --> 00:41:01.280
got to remember, this is before we ever found out photographer, right,

676
00:41:02.039 --> 00:41:07.639
So I'm banging that something else, right, And so I

677
00:41:07.679 --> 00:41:11.480
get up to the top of the cemetery the and

678
00:41:12.079 --> 00:41:13.840
when when you get to the top of the trail,

679
00:41:13.960 --> 00:41:17.280
right there the top cemetery, there's an old tree and

680
00:41:17.679 --> 00:41:19.679
a grave right behind it, and that's the first grave

681
00:41:19.719 --> 00:41:23.719
in the cemetery, and that's the youngest grave in the cemetery.

682
00:41:23.840 --> 00:41:25.920
So I'm standing there and I'm looking around like it's

683
00:41:25.920 --> 00:41:27.679
a little pin lot with me. And I turn around

684
00:41:27.679 --> 00:41:29.320
and I look over my left shoulder and I catch

685
00:41:29.320 --> 00:41:35.079
some ice shine in the trees. And what was peculiar

686
00:41:35.119 --> 00:41:37.519
about this eye shine. Now, I'm not one to panic

687
00:41:37.559 --> 00:41:39.920
about eye shine, because if you're out in the woods,

688
00:41:39.920 --> 00:41:42.639
you're gonna get ay shine. It's gonna happen, right, But

689
00:41:43.320 --> 00:41:48.599
this eye shine was different. The eyes we walk they

690
00:41:48.639 --> 00:41:50.519
were about big around of silver dollars and had about

691
00:41:50.519 --> 00:41:54.480
eight eight inches between them, six to eight something like

692
00:41:54.519 --> 00:41:58.760
that answes between them. That's big, okay, And it's about

693
00:41:58.920 --> 00:42:02.400
I don't know, three feet off or so. I'm like, oh,

694
00:42:02.480 --> 00:42:06.320
this is cool. It starts like playing peekaboo behind a

695
00:42:06.320 --> 00:42:10.280
tree with the type thing, and I'm like, oh, this

696
00:42:10.400 --> 00:42:12.599
is cool. This is what I came here for. I'm

697
00:42:12.599 --> 00:42:16.519
thinking it's a bigfoot. I'm hoping right, because I'm going

698
00:42:16.519 --> 00:42:19.719
through my head trying to figure out what else could

699
00:42:19.719 --> 00:42:23.400
be this, This could be natural what we call natural normal.

700
00:42:23.719 --> 00:42:25.719
The only thing I could come up only two things

701
00:42:25.760 --> 00:42:28.159
I could come up with is it's either a horse

702
00:42:28.239 --> 00:42:33.079
laying now or a cow laying down right with that

703
00:42:33.159 --> 00:42:36.400
much out spread between the eyes and that big around.

704
00:42:38.400 --> 00:42:40.719
But I'm thinking, okay, hate might me be looking at

705
00:42:40.719 --> 00:42:44.079
a big foot, right, and I'm thinking this is cool.

706
00:42:44.679 --> 00:42:46.360
Then it stood up, and when it stood up, it

707
00:42:46.480 --> 00:42:49.280
moved forward to you know how you're squatting down and

708
00:42:49.280 --> 00:42:50.880
when you stand up, most of the time you'll take

709
00:42:50.880 --> 00:42:54.239
a step forward, you know, when you stand up, that's

710
00:42:54.320 --> 00:42:58.000
kind of moved. That's what it looked like. And when

711
00:42:58.039 --> 00:43:00.119
it got about my hind, I decided it was on

712
00:43:00.199 --> 00:43:03.960
the back out, so I walked back down. I got

713
00:43:04.039 --> 00:43:05.559
my truck and I left. I did what I said

714
00:43:05.559 --> 00:43:08.000
I was going to do. But that got the ball roller.

715
00:43:08.239 --> 00:43:11.599
It didn't scare me off or nothing like that. It's uh.

716
00:43:11.679 --> 00:43:13.760
And there's other stuff that happened to me when I

717
00:43:13.920 --> 00:43:18.199
was a young man that you know, maybe we can

718
00:43:18.239 --> 00:43:21.320
get into, maybe we can't. And encounter that I had

719
00:43:21.440 --> 00:43:26.159
that I guess tempered me for what I do now,

720
00:43:26.599 --> 00:43:30.840
I guess. But anyway, So if you asked Jason, that

721
00:43:30.880 --> 00:43:32.559
was a tiger that I ran into. If you ask me,

722
00:43:32.639 --> 00:43:34.800
I'm not so sure. It could have been a tiger,

723
00:43:35.000 --> 00:43:36.800
could have been a bigfoot. I don't know. It could

724
00:43:36.800 --> 00:43:37.400
have been something else.

725
00:43:38.320 --> 00:43:42.320
That's why you were lucky that night, for sure.

726
00:43:44.239 --> 00:43:47.000
M M yeah, probably, yeah, I'll use one of my

727
00:43:47.079 --> 00:43:47.920
nine lives. I'm sure.

728
00:43:48.440 --> 00:43:52.920
Absolutely, something that I'm noticing while I'm looking. I always

729
00:43:52.920 --> 00:43:55.599
have a map pulled up while I do these and right.

730
00:43:55.679 --> 00:43:58.679
I'm noticing that. Another area that I've gotten a lot

731
00:43:58.719 --> 00:44:03.159
of weird stuff from is you've got Lake Texoma just

732
00:44:03.199 --> 00:44:06.960
to the east of this area. Yes, there's a lot

733
00:44:06.960 --> 00:44:07.320
of weird.

734
00:44:07.480 --> 00:44:07.840
Dude.

735
00:44:08.159 --> 00:44:12.239
I used to make I would do uh story videos

736
00:44:12.280 --> 00:44:15.320
over on TikTok about a year ago, and I got

737
00:44:15.360 --> 00:44:18.480
a lot of people reaching out about Lake Texoma. And

738
00:44:18.559 --> 00:44:21.519
it wasn't just bigfoot stuff. It was and we had

739
00:44:21.559 --> 00:44:25.119
dog man stuff. We had there's a big outbreak of

740
00:44:25.280 --> 00:44:30.480
people seeing this like pale, white, skinny creature like a

741
00:44:30.519 --> 00:44:35.280
pale crawler sometimes it's called and there are Yeah, just

742
00:44:35.639 --> 00:44:37.440
that area is nuts.

743
00:44:38.599 --> 00:44:43.159
Yeah that that that whole Red River Basin is. It's

744
00:44:43.239 --> 00:44:46.239
kind of like the Sofa River Basin too in Texas.

745
00:44:46.719 --> 00:44:52.039
Both of those areas are just inundated with encounters and

746
00:44:52.079 --> 00:44:55.639
stories that you'll hear with all kinds of entities. Brown

747
00:44:55.679 --> 00:44:59.360
Springs too, Brown Springs has got the I've got a

748
00:44:59.400 --> 00:45:03.199
picture that was taken by a researcher years ago. He's

749
00:45:03.239 --> 00:45:08.679
passed now that appears to be Cata and like up

750
00:45:08.679 --> 00:45:09.440
in the cemetery.

751
00:45:10.559 --> 00:45:12.519
Big for a society who will be right back after

752
00:45:12.559 --> 00:45:13.320
these messages.

753
00:45:29.639 --> 00:45:32.360
There's also a picture that I've out of his that appears

754
00:45:32.360 --> 00:45:35.360
to be a big foot laying down on its belly

755
00:45:35.639 --> 00:45:37.760
behind a bible oar fanc right there in the cemetery.

756
00:45:38.440 --> 00:45:43.000
These places are no stranger to the stuff that we

757
00:45:43.079 --> 00:45:48.280
talk about. And I don't know, and I know a

758
00:45:48.360 --> 00:45:51.480
lot of people talk about the whole orb phenomenon and

759
00:45:51.480 --> 00:45:54.119
everything like that, and we've had some strange occurrences like

760
00:45:54.159 --> 00:45:56.400
that we caught something on thermal that we can't explain,

761
00:45:57.320 --> 00:46:03.320
and it's what do you do with it? I had

762
00:46:03.320 --> 00:46:06.400
about a thirty minute conversation with the guy that runs

763
00:46:06.440 --> 00:46:11.119
Skinwalker Ranch and we weren't on camera and nothing. It's

764
00:46:11.159 --> 00:46:16.000
just a private conversation and Thomas the manager over there,

765
00:46:16.639 --> 00:46:20.719
and because I wanted to get him away and talk

766
00:46:20.760 --> 00:46:22.280
to him in private, and me and him had a

767
00:46:22.280 --> 00:46:25.440
conversation because I run into a lot of the same stuff,

768
00:46:25.519 --> 00:46:27.079
a lot of the safe mom can get a lot

769
00:46:27.119 --> 00:46:32.000
of the same readings that they do. Okay, So my

770
00:46:32.119 --> 00:46:34.440
first question to him was have you figured out a

771
00:46:34.480 --> 00:46:38.840
way to determine what's physical and what's paranormal that you're

772
00:46:38.880 --> 00:46:41.559
running into? After about a ten minute rant, his short

773
00:46:41.599 --> 00:46:45.559
answer was, now, so they're having the same issue we are.

774
00:46:46.320 --> 00:46:49.920
Oh, that's bonkers. That's Thomas Winterton from out there and

775
00:46:50.000 --> 00:46:53.960
Skinwalker I believe you're referring to. That's pretty cool you

776
00:46:53.960 --> 00:46:56.639
were able to chat with him about that. That is

777
00:46:56.840 --> 00:47:01.000
so wild. I there's something that you had shared wait earlier,

778
00:47:01.000 --> 00:47:03.079
and I want to make sure that I want to

779
00:47:03.079 --> 00:47:06.599
get into that for a little bit. And you're talking

780
00:47:06.639 --> 00:47:09.679
about what you saw in that wheat field. Now, you

781
00:47:09.719 --> 00:47:12.480
said you saw it for a few steps where you

782
00:47:12.679 --> 00:47:16.639
got to see pretty much a lot of whatever that

783
00:47:17.039 --> 00:47:22.039
creature was. Did you do you remember any details of

784
00:47:22.119 --> 00:47:25.239
what you saw that when you think back on them,

785
00:47:25.280 --> 00:47:29.800
you're like, Wow, what I was seeing was definitely a

786
00:47:29.840 --> 00:47:31.639
bigfoot rather than a person.

787
00:47:32.920 --> 00:47:36.480
Oh yeah, absolutely. Unless there was an eight foot tall

788
00:47:38.159 --> 00:47:46.599
basketball player built person wearing a black hairy suit running

789
00:47:46.599 --> 00:47:51.760
through a wheat field in the middle of freaking South Oklahoma. Well,

790
00:47:51.760 --> 00:47:54.079
I don't know what else it could have been, because,

791
00:47:54.920 --> 00:47:57.280
like I said, the wheat field, the wheat we measure

792
00:47:57.280 --> 00:48:01.199
it is four feet tall. Okay. I could see him

793
00:48:01.280 --> 00:48:04.239
from the waist up until he hit the fire break.

794
00:48:05.679 --> 00:48:09.960
That puts him at eight feet right. That's the math

795
00:48:10.000 --> 00:48:12.760
I work on anyway. And then when he hit the

796
00:48:12.760 --> 00:48:16.679
fire break, that's mowed around the field. I saw him

797
00:48:16.719 --> 00:48:19.360
head to toe for about two or three steps. But

798
00:48:19.440 --> 00:48:23.599
he was not this big, massive, bulky thing that we

799
00:48:23.719 --> 00:48:27.000
hear so much about, like the paddy type creatures or

800
00:48:27.000 --> 00:48:31.920
the Ohio grassman. They're just massive. The ones that we

801
00:48:32.039 --> 00:48:34.960
have done here in the South tend to be a

802
00:48:34.960 --> 00:48:40.119
little smaller and leaner built. That's how this one was.

803
00:48:40.199 --> 00:48:42.760
He was cut. He was solid black covered and the

804
00:48:42.880 --> 00:48:46.480
hair looks slick, very well groomed. Okay, he didn't have

805
00:48:46.519 --> 00:48:48.599
the conical head. He had the round head, which is

806
00:48:48.599 --> 00:48:51.679
not unusual. You see both, or we have reports of both.

807
00:48:52.280 --> 00:48:55.000
And the other one I saw him in my other

808
00:48:55.119 --> 00:48:59.119
daylight siding was completely opposite of this one as far

809
00:48:59.159 --> 00:49:02.480
as cope goes. It was almost weird, but and I

810
00:49:02.519 --> 00:49:07.599
saw him through my binoculars. But the grace in which

811
00:49:07.639 --> 00:49:14.280
these things move is phenomenal. They move like dancers because

812
00:49:14.280 --> 00:49:17.119
their head does not bob when they run, they walk,

813
00:49:17.199 --> 00:49:22.679
doesn't matter they any movement they make, they't They never

814
00:49:22.760 --> 00:49:25.880
lock their knees, so they have that natural shock absorber.

815
00:49:26.280 --> 00:49:28.639
It's almost like he'sing a gimbal on a camera. It

816
00:49:28.760 --> 00:49:33.639
stabilizes the the rest their body and the ease with

817
00:49:33.679 --> 00:49:36.280
which they negotiate stuff that we had to pick our

818
00:49:36.320 --> 00:49:44.519
way through is just phenomenal. It's unbelievable. But yeah, and

819
00:49:44.559 --> 00:49:47.320
the proportions are different too on these critters too. It's

820
00:49:47.320 --> 00:49:52.280
just that they're just off the forearms seeing longer, they

821
00:49:52.320 --> 00:49:55.280
hang lower, their hands are lower on the leg than

822
00:49:55.480 --> 00:49:58.960
like a human would be. And they don't have as

823
00:49:59.119 --> 00:50:01.400
I don't know everybody talks about it, but it's true,

824
00:50:02.840 --> 00:50:06.559
they don't have their I think it's the trapeze muscles

825
00:50:06.599 --> 00:50:10.280
in the back. They're huge, so it appears they don't

826
00:50:10.280 --> 00:50:12.199
have a neck. It's not that they don't have a neck,

827
00:50:12.280 --> 00:50:17.519
it's just they have massive, freaking Trappeese muscles. And that's

828
00:50:17.559 --> 00:50:21.400
what that's what I saw. Yeah, so he wasn't like

829
00:50:21.559 --> 00:50:26.239
Arnold Schwarzer. Now he had a basketball player build, very muscular,

830
00:50:26.280 --> 00:50:27.719
but he was lean.

831
00:50:27.599 --> 00:50:30.639
Thank you for sharing some more details about what you

832
00:50:30.719 --> 00:50:35.159
saw that day. You'd also have alluded to there was

833
00:50:35.920 --> 00:50:39.159
a sighting that you had as a younger man that

834
00:50:39.400 --> 00:50:43.480
really affected you, affected the rest of your life when

835
00:50:43.519 --> 00:50:46.159
it comes to this bigfoot phenomenon.

836
00:50:47.440 --> 00:50:49.119
Yeah, and I wish I could sit here and tell

837
00:50:49.159 --> 00:50:51.239
you it was a big foot, because it would be

838
00:50:51.280 --> 00:50:53.480
a heck of a lot easier to explain, but it wasn't.

839
00:50:54.159 --> 00:50:57.280
It was what everybody calls now a dog man. This

840
00:50:57.440 --> 00:51:01.000
was before the turned dog man was coined. I was

841
00:51:01.039 --> 00:51:03.440
sixteen years old now I'll be fifty eight in March.

842
00:51:03.960 --> 00:51:06.920
That was back when we were still riding on stone tablets.

843
00:51:07.199 --> 00:51:10.400
But I was And like I said earlier, I grew

844
00:51:10.480 --> 00:51:13.679
up doing all this stuff by myself. Maybe I might

845
00:51:13.760 --> 00:51:15.480
have my dog with me, or it might be riding

846
00:51:15.480 --> 00:51:17.800
a horse, but for the most part, I'd do all

847
00:51:17.840 --> 00:51:20.719
the camping and fishing and the trapping and the hunting

848
00:51:20.719 --> 00:51:23.719
and by myself. And that's what I had been doing.

849
00:51:23.760 --> 00:51:26.880
I had been out rabbit hunting, and I was walking home,

850
00:51:28.480 --> 00:51:31.119
and I was going down white gravel road that bordered

851
00:51:31.159 --> 00:51:35.840
one side of our place. The sun hadn't went down yet,

852
00:51:35.960 --> 00:51:37.400
so I had plenty of daylight and I'm on a

853
00:51:37.440 --> 00:51:42.079
white gravel road. Anyway, walking down the road, I got

854
00:51:42.119 --> 00:51:44.639
two rabbits hanging off my belt and an empty fourteen

855
00:51:45.320 --> 00:51:48.400
That's what I had. Right this thing comes charging out

856
00:51:48.440 --> 00:51:51.320
of the brush on my left hand side. I don't

857
00:51:51.400 --> 00:51:54.199
know if I woke it up, if I pissed it off,

858
00:51:54.639 --> 00:51:58.320
I don't know. What happened. But he was in full

859
00:51:58.400 --> 00:52:00.360
stride and when he came out of the brush, I

860
00:52:00.400 --> 00:52:02.920
don't know if he was hunting something and I got

861
00:52:02.920 --> 00:52:06.559
in the way. I don't know, but he ran across

862
00:52:06.559 --> 00:52:08.559
the road in front of me, about twenty five thirty

863
00:52:08.599 --> 00:52:14.280
feet away, and I'm on foot, guys, okay, And the

864
00:52:15.039 --> 00:52:17.599
image I had frozen in my head, I'll never forget it,

865
00:52:17.880 --> 00:52:20.519
and I can sit down and draw a picture of it.

866
00:52:20.599 --> 00:52:23.079
And I'm not a talented artist, but you can get there.

867
00:52:23.159 --> 00:52:28.280
Definitely get the idea. But he turned his head and

868
00:52:28.320 --> 00:52:32.559
he growled at me and stride and that's when you

869
00:52:32.599 --> 00:52:35.000
don't get me wrong. The whole thing was absolutely terrifying.

870
00:52:35.039 --> 00:52:39.480
But and much like when I was a kid and

871
00:52:39.519 --> 00:52:48.280
my cousin's surprises, I froze. And this thing was about

872
00:52:48.280 --> 00:52:51.000
seven and a half feet tall. I didn't think it

873
00:52:51.039 --> 00:52:58.480
was that tall when I for years. But later, just

874
00:52:59.000 --> 00:53:01.400
several years ago, I was walking, I was at work

875
00:53:01.440 --> 00:53:03.320
and I was walking through the building with a friend

876
00:53:03.320 --> 00:53:06.000
of mine. Huge guy. He was like six by sixty six,

877
00:53:06.880 --> 00:53:10.079
and that's where I put the height of this critter

878
00:53:10.159 --> 00:53:14.440
at okay, And we were talking about my encounter, and

879
00:53:14.480 --> 00:53:17.159
he goes well, text, how tall was this thing? And

880
00:53:17.159 --> 00:53:18.559
I told him, I said, I don't know about you're

881
00:53:18.599 --> 00:53:21.639
out there and maybe seven feet I don't know. I said,

882
00:53:21.639 --> 00:53:23.519
it wasn't no taller than the doorways right there, that

883
00:53:23.599 --> 00:53:26.239
doorway he goes, He put me, he literally put his

884
00:53:26.239 --> 00:53:28.519
hand on my chest, stopped and he goes, text those

885
00:53:28.599 --> 00:53:33.960
right foot doors. That's all crap. You're right. So he

886
00:53:34.000 --> 00:53:38.559
may have been about seven and a half feet tall, okay,

887
00:53:38.639 --> 00:53:43.199
but irregardless of how tall the thing was, he had

888
00:53:43.239 --> 00:53:46.239
that same build except that the Bigfoot had. But this

889
00:53:46.440 --> 00:53:51.880
was not Bigfoot. His coat was thinner, it was the

890
00:53:51.960 --> 00:53:55.280
hair was longer, but it was you could see the

891
00:53:55.320 --> 00:54:00.440
skin underneath until you and except on like starting between

892
00:54:00.440 --> 00:54:04.159
his ears down his back, it wasn't down. It was

893
00:54:04.239 --> 00:54:05.920
like a mane that went down his back and the

894
00:54:06.039 --> 00:54:12.119
v across his shoulders. His ears were very catine like,

895
00:54:12.159 --> 00:54:14.039
and they were pinned back like if you if you

896
00:54:14.079 --> 00:54:16.400
had said a dog or a horse to pen those

897
00:54:16.440 --> 00:54:19.440
ears back, right, but getting getting ready to either fly

898
00:54:19.679 --> 00:54:21.800
fight or fight. There they're trying to decide what they're

899
00:54:21.800 --> 00:54:24.000
going to do. But they pinned them ears back for

900
00:54:24.079 --> 00:54:27.079
protection and it opens them up so they can hear stuff.

901
00:54:27.599 --> 00:54:29.599
His ears were pinned back and he snarled at me.

902
00:54:30.039 --> 00:54:36.199
That's what I remember. The eyes were very dog like.

903
00:54:36.280 --> 00:54:40.480
They were brown. Okay. He didn't have this elongated snout.

904
00:54:41.239 --> 00:54:45.559
It was a shorter, blunter snout that he had. He

905
00:54:45.599 --> 00:54:49.400
didn't have this just mouthful of freaking gnarly looking teeth.

906
00:54:49.440 --> 00:54:54.440
They were just very canine looking. And the old there's

907
00:54:54.440 --> 00:54:56.880
an old wives tell that if you want to get

908
00:54:56.880 --> 00:55:00.599
a smart dog, get one. Look black in his mouth. Okay.

909
00:55:02.039 --> 00:55:04.440
When he crowded at me, when he snarled at me,

910
00:55:04.960 --> 00:55:07.559
it gave me a chance to see his gums and

911
00:55:07.599 --> 00:55:11.559
his tongue. They were both pink and black, modeled like

912
00:55:11.639 --> 00:55:18.760
a canine. Okay. He was very canine looking, and his

913
00:55:18.840 --> 00:55:24.599
hands were hit very His chest was like very big

914
00:55:24.800 --> 00:55:27.840
and it was very narrow at the hip, and his

915
00:55:28.000 --> 00:55:34.800
thighs were big. Okay. His hands were not human. They

916
00:55:34.840 --> 00:55:37.599
were not human. They were human esque, but they were

917
00:55:37.639 --> 00:55:41.880
also almost like a raccoon type hand. Also, so it's

918
00:55:41.920 --> 00:55:46.559
the cross. The skin underneath the hair was like a charcoal,

919
00:55:46.920 --> 00:55:49.280
and his coat was black with some gray in it,

920
00:55:49.440 --> 00:55:51.119
so he may have had some age to him. I

921
00:55:51.119 --> 00:55:55.280
don't know when it came down to his feet, and

922
00:55:55.320 --> 00:55:58.760
I know a lot of people that they talk about

923
00:55:58.760 --> 00:56:03.239
that backward facing left. Okay, they're dog legged, Sorry, folks,

924
00:56:03.239 --> 00:56:06.559
the biomechanics do not operate like that. They just will

925
00:56:06.639 --> 00:56:09.679
not on a bipedal creature. You've seen dogs stand up

926
00:56:09.760 --> 00:56:13.920
walking behind legs. They're awkward. Okay, there's a reason that

927
00:56:14.000 --> 00:56:19.320
these things move, can move bipedally, but it's not awkward

928
00:56:19.360 --> 00:56:21.679
like a dog. And I tell you why. One is

929
00:56:21.719 --> 00:56:25.199
the hip, the hit placement is different the whole torso

930
00:56:25.320 --> 00:56:28.119
and the hips or everything. We're very human. Okay. I

931
00:56:28.159 --> 00:56:29.840
don't remember if he had a tail or not. I

932
00:56:29.920 --> 00:56:31.599
never draw it with a tail, so I assume you

933
00:56:31.639 --> 00:56:38.679
didn't have one. But what I noticed was he was

934
00:56:38.800 --> 00:56:45.079
up on his toes and his foot was as you

935
00:56:45.119 --> 00:56:47.800
go back towards the hill, which was off the ground,

936
00:56:49.159 --> 00:56:53.239
is just long and narrow. And I think that's what

937
00:56:54.039 --> 00:56:56.480
I'm not saying. They're not dog legged critters out there.

938
00:56:56.519 --> 00:56:59.360
I'm not saying that there may be very well be,

939
00:57:00.280 --> 00:57:03.159
but I think a lot of it is misidentification when

940
00:57:03.480 --> 00:57:05.639
when people are looking at this, they see that heel

941
00:57:05.679 --> 00:57:08.599
that's brought up off of the ground and they're standing

942
00:57:08.639 --> 00:57:13.239
on their toes, which allows them just phenomenal speed and

943
00:57:13.239 --> 00:57:18.559
agility and balance. I think that's what people are seeing

944
00:57:18.679 --> 00:57:21.039
and they're thinking, oh, that's dog legged. No, it's really not.

945
00:57:21.840 --> 00:57:24.159
But when he ran across the road in front of me,

946
00:57:25.159 --> 00:57:28.000
and he dove over, and he was on two legs

947
00:57:28.079 --> 00:57:31.079
when he and when he dove over our five strand

948
00:57:31.119 --> 00:57:34.400
barb wire fence was about five feet tall. He dove

949
00:57:34.480 --> 00:57:37.280
over it. And when he dove over that fence and

950
00:57:37.400 --> 00:57:40.119
went down on the other side, he went down to

951
00:57:40.159 --> 00:57:43.480
all fours and it was a very smooth transition, didn't

952
00:57:43.480 --> 00:57:47.119
harold bones or tendons, creaking or snapping or anything like that.

953
00:57:49.320 --> 00:57:52.000
And we have down here what we call love grass.

954
00:57:52.039 --> 00:57:54.519
It's just it's you see it in a lot of

955
00:57:54.559 --> 00:57:57.440
our fields out here. It's just a very tall, about

956
00:57:57.440 --> 00:58:00.000
three three and a half foot grass that covers pastures.

957
00:58:00.079 --> 00:58:05.719
It's a native grass. When he hit this and went

958
00:58:05.719 --> 00:58:07.840
down to all fours, I saw the grass move for

959
00:58:07.880 --> 00:58:12.239
a little bit and then he was gone. When at

960
00:58:12.239 --> 00:58:16.320
that point I had a decision to make. And I

961
00:58:16.360 --> 00:58:18.960
know this scenes when you're telling it, it seems very

962
00:58:19.320 --> 00:58:21.360
long and drawn out, but I'm trying to get as

963
00:58:21.480 --> 00:58:23.960
much detail as I can in here because I want

964
00:58:24.000 --> 00:58:29.079
people to understand my mindset and everything, because I was terrified.

965
00:58:30.079 --> 00:58:35.599
But and I know this is weird. It's like I

966
00:58:35.639 --> 00:58:38.039
didn't get the sense that he wanted to kill me.

967
00:58:38.079 --> 00:58:40.320
He just he turned his head grind at me, like

968
00:58:40.360 --> 00:58:43.320
more of a you stay right where you are type thing,

969
00:58:43.400 --> 00:58:48.199
don't leave me alone, that type of thing. But I

970
00:58:48.239 --> 00:58:50.280
had a decision to make because I was fixing across

971
00:58:50.320 --> 00:58:53.440
the fence right there and take a short cut across

972
00:58:53.440 --> 00:58:56.480
our pastor and go home because our house set on

973
00:58:56.480 --> 00:58:59.719
the other side of our property, so I had her

974
00:58:59.760 --> 00:59:02.239
to I could either cross the fence and follow him

975
00:59:02.280 --> 00:59:04.440
into his tall grass, or I could stay on the

976
00:59:04.519 --> 00:59:07.960
road and take the long way home. And so I did.

977
00:59:08.639 --> 00:59:11.159
I walked up that road that's bordered one side of

978
00:59:11.199 --> 00:59:13.960
our place, across the teed and another road that was

979
00:59:14.000 --> 00:59:15.719
on the front of our place, and our driveway was

980
00:59:15.719 --> 00:59:22.679
on the opposite side. The whole walk is pretty much

981
00:59:22.760 --> 00:59:24.679
a blur. I don't remember a whole lot of it.

982
00:59:24.960 --> 00:59:29.599
I do remember like turning that first corner and thinking

983
00:59:29.639 --> 00:59:35.880
to myself, I don't have anym I got a basically

984
00:59:35.880 --> 00:59:37.599
a free foot club. Maybe I'll get a swing at

985
00:59:37.639 --> 00:59:40.960
him if he comes at me, maybe you know, But

986
00:59:40.960 --> 00:59:43.199
then the rest of the walk is really just a blur.

987
00:59:43.639 --> 00:59:47.280
I was obviously, I was in shock. Now. I walked

988
00:59:47.320 --> 00:59:49.079
in the house, and we lived in a trailer house,

989
00:59:49.199 --> 00:59:52.639
and I walked in the back door, and I pretty

990
00:59:52.679 --> 00:59:56.920
much just fell into a kitchen chair and put my

991
00:59:56.960 --> 00:59:59.599
gun on the table. That was a big freaking mill

992
00:59:59.639 --> 01:00:02.400
in mind, no guns in the kitchen, much less I'm

993
01:00:02.400 --> 01:00:06.480
in kitchen freaking table. My mom was in the kitchen.

994
01:00:06.960 --> 01:00:10.079
I don't remember what she was doing. She was doing dishes,

995
01:00:10.119 --> 01:00:12.880
she was cooking, doing something I don't know, and I

996
01:00:12.920 --> 01:00:14.719
guess she was going to turn around and scold me

997
01:00:15.000 --> 01:00:17.159
for get that gun out of my kitchen top then,

998
01:00:18.320 --> 01:00:21.760
But when she saw me, she says, so, what's wrong

999
01:00:21.800 --> 01:00:22.280
with you're white?

1000
01:00:22.360 --> 01:00:25.239
Is a ghost big for society? Who would be right back?

1001
01:00:25.280 --> 01:00:26.360
After these messages?

1002
01:00:43.599 --> 01:00:47.079
And I tried with everything I had to tell her

1003
01:00:47.199 --> 01:00:49.320
what was going on, what was wrong, what I'd seen.

1004
01:00:52.000 --> 01:00:55.840
Nothing would come out. I couldn't speak. My sister ledd

1005
01:00:55.880 --> 01:00:59.320
next door to us, about forty yards away, and so

1006
01:00:59.400 --> 01:01:01.360
she called my sister and she says, get over here,

1007
01:01:01.400 --> 01:01:04.800
there's something wrong with your brother. My sister came over,

1008
01:01:04.880 --> 01:01:07.119
and it took them to the better part of an

1009
01:01:07.119 --> 01:01:10.239
hour to calm me down enough where I could speak

1010
01:01:10.320 --> 01:01:12.800
and tell them what I encountered. If they didn't tell

1011
01:01:12.800 --> 01:01:14.360
me I was They didn't tell me I was crazy.

1012
01:01:14.400 --> 01:01:18.519
They didn't tell me I was lying. But they did

1013
01:01:18.639 --> 01:01:22.599
try to maybe help me rationalize what i'd seen. Maybe

1014
01:01:22.679 --> 01:01:25.400
I had been Maybe I saw something else and I

1015
01:01:25.519 --> 01:01:27.280
maybe it was a big coality. Maybe it's a wolf.

1016
01:01:27.320 --> 01:01:29.400
Maybe it was a homeless man what we called hobos

1017
01:01:29.440 --> 01:01:32.840
back then, and it scared me and my imagination took

1018
01:01:32.880 --> 01:01:37.679
over type of thing. But I stuck to my guns

1019
01:01:40.000 --> 01:01:42.440
and my mom and my sister on that topic. They

1020
01:01:42.599 --> 01:01:44.679
on those kinds of topics. Like I said, my family's

1021
01:01:44.679 --> 01:01:47.199
from Texa, Canna. They grew up with this kind of stuff, right.

1022
01:01:48.079 --> 01:01:51.800
They never told me that I didn't see what I

1023
01:01:51.840 --> 01:01:55.119
set U saw. They never told me I was crazy.

1024
01:01:55.199 --> 01:01:56.360
They never told me I was lying. I had a

1025
01:01:56.440 --> 01:01:58.920
very good support system, but we never talked about it

1026
01:01:58.960 --> 01:02:01.639
a whole lot either. It did get brought up to

1027
01:02:01.679 --> 01:02:03.400
the point to where we gave it a nickname, and

1028
01:02:03.480 --> 01:02:06.159
I dealt with it in a humorous humor. That was

1029
01:02:06.199 --> 01:02:11.360
my coping mechanism. But it set me back on my heels.

1030
01:02:11.440 --> 01:02:16.119
For almost a year. I wouldn't go anywhere. I didn't

1031
01:02:16.159 --> 01:02:17.760
get off the property. If I had to go to

1032
01:02:17.800 --> 01:02:19.599
the barn, or I had to go feed or break

1033
01:02:19.679 --> 01:02:22.559
ice out of a water drop or whatever. I went

1034
01:02:22.599 --> 01:02:25.239
loaded for bear. I didn't take my little gun. I

1035
01:02:25.280 --> 01:02:28.360
took my paths gone and I loaded it up right.

1036
01:02:29.440 --> 01:02:37.760
And so I became scared of the dark, which was

1037
01:02:38.159 --> 01:02:40.960
totally unlike me here I am. Now, I'm sixteen years old,

1038
01:02:41.480 --> 01:02:43.920
and I'm been camping and hunting, fishing and trapping all

1039
01:02:43.920 --> 01:02:49.320
this stuff all my line by myself. When and we

1040
01:02:49.400 --> 01:02:50.840
had what's called a lot of people be come a

1041
01:02:50.840 --> 01:02:54.159
booger light. It's basically a street lamp on your property.

1042
01:02:55.320 --> 01:02:57.159
It's the only light we had out there. I remember

1043
01:02:57.239 --> 01:02:59.159
we had twenty acres. There was another other light, right,

1044
01:03:00.320 --> 01:03:02.000
But if I had to go to my sister's house

1045
01:03:02.119 --> 01:03:04.119
or my or back from my sister's house and it

1046
01:03:04.159 --> 01:03:07.440
was dark, it was a dead run. I went through

1047
01:03:07.519 --> 01:03:09.159
this for about I don't know, like I said, a

1048
01:03:09.159 --> 01:03:12.280
better part of a year, and I got mad because

1049
01:03:12.320 --> 01:03:14.239
I felt like I was being bullied. I wouldn't I

1050
01:03:14.360 --> 01:03:21.000
couldn't go anywhere that type of thing, and I said,

1051
01:03:21.039 --> 01:03:23.440
I'm not gonna let this happen. I started going out,

1052
01:03:23.519 --> 01:03:26.320
taking baby steps, going a little further further, go camp

1053
01:03:26.320 --> 01:03:28.880
in the backyard, go camping a pasture, this, that type

1054
01:03:28.920 --> 01:03:31.239
of thing. And I finally got back to doing what

1055
01:03:31.320 --> 01:03:34.280
I was doing, okay, And I was going to this

1056
01:03:34.400 --> 01:03:37.199
place that I hunted that in fact, the place I

1057
01:03:37.239 --> 01:03:39.760
was coming from when I had when I saw this

1058
01:03:39.880 --> 01:03:42.840
day and I was just about to jump over the

1059
01:03:42.880 --> 01:03:45.840
fence on this property that I was able to hunt

1060
01:03:46.360 --> 01:03:48.719
and was very thick. You had to travel the game trails,

1061
01:03:48.800 --> 01:03:54.039
but just this hunting was phenomenal there. And I heard

1062
01:03:54.079 --> 01:03:57.280
something or somebody walking in the trees and I couldn't

1063
01:03:57.280 --> 01:04:01.119
see them. And there was a set of twins that

1064
01:04:01.159 --> 01:04:02.920
I went to school with and they lived on the

1065
01:04:03.000 --> 01:04:06.360
other side of this twelve hundred acres and we all

1066
01:04:06.440 --> 01:04:08.559
hunted this place, so I thought maybe it was them.

1067
01:04:09.199 --> 01:04:12.440
So I hollered out, hey, who's out there, and this thing,

1068
01:04:12.599 --> 01:04:16.519
whatever it was, it stopped. I said, Hey, if that's

1069
01:04:16.559 --> 01:04:18.639
somebody out there, let me know. And the just shiped

1070
01:04:18.679 --> 01:04:21.119
this weight. I said, Hey, look, David, Doug, that one

1071
01:04:21.119 --> 01:04:24.320
of y'all give me shout, man, just ship this weight.

1072
01:04:24.360 --> 01:04:27.360
I said, look, I said, if you don't say something,

1073
01:04:27.760 --> 01:04:32.000
I'm going a fire. Well that's what I did, and

1074
01:04:33.360 --> 01:04:36.440
probably not the smartest decision I've ever made. That I

1075
01:04:36.480 --> 01:04:39.559
popped around off up in the air, and that's when

1076
01:04:39.599 --> 01:04:42.320
all hell brookly was. This thing came charging through the trees.

1077
01:04:42.480 --> 01:04:44.719
It sounded like a bull. It was breaking branches the

1078
01:04:44.760 --> 01:04:47.320
whole nine yards. And I'll be honest with you, man,

1079
01:04:48.920 --> 01:04:52.239
I didn't want to see it. I tuck tail and

1080
01:04:52.239 --> 01:04:55.000
I ran the entire way back home, which is about mile.

1081
01:04:55.960 --> 01:04:58.360
Never looked back, never looked back. If this thing was

1082
01:04:58.360 --> 01:05:00.000
fixing and snatched me up, maybe I didn't want to

1083
01:05:00.119 --> 01:05:04.519
about it. And about a year before my first sighting

1084
01:05:04.559 --> 01:05:07.280
with that thing, we'd had a dog that went that

1085
01:05:07.320 --> 01:05:09.639
went missing. In the horse country. You have several dogs

1086
01:05:09.639 --> 01:05:13.000
and they all live outside, but one of them went

1087
01:05:13.079 --> 01:05:16.159
missing and we found the only way we found him

1088
01:05:16.199 --> 01:05:24.280
was are smelling it. We started smelling and so he

1089
01:05:24.400 --> 01:05:26.039
was under the house. It's not going to go in

1090
01:05:26.119 --> 01:05:27.599
there and get him. So I got a crawl on

1091
01:05:27.719 --> 01:05:29.440
and get him. So I drugged him out. And it

1092
01:05:29.519 --> 01:05:32.320
literally looks something like somebody and I know this is

1093
01:05:32.440 --> 01:05:35.000
this is brutal and it's sad and it's disturbing. I'm

1094
01:05:35.039 --> 01:05:38.440
just being honest with you. It looked like somebody held

1095
01:05:38.480 --> 01:05:42.679
him by his front legs and just gutted him. And

1096
01:05:42.800 --> 01:05:45.079
my dad and this is before I saw anything and

1097
01:05:45.199 --> 01:05:48.760
counted anything or anything like that. My dad told me

1098
01:05:48.760 --> 01:05:50.320
it looks like he probably got into it with a

1099
01:05:50.320 --> 01:05:55.519
bobcat crawled up in that. Okay, the perfectly good explanation

1100
01:05:55.639 --> 01:05:57.480
for me. Dad knows more than not. And there was

1101
01:05:57.559 --> 01:06:02.000
always reports of animals going missing, pets going missing, fowls

1102
01:06:02.119 --> 01:06:04.079
and calves and everything else could tour up or go

1103
01:06:04.119 --> 01:06:06.639
and missing that type of thing, chickens, you name it,

1104
01:06:06.880 --> 01:06:09.239
and everybody. It was always blamed on either a big

1105
01:06:09.320 --> 01:06:12.639
cat mountain lion, which they did come through the area

1106
01:06:12.679 --> 01:06:18.679
on the rare occasion, or this mysterious pack of wild dogs.

1107
01:06:19.639 --> 01:06:23.559
But me or any of my friends that trumped out

1108
01:06:23.559 --> 01:06:29.239
in the woods ever saw. We never saw this mysterious

1109
01:06:29.239 --> 01:06:33.320
pack of wild dogs. Never heard them. Nothing Caldings, absolutely,

1110
01:06:36.719 --> 01:06:41.280
but this mysterious pack of wild dogs that would just

1111
01:06:41.360 --> 01:06:49.199
tear these animals to pieces, and we never saw, you know, anyway.

1112
01:06:49.360 --> 01:06:54.320
So yeah, there's that text that that is probably one

1113
01:06:54.320 --> 01:06:57.239
of the most intense accounts that has been on this

1114
01:06:57.280 --> 01:07:00.599
podcast so far. Thank you for sharing something that is

1115
01:07:03.079 --> 01:07:06.679
it's got to be that. I can't imagine having to

1116
01:07:06.719 --> 01:07:09.079
recall that and just share something like that, so I

1117
01:07:09.400 --> 01:07:14.239
appreciate you sharing it on the show. Would you ever,

1118
01:07:15.159 --> 01:07:19.639
if you had the choice between the two, what would

1119
01:07:19.679 --> 01:07:24.280
you rather encounter out in the field? Bigfoot or a

1120
01:07:24.320 --> 01:07:24.920
dog man.

1121
01:07:26.199 --> 01:07:29.599
I've encountered bigfoot. I've seen plaster in today. I've seen

1122
01:07:30.000 --> 01:07:32.960
three or four times at night. I've had multiple encounters

1123
01:07:33.000 --> 01:07:38.079
that I didn't see, but I'm pretty sure it was him.

1124
01:07:38.360 --> 01:07:43.079
But the dog man I've only seen once, and honestly,

1125
01:07:43.159 --> 01:07:47.000
I still question what I saw, and I think everybody

1126
01:07:47.039 --> 01:07:50.320
does when they have these encounters, even bigfoot encounters. But

1127
01:07:50.400 --> 01:07:54.960
that dog man thing, it's so different physical, the physiology,

1128
01:07:55.239 --> 01:07:58.800
biomechanics that have to exist for this stuff to work.

1129
01:07:59.159 --> 01:08:02.039
It's easier for people to believe that a bigfoot existed

1130
01:08:02.199 --> 01:08:04.199
in you freaking werewolf And that's the only thing I

1131
01:08:04.280 --> 01:08:06.719
knew to call him. When I was age, I saw werewolf.

1132
01:08:06.800 --> 01:08:08.480
I was a dog man. I didn't even know the

1133
01:08:08.519 --> 01:08:16.800
time then, but I'd like to see one again. If

1134
01:08:16.840 --> 01:08:18.640
I had my brothers, I'd rather run into a big

1135
01:08:18.680 --> 01:08:23.199
Foot of course, But on a personal level, I'd like

1136
01:08:23.239 --> 01:08:25.279
to see another I'd like to see another dog man

1137
01:08:25.359 --> 01:08:29.079
or whatever. That thing was just for verification, just for

1138
01:08:29.199 --> 01:08:34.840
validation on my part. But because you questioned, can freaking

1139
01:08:34.880 --> 01:08:39.279
question your sanity? Man? You know much less talk about it.

1140
01:08:39.279 --> 01:08:42.680
I didn't talk about that thing for years. Eight years

1141
01:08:42.720 --> 01:08:45.680
ago is when I went public for this, And that's

1142
01:08:46.000 --> 01:08:47.840
that's that channel that I was talking about where I

1143
01:08:47.840 --> 01:08:50.479
told my first encounter. This is the encounter that I

1144
01:08:50.520 --> 01:08:52.680
told first time I went public about it. And where

1145
01:08:52.680 --> 01:08:55.119
are we now? If you'd have told me then I'd

1146
01:08:55.119 --> 01:08:57.840
be talking to you on the phone or doing my

1147
01:08:57.880 --> 01:09:00.159
own show about all this weird stuff going on out

1148
01:09:00.159 --> 01:09:03.560
and looking for big foot and stuff. What have told you? Your nuts?

1149
01:09:05.079 --> 01:09:08.920
But here I am. But people need to know. People

1150
01:09:08.920 --> 01:09:11.279
needn't know that they're not crazy, that they're not alone,

1151
01:09:11.319 --> 01:09:13.600
that they have a safe place to go and not

1152
01:09:13.680 --> 01:09:16.319
be judged. I don't care what you I don't care what.

1153
01:09:16.359 --> 01:09:18.359
I don't care if you mind speak to these things.

1154
01:09:18.600 --> 01:09:21.560
I don't care if you think they're an eight or

1155
01:09:22.000 --> 01:09:24.760
the dog man is a misidentified big f I don't care.

1156
01:09:26.039 --> 01:09:28.880
But people need a safe place to share their encounters

1157
01:09:28.880 --> 01:09:33.119
and not be judged. And because you don't, you very

1158
01:09:33.119 --> 01:09:36.359
seldom have a support system like I did. It's not

1159
01:09:36.439 --> 01:09:38.279
like we sit around talked about it all the time.

1160
01:09:38.600 --> 01:09:41.720
But they didn't accuse me of stuff either, because when

1161
01:09:41.760 --> 01:09:44.239
you come out of that proverbial bigfoot closet or cryptic

1162
01:09:44.279 --> 01:09:48.399
closet or even the paranormal or UFO closet, as far

1163
01:09:48.399 --> 01:09:51.720
as that goes, UFO is maybe not so much anymore

1164
01:09:51.800 --> 01:09:54.399
because that's a whole nother show. Man.

1165
01:09:54.520 --> 01:09:57.039
Oh I know it it is.

1166
01:09:57.560 --> 01:10:03.359
But yeah, but you get ridiculed, you lose credibility. I

1167
01:10:03.439 --> 01:10:06.800
know it happened to me. I had people that I

1168
01:10:06.880 --> 01:10:09.000
worked with that had known for fifteen twenty years, and

1169
01:10:09.000 --> 01:10:10.720
when I came out of the closet and this stuff,

1170
01:10:10.880 --> 01:10:18.760
my credibility was shot. So I understand what people go through.

1171
01:10:19.520 --> 01:10:22.239
I really do. And I don't care if you want

1172
01:10:22.279 --> 01:10:24.960
to contact me or you or whatever, because I know

1173
01:10:25.119 --> 01:10:29.319
you you're the same as I am. Absolutely, just because

1174
01:10:29.359 --> 01:10:33.119
you contact me with your encounter doesn't mean I'm gonna

1175
01:10:33.319 --> 01:10:35.119
you always. If you're going to talk about contact me,

1176
01:10:35.239 --> 01:10:37.119
you have to be on the show now. If you're

1177
01:10:37.159 --> 01:10:40.640
having if you're having problems, if you're having, if you're

1178
01:10:43.199 --> 01:10:46.119
suffering from PTSD for lack of a better term, but

1179
01:10:46.159 --> 01:10:48.560
if you're traumatized by these encounters, or if you're trying

1180
01:10:48.560 --> 01:10:50.279
to wrap your mind right and you ain't got nobody

1181
01:10:50.319 --> 01:10:52.680
to talk to, reach out to any of us, because

1182
01:10:53.079 --> 01:10:54.720
if you just want to bend in air, we're there.

1183
01:10:55.119 --> 01:10:56.720
If you want to get out there and make it public,

1184
01:10:56.960 --> 01:10:58.760
by all means, will do that, and we'll give you

1185
01:10:58.760 --> 01:11:00.720
a safe place to do it, to throw your name

1186
01:11:00.760 --> 01:11:03.520
all over in your location, all over the places. We're

1187
01:11:03.520 --> 01:11:08.319
gonna protect you. But people need that, they deserve it

1188
01:11:08.840 --> 01:11:11.960
because these encounters. And I know I'm getting my mo

1189
01:11:12.079 --> 01:11:15.640
soap box and I'm passionate about this. People need a

1190
01:11:15.760 --> 01:11:19.439
place to go. We're not therapist by any means, but hey,

1191
01:11:19.479 --> 01:11:20.640
I'll sit down and talk to you all you.

1192
01:11:20.640 --> 01:11:26.960
Want, absolutely, And the cool thing about Texas Front Porch

1193
01:11:27.479 --> 01:11:30.039
and I think this might even be a good time

1194
01:11:30.560 --> 01:11:32.680
for you to share about your show a little bit

1195
01:11:32.760 --> 01:11:35.560
if you don't mind. Is you're not just talking about Bigfoot,

1196
01:11:35.600 --> 01:11:37.319
You're talking about other things as well.

1197
01:11:37.399 --> 01:11:41.039
Right, Oh, Absolutely, we go all over the map, and

1198
01:11:41.279 --> 01:11:44.319
I primarily have a YouTube channel, but I'm also out

1199
01:11:44.319 --> 01:11:47.479
there on every Patience Podcast. We're out there and it's

1200
01:11:47.479 --> 01:11:50.439
not just me. I have a whole network. I had

1201
01:11:50.479 --> 01:11:52.840
a team. We call ourselves an Island and miss Bit

1202
01:11:52.880 --> 01:11:57.439
Toys because that's how you feel when you're in this

1203
01:11:57.520 --> 01:12:05.000
community and you have these experiences. And so I have

1204
01:12:06.000 --> 01:12:08.760
so many people that I'm blessed to have as part

1205
01:12:08.800 --> 01:12:11.600
of my team, and I can't I say my team,

1206
01:12:11.600 --> 01:12:13.119
and I don't really don't look at it that way.

1207
01:12:13.560 --> 01:12:15.640
A lot of us, most of them referred to it

1208
01:12:15.680 --> 01:12:18.640
as the porch crew. We're more than that. You've got

1209
01:12:18.640 --> 01:12:22.720
the Bonds and Booze their channel. You've got Donicho says stuff.

1210
01:12:22.720 --> 01:12:27.520
You've got Danielle Diva, a phenomenal person. Monica Rowlins, you

1211
01:12:27.600 --> 01:12:31.479
might recognize that name was Yeah, she was on the

1212
01:12:31.479 --> 01:12:35.000
first seasonal Monster Quest. She's part of our team. Jason

1213
01:12:35.079 --> 01:12:39.119
MacLean is part of our team. Bigfoot Michigan Rob one

1214
01:12:39.199 --> 01:12:41.560
of the few, one of the few people that I

1215
01:12:41.640 --> 01:12:48.319
know that actually saw a bigfoot and saw it. Vocalized

1216
01:12:48.359 --> 01:12:55.640
at him. It's we. Randy Gilbert. We we lovingly call

1217
01:12:55.760 --> 01:13:00.319
him our tech troll. But I've known him for forty

1218
01:13:00.319 --> 01:13:04.560
plus years. When I talked about none of us saw

1219
01:13:04.600 --> 01:13:08.039
the mysterious pack of wild dog that tore everything up.

1220
01:13:08.680 --> 01:13:11.159
Randy was I spent time out in the wise was Randy.

1221
01:13:11.800 --> 01:13:17.359
So it's like growing up together. So it's we have

1222
01:13:17.560 --> 01:13:22.199
all these people in this network and Brent Thomas, paranor

1223
01:13:22.279 --> 01:13:28.760
a portal. There's something about this group that we've all

1224
01:13:29.000 --> 01:13:34.439
managed to get together that's different because we don't all

1225
01:13:34.479 --> 01:13:37.720
believe the same thing. We don't all think along the

1226
01:13:37.760 --> 01:13:42.600
same lines, and we have different belief systems. One of

1227
01:13:42.640 --> 01:13:45.600
our trackers, I call him Pops. We have that kind

1228
01:13:45.640 --> 01:13:48.479
of relationship. He's out in the field with me almost

1229
01:13:48.600 --> 01:13:52.399
every time I go. He has a different he has

1230
01:13:52.439 --> 01:13:56.560
a completely different belief system in what these creatures are

1231
01:13:56.600 --> 01:13:59.800
capable of that I do. But it doesn't matter because

1232
01:13:59.800 --> 01:14:01.960
if it doesn't have to get along, we don't have

1233
01:14:02.079 --> 01:14:03.960
to believe all the same things. Because if we're not

1234
01:14:04.039 --> 01:14:05.920
open mind or enough to at least go, what if

1235
01:14:05.920 --> 01:14:07.600
I don't care what kind of what camp you're in,

1236
01:14:08.239 --> 01:14:10.359
so not willing to do that, we're gonna be stuck

1237
01:14:10.359 --> 01:14:11.720
in the same place where you have been for the

1238
01:14:11.760 --> 01:14:15.119
last fifty years. Absolutely, we got to learn from each other.

1239
01:14:15.159 --> 01:14:16.439
We've got to learn from each other. We've got to

1240
01:14:16.439 --> 01:14:16.960
work together.

1241
01:14:18.079 --> 01:14:21.800
No, that that's good stuff, man. And the cool thing

1242
01:14:22.680 --> 01:14:26.800
on top of that is you're involved with a upcoming

1243
01:14:26.840 --> 01:14:30.600
conference coming up later this year in twenty twenty five

1244
01:14:30.680 --> 01:14:34.079
where people all you guys are or i'd say a

1245
01:14:34.119 --> 01:14:36.399
good number you guys are going to be at that conference. Right.

1246
01:14:37.640 --> 01:14:40.199
Oh, we're all going to be there, every one unless

1247
01:14:40.199 --> 01:14:43.399
something happens is Locke gets in a way, but we're

1248
01:14:43.439 --> 01:14:47.239
planning everybody being there. Yeah, And it's a huge deal

1249
01:14:47.279 --> 01:14:50.439
to our first conference we've ever put on. I'm excited

1250
01:14:50.439 --> 01:14:53.399
about it. We call it the Crossing Realms Conference, and

1251
01:14:53.439 --> 01:14:57.520
it's September nineteenth and twentieth and at the Eagleton Civic

1252
01:14:57.600 --> 01:15:02.800
Center in Richmond, Missouri, and you can get your tickets

1253
01:15:02.880 --> 01:15:03.359
on it.

1254
01:15:04.000 --> 01:15:06.760
Big for society. Who will be right back after these messages,

1255
01:15:22.920 --> 01:15:23.600
m Bright.

1256
01:15:25.279 --> 01:15:29.560
The here's the list of speakers that we have. Josh

1257
01:15:29.680 --> 01:15:33.439
Hurd with Melbourne. He's at the Melbourne Manor. He's a filmmaker,

1258
01:15:33.600 --> 01:15:37.359
author and lecturer and investigator and hold on you RNs. Yeah,

1259
01:15:37.600 --> 01:15:40.199
Professor HEATHERN. Moser from Small Town Monsters is going to

1260
01:15:40.239 --> 01:15:43.000
be there. She's going to be speaking with Ron Murphy.

1261
01:15:43.840 --> 01:15:45.960
So they're going to be speaking together by the Fae.

1262
01:15:46.479 --> 01:15:49.039
We also have William Munsbord, which is famous for doing

1263
01:15:49.039 --> 01:15:52.199
his work on with the Boggy Creek Monster in a

1264
01:15:52.199 --> 01:15:55.439
Sultwa River basin. It's a great guy. Oh my gosh,

1265
01:15:55.680 --> 01:15:59.079
he's such a sweet man. We also have Lady an Seline,

1266
01:15:59.640 --> 01:16:02.640
which is she's an author and researcher. One of my

1267
01:16:02.800 --> 01:16:05.760
one that I'm really looking forward to and I really

1268
01:16:05.760 --> 01:16:08.720
shouldn't say the SISI U pick favorites Doctor Dean berchram

1269
01:16:09.159 --> 01:16:11.760
Allah Dean to death. He's gonna be talking about the

1270
01:16:11.800 --> 01:16:14.840
UFO stuff. So we got Bigfoot, we got the UFO's,

1271
01:16:14.840 --> 01:16:18.720
we got the Fayet and then we've got Greg Ogels

1272
01:16:19.359 --> 01:16:23.840
and he's filmmaker and researcher. He's doing a lot of

1273
01:16:23.840 --> 01:16:26.039
stuff and he's fixing to do a documentary out on

1274
01:16:26.279 --> 01:16:28.439
We're getting together and he's we're in the middle of

1275
01:16:28.439 --> 01:16:32.479
a dog Man investigation as we speak. We had a

1276
01:16:32.520 --> 01:16:34.439
couple of trips out there. Yeah, we made a couple

1277
01:16:34.479 --> 01:16:37.239
of trips out to this private land. It's two thousand

1278
01:16:37.239 --> 01:16:42.279
acres of private land dated nobody lives on. So yeah,

1279
01:16:42.279 --> 01:16:45.119
it's like a researcher scream. But he's gonna come down

1280
01:16:45.319 --> 01:16:47.159
and we were supposed to be out there right now

1281
01:16:47.279 --> 01:16:50.000
and we had all this weather come in. But he's

1282
01:16:50.039 --> 01:16:52.720
gonna come out and film the documentary out there. Frank

1283
01:16:52.760 --> 01:16:57.399
Campbellletta and Dan Klein jogging recognize those names from the

1284
01:16:57.399 --> 01:17:01.359
han and Garage. They're showing up speak and they're bringing

1285
01:17:01.359 --> 01:17:03.319
a haunted car. How cool is that?

1286
01:17:03.479 --> 01:17:05.319
Right, hated car?

1287
01:17:06.520 --> 01:17:10.039
Yeah? Oh yeah, Sir Brian Bowden's going to be there.

1288
01:17:10.439 --> 01:17:14.239
Really and yeah, I am so mad I can't get

1289
01:17:14.279 --> 01:17:19.680
to this conference now. He's from New York, right, yeah, I.

1290
01:17:19.600 --> 01:17:25.239
Believe so Ah, dude, Miguel Ramirez from Sasquash Studio. Yeah, yeah,

1291
01:17:25.399 --> 01:17:28.279
he's gonna speak. He's gonna be out there. He's gonna speak.

1292
01:17:28.880 --> 01:17:32.199
Special guest people are just gonna be there. Get this,

1293
01:17:32.920 --> 01:17:38.359
Ken Gerhart, Dana Stricker, Brent Thomas, Ryan Edwards, Mike Familiant,

1294
01:17:38.439 --> 01:17:46.079
Christopher Garrettano, Linda Eastburn, David Glidden, and Daniel Stedman from

1295
01:17:46.359 --> 01:17:49.039
dog Man Diaries, which I shared my first experience with.

1296
01:17:49.119 --> 01:17:51.079
We finally we got back until we lost touch for

1297
01:17:51.119 --> 01:17:53.000
a lot of years. We got back in touch and

1298
01:17:53.079 --> 01:17:56.000
she agreed to come as a special guest. And then

1299
01:17:56.319 --> 01:17:58.680
of course it's hosted by the holl of the Misspent Toys,

1300
01:17:58.680 --> 01:18:01.840
which is myself, Brady Christa from Blonds and Booze. You

1301
01:18:01.920 --> 01:18:05.159
got Monica Rollins on our Paranormal World. Well, you got Paul

1302
01:18:05.359 --> 01:18:09.279
from Paranormal among Us, Damiel Diva with the Diva Dimension,

1303
01:18:09.680 --> 01:18:12.600
and also tea time with Duchess Diva. She's an actual

1304
01:18:12.680 --> 01:18:15.640
duchess by the way it goes. I'll tell you something

1305
01:18:15.680 --> 01:18:21.479
really cool about her. Her great uncle was Laudian Paler

1306
01:18:22.039 --> 01:18:29.840
Oh wow, yeah, thanks, Yeah, And some really cool stuff

1307
01:18:29.840 --> 01:18:32.479
about Brandy and Christo with Blonds and Booze. They all

1308
01:18:32.479 --> 01:18:35.640
get a chance to go check them out. They've been

1309
01:18:35.680 --> 01:18:41.640
paranormal investigators for years. They've been involved in private demonic cases.

1310
01:18:41.840 --> 01:18:44.880
They've been in the whole nine yards. Brandy had her

1311
01:18:44.920 --> 01:18:47.960
first book Foo Sighting with Me in Brown Springs. Yeah,

1312
01:18:48.039 --> 01:18:50.520
and that they've done some awesome workout at LBL with

1313
01:18:50.720 --> 01:18:54.279
Craig Ogels and then I just got some and they's

1314
01:18:54.359 --> 01:18:56.239
just a wealth of knowledge when it comes to paranormal

1315
01:18:56.319 --> 01:18:58.600
sign of things. It's just they are such a great

1316
01:18:58.680 --> 01:19:00.520
and I hate to say this, but it's it's true.

1317
01:19:00.680 --> 01:19:03.720
There's such a great asset to have. They're great tools

1318
01:19:03.720 --> 01:19:07.159
in our tool belt with their knowledge and everything, because

1319
01:19:08.279 --> 01:19:09.880
I was doing a whole lot of things wrong when

1320
01:19:09.880 --> 01:19:11.680
it come on the paranormal side and they set me straight.

1321
01:19:11.800 --> 01:19:16.199
Lines Speakfoot Michigan, Rob Randy, Randy Portetrol, Donnie Joe, and

1322
01:19:16.279 --> 01:19:20.199
Jason McLean. That's who you're That's who's hosted. Our sponsors

1323
01:19:21.319 --> 01:19:27.680
want two of our sponsors are Doug Hotcheck. Yeah, and

1324
01:19:28.000 --> 01:19:34.640
also Marylynn Bass with Peril with a Normal and she's

1325
01:19:34.720 --> 01:19:38.600
actually doing a separate gallery reading that weekend. Let me

1326
01:19:38.720 --> 01:19:41.319
run down the activities of the weekend. It is a

1327
01:19:41.399 --> 01:19:46.239
full weekend. Friday night is the meet and greet. Okay,

1328
01:19:48.520 --> 01:19:50.520
that is when you're going to get sit down and

1329
01:19:50.520 --> 01:19:53.600
eat with all these speakers and all these special guests

1330
01:19:55.800 --> 01:19:59.720
while while Miguel gets up there and speaks during dinner.

1331
01:20:01.840 --> 01:20:04.840
Then after dinner, Chris Garretano is going to show his

1332
01:20:04.920 --> 01:20:12.520
new film. That's Friday night. Saturday is the conference. That's

1333
01:20:12.520 --> 01:20:15.399
when all the speakers you're gonna spreak. After the conference,

1334
01:20:15.920 --> 01:20:18.920
that's when we have the gallery reading. It's just in

1335
01:20:19.039 --> 01:20:23.439
the vending area now. Oh and Saturday night a ghost

1336
01:20:23.520 --> 01:20:27.439
hunt at the Ray County Museum which is right there

1337
01:20:27.439 --> 01:20:30.760
on site. And all this benefits the Ray Counting Museum.

1338
01:20:31.000 --> 01:20:33.239
They're having a ghost hunt. And what's really cool about

1339
01:20:33.279 --> 01:20:35.760
this ghost hunt. Normally you go to a conference, you

1340
01:20:35.800 --> 01:20:38.119
watch the speakers, you watch the speakers, you may get

1341
01:20:38.119 --> 01:20:41.119
to eat with them, and that's pretty much it. Right, No,

1342
01:20:41.840 --> 01:20:44.960
all the special guests, all the speakers are gonna be

1343
01:20:44.960 --> 01:20:49.000
on the ghost hunt. Unfortunately, the ghost hunt is sold out,

1344
01:20:49.680 --> 01:20:54.319
sold out, but the vendor area is going to be

1345
01:20:54.359 --> 01:20:57.720
open to the public for free. All these special guests

1346
01:20:57.880 --> 01:21:00.039
and all the speakers are going to be represent and

1347
01:21:00.319 --> 01:21:01.800
they're all gonna have people set up.

1348
01:21:01.920 --> 01:21:02.720
That's huge.

1349
01:21:04.119 --> 01:21:07.239
So it's just gonna be a huge weekend. If you

1350
01:21:07.279 --> 01:21:09.960
don't have the money to pay for the tickets for

1351
01:21:10.039 --> 01:21:14.520
the conference, go just walking around the vending area is

1352
01:21:14.560 --> 01:21:16.640
a chance. If you're trying to start out and meet

1353
01:21:16.680 --> 01:21:19.880
people and hob knob and network, you couldn't ask for

1354
01:21:19.880 --> 01:21:22.840
a better place. This is the who's who of the Bigfoot,

1355
01:21:22.880 --> 01:21:25.119
paranormal and UFO world all spots.

1356
01:21:27.479 --> 01:21:29.720
I'm gonna I'm gonna amp it up for a little bit.

1357
01:21:29.880 --> 01:21:32.079
A good thing to know about this is it's right

1358
01:21:32.119 --> 01:21:37.079
outside of Kansas City, so Midwesterners like myself, if you can,

1359
01:21:37.319 --> 01:21:38.920
it's you know how easy it is to get to

1360
01:21:39.000 --> 01:21:42.199
Kansas City or to fly into It's not that far

1361
01:21:43.039 --> 01:21:45.640
of a drive to where this place is outside of

1362
01:21:45.680 --> 01:21:49.439
Kansas City. Also, people like Heather Moser, they don't get

1363
01:21:49.479 --> 01:21:53.079
out here in the Midwest hardly evers. You definitely want

1364
01:21:53.079 --> 01:21:56.199
to make sure that I'll have links in the show

1365
01:21:56.199 --> 01:21:58.439
notes where you can pick up tickets and all that

1366
01:21:58.520 --> 01:22:02.760
good stuff. But man, this is it's probably going to

1367
01:22:02.840 --> 01:22:05.560
be one of the top conferences of twenty twenty five.

1368
01:22:05.600 --> 01:22:09.399
I would say, wow, thank you so much, thank you.

1369
01:22:09.560 --> 01:22:11.279
It's a labor of love, that's for sure.

1370
01:22:12.319 --> 01:22:14.840
Oh, I know these conferences they take a lot of work,

1371
01:22:14.880 --> 01:22:18.319
but it's definitely worth the connections that the people that

1372
01:22:18.399 --> 01:22:21.720
are going to meet. Just like Sasquatch Summer fested Out

1373
01:22:21.720 --> 01:22:23.399
and Oakridge, this is going to be one of the

1374
01:22:23.399 --> 01:22:25.239
same the people that are going to meet is going

1375
01:22:25.319 --> 01:22:27.880
to change a lot of stuff in the future. Well,

1376
01:22:27.920 --> 01:22:30.279
what's the best way for people to reach out to you,

1377
01:22:30.439 --> 01:22:34.239
Like if they want to report something to you about

1378
01:22:34.600 --> 01:22:36.760
Bround springs or things like that, I want to make

1379
01:22:36.800 --> 01:22:38.319
sure that we get that in there.

1380
01:22:39.760 --> 01:22:41.439
Better way to get a hold of these my email.

1381
01:22:41.840 --> 01:22:44.399
But the Channel does have a phone number and it's

1382
01:22:44.439 --> 01:22:47.319
out there. Just just go the channel it's listed in

1383
01:22:47.600 --> 01:22:49.640
how to get a hold of it. But my email

1384
01:22:49.760 --> 01:22:55.159
is PARACRYPTI encounters at gmail dot com. Perfect, So I

1385
01:22:55.239 --> 01:23:00.119
just yeah, I got some wordplay there. I combined paranormal encryptis.

1386
01:23:00.199 --> 01:23:03.000
It crazy stuff?

1387
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Text?

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Thank you so much for coming on the show today.

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I'm glad we're finally able to get it set up.

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But what a conversation about some wild stuff going on

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down there in Oklahoma slash Texas. But thank you so

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much for coming on the show today.

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Text. Oh, it's been a pleasure. The honors all mine, brother,

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I appreciate it. Man.

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I just wanted to take a few minutes to say

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thank you to you all my listeners for listening to

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the podcast. Please take a minute to help out the

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to us on a podcast, thank you so much, make

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sure that you're subscribed, share the show with a friend. Really,

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it's all about sharing the show wherever you can. If

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you've had a bigfoot encounter related to the following or

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know someone who has. Please reach out to me at

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Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com or pass on my email.

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Here's the list. Number one encounters from Franklin County, Texas.

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Number two encounters from the entire state of Iowa. Number

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three encounters from Oakridge, Oregon or the surrounding area. Number four,

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any individuals that know about bigfoot being flown off after

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the Mount Saint Helens eruption. Number five. Individuals that have

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had a bigfoot encounter while in the military. Number six

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those that have had a bigfoot encounter in the southern

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New Hampshire or north central Massachusetts area, including Franklin County, Massachusetts.

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Number seven individuals that have had a bigfoot encounter in

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a Bible camp or boy Scout camp setting. Number eight

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individuals that have had bigfoot try to enter their house

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forcibly while they were living inside. Number nine individuals that

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have actively have a bigfoot living on their property. And lastly,

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any sightings that are in the Watchitaw National Forest area

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of Oklahoma or Arkansas. A special thank you to all

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the Bigfoot Society Patreon and YouTube channel members. It's your

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support that helps keep the show going and I extremely

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appreciate it. I'll see you back next time. Listeners. SASA

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So there you go.

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I look forward to seeing you there, So make sure

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