Bigfoot Stalks Hunters in Montana (Archive Episode)

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Welcome to the Bigfoot Society. In
this episode, we're releasing four classic interviews

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from the archives New Hampshire, Oregon, and Montana. If you've experienced something

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similar or have more information regarding Bigfoot
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get extra episodes weekly. All right, Bigfoot Society, We've got Jeff calling

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in and he is calling in to
talk to us about some things that he

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has experienced. How's it going,
Jeff, great, Thanks for having me.

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I'll let you go ahead, and
I might ask you some questions along

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the way, but I'll let you
go ahead and start where you'd like to.

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Jeff, I'm a forty nine year
old, pretty average guy. I

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live in central New Hampshire. I've
been with my part for twenty plus years.

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We have two children together. I'm
a carpenter builder in the area,

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a ski, snowboard, bike skateboard. I'm an avid solo hiker, strictly

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solo. I love history, anything
Civil War, worl War two, Vietnam,

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anything like that, big buff of
archaeology, crypt zoology, of course,

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anything weird, paranormal ghosts. Just
love it all. I've fallen down

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the rabbit hole pretty much of all
of it. And I grew up in

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the southwestern New Hampshire in a small
town called Marlboro, which a bit of

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a hot spot come to find out
over the years. But recently there has

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been a documentary that came out about
the area which has sparked my interest even

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more, of course, but it
started when I was For me, the

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whole Bigfoot interest started when I was
about four years old when my family went

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and saw the movie Saw Legend of
Bigfoot at the drive in Keenampshire, and

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that really started it for me.
It was taken back by it all.

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It really scared me. It was
stuck with me through the years and it

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was so vivid. It just took
a huge interest in it. And it

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wasn't about a year later after I
saw that movie and I was a five

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year old, I was out wandering
in the woods out passed our local cemetery,

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and I was five years old,
not supposed to be wandering out the

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woods by myself. Of course,
found myself way out farther than I should

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have been, but I knew those
woods and really wasn't scared. Made it

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out about a quarter mile past the
cemetery and felt so comfortable that I found

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this brook that I decided to take
my shoes and socks off and soaked my

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feet in the brook. Felt so
comfortable out there, That's how I thought

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nothing of it. It wasn't like
maybe thirty seconds later, after I got

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my feet into the water, I
was just overwhelmed with a feeling of dread

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and that I was going to die. It was just absolute fear. Huge

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now that I look back now,
it was like a huge anxiety attack.

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But whether it was me feeling that
maybe I was a little lost out in

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the woods, but I wasn't.
I knew exactly where I was. This

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is something that stuck with me through
the years. I threw my shoes and

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socks on as quick as I could. I didn't run, I walked out

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of there. I'd take two three
steps, look back, two three steps,

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look back the whole way, all
the way till I got to the

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cemetery. And that's when I hit
the cemetery, I felt I got in

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the open area, I got out
of the woods. That's when I felt

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a little bit more comfortable and the
fear started going away. But it really

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stuck with me through the years that
I felt driven out of the woods,

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saw nothing, smelt nothing, but
this overwhelming fear that hit me. I've

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never experienced it since, I really
haven't. Something that's stuck with me through

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the years, and it being in
Marlborough. Through the years, I've researched

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through the Internet and stuff and come
across that old accounts from Marlborough of the

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Marlboro Monkey and from John Horgan actually, which I just listened to your podcasts

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with him was great, which I
reached out to him a few years ago

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and he was gracious enough to share
with me all of his files and stuff

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on that is excellent. Loved it. I can't think of him enough.

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But I could not shake that from
me. It really stuck with me through

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the years and will not ever leave
me. It was something It was like

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the worst anxiety attack I've ever had. And I'm someone who suffers from anxiety

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and depression, and this is something
that we'll never forget ever. I ran

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home as soon as I got out
of the cemetery. I ran and got

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to my house and I told nobody. I told nobody what I did out

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there because I was out in the
woods. I shouldn't have been out there,

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and they wouldn't have would ever let
me back out there again. You

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know, that's such a fascinating story. Did you know anyone that has seen

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had a sighting of the Marlboro Monkey. I'm just curious about that. Well,

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we'll come to find out after the
years. My talk to my brother

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about it, and he got he
knew of a couple of people in that

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same not far from where I was, and he himself was growled at hiking

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out there with his girlfriend. Really, he said it was like the deepest

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growl. It was like an earthquake, and so that's why he shrugged it

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off because he didn't want to panic
his girlfriend at the time, and he

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just said out. She was like, what was that And he was like,

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oh, it's just like an earthquake
or something like he knew it was

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no earthquake, and he said it
was the loudest, deepest growl. You

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could imagine it was not a mile
from where I was. It was.

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Have you ever gone back to that
same spot again as an adult? I

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was just out there last year.
I took my family up to the cemetery

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because I grew up next to the
cemetery. I drive by the house and

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down again to the house I grew
up and grow up to the cemetery,

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and I happened to just walk out
to I stop and I walked out to

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the widgs a little ways, and
I wanted to keep going, but I

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didn't have the time. But sure
I wanted to go out there and go

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to that brook again, because that
brook goes to We've gone out there before.

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That brook goes up to an old
springhouse, this collapsed spring house.

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It's all dilapidated and it's all into
the brook itself. That was probably where

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I was going at the time,
but I hadn't quite made it. I

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made it to the brook, and
I was like, oh, I'll just

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soak my feet, And that was
like the feeling of dread. That's what

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stuck with me. Dread. I'm
going to die like right then in there.

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And that's when I like threw my
shoes of socks on, and I

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like, I didn't. I just
had the sense enough as a kid.

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I don't know how, but I
like, don't run. I knew it

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was bear country. This is my
Hampshires, bear country. You can't go

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nowhere, you can't go nowhere without
seeing a bear. So I was like,

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I knew not to run. For
some reason, I was like smart

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enough. I didn't run. I
would, but I would take two three

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steps and look behind me two steps, absolutely jelling me. Well, until

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after I started researching in like two
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that I like made the connection.
I could have been yapped, like something

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could have scared me out of there
without me knowing it. Well, have

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you ever reached out to the you're
talking about the Marlborough Monkey documentary? Correct?

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Correct? Did you have you ever
reached out to Carrick Saint Laurent as

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well? I actually met him,
okay, cool a couple of years ago,

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and I just didn't Actually he didn't
ask me, so I didn't.

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There was a quick meeting, but
I think he was probably in the midst

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of making it right then. I
think he said yeah, would have been

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about that time. I think,
but oh, man, that's so interesting.

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Yeah, John is John Horrigan was
such a cool guy to talk to.

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He's the nicest guy. I could
have talked to him for another few

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hours about his UFO investigations. He
did. We barely got into that.

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That guy has been to every major
UFO hotspot. We have everything in common

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as far as that stuff is concerned. Yeah, even hockey. Yeah,

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yeah, I love it all.
The account he speaks of his report of

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his account of the Marlborough Monkey is
in the Marlborough Quarry. And I've been

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there several times just because I heard
that report, and I've been there just

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for fun to go in there before
I even knew that soon neat place.

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Did you notice anything out of the
ordinary when you were in there? No,

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it's just old. It's an old
stone quarry. Yeah. Growing up

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in Northfield, I wasn't into bigfoot
and stuff as a kid or a teenager

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enough to go looking and things like
that. And so I find out now

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that it's actually it was close to
a relatively big hot spot with the Marlborough

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Monkey. That just blew me away
way when I first found it out from

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Carrick. But it's very cool for
you guys. It's pretty neat. There's

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once you get dig in. There
is some reports in the area in Marlborough,

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but they're like class B. I
believe stuff like that. If you

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ever hear of any bigfoot stuff from
like the Northfield Mass Winchester, New Hampshire

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area, you know that area,
I'd be really interested if it ever comes

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across your plate, just to hit
me up. Not that area, Yeah,

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I've never seen many. I've seen
a footprint in Columbia, New Hampshire

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and oh cool Brook Yep. I
know about Walls Wild, dude. I've

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been up there a lot as a
younger kid. It's quite the area.

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That was probably two thousand and fourists
I was out, I mean a friend

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were fishing in a pond. He
let me off to go so I could

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go answer the call in nature.
He dissed me off on the it's a

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snowmobile trail that comes off of the
lake right there the pond, and so

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I walked up the trail of little
ways and then where the tracks, the

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snow snowheel tracks were dug into the
mud, there was a clear, definite

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footprint mashed straight into the ski track. Yeah, there's there's in this.

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I put all my fingers in the
footprint, and so it was smashed into

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the mud. So where if this
was a bare footprint, the claws most

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certainly would have shown. There was
just no way. I couldn't have.

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It was like six inches down in
the rut of the ski track. Wow,

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and I put I'd put all my
fingers in the foot track and it

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was a good six eight plus wide. Crazy, it's huge. And my

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buddy would not get out of the
canoe to come look at it. You

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got to come look at this.
No no standing right here. That's funny,

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man. There's no way there's somebody
out here walking barefoot. It was

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a rainy, cold weekend. There's
a snow light. That's crazy, and

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it was. There was no way
it was a bear track. There was

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just no way. All winter I've
been seeing really crazy orbs and that's the

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latest thing that I've been going through. Okay, I cannot explain pretty wild

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in Marlborough area or Keene or no
in central Newmpshire where I live, Oh,

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wow, Moultinborough crazy down to make
that some of them, most of

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them have been what I call like
high flyers. They looked to be they

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looked almost like a satellite, but
they're not. They hired guests like maybe

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in the five to ten thousand foot
range. Interesting. The rainbow orbs is

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what I call them. Really,
They just flashing every call in the rainbow,

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and I've seen probably fifteen to twenty
of them, like all winter,

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and I just don't know what to
make of it. I just taking my

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dog for a walkout in the morning
that night, and I see you.

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I've heard of a lot of really
right now, there's all sorts of weird

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stuff going on up in the skies, but I have heard of One of

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my friends got a report from the
Swansea area that there was a sighting of

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something flying over. This was last
week or week before when all that stuff

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was going on. Was it the
Starlink? Because I had happened to see

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that go over. I got the
videover and everything. Jeff supposedly per the

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witness, and this is on TikTok, so it's out in public. My

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friend Bethany took the report. But
supposedly someone was driving through Swansea and they

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saw a large object fly over and
two jets fly after it, and then

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they shot it down and they saw
it fall behind a mountain in a ball

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of fire, and a bunch of
other cars saw it too, because they

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almost went off the road. Now
keep in mind this is like just a

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witness report on TikTok, so that
might not be very reputable, but it's

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very interesting. It's interesting to happen
a lot. I know that's been happening

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a lot. Yeah, if you
hear anything like that, let me know.

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Definitely anything that can you know back
that up. But the thing is

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that we didn't. She hasn't gotten
any more info. I believe that verifies

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that from any other sources. But
it's an interesting story that randomly happened in

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Swansea, New Hampshire. Right,
That's pretty cool. Yeah. I love

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hearing the extra accounts like that because
I just moved. I moved. I

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live in what I call the O
should be Triangle. Oh yeah, there's

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been all sorts of random odd stuff
here Bigfoot, from Bigfoot to UFOs,

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the orbs that I see, you
name it, it's all seen here.

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I just moved right to the base
of the mountains right here, just over

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the winter, so I'm like at
the base of the Aspy Mountains right now.

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Oh wow, So hopefully things I've
already since I moved, I've seen

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one one of the orbs. But
before I moved, that's when I saw

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the majority of them over by a
lake. I lived there, but when

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I travel I used to commute up
the road up along the Hawstreet mountains here

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in the route twenty five, and
that's where I've seen several red orbs right

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on the roadside. Wow, cars
driving by everything, nobody cared, not

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a care in the world. It
seems, am I only one. So

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just recently I took my daughter.
I took my daughter shopping. He's on

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the way back. I was like, gonna tell her. I was like,

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I can remember, I've told you
I saw some weird lights in this

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area. Before I could say that, I look up and there's three orbs,

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I'm not kidding, sitting on top
of the telephone pole, cross member

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of the telephone pole. Yeah,
right next to each insulator of the wire

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on the wire. Red orbs sitting
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first, because it was just before
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days before Christmas. And then I
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at him, like and I see
him mood, and like those are not

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Christmas lights. And like, like
might I had my daughter with me,

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I'm like, I'm not stopping here. Stop. I don't want her to

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see thee Yeah, it was high
strangeness. It was high strangeness, without

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a doubt. And it was like
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nobody's stopping or nothing like. So
that that area in particular, I've seen

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those three. They were sitting on
the telephone pole. And then I saw

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one directly across the street that was
just scattering around up in the treetops,

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like the trees weren't there one morning, bright red orange softball side or it

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was like the trees weren't even there
for it, Like it was just it

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was incredible. That was like a
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You know what to make of it? I still don't all of them.

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I don't know what to make of
all of them. I've seen so many

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now that I feel like I'm getting
picked on. Yeah, they know who

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to come after. You're my guy
for high strangers in southern New Hampshire,

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no doubt. Man, you're really
seeing some crazy stuff out there, Jeff.

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I don't know if it's because I've
opened myself up. I've fallen down

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the rabbit holes. I've really took
an interest in so many things. I

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don't know if I've heard of that
many times on many podcasts. People that

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take interest seem to experience more.
Sure, it's true. I think that

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they start looking for certain things,
and you got to be careful what you

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start looking at because we'll leave it
there. But Jeff, it's been a

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fun, fun chat with you.
Eye appreciate you calling up and letting me

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know about your experiences. And if
you happen to have anything else weird happen,

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please get in touch and we might
do a follow up in the future,

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at least keep in touch through Facebook. So absolutely, thank you,

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Jeff. I appreciate your time.
Thank you. All right, big for

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society. We've got the privilege of
talking to a new friend today. This

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is George from Oregon. He's got
a few interesting encounters to share with us

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about Bigfoot back in the nineteen eighties, I believe. But George, how's

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it going today? Oh, it's
gone pretty good, real fine. I

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was born in Climba Falls, or
again and our family we are a fourth

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generation McNair family and ore Again and
all of this spend lot time hunting and

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fishing and doing that sort of stuff. I went to Medford High School,

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graduated in nineteen sixty five. And
what else here? Okay, And I'm

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a landscape architect that lives in Coos
Bay, Oregon. So let's start out

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back. I'm just going to estimate
the date back in about nineteen eighty my

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friend Bill and I, but he
and I were wood cutting. We lived

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in Medford, Oregon at the time, and I had a big wood truck

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and we drove north of Metford up
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Oregon. And like I said,
the town was small, and we were

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cutting wood, I'd say five miles
from Prospect, Oregon. And we were

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in a flat area or real tall
Douglas trees were growing all over the place.

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And these trees get a hundred feet
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there's there was huckleberry bushes scattered about. It was flat, it was flat

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round, and we decided to discamp
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big tart and laid our sleeping bags
out, and because we were so tired

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after cutting wood all day, we
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moon was out that night, and
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You could see the bushes and stuff, and anyway about this is a

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mystery. I still am not figuring
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I'm sound asleep, and whatever happened, I don't know. But I I

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snapped awake, and I looked propped
up in my sleeping bag and looked ahead

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about fifty feet and so I'm looking
trying to clear my eyes, and there

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was a big in front fifty feet
away. There was a big fallen tree

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that was about four feet and behind
this tree was a fuzzy animal. All

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I could see it was behind the
tree with his arms on the tree,

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so all I could see was from
the waist up. And so I'm looking

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directly into his eyes. I'm not
afraid, probably foolishly, and I'm looking.

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I'm thinking, gee, that's a
bear, what I thought. And

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then I was thinking, gee,
bears had big, fuzzy round ears.

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This thing had no visible ears.
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before in the wild. One came
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going to chase out for me and
get my fish. So I knew what

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bears looked like, and this thing
did not have a flat head like a

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bear. It had cone shaped head. Now it looked to me it was

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it looked at the time. I
didn't think bigfoot. I just I just

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looked at it, and I would
guess it was about maybe three hundred,

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three hundred and fifty pounds, So
in the bigfoot world, that's a small

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one. So we just kept staring
and anyway, I thought, awake my

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partner Bill, so I looked over, pushed on him. He wouldn't wake

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up. I looked back, and
of course the bigfoot was gone. Now

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I didn't hear brush crackling, so
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So this some to remember when you
see a bigfoot, the minute you take

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your eyes off, they're going to
disappear. So you mentioned this isn't an

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area with a lot of huckleberry plants, correct, Yeah? Uh? Did

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you notice anything around the area where
it looked like there were large, flattened

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areas that something big could have laid
down in at all. It could have

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easily laid behind the huckleberry bushes.
I'm pretty sure they were huckleberry. They

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were about five feet tall and five
feet wide and thick. It laid behind

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and mean in terms of how it
escaped. Just curious. There's some places

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out there that are when you see
certain plants, sometimes people have found like

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nest sites, and I was just
curious if you remembered anything like that in

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that certain area. Good question.
I didn't search the area. Okay,

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yeah, we could have camped right
to the right now a net site.

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I think back on it, it
took me about two weeks to realize what

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that was because about that time the
Patterson Gimblin film was showing a lot,

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and so I suddenly realized it.
Anyway, I look back on it and

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have a theory. I'll just make
it quick. I think bigfoots are closer

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to humans, and they're very intelligent
in terms of woods savvy and protecting stuff.

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I think they're smart enough to know, now, this bigfoot was really

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not friendly and wanted to take me
out for dinner. I think they know

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that if two people are involved,
second person will be a witness, and

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the bigfoots are smart enough to know
that you don't leave a witness because they're

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gonna because the woods are going to
have search parties of state police helicopters.

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So anyway, that's a theory I
have, and that's the reason why I'm

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here now, because I have a
partner. Because there are four to one

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one cases where people just disappear and
we don't know why. Okay, let's

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go to the quite a few years
past and anyway, there was a second,

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I would say, a second mystery
encounter. As the years passed,

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I started reading long got real interested. And by the way, Tom Pellell's

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book about bigfoots, he's the author. I read that one and it's really

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good. And in that book he
talked a little about bigfoots that can apparently

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they call it cloaking. Anyway,
I don't want to get too far in

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the paranormal stuff and have all the
audience. This is just joking, laughing.

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But the second time, we had
moved to Coos Bay, Oregon,

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which is on the Oregon coast and
south Couse Bay. We had what was

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called the Elk River, and then
you drive up the Elk River about thirty

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miles and there's a campground. So
this is when I started basically researching bigfoot

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see if I could scare myself out
to death, which is what happened.

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So I drove up the Elk River
to this deserted camp route and then I

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was searching around. After a while, it became dark, this pitch dark,

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and so I'm on the road looking
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country has what our very tall trees, they're called Douglas fir and this catground

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was flat and there were again there
were bushes. So I'm looking in there

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and I hear this odd bird call. I never heard a bird call like

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this, especially at nine, and
it sounded fake to me because I've been

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like I said, I'm twenty five
years old and I've been in the woods

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many times. So here this bird
call comes and it sounds like it's about

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one hundred feet For me, I
can tell it was about one hundred feet,

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and I can't describe what it sounded
like. It sounded like a cross

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between maybe a crow and a woodpecker
or something. And then I just stood

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there, and about three minutes later, I hear the same bird call,

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except that it's coming from the bush
right in front of me, and I

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couldn't believe it because that was a
matter second. Set moved from one hundred

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feet away and came in front of
this bush, and I'm standing right there

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looking in the bush. It's real
thick, and I know, boy,

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what happened here? Maybe there was
another one in the bush. I don't

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know, maybe it threw its voice. I've heard of them being paranormal.

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So anyway, it's pitch black again. I'm by myself, didn't bring any

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guns. And at the time,
anyway, at the time, I was

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a school teacher and I had to
get back. I just left it at

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that. I wasn't going to look
in the bush, but something. It

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was just something weird, and it
was perfect bigfoot country. And if you

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look on if you look on bfro
go to it was in Curry County,

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you can see the bigfoot report that
people right up. Okay, so that's

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the second one, and that wasn't
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that happened is this was near Cokeeel, Oregon, which is close to cous

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Bay, Oregon, about thirty miles
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incidents as were in two thousand and
five to two thousand and ten. Anyway,

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I'd gotten a little more savvy and
so and it looked like an area

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where bigfoots were. You have to
recognize areas and so what I did is

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took some metal wire and hooked some
hooked about seven apples and hung them from

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some trees that were about eight feet
up. My theory is this lets them

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know that you're friendly, and most
of them and so maybe they don't want

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to jump on me at night and
take out a friendly human who knows so

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Anyway, so I went back about
a week later. Okay, so now

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I'm near Coquil, which is about
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says the Coquill River running through it. It's a great place to driftboat,

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catch steelhead and salmon. Okay,
So anyway, these apples had been hung

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and they were there about a week. So I went back to Czech and

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then, if I recall, most
of the apples were there. I hung

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around so long it got pitched black
again. And my wife was with me

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this time, and they were standing
there, and I hear these fate whistles,

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like you'd hear a whistle and then
maybe thirty seconds and minutely go by,

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and then you'd hear another one.
And I knew that big pots do

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this because I'd read about them.
There are good books out there. One

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of them anyway, I had known
previously, and I thought, gee,

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sure enough, this is happening.
I couldn't believe it. I was looking

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up into the pitch black forest and
something was whistling, and when I said,

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Chris, my wife, did you
hear that? Yeah, I hear

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that. I said, what do
you think it is? And she said,

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oh, it's just kids up there. Oh no, because we were

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in a dense floor and there was
only one house that was several miles from

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where we were, so she thought
there were kids playing out in the pitch

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back black forest at night. I
don't think she really once wanted to know

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what that was. So I said, okay, maybe we're better just go

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because who knows, maybe one of
them is hungry. So I evacuated her

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out of the area with me,
and on the way back to the car,

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I looked up to where they were
and I saw some object pop up

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out one of the bushes and then
it ducked back down. I thought,

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wow, okay, but we kept. We just got in the car and

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we left. You said an object
pop up when you looked back up the

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hill? Correct? Yeah, did
you see any details for that object?

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Anything else that you can use to
describe it at all. It looked strange

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to me. It looks I could
make out maybe a head, shoulders,

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but they were illuminated and there was
no illuminated light around. So that part

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has questioned I have questions about.
But I did see it, and it

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wasn't clear. It was a flash, sure, but so I wish it

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would have been more clear and better. But anyway, that's what happened at

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that incident. Now I've been wanting
to get back to that area, and

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so I'm looking for somebody to go
with me. If anybody knows of anyone

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close to Cokekillcou's Day, I would
like a couple of partners to go up

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there and hang some apples and see
what we're find because and another thing that

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same area that I'm talking about,
I've been looking at bigfoot report and this

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one guy left his name and he
was camping up in that area. Helped

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me open and he told me he
called me last week and said while he

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was camping, he heard an enormous
roar, like a bigfoot roar, and

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scared he and his wife have to
death. And another report came out of

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this area, same area, a
man and wife were driving through this area

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up a mountain and they let's see, some rocks started to be thrown at

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them across the road and his wife
got out, looked up and heard branches

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cracking, and she said, she
so bigfoot. So this area I know

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has a plan of bigfoots, but
of course what we don't want our hunters

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in there trying to take a trophy. So anyway, if somebody gets in

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touch with me, shall I give
them my email address? George? As

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we talked about before, this is
totally up to you if you want,

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because there's people that listen to this
all over the place, especially in the

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Pacific Northwest. So if you want
people to get in touch with you,

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maybe you guys, could you could
give them some info about where to look,

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et cetera. You can definitely provide
a contact right now. So then

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j McNair eight hundred at gmail dot
com. So if you want to go

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researching, I'll take what you've got
to be trustworthy, because I don't want

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00:35:51.760 --> 00:35:57.840
this area to be exposed to I'm
pretty sure there's a plan of big boots.

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Anybody interested in big foot can join
a form. I've been on the

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00:36:04.960 --> 00:36:12.920
forum for years and years. Absolutely
it's just called the Bigfoot Forum. So

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00:36:13.280 --> 00:36:17.280
thank you so much for listening.
Thank you George for allowing me to ask

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you some questions and for sharing your
encounter stories. And hopefully there's people listening

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that area sounds familiar to you.
Please get in touch with George so that

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00:36:27.800 --> 00:36:31.719
maybe you guys can work together and
find out some more information about sasquatch in

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the area. And thank you George. Okay, and thank you for having

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me on. I'll see you on
the Bigfoot form. Hi. All right,

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big for Society. Today, I've
got the privilege of talking to Leslie,

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who's an outdoors woman and bow hunter. Thanks for coming on the podcast

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today, Leslie. How's it going. It's going well. Thanks for having

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00:36:52.199 --> 00:36:58.840
me now, Leslie, You've had
a ton of really interesting experiences and I'd

422
00:36:58.920 --> 00:37:01.599
love to get into those right away, so let's get right into it.

423
00:37:02.440 --> 00:37:07.639
Okay, great, Thank you again. I'll share a little bit about myself

424
00:37:07.760 --> 00:37:10.760
and how I was raised, which
will help the listeners understand how I got

425
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to most recent encounters out in Montana. I was born and raised in the

426
00:37:15.880 --> 00:37:21.639
Midwest, in a suburb of a
city outside of Saint Paul, Minnesota.

427
00:37:22.199 --> 00:37:25.800
And there's a trend in that area
to go north for the weekends. People

428
00:37:25.920 --> 00:37:29.559
do their work week and then they
hop in their vehicles and they head north

429
00:37:29.599 --> 00:37:34.039
to lake country where there's woods and
water. And I grew up in this

430
00:37:34.119 --> 00:37:38.159
way, and I hunted and fished
with my dad growing up, and I've

431
00:37:38.159 --> 00:37:42.000
always had a love for the woods, and so that puts me out into

432
00:37:42.039 --> 00:37:47.840
the wild still today, where I
go fishing and hunting and just pick foraging

433
00:37:47.880 --> 00:37:52.559
for wild berries and mushrooms and things. I just really enjoy the outdoors.

434
00:37:52.679 --> 00:37:58.719
My first potential encounter occurred in two
thousand. I was up in the Boundary

435
00:37:58.719 --> 00:38:02.559
Water Canoe area, which is in
the northern part of the state of Minnesota,

436
00:38:02.679 --> 00:38:08.159
and it's the boundary of Minnesota and
Canada, and I was on a

437
00:38:08.199 --> 00:38:14.239
grouse hunting and fishing trip with my
dad and several of I often found myself

438
00:38:14.280 --> 00:38:16.920
surrounded by these guys growing up because
they loved to hunt and fish too,

439
00:38:17.039 --> 00:38:21.719
and that's who I spent my time
with mostly. We were up there and

440
00:38:21.800 --> 00:38:24.480
it was midday and I wanted to
go grouse hunting, and all the guys

441
00:38:24.519 --> 00:38:28.760
wanted to hang back at camp,
and so I decided that I was going

442
00:38:28.840 --> 00:38:32.840
to just walk on foot and go
to a trail, and where we were

443
00:38:34.079 --> 00:38:37.599
was if you look at Lake Superior
and the west side of Lake Superior in

444
00:38:37.639 --> 00:38:42.599
Minnesota, and you go up Lake
Supia and you find a town named Hoveland,

445
00:38:43.039 --> 00:38:47.159
Minnesota. We were northwest of there, about twenty miles and I left

446
00:38:47.199 --> 00:38:52.239
camp on foot with my twelve gage
shotgun, and I was going to go

447
00:38:52.280 --> 00:38:54.920
look for grouse. And there was
a hiking trail not far from where we

448
00:38:54.960 --> 00:38:59.719
camped that headed kind of northeast and
away from camp, and so I thought,

449
00:38:59.719 --> 00:39:04.559
I'll just go walk that trail.
And when you're hunting for grouse,

450
00:39:05.239 --> 00:39:08.320
if you don't have a dog to
help flushbirds, you just walk quietly and

451
00:39:08.360 --> 00:39:14.960
listen. And so at that time
I had no knowledge of bigfoot activity.

452
00:39:15.639 --> 00:39:20.840
I hadn't really done any looking into
bigfoot behaviors or anything of that nature.

453
00:39:20.840 --> 00:39:24.760
It just wasn't anything I ever thought
about. So I have my shotgun and

454
00:39:24.840 --> 00:39:30.079
I'm walking down this path, and
the terrain in this area is if you've

455
00:39:30.079 --> 00:39:35.880
watched the show Port Protection, and
that port Protection gets a lot of rain,

456
00:39:36.480 --> 00:39:38.400
and the ground is mossy and wet. It seems like it's always wet

457
00:39:38.400 --> 00:39:43.239
in Port Protection. That's a lot
like how it is up in the boundary

458
00:39:43.239 --> 00:39:45.920
waters. There's a lot of rain. There's a lot of marshland. It's

459
00:39:45.960 --> 00:39:51.239
not mossy like. It isn't port
protection, but it's just wet, muddy

460
00:39:51.320 --> 00:39:53.239
terrain. You don't really want to
go off trail. And so there was

461
00:39:53.280 --> 00:39:58.639
a hiking trail that was at least
five miles long, if not longer,

462
00:39:58.679 --> 00:40:00.519
and I thought, I'll just hike
down this tree trail real quiet and look

463
00:40:00.559 --> 00:40:05.199
and listen for grouse. And so
without a dog, you just walk real

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00:40:05.280 --> 00:40:09.360
slow, trying not to make any
noise, and you might take twenty or

465
00:40:09.440 --> 00:40:14.280
thirty steps and then you stop and
you listen, and grouse are going to

466
00:40:14.320 --> 00:40:19.360
make a real quiet noise that sounds
like water droplets, and so you stop

467
00:40:19.400 --> 00:40:22.079
and listen, and you listen for
the grouse to make noise, and you

468
00:40:22.119 --> 00:40:24.079
watch for them down on the ground, or you might look up in trees.

469
00:40:24.119 --> 00:40:28.400
They might be perched there. But
that's what I was doing, as

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00:40:28.440 --> 00:40:32.039
I was just taking a hike by
myself, very slow and watching for grouse.

471
00:40:32.079 --> 00:40:38.960
And I was about probably a half
mile down this trail and moderately dense

472
00:40:39.039 --> 00:40:45.320
forest around me, and the trail
was mostly hard packed mud, so I

473
00:40:45.360 --> 00:40:49.079
wasn't making any noise when I was
stepping and walking and stepping over rocks.

474
00:40:49.199 --> 00:40:53.079
It's a very rocky terrain up there, and I would stop and listen.

475
00:40:53.119 --> 00:40:57.960
So at one point I stopped taking
a step and listened, and I heard

476
00:40:57.960 --> 00:41:00.239
a step off to the side of
me, and I forget since it was

477
00:41:00.239 --> 00:41:02.199
two thousand and after I was left
or right side of me. But I

478
00:41:02.239 --> 00:41:08.000
heard a step of footfall after I
stopped walking, and I thought immediately,

479
00:41:08.000 --> 00:41:12.800
it's probably a grouse, and so
I just turned all my attention in that

480
00:41:12.880 --> 00:41:15.039
direction and just listened, and I
heard nothing. And I stood there waiting

481
00:41:15.079 --> 00:41:20.360
for this grouse to move, and
nothing moved, and so I just continued

482
00:41:20.400 --> 00:41:22.480
taking a few steps, and I
thought, I wonder if that grouse is

483
00:41:22.519 --> 00:41:27.920
going to move again, And so
then I stopped walking again, and I

484
00:41:27.960 --> 00:41:31.599
heard another footfall after I had stopped
walking, and so again I'm staring in

485
00:41:31.599 --> 00:41:36.840
this area and I cannot see what
it is that's moving, and I think

486
00:41:37.199 --> 00:41:39.000
it's a grouse. I can't see
it. They're pretty well camouflaged, and

487
00:41:39.960 --> 00:41:43.159
I figured it was just off far
enough or I couldn't see it. So

488
00:41:43.880 --> 00:41:47.519
I continued to walk and stop.
But then I heard a stick break on

489
00:41:47.519 --> 00:41:52.719
one time when I stopped walking,
and the next step and footfall, a

490
00:41:52.760 --> 00:41:57.400
stick broke, and so then I
realized I was being flanked by something.

491
00:41:58.000 --> 00:42:02.239
And having grown up in the hunting
and fishing, I've hunted white tailed deer,

492
00:42:02.519 --> 00:42:07.159
and I've had bear around me,
and wolves and coyotes and foxes,

493
00:42:07.239 --> 00:42:12.159
and I hadn't been elk hunting yet
at that point in time my life.

494
00:42:12.199 --> 00:42:17.639
But I've heard animals walking through the
woods. And this was not an animal

495
00:42:19.000 --> 00:42:22.280
with four legs walking on the ground. It sounded like a footfall was the

496
00:42:22.280 --> 00:42:25.280
one foot setting down. I didn't
know what it was, and I thought

497
00:42:25.360 --> 00:42:29.000
maybe it could have been a mountain
lion. But then I wondered if I

498
00:42:29.039 --> 00:42:31.159
would have hear the mountain lion or
not. Rather than continue on down the

499
00:42:31.199 --> 00:42:35.719
path, I just took my gun
off safety and I held it at the

500
00:42:35.760 --> 00:42:38.719
ready. My arms are folded and
my twelve gage was up clutching it against

501
00:42:38.800 --> 00:42:42.559
my body, so I wouldn't have
to bring it up if I had to

502
00:42:42.559 --> 00:42:45.280
shoot in some direction. And I
turned and I hustled out of there,

503
00:42:45.559 --> 00:42:50.079
and I did stop once or twice
on my way back down that trail back

504
00:42:50.079 --> 00:42:53.440
towards camp, and this creature was
still pacing me and I couldn't see it.

505
00:42:53.480 --> 00:42:59.679
I never saw it. So that
was that incident and I never saw

506
00:42:59.719 --> 00:43:02.440
there. But I went back to
camp and I shared with my dad what

507
00:43:02.559 --> 00:43:07.480
had happened, and he said it
was probably just a big cat following you,

508
00:43:07.039 --> 00:43:09.679
which I've never seen up there.
Doesn't mean they don't exist. I'm

509
00:43:09.679 --> 00:43:14.920
sure they do mountain lions, but
I've never seen one in the wild.

510
00:43:15.039 --> 00:43:19.599
So that was the first incident,
and I didn't think much of it after

511
00:43:19.639 --> 00:43:22.679
that. I put it in the
back of my mind and probably hoped I

512
00:43:22.719 --> 00:43:27.239
was never paced again out in the
wild. But fast forward to last fall

513
00:43:27.880 --> 00:43:31.199
September twenty twenty two. I have
a cousin. His name is Mike,

514
00:43:31.880 --> 00:43:38.920
and Mike lives in Montana, and
he moved from Minnesota out to Montana maybe

515
00:43:38.960 --> 00:43:43.679
forty years ago. And he's an
avid outdoorsman, probably one of the best

516
00:43:44.320 --> 00:43:47.800
big game hunters I'll ever know in
my entire life. Just a real smart

517
00:43:47.920 --> 00:43:52.639
hunter and really a good man,
good family man, has a great family.

518
00:43:52.079 --> 00:43:55.440
Having my cousin live out there,
I've never gone big game hunting or

519
00:43:55.519 --> 00:44:00.760
hunting for elk with him, and
I reached out and a couple of years

520
00:44:00.800 --> 00:44:06.639
ago started traveling out to Montana to
bow hunt elk with him. Last year

521
00:44:06.760 --> 00:44:09.719
was my third year traveling out to
bowhunt elk with him, and we were

522
00:44:09.760 --> 00:44:15.880
in a new location hunting. We
were in the Tobacco root mountains and there

523
00:44:15.880 --> 00:44:20.280
were three encounters there which I'll talk
about. So I'm going to set this

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00:44:20.360 --> 00:44:24.800
up soely understand who was experiencing these
encounters. Had my cousin Mike, who's

525
00:44:25.079 --> 00:44:30.039
been an avid hunter's whole life.
He's hunted every large game animal you could

526
00:44:30.079 --> 00:44:37.119
hunt, probably in the US or
Canada. He's hunted a lot his whole

527
00:44:37.119 --> 00:44:43.079
life, so he's just a pro. So Mike was out there a relative

528
00:44:43.199 --> 00:44:46.920
of his on his wife's side of
the family. He was hunting with us,

529
00:44:46.920 --> 00:44:50.639
and my son was along as well, So there was four of us

530
00:44:51.519 --> 00:44:58.039
and we had been hunting for several
days and the relative of Mike's wife he

531
00:44:58.199 --> 00:45:04.440
had arched an elk and that elk
was in the cooler or in the freezer

532
00:45:04.440 --> 00:45:07.480
and cooler for a couple of days
and then or about a day and he

533
00:45:07.559 --> 00:45:12.199
was going to go out and do
some scouting look for fresh elk tracks because

534
00:45:12.199 --> 00:45:16.119
we hadn't been seeing elk that week. They weren't calling, they weren't moving,

535
00:45:16.159 --> 00:45:20.880
it was pretty quiet. So he
had already got his elk. So

536
00:45:20.920 --> 00:45:23.960
he took off by himself one morning
to go scout and look for fresh elk

537
00:45:24.000 --> 00:45:29.440
tracks in places we hadn't been yet
in that area in the Tobacco Room mountain.

538
00:45:29.519 --> 00:45:34.400
So he came back to camp after
that scouting morning and said that he

539
00:45:34.440 --> 00:45:40.559
found a spot where one logging road
ended, and he parked his vehicle or

540
00:45:40.639 --> 00:45:46.000
his truck, and he walked up
this draw and found two wallows. And

541
00:45:46.159 --> 00:45:52.280
wallows for the listeners who aren't familiar
with that term, that is a mudhole

542
00:45:52.440 --> 00:45:58.639
essentially that's created by elk using their
antlers, and the elk to roll around

543
00:45:58.639 --> 00:46:04.000
in these mud holes to get mud
on their hide, on their fur,

544
00:46:04.920 --> 00:46:07.559
and they liked to do it once
or twice a day typically, and so

545
00:46:08.280 --> 00:46:13.360
there's all sorts of fresh elk sign
around. So we found two wallows,

546
00:46:14.119 --> 00:46:19.639
and I'll describe the terrain we were
in for this hunt. So he came

547
00:46:19.639 --> 00:46:25.159
back from scouting and he marked the
two wallows on his on ex app GPS

548
00:46:25.199 --> 00:46:30.639
style app that we use for hunting, and he shared the coordinates with me,

549
00:46:30.960 --> 00:46:35.559
and the decision was made after he
had scouted this and found the tracks

550
00:46:35.559 --> 00:46:38.000
and found the wallows. So that
was the best sign that we had seen

551
00:46:38.039 --> 00:46:42.280
all week for Elk, and so
that was probably the best chance if we

552
00:46:42.280 --> 00:46:45.639
were by those wallows to get a
chance to arch in Elk. I my

553
00:46:45.800 --> 00:46:50.719
son headed up to this area that
evening to go sit, and the plan

554
00:46:50.960 --> 00:46:55.519
was to hike up to the wallows
and to pick the wallow that looked most

555
00:46:55.559 --> 00:47:00.079
active and have my son set off
to if you were looking uphill, have

556
00:47:00.159 --> 00:47:04.639
him set off to the left side
of the wallow, and I would set

557
00:47:04.679 --> 00:47:07.199
off to the right side of the
wallow at the same elevation. And with

558
00:47:07.280 --> 00:47:12.199
the thermals and the mountains, we
expected the breeze to come down the mountain

559
00:47:12.440 --> 00:47:15.599
and carry our scent downhill towards where
we parked, and so we expected all

560
00:47:15.639 --> 00:47:19.639
activity at the wallows. If anything
was going to happen with Elk, we

561
00:47:19.679 --> 00:47:24.519
expected it to come from up high
to come down to the wallows that afternoon.

562
00:47:24.639 --> 00:47:32.119
So we parked the truck and we
hiked up this drainage area and it's

563
00:47:32.400 --> 00:47:37.960
a little bit marshy and mucky,
and it was hardwoods and boulders, and

564
00:47:38.000 --> 00:47:43.079
you're climbing up this area. And
we went uphill up this draw. It

565
00:47:43.119 --> 00:47:46.039
took us about an hour and fifteen
minutes to get up to where these wallows

566
00:47:46.079 --> 00:47:52.800
were, and we got settled down. My son was on one side of

567
00:47:52.800 --> 00:47:54.199
the wallow. I was on the
other. We're about thirty yards away from

568
00:47:54.559 --> 00:47:58.920
where the wallow was, but we
could see it, and we're just waiting,

569
00:47:58.920 --> 00:48:01.199
and we had agreed, my son
and I had agreed we would sit

570
00:48:01.280 --> 00:48:06.519
until seven pm and then we would
meet back at the wallow and then head

571
00:48:06.559 --> 00:48:09.239
back down the draw to where the
truck was parked on this dead end logging

572
00:48:09.320 --> 00:48:15.079
road. And so while we were
sitting there, my son hasn't really looked

573
00:48:15.119 --> 00:48:20.800
into sasquat or even talking about it. It wasn't necessarily a believer or an

574
00:48:20.800 --> 00:48:23.480
know er or thinking that was a
possibility or anything. But we were sitting

575
00:48:23.480 --> 00:48:28.920
there and it was. We had
agreed to meet at the wallow and if

576
00:48:28.920 --> 00:48:32.760
anything came up. Although neither one
of us were expert out callers, very

577
00:48:32.800 --> 00:48:37.639
novice probably sounded pretty sick making a
call. If anything came up, we

578
00:48:37.639 --> 00:48:40.679
would call to each other and then
meet at the wallow. So we were

579
00:48:40.719 --> 00:48:44.239
sitting there. It was very quiet. There was no wind, I could

580
00:48:44.239 --> 00:48:50.440
hear nothing moving, no animals,
no pine squirrels, nothing. And I

581
00:48:50.519 --> 00:48:54.400
heard a tree knock, and that
treeknock was uphill from us high little higher

582
00:48:54.440 --> 00:48:59.880
elevation, but it was more over
on the left side of the wallow where

583
00:48:59.880 --> 00:49:04.800
my son was sitting, but up
the draw from him, so further up,

584
00:49:05.119 --> 00:49:07.199
and it didn't sound like it was
too much further up, and so

585
00:49:08.519 --> 00:49:13.119
much like getting the tension of a
dog when the dog's ears go up and

586
00:49:13.159 --> 00:49:20.559
its headcocks to the side. When
that tree knock happened, I immediately all

587
00:49:20.559 --> 00:49:24.880
of my energy focused on that area, and I was just looking and trying

588
00:49:24.880 --> 00:49:29.159
to figure out what it was that
I heard, because it was the sound

589
00:49:29.239 --> 00:49:32.599
was like taking a Louisville slugger wouldn't
bat and walking up to a telephone pole

590
00:49:34.480 --> 00:49:38.360
and hitting it as hard as you
can, just real loud and distinct,

591
00:49:38.480 --> 00:49:43.719
one big knock. And I'm trying
to think of what that could be,

592
00:49:43.840 --> 00:49:46.800
and I'm trying not to let all
my sasquatch interest play a role here.

593
00:49:47.360 --> 00:49:52.440
And I thought, Wow, that
was a pretty loud knock. And I'm

594
00:49:52.480 --> 00:49:58.400
just sitting there and it's still just
like super quiet. And I hear a

595
00:49:58.440 --> 00:50:02.960
second knock, same exact location,
and I thought that is a tree knock,

596
00:50:04.039 --> 00:50:07.840
And I got my cow bleat to
read out of my pocket, and

597
00:50:07.920 --> 00:50:13.760
I made a cow talk noise,
which wasn't great, and my son recognized

598
00:50:13.760 --> 00:50:16.719
that it was me calling to him, and he answered my call with his

599
00:50:17.840 --> 00:50:24.239
cow talk, and he started getting
He took his arrow out of his bow

600
00:50:24.280 --> 00:50:28.039
and put in his quiver and was
getting ready to walk and meet me at

601
00:50:28.079 --> 00:50:30.519
the wallow. I looked at my
phone at that point, which was in

602
00:50:30.599 --> 00:50:34.760
my pocket. I never thought in
that moment to take my phone out my

603
00:50:34.840 --> 00:50:37.800
pocket, because when you're out hunting, especially bow hunting, you want to

604
00:50:37.840 --> 00:50:42.599
be as still as possible, as
little movement as possible, because the animals

605
00:50:42.599 --> 00:50:45.360
will pick up on it. And
so the last thing you want to do

606
00:50:45.440 --> 00:50:49.320
is quickly reach for something if you
think an animal is coming. So I

607
00:50:49.519 --> 00:50:53.360
just I didn't get my phone out
before this, and I thought it was

608
00:50:53.440 --> 00:50:58.159
going to be a bigfoot or possibly
a bigfoot, So you'd think, why

609
00:50:58.159 --> 00:51:00.000
wouldn't you describe your phone and start
recording it at least the tree knock or

610
00:51:00.000 --> 00:51:02.840
something. But that was the furthest
thing from my mind. It was really

611
00:51:04.280 --> 00:51:07.960
fear and shock I think I was
going into in that moment. So I

612
00:51:08.159 --> 00:51:12.599
cow talked to him. He cow
talked back. He started getting his stuff

613
00:51:12.639 --> 00:51:15.280
packed up to move to meet me
at the wallow, as did I.

614
00:51:15.920 --> 00:51:21.360
And I heard this creature, whatever
it was, which was up the draw

615
00:51:21.559 --> 00:51:24.440
and maybe a little left of me, more in my son's direction. I

616
00:51:24.519 --> 00:51:29.519
heard it take some steps. It
was like three or four steps if you

617
00:51:29.639 --> 00:51:31.840
looked up the draw up the mountain. It went from left to right,

618
00:51:31.920 --> 00:51:35.559
and then it came down the draw
on the right hand side of me,

619
00:51:36.280 --> 00:51:38.519
and all I heard was three or
four steps. And I heard it break

620
00:51:38.519 --> 00:51:44.480
a twig downhill from me, but
off to my right hand side, when

621
00:51:44.519 --> 00:51:47.760
it had started uphill from me on
my left hand side, so three or

622
00:51:47.800 --> 00:51:52.760
four footfalls. It covered seventy five
yards or more one hundred yards. It

623
00:51:52.880 --> 00:51:58.800
just it covered so much ground in
those step when it snapped a twig.

624
00:51:58.960 --> 00:52:01.679
I don't know what could cover that
much ground in those few steps, unless

625
00:52:01.760 --> 00:52:06.840
I didn't hear the steps in between
those and they were shorter, or if

626
00:52:06.840 --> 00:52:10.039
there was more than one creature around
me. But the directions of the steps

627
00:52:10.039 --> 00:52:14.719
were that way from upper left and
then it went across above me in elevation

628
00:52:14.800 --> 00:52:16.960
and then came down to my right
hand side. Was heading down the draw

629
00:52:17.199 --> 00:52:21.400
in the direction of where my truck
was parked. I meet my son at

630
00:52:21.400 --> 00:52:23.039
the wallow. He walks up to
it. I walk up to it,

631
00:52:23.199 --> 00:52:28.880
and he said what was that?
And I said, what did you hear?

632
00:52:28.920 --> 00:52:30.559
And we talked about it, and
I said, let's get off the

633
00:52:30.559 --> 00:52:32.400
mountain. And when I had grabbed
my phone and looked at it after I

634
00:52:32.480 --> 00:52:36.519
cow talked to him, it was
ten minutes to seven and we had agreed

635
00:52:36.559 --> 00:52:38.119
to meet at seven o'clock at the
wallow. But I couldn't wait. I

636
00:52:38.159 --> 00:52:42.280
had to get out of there in
that moment, and I had to get

637
00:52:42.360 --> 00:52:47.519
I was worried that these knocks were
over by him, and he only had

638
00:52:47.519 --> 00:52:52.000
a nine millimeter he was carrying and
I was carrying at ten, and so

639
00:52:52.039 --> 00:52:53.639
I at least wanted to get us
together, so we at least had those

640
00:52:53.679 --> 00:53:00.360
two handguns together versus just his alone. Should something happen that was requiring us

641
00:53:00.400 --> 00:53:02.639
to pull our guns, I said, let's get out of here. It

642
00:53:02.679 --> 00:53:07.519
took us an hour and fifteen minutes
to get up it took us about twenty

643
00:53:07.519 --> 00:53:10.679
minutes to get down, and we
semi ran down the draw to get to

644
00:53:10.719 --> 00:53:15.280
the truck, so we're moving pretty
quick. We went back to camp.

645
00:53:15.880 --> 00:53:21.039
My cousin and the relative from his
wife's side were there at camp. They

646
00:53:21.079 --> 00:53:24.159
didn't go out hunting that afternoon.
They were processing the elk that this other,

647
00:53:24.239 --> 00:53:29.039
the other person with us, harvested
the day before, so they were

648
00:53:29.079 --> 00:53:31.960
in camp processing. There were no
other hunters around, There were no other

649
00:53:32.039 --> 00:53:37.400
vehicles around, really out there by
ourselves. So we go back to camp

650
00:53:37.559 --> 00:53:44.519
and I share with them what happened
and what we heard with the knocking and

651
00:53:44.559 --> 00:53:49.440
the walking, and the gentleman with
us that had harvested the elk. He

652
00:53:49.519 --> 00:53:52.159
said, oh, the same thing
happened to me this morning. So he

653
00:53:52.280 --> 00:53:58.519
experienced exactly, or what I thought
was exactly my son and I had experienced

654
00:53:58.559 --> 00:54:01.280
that morning. He gave us the
coordinates to go back up there that evening

655
00:54:01.320 --> 00:54:05.679
to sit for the hunt, and
so we went up there, not knowing

656
00:54:05.719 --> 00:54:08.559
that it happened to him. But
I described where this creature walked and its

657
00:54:08.559 --> 00:54:13.159
footfalls and how far it got,
and he said, exactly the same thing

658
00:54:13.480 --> 00:54:15.599
in terms of the noox and where
they came from and the walking away,

659
00:54:15.679 --> 00:54:20.599
So I thought that was too much
of a coincidence to not cause alarm for

660
00:54:20.719 --> 00:54:25.280
me, and so sitting around that
evening, we decided that the next day

661
00:54:27.480 --> 00:54:30.360
the four of us were going to
go hunt that area because that's where the

662
00:54:30.400 --> 00:54:34.239
elk tracks were and we really wanted
to harvest another elk. And so that

663
00:54:34.320 --> 00:54:37.800
particular area in the Tobacco Room mountains, the road that I had parked on

664
00:54:37.840 --> 00:54:40.320
the night before and walked up that
was a lower logging road. There was

665
00:54:40.320 --> 00:54:45.280
a logging road above this area as
well, so you could drive the upper

666
00:54:45.320 --> 00:54:50.920
logging road and park and then walk
down this draw. The next morning,

667
00:54:51.599 --> 00:54:55.320
my son and this other gentleman drove
on the upper logging road and parked,

668
00:54:57.159 --> 00:55:00.800
and the plan was for them to
come down the draw. I'm going to

669
00:55:00.840 --> 00:55:05.000
say it's east of the wallows.
That's where they came down the draw and

670
00:55:05.039 --> 00:55:12.639
they stopped at the same elevation as
the wallows, and my cousin Mike and

671
00:55:12.679 --> 00:55:15.840
I parked at the lower area where
my son and I parked the night before

672
00:55:15.199 --> 00:55:20.599
and went up the draw and we
went up to where the wallow was that

673
00:55:20.639 --> 00:55:23.320
my son and I were hunting on
at the same elevation the other two guys

674
00:55:23.320 --> 00:55:29.800
were at and together at that time. They were bugling and kow talking back

675
00:55:29.840 --> 00:55:34.119
and forth. We were as two
separate groups to try and get some elk

676
00:55:34.199 --> 00:55:37.440
moving in the area, to see
if we could create some excitement for elk

677
00:55:37.519 --> 00:55:42.079
so that we could maybe see one. This other gentleman would bugle or cow

678
00:55:42.159 --> 00:55:45.400
talk, and then my cousin,
who's an expert caller, he would do

679
00:55:45.480 --> 00:55:49.239
the same back or a similar call
or answer. We did this for a

680
00:55:49.280 --> 00:55:54.599
little while until my cousin and I
were standing by the wallow and doing this

681
00:55:54.800 --> 00:55:59.480
cow talk and bugling and just having
periods of quiet time, ten minutes of

682
00:55:59.519 --> 00:56:01.559
just standing there listening, and then
there would be more talking, a cow

683
00:56:01.599 --> 00:56:06.880
talking or whatever. We were hunting. Basically, there was a tree knock

684
00:56:06.920 --> 00:56:09.880
in the same spot it happened the
night before and the same spot that happened

685
00:56:09.880 --> 00:56:15.480
to the other gentleman the morning before. And I just looked at Mike and

686
00:56:15.800 --> 00:56:19.480
I he said, was that a
tree knock? He looked at me,

687
00:56:20.079 --> 00:56:24.760
and I just shook my head yes
or said yes or something real quiet because

688
00:56:24.800 --> 00:56:30.119
the woods were so quiet. And
so he reaches down and he grabs a

689
00:56:30.159 --> 00:56:34.000
stick that he finds, and it
was thicker than a baseball bat. But

690
00:56:34.039 --> 00:56:37.400
he found a stick and he just
held one finger up to me, like

691
00:56:37.639 --> 00:56:42.199
hang on a second, and he
whacked that stick on the tree to knock

692
00:56:42.320 --> 00:56:45.480
back. And when he did that, his stick broke into many pieces.

693
00:56:45.480 --> 00:56:49.360
It was like a rotten branch or
something, but it was a knock.

694
00:56:50.239 --> 00:56:53.320
And he dropped that piece that was
still in his hand, and we stood

695
00:56:53.320 --> 00:57:00.320
there and this thing knocked back,
so it responded to his And again,

696
00:57:00.360 --> 00:57:04.320
this thing is so close to us. We couldn't see it, but it

697
00:57:04.440 --> 00:57:07.440
was like knocking what would be probably
if you're in thick woods, imagine twenty

698
00:57:07.519 --> 00:57:13.000
yards away or thirty yards away.
That's twenty large steps or thirty large steps

699
00:57:13.159 --> 00:57:16.039
away is where the knock came back
from. And it just felt like it

700
00:57:16.079 --> 00:57:22.960
was just so close to us.
And I looked at him and probably used

701
00:57:22.960 --> 00:57:29.880
some colorful language and said, let's
get out of here. And unbeknownst to

702
00:57:29.920 --> 00:57:32.519
me, he was angled away from
me. And he carried his big bear

703
00:57:32.599 --> 00:57:37.639
gun on his right hip in his
ribcage area. And my gun is a

704
00:57:37.760 --> 00:57:43.480
chest holster gun with a leather strap
that goes over it to hold it in

705
00:57:43.559 --> 00:57:47.039
the holster, and I didn't know
this, but he unholstered his gun,

706
00:57:47.760 --> 00:57:51.719
and that side of his body was
facing away from me. That side of

707
00:57:51.760 --> 00:57:55.239
his body was facing the direction of
where this tree knocking was coming from.

708
00:57:55.280 --> 00:58:00.719
So he unholsters his gun and looks
at me, and he makes a motion

709
00:58:00.840 --> 00:58:07.480
with his hand for me to unsnap
the leather strap that straps my ten millimeter

710
00:58:07.559 --> 00:58:12.039
into its holster on my chest.
And so when he told me to do

711
00:58:12.079 --> 00:58:16.920
that and get ready, I maybe
I went ashen or all white or something.

712
00:58:16.960 --> 00:58:21.800
I was just it was pretty scary. So I knew a guy who

713
00:58:21.880 --> 00:58:27.000
spent his life hunting in the mountains
for large game for him to unholster his

714
00:58:27.039 --> 00:58:30.880
gun because he feels a threat.
That's pretty serious in my books. And

715
00:58:30.920 --> 00:58:34.679
I have a lot of respect for
his honeting knowledge and everything. So when

716
00:58:34.679 --> 00:58:37.679
he's telling me to get ready,
I unsnapped that leather strap and I grabbed

717
00:58:37.719 --> 00:58:43.000
on to my gun. I didn't
unholestrip, but I was ready to if

718
00:58:43.000 --> 00:58:45.920
I needed to. So I had
my bow in one hand and my other

719
00:58:45.960 --> 00:58:51.119
hand up on my handle of my
gun, and just as I was unsnapping

720
00:58:52.079 --> 00:58:55.920
that leather strap on my holster,
whatever this creature was. It led out

721
00:58:55.920 --> 00:59:04.599
a sound that I've heard somebody described
in another podcast recently. Actually, Mike

722
00:59:04.679 --> 00:59:07.719
called my attention to it, my
cousin. But it was a sound of

723
00:59:07.719 --> 00:59:13.360
a lot of air leaving a lot
of lung capacity, big lungs, and

724
00:59:13.480 --> 00:59:17.239
an exhale with a huff in disgust. So if you can imagine just the

725
00:59:17.280 --> 00:59:22.559
most disgusted loud huff that if I
could assign an emotion to it, I

726
00:59:22.559 --> 00:59:27.559
would say disgust. And it was
probably about the same time that Mike was

727
00:59:27.679 --> 00:59:31.519
unholstering his gun. He unholstered his
gun, looked at me and gave me

728
00:59:31.559 --> 00:59:35.880
the motion to unsnap that leather strap, which I did, and this thing

729
00:59:35.960 --> 00:59:40.440
huffed, and he turned to face
the direction of where this thing was huffing

730
00:59:40.679 --> 00:59:45.960
from. And it then walked in
the same direction it had walked for my

731
00:59:45.079 --> 00:59:49.360
son and I the night before,
and the same direction it walked for the

732
00:59:49.360 --> 00:59:53.519
other gentleman the morning before, and
it went down the hill and again it

733
00:59:53.599 --> 00:59:58.280
was just a few steps and it
was out of there. I said we

734
00:59:58.360 --> 01:00:00.199
needed to get out of there,
and he agreed, and we walked in

735
01:00:00.239 --> 01:00:04.559
the direction of where the other two
guys were. Same elevation. We headed

736
01:00:04.719 --> 01:00:07.400
I'm going to say, to the
east or to the right, and walked

737
01:00:07.440 --> 01:00:12.280
over to them, and they had
heard the tree knocks and they heard the

738
01:00:12.360 --> 01:00:15.480
walking because it had walked down the
draw between where we were and where they

739
01:00:15.519 --> 01:00:20.800
were. And so we walked over
there and we worked debriefing on what was

740
01:00:20.880 --> 01:00:23.119
going on. And that's when the
other gentleman, who had already harvested his

741
01:00:23.239 --> 01:00:27.480
elk, who was there calling and
looking for deer while we were looking for

742
01:00:27.559 --> 01:00:34.079
elk. He had said that when
he had his encounter twenty four hours earlier,

743
01:00:34.760 --> 01:00:39.480
that he had unholstered his gun and
that this creature did that huff at

744
01:00:39.559 --> 01:00:43.920
him as well in disgust, and
he said, the way that you described

745
01:00:43.960 --> 01:00:45.840
it is exactly how it happened to
me. And so I'm thinking, wait

746
01:00:45.840 --> 01:00:49.480
a minute. You had all this
information that he didn't share with us,

747
01:00:49.519 --> 01:00:52.159
and then you sent us into this
area where all these things happened. As

748
01:00:52.199 --> 01:00:57.239
it turned out, he unholstered his
gun and he ran down the mountain to

749
01:00:57.280 --> 01:00:59.360
get out of there. I don't
know if he ran, but he got

750
01:00:59.400 --> 01:01:04.400
out of there because he said that
he was it scared him. Whatever it

751
01:01:04.440 --> 01:01:08.559
was it was, he didn't know
what it was. So having been having

752
01:01:09.079 --> 01:01:13.679
grown up in the woods and hunting
and listened to the animals move, I

753
01:01:13.800 --> 01:01:19.280
just can't figure out what would have
single footfalls and what would make that noise

754
01:01:19.760 --> 01:01:24.679
and do the knocks and knock back
and everything keeps coming back to sasquatch for

755
01:01:24.760 --> 01:01:31.079
me. But I didn't lay eyes
on it. I did contact a game

756
01:01:31.079 --> 01:01:37.000
warden about a month after this happened
or more to report it, or several

757
01:01:37.039 --> 01:01:43.320
weeks later to report the incident and
provide the coordinates, and that particular game

758
01:01:43.320 --> 01:01:46.400
warden said they lived five miles from
that location and would definitely go check it

759
01:01:46.400 --> 01:01:51.480
out. So I suggested that he
didn't go alone, he would bring someone

760
01:01:51.559 --> 01:01:55.840
with because this was I didn't see
any tracks, but it just sounded like

761
01:01:55.840 --> 01:02:00.519
a bay animal. It covered a
lot of ground pretty quick. So that

762
01:02:00.840 --> 01:02:06.400
is basically the first encounter of whether
it was an encounter or not. The

763
01:02:06.440 --> 01:02:09.599
pacing in two thousand and then these
three three accounts in the same exact area

764
01:02:09.599 --> 01:02:14.840
and the behavior that we encountered.
Can I ask a few questions before?

765
01:02:15.039 --> 01:02:19.079
Okay, that's absolutely incredible. So
your cousin Mike is a big game hunter.

766
01:02:19.760 --> 01:02:23.599
I'm sure He's very familiar with the
animals in that area. Are there

767
01:02:23.679 --> 01:02:30.119
any other animals that could make a
huff sound like that? It sounded like

768
01:02:30.199 --> 01:02:36.960
he was he was ready with his
gun for something. He absolutely was ready

769
01:02:36.960 --> 01:02:42.920
with his gun. I didn't know
that he unholstered his gun when he told

770
01:02:42.960 --> 01:02:45.400
me to get ready. When he
gave me that hand motion to unsnap the

771
01:02:45.519 --> 01:02:50.760
leather strap that was holding my gun
in that is when I realized he had

772
01:02:50.840 --> 01:02:54.519
unholstered his gun. And that is
about the time when this creature did that

773
01:02:54.599 --> 01:03:00.960
disgusted huff. And that's when he
then turned to face that direction, and

774
01:03:00.000 --> 01:03:02.960
we were both just looking as hard
as we could to try and see what

775
01:03:04.039 --> 01:03:06.559
this was. And then it walked
off and we couldn't see it. We

776
01:03:06.559 --> 01:03:09.679
could hear it walk off, and
we never saw it it was. But

777
01:03:09.880 --> 01:03:13.440
he is a very avid hunter.
He's been hunting his whole life. He's

778
01:03:13.440 --> 01:03:17.000
been hunting those mountains his whole life. But he didn't he couldn't figure out

779
01:03:17.119 --> 01:03:21.559
what it is. I know it
bothers him like it bothers me today thinking

780
01:03:21.559 --> 01:03:24.639
about it in terms of we just
neither one of us really want to see

781
01:03:24.679 --> 01:03:30.159
it or wanted to see it or
have the encounter, but to see it

782
01:03:30.199 --> 01:03:34.119
then would have put to rest the
what was it? But I just don't

783
01:03:34.159 --> 01:03:37.960
know what else it could have been. The tree knock back if you would

784
01:03:37.000 --> 01:03:42.159
say an elk would use its if
an elk took its rack and hit its

785
01:03:42.239 --> 01:03:44.760
rack on a tree, if they're
going to rub their rack on a tree,

786
01:03:44.760 --> 01:03:46.400
they're going to rub it up and
down on a tree. They're not

787
01:03:46.440 --> 01:03:52.920
going to hit it like the sound
of a wooden bat hitting a telephone pole.

788
01:03:53.199 --> 01:03:58.119
Just a real loud You can imagine
the sound if you were to go

789
01:03:58.320 --> 01:04:03.239
outside and do that today the sound. So was that Mike's first potential sasquatch

790
01:04:03.320 --> 01:04:09.159
interaction. That's an interesting question because
he and I have had this conversation a

791
01:04:09.199 --> 01:04:14.800
few times, and if he thinks
back on hunting in the mountains over the

792
01:04:14.880 --> 01:04:17.159
year, forty years of hunting,
it's a long time. And he said

793
01:04:17.599 --> 01:04:24.039
there's been times where roads that were
passable would have a log drug over them,

794
01:04:24.239 --> 01:04:27.039
and they would be going in somewhere
and then come back out and there's

795
01:04:27.079 --> 01:04:31.519
a log drug over the road where
they had passed. When people talk about

796
01:04:31.599 --> 01:04:39.280
hearing the screaming that you can't figure
out what it is that's screaming like a

797
01:04:39.320 --> 01:04:42.920
woman screaming in the woods. And
he knows all the animal sounds, the

798
01:04:43.000 --> 01:04:46.639
cats, the foxes, all these
sounds. He knows them all well,

799
01:04:47.079 --> 01:04:53.320
and he had that experience once.
But he, like me, never thought

800
01:04:53.360 --> 01:05:00.920
about sasquatch ever until I started asking
him questions after I had heard about the

801
01:05:00.000 --> 01:05:04.679
pacing situations and then I thought about
my experience in the Boundary waters up in

802
01:05:04.679 --> 01:05:10.079
Minnesota, northern Minnesota years ago.
I then decided to ask him if he'd

803
01:05:10.119 --> 01:05:14.760
ever seen anything out of the ordinary, which then started him down the path

804
01:05:14.840 --> 01:05:20.800
of listening to some podcasts and doing
his own armchair research at listening to podcasts,

805
01:05:21.719 --> 01:05:27.599
reading, etc. So that's very
interesting. Have you guys ever experienced

806
01:05:27.679 --> 01:05:33.360
any something can mentioned was experiencing finding
grizzlies, I believe out there with their

807
01:05:33.440 --> 01:05:40.800
next broken Is that anything that you've
ever run into out there? No,

808
01:05:41.280 --> 01:05:45.559
very thankful for that. My fear
would be running into a grizzly. And

809
01:05:45.599 --> 01:05:48.920
he's actually run into grizzlies out there
over the years when he's been out hunting,

810
01:05:49.280 --> 01:05:55.159
and he's never mentioned that he's run
into that. Just looking back at

811
01:05:55.199 --> 01:06:00.800
that and knowing that there weren't many
people around that entire We were probably there

812
01:06:00.800 --> 01:06:03.679
for I think seven or eight days. We might have seen three other hunters

813
01:06:03.719 --> 01:06:08.960
in different places around the mountains.
That's a lot of country to hunt.

814
01:06:09.920 --> 01:06:12.960
And it just doesn't make sense to
us as we think back on it,

815
01:06:13.239 --> 01:06:16.800
that it could have been a prank
by another hunter, with hunters just when

816
01:06:16.800 --> 01:06:20.239
they're too busy hunting to want to
prank others in this way. Right,

817
01:06:20.280 --> 01:06:25.559
Why would a hunter go to the
exact same location and tree knock and huff

818
01:06:25.559 --> 01:06:30.199
and how would they cover that distance
of walking when I just a lot of

819
01:06:30.280 --> 01:06:36.599
unanswered questions. But that was the
extent of seeing one had an actual visual

820
01:06:38.199 --> 01:06:42.119
and you were ready with both hands. Is that something you think about?

821
01:06:42.199 --> 01:06:45.159
What would have I done in that
situation? And I don't know what I

822
01:06:45.159 --> 01:06:47.639
would have done. I don't know
what I would have done. I knew

823
01:06:47.639 --> 01:06:51.400
I had my hand on my gun, I knew he had his gun drawn.

824
01:06:53.039 --> 01:06:57.199
I just didn't know. I don't
know. I don't want to see

825
01:06:57.199 --> 01:06:59.480
one. I didn't want to see
one then, I don't want to see

826
01:06:59.480 --> 01:07:00.840
one now. I hope I never
see one. If I do, it

827
01:07:00.840 --> 01:07:05.079
would be in a vehicle. It
would be a long distance viewing or somebody

828
01:07:05.119 --> 01:07:10.119
else having a really great sighting that
gets recorded or something. But I don't

829
01:07:10.119 --> 01:07:12.400
ever want to see one. I
hope I never do. I would tend

830
01:07:12.440 --> 01:07:15.119
to want to retreat just from what
I'm hearing about the size of an adult

831
01:07:15.760 --> 01:07:20.360
from other sightings, I'd want to
retreat and not risk taking a shot.

832
01:07:20.920 --> 01:07:27.559
And it's an incredible story. Since
the time that you've had that happen,

833
01:07:27.719 --> 01:07:33.519
have you heard of similar other interactions
happening in the Tobacco Root Mountains? I

834
01:07:33.599 --> 01:07:39.400
have not, and I've been searching
for that. I searched the podcast just

835
01:07:39.440 --> 01:07:43.679
to see if anybody else is talking
about that location, and I just haven't

836
01:07:44.000 --> 01:07:47.360
seen it. And I was looking
because I'd be looking for validation of what

837
01:07:47.519 --> 01:07:51.519
happened, and I just haven't seen
it. I'm fairly sure it wasn't a

838
01:07:51.519 --> 01:07:58.000
bear because and there are grizzlies there, because a bear doesn't have thumbs to

839
01:07:58.079 --> 01:08:01.360
hold a piece of wood to hit
it on a tree. And I think

840
01:08:01.400 --> 01:08:05.119
a bear would either come at you
or go away. It wouldn't just tree

841
01:08:05.159 --> 01:08:11.079
knock and respond to a tree knock. And I suppose bears do den or

842
01:08:11.599 --> 01:08:15.159
hang out in spots, but I
just wouldn't think three times in a row,

843
01:08:15.199 --> 01:08:18.159
we would have the same activity in
the same place unless it was a

844
01:08:18.199 --> 01:08:23.600
spot, because this was the only
fresh elk sign we had seen really in

845
01:08:23.640 --> 01:08:27.000
all the time there. Because the
elk were just in different locations than where

846
01:08:27.039 --> 01:08:31.079
we were. That it might have
been if it was a sasquatch or a

847
01:08:31.119 --> 01:08:35.359
grizzly, but it was a prime
hunting spot for them where they could look

848
01:08:35.399 --> 01:08:40.720
down on the wallows. Is that
area a place that you would ever go

849
01:08:40.840 --> 01:08:45.119
hunting in again or is that off
limits for you now because of that,

850
01:08:45.840 --> 01:08:49.159
that's a great question. I'm going
to be going back out to Montana elk

851
01:08:49.239 --> 01:08:55.640
hunting with the bow again this year
and just haven't decided where we're going to

852
01:08:55.680 --> 01:08:59.039
go yet. I don't know that
i'd want to go to that specific area,

853
01:08:59.359 --> 01:09:04.119
that specific draw where those wallows were, because that was for me personally

854
01:09:04.560 --> 01:09:08.800
terrifying first to have my son there, and of course, as a parent,

855
01:09:09.079 --> 01:09:13.239
you want to protect your kids,
but then second to have somebody who

856
01:09:13.279 --> 01:09:17.199
knows those mountains so well act the
way he acted. I knew that this

857
01:09:17.399 --> 01:09:19.960
was something out of the ordinary.
I really don't want to go to that

858
01:09:19.960 --> 01:09:24.840
specific spot again. Now. I
don't blame you I really don't blame you

859
01:09:25.039 --> 01:09:29.159
that if it would feel like I've
dodged something a few times. I don't

860
01:09:29.159 --> 01:09:30.960
know if I want to put myself
in that situation again. I don't know

861
01:09:30.960 --> 01:09:35.880
if what happens if lightning strikes again
right now. Something interesting about this area

862
01:09:36.840 --> 01:09:44.119
is that cattle ranchers are allowed to
let their cattle free range in this area,

863
01:09:44.800 --> 01:09:48.920
and there were cattle at lower elevations
in this area, and so you

864
01:09:48.960 --> 01:09:57.039
think about the beef on a cow
and versus elk meet, it's interesting that

865
01:09:57.079 --> 01:10:00.279
a cow would be very easy for
a creature of this and speed to catch,

866
01:10:00.840 --> 01:10:04.359
where an elk would be difficult to
catch or more difficult to catch.

867
01:10:04.479 --> 01:10:10.479
So it's just interesting. My cousin
and I were talking about the fact that

868
01:10:10.640 --> 01:10:14.479
the cows were plentiful, you know, in that area, so that was

869
01:10:14.520 --> 01:10:18.640
also interesting. Oh. Absolutely,
It's make it the best food source area

870
01:10:18.760 --> 01:10:24.479
that you could for a large animal
that needs a ton of calories per day.

871
01:10:25.159 --> 01:10:30.640
Let's give for reps some huge burgers
that are walking around and have at

872
01:10:30.680 --> 01:10:32.760
it. Boys, that's phenomenal,
man. I'd love to talk to some

873
01:10:32.800 --> 01:10:36.359
of those ranchers. I bet they've
had some come up missing, for sure.

874
01:10:36.399 --> 01:10:42.479
If they're free range. But really
that has been is an amazing story.

875
01:10:42.560 --> 01:10:45.439
Thank you for sharing. Right.
We've got Ian here with us today.

876
01:10:45.560 --> 01:10:49.439
Ian is from the state of Oregon. How's it going today, Ian,

877
01:10:50.000 --> 01:10:54.439
It's going good. How are you
today? I'm doing great, just

878
01:10:54.640 --> 01:10:58.760
hanging out on a nice Sunday.
We just got a few inches of snow

879
01:10:58.840 --> 01:11:02.880
out here in Iowa. And I'm
excited to hear We were talking on Facebook

880
01:11:02.880 --> 01:11:10.520
and you said you've got a few
encounter slash stories about bigfoot from your time

881
01:11:10.560 --> 01:11:14.960
out there in Oregon. So I
am definitely excited to hear those. And

882
01:11:15.000 --> 01:11:17.520
I'll let you get right into it. Okay. Yeah, I live in

883
01:11:17.560 --> 01:11:23.119
Oregon and I've been a hunter all
my life. I've always hunted, and

884
01:11:23.279 --> 01:11:28.680
about I don't know, fifteen years
ago, probably when I first started dating

885
01:11:28.680 --> 01:11:31.720
my wife, we were doing a
lot of camping and I was really into

886
01:11:31.720 --> 01:11:35.479
bear hunting at the time, spring
bear hunting, so I would plan these

887
01:11:35.479 --> 01:11:41.199
camping trips around Marica Camp and I
could go hunt. And we were over

888
01:11:41.880 --> 01:11:46.399
on the Mackenzie side of the Mackenzie
River area of Oregon and we were camping

889
01:11:46.439 --> 01:11:53.720
and I left camp to go hunting, and it was spring bear hunt,

890
01:11:53.920 --> 01:11:58.199
really nice weather, and I knew
a spot where there was lots of bear

891
01:11:58.319 --> 01:12:01.039
sign and I kept trying to get
in there and get one. And I

892
01:12:01.279 --> 01:12:05.800
was hiking down this road to get
to this clearing, and it's way up

893
01:12:05.840 --> 01:12:09.560
in the mountains, high elevation,
and I was trying to get to this

894
01:12:09.680 --> 01:12:15.279
clearing and I stopped and I relieved
myself, and I kept going until I

895
01:12:15.319 --> 01:12:19.520
got to the spot where I figured
i'd see bears. And I didn't have

896
01:12:19.560 --> 01:12:24.960
any luck. On the way back, it was getting dusk, and I

897
01:12:25.079 --> 01:12:30.239
passed where I had went to the
bathroom and the wind shifted into my face

898
01:12:30.479 --> 01:12:35.119
and I smelt the smell that I
smelled was I took it as a threat.

899
01:12:35.680 --> 01:12:40.119
It was not like I got scared. As soon as I felt it,

900
01:12:40.119 --> 01:12:41.880
it just killed me. I was
like, oh my god, what

901
01:12:41.960 --> 01:12:45.239
is this? And it was close, whatever it was. I was walking

902
01:12:45.279 --> 01:12:46.640
down the road and it turned to
the left and in front of me it

903
01:12:46.640 --> 01:12:50.560
was just a wall of thicket of
bushes and trees and I couldn't see anything

904
01:12:50.600 --> 01:12:55.640
in it. And it smelled like
I said, death, wet dog.

905
01:12:56.359 --> 01:12:59.319
Oh, it's just awful, just
an awful smell. It was like,

906
01:12:59.439 --> 01:13:01.520
damn face like something just let it
out like a skunk, but it was

907
01:13:01.640 --> 01:13:04.479
way worse than a skunk, and
it freaked me out. I had no

908
01:13:04.520 --> 01:13:09.119
idea. I didn't even I didn't
even think of that it could be bigfoot.

909
01:13:10.399 --> 01:13:13.199
I didn't know what it was.
And I got back to the camp

910
01:13:13.680 --> 01:13:15.399
and I was telling my wife about
this story, and she said, oh,

911
01:13:15.439 --> 01:13:18.239
that was probably bigfoot. I was
like, oh, wow, yeah,

912
01:13:18.399 --> 01:13:23.279
it probably was. That was pretty
much the first experience, and I

913
01:13:23.319 --> 01:13:26.479
didn't see anything. I didn't see
anything, but that got me really thinking

914
01:13:26.520 --> 01:13:31.359
about bigfoot. And I believe I
reported it to be a furrow or I

915
01:13:31.399 --> 01:13:35.760
don't know what the organ one of
the Oregon Bigfoot sites. So that was

916
01:13:35.800 --> 01:13:42.680
the first experience. And so that
same area was really good hunting, and

917
01:13:42.720 --> 01:13:45.600
we were coming We were going to
come back that same year, me and

918
01:13:45.680 --> 01:13:47.720
some friends to go deer hunting in
the fall. So we were back in

919
01:13:47.760 --> 01:13:51.680
there about October, and it was
when I was hunting previously. It was

920
01:13:53.079 --> 01:13:58.079
spring. Thing was about me.
So we were back in October hunting deer,

921
01:13:58.960 --> 01:14:01.239
and we were real close to the
spot that we were going to hike

922
01:14:01.279 --> 01:14:04.000
in and where I saw the bears. We were close to that spot.

923
01:14:04.760 --> 01:14:09.359
We found a camp spot and we
got out of the car. We're checking

924
01:14:09.399 --> 01:14:11.960
it out and we're like, well, let's go hunting and then we'll set

925
01:14:12.039 --> 01:14:15.279
up camp. And was his morning, early morning, so we got just

926
01:14:15.319 --> 01:14:19.600
got out of the truck and we
heard up above us, way up the

927
01:14:19.680 --> 01:14:24.399
hill and what I could describe as
as a whoop sound, but it was

928
01:14:24.520 --> 01:14:29.119
just loud. It was like so
loud you could feel it. And I

929
01:14:29.279 --> 01:14:32.279
was like, oh my god,
what that And I was like, that

930
01:14:32.359 --> 01:14:38.279
has to be sasquat And my friend
was with me, total skeptic. He

931
01:14:38.319 --> 01:14:42.239
wouldn't even entertain the idea that it
could be bigfoot, and it just blew

932
01:14:42.319 --> 01:14:44.800
my mind. I'm like, can
you hear that? What is that?

933
01:14:45.000 --> 01:14:47.880
I don't know, but it can't
be bigfoot, So the that's interesting real

934
01:14:47.920 --> 01:14:51.239
quick. So like he didn't have
an idea of what it could be,

935
01:14:51.359 --> 01:14:56.319
but he was like, no,
definitely not bigfoot, not a chance.

936
01:14:56.479 --> 01:14:59.640
Yeah, And I was asking him, I'm like what is it and he's

937
01:14:59.680 --> 01:15:01.159
it could be a person. I'm
like, that's no person. You can

938
01:15:01.279 --> 01:15:04.920
feel the it's so loud you can
feel the vibration. He just would not

939
01:15:05.079 --> 01:15:09.439
entertain the idea that was a bigfoot
then the next day we went back to

940
01:15:09.439 --> 01:15:13.359
the same spot. Exact same thing
happened. I should have recorded it.

941
01:15:13.439 --> 01:15:15.760
I should I didn't. It didn't
get cross my mind. I wasn't.

942
01:15:15.760 --> 01:15:19.279
We weren't looking for sasquatch. We
were hunting, and exact same thing happened

943
01:15:19.319 --> 01:15:21.600
twice, two days in a row. It might have been three, I

944
01:15:21.600 --> 01:15:27.439
can't remember. But we even drove
up to where I hear the sound getting

945
01:15:27.479 --> 01:15:30.800
around and it's just you can't It's
just jungle over there. It's Oregon coastal

946
01:15:30.880 --> 01:15:34.199
jungle. It's so hard to hunt
in you can't see anything. You gotta

947
01:15:34.279 --> 01:15:38.720
find like clearcuts and stuff. But
yeah, that was so we heard him,

948
01:15:39.640 --> 01:15:43.800
and that got me really thinking about
sasquatching. Research it and I started

949
01:15:43.840 --> 01:15:47.600
watching all the shows and I'm like
these I was watching the big Foot.

950
01:15:47.640 --> 01:15:50.640
I don't know that Bigfoot show,
that Bobo and all those guys, and

951
01:15:50.680 --> 01:15:55.600
they were trying to make that whooping
sound and I was like, man,

952
01:15:55.680 --> 01:15:58.840
they're not getting it. I don't
think it was so it sound almost sounds

953
01:15:58.880 --> 01:16:01.920
like a gorilla or something. Things
just so guttural and deep. Yeah,

954
01:16:01.960 --> 01:16:08.880
So that was the second experience,
and that was I said fifteen years ago

955
01:16:08.960 --> 01:16:14.319
probably, and then probably a few
years after that, I was turkey hunting

956
01:16:15.000 --> 01:16:17.920
in a spring. This was a
different area. It was along the same

957
01:16:18.079 --> 01:16:21.760
highway. It's a highway that goes
up over the mountains and over on the

958
01:16:21.800 --> 01:16:26.079
west side of Oregon. So it
was in the same spot, but it

959
01:16:26.159 --> 01:16:30.479
was our same off the same mountain, but it was probably fifty sixty miles

960
01:16:30.520 --> 01:16:33.760
from that spot. And so I
was turkey hunting, and I had a

961
01:16:33.840 --> 01:16:39.399
new truck and a brand new trailer, like a twenty five thousand dollars camping

962
01:16:39.439 --> 01:16:41.720
trailer, and I was just so
excited to go out and use it.

963
01:16:41.760 --> 01:16:45.560
And so I went out there by
myself, turkey hunting on Green Ridge.

964
01:16:45.359 --> 01:16:49.359
And it was nighttime when I got
up there, and I was trying to

965
01:16:49.359 --> 01:16:54.279
find spot to set up camp.
And I set up my I just pulled

966
01:16:54.319 --> 01:16:56.800
up a good spot. I'm like, this is It was all along the

967
01:16:56.880 --> 01:16:59.399
road on the top. I'm like, there's nobody out here. I'm just

968
01:16:59.439 --> 01:17:01.920
gonna cam up here and run my
generator and watch a movie and then go

969
01:17:02.000 --> 01:17:09.239
to sleep. So I was running
the generator, watching my movie, laying

970
01:17:09.279 --> 01:17:15.239
in my bed, and it sounded
like an elephant stomped on the ground outside

971
01:17:15.239 --> 01:17:17.640
of the trailer. Just everything shook, scared the hell out of me.

972
01:17:18.600 --> 01:17:20.880
I got up. I had a
forty five. I cocked it and I

973
01:17:21.000 --> 01:17:27.279
snuck outside, looked around, shut
off the generator. I couldn't see nothing,

974
01:17:27.319 --> 01:17:30.920
but I was freaked out, and
I was like, Okay, did

975
01:17:30.920 --> 01:17:32.960
I imagine that? I must?
What was that? I couldn't think of.

976
01:17:33.319 --> 01:17:36.479
I'm like, what happened? I
couldn't figure it out. I turned

977
01:17:36.520 --> 01:17:41.079
the generator back on. I go
back to lay down. I'm watching my

978
01:17:41.199 --> 01:17:47.039
movie and I hear smack right behind
my head. Something threw a big boulder

979
01:17:47.079 --> 01:17:51.760
at my probably a basketball sized boulder
at the back of my camp trailer,

980
01:17:51.800 --> 01:17:56.000
putt a huge stent in it.
I went out there with my forty five

981
01:17:56.039 --> 01:17:59.319
and I shut the generator off and
I ran to my cab, fired it

982
01:17:59.399 --> 01:18:04.439
up and left. It was scary. Wow, So yeah, that's nuts.

983
01:18:05.199 --> 01:18:10.000
So you immediately were like, I'm
out of here, no questions asked.

984
01:18:10.119 --> 01:18:15.000
Something just through a huge rock and
dented my trailer. I'm out of

985
01:18:15.039 --> 01:18:18.359
here. Oh yeah, it was. Have you ever gone back to that

986
01:18:18.479 --> 01:18:24.159
area? I have, I have, and we stopped hunting there because the

987
01:18:24.199 --> 01:18:26.840
turkeys there were a lot of turkeys
up there, and I don't happen to

988
01:18:26.880 --> 01:18:30.359
them. They all disappeared. They're
not there anymore. They were planning up

989
01:18:30.359 --> 01:18:33.720
there by the Oregon Department of Fishing
Game. They were there for a long

990
01:18:33.760 --> 01:18:36.680
time, and the turkeys, I
don't know what happened to them. They

991
01:18:36.680 --> 01:18:41.840
got hunted out or predators killed them
or something. So we stopped going,

992
01:18:42.079 --> 01:18:45.399
and I haven't really been back up
there for quite a while. I did.

993
01:18:45.439 --> 01:18:47.560
We did go back up there and
try hunting a couple of times,

994
01:18:47.600 --> 01:18:53.880
but never had any more experiences like
that. And I didn't see anything again.

995
01:18:54.560 --> 01:18:57.800
So I can't say it was sasquatch
or it was bigfoot, but I

996
01:18:57.840 --> 01:19:00.720
don't know what else it could be. What else it's is gonna throw a

997
01:19:00.840 --> 01:19:08.239
huge rock and dent the side of
your trailer and make the ground shake like

998
01:19:08.279 --> 01:19:14.720
an elephant because it did a huge
stop or it's just there's only one thing

999
01:19:14.760 --> 01:19:16.840
that leads to that I can think
of. I don't see a bear doing

1000
01:19:16.880 --> 01:19:23.159
that, but no. Yeah,
and it was very threatening, very threatening.

1001
01:19:23.359 --> 01:19:27.279
It's scary, and I haven't a
forty five pistol, But I didn't

1002
01:19:27.279 --> 01:19:30.279
really quit. Yeah, no,
I don't think you would. You probably

1003
01:19:30.319 --> 01:19:35.159
made the right call. Something was
aggressively trying to mess with your trailer at

1004
01:19:35.239 --> 01:19:39.239
least get you out of there.
Who knows what the next step would have

1005
01:19:39.279 --> 01:19:43.319
been. Have you ever checked to
see if there's other sighting reports in that

1006
01:19:43.399 --> 01:19:47.159
area? I haven't. I haven't. I should though. My first experience

1007
01:19:47.239 --> 01:19:50.920
is there's quite a bit of sightings
over on that side, really over on

1008
01:19:50.920 --> 01:19:54.760
the Mackenzie Pass, there's a lot
of them. Yeah, but I haven't

1009
01:19:54.840 --> 01:19:57.680
checked on the green Ridge area,
but I will all look at it.

1010
01:19:57.720 --> 01:20:02.079
I'm curious now, and I would
assume are you checking probably the BFRORO website

1011
01:20:02.239 --> 01:20:06.920
or Facebook groups or yeah. The
only way I've looked is like the BFRORO

1012
01:20:08.119 --> 01:20:14.239
one. Have you ever been back
to the Mackenzie Pass area. Yeah,

1013
01:20:14.319 --> 01:20:17.920
I've been back there a lot.
I love that area. Yeah. That's

1014
01:20:18.039 --> 01:20:24.960
wild, oh man, especially because
in that first account you're saying it happened

1015
01:20:25.000 --> 01:20:30.880
two days in a row. That's
just yeah, even years ago. Yeah,

1016
01:20:30.920 --> 01:20:33.760
when it was whooping making that noise, that yeah, that was it

1017
01:20:33.800 --> 01:20:36.680
might even been three days in a
row. It was. There was something

1018
01:20:36.760 --> 01:20:42.520
there wasn't leaving, and I thought
it was probably hunting the same deer we

1019
01:20:42.520 --> 01:20:45.279
were hunting as was my guess.
Maybe he was telling us to leave.

1020
01:20:45.920 --> 01:20:49.000
Let's say you're out hunting again.
It sounds like you're a guy, you're

1021
01:20:49.039 --> 01:20:53.479
hunting many different types of animals out
there, You're all over the place.

1022
01:20:54.199 --> 01:20:59.199
What would you do if you actually
you come around a corner and there's one

1023
01:20:59.359 --> 01:21:02.359
right there? Like, this isn't
a sound that's out in the corner,

1024
01:21:02.520 --> 01:21:05.880
This isn't a stone, that's a
rock that's being thrown at you, like

1025
01:21:05.920 --> 01:21:09.479
this is a face to face.
Have you ever thought what would I do

1026
01:21:09.600 --> 01:21:13.199
in that situation? From out hunting
and this happens, I have, Yeah,

1027
01:21:13.439 --> 01:21:17.000
and I would just relish the moment. I think. I don't even

1028
01:21:17.000 --> 01:21:19.640
think I would take a picture.
I think I would just be like,

1029
01:21:19.680 --> 01:21:24.880
Wow, I got to see one. I've heard a guy saying they shoot

1030
01:21:24.880 --> 01:21:27.760
one, But I wouldn't shoot one. They're smarter than we are, way

1031
01:21:27.800 --> 01:21:30.520
smarter than we are. I'd love
to just see one, though it's on

1032
01:21:30.520 --> 01:21:35.359
my bucket list. You have any
idea of what kind of creature they actually

1033
01:21:35.399 --> 01:21:40.840
are out there? Said something you
thought about as well? Yeah, man,

1034
01:21:40.920 --> 01:21:45.359
they're like I'm not sure. They're
almost spiritual, like a spiritual creature.

1035
01:21:46.640 --> 01:21:49.760
Everybody all the skeptics are like,
why can't you get a good picture?

1036
01:21:49.760 --> 01:21:53.279
Why can't you get a picture?
I think they do something to your

1037
01:21:53.319 --> 01:21:57.039
camera. I think they do something
to digital cameras. I honestly do.

1038
01:21:57.840 --> 01:22:02.279
I've thought about taking like an analog
maybe old film camera or something to see

1039
01:22:02.279 --> 01:22:06.479
if that makes any difference. But
I yeah, I think they're I think

1040
01:22:06.479 --> 01:22:14.399
they're smart there they can affect I
think they can affect your digital devices somehow.

1041
01:22:15.159 --> 01:22:17.479
Yeah, And I'm almost I'm not
sure what they are. I don't

1042
01:22:17.479 --> 01:22:23.359
know if they're like they may just
be like another another version of humans that

1043
01:22:23.439 --> 01:22:28.000
are just so in touch with nature, so close to the earth that they're

1044
01:22:28.960 --> 01:22:31.960
they can do stuff like camouflage themselves
or mess with your camera because they understand

1045
01:22:32.880 --> 01:22:38.880
whatever it is the spiritual that we
don't understand. Maybe I don't know.

1046
01:22:39.359 --> 01:22:41.479
I don't know. Yeah, I
thought about it. I think they're pretty

1047
01:22:41.479 --> 01:22:44.680
amazing creatures whatever they are, Oh, no doubt. And the cool thing

1048
01:22:44.760 --> 01:22:47.560
is that there's no there's no wrong
answers for it. No matter what anybody

1049
01:22:47.600 --> 01:22:53.800
out there says, we can't prove
that it's not an ape or not some

1050
01:22:54.640 --> 01:23:00.680
type of humanoid or some portal jumpin
creature. We can't prove anything. Yes,

1051
01:23:00.920 --> 01:23:04.920
Ian, this has been a very
interesting story, and I have a

1052
01:23:04.960 --> 01:23:10.159
feeling that if you keep going out
in these areas in Oregon, you're going

1053
01:23:10.239 --> 01:23:14.479
to run into something else again too. It just sounds like the areas you're

1054
01:23:14.520 --> 01:23:17.880
going are pretty remote areas. I'd
say, keep me up to date with

1055
01:23:18.000 --> 01:23:23.119
if anything else happens, but it's
final for sure. Been fun chatting with

1056
01:23:23.159 --> 01:23:26.279
you for a few minutes, and
thank you for sharing what has happened to

1057
01:23:26.319 --> 01:23:29.479
you so far. Yeah, no
problem, man, Thank you for the

1058
01:23:29.720 --> 01:23:32.079
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1059
01:23:32.159 --> 01:23:38.560
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1079
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1080
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1081
01:25:15.199 --> 01:25:20.159
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1085
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1086
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