Jan. 14, 2025

Beyond Bigfoot with Ryan Edwards!

In this engaging episode of the Bigfoot Society podcast, host Jeremiah Byron discusses cryptozoology with Mr. Ryan Edwards from San Antonio, Texas. The episode focuses on Ryan’s latest book, 'Beyond Bigfoot: The Unrecognized Primates of North...

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Season 1

In this engaging episode of the Bigfoot Society podcast, host Jeremiah Byron discusses cryptozoology with Mr. Ryan Edwards from San Antonio, Texas. The episode focuses on Ryan’s latest book, 'Beyond Bigfoot: The Unrecognized Primates of North America,' highlighting intriguing accounts of mysterious primates like devil monkeys, gugwe, and North American apes. The conversation covers primate sightings across regions, and the importance of combining old-fashioned zoological research with modern-day findings. Ryan also shares personal experiences and observations from his field research, emphasizing the need for continuous exploration and education in the field of cryptozoology.

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Contact Ryan:https://www.facebook.com/RyanEdwardsCryptozoologist

Email: ryanedwards.crypto@gmail.com


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Forward slash the Big for Society and now let's get

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on with the show, all right, Big for Society. We

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got the privilege of talking to mister Ryan Edwards today.

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He's a cryptosologist from San Antonio, Texas. You may remember

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Ryan was back on the podcast, oh man, maybe even

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a few years ago now when his first book came out,

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I believe. But we're having him back on to catch

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up and he's also got some new things cooking. And

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so how are we doing today.

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Brian doing good?

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Pleasure to be on awesome? Oh man? I want to

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say right off the bat. This the new book that

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you've got out the beyond Bigfoot, the other unrecognized primates

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of North America. It is very cool. It is not

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I would say it's different from your normal Bigfoot book,

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but it's a book that needed to be written and

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it is just so cool. How I don't think this

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is giving too much away, but you were able to

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take research that was done a long time ago by

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people such as Lauren Coleman and connect that to current day.

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And there's a lot of reports in there that I

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myself hadn't even seen before. So, man, some really cool

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stuff in this book.

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I appreciate. It is honestly when it comes from me.

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In writing books, I with Sasquatch books especially, I'm like

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everything's already been written about, so I try to bring

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up books like, hey, what been written about yet? And

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the animals and cryptos that I bring up in this book,

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I feel haven't gotten a book yet. So that's the

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reason I wrote.

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This, Yeah, exactly, And I'll you know. For example, there

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are multiple parts of this book, but one of them

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I found very interesting was the whole devil monkey thing.

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Because I've done it's come up every once in a

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while in interviews on this podcast. But man, it's hard

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to find resources about stuff like this. I'm glad that

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you took the time to put it together. What was

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your main motivation in going back and writing another book,

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but this time about these unrecognized primates?

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Pretty much? I always think of this book as a

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good follow up in my second book, Sasquatch Prehistory, that

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one goes into a deep, deep researching of the Sasquatch,

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possible evolutionary origins, prespocal North America, stuff like that. And

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while looking at sasquatch in recent years, we probably both

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saying that type chart of like the ten types of Bigfoot,

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the Patty type, the wind to go type, all that stuff.

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And I looked at that, I'm like, how can we

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break this down morphologically? How can we break this down zoologically?

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So are there ten types of Sasquatch? No, it's very

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unlikely for primates high older primates that have a lot

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of subspecies. So I was like, okay, so let's look

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at it. And then the three that mainly get brought

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up are devil monkeys. That's a well known requipment seemed

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throughout North America that's been researched since the sixties, since

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Mark Hall, Lone Coleman, and in recent years we've bringing

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a new variety of like variety of quote unquote sasquatch.

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You get the gugly phenomenon these sasquatch like species species

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with a mandule like muzzle. And then we also have

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the most American ape napes are seen as more chimpanzee like.

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This is a well known creature of work with Ron Coleman.

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If you know the dexty Illinois prints, it's a sad

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trucks like footprint, but with a divergent big toe. And

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this is a crypto that really hasn't been talked about recently.

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I was like, Okay, let me break this down, see

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what these creatures could be, and also what's the likelihood

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of them? Like, am I suggesting this full unknown species

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of primate Roman North America? Most likely? No, But let's

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go on the idea of like speculative evolution of like

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if these creatures were real, what would they look like?

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What would our evolutionary origins be? And then we do

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have sightings of them, could these be misidentifications? Could these

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be another species we just don't know about yet? And

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that's really what brought me into this book.

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It's a book where I learned a ton from Ryan,

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especially with the nape part, with those tracks, because I've

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seen them over the years. Some that got sent to

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me and I was always like, man, this just feels

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like it's not the normal bigfootprint and like something's off here.

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And now you're able to present this like, yeah, this

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is what's going on here. And actually I had an individual,

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Harley Owens, that captured a track that is very close

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to this nape where it has that one toe branching

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out to the side like that. It's exactly what it

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is that he captured down Tennessee. And this is very recent.

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So I think you're doing a great service to the

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community for bringing this stuff out into the open again,

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because as we both know, it doesn't take long for

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a community like this to maybe forget things that have

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been discovered in earlier years like Lauren Coleman and Mark

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Hall brought to light.

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Yeah, Like that's one thing too, especially with just my

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research in general, is that I very much am a

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person that I look at the past. I'm what I

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call myself an old fashioned crypto zoologist. I look at

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the zoological fields. I look at the biological fields. I'm

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very much I mean, I put myself and like a researcher,

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very much similar to like how wend Hooveman's was. I

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have t Sanderson Lawn, Coleman, ken Gerhart into the modern

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day Love Blackburn, because I try to bring into like, Okay, nowadays,

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at least for modern cryptozoology and modern bigfoot research, it's

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got muddy. It's got muddied up so much by UFOs

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and the paranormal field and supernatural and I'm like, wait, no,

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let's bring out the zoology in cryptozoology and look at

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let's look at the animals, let's look at the old

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fashioned research of like okay, let's know the biological fields,

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let's know primatology. And I am not classically trained in

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these fields, of course, but still you can bring out

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like okay, let's see what we've learned from the past

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and bring it out into the modern day and hopefully

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bring out it kind of like almost a revolution of No.

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Cryptozoology is zoology at its basics, and that's really what

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my research has go after.

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I love that when you were doing research for this book,

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did you make any discoveries along the way that we're like, wow,

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this is completely new to me, or was it more

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just putting all the facts that you knew together in

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a handheld written book.

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Actually, there was a lot of discoveries made along the way,

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a lot of things that I learned that were very

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interesting to me. Like, for instance, not a lot of

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people realized that primates, first of all, appear in North America.

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Some of the first primates evolved around sixty six million

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years ago. These were known as purgatorious. But then some

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well known primaries called plesiadapa forms. These are very much

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like lemurs tasier like primates that died out about thirty

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three about thirty seven million years ago. But they had

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a long lineage and it existed from like sixty six

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to thirty thirty seven million years ago, and then around

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thirty seven million years ago Wheniapholms formed these old gleam

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aur like primates that roamed North America back in the EOC.

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And I bring in the ideas like, okay, so primates

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war here a long time ago, and we believed they

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died out around thirty seven million years ago. It's interesting

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back around twenty six point three million years ago a

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primary called igo lash kalala that means little catman, and sue,

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this primate just came out of came out of nowhere.

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Less known primates from the false record were about ten

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million years before this one. Where does creature come from?

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This idea is of like what we like to call

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ghost lineages animals. Does the kind of pop out of

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nowhere with an evolution, and especially with primatology. Ask any

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good primatologists or biologists don't say we only know about

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ten percent of all primates known to the world. So

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that really brings in the ideas of like, let's look

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at here American, see if we could see primates evolving

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here in the more modern day of the fire scene

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and replace to see.

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It's extremely interesting, man, especially the whole catman thing. When

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I was reading the book, I was like, oh wow,

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this is a new one for me and definitely learning

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a lot. And also I wanted to point out I

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was reading through I was being man, it would be

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cool if there are some pictures. He's describing the pictures,

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and then you get to the back there's some solid pictures.

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It's a great appendix in the back of pictures that

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are shouted out during the writing of it. So it's

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got great encounters. It's got also great pictures, some of

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which I don't think I'd seen at least one of

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them before. Maybe I just wasn't looking in the right areas.

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But some really interesting stuff, the unrecognized primates that are

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called out in this book. Have you actually yourself been

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out to try to do any field where to look

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into these primates or try to see them for yourself, But.

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Me, I have not. I've been in areas before that

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we've had signings. For instance, I've done research in East

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Texas with bigfoot, and there have been double monkey sidings

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in the same area. But a lot of these creatures,

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for instance, the gug wee, it's primarily seen in pots Canada,

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and recent sidings have been spreading into the more Mississippi

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River delta. But for me, field research is a secondhand step.

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It's like I try to do it as much as

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I can, but being a full time educator and being

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very busy my schedule, field research is not a large

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effic of my research. A lot of it is the

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more academic side of it, looking at textbooks all day

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and looking at human and anatomy posts like Okay, like,

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what could these primates look like? And I've been in

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areas what they've been seen before, but actually researching them

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in the field, I have not yet.

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We were talking about earlier before that in the pre

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interview that you had actually made it up to the

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Red River, Texas area and experience some interesting things, maybe

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something that was a little bit out of the ordinary.

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Would you mind sharing about that?

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Of course, yes. I recalled Brown Springs. Good friends of mine,

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Texas Wesson and Jason McLean, researchers, were at the Texas

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Front Porch. They've been researching out there for years now,

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and they invited me out and I was like, yeah,

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let me come along. Because they've gotten the bigfoot signs

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out there. There's been dog man signs out there. There's

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a haunted cemetery on top of a hill with a

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natural spring to it. So I was like, okay, it's

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not there, spooky stay place. Let me go check it out.

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And I was there with a couple of young guys,

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a good friend of mine, Nick, and there was one

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night we're like, okay, we had a thermal imager and

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we're like, let's burn the fields. Burned. The back of

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the field see if we've seen any thing pop up.

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And this is a phenomenon I've always heard of, but

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I've never experienced myself. We turned this one corner, we

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had all our windows down. We'll probably going to maybe

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ten months per hour in this car. All of a sudden,

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old insects, old and noise has stopped out of nowhere.

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it got quiet, isn't it. And we just listen and

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this you there's no sound at all. And there was

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a thermometer in the car, and we learn from the

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screen and from I belief like from like seventy six

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down to like fifty seven and like less of five minutes.

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that weird feeling of like there's something here that doesn't

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want us here. And this is the phenomenon we've had

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occurred with like bigfoot, for bigfoot sidings, and this part

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of the property we were on has had a lot

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of bigfoot signings and past So this conclusive evidence, no,

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but it was a weird experience. And also on that

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same expedition, we were in the back part of property

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as well, and this is right along the Red River,

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and I'll host texts. He said, yeah, this time of

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year usually if there's any sash watching the area down

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on the other side of the river on the high ground.

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thought I heard about like a whoop, like almost like

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a like a howl in the distance, and then sound

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canine sound primate like, and it was coming from the

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other side of Red River, and I was like, I

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looked at the other guys that were with me, and

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we're like, they hear that. They're like, yeah, we heard

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that too. Was it a possible auditory siding of a

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sash watch. It's possible, But I always try not to

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jump to conclusions. Because I was right on the edge

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of my hearing, I can't really make conclusions. But it

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did sound very primate like.

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That's interesting. It's an area of where it comes up

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every once in a while, and there's some really intense

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things that can happen down near that area that have

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been reported. So maybe someday in the future I'll make

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it down there. Your viewpoint as a cryptozoologist when you're

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thinking of about this, You've stated in your book you

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have all these unrecognized primates of North America. Your viewpoint

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of Bigfoot then, is it similar to how you're viewing

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these other things or are you viewing Bigfoot a little

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bit different as well than that?

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Oh, I viewed fast Watch very similarly. Like stated earlier,

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this third book is a kind of a sequel to

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my second book, Sasqatch Free History, because with Fast Watched,

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I come at it from very much I'm all fashioned,

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I'm an aper. I believe it's an unknown ae unorganized

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ABC in North America. I don't believe it's a human species.

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Pigs, a society who will be right back after these messages.

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The anatomy doesn't shouldn't suggest the human species, and also

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lack of culture. And in my second book, Stashwatch Preehistory,

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I came out of Shashwatch from very much a prystal

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galintons because my biggest issue with Bigfoot siding is just

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the size of this creature. These animals are seen to

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be like eight to nine feet tall, and if anyone

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knows anything about zoology, animals that are larger, animals that

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are most specialized usually die out quicker. Look at the

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megafinal species of classed in North America. They are almost

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all of them extinct. I look at sasqulagic not through

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a modern lens, but through a peristal galons. This is

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truly a piece of classis in megafauna that most likely,

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thanks to its intelligence and thanks to its adaptations, has

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been able to survive into the modern day. Like our

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reference in the book, people don't realize that grizzly bears

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have been around for like more than ten million years.

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Grizzly bears lived alongside mamis why can a sasquatch other

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than the ideas like what a sasquatch evolutionary history? Where

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could it have come from? Because these animals are animals.

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Every animal has their natural history CRYPTI all known species.

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I speculate on where these animals came from. What is

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their morphology from, like sightings, what's the behavior set? What

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can we get from sightings and what we see? And

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also what is their ecology? If these are natural species

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living in the world, they have to fit in some

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type of niche. Are they at apex creditor? They have omnivore?

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Are they a frugivore? But sasquatch and a lot of

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these unknown primates they were very much apex omnible. They're

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not a hyperconnivore. They're not like a cat or dog,

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but they're very adaptable. They eat a wide variety of things.

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You can tell by the dentition. For instance, when people

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referencing sasquatch, I've heard eyewitnesses talk about kids calling Lincoln

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log teeth because they're very human like teeth. From our

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own dentation, we can suspect, yeah, these animals are most

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likely highly adaptable with meat, hard nuts, stuff like that

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would having grinding molars. Because one bigger aspect of biology,

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not all that people look at is dentition, is a teeth.

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If you know how animals teeth look like, you can

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speculate on what that animal eats. You can speculate on

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their niche and also how they probably look like. So

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that's one thing I try to look at with sasquatch

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primarily is like the ideas of like their biology, because

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this is truly a biological.

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Species, something that I have tried to trying to wrap

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my mind around how I feel about it, just because

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as I go along the last few years talking to

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people daily, but also starting to go out to different

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areas and experience things as an individual that their viewpoint

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of Bigfoot is primarily I would probably even say one

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hundred percent that it is an ape. How do you

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deal with reports where there have been individuals that say,

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experience something that I can't explain, or heard something, or

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there seems to be something related to these reports that

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are not within the normal realm of science.

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Yeah, the more wu aspect of this field that has

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come out in recent years, Yeah, that's an aspect that

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I bring into my research. Like, for instance, a couple

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of weeks ago, I did an interview with a Wes

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Germer of Sasquatch Chronicles, and he brought up the loup, Like,

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what about all this aspect? And in my honest opinion,

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it's just it's not where my research is. I acknowledge

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that the phenomena does occur, but it's like trying to

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have me make an opinion on quantum physics. If I

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don't know it, I'm not going to make an opinion

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on it. My research is primarily based on zoology and

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physical sciences. Yes, there is other phenomena occurring, but my

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research doesn't go into it. So it's just hard to

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make really an opinion on it. I acknowledge that there's

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other events occurring around these creatures being seen around the world,

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especially with sasquatch phenomena. But even like my good friends

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texts Wes and Jason mccleanbring up what if there's different

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phenomena occurring but with the same face, Like what if

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there's something else occurring here that looks like sasquatch but

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isn't the sasquatch. And that's one thing I've bring in

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with my research as well, like, Okay, there's other Like

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with me being a general cryptois logist, I just don't

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do Bigfoot. I do all types of creatures like from

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Bigfoot to walk the sponsor to I've had thunderbird sidings, mothman,

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dog men, and researching these other cryptids it makes me

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think like, yeah, there is something paranormal occurring, But with sasquatch,

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there's there's too much for the fisial side, there's too

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much for it being some type of biological species to

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try to disprove it being something supernatural, Like it makes

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sense biologically, so why would we throw the baby out

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with the bath water? Once phenomenon start occurring.

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Very interesting, Yeah, it'll be I think we man I

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don't even know what's going to happen in twenty twenty five.

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To be honest, it feels like there's so much I

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don't know. I hear a lot of things, and there's

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a lot of behind the scenes research that's going on

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right now. I man, I don't know. Maybe it's just

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me being overly positive, and I would hope that this

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is the year where we get some really cool stuff

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that comes out, maybe evidence wise, I think all of

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us hope that. It feels like it may have been

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a while since there's been something substantial, But have you

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Are there any things of evidence that come to mind

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over the last few years that you've you've seen and

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thought were pretty cool.

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A piece of evidence For me, There's been a couple

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of signings I've been interesting. For instance, I'm trying to

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think of one signing I'm bringing forward right now, but

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like a lot of signings recently have been very indicative

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of like a lot of primate behavior. For instance, in

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Texas come for years back, there were and I believe

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this by Houston, there were and the story in the

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news is about a escaped chimpanzee out on the loose,

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and I was like, okay, Eskate chimpanzee. That brings my

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interest and looking at it, I'm like, wait, these people

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are reference to a chimpanzee that's six foot tall. I

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don't know what they're seeing, but I don't think that

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the chimpanzee is like a lot of things like that.

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For instance. Of course, one big piece of evidence that

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I'm looking at a little bit more now thanks to

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a good friend of mine, is stick structures down here

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in San Antonio, a good friend of mine, Rob Nichols,

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American Bigfoot. He's been bringing out more ideas of like

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these stick structures of Saskquats building, these fairly elaborate structures

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that don't look like they were made by humans. And

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I've gone out in the field with Rod and I'm

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seeing these in person. I'm like, no, this this is

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something peculiar. This is something that this isn't human made.

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That's like a piece of evidence with sass watch. I've

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never really looked into soil seeing it in person, and

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I'm like, Okay, no, like this might be something I

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might want put a little bit more time and effort

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into researching.

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Absolutely, I'm glad that we were able to bring up

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Rod because I was just about to. I just had

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Rod Nichols on the show a few episodes back from

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Barrett County Bigfoot, of course, from around the same area

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where you're at in San Antonio. After that episode, there

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are many people that reached more than a few I'd

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say that reached out saying yeah, I am also having

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some weird stuff happen, sightings, class be stuff just around

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these different areas of San Antonio. Have you, besides going

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out with Rod in the field and looking at stick structures,

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have you run into anyone who's had encounters down there

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or been able to have any communication with people besides

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the stick structure related things.

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I've had some signings. I talked. One interesting thing that's

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been bringing out a lot of eye witnesses recently is

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right now in s Antonio, Me and Brod and did

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a good friend of Miniskers, Jordan, another podcast of Curious Realm.

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We're doing an event series here in San Antonio call

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it Imposium of the Strange. It's based at a local

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restaurant and pretty much what it is, it's like a

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mini conference every two months. We've brought out Ken Gehard before,

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we've brought out Alien Ductee, we've brought out the Clean Brothers,

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the ghost hunting like the ghost researchers, and when we're

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doing these events, we've had a couple of people come

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up to us like, yeah, like I saw this, Oh,

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I've heard of this before. And I've been hearing a

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lot more witness accounts and also not just bigfoot accounts, like,

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for instance, a couple of weeks ago, I got a

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siding with someone referenced the Lachuso and their siding. I

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know I've gotten even a dog man report in a

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couple of days ago. Actually, So I believe right now

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it's helpful us doing these events and talking to the

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community a little bit more, because then how many times

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do people see something weird? But the who do I

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go to? We're not going to go to the cops

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for this, They're not gonna they might not even hear

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for cryptos of all, just until they go to an event.

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Here's someone talking about a big point. Oh, I had

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a siding, So I'm excited to see what else comes

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about of this. But yeah, I've had a couple I've

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heard of a couple a couple of dog man imports

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in this area. Before your front researcher based in Santonio's well,

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a guy named Aaron Geese, very well known for his

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Texas dog Maned Triangles book. Of course, Rod Nichols a

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Rod gets sighting is a lot of people in the area,

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like people have been seeing santhalg in the Bernie area

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and San Antonio. And it's interesting to me because I've

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even brought this up iron before that, so that's watching

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Santonio does very sounds very unlikely, but there is evidence

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for it. What I believe is happening down here in

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San Antonio is that we are a very large city,

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but we have a lot of creek, creek and wattle waterways.

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Rod brings up this a lot of creek in his research.

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I think these animals are migratory. They're moving through San Antonio,

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moving through these areas, but they're not consisting there, They're

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not staying there lives, And that brings up the ideas

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of Bigfoot being migratory in the first place. Like I

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believe these animals are highly migratory and they have very

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large ranges because if you think of like how much

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calories this animal would need, how many square miles as

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animal would need, Like we compare it to a black bear,

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00:26:31.960 --> 00:26:35.240
because this is an indicated species for sasquatch. But I'm

451
00:26:35.240 --> 00:26:37.839
being up that they will probably have a couple hundred

452
00:26:37.880 --> 00:26:41.240
miles in a home range, and also they will probably

453
00:26:41.279 --> 00:26:44.160
need the caloric needs of like a large grizzly bear.

454
00:26:44.839 --> 00:26:48.160
Being one area consistently doesn't sound likely for an animal

455
00:26:48.319 --> 00:26:51.519
like that, because if you look at bears and other

456
00:26:51.559 --> 00:26:54.039
animals like that, they have large home ranges as well.

457
00:26:54.440 --> 00:26:57.359
I think satisquatch would be the same way. They're moving

458
00:26:57.400 --> 00:27:02.440
through areas, moving using creek ways because think Legendimbary Creek.

459
00:27:02.440 --> 00:27:05.039
What did they say, they always follow the creeks. I

460
00:27:05.079 --> 00:27:08.519
believe these animals use these waterways to get to areas

461
00:27:08.599 --> 00:27:10.920
that they need to get in to resources and hide

462
00:27:10.920 --> 00:27:12.119
away from humans as well.

463
00:27:14.119 --> 00:27:18.319
Now I agree with you as definitely with that statement.

464
00:27:18.440 --> 00:27:22.640
Are there you know, any food resources that would be

465
00:27:22.720 --> 00:27:26.400
available for them around the city of San Antonio that

466
00:27:26.440 --> 00:27:26.880
you found?

467
00:27:26.960 --> 00:27:30.240
Yeah, we actually have a large whitetail deer population. Like

468
00:27:30.680 --> 00:27:34.319
literally last night I was driving on a road called

469
00:27:34.440 --> 00:27:37.000
Acadochis this is the road in the middle of town,

470
00:27:37.599 --> 00:27:40.240
let you know, and almost had a deer while driving home.

471
00:27:40.559 --> 00:27:44.119
Because we have a large deer population. Even I lived

472
00:27:44.599 --> 00:27:47.480
maybe ten minutes away from downtown and I had a

473
00:27:47.519 --> 00:27:50.720
whitetail deer being seen less than five minutes away from here.

474
00:27:51.359 --> 00:27:54.319
We also have, of course raccoons positives things like that,

475
00:27:54.400 --> 00:27:57.680
and also we have a lot of areas where these

476
00:27:57.720 --> 00:28:01.119
animals can hide away from and even in some of

477
00:28:01.119 --> 00:28:03.359
the creek creek ways we have here, we do have

478
00:28:03.799 --> 00:28:07.079
fish and also aquatic life they can survive off of.

479
00:28:07.640 --> 00:28:10.119
Like even I think people have seen like things like

480
00:28:10.160 --> 00:28:13.599
crawfish and crawdads in the creeks if these animals could

481
00:28:13.920 --> 00:28:16.400
possibly try to survive off of them. But I think

482
00:28:16.440 --> 00:28:19.000
primarily they're going after white tailed deer in this area,

483
00:28:19.440 --> 00:28:22.559
and even I thought I even bring up ideas of

484
00:28:22.680 --> 00:28:27.039
maybe these more urban areas maybe they would go after

485
00:28:27.240 --> 00:28:32.279
maybe fail dogs, the fairl cats, because if you're lost

486
00:28:32.359 --> 00:28:35.559
omnivore and it's smaller than you, it's good. It could

487
00:28:35.559 --> 00:28:37.799
be a food resource if necessary.

488
00:28:40.920 --> 00:28:44.599
Yeah, it the that reminds me of an email that

489
00:28:44.680 --> 00:28:49.359
I had just gotten in the other day about unfortunately

490
00:28:49.359 --> 00:28:53.480
with some of these situations in dogs and cats do disappear,

491
00:28:53.759 --> 00:28:57.880
larger dogs as well. It's it's a very interesting thing.

492
00:28:57.880 --> 00:28:59.240
I don't think a lot of people like to talk

493
00:28:59.279 --> 00:29:02.000
about it because it's one of those sides of it

494
00:29:02.079 --> 00:29:06.960
where it's not the pretty side or the fun side.

495
00:29:07.000 --> 00:29:14.440
There's sometimes repercussions from these creatures being around that might

496
00:29:14.640 --> 00:29:18.119
be things that we might not want to necessarily deal with,

497
00:29:18.160 --> 00:29:22.160
the loss of pets or things of that nature. Maybe

498
00:29:22.200 --> 00:29:26.079
even people too, I don't know, but that's a whole different.

499
00:29:25.920 --> 00:29:29.000
Like I've even made jokes of like because when me

500
00:29:29.160 --> 00:29:31.559
and Rod have gone out and seen these stick structures,

501
00:29:31.599 --> 00:29:36.200
we've seen like human dwellings nearby, like homeless people living

502
00:29:36.200 --> 00:29:39.039
in these parks that we see these stick structures. I'm

503
00:29:39.079 --> 00:29:41.519
just sometimes I looked at him and I'm like, I

504
00:29:41.599 --> 00:29:44.519
wonder what they've seed and also where did they go,

505
00:29:44.599 --> 00:29:47.119
because a lot of times this stuff's been abandoned, and

506
00:29:47.160 --> 00:29:49.759
it's like I'm like, maybe fast walks got them. But

507
00:29:49.799 --> 00:29:51.839
it's like as a joke, but also you've got to

508
00:29:51.880 --> 00:29:58.240
think of these aren't the big cudly pets people sometimes

509
00:29:58.240 --> 00:30:03.599
think of the mass, aren't the benevolent gods of the forest.

510
00:30:03.640 --> 00:30:07.680
These are wild animals and people have brought up They're

511
00:30:07.759 --> 00:30:10.640
safe that any animal, even a pet, if you make

512
00:30:10.680 --> 00:30:12.839
them angry enough to put them in the corner, will

513
00:30:12.880 --> 00:30:18.680
bite you. So these creatures are large omnivores and can't

514
00:30:18.680 --> 00:30:21.559
be dangerous towards people and pets and things like that.

515
00:30:22.039 --> 00:30:24.839
Pigs a society who will be right back after these messages,

516
00:30:40.799 --> 00:30:41.359
And that's.

517
00:30:41.200 --> 00:30:44.480
Something people don't want to bring up because I think

518
00:30:44.480 --> 00:30:47.039
it just brings out the more negative side of the

519
00:30:47.079 --> 00:30:49.759
field people see. That brings out the more like the

520
00:30:49.839 --> 00:30:53.440
fear mongering of Bigfoot to an extent of like cryptosology

521
00:30:53.440 --> 00:30:56.880
in general, the more fantastical side, the more Oh, these

522
00:30:56.920 --> 00:30:59.400
are a bunch of monster hunters going out and looking

523
00:30:59.440 --> 00:31:02.119
for monsters of woods. It's like, No, these are real

524
00:31:02.160 --> 00:31:05.519
life creatures living in the woods. But like any wild animal,

525
00:31:05.680 --> 00:31:08.000
it could be highly dangerous, especially with the size of

526
00:31:08.039 --> 00:31:11.559
it is and the intelligence. Like I think I've heard

527
00:31:11.599 --> 00:31:14.680
Cliff Bergman say before, if these animals wanted to kill people,

528
00:31:14.960 --> 00:31:17.440
we want to have a National park Service right now. Like,

529
00:31:18.000 --> 00:31:20.400
they could be dangerous, But do they go out and

530
00:31:21.400 --> 00:31:25.039
a proparch to really go after people? They unlikely because

531
00:31:25.240 --> 00:31:27.160
I think there's long enough to know. Oh, if one

532
00:31:27.200 --> 00:31:29.960
person goes missing, soon enough you have a search party,

533
00:31:30.000 --> 00:31:32.559
and now there's one hundred people in the woods, so

534
00:31:33.240 --> 00:31:35.880
maybe they have intelligence to note things like that.

535
00:31:39.000 --> 00:31:42.200
Bigfoot is such an interesting topic because there are so

536
00:31:42.400 --> 00:31:46.319
many different ways to look at it in different viewpoints,

537
00:31:46.519 --> 00:31:51.039
and everyone that has experienced something has their own bias

538
00:31:51.319 --> 00:31:53.400
and way that they look at the world. It's just

539
00:31:53.720 --> 00:31:58.119
to me, it's a fascinating topic for sure. Yourself, being

540
00:31:58.119 --> 00:32:01.400
a cryptozoologist, you already brought up that, yes, you're not

541
00:32:01.519 --> 00:32:07.119
just looking into Bigfoot or these unrecognized primates. You're looking

542
00:32:07.119 --> 00:32:10.240
into all sorts of different things out there. Do you

543
00:32:10.359 --> 00:32:13.759
have a favorite one that you know if you were

544
00:32:13.960 --> 00:32:16.759
able to, like, let's look into this one. Is there

545
00:32:16.799 --> 00:32:19.519
one that always brings your focus back?

546
00:32:21.440 --> 00:32:25.400
Well, that one probably One crypto that's always bought a

547
00:32:25.400 --> 00:32:29.000
lot of interest to me was the Morosi. The morosi

548
00:32:29.440 --> 00:32:32.839
is an unknown, like possible lion species that has been

549
00:32:33.119 --> 00:32:36.920
seen in Kenya before these were known as the spotted lions.

550
00:32:37.359 --> 00:32:40.480
Loan Comen bought these apple a lot back in his

551
00:32:40.599 --> 00:32:44.279
early research, and parts of West Kenya people are seeing

552
00:32:44.319 --> 00:32:49.720
lions but without manes and spotted coats. And this is

553
00:32:49.720 --> 00:32:52.279
a crypto that brings up my interest, not because how

554
00:32:52.640 --> 00:32:56.160
fantastical it is or how it's like a monstrage because

555
00:32:56.200 --> 00:32:58.799
of how realistic it is, Like there's a lot of

556
00:32:58.839 --> 00:33:01.640
cryptives around the world people don't realize and don't know

557
00:33:01.680 --> 00:33:05.799
about that could very much be real. Like, for instance,

558
00:33:05.880 --> 00:33:08.640
down in South America, people reference to the map and Grawy.

559
00:33:09.920 --> 00:33:11.599
A lot of people reference to map and Grawy is

560
00:33:11.640 --> 00:33:14.079
a big foot like creature. But when you really look

561
00:33:14.119 --> 00:33:16.680
at the signings, people are referencing something more similar to

562
00:33:17.000 --> 00:33:22.119
a ground sloth, something that existed in prehistory. Even an

563
00:33:22.160 --> 00:33:25.200
interesting aspect of it was a lot of Native American

564
00:33:25.240 --> 00:33:28.920
stories too. Some Native American stories reference animals that they

565
00:33:28.960 --> 00:33:32.759
reference as giant bears with giant claws that could stand

566
00:33:32.839 --> 00:33:36.799
up on two feet, and we're very like smelly animals,

567
00:33:36.799 --> 00:33:40.440
and these Native American stories and looking at it, it's

568
00:33:40.440 --> 00:33:43.799
like they're not referencing giant bears, referencing what sounds like

569
00:33:43.799 --> 00:33:46.640
a giant ground sloth. Back in the day. With me,

570
00:33:46.839 --> 00:33:50.079
especially in cryptozoology, I'm very much I look at it

571
00:33:50.079 --> 00:33:53.000
from a preforklans. I'm a very much a fan of

572
00:33:53.880 --> 00:33:57.480
mamifs and ground sloths and smileotons. I literally had a

573
00:33:57.480 --> 00:33:59.960
smilot on skull on my desk. So I'm speaking to

574
00:34:00.039 --> 00:34:02.400
you right now I try to look at a lot

575
00:34:02.400 --> 00:34:05.279
of these cryptos in around the world that have more

576
00:34:05.759 --> 00:34:08.679
prys folk aspect. I think also another one I would

577
00:34:08.760 --> 00:34:13.119
love to go after is the Queensland tiger. This is

578
00:34:13.159 --> 00:34:17.000
a unknown people think of it as a feline being

579
00:34:17.079 --> 00:34:21.280
seen out in Queensland, Australia, But when you look at

580
00:34:21.280 --> 00:34:25.039
the signs of these creatures, they reference a striped body

581
00:34:25.679 --> 00:34:28.039
almost like they said that almost like almost a human

582
00:34:28.159 --> 00:34:31.000
like hand to it add around it head like a

583
00:34:31.000 --> 00:34:34.280
feline and it climbs trees. What they're referencing is an

584
00:34:34.280 --> 00:34:39.960
amalcarthyicalio Ta Carnifax was a what we called the malsupial lion.

585
00:34:40.599 --> 00:34:43.760
It was about the size of a mountain lion and

586
00:34:43.800 --> 00:34:47.199
it was a massupial that was related to a koala

587
00:34:47.360 --> 00:34:52.480
or kangaroo. But if you look at picture of Thaklea,

588
00:34:52.760 --> 00:34:55.519
you would think that it's a cat. That's another great

589
00:34:55.559 --> 00:35:00.280
example of converging evolution. So that's also another cryptot. It

590
00:35:00.320 --> 00:35:03.679
seems awfully realistic that I would love to try to

591
00:35:03.679 --> 00:35:05.039
go after in future research.

592
00:35:08.800 --> 00:35:11.880
You bring up something that was actually on my mind

593
00:35:11.920 --> 00:35:13.840
because I was trying to remember if we talked about

594
00:35:13.880 --> 00:35:16.159
it last time, and I'm just gonna bring it up

595
00:35:16.239 --> 00:35:20.840
just in case. Something that I've found over the years

596
00:35:20.840 --> 00:35:23.960
that i've done this coming up on we're past five now,

597
00:35:24.679 --> 00:35:29.920
I've found that there seems to be almost you can

598
00:35:30.000 --> 00:35:34.880
tie threads together, that some of these sightings of cryptids

599
00:35:34.920 --> 00:35:39.920
seem to be related to animals that have a prehistoric background.

600
00:35:40.000 --> 00:35:44.679
It feels like there's something there, but I'm not quite

601
00:35:44.760 --> 00:35:48.079
sure how to how it would tie all together. But

602
00:35:48.159 --> 00:35:50.599
you mentioned the ground slots, and I mean there's sightings

603
00:35:50.599 --> 00:35:53.920
of those even in I believe it Sherman County, New

604
00:35:54.000 --> 00:35:57.320
York back in the day, and there's your thunderbirds and

605
00:35:57.400 --> 00:36:01.800
your your I believe there's even maybe Willie mammoths sightings

606
00:36:01.960 --> 00:36:04.480
every once in a while way up in northern Alaska.

607
00:36:05.199 --> 00:36:08.119
Do you feel like, man, I feel like you could

608
00:36:08.119 --> 00:36:12.159
take it a few different ways. Is are there maybe

609
00:36:12.519 --> 00:36:16.920
areas where these creatures just didn't go extinct and they're

610
00:36:16.960 --> 00:36:21.199
hanging out like the Headless Valley up in the Northwest Territories.

611
00:36:23.360 --> 00:36:25.840
Actually, I think there could be reaches that these animals

612
00:36:25.840 --> 00:36:28.679
could have survived for instances. Yeah, you bring up to

613
00:36:28.679 --> 00:36:32.679
the Honi Valley, the Headless Valley of Alasta. It's interesting

614
00:36:32.719 --> 00:36:38.679
because that area, people reference animals that should have gone

615
00:36:38.679 --> 00:36:42.320
extinct a long time ago. The natives referencing reference the

616
00:36:42.320 --> 00:36:46.320
giant bear that they've seen that has longer legs than

617
00:36:46.320 --> 00:36:49.760
a grizzly bear, that's much larger than grizzly bear, that

618
00:36:49.880 --> 00:36:54.440
has a short face. They're literally referencing Octotis dims, the

619
00:36:54.519 --> 00:36:58.239
short face bear. And another animal being seen in this

620
00:36:58.320 --> 00:37:02.159
area is something called the wa heat. The Wahila is

621
00:37:02.159 --> 00:37:05.119
a giant like white wolf that they're seen. But it's

622
00:37:05.199 --> 00:37:09.519
interesting because this white wolf has a long, almost alter

623
00:37:09.760 --> 00:37:13.960
like tail day reference, and it's built more like a bear.

624
00:37:14.000 --> 00:37:17.599
It's very stocky, very much like a mix of a

625
00:37:17.639 --> 00:37:21.159
wolf and a bear. If you look at prehistory, we

626
00:37:21.280 --> 00:37:24.840
have an animal called literally called bear dog, so Anphracioni day.

627
00:37:25.239 --> 00:37:29.360
The Anphracioni day wore a creature that's found in Miocene

628
00:37:29.360 --> 00:37:33.639
and Plascene in North America that was morphologically very similar

629
00:37:33.639 --> 00:37:37.000
to Ursudinians and Canaans. They were possibly one of the

630
00:37:37.079 --> 00:37:41.199
last common ancestors between these two groups of caniforms. And

631
00:37:42.159 --> 00:37:46.480
these native tribes are referencing an amphision when they shouldn't

632
00:37:46.480 --> 00:37:50.599
know what amphision is, and they tell stories also in

633
00:37:50.639 --> 00:37:54.519
the Hani Valley. The Jahila is like the apex predator

634
00:37:54.519 --> 00:37:58.199
in that area. But they referenced there's another predator that

635
00:37:58.280 --> 00:37:59.280
the Wahila.

636
00:37:58.960 --> 00:38:02.920
Is scared of, and it's a lion. They reference it's

637
00:38:02.920 --> 00:38:06.079
a lion like almost looks like a mountain lion, but

638
00:38:06.280 --> 00:38:08.599
it's like double the size of a regular mountain lion.

639
00:38:08.599 --> 00:38:12.360
It's like, decide, like a launch bear. What they could

640
00:38:12.360 --> 00:38:14.440
be referencing up there too is the.

641
00:38:14.440 --> 00:38:19.440
American lion, the American lion, and there at Leoatris was

642
00:38:19.880 --> 00:38:24.519
a lion the size of a black bear. It was

643
00:38:24.559 --> 00:38:28.039
truly gigantic, one of the probabably largest feline species to

644
00:38:28.159 --> 00:38:31.559
ever exist, And maybe this creature could be surviving in

645
00:38:31.599 --> 00:38:35.679
parts of North America into this day. For instance, I

646
00:38:35.760 --> 00:38:38.239
believe I think it was like in the nineteen nineties,

647
00:38:38.440 --> 00:38:42.679
people referencing bison being killed out in a Yellowstone by

648
00:38:42.679 --> 00:38:45.599
some predative people didn't know about. They look like some

649
00:38:45.719 --> 00:38:50.639
type of a giant cat. Maybe this could be very small

650
00:38:50.679 --> 00:38:55.400
populations of relic American lions. Maybe American troll face bear

651
00:38:55.440 --> 00:38:59.000
could still be surviving in some areas of like Alaska

652
00:38:59.079 --> 00:39:03.760
in Canada and even like bring up sasquatch sasquats could

653
00:39:03.760 --> 00:39:07.199
be like another one these relic megafinal species that hasn't

654
00:39:07.280 --> 00:39:11.000
been able to survive. We're just it seemed more by humans.

655
00:39:11.119 --> 00:39:13.599
Or maybe even I bring up the idea of like

656
00:39:13.679 --> 00:39:17.199
maybe Bigfoot gets a lot of attention because that's how

657
00:39:17.320 --> 00:39:20.719
human like it is, how antipo morphic it is. Like

658
00:39:21.159 --> 00:39:23.400
what would someone out to hear a story about a

659
00:39:23.679 --> 00:39:27.079
giant gorilla like creature that looks like a human in

660
00:39:27.079 --> 00:39:30.519
the woods or a giant lion. A lot of people

661
00:39:30.519 --> 00:39:33.239
would go towards the fantastical, go towards the big foot

662
00:39:33.280 --> 00:39:36.000
side of it. So maybe that's why the creatures like

663
00:39:36.280 --> 00:39:40.039
sasquatch around the world get so much more attention than

664
00:39:40.760 --> 00:39:44.960
other cryptics, because it's how human they are. Like antipomophism

665
00:39:45.119 --> 00:39:48.320
does exist. We like to put ourselves into the natural world.

666
00:39:48.880 --> 00:39:51.440
Maybe that's why a lot of creatures like Bigfoot and

667
00:39:51.639 --> 00:39:56.639
map and Grari, the Mande Barun, Thetutu, the Yeti, the year,

668
00:39:56.719 --> 00:40:01.199
and the wood woolfs, they're who the But all these

669
00:40:01.199 --> 00:40:03.760
different creatures being feet around the world that are very

670
00:40:03.840 --> 00:40:06.480
human like, maybe these are the cryptids that get a

671
00:40:06.519 --> 00:40:09.719
lot of the attention because it's how human like they are.

672
00:40:09.800 --> 00:40:11.920
We see ourselves in these creatures.

673
00:40:12.199 --> 00:40:16.679
It's extremely interesting to think about. It's one of these

674
00:40:16.880 --> 00:40:20.519
rabbit trails. I allow myself to think about the whole

675
00:40:20.920 --> 00:40:26.119
prehistoric cryptid connection, but then I always come back to Bigfoot,

676
00:40:26.159 --> 00:40:29.559
of course, but it feels like if there are people

677
00:40:30.800 --> 00:40:34.760
encountering short face bear in these areas, we're probably not

678
00:40:34.800 --> 00:40:38.239
hearing about it because they're just being It feels like

679
00:40:38.320 --> 00:40:41.519
if you encounter a short face bear, you're not probably

680
00:40:42.960 --> 00:40:45.719
you know, living, You're going to be taken.

681
00:40:45.840 --> 00:40:48.639
Yeah, yeah, I even I talk about like how many

682
00:40:48.679 --> 00:40:54.199
people see these cryptives but aren't seen afterwards, like and

683
00:40:54.320 --> 00:40:56.480
parts of like especially in the Honey Valley. It's a

684
00:40:56.559 --> 00:40:58.519
dangerous era in the first place because it's just the

685
00:40:58.599 --> 00:41:02.719
environmental is and also it's really notice the Headless Valley

686
00:41:02.760 --> 00:41:05.960
for a reason. Several people have gone up missing in

687
00:41:06.039 --> 00:41:10.639
that area, and the McLeod brothers, the ones that did

688
00:41:10.760 --> 00:41:13.679
lose their heads, we don't know why did that happen.

689
00:41:14.239 --> 00:41:16.679
And the natives in the area reference a creature comet

690
00:41:16.760 --> 00:41:22.159
in the comedy these very oh like these mountain ogres

691
00:41:22.199 --> 00:41:24.559
they reference in the area that are very human like,

692
00:41:25.239 --> 00:41:28.000
that are very human like that some people even have

693
00:41:28.079 --> 00:41:31.519
speculated it could be surviving Neanderthals, but I believe could

694
00:41:31.559 --> 00:41:35.960
be this maybe even never subset of fast Latch, but like, yeah,

695
00:41:36.000 --> 00:41:39.480
there's been fashal change in the area, so yeah, it's

696
00:41:39.480 --> 00:41:40.840
a very interesting thing to look at.

697
00:41:43.039 --> 00:41:45.519
I do want to bring up a course. If this

698
00:41:45.599 --> 00:41:49.679
is new info for people, I would really recommend that

699
00:41:49.760 --> 00:41:54.599
you check out the books by Hammerson Peters, of course,

700
00:41:54.599 --> 00:41:59.599
who has done so much legwork of categorizing all of

701
00:41:59.639 --> 00:42:03.199
these stories about this area. And not a guy that

702
00:42:03.239 --> 00:42:05.400
I've been able to talk to yet on the show,

703
00:42:05.599 --> 00:42:09.480
but maybe someday I'd love to that invites I always open,

704
00:42:09.559 --> 00:42:13.840
but just another great author, a gentleman who takes the

705
00:42:13.880 --> 00:42:18.039
time to categorize and put things in a place where

706
00:42:18.280 --> 00:42:21.360
we can read them about the legends of Canada and

707
00:42:21.400 --> 00:42:26.119
also of the Headless Valley as well. There are there

708
00:42:26.119 --> 00:42:29.320
have been no I really don't expect you don't feel

709
00:42:29.360 --> 00:42:31.119
like you need to know this, But have there been

710
00:42:31.159 --> 00:42:33.840
any recent expeditions that have been going on in that

711
00:42:33.960 --> 00:42:35.800
area that you've heard of, Ryan.

712
00:42:37.320 --> 00:42:41.400
Not that I know of. I think one expedition I

713
00:42:41.480 --> 00:42:44.760
know of happened back into I believe the fifties, and

714
00:42:45.079 --> 00:42:47.400
I know that was reference to Labahams and Peters at

715
00:42:47.400 --> 00:42:49.960
his research, because he's an author that I love reading.

716
00:42:50.000 --> 00:42:52.440
I've read all of his books. I know you ever

717
00:42:52.559 --> 00:42:55.000
just expeditions in the fifties, I believe in the sixties.

718
00:42:55.519 --> 00:42:57.679
I don't think there's been anything recently because I know

719
00:42:57.719 --> 00:43:01.719
it's a national park now, it's a protected by the

720
00:43:01.760 --> 00:43:02.719
Canadian government.

721
00:43:05.719 --> 00:43:08.480
Yeah, you look up photos of that place. It is

722
00:43:08.599 --> 00:43:11.440
just it seems like one of the wildest places on

723
00:43:11.519 --> 00:43:16.679
Earth up there, the rapids, the waterfalls definitely would be

724
00:43:16.880 --> 00:43:20.760
one of those unforgiving places that you might not get

725
00:43:20.800 --> 00:43:24.199
too many chances if you're up there. But going back

726
00:43:24.239 --> 00:43:27.639
to Beyond Bigfoot. When you were writing this book, was

727
00:43:27.639 --> 00:43:30.639
there a goal in mind that you would want readers

728
00:43:30.880 --> 00:43:34.719
to be able to attain after reading this, or something

729
00:43:34.760 --> 00:43:37.519
that you wish they would take away after reading this.

730
00:43:37.519 --> 00:43:41.360
Book, like my goal or like what I won't be

731
00:43:41.400 --> 00:43:43.880
able to take away? It's like would any books I

732
00:43:43.960 --> 00:43:48.960
write or what anything? Is that education? It's about learning

733
00:43:49.039 --> 00:43:52.400
new things and opening up your eye to different possibilities.

734
00:43:52.880 --> 00:43:55.280
Like for instance, like you reference yourself that there's a

735
00:43:55.280 --> 00:43:57.800
lot of things in here that you've probably not a

736
00:43:57.840 --> 00:43:59.920
lot of people have heard about or maybe've heard of

737
00:44:00.079 --> 00:44:02.800
out once. Maybe we've heard maybe you've heard a name

738
00:44:02.920 --> 00:44:05.480
devil monkey, but you never knew what it was. And

739
00:44:05.920 --> 00:44:08.960
maybe you've heard the name Doug Wee, but you really

740
00:44:08.960 --> 00:44:12.480
didn't know the research behind it. What I would want

741
00:44:12.480 --> 00:44:16.599
people to take away from this is learning about these creatures.

742
00:44:16.800 --> 00:44:19.559
And also one thing I always like to do is

743
00:44:19.760 --> 00:44:24.480
make your own hypothesis, make your own summaries, like to

744
00:44:24.639 --> 00:44:28.159
bring it out like maybe heck, maybe they know Ryan

745
00:44:28.199 --> 00:44:30.679
could be wrong on these hypotheses he puts out, but

746
00:44:31.199 --> 00:44:33.280
this is a good counter argument. This is a good

747
00:44:33.360 --> 00:44:37.719
counter hypothesis instead, Like I love getting challenged on my

748
00:44:37.719 --> 00:44:41.000
own hypotheses and own ideas because it really brings out

749
00:44:41.000 --> 00:44:43.679
a lot of like high level thinking in the first place.

750
00:44:43.920 --> 00:44:47.719
Like for instance, my nine to five job, I'm an educator.

751
00:44:48.079 --> 00:44:51.079
When my when it comes to cryptoserology, it's very much

752
00:44:51.119 --> 00:44:55.000
coming from a perspective of education, of learning and trying

753
00:44:55.000 --> 00:44:58.320
to teach people about these creatures and let them make

754
00:44:58.360 --> 00:45:02.719
their own judgments own summaries on it. Like the three

755
00:45:02.800 --> 00:45:06.119
main creatures that I go over is the North American eight, Dougree,

756
00:45:06.119 --> 00:45:08.920
and the devil monkey. Like I would love for people

757
00:45:08.960 --> 00:45:11.159
to learn about these creatures and maybe even go and

758
00:45:11.199 --> 00:45:15.719
do to further research, like, for instance, myself with this

759
00:45:15.880 --> 00:45:20.199
book my forwards written by the legendary Low and Coleman.

760
00:45:20.920 --> 00:45:23.039
Loan Coleman's one of the only real research I could

761
00:45:23.079 --> 00:45:26.440
think of that do North American eight research.

762
00:45:26.800 --> 00:45:29.599
Big for society will be right back after these messages.

763
00:45:45.679 --> 00:45:47.400
So I reached out to him and he said, yeah,

764
00:45:47.400 --> 00:45:49.880
I'll gladly help you. This bunked and he wrote my

765
00:45:49.960 --> 00:45:53.719
forward and it was a really a weird moment because

766
00:45:53.840 --> 00:45:57.480
it's me working with a childhood hero of mine. So

767
00:45:57.599 --> 00:46:00.599
it was a very much a surreal moment. And like,

768
00:46:00.760 --> 00:46:02.760
that's what I would love people to do, is maybe

769
00:46:02.800 --> 00:46:06.039
like after you read a book, maybe like if you

770
00:46:06.039 --> 00:46:08.320
can find an author, like reach out to the author,

771
00:46:08.559 --> 00:46:10.440
like reach out to me, like, hey, like I like

772
00:46:10.519 --> 00:46:13.119
this part, but about this in my own sighting, like

773
00:46:13.519 --> 00:46:17.239
go out there and do further research because reading a

774
00:46:17.280 --> 00:46:20.920
book is great, but if that book really had connection

775
00:46:21.079 --> 00:46:24.159
to you, you go and read even further on or

776
00:46:24.199 --> 00:46:26.559
even maybe learn a little bit more about our prehistory.

777
00:46:26.639 --> 00:46:30.039
Because I bring up like persform nor from America and

778
00:46:30.719 --> 00:46:33.559
like earlier to please adapt forms and I'm on my

779
00:46:33.880 --> 00:46:37.119
forms the preystal Privates and America, and people have not

780
00:46:37.360 --> 00:46:40.599
really heard about a lot like learning new things and

781
00:46:40.760 --> 00:46:43.519
maybe furthering your own research. That's what I would really

782
00:46:43.599 --> 00:46:46.039
like people like kind of would have to read this book.

783
00:46:48.119 --> 00:46:52.719
After you released this book, did you get people reaching

784
00:46:52.760 --> 00:46:55.960
out to saying, like, you know what, I read this

785
00:46:56.239 --> 00:47:00.480
and realized, Hey, I've actually experienced one of these things,

786
00:47:01.000 --> 00:47:02.519
and I just didn't realize.

787
00:47:02.199 --> 00:47:06.280
It I have. I have not had any experience yet,

788
00:47:06.360 --> 00:47:08.920
which is I'm like what it is. It's pretty much

789
00:47:08.960 --> 00:47:11.800
just it's a fairly new book. It's been out only

790
00:47:11.840 --> 00:47:14.199
a couple of months now. And also I begin trying

791
00:47:14.199 --> 00:47:17.400
to get it into reviews of like authors hands like

792
00:47:17.840 --> 00:47:19.920
I get a good copy. I gave Comedy Good Friends

793
00:47:19.960 --> 00:47:23.800
of Mine, Ken Gearhard Love Blackbird, give copies to Jeff

794
00:47:23.880 --> 00:47:26.320
Meldrom and things like that. But like I've talked a

795
00:47:26.400 --> 00:47:29.199
other researchers have been like, yeah, like I've had people

796
00:47:29.280 --> 00:47:33.760
reference these bigfoot like creatures, wo muzzles. I've always out

797
00:47:33.760 --> 00:47:36.199
there a dog man. Now I think they could be

798
00:47:36.239 --> 00:47:38.800
a gug grey and I'm like cool, like and they've

799
00:47:38.840 --> 00:47:41.719
literally gone back and talked to the witness and said

800
00:47:41.840 --> 00:47:43.679
like okay, like let me get a little bit more

801
00:47:43.880 --> 00:47:46.679
details on the muzzle, and they're like, yeah, this sounds

802
00:47:46.840 --> 00:47:50.320
more like this gugrey creature or I thineven I've had

803
00:47:50.400 --> 00:47:53.760
a researcher out East Texas reference They're like, yeah, like

804
00:47:54.079 --> 00:47:58.519
people out here seeing baboons, And I was like baboons,

805
00:47:58.960 --> 00:48:01.800
Like how big with these baboons They're like like the

806
00:48:01.920 --> 00:48:03.960
size of a human. Like that sounds very similar to

807
00:48:04.079 --> 00:48:08.400
a double monkey. So I bring out They're like, yeah,

808
00:48:08.559 --> 00:48:10.320
maybe a lot of these sidings that people thought were

809
00:48:10.360 --> 00:48:15.360
bigfoot or people thought were baboons, maybe old chimpanzees even

810
00:48:15.519 --> 00:48:19.039
were actually these cryptids being seen. Like for instance, I

811
00:48:19.119 --> 00:48:22.199
think when I was younger, I saw a I think

812
00:48:22.239 --> 00:48:24.360
it was a Monster Quest episode and it was about

813
00:48:24.480 --> 00:48:27.599
chimpanzees in North America, and the whole episode was over

814
00:48:28.360 --> 00:48:31.880
people releasing chimpanzees out in the woods and people then

815
00:48:32.039 --> 00:48:35.440
seeing chimpanzees in the woods, And I'm like, looking after

816
00:48:35.519 --> 00:48:37.320
this book, I mean, what if some of these chimpanzees

817
00:48:37.360 --> 00:48:41.400
sidies bought chimpanzees. Maybe they were if they were these

818
00:48:41.519 --> 00:48:45.519
North American apes or maybe even young sasquatch that people

819
00:48:45.719 --> 00:48:49.760
misidentified as a known species it's weird to think about

820
00:48:49.800 --> 00:48:53.480
We're always seeing cryptids as being missidentifications of known species.

821
00:48:54.000 --> 00:48:57.880
What are some of these known species we're actual missidentifications

822
00:48:58.079 --> 00:49:00.920
of cryptids. Like, it's a kind of it's a perspective

823
00:49:01.000 --> 00:49:03.039
that I think not a lot of people think of.

824
00:49:03.400 --> 00:49:06.639
Like it's very much a paradigm changer. A lot of

825
00:49:06.639 --> 00:49:09.199
times when you do research like this, No.

826
00:49:09.639 --> 00:49:12.320
I think so too. In this book will definitely it'll

827
00:49:12.400 --> 00:49:15.519
either give you new information or it'll challenge the way

828
00:49:15.599 --> 00:49:17.880
that you've been thinking so far. And I think that

829
00:49:18.119 --> 00:49:23.000
it is healthy to do that, to learn from things

830
00:49:23.079 --> 00:49:26.280
you read. Thank you for putting this this book Beyond

831
00:49:26.320 --> 00:49:29.960
Bigfoot together, Ryan, and it's it's been a pleasure having

832
00:49:30.000 --> 00:49:32.760
you on the show today. O Rian. What's the best

833
00:49:32.800 --> 00:49:34.280
way to pick up this book?

834
00:49:34.400 --> 00:49:36.840
I would recommend Amazon. If you look at theron at

835
00:49:36.840 --> 00:49:39.760
the words Bigfoot, this book Beyond Before We'll come up.

836
00:49:39.840 --> 00:49:42.719
My second book, Slash Watched The Prehistory of Delivering Legend

837
00:49:42.719 --> 00:49:45.480
will come up. But also my first book, Critics Over

838
00:49:45.519 --> 00:49:49.159
the World, So yeah, you can pick them up on Amazon. Also,

839
00:49:49.559 --> 00:49:53.159
these two both my last two recent books well also

840
00:49:53.239 --> 00:49:56.719
released by EWE Light's publishing company. They have a website

841
00:49:56.800 --> 00:49:59.039
that is done by a good friend of mine, David Weaderley,

842
00:49:59.639 --> 00:50:03.760
an well known cryptozoologist. If you reach out to their website,

843
00:50:03.800 --> 00:50:05.480
they also have copies on there as well.

844
00:50:06.480 --> 00:50:10.559
Fantastic after reading this listeners, if you have an account

845
00:50:10.800 --> 00:50:14.159
that is you're like wow that lines up with the

846
00:50:14.400 --> 00:50:17.440
Gugway or the Devil Monkey. Is there a way for

847
00:50:17.559 --> 00:50:20.920
people to reach out to you, Ryan, to share maybe

848
00:50:20.960 --> 00:50:23.719
their thoughts about the book, or if they've experienced things

849
00:50:23.840 --> 00:50:25.280
that you've written about in the book.

850
00:50:26.639 --> 00:50:29.239
Yes, of course. I always have my social media is

851
00:50:29.320 --> 00:50:31.519
open and ready for people to reach out to or

852
00:50:31.559 --> 00:50:35.239
I have a Facebook Ran Edwards on Facebook. I have

853
00:50:35.320 --> 00:50:39.639
an Instagram page are Edwards at Crypto twenty five. If

854
00:50:39.639 --> 00:50:42.719
you look at Brian Edwards on Instagram, I'm there. Also.

855
00:50:42.760 --> 00:50:46.800
I do have my email Ran Edwards dot crypto at

856
00:50:46.880 --> 00:50:47.719
gmail dot com.

857
00:50:48.039 --> 00:50:50.480
Rand Drew's is one word. You can reach out to

858
00:50:50.559 --> 00:50:53.440
my email, and I'm always open to people talking to me,

859
00:50:53.639 --> 00:50:56.119
like people that have maybe good reviews for the books,

860
00:50:56.199 --> 00:50:57.800
or even bad reviews for the book, so I can

861
00:50:57.840 --> 00:51:02.320
maybe fixed mistakes I've made, or eyewitnesses or just people

862
00:51:02.400 --> 00:51:05.679
that have fans of cryptozoology in general, like I love

863
00:51:05.760 --> 00:51:08.400
talking about the weird and the change, so reach.

864
00:51:08.239 --> 00:51:12.480
Out fantastic And before we head out completely, Ryan, are

865
00:51:12.519 --> 00:51:14.800
there any other things that you would want listeners to

866
00:51:14.920 --> 00:51:17.280
know before we end our time together today.

867
00:51:18.760 --> 00:51:25.119
That's just that, like always question, always do your research,

868
00:51:25.480 --> 00:51:29.079
and what I always say is to never stop exploring,

869
00:51:29.320 --> 00:51:32.760
never stop wondering what really is out there because the

870
00:51:32.880 --> 00:51:36.639
second we think we have all the answers, we don't.

871
00:51:37.159 --> 00:51:39.800
Science doesn't have all the answers need us, Cryptozoology or

872
00:51:39.840 --> 00:51:42.639
any other field like the world is a mixture of

873
00:51:42.719 --> 00:51:47.119
different things. Never stop exploring, never stop questioning, because without questions,

874
00:51:47.159 --> 00:51:48.519
you will never make discoveries.

875
00:51:49.559 --> 00:51:54.239
I love it very well said and Ryan, thank you

876
00:51:54.320 --> 00:51:55.760
again for coming on the show.

877
00:51:57.199 --> 00:51:58.639
Of course, it's a pleasure being on.

878
00:51:59.440 --> 00:52:01.119
I just want to take a few minutes to say

879
00:52:01.239 --> 00:52:04.239
thank you to you all my listeners for listening to

880
00:52:04.360 --> 00:52:08.039
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you've had a bigfoot encounter related to the following or

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know someone who has, please reach out to me at

889
00:52:36.440 --> 00:52:40.320
Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com or pass on my email.

890
00:52:41.159 --> 00:52:45.840
Here's the list. Number one encounters from Franklin County, Texas.

891
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Number two encounters from the entire state of Iowa. Number

892
00:52:49.880 --> 00:52:54.039
three encounters from Oakridge, Oregon or the surrounding area. Number four,

893
00:52:54.239 --> 00:52:57.159
any individuals that know about bigfoot being flown off after

894
00:52:57.239 --> 00:53:00.800
the Mount Saint Helens eruption. Number five. Individuals that have

895
00:53:00.840 --> 00:53:03.880
had a bigfoot encounter while in the military. Number six

896
00:53:04.719 --> 00:53:07.039
those that have had a bigfoot encounter in the southern

897
00:53:07.079 --> 00:53:12.280
New Hampshire or north central Massachusetts area, including Franklin County, Massachusetts.

898
00:53:12.760 --> 00:53:15.199
Number seven individuals that have had a bigfoot encounter in

899
00:53:15.239 --> 00:53:18.599
a Bible camp or boy Scout camp setting. Number eight

900
00:53:18.760 --> 00:53:21.039
individuals that have had bigfoot try to enter their house

901
00:53:21.119 --> 00:53:24.760
forcibly while they were living inside. Number nine individuals that

902
00:53:24.880 --> 00:53:29.559
have actively have a bigfoot living on their property. And lastly,

903
00:53:30.119 --> 00:53:33.519
any sightings that are in the Watchitaw National Forest area

904
00:53:33.679 --> 00:53:38.199
of Oklahoma or Arkansas. A special thank you to all

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