Braced for the Unknown: A Father's Vigil in Oklahoma's Bigfoot Territory

0:01 Welcome to the big for Society. In this episode, I talked to Rocky, who shares the Bigfoot activity he's experienced in remote areas of the Washita National Forest of Oklahoma in Arkansas. If you've experienced something similar to what Rocky has, or have more information regarding Bigfoot or other cryptids in the same area, please reach out immediately to me after this episode. Remember, your encounter could be the key to unlocking this mystery once and for all, so please don't hesitate to contact me at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com. All right, bigfot Society, You've got the privilege of talking to a gentleman. His name is Rocky. He's a listener from Oklahoma, and he reached out to me wanting to share some really interesting things that have happened over the years. Rocky, how are you doing tonight? All doing pretty good? Looking forward to this for a while. Absolutely, I'll let you take the reins my good sir. Okay. I started out, I really never thought a whole lot about Bigfoot. Grew up in the eighties with Harry and the Henderson It's about as far as my thought process of it really ever went. And then I was working nights and had a lot of downtime and would tend to get into these YouTube holes suggested videos, and I was listening to one and it was some sounds from southeast Oklahoma, and there's a small town that's growing quite a bit down there called Broken Bow, and I'd been down there for my son's birthday. And there's a nice little quote unquote Oklahoma mountain town. And this was down in McCurtain County, which is where this town is. And I

1:34 thought, man, that's weird. I never thought about Bigfoot being in Oklahoma, never thought about Bigfoot being real. So I started listening to these videos. And I enjoy camping, being outside. I've grown up outside and never really crossed my mind. And I'm listening to this audio and I had to put my headphones in, and the description was it was a girl that had lived out there in the woods and heard this thing screening offer back patio. And I'd probably listened to this thing ten times. And of course the algorithms, once you get into something, it keeps playing. So I've got into a few months of listening to podcasts and shows and hearing things, and my curiosity starts going because Traditionally you think of people that believe in Bigfoot as being nutjobs. And I'm listening to these stories and they're judges, their cops, they're firefighters, there's military guys, and these are people that are held in fairly high esteem in our society. A cop can put you in jail for the rest of his life or the rest of your life if he says that you did something. And now you have a police officer that's saying that they've seen these things. It's something that was going to back in my mind.

2:47 And a group of us went to the Ozark National Forest out in Arkansas, and we're camping out there. And the first night we get there and we're settling down, we're starting to cook some burgers and I'm sitting there and I'm talking to my friend Buck, and I hear in the distance this screen that is just like the one on this YouTube video that I watched, and I'm listening to this thing, and one just the amount of force that it would take to make this noise for this long perked my ears up. And I looked at him and he's looking at me. And we've been going to that heard it and so, and that was all that really happened on that trip.

3:34 But after the fact, I went to Google Earth and I look up the area, and from where we were, it was a downslope about a mile and a half two miles and there's this canyon. And so in my head, I'm piecing together what I heard and how this was echoing through, and I'm trying to dissect what I heard and what it could possibly be. And the only way that I can describe it would be if somebody had a massive sound system, and it would have had to have been an audio recording, and I just don't see where we were, as remote as we were, that that is plausible. So that gets me even more into it, because now I've heard something like in person, not just something that could be made up online. It's something that I've heard. And so October of twenty eighteen, one of the guys that's on the trip with me hits me up and he's, hey, man, do you want to go on an off road trip for the weekend. There's a trail that is called the K Trail in southeast Oklahoma, and a good portion of it has been shut off and made private land. So what our goal, our point of the trip was to go from a place called Three Sticks Monument where it turns public and hit that trail into Arkansas and then come around the backside of Broken Bow Lake.

5:00 And I found a camp spot that was fairly remote, and so we're getting ready for this trip, and this storm moves in and I for people that are familiar with Oklahoma, twenty eighteen eight, a little town southeast of Oklahoma City flooded real bad, and we're watching this on the news, and Matt and I were talking and we're like, do we want to go on this trip? It's going to be pouring down rain. But we were already packed, we were already ready to go. I've got my son with me at the time. He was I think five or six years old. He was super stoked to go. So I was like, Matt, let's just go. We'll get out there, we'll camp. If it's just a muddy mess, we'll go down and hit Broken Bow. There's a bunch of little restaurants and stuff, and then come home. So we pack up and we head out and it's as we're getting closer, it's getting foggier and it's rain and pretty hard. In retrospect, I think they had gotten an Ada where it had flooded, had gotten ten inches of rain reported that weekend, so it was raining pretty good. So where we were hitting the trail, it's right by a road called Talmina Drive. Now Talmena Drive is very scenic and it goes on the ridge of an Oklahoma mountain and goes from Tallina I think is Oklahoma into Mina, Arkansas. So it's right off of this road is where the K trail intersects. So we pull off and we're both in four runners, and the trail is a little bit wider than our trucks. It's foggy,

6:30 it's raining, and so I really don't know the layout of it at the time. But we go maybe two three miles on this trail, and keep in mind Broken Bow is about a forty five minute drive south. There's a couple of real small rural towns that are five six miles north of us. But where we are, and if you Google map this, there's nothing around. So we go a few miles and it's pretty foggy and there's a little clearing. So Matt pulls his full runner in and I pull up to his driver's side. So the back of our trucks are towards the trail.

7:11 Looking forward, all I can see at this point is a little bit of trees. I have no idea what the topography of this place is. So I've got a rooftop tent on my fore erunner, so it folds over on itself. So I open my tent up. My son gets up in there. It's raining. We didn't even bother doing anything. We just wanted to go to sleep and look for the next day again. Truck is off the front and a little bit or a little bit front and off to the passenger side of my truck. He crawls in his passenger seat. He's sleeping in his four hunner. I jump up in my tent. The ladder to my tent is between my truck and his, and if the paint of picture, my feet are by the ladder. My head is on the other side of my truck. So me and my son crawl up there and we crash out.

8:05 It's raining. I sleep great like that, but I wake up and I can feel something wet on my neck, and I'm exhausted. I'm like, what is this? And my tent has a sunroof, and where the zipper is for that sunroof, and it was raining so hard it was seeping through the rainfly and puddling up on my tent and then dripping through this zipper. So it wakes me up, and I'm like, man, come on, So I reach up and I push my tent and all this water comes off of it, and I start to go back to sleep, And right about the time I go to sleep, I feel something wet on my neck again. So I push up, get all this water off, and I'm just about asleep and I hear something that will never leave my mind. I hear something that sounds fairly large and is quick and to me, is on two legs, and it runs from behind my truck, down the side of my truck, and out towards the front of my truck. So this catches my attention. Obviously. I've got my son with me. We're out in the middle of nowhere. I haven't grown up here. I grew up in southern California. When I moved here, I've always been told that part of the state be very cautious when you get off of main trails because there are some questionable people. So I've always had that in the back of my mind.

9:30 And now I'm in the middle of the woods, middle of the night. It's pouring down rain. Nobody in their right mind is out and I just hear somebody run past my tent. So I'm trying to wake up and get my whips about me, and I'm like, did I really just hear this? And about that time, I hear it come back, and I hear this by my truck the way it came. So now I'm like, I know I heard this. So I roll over on my back and being the background that I have prior military do not leave to go on stuff like this, especially with my son without being armed. So I'm laying on my back looking towards the ladder of my tent, waiting for somebody to come up.

10:11 I've got a forty five sitting on my chest and I've got a small practical shotgun laying beside me. In my mind, I'm thinking about one of the stories that I've heard. A guy by the name of Randy Harrington, who's a bigfoot guy, lives up in Kansas, and he and I talk quite a bit. Now. He shared some pretty cool stuff with me, but he's got a story where he had that he had one that was running back and forth by his tent, so that's you know, I'm triggering in on that. I'm trying to pay attention. This thing made six passes back and forth by my truck, and my adrenaline's going. My kids passed out. I'm sitting there thinking, I'm in a tent on top of a truck in the middle of nowhere. What is my course of action we going with this? And what's weird to me? And I'm sure it was just an adrenaline dump because I'm sitting there and I'm trying to calm my breath. My mindset is if half of what I've heard about these things is real, I don't want him her it whatever hearing my heart rate going. So I'm trying to calm myself down and process through my mind escape routes what my whole situation is going to be, and I don't understand it. I've been in other situations with high adrenaline before, but to this day, I do not know how I fell back asleep the way that I did, Like I went from wired wide awake, listening for every single sound that I could. In retrospect,

11:45 I wish I would have grabbed my phone and hit my recorder and had it all recorded. But I ended up waking up in the morning and I'm looking around and my buddy notices me's what are you doing? And I was like, man, were you screwing with me last night? He's what you're talking about? Like, qut mess around? Were you playing games last night? Because he knows how I am, and he messes with me every now and again. Everybody does. But I don't know what you're talking about. And I was like, you weren't out running around last night? And he goes, dude, he goes, I got up. He goes, you saw me when I got in my truck. I was wearing nothing but mine to where he goes. I got up to pee and I was soaked like it was pouring. I'm not going to go mess with you. He's what are you talking about? So I tell him what's going on, and so we go over to that side of the truck and we're looking for anything.

12:26 Branches are broke off, footprints in the mud. It was. It's a real rocky area. And looking back at it now, like I said, we're right on the ridge of a hill, mountain, whatever you call it. And right after the trail it drops off and it's just all wilderness. It's bushes and brambles and trees, and then there's a little clearing and it drops off the other side. So we talked about it, looked around, couldn't find anything. Thought it was weird and still raining. But we're like, you know what, let's just go, let's do this. So we pack up and we're driving and I'm paying a time what's around And we drove literally all day, and I think we saw one other person on the trail coming towards us. Never saw another house that I can recall until we crossed over into the Arkansas side, which was it's a long ways away, so it's not like somebody saw some headlights and came out to see what was going on. So we get to the next spot and saw some really weird shrines, hoodies and pants that had like stuffing in them. And this isn't on somebody's land, like, this is middle of nowhere, off in the woods, nails of trees. We saw this real weird shrine that had a bunch of kids toys, and it gives you a real creepy feeling. But we get to the next state stop that we stayed at, and it's a beautiful spot. It's on the east side of the lake. It's all hunting ground over there in national forest. There's no houses, no nothing, and we found this little spot had a clearing you can tell people at camp there before.

13:56 And it was raining, but not really that bad. And I was getting ready to start setting my tent up. And I still don't know because my kid, he's twelve now, and he still will not sleep in my tent after that night. He'll sleep in the back of my truck. But he was like, he's got I don't want to sleep in the tent tonight. Can we just sleep in the fore Runner? And I was like, man, yeah, if that's what you want to do, we don't have to open the tent up. We hang out, cook have a little bit of a fire. We're like, let's go ahead and call it a night. My son gets in the back seat and my full Runner and I'm in the front seat and I've got five percent window tent on my full Runners. At night, you're not going to see outside. And I still do not know what this is. I got woke up. It was probably an hour or two before the sun came up, and the best way that I can describe it coming from a dead sleep is it felt and sounded like an explosion, like dynamite outside of my truck, and it physically shook my truck.

14:54 So now my mind is going back to what happened the night before after we did our big I would say we were probably twenty thirty miles as the crow flies from where we stayed the first night, and I'm sitting in this truck that just was moving and I can't see outside. I don't want to open my door because I don't know who's outside. I don't know what's outside. I opened my door. Every light my truck inside and outside is going to come on. I don't want that tactical disadvantage if something is going on, whether it's a bigfoot or some crazy guy in the woods. So again I'm laying there and I'm trying to stay awake. I can't see anything, just pitch black through my windows. Eventually I dozed off and went to sleep, and in the morning we got up and I asked Matt again. I was like, hey, man, did you feel that he goes, Yeah, he goes. What was that? I was like, I have no idea like it shook my whole truck. But when I got out, I have an awning that mounts on the roof racked side of my truck, and it's got two aluminum bars that come out and then it's got two that come down, and I had it to where if it training, the water's gonna run off of it. When I get up and I try and get out of my truck, I can't open my door right because it's hitting something. Roll my window down and I see it's my haunting, and I figured it just the wind caught it or something. But when I got out, these aluminum bars were twisted up. The two sidebars were twisted up like pretzels, and then it was just laying there beside my truck. Never saw anything, hurt a lot, but definitely left an impression and it feeds more into the I

16:30 don't know if it's mysticism, but my curiosity of what it all is. And so it was. That was October. The following October, I was at a large off road community greet thing. It's a weekend deal that we go to every year, and I had a friend of mine came down from Missouri and we were at the very far end. And this is northwest Arkansas now, but the very far end of this camp were backed up to this river, and there was a fire pit. There was about thirty feet forty feet away from the back of our trucks. And the last night that we're there, it was her daughter's birthday. She had her daughter and I had my son with me and we're having a bonfire. It's just the two of us and the four of us. The kids end up going to sleep.

17:21 We're making made some smores and they go to sleep, and so I've got some extra small stuff and we're sitting there and talking and we're both interested in strange things aliens, ghosts, bigfoot. So we're telling stories back and forth the things that have happened to us. And I was telling her about what had happened in Oklahoma. And so just past where we're parked, there's a river. The other side of the river is nothing like hundreds of acres miles of just wilderness. There's nothing over there. And we're sitting there and we're talking and I can hear something across the river in the woods. So we're talking and I've got a pretty strong flashlight and I click it on across the woods, and as soon as I put my light over there, it stops.

18:08 So I click it off and we're talking and it starts up again, so I click it on and it stops, and she's picking up on what I'm doing, and she's what are you doing. I was like, you not hear that? She as I do, and I was like, I figure it's a deer or something. I'm just looking for some eyeshine. I don't know what it is. So we're sitting there and I've gotten my back to my truck and when I'm looking at the fire, she's on the other side of the fire. And then there's maybe fifteen twenty feet away. The little sandy beach that we're on turns into woods, and we're sitting there and I hear something fall by us, and I'm thinking maybe a corner or something, and so we're talking and I start hearing stuff across the river again, and I flick my light on, and as soon as I flick my light on, I hear something come out of those woods on our side of the river. I hear it hit some leaves and branches and it fires right next to me, and I click my light off, and I look down and I'm looking around and there's no acorns. There's some small rocks. This is getting interesting. We're sitting there talking to some more and I hear something across the river, and I flip my light on, and when I flip my light on again, something gets thrown from the other tree line. So I flipped my light on to that other tree line, and then across the river, I start hearing noise. Now my friend picks up on what I'm doing because she's hearing it all, and she goes. She goes, is this really happening right now? And I said, I've been paying attention to what's across the river, and I started noticing when I flip my light on over

19:42 there, it gets quiet. But I get something thrown at me from over here, and she's that. She goes, I've been hearing that. And then when I flip my light on and look at this tree line across the river starts making noise. And it wasn't in like a threatening way. It was more of it had this very place full banter to it, and I was enjoying it. We were like, you know what, I need to go to the bathroom. The closest bathrooms. We had to walk. It was like a five mile walk to where these bathrooms are. So we get up and we go there, and we come back and we start talking, and the same stuff starts going on. The people camping next to us. He was a Air Force pilot in training and his wife was a veterinarian, and they were up at the main part of the camp across the place.

20:23 They've been drinking, and they come over and sit down next to us and they're talking, and the whole time, the back and forth across the river and behind us is going on. And she got hit. The veterinarian girl got hit by a little rock and she looked at me and she was like, what was that? And I was like, oh, we've been playing back and forth. I said, there's something across the river, and there's something in the tree line. And when I turned my light on across the river, something in the tree line gets our attention and we'll throw things at us. And this girl gives me this look hale as it goes she's Nope, I'm out, I'm not doing this. I'm leaving off, she goes. So anyway, I know I'm rambling a little bit, but this was one of the cooler things that I just I can't explain anything other than linking it back to other stories. We've got to get up and leave in the morning. We're going to make some breakfast, and so the fire's dying down, and I had a couple of extra Hershey's bars. There was some gram crackers, some marshmallows, and me just being me. We get up and I left all the food there, and I was like, all right, man, like, we've had fun with y'all, but I'm going to leave you some snacks enjoy. We're going to bed. So we go up crash out. The next morning, we get up and I'm making pancakes and bacon and all this. We get done, and I go to start cleaning dishes and pots and pans, and I've got this big six gallon jug of water that I use. And there was a tree that had been cut down that

21:57 was laid down right behind my truck, and then there's another tree that's directly behind my truck and it's still there. So I'm using the one that had been cut down to prop my water jug on, and I'm washing stuff, and I completely forgot about the food. That I had left out, and I glanced over and the tree behind my truck. Now keep in mind, this is thirty five forty feet away from where our fire was, and at the time, the wind was blowing from my where my truck was to where the fire was. I look over and there is a full Hershey wrapper placed right at the base of the tree, looking right at my truck. And I look at that, and I looked over at my friend and I was like hey. I was like, come here, and she's like, well, I said, just come here for a second. I said, did you do that? And she was like no, She goes where'd that come from? I said, I left him on the chairs over there, and she that's strange. And so I'm thinking it's one of just the wrappers, and I'm like, what are the chances of this wrapper out of the bag that it was in against the wind and even all of that laying perfectly on the ground pointed at my truck. So we go over there and where I pick it up, and it's one of the full bars and there's about three quarters of it is gone. And so I look at the wrapper. I'm thinking, if it's a raccoon or something, the way they're going to tear into it, and it wasn't. It was torn into it like somebody with a finger and a thumb grabbed it and ripped it. And there was one

23:30 bite that was out of it, very large comparative wise to a hershey bar. If I would have bitten into it like that, the teeth and the way that it was bit into would not have looked like that. So we start looking around and I've got some pictures. I think I still have them on my phone. It's sandy going down to where the lake was or the river was, and we start looking around and we notice what looks like a footprint. There's I think there was four maybe five so impressions, and there was like the front of your foot. I don't even know if that's the heel of the ball. I guess it's the ball pressed in. And then you can see a little bit of the heel. And so my friend that was with me is she's about six foot six y one, and so she pulls her foot her shoe off and puts her foot next to it, and it's quite a bit bigger than hers. And so I'm six three, about two forty five two fifty and so I get down in the sand and I get my thumb and I try and push my thumb down in the sand, and I'm pushing as hard as I can, and I couldn't even leave any bit of a divot in there. We took some pictures of it, cleaned up our stuff, and went home. But that was that was definitely a fun night, and like I said, it was very playful. But then the next day to have that left the way that it was, and we were in the fam camp side, so everybody was asleep on our side, and we went to bed like there wasn't anybody up. We were one of the first ones up in the morning. So like the likelihood of somebody coming

25:02 and placing that and doing that is just very slim. I guess it's there, but in my mind it didn't happen like that. You said that you could see where something I'd taken a bite of the bar, right, yeah? Could you tell what shape of teeth were used with when there was a bite taken of that bar at all? So if you could picture a Hershey's bar, and if you took a bite diagonally on one of the corners, and like I said, it was about I don't know. A corner of the bar was gone, the rest of it was there, and it looked like they're definitely rounded teeth like. It wasn't a squared off, straight edge.

25:48 It didn't look like a cat you ever see a cat when it chews on something, how it's real jagged. It was very smooth, very rounded, and there was about maybe two two and a half curves in there where something had bitten into this bar and looking at it and her and I were going into detective mode on this because we thought it was pretty cool, but it was way bigger than I would have my teeth marks would have made in it. Anyway, it makes for just this strange story, definitely having those that candy bar messed with and then the thing on the other side the river. But what I also think is very strange is in another one of your accounts, the aluminum bars that were twisted up like pretzels. Do you think there's any chance that a human the type of bars that you had there any chance that a human could have done that or were they pretty steady bars that you had there? No, they're very lightweight aluminum bars. I mean I could twist them up pretty easy. The more of the reason that I think that it wasn't a person is just the amount of not the amount of the area that we were in was so remote, and like I said, we went all the way into Arkansas all the way back. It's all dirt roads and trails. There's no houses out there. There's no houses that I'm aware of from Broken Bow Lake until you hit the Arkansas state line, and the only thing that I saw there was there was a church camp right on the

27:19 state line, but there's nothing there. It's all public land and hunting land and national forest. Just the amount of people that we saw that day, and then even when we left, we didn't see anybody until we got back on the main highway. So the weather that we had, the rain that we had, and the fact that we literally did not see anybody around, I just and honestly, if it was a vehicle that pulled up from where we were parked where the trail came in, they would have lit my truck up when they were coming in. I would have my windows are dark, but I'll see tail lights or something. So they would have had to have been on foot, and I just I don't it's possible, but I don't think that it's plausible that anybody else was out there. And I even thought about the wind and the rain being on it, but that might crease them in half and make them fall. But these were like twisted around. Twist it up. It'd be extremely weird. It'd be unsettling for sure. And you were sitting there and ready for anything. You ever, have you ever thought about what if something had actually poked its head up or you actually got a visual of something. Have you ever thought about how that would have played out. I don't. I have, but I don't know how it would have played out. So my standard load when I go now, I've got two handguns that I keep on me. One of them has got twenty four shots in it. The other one has got fourteen plus one in the chamber.

28:52 The shotgun, I typically keep two two loads of buckshot and then three loads of a slug and then I've also got a small three hundred blackout ar pistol that I take with me with thirty rounds, and then I bring quite a bit of extra with me. I honestly don't know how that would have worked, the military side of me, the training side of me. If I would have seen something that wasn't human poke its head in my tent. I'm probably going to in my mind of the size of these things, because I've heard multiple people say I didn't. I don't think I had enough firepower for it. I'm probably going for eyes, possibly a throat if I can see it, but I really don't know. And I've got that feeling to where I don't want to be aggressive with something that I don't think that I can win against. That said, having my son with me, if something's going to be aggressive, it might kill me, but I'm going to do everything I can to hurt it and make it second guess what it's doing.

29:52 Like I said, I just I had that forty on my chest with one hand on it, and then I had the other one with the shot gun beside me, and I don't know how that plays out, and it's still it messes with my head when I think about taking my son out, because if I go out somewhere and something happens to me, it happens to me. But the fact that he was there with me took it to such a different level that I don't know how that would have played out. It's definitely very interesting to put myself in that situation too, being a father as well. And yeah, it really puts a whole different spin on it. The area that you were traveling through in southeast Oklaholma. Have you heard of other people experiencing bigfoot in that same area that you were. It is a very hot spot and I've listened to a few of your podcasts and like I linked up with you on TikTok. There is when you get down into the broken baw hoachtown area. It's a lot of the touristy things. Everything is bigfoot down there. They've got the big big Foot meat that I found out this year. I guess they're canceling that or trying to find someplace else to have it, but they've got the big phnobia. I live here. I still don't know how to pronounce some of these towns around here. But they do the big big Foot festival down there. There's that famous one that you were talking about a couple of days ago, the Siage on Panoviia. That is all right in that area. I actually had a friend of mine that moved, he sold his house. He lived in a town called Antlers that's been the same area and he was having some that were all over his yard and

31:26 he had security footage of it. I can send you the link. I think he still has his videos up on YouTube where you can see shadows coming and going. They were messing with his horses, messing with his kids, and he packed up. I think he's in South Texas now. They ran him out of his house. So there's definitely a lot of activity down there, a lot of just wild, untouched land. And that's everybody says, I don't think that those things exist. We would have seen him the night Man getting airplane fly over. See how many miles and miles of just nothing. I get like the whole hokey image Bigfoot. But if you think about it in a different way, is it possible in these thousands of square miles that something exists that we don't know about, That something that is highly intelligent, that is very good at hide and seek, if you want to call it that. Is it plausible that there's something there in thousands of miles that we just we can say we've discovered them, we've flown over them. But I guarantee you there's plenty of places just in the state that's never had a human foot touch. That is wild to think about. I haven't gotten the chance to go down to Oklahoma yet, but from what I've researched and seen, the Wachita National Forest alone is just such a massive area. I'm sure you've thought of this a few times as you've done different forms of looking into Bigfoot, the creatures that are reported around that area of southeast Oklahoma. Do

33:00 you think we're dealing with an undiscovered grade ape or what do you think we might be looking at with this particular creature in the area. I don't know. I've heard a lot of really compelling arguments of them being some sort of a supernatural thing. You get out in the snow and you're following footprints and then they just disappear. I've heard a lot of links to these orbs of white and then these things show up. I don't know. I guess I look at it more of an actual creature, an animal, more along those lines than I do maybe a spiritual thing. Speaking of all of that, it just it's on topic. But Oklahoma's got a lot of Native American and it's funny that literally every single tribe has got some sort of lower of a Bigfoot or a hairy man or whatever. It's just I don't know. I see it more of being just a creature that is really smart. That's it's good at what it does. It's good at hiding itself, it's good at covering its tracks. Everybody says, if they were real, we'd have one in zoo. Cool. I've never seen a bear when I'm out at places.

34:19 I know there's places I can go and probably see one, but in my day to day I never have. There's a lot of animals that you're just never going to see. They're good at camouflage, they're good at hiding. So if you get something that's highly intelligent, I just I don't see where it's outside the realm of possibilities that it's just good at what it does. It's good at hiding. Yeah, I don't know. Just Southeast Oklahoma feels it's one of those places that you've got people like the guys from Area X and Nawac, and it just it feels if we actually get to the point eventually years down the road, where we get a type specimen or we get a solid this generation's video or photo that's not blurry, it feels like it's going to happen in that area, but I don't know. We will have to wait and see. You mentioned that some maybe supernatural aspects or non flesh and blood. Have you heard accounts in that area where there's been things like orbs or things that might not be attributed to flesh and blood creatures?

35:29 Yeah, yeah, you hear stuff about the orb thing. That buddy of mine that had to play some antlers has got a very weird video that I don't understand at all. But he right before he moved, and this video is one of the reasons that he moved. He had a above ground swimming pool and from the camera angle from his house, he's looking out his backyard and there is the swimming pool and his horses aren't a pasture back there, and he's got lights are on, motion sensors and everything. But he's got this video where if you look at the pool and it's just on one side of the pool. Because I'm thinking about it from scientifically different whether anomalies or high pressure low pressure around where the water is and it's warm and it's humid, but the horses start acting weird. Lights come on. He's filming it and there's like this fog that creeps around from the back of the pool and it gets a few feet in the camera shot and it's sitting there and all of a sudden, it's like somebody turns on a vacuum cleaner, like this sucks back around the back of the pool real fast, and then it's gone.

36:45 And then I think that same night, shortly after he had caught some shadows, but the horses start freaking out and all that, and I don't know what would cause that. I don't know if it's one and the same, but it was just it was very odd. And after he had a few videos of stuff like that, he's I'm out, like I can deal with animals, I can deal with something like that, but I don't have any idea what causes that. I don't know. It's one of those things. And I was going to say, too, when you were talking about cameras and pictures and everything, that's something that that I think about a lot, because everybody's everybody's got a camera, everybody's got their phone, everybody's got a camera. Why don't you take a picture? Telling me right now? That night, when I was laying in my tent, my phone was right next to me. The absolute last thing that I thought about until the next morning is that phone I should have I wish I would have I wish I would have kicked it on and had audio, I had any kind of proof or could get a second opinion about Hey man, what does this sound like to you? But like in that situation, when that's going on, that was literally the last thing on my mind was, Hey, I should grab my phone and try and get something. Oh yeah, you're in a situation like that. You're in, especially one where there's your son with you, more focused on protecting, being ready to do whatever needs to be done, and unfortunately, getting audio is definitely pretty low priority unless here gung ho researcher that's off by yourself or with your buddies or something. But I totally get

38:21 how that happened in that situation. It would have been the same for me. So yeah, I think there's a big difference between going out and looking for it. Randy, I've talked to him where he'll go out and he's got parabolic mics that are taped up around his truck, and he'll set up a tent to make it look like somebody's in there, and he stays up all night like looking for it with audio and video and everything else, and then it's a totally different ballgame when you're not expecting it, you're not thinking about it. That was the night that we went out. That was the last thing on my mind. In all honesty, I bring the guns with me more for Mount Lyons people that I don't trust any kind of self protection that we're going to have. The last thing that I thought was I was going to have something running by my tent at three o'clock in the morning, in the middle of a torrential downpour, you know, five, ten, fifteen miles away from anything. That's the last thing that was on my mind that night. It's fascinating and just very interesting stories, the ones that make you really think, and people that hear it, I'm sure have also experienced things similar to it. I'm sure there'll be a few people that will reach out after this episode, But Rocky, it has been a fun time chatting with you tonight. If you are lucky enough to go out again, and if you experience any other of the ordinary things, please feel free to reach out. Definitely. Oh absolutely. Actually, I've got a friend right now that I was talking to the other day that's going through some stuff and had

39:52 mentioned want to go camping, and I had told her that I was going to be talking to you about this, and she's like, this weekend, we're gonna have to talk about it because I want to know and I want to go. And I'm like, I'm telling you, I'll take you. I'm not scared, but I've got a pretty good track record of weird things happening that I can't explain when I go camping. I'd love to I'd love to get back out, go back down in the same area. Really, all over or southeast Oklahoma is it's very remote, even the towns that are there. That's one of those that you might have a stop sign in the middle of it. So you just you've got a lot of wilderness, a lot of area. There's a lot of stories, there's a lot of folklore, and if half of it's true, hopefully it'll come and find me while I'm there. Good luck going out in the future, stay safe, and I hope to hear from you soon in the future. Oh absolutely, I appreciate it. Just wanted to take a few minutes to say thank you to you Homan listeners for listening to the podcast. Please take a minute to help out the show by subscribing on YouTube, making sure you hit the bell so you don't miss any notifications, and share the episode on YouTube with a friend.

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