April 2, 2025

Does Bigfoot Farm Mushrooms? | Virginia

Join us on Bigfoot Society as we delve into the fascinating and eerie world of Bigfoot encounters with guest Anita Allen. Anita, an artist, writer, and seasoned researcher from Southwest Virginia, shares her thrilling experiences from Bigfoot Alley, a...

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Season 1

Join us on Bigfoot Society as we delve into the fascinating and eerie world of Bigfoot encounters with guest Anita Allen. Anita, an artist, writer, and seasoned researcher from Southwest Virginia, shares her thrilling experiences from Bigfoot Alley, a mysterious trail in a restricted wildlife management area. Discover her initial 2004 sighting, frequent trips, and the intriguing knocking patterns and possible fungal farming activities observed over the years. Anita also discusses the potential cognitive benefits of fungi for Bigfoot and explores profound theories on the existence of these elusive creatures. Don't miss out on this engrossing episode filled with firsthand accounts, detailed observations, and a fresh perspective on Bigfoot research.

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slash the Bigfoot Society and now let's get on with

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the show. At Bigfoot Society that the privilege of talking

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to Anita Allen today. Nita is an individual with a

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lot of really interesting things to share. We were just

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talking a little bit before the show, and it's going

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to be a fun one. Anita is an artist, writer, outdoorswoman,

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and fourteen phenomena researcher living down in Southwest Virginia. She's

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experienced a lot of really interesting things over the years,

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so glad to have her on the show today. Anita,

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how's it going.

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Hey, oh, it's going fantastic.

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Is there anything else that we should know about you

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before we get headed down this road?

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I wouldn't know where to begin. I jokingly say that

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I've led a very interesting life, but I have been

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experiencing fourteen phenomena for lack of a better word, since

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I was basically maybe a year old, and I grew

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up in a haunted house, learned to deal with all

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that stuff. My family is very, very, very science oriented.

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My mother's response to any question of what is that

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is read a book, that the answer is in a book.

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And so I spent most of my early childlihood trying

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to research about the phenomena of the spirit that we

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lived with and everything else that was going on, and

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came to the realization that science didn't know everything yet,

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and my mother's response to that, or my grandfather, who

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was a naval scientist, his response was essentially, if science

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hasn't figured it out, then it's your job to go

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figure it out. So I decided to study parapsychology. It's

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not what I have my degree in, but that was

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my side hobby and study this phenomenon. And since I

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come to it from a naturalist point of view. I

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have a very passive way of doing it, where I

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spend long periods of time literally just studying what it's

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doing and taking notes and collecting data and trying to

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be as unbiased as possible about what I'm seeing, experiencing,

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or making notes on. Because the devil is in the details.

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The truth of what we're seeking is going to turn

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out to be from something that everybody's overlooking because it's

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just too obvious to be a part of this phenomenon.

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But I really feel like it's going to be something

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like that, and we're all going to be slapping our

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heads and going, oh man, it was right in front

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of us. So I have a lot of notes, lots

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of pictures, lots of things that I get involved in.

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It's some really interesting stuff, and you've been sharing some

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photos and so I'll have those in the YouTube version

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as well. So if you listen to it early in

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the morning, you want to go over to YouTube and

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check it out over there as well, because there's going

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to be a lot of photos from Anita. But Anita,

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you're on the podcast specifically to share some really interesting

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things that happened to you. I leave back in two

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thousand and four, Would you mind taking us back to

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that time to share what you experienced more concerning bigfoot?

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Certainly, So I got involved with the Virginia Blue Ridge

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Bigfoot Research Organization kind of by accident. I had returned

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to college and was finishing a horticulture degree, and I

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had a lot of downtime, so of course I was

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doing my paranormal research and found that there was actually

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bigfoot research happening in the Blue Ridge, and I had

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friends that had had experiences. So I went to the

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site and conveyed their experiences, and William Drangus, who was

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running the organization at the time, got in touch with

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me for more details. We ended up corresponding. He loved

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what I was doing degree wise, loved the research that

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I was bringing back for him. I had access to

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a primary folklore collection at the time and was able

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to really go into it and look for His specific

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request was pre colonial early settlement era reports on bigfoot,

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So that was my target that I was hunting, and

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I was having a great time doing it. So I

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was kind of doing a little bit of field work

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for him. His most of his area was northern Virginia

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and the Manassas area at the time, sometimes up around Chesapeake,

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and I was at least six hours away, so occasionally

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I would go up and do research on one of

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the sites that he had in the Charlottesville area, and

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you know, did a lot of corresponding photographically.

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So I was.

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Out near a wildlife research area, and I'm going to

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be vague on this part, but it is a wildlife

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management and botanical research area and it's a restricted access,

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or at least it was during that time period. It

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is still strict use, but not as restricted now. And

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I happen to be in that area on business, which

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factors in that morning. So I had one of these

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new cutting edge miniature handheld video cameras way back in

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the day. This is two thousand and four. This is

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the March of two thousand and four. This was a

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Wednesday morning, about eight or nine o'clock, and I was

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going to test out this camera. So I am not

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dressed for hiking, but I know that this wildlife management

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area is fairly easy trails, very enjoyable, and it's got

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some unusual tree features. Today nobody understands why there's this

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weird bend at the bottom of a number of the trees,

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it's like they came up. They come up a few

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inches and get bent over, and it's not the same

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as the right angle tree markers. The assumption is that

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at some point in time in the fifties there might

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have been some kind of strange weather event or something

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that forced all these trees over. They're not in a line,

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they're randomly up and down one particular hillside. That particular

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hillside is an area that I call Bigfoot Alley, and

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we'll get into that in a minute. So my thought

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was I was going to go out there with the camera,

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have some fun, film some of this, send it back

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to William and get familiar with the equipment. And so

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I am dressed for business. I'm not skinny, two hundred

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and sixty some pounds. I'm a chunky little monkey. I

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was wearing brown kitten heeled boots, brown pants, a white sweater,

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a long brown leather and shirling lined coat, and a

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brown leather cap leather hat. And I have bright white

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blonde hair, just to give you the idea. So I

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accidentally was Bigfoot colored. I think this may factor in.

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I'm not sure. Well, I've noted that whenever I am

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in earth tones, there's more activity, so I'm not dressed

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for this. I go out. We have had nothing but

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horrible ice and snow, just like this past year. Off

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and on we'll have a warm up and then a freeze,

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warm up and a freeze, so ice has become packed.

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And when I get into the area, initially the weather's lovely.

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It's about forty degrees in the lower sections, perfect for

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going for a winter hike. And I go and hit

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the trail. I don't notice anything at this point because

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I'm not looking for anything and it's just a normal

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winter hike for me. Now, when you get through Bigfoot Alley,

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there's this switchback that goes is up to a ridge.

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On top of the ridge, the trails are basically a

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figure eight. You're going to come in at the middle

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part of the right side of the figure eight, and

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going to the right, you're heading more northeast. Going to

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the south you're going to be heading or going to

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the left you're going to be heading southwest. And about

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where the meeting point is in the center of the

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figure eight is a narrow pathway where you climb down

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some rocks down into a wildlife management area. Again restricted use.

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No chance of they're being bigfoot here. It's far too

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close to residential areas. To the far side it is

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all pastures and cattle farms butting up on the community.

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The ridge itself used to be part of a pasture

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until the nineteen fifties when it got turned into this

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research area. There were stone piles along the edge of

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a bluff and out of California at that time was

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coming a lot of interesting research and reports of bigfoots

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using those stone piles as places where they would hunt

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the rock squirrels, the little ground squirrels that lived there,

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and that ties in with my own stories of them

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rabbit hunting in the region, and I thought, well, that'd

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be a cool thing to take pictures of, so I

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was looking to do that. So I hiked up the

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switch back and took off to the right into the denser,

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icier areas. Because up on the top it had not

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thought to get to the rock piles and take some pictures.

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There are no tracks where I'm at. Initially there were

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some deer in turkey, and some fox and a couple

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of raccoons, the normal things that you see up there,

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but there was no larger creature tracks, and so I

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was breaking the ice, and I got maybe a half

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mile before it became impossible to go forward. I was

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literally taking the heel of my boots and hitting with

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as much strength as I could to crack the ice

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to create something safe to step on, and I couldn't

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do it. I got to the point where it was impossible,

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and so I shot a little bit of a video

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there and I said, William, if my two hundred and

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sixty five pound backs I cannot break this ice, I

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can't go forward, and I'm not too concerned about what's

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beyond here. I'm going to head back. And so then

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I hiked right back down the trail and I thought, well,

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let's go down to the wildlife management area. That'll be fine.

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Haven't been down there before. It'll be nice to rattle

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around there. So I started going southward. That was a

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big mistake. Very quickly I discovered that our clay and

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loam soil was frozen about two inches underneath. So I

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had two inches of sticky, slippery, disgusting, slobbery mess on

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a downhill on top of ice. So I got about

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as far as the trail juncture and was like, oh,

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I can't do this either. So I decided to head

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home and I started hiking back up to and as

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I was coming up to the trailhead, I noticed often

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the distance that I could hear ice crunching, like maybe

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something had fallen. I heard a crunch, crunch, crunch, and

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I thought, oh, okay, somebody else must be up here,

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and so I started looking around. I can't see anything.

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Understand that everything is packed down with ice and snow,

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and there are a few pine trees, but for the

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most part, I've got a clear field of view. So

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I'm figuring maybe the sound is coming from down somewhere below,

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and so I'm turning around. I'm trying to orient my hearing.

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It is one hundred percent coming from north of me.

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It is on the more left side of the ridge

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from me, and that is where the opposite side of

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the trail comes down. But it's not as far down

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as that trail. It's I mean, I didn't know at

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the time. I hadn't been down that trail, but I

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thought it was coming down that particular trail maybe at

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this point five hundred yards roughly. And so I continued

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walking forward, listening, trying to see the person that I

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figured was maybe snowshilling up there, which I thought was weird.

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But there there is a ranger station nearby, and it

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could have been a ranger out doing a walk through.

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You know, there's a million different reasons why another person

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could be there. But I get all the way up

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to the trailhead and I should be able to see

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this person by now. They have to be within about

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fifty yards of me, and I'm still hearing them crunch, crunch, crunch,

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slowly coming closer. They're not there. I don't see them.

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I don't know what's going on. I'm figuring this is

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the best camouflage.

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Ever big for society, who will be right back after

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these messages.

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So I stand there listening to this, and I quietly

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turn my camera back on and I put it up

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on my shoulder, very slowly sink down into a crouch,

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and as I'm recording this, I very quietly whisper, William,

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I don't know if you can hear this, but something

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is walking towards me and I can't see it, and

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it takes a couple more steps and stops. Now at

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this point, I have a direct line of sight to

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that sound. I know where it's coming from It is literally, well,

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you can't see where my car is from this window,

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but it is with an eyeshot of me, I can

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absolutely get a bull's eye on it with my arrow.

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I know where this is. I can hit it with

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a rock. I can't see it, and I'm like, what

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in the heck is in front of me? At which

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point on my left, in some brush of some dried

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up cane, I hear something make this weird cough sound.

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It goes and I look at it, like what the

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heck and I'm looking for a gray fox or something.

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When something responds from a dead fall on the other

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side of the meadow up ahead of me, and this

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is about thirty feet to my right and goes, and

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I'm like, nope, I'm done. I'm flanked. And I said,

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I'm flanked. I'm out of here. I stood up quickly,

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spun the camera around so it was recording my back

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and I took off down the switchback, and I was like, Okay,

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I'm definitely coming back to figure this out, but today

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is not the day. I sent the tape to William

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After reviewing it. You know, you could hear something, but

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in the entirety of it you can see nothing. There's

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nothing on that tape. He didn't see anything either, so

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he said just keep him posted on it. And this

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was outside of his comfort area because, like me, he

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believed these were flesh and blood creatures, So how does

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it not be in front of me. I still believe

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it's fresh and blood. I just think that there's more

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to it than we're giving it credit for. But that

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started a regular visitation to that location for the next

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five or six years, and I would go at least

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twice week. Then after that gas price is shot up.

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It's a fairly long trip from where I live, so

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for me it became easier to go maybe once a

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month or a couple times a year. A few years

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before COVID, I was only going again a couple times

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a year. From the COVID I did not go, and

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then I started going basically I think in two actually

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it was COVID around twenty twenty one, I started going

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once a year or you know. At this point, I'm

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about three or four times a year. I'm planning on

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going a lot more this year, and I've already been

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up a couple of times this year. I'm probably going

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to go next weekend if I don't go tomorrow. But

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the interesting thing that I have learned from this, and

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I've seen this with other researchers as well, is some

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of this stick art that I see in Bigfoot Alley

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is identical to stick art that's coming out of the Carolinas, Tennessee,

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Northern Virginia, Ohio. Just it's identical. And if this is

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random branches falling, how do they fall in the exact

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same pattern over and over again in so many different places.

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You know, my area, the Ridgetop had a wildfire several

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years ago. It did minimal damage, but I did notice

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when I started going back more regularly that the behavior

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is very different now. Pre COVID, there could be a

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regular interactions with some of them. I wouldn't see them,

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but they would knock pattern or one of them would

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knock patterns with me. But post COVID, that doesn't happen.

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During the COVID years, they allowed the area to be

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used for people that are interested in exercise, so we

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have a lot of trail runners that go out there.

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It is almost impossible to go out there now and

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not encounter a trail runner. And these stick figures in

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the woods are much smaller now. They're not made with

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as large a branch or a tree. They're made lighter

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weight and more open. And I tell my friends, I

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think it's like they're whispering. They're still there. They're still

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in the same areas. So the weird asterisk design instead

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of being made out of full trees and wedged between

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a couple of trees in this spot and this spot

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is made with small branches and it's lower to the ground,

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and it's made also in that scene area the same quadrants.

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And I don't know what it means, but it's still there. Anyway,

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I've rattled on me, give me some questions.

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Ask me someone absolutely it man, some weird start the

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beginning here. Yeah, I know this is just the beginning.

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So can you tell me more about you mentioned uh

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knocking patterns and that you were back and forth. Yeah,

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can you share a little bit about that.

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Okay, So Knocker, I don't know if Knocker is still

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out there or not. I think Knocker's female. I don't

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know why I get that impression, but I refer to

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Knocker as a herb. Okay, so Knocker is interesting. When

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you go up Big Fidale right before the switchback to

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get up on the bluff, you make a sharp write

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and start the switchbacks. So at that point I would

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often stop, you know, just for a moment to listen.

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It's very important if you're spending time in the woods

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to spend time and listen because the things that live

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in the wood will tell you everything. They will tell

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you everything that's going on. Blue jays are your best friends.

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So I often will stop at familiar spots just for

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orientation and to listen. And so this particular spot, you know,

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it's kind of secluded, there's not much happening there. There's

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a few big boulders. So I decided one day I

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was going to take one of these rocks and I

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was going to try to do tree knocking. Because when

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I tried whacking the trees, it doesn't make a lot

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of sound, doesn't sound right. And try the rocks. And

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when I say it doesn't sound right, it's because the

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bigfoot knock sound. Sometimes it sounds like they're using branches

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and trees. Sometimes it sounds exactly the same, like maybe

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they're doing a lip pop or clicking their tongue on

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the roof of their mouth or something. Because it's the

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same sound. So I started with this thing where I

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would knock and off in the distance, like I can't

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remember if at first it was like this or not,

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but I would knock and I would get a response.

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And this later became such a regular thing to do

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it from this spot and get a response from something,

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that this something, which I call knocker, would actually start

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responding wherever it was that it hurt it and would

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respond like I would tap tap, tap and it would knock, knock, knock,

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And then I would tap tap tap and it would knock, knock,

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knock from closer, and I could tell where it was

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coming from. And it was that quickly that we were

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responding until it was within, you know, fifty yards of me,

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and it was always where I couldn't see it behind

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some brush, and it drove me crazy because it would

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get so tantalizingly close, and I felt like I was

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breaking protocol if I left my position and went down

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to where it was at. I wanted to, but I

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did not want to scare this thing. I wanted it

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to make the first move, And so that's the spot

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that I will leave treats at or whatever. But it

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started out with just the little knock, knock, knock, and

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then a random response. Then it started with the knocking

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getting closer when it was responding. And as I've just said,

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it will come from a distance. Normally it comes from

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an area that is in a wildlife management property. I mean,

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this whole thing is restricted. You can't hunt here, you

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can't collect plants here, you can't take up the rocks here,

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and that's why there's rangers in the area. It really

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is restricted use. So this isn't a person, and it

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could move at least once. I was certain that the

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location that it was knocking a response to me from

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started a half a mile away. It covered that area

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in about thirty seconds to respond to me close up.

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And it had done that from distances often enough that

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I know this thing was fast. This was happening anywhere

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from seven or eight o'clock in the morning until six

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or seven even eight o'clock at night. You can't be

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in this location after sundown. That's another restriction. So I

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was having daylight, regular encounters any day of the week,

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anytime of the week, I could get knock or to come.

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At one point in time, there were some researchers from

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the New River Valley group that I was talking to,

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they came and joined, so it was me and four

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other people and they were having the time their life

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because Knocker came. And Knocker was very quiet when it

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got with in visual range of our group because obviously

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there's four people. That's not what it's expecting. So I

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made it a point to, you know, put my hand

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on every person that was there and hand them a

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bottle of water, which to me was a way of saying,

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I'm taking care of these people. And then when I

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would do my taps, it would tap back, but it

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was hesitant at first, and at first it didn't want

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to tap a response to the people, you know, the

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other guy when he was tapping, but then it started

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responding to him, and he just was losing it because

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it was responding and he wanted to run down there,

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and of course he did try to go down there

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at one point and it stopped responding. So it was like, okay,

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well that's the end of the fun today. But basically

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the game that we would play, I started knocking patterns

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like tap tap tap or tap tap tap tap tap tap,

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and it would respond with them, though it would take

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longer gaps between the responses. I found that anything over

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three or sorry, anything over four taps three, you know,

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three times, it couldn't follow it. So like, if I

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did tap tap tap tap tap, tap tap tap tap,

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it could follow it. If I did tap tap tap

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tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap, it

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could only do the three. If I did tap tap

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tap tap, it could only respond tap tap tap. And

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it's like, I don't know why. I don't know why

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that four was the cutting off point, but that was

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where we went, so I don't think they can go

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beyond four. Sorry, I'm trying to rush my thoughts here

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on it. But we did that for many years until

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I stopped going up there. I was having a lot

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of health comps cations, and again the cost was getting exorbitant.

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William was caught up with some of the stuff that

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he was doing in he know, I just really didn't

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have anybody to share this with, and so I was like, well,

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I'll just keep my notes and I'll keep visiting off

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and on. And I have not encountered knockers since I've

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been back, but you know, I'm trying. I still go

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down there. I still knock and I'm hopeful that maybe

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at some point she turns back up between the fire

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and the fact that there's eighty million people showing up. Now,

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she may not be as willing to come and respond.

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But you know, that was kind of fun, and I

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hope that I'll be able to start doing that again

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at some point.

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It's always fascinating when you have interactions back and forth,

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and that's a great example of that. What first made

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you think that whatever you know, you're you're interacting with Knocker.

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Was there something that made you think that Knocker was

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a female?

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No, I have no idea why I get that feeling.

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I've learned to trust my instincts. That's part of my

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growing up with a ghost in the house. I've learned

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to trust that. And I feel like that's the female

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and the ones the little rock chuckers up on the

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top that irritate the daylights out of me. They're they're

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up on the ridge. I tend to think of those

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as juvenile males because they behave like juvenile men. Sorry

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I hate to say it, but it's true. These guys.

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You'll be down on Bigfoot Alley and they'll be tossing

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rocks down at you, and the whole point of it,

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I think, is to make you look. They're not trying

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to drive you away. I think they're like, it's their

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equivalent of going, hey, hey, look over here. Hey, because

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it's little rocks. I mean, that's not scary. If they

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wanted to scare me, they throw a big rock, they

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wanted to scare me, they'd make a threat display. There's

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absolutely no threatening vibe on this. There's no reason for

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rocks to randomly be coming off of that bluff and landing,

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you know, in the leaves on the way towards me

453
00:29:24.279 --> 00:29:28.200
and always within range of me. That doesn't make any

454
00:29:28.240 --> 00:29:31.400
sense whatsoever unless there is something up there that is

455
00:29:31.400 --> 00:29:36.680
happily just tossing peanuts. So you know, I think of

456
00:29:36.720 --> 00:29:40.279
those as being the boys, right, being obnoxious little teenagers,

457
00:29:40.559 --> 00:29:42.400
and I will pick up rocks and throw them back

458
00:29:42.440 --> 00:29:45.720
at them. Hey you do, And I'll keep doing whatever

459
00:29:45.759 --> 00:29:46.680
it is I'm doing.

460
00:29:47.000 --> 00:29:50.319
Big for society who will be right back after these messages.

461
00:30:05.759 --> 00:30:08.480
Because you know, it's like, yes, you're annoying, here's a rock,

462
00:30:08.599 --> 00:30:11.759
Now go play with your brother. And what I'm doing,

463
00:30:11.799 --> 00:30:14.680
of course, is as I told you, I'm I'm observing

464
00:30:15.000 --> 00:30:20.559
things like the way that they're bending these trees and

465
00:30:20.680 --> 00:30:24.680
what appears to be rudimentary mushroom farming that's going on

466
00:30:24.759 --> 00:30:29.319
right now. You know, I also see where they've hollowed

467
00:30:29.359 --> 00:30:33.319
pathways or something. I can't say it's one hundred percent them,

468
00:30:33.720 --> 00:30:40.000
but something has carved large, wide pathways underneath the You

469
00:30:40.079 --> 00:30:44.200
might call it greenbriar or catbriar, but it's a smilex.

470
00:30:44.279 --> 00:30:52.680
It's a very nasty, thorny plant, gorgeous vines, heavy thorns,

471
00:30:53.599 --> 00:30:59.240
natural bob wire. The stuff is edible. It was part

472
00:30:59.279 --> 00:31:03.799
of my survival training growing up. And the berries get

473
00:31:03.839 --> 00:31:07.720
sweeter after the winter when it starts to get nice

474
00:31:07.720 --> 00:31:14.480
and cold. But they're very popular with birds. They're a

475
00:31:14.519 --> 00:31:17.880
good winter forage. They're not something I'm going to go

476
00:31:18.039 --> 00:31:22.039
charge in there to collect and eat. You know, people

477
00:31:22.039 --> 00:31:25.640
talk about rose hips being a great winter food. Rose

478
00:31:25.720 --> 00:31:30.319
hips can be, but by January they're a slimy mess,

479
00:31:30.359 --> 00:31:32.680
and most of what you get is the nasty, sharp

480
00:31:32.720 --> 00:31:37.440
little fibers that are in there. So rose hips, in

481
00:31:37.519 --> 00:31:39.519
my opinion, are more hassle than they are to eat.

482
00:31:39.559 --> 00:31:42.319
But I don't know what a bigfoot's mouth's like, so

483
00:31:42.720 --> 00:31:44.920
I can't really tell you whether or not that's a problem.

484
00:31:46.079 --> 00:31:48.640
It is an edible, it is calories. And when you

485
00:31:48.799 --> 00:31:52.039
research big foot, you have to remember that it's not

486
00:31:52.240 --> 00:31:56.599
going to go to McDonald's. That they will eat things

487
00:31:56.640 --> 00:32:02.160
that we normally would go eat. God no, And you

488
00:32:02.200 --> 00:32:04.759
know we've heard plenty of stories of them eating carcasses.

489
00:32:07.079 --> 00:32:11.680
I know of their hunting technique from research to be

490
00:32:12.119 --> 00:32:16.839
an ambush predator. So they will stay perfectly still, low

491
00:32:16.880 --> 00:32:20.039
to the ground, very comfortable, until what they're looking for

492
00:32:20.200 --> 00:32:25.160
moves near them, and then they'll snatch it. And that

493
00:32:25.200 --> 00:32:30.000
tends to be rabbits, squirrels. It explains why I have

494
00:32:30.119 --> 00:32:35.759
found piled up tiny berries on rocks. That was one

495
00:32:35.799 --> 00:32:37.480
thing I could never figure out. In one of the

496
00:32:37.519 --> 00:32:41.880
sites that I went to for William was a boatload

497
00:32:42.559 --> 00:32:48.680
of sorry, I had to find the common name blackgum

498
00:32:48.720 --> 00:32:52.960
tree nessa slovetica. I was finding the salvettica berries on

499
00:32:53.119 --> 00:32:57.440
top of a rock in a pile, and nothing this

500
00:32:57.480 --> 00:33:01.680
side of the Mississippi does that pack will do something similar,

501
00:33:01.720 --> 00:33:03.359
but they're not going to leave them in a pile

502
00:33:04.200 --> 00:33:07.720
out in the open. And yet on this site that

503
00:33:07.799 --> 00:33:11.279
I was researching, there was a pile and it was

504
00:33:11.400 --> 00:33:18.279
near some rhododendron, and having seen this in other places

505
00:33:18.359 --> 00:33:22.359
now I'm like, huh, that would make sense if you're

506
00:33:22.400 --> 00:33:27.440
trying to catch a squirrel, a rabbit or birds, because

507
00:33:27.480 --> 00:33:30.799
if you were nearby and camouflage, say under the leaves

508
00:33:31.880 --> 00:33:36.599
or underneath the smile x, or you know, a host

509
00:33:36.640 --> 00:33:39.839
of other different ways blended into your environment. You have

510
00:33:39.880 --> 00:33:42.119
to understand these guys are in a natural Gillie suit,

511
00:33:42.640 --> 00:33:46.480
so they're constantly camouflage. It would be a perfect thing

512
00:33:46.559 --> 00:33:49.279
to do was to leave this in an open location.

513
00:33:50.160 --> 00:33:52.160
Something lands to eat it, and you can just snatch

514
00:33:52.160 --> 00:33:55.400
it and stuff it in your mouth, so whole bird

515
00:33:55.480 --> 00:33:59.200
goes right up in there. That makes sense to me,

516
00:34:00.079 --> 00:34:04.079
makes perfect sense when you think about it. The predilection

517
00:34:04.160 --> 00:34:05.960
for my guys for hanging out on a bluff makes

518
00:34:05.960 --> 00:34:08.079
perfect sense too, because they would use it like a

519
00:34:08.119 --> 00:34:12.599
chug water run the game that's a rock structure out

520
00:34:12.599 --> 00:34:15.000
west as a ramp on one side and a bluff

521
00:34:15.039 --> 00:34:18.079
on the other like a cliff. You basically run things

522
00:34:18.400 --> 00:34:22.199
off of the pastures up on the top off the edge.

523
00:34:22.320 --> 00:34:25.199
The deer will jump and then break their legs when

524
00:34:25.239 --> 00:34:28.760
they land. Halfway between the bluff and Bigfoot alley and

525
00:34:28.800 --> 00:34:30.559
then you just go pick up the deer and eat it.

526
00:34:31.400 --> 00:34:36.559
So it fits with hunting technique. So I'm like, okay, okay,

527
00:34:36.599 --> 00:34:40.760
this makes sense. And these carved out areas underneath the brier,

528
00:34:41.840 --> 00:34:44.239
you can sit there. Nobody's going to see you in

529
00:34:44.280 --> 00:34:47.559
the summertime because it's so incredibly dense. It's a green wall.

530
00:34:48.639 --> 00:34:50.639
You can just lay down there, because I think they

531
00:34:50.639 --> 00:34:53.880
spend a lot more time moving on all fours than upright.

532
00:34:54.559 --> 00:34:58.679
It's more calorie efficient to move on all fours, and

533
00:34:58.719 --> 00:35:01.199
I think they're under there. I think they're happily eating

534
00:35:01.719 --> 00:35:04.559
the leaves and the shoots, which are the sweet parts,

535
00:35:05.039 --> 00:35:08.519
so parts that I collect and eat, getting the berries

536
00:35:08.559 --> 00:35:10.679
when they want to, waiting for the birds to come

537
00:35:10.719 --> 00:35:14.000
into the tangle to get the berries, and grabbing a bird,

538
00:35:14.280 --> 00:35:15.880
you know, pop a little bow jangles right up in

539
00:35:15.920 --> 00:35:21.159
there and they're fine, so it's easy eats. So that's

540
00:35:21.199 --> 00:35:23.239
what I think is going on in some of these areas,

541
00:35:23.519 --> 00:35:28.519
and so I'm documenting those and I'm watching them. I'm

542
00:35:28.519 --> 00:35:31.760
planning when the weather gets a little bit warmer to

543
00:35:32.079 --> 00:35:36.440
start going down into these little tunnels and looking seeing

544
00:35:36.480 --> 00:35:39.000
if I can find hairs, because if they're going to

545
00:35:39.039 --> 00:35:41.320
get hairs anywhere. It's going to be caught in those briers,

546
00:35:42.400 --> 00:35:45.119
and so my goal this year is some hair collecting.

547
00:35:46.960 --> 00:35:50.880
That's awesome. I think that's a great way to take

548
00:35:50.920 --> 00:35:54.760
the research forward, or to attempt to have you talked

549
00:35:54.760 --> 00:35:57.719
to any of the rangers in this area about any

550
00:35:57.800 --> 00:36:01.480
of your research over the years. Are similar things.

551
00:36:02.320 --> 00:36:05.039
No, No, that's kind of one of those things where

552
00:36:05.559 --> 00:36:07.760
you don't want to be like, that's the field that

553
00:36:07.800 --> 00:36:10.800
I overlap with and one that I will occasionally work

554
00:36:10.880 --> 00:36:13.840
with and one that I wanted to get on with

555
00:36:14.719 --> 00:36:18.119
in my younger years, and you kind of don't want

556
00:36:18.119 --> 00:36:24.039
to weird your potential employer out completely. So it's not

557
00:36:24.320 --> 00:36:28.239
something that I commonly discuss with them. Folks that i'm

558
00:36:28.239 --> 00:36:32.199
friends with i'll talk to, but no locally with the rangers.

559
00:36:34.000 --> 00:36:37.039
You know, I'm in my fifties, so a lot of

560
00:36:37.039 --> 00:36:40.119
the people that I know have passed, and I don't

561
00:36:40.119 --> 00:36:44.679
really know too many of the new guys. But you know,

562
00:36:44.760 --> 00:36:47.000
if I run across them, I'll probably grill them because

563
00:36:47.000 --> 00:36:50.039
I'm weird that way, and I've decided at my age,

564
00:36:50.039 --> 00:36:52.199
I don't care who knows exactly.

565
00:36:52.760 --> 00:36:57.840
I can totally understand that have there been any reported

566
00:36:58.880 --> 00:37:02.519
or maybe just you've heard visual sightings in this area

567
00:37:02.559 --> 00:37:03.159
of bigfoot.

568
00:37:03.639 --> 00:37:08.119
Yes, yes, some of the reports that came in on

569
00:37:08.719 --> 00:37:13.239
the Vabro site were in that area. I'm not going

570
00:37:13.320 --> 00:37:17.920
to name it because I don't want problems. And I

571
00:37:18.000 --> 00:37:21.719
come from the era when there was a very very

572
00:37:21.840 --> 00:37:24.559
very very large bounty on alive well not a live,

573
00:37:24.599 --> 00:37:27.239
but a dead bigfoot, and it became a big thing

574
00:37:27.239 --> 00:37:29.320
to try to hunt a big foot, a bigfoot and

575
00:37:29.400 --> 00:37:34.239
kill it. So William was having regular problems with people

576
00:37:34.599 --> 00:37:38.960
figuring out where sites were and cruising them. There were

577
00:37:38.960 --> 00:37:41.480
problems with people with guns in the woods. I like

578
00:37:41.599 --> 00:37:43.840
to be able to hike where I'm at and not

579
00:37:43.880 --> 00:37:46.639
be afraid of some idiot with a gun. I also

580
00:37:46.679 --> 00:37:51.079
don't want to be followed, so for me, having a

581
00:37:51.119 --> 00:37:53.880
peaceful time in the woods means I keep my areas quiet.

582
00:37:55.360 --> 00:38:00.519
But yeah, these there have been documented reports on regular

583
00:38:00.559 --> 00:38:13.679
websites about sightings within five or ten miles of this location.

584
00:38:15.320 --> 00:38:17.760
And the sighting one of them that.

585
00:38:17.840 --> 00:38:21.920
Was the closest that someone was very upset because there

586
00:38:22.000 --> 00:38:24.719
was something that was huge. It had they'd figured out

587
00:38:24.719 --> 00:38:27.119
it was at least eight feet tall. It looked like

588
00:38:27.159 --> 00:38:31.320
a person. It was coming to the wood edge about

589
00:38:31.320 --> 00:38:33.639
a half an acre away or sorry, about an acre

590
00:38:33.679 --> 00:38:38.960
away from her house on their property, and it was

591
00:38:39.039 --> 00:38:42.519
just standing at the wood edge and kind of bobbing

592
00:38:42.599 --> 00:38:48.239
back and forth slowly watching them. And her boyfriend had

593
00:38:48.239 --> 00:38:51.320
gone out a couple times and shot at it, and

594
00:38:51.360 --> 00:38:53.519
they didn't know what it was, and they were having

595
00:38:53.679 --> 00:38:55.639
quite the freak out over it, and then it just stopped.

596
00:38:56.880 --> 00:38:58.599
You know, it'll do it for like a couple weeks

597
00:38:58.639 --> 00:39:02.760
at a time, and then it stops. There have been

598
00:39:04.639 --> 00:39:07.960
within an hour of that location, there have been hundreds

599
00:39:07.960 --> 00:39:11.760
of reports. I mean we got I am two hours

600
00:39:11.800 --> 00:39:15.280
away from Norton, which is it's got a big foot

601
00:39:15.280 --> 00:39:21.719
wildlife reserve, you know said wildlife sanctuary for bigfoot. Where

602
00:39:22.719 --> 00:39:24.639
the job that I worked, which is a forty five

603
00:39:24.639 --> 00:39:30.840
minute drive, I had a lady who gave me, without

604
00:39:30.920 --> 00:39:34.199
even asking about it, told me about the wood booger

605
00:39:34.199 --> 00:39:37.960
that would come and knock on our house. A lot

606
00:39:38.000 --> 00:39:40.199
of folks will call them wood boogers in that area.

607
00:39:41.360 --> 00:39:45.559
Closer to me in Bedford, which overlaps part of that area,

608
00:39:46.400 --> 00:39:48.920
we have a lot of reports. We have some scary

609
00:39:48.960 --> 00:39:53.360
reports that come out of Bedford. The report that I

610
00:39:53.360 --> 00:39:59.440
had given William initially is only thirty minutes from the site.

611
00:39:59.719 --> 00:40:03.159
So so you know, we have plenty of reports in

612
00:40:03.199 --> 00:40:06.199
this area. It's just this is the East Coast, and

613
00:40:06.280 --> 00:40:10.960
even though we now have an East Coast Bigfoot Society

614
00:40:11.039 --> 00:40:14.400
and everything else, people just don't want to acknowledge that

615
00:40:14.440 --> 00:40:18.519
it's here. And I mean, I understand why. I understand

616
00:40:18.599 --> 00:40:21.039
legally why they don't want to acknowledge its existence. It's

617
00:40:21.039 --> 00:40:23.199
the same reason they don't want to acknowledge the existence

618
00:40:24.199 --> 00:40:30.960
of relic populations of wolves and small populations of cougars

619
00:40:31.079 --> 00:40:35.239
that are in the area. You know, it's because it

620
00:40:35.320 --> 00:40:37.679
changes the land use and you end up with new

621
00:40:37.719 --> 00:40:44.519
regulations and it steeply affects how you can do businesses,

622
00:40:44.960 --> 00:40:49.400
housing and tourism. And so because of that, you really

623
00:40:49.559 --> 00:40:54.519
can't admit to the existence of something that has federal

624
00:40:54.559 --> 00:40:59.840
regulations on it until you have absolute, undeniable, irrefutable proof

625
00:41:00.159 --> 00:41:04.760
that it's there. And in the case of cougars, the

626
00:41:04.800 --> 00:41:07.719
mountain lions that we have, they don't want to admit

627
00:41:07.760 --> 00:41:12.039
it because of that, and the basically the population that's

628
00:41:12.079 --> 00:41:15.320
being observed is not large enough to be considered a

629
00:41:15.400 --> 00:41:20.719
viable population. The inbreeding alone would take it out, so

630
00:41:22.159 --> 00:41:26.000
it's considered transient and not a concern. Same holds true

631
00:41:26.079 --> 00:41:28.599
for the few gray wolves that we have in a

632
00:41:28.599 --> 00:41:32.119
couple of locations. We now have such a large influx

633
00:41:32.440 --> 00:41:37.880
of Eastern coyote to the region, which is a domestic

634
00:41:37.920 --> 00:41:45.079
dog coyote and northern gray wolf hybrid, that what little

635
00:41:45.079 --> 00:41:49.159
population we have of wolf will probably be completely consumed

636
00:41:50.440 --> 00:41:54.400
in the gray in the eastern coyote population within the

637
00:41:54.440 --> 00:41:57.559
next twenty years. There's not enough left to stay to

638
00:41:57.639 --> 00:42:04.719
keep it, you know, cure and sustainable. So even though

639
00:42:04.719 --> 00:42:08.800
we've got bigfoot here, a lot of researchers have been

640
00:42:08.880 --> 00:42:12.599
reluctant to admit it because it's too far away, even

641
00:42:12.639 --> 00:42:17.440
though we have historical pre settlement area or era recordings

642
00:42:17.480 --> 00:42:20.880
of them. They're like, no, no, no, that can't be real.

643
00:42:21.480 --> 00:42:25.239
And yeah, they're here, they're here, And most folks just

644
00:42:25.239 --> 00:42:27.000
call them, you know, a wood booger or a hairy

645
00:42:27.000 --> 00:42:31.239
person and ignore it because you know why, it's just

646
00:42:31.239 --> 00:42:32.000
an airy person.

647
00:42:33.800 --> 00:42:38.719
It makes it, uh, maybe a little bit nicer to

648
00:42:38.719 --> 00:42:41.320
try to understand in your mind. I guess if you

649
00:42:41.360 --> 00:42:46.400
were to say that, I mean that's Virginia does have

650
00:42:46.440 --> 00:42:48.599
some really wild stuff in it. It doesn't come up

651
00:42:48.599 --> 00:42:51.079
a lot on the show, but I'm glad when it

652
00:42:51.559 --> 00:42:55.480
when it does. This area that you've been focusing on

653
00:42:56.239 --> 00:42:59.440
we've talked about, Knox. Are there any times when you've

654
00:42:59.519 --> 00:43:04.320
noticed what could be considered like mimicked noises anything like that.

655
00:43:09.920 --> 00:43:13.880
The closest thing to a vocalization that I have heard

656
00:43:16.559 --> 00:43:20.639
in mimicry was the last when I decided that it

657
00:43:20.760 --> 00:43:24.400
was going to be my last for about for a while.

658
00:43:25.559 --> 00:43:31.039
And this was back in the twenty teens, probably around

659
00:43:31.079 --> 00:43:40.800
twenty either twenty oh nine or twenty eleven. I sat

660
00:43:40.920 --> 00:43:45.800
up there and for about an hour I played my flute.

661
00:43:45.800 --> 00:43:47.840
I have a Native American flute, and I just played.

662
00:43:49.119 --> 00:43:57.199
And when I stopped playing, something made a sound about

663
00:43:59.079 --> 00:44:01.320
I don't know. They were fairly close to me. I

664
00:44:01.400 --> 00:44:04.400
was sitting up at the juncture between the upper and

665
00:44:04.440 --> 00:44:06.880
lower trails, right above the wildlife area. So I was

666
00:44:06.880 --> 00:44:11.639
sitting on the rocks playing and this was from down

667
00:44:11.679 --> 00:44:15.599
below me in the woods and down where I couldn't see,

668
00:44:15.679 --> 00:44:18.000
so maybe thirty to forty feet and it just kind

669
00:44:18.000 --> 00:44:24.840
of made this sound, and I was like, what in

670
00:44:24.920 --> 00:44:28.719
the heck because it wasn't a tree. You know, the

671
00:44:28.760 --> 00:44:32.519
wind wasn't blowing. It was a beautiful summer day, and

672
00:44:32.599 --> 00:44:36.599
that's not a normal animal noise. But as far as

673
00:44:36.639 --> 00:44:41.480
mimicking me, I'm not out there talking, so you know,

674
00:44:41.559 --> 00:44:45.559
I'm not whistling. I'm not doing any of the things

675
00:44:45.559 --> 00:44:50.920
that normally elicit responses. As far as people, most of

676
00:44:50.960 --> 00:44:53.679
the people that I see up there are jogging, so

677
00:44:53.719 --> 00:44:57.079
they're not whistling, talking or doing whatever. When I go

678
00:44:57.199 --> 00:44:59.559
up there with a couple of my friends and we're talking,

679
00:45:01.360 --> 00:45:02.920
I have not heard anything.

680
00:45:03.280 --> 00:45:06.679
Big for society who will be right back after these messages.

681
00:45:22.440 --> 00:45:28.559
Mimicking us. So I've not had that experience there. I'm

682
00:45:28.559 --> 00:45:31.159
not saying that they don't, because I'm darn sure they do.

683
00:45:32.679 --> 00:45:34.840
Mary Green was a friend of mine for many years.

684
00:45:34.880 --> 00:45:40.639
She was a hardcore researcher, and she talked about not

685
00:45:40.760 --> 00:45:46.079
only the mimicry, but their ability to use language, and

686
00:45:46.519 --> 00:45:50.599
a chunk of research coming out of the Pacific Northwest

687
00:45:51.199 --> 00:45:55.599
in settlement era involved the Bigfoot using one of the

688
00:45:55.639 --> 00:46:01.840
trade languages, and you know, some very interesting encounters involving

689
00:46:01.880 --> 00:46:05.840
Bigfoot and trade language. So they can learn it and

690
00:46:05.880 --> 00:46:11.480
they can mimic it. I don't know why everybody is

691
00:46:11.519 --> 00:46:17.719
so hardcore that they can't. I mean, I had known

692
00:46:17.840 --> 00:46:22.159
cats that have mimicked people. If you've ever had a husky,

693
00:46:22.239 --> 00:46:25.159
you know they will mimic people. They don't have the

694
00:46:25.239 --> 00:46:28.840
vocal structure to mimic a human. Dolphins will do it.

695
00:46:29.119 --> 00:46:33.239
They don't have the vocal structure, you know, parrots and

696
00:46:33.320 --> 00:46:36.519
all the rest of them. Nonwithstanding, if all these other

697
00:46:36.559 --> 00:46:40.159
animals can find a way to do it, why are

698
00:46:40.199 --> 00:46:43.639
we biased to say that a bigfoot cannot. We've got

699
00:46:43.800 --> 00:46:47.199
documentation that says they do. It means you have to

700
00:46:47.239 --> 00:46:51.039
spend time with them. It means you have to try

701
00:46:51.079 --> 00:46:53.719
to teach them the language or they have to hear

702
00:46:53.760 --> 00:47:00.280
it regularly, but they'll learn it. So yeah, I haven't

703
00:47:00.280 --> 00:47:02.960
experienced it myself, but I have no doubt that it

704
00:47:03.000 --> 00:47:06.199
is perfectly possible and perfectly within the range of their abilities.

705
00:47:07.519 --> 00:47:10.239
No, I mean, I agree with you. I don't see

706
00:47:10.280 --> 00:47:13.199
why people is like, that's the hill I'm going to

707
00:47:13.320 --> 00:47:16.199
die on, is that they can't have language, because dude,

708
00:47:16.280 --> 00:47:21.079
it's being captured right now in Oregon. Like I am

709
00:47:21.119 --> 00:47:24.840
involved with an area where it has been captured multiple

710
00:47:24.920 --> 00:47:29.039
times outside of Oakridge. It's like it's not crazy, like

711
00:47:29.159 --> 00:47:31.519
it is not. I don't think it's crazy to go

712
00:47:31.559 --> 00:47:32.400
down that road, but.

713
00:47:33.440 --> 00:47:35.960
Right, I mean the one the report that I'm most

714
00:47:36.039 --> 00:47:40.840
fond of that was out of the Pacific Northwest. This

715
00:47:41.920 --> 00:47:46.960
uh trapper trapp or trader thought that, you know, he

716
00:47:47.039 --> 00:47:50.039
saw this human, a little native boy and a bigfoot

717
00:47:50.159 --> 00:47:55.239
traveling together all the time and doing stuff, and when

718
00:47:55.440 --> 00:47:59.000
he would come around, it would hide the boy inside

719
00:47:59.039 --> 00:48:02.679
a tree, and so he managed to lead it off

720
00:48:02.719 --> 00:48:04.639
one time have it follow him and went back to

721
00:48:04.679 --> 00:48:07.920
rescue the boy, and the kid, you know, was only

722
00:48:07.920 --> 00:48:10.920
speaking I guess his native language. I think it was

723
00:48:10.960 --> 00:48:13.440
clean cat, but I'm not sure. And he grabbed the

724
00:48:13.519 --> 00:48:15.480
kid and got him in the boat because the bigfoot

725
00:48:15.480 --> 00:48:20.400
out there don't swim. They tend to bob, and so

726
00:48:20.440 --> 00:48:21.960
he got out in the water with it on the

727
00:48:22.000 --> 00:48:25.199
boat and was hauling the kid away, and the bigfoot

728
00:48:26.320 --> 00:48:30.320
came to the shore and was screaming at him in

729
00:48:30.639 --> 00:48:35.199
trade language and was yelling at him, return my friend,

730
00:48:35.239 --> 00:48:39.599
give me my friend. Where is my friend? And was

731
00:48:39.679 --> 00:48:42.800
yelling for his friend, and the boy kept trying to

732
00:48:42.800 --> 00:48:45.840
go back to him until he hauled the kid away,

733
00:48:46.320 --> 00:48:48.599
and he took the kid back with him to town

734
00:48:49.199 --> 00:48:51.320
to corroborate the story and the kid. I don't know

735
00:48:51.320 --> 00:48:53.079
if the bigfoot broke the kid out or the kid

736
00:48:53.119 --> 00:48:57.679
got away, but either way, that night, the kid got

737
00:48:57.719 --> 00:49:01.840
away from where he was being held, and so they

738
00:49:01.840 --> 00:49:05.840
assume they probably met back up. But I mean, it's

739
00:49:05.960 --> 00:49:08.880
very clearly yelling at him in a trade language, so

740
00:49:09.880 --> 00:49:13.679
it understood that the guy in the boat didn't speak

741
00:49:13.719 --> 00:49:16.599
the language that the kid spoke, and the kid was

742
00:49:16.639 --> 00:49:19.599
willingly hanging out with this bigfoot and running around with it.

743
00:49:20.800 --> 00:49:26.199
So either it was raising the kid or it was,

744
00:49:26.679 --> 00:49:29.239
you know, just friends with the kid, but either way,

745
00:49:29.280 --> 00:49:32.239
it was protective of him, you know, and it was

746
00:49:32.320 --> 00:49:35.119
referring to him as my friend, give me my friend.

747
00:49:36.199 --> 00:49:38.039
So if it can learn to say that in a

748
00:49:38.079 --> 00:49:40.679
trade language and identify that the person in the boat

749
00:49:41.000 --> 00:49:46.800
speaks trade language, it's absolutely ridiculous to think that the

750
00:49:46.840 --> 00:49:51.920
others can't learn it. And Mary, when we used to

751
00:49:51.960 --> 00:49:54.320
be we had a Friends of Bigfoot group and we

752
00:49:54.320 --> 00:49:59.239
were online talking all this stuff all the time. Several

753
00:49:59.320 --> 00:50:05.000
of the people talked about people from our region and

754
00:50:05.039 --> 00:50:07.400
the Bigfoot language, and the Bigfoot language was written down

755
00:50:08.239 --> 00:50:11.800
and they shared it in I guess a book, but

756
00:50:11.880 --> 00:50:16.559
it immediately got discounted because it was Cherokee. And I'm thinking, oh,

757
00:50:16.599 --> 00:50:19.400
for the love of Pete Moss, where do we live

758
00:50:19.519 --> 00:50:23.440
in Cherokee Territory? What's the common language in this section Cherokee?

759
00:50:24.760 --> 00:50:28.840
So why would they not be speaking Cherokee? Why would

760
00:50:28.840 --> 00:50:32.760
they not be using it? So I'm just you know,

761
00:50:32.880 --> 00:50:38.519
for me, I'm gobsmacked that they won't consider that data.

762
00:50:39.159 --> 00:50:42.440
And I understand why they don't. It's scary. It's terrifying

763
00:50:43.199 --> 00:50:47.400
to consider that there is something out there that chooses

764
00:50:47.400 --> 00:50:50.960
a simple life, chooses not to be a part of

765
00:50:51.000 --> 00:50:59.199
our society, chooses against modern everything, and isn't like us.

766
00:50:59.320 --> 00:51:01.440
I mean, we have this whole Uncanny Valley thing that

767
00:51:01.480 --> 00:51:05.599
we're terrified of where something that looks like us but

768
00:51:05.840 --> 00:51:09.239
isn't us is out there. And I mean that that's

769
00:51:09.400 --> 00:51:15.519
hardwired into us, from surviving to being the last known

770
00:51:16.559 --> 00:51:22.679
member of our species. You know, the other homos have

771
00:51:22.800 --> 00:51:27.559
all died out, you know, the Homo Devisonian's gone, the

772
00:51:27.559 --> 00:51:32.400
Homo Neanderthal's gone. We're it, so we think. But if

773
00:51:32.440 --> 00:51:36.119
there is a population of somebody that is, you know,

774
00:51:36.320 --> 00:51:38.679
in our family, in our branch of the family tree

775
00:51:38.719 --> 00:51:41.880
that is still out there. We're terrified of them. To

776
00:51:41.960 --> 00:51:44.199
think that they might be on part with us or

777
00:51:44.239 --> 00:51:48.159
superior in any way is simply too much for most

778
00:51:48.199 --> 00:51:51.760
people to conceive of. I mean, it's just too scary.

779
00:51:51.800 --> 00:51:55.559
It's too much of a paradigm shift in thinking. And

780
00:51:56.800 --> 00:52:00.280
I'm perfectly happy thinking that this is a physical being

781
00:52:01.400 --> 00:52:06.679
that you know, has these abilities and so on. But

782
00:52:06.719 --> 00:52:09.119
when I'm up there on top of the bluff and

783
00:52:09.199 --> 00:52:14.159
i can't see it, it's like, woo, no paradigm shift.

784
00:52:14.280 --> 00:52:16.519
This is outside of what I thought. I'm going to

785
00:52:16.599 --> 00:52:19.559
have to accept that. I have to throw everything I

786
00:52:19.599 --> 00:52:24.440
know out and start from scratch. You're more than we think,

787
00:52:25.559 --> 00:52:28.320
and that's that's where my brain is. My brain is

788
00:52:28.360 --> 00:52:31.559
this is This is a greater mystery then we can

789
00:52:31.559 --> 00:52:35.239
conceive of, and we have to accept it.

790
00:52:34.239 --> 00:52:39.679
It blows me away where at the end of the day,

791
00:52:41.239 --> 00:52:44.159
there's a portion of the community that this is going

792
00:52:44.199 --> 00:52:44.920
to just get me.

793
00:52:45.119 --> 00:52:48.280
Just go bring it on. I know where you're going.

794
00:52:48.320 --> 00:52:50.119
You're going to talk about the folks that will die

795
00:52:50.159 --> 00:52:50.639
on that hill.

796
00:52:51.239 --> 00:52:53.639
But here's the thing. It's like, Okay, we're in a

797
00:52:53.880 --> 00:52:58.239
subject such as bigfoot, and yet you're like not going

798
00:52:58.320 --> 00:53:01.599
to look at all the things that are being said,

799
00:53:01.639 --> 00:53:06.400
and you're like, no, I'll only go so far because dude, dude,

800
00:53:06.480 --> 00:53:09.679
just stop it. You know, like, come on, man, we're okay.

801
00:53:09.719 --> 00:53:12.320
When you're when you jump into the weird pond, you

802
00:53:12.440 --> 00:53:15.320
have to be willing to swim over all the weird pond.

803
00:53:17.280 --> 00:53:20.199
Weird though, Like we're okay. Here's the thing. So like

804
00:53:20.239 --> 00:53:25.039
when we when we use that terminology, like I think

805
00:53:25.079 --> 00:53:26.719
it's I don't know if it's good or not. It's

806
00:53:26.760 --> 00:53:28.880
like I think we have to get to the point

807
00:53:28.920 --> 00:53:33.000
where we just accept that, like people are reporting stuff

808
00:53:33.119 --> 00:53:36.519
like it was invisible. It talked to me in my head.

809
00:53:36.960 --> 00:53:41.400
I couldn't move. Okay, it's it's it's happening, you.

810
00:53:41.360 --> 00:53:44.679
Know, like it is okay. So I mentioned to you

811
00:53:44.719 --> 00:53:47.039
earlier some of my friends that I run around with.

812
00:53:48.000 --> 00:53:53.400
My one of my favorites is Ron Lantham and Joe

813
00:53:53.440 --> 00:53:56.760
Purdue with Wild and Word West Virginia Radio. Okay, I've

814
00:53:56.760 --> 00:54:01.840
known them for several years now, and I you know there,

815
00:54:01.880 --> 00:54:06.679
I've done stuff with them. They're absolutely fantastic. Anybody that

816
00:54:06.920 --> 00:54:10.840
has anything weird to report. These are the guys that

817
00:54:10.880 --> 00:54:16.119
will take you seriously because they're science first. In that

818
00:54:16.360 --> 00:54:21.199
group running with them, what they do is classify these

819
00:54:21.880 --> 00:54:25.079
they're they're all sightings. Okay, these are all legit sightings.

820
00:54:25.800 --> 00:54:29.280
If it is just flesh and blood and just doing

821
00:54:29.480 --> 00:54:33.440
the normal bigfoot thing, it's a subject A. If it

822
00:54:33.480 --> 00:54:36.639
has any aspect of the weird. There's a light, there's

823
00:54:36.639 --> 00:54:42.880
a mickry, there's a vocalization, there's a ufo, there's walking

824
00:54:42.920 --> 00:54:47.400
in and out of a portal, there's orbs. Any of that,

825
00:54:47.400 --> 00:54:51.800
that subject B and that is equally as relevant. And

826
00:54:51.840 --> 00:54:53.840
I can tell you a couple a couple of thoughts

827
00:54:53.840 --> 00:54:57.159
I have along those lines, because there's a researcher I

828
00:54:57.199 --> 00:54:59.800
was reading about the other day and it makes perfect sense.

829
00:55:01.000 --> 00:55:02.800
He's south of me. I don't remember if it's Carolina

830
00:55:02.920 --> 00:55:06.559
or Tennessee, but he says that every single time that

831
00:55:06.639 --> 00:55:09.440
you see a bigfoot, or you see an orb, or

832
00:55:09.480 --> 00:55:11.239
you see something up in front of you, that's like

833
00:55:11.360 --> 00:55:15.320
in one of those ooh ah, look at that turn around,

834
00:55:16.199 --> 00:55:18.599
there will be somebody behind you, there will be other bigfoots,

835
00:55:18.639 --> 00:55:21.320
there will be something happening. And I think that is

836
00:55:21.360 --> 00:55:26.119
one hundred percent dead on because Okay, this is going

837
00:55:26.119 --> 00:55:28.960
into the whole mechanics of the bigfoot and the physiology

838
00:55:29.000 --> 00:55:36.679
and morphology bigfoot, with its size and its mass and

839
00:55:36.719 --> 00:55:41.320
its calorie usage, it does not make sense that it

840
00:55:41.360 --> 00:55:44.559
walks around upright all time. It does not make sense

841
00:55:45.079 --> 00:55:47.920
that it goes flying through the woods all the time,

842
00:55:49.039 --> 00:55:53.559
you know, zooming and running around. No, that burns too much.

843
00:55:54.599 --> 00:55:58.199
That's got to be a display. And to me, that's

844
00:55:58.280 --> 00:56:00.719
like a meerkat where you have that one cat guard

845
00:56:00.719 --> 00:56:03.719
that stands up and makes a noise so that the

846
00:56:03.760 --> 00:56:06.199
hawk will go for it while all the rest go

847
00:56:06.280 --> 00:56:11.039
to ground. I'm thinking that Patty in the Patterson film

848
00:56:11.480 --> 00:56:14.599
is doing that slow role as she walks by, so

849
00:56:14.719 --> 00:56:19.280
that everybody is looking at that bigfoot. Nobody's looking behind

850
00:56:19.719 --> 00:56:22.119
to see dad grabbing the baby and going into the bushes.

851
00:56:23.679 --> 00:56:27.880
You know, when Joe was talking about Joe Purdue was

852
00:56:27.880 --> 00:56:31.039
talking about his big foot encounter. He was hunting. He

853
00:56:31.119 --> 00:56:33.760
was up on a ridge and was looking right across

854
00:56:34.239 --> 00:56:37.719
at a family on another ridge. They were along a

855
00:56:37.800 --> 00:56:41.920
section that had recently been managed and cleared, and they

856
00:56:41.960 --> 00:56:45.039
were foraging, and they were down. They were on all

857
00:56:45.079 --> 00:56:47.639
fours in a crouch, just like any other gorilla urch

858
00:56:47.679 --> 00:56:51.199
in pansy and they were doing their little thing until

859
00:56:52.280 --> 00:56:54.599
the wind got caught and they might have picked up

860
00:56:54.599 --> 00:56:56.880
that he was out there, and it was real quick,

861
00:56:56.920 --> 00:56:59.679
grab the baby, go down and get out and get

862
00:56:59.719 --> 00:57:01.840
to the edge. And it was you know, one of

863
00:57:01.840 --> 00:57:04.559
them was kind of upright and watching, but not I

864
00:57:04.559 --> 00:57:06.639
don't think he described it as standing up. I think

865
00:57:06.639 --> 00:57:09.639
they stayed down the whole time. But he observed them

866
00:57:09.679 --> 00:57:14.039
foraging and they were crouched. The path that I'm seeing

867
00:57:14.280 --> 00:57:17.880
are down, they are low. They are the right position

868
00:57:17.920 --> 00:57:20.440
because a lot of times we sit down to eat.

869
00:57:21.039 --> 00:57:26.039
Our bodies are just built this way. And for me

870
00:57:26.599 --> 00:57:29.280
as a as a field biologist or feel botanist, my

871
00:57:29.400 --> 00:57:32.599
job was to look at these areas and see is

872
00:57:32.639 --> 00:57:35.599
there enough forage to provide for a five thousand calorie

873
00:57:35.599 --> 00:57:40.360
a day diet. There has to be. If not, then

874
00:57:40.639 --> 00:57:43.000
the bigfoot is the sighting is treated as a transient

875
00:57:43.079 --> 00:57:45.840
sighting that it might be moving through the area or

876
00:57:45.880 --> 00:57:49.199
just foraging here and leaving. It's not living there. But

877
00:57:49.519 --> 00:57:53.360
if there's enough food for five thousand calories a day,

878
00:57:53.480 --> 00:57:56.559
then it's possible that it's a resident and this is

879
00:57:56.559 --> 00:57:59.679
a feeding area, and so My job is to look

880
00:57:59.719 --> 00:58:03.280
at it and see is there enough food here to

881
00:58:03.440 --> 00:58:07.880
either draw in animals that it will eat or two

882
00:58:07.920 --> 00:58:11.280
feet something that's going to use that much weight. Now

883
00:58:11.360 --> 00:58:14.119
I know for me, I actually have to eat a

884
00:58:14.159 --> 00:58:18.719
way lower calorie a day diet then somebody my size,

885
00:58:18.800 --> 00:58:22.440
even my ideal weight. Because of my metabolism, it's like

886
00:58:22.480 --> 00:58:26.800
so crazy slow, it's frightening. I'm a biological, freaking nature

887
00:58:26.880 --> 00:58:30.719
just right off the bat. I've got that blood type

888
00:58:30.719 --> 00:58:35.119
everybody talks about. I've got a lower body metabolism. I

889
00:58:35.159 --> 00:58:38.400
stay around ninety six when I'm running hot. My temperature

890
00:58:38.480 --> 00:58:42.760
drops when I'm sleeping. The lowest I've been clocked at

891
00:58:42.840 --> 00:58:45.480
night in the winter is eighty eight degrees, which is hypothermic.

892
00:58:45.559 --> 00:58:50.119
But I'm fine. I think that bigfoot actually follow that,

893
00:58:51.000 --> 00:58:53.639
and that's why if they're at rest, they're not going

894
00:58:53.679 --> 00:58:55.960
to be showing up so easy on a thermal because

895
00:58:55.960 --> 00:58:59.320
their temperature drops as fast as mine does. And then

896
00:58:59.440 --> 00:59:02.159
when they're active, that's when they burn, and that's when

897
00:59:02.239 --> 00:59:04.760
you see them. I think they're a lot more cartilage

898
00:59:04.800 --> 00:59:08.079
than bone. I think that part of their chest is

899
00:59:08.079 --> 00:59:12.280
probably a cartilage plate, to be honest, just because of

900
00:59:12.519 --> 00:59:16.679
the stories from hunters, and if you wonder how that works,

901
00:59:17.800 --> 00:59:20.400
go down the rabbit hole of reading about a wombat's

902
00:59:20.400 --> 00:59:26.559
butt and just go for there. There there is biological

903
00:59:31.639 --> 00:59:33.599
what's the right word in this case, well anyway, there

904
00:59:33.639 --> 00:59:37.639
are other things biologically that if you apply it to

905
00:59:37.639 --> 00:59:43.679
the bigfoot, make what sounds like a mythological whatnot perfectly normal?

906
00:59:44.960 --> 00:59:47.559
You know, like it's bulletproof. No, you can have really

907
00:59:47.719 --> 00:59:53.199
thick hide in cartilage and be dang near bulletproof. Yeah,

908
00:59:53.440 --> 00:59:59.119
so this whole thing, if cartilage explains why a bigfoot

909
00:59:59.199 --> 01:00:02.800
can go from being such a small baby to such

910
01:00:02.840 --> 01:00:04.039
a huge creature.

911
01:00:04.719 --> 01:00:08.039
Big for society will be right back after these messages.

912
01:00:24.639 --> 01:00:27.360
Because we know, you know, we go from small babies

913
01:00:28.159 --> 01:00:32.719
five to seven pounds to being huge and that has

914
01:00:32.760 --> 01:00:35.519
to do with cartilage and growth plates. But the more

915
01:00:35.599 --> 01:00:38.559
cartilage you have, the less bone you leave behind. If

916
01:00:38.559 --> 01:00:39.000
you die.

917
01:00:40.320 --> 01:00:44.880
Oh, so where did your skeleton go?

918
01:00:46.639 --> 01:00:47.719
You see how it all CLIs?

919
01:00:48.119 --> 01:00:48.880
That's really cool.

920
01:00:50.760 --> 01:00:53.880
Where's the bones? How much cartilage was it? Was it

921
01:00:53.920 --> 01:00:56.039
a juvenile and died? You're not going to find boob kiss?

922
01:00:56.280 --> 01:00:59.519
Yeah, you know that's a really cool theory though. I

923
01:00:59.599 --> 01:01:01.840
like that. I'm gonna look more that.

924
01:01:02.039 --> 01:01:06.039
Yeah, this is what happens when somebody who's actually science minded,

925
01:01:06.599 --> 01:01:11.360
who grew up looking for the scientific explanation for something,

926
01:01:12.039 --> 01:01:14.599
drops into this field and goes, well, we're going to

927
01:01:14.679 --> 01:01:18.199
go to this direction. Now. You know, if I can't

928
01:01:18.239 --> 01:01:24.599
apply ape to this figure or only ape to this figure,

929
01:01:24.679 --> 01:01:28.119
what else is out there that can do this? And

930
01:01:28.159 --> 01:01:33.119
it's like, oh, okay, so what if it's chest area

931
01:01:33.519 --> 01:01:37.639
has the same structures to it as a wombat's that

932
01:01:37.719 --> 01:01:39.360
it you know, because this thing has to be able

933
01:01:39.360 --> 01:01:42.599
to handle fighting with a grizzly bear, because we have

934
01:01:42.880 --> 01:01:45.800
records of them doing it. So if they're going to

935
01:01:45.840 --> 01:01:48.000
fight with a bear, it's got to be able to

936
01:01:48.000 --> 01:01:50.920
handle those claws. I've had close up personal run ends

937
01:01:50.960 --> 01:01:55.719
with bears and that is no joke. Okay, we're not

938
01:01:55.840 --> 01:01:58.599
set for it. We are marshmallows to a bear, but

939
01:01:58.679 --> 01:02:02.519
we're making a huge, huge assumption that a bigfoot is

940
01:02:02.559 --> 01:02:06.639
a marshmallow to a bear. If that bigfoot's got rhino hyde,

941
01:02:07.400 --> 01:02:11.400
then you know, it's totally different. So yeah, it could

942
01:02:11.440 --> 01:02:14.400
probably get shot at and be fine, be like oh yeah,

943
01:02:14.400 --> 01:02:17.719
that's a glancing blow. They seem to know how to

944
01:02:17.719 --> 01:02:20.920
treat it. There's plenty of records of them out west

945
01:02:21.639 --> 01:02:26.679
well in various places treating wounds. And you know, I

946
01:02:27.039 --> 01:02:31.000
think that we really have got to stop applying human,

947
01:02:31.800 --> 01:02:35.760
hairy human to Bigfoot, because that's not a hairy human.

948
01:02:36.400 --> 01:02:42.559
It's not a bonobo on growth hormones, it's not a gorilla,

949
01:02:43.119 --> 01:02:46.400
it's something else. It is in our family tree. We

950
01:02:46.519 --> 01:02:51.480
know that the whole thing with the similar DNA. Okay,

951
01:02:51.760 --> 01:02:54.000
I'm going to blow your mind on this one. So

952
01:02:54.760 --> 01:02:56.840
we know we have the whole We we have e DNA.

953
01:02:57.440 --> 01:03:00.239
We have enough DNA off off off of Bigfoot. It's

954
01:03:00.719 --> 01:03:04.039
currently tested and being tested, but we have enough to

955
01:03:04.199 --> 01:03:08.000
know that it is some sort of old world ape

956
01:03:08.360 --> 01:03:14.559
DNA and human DNA. So everyone screams hybrid hybrid, hybrid, hybrid, hybrid,

957
01:03:14.599 --> 01:03:17.519
and I want to just do a three stew just

958
01:03:17.559 --> 01:03:21.079
slap across all of them. And the reason for that

959
01:03:23.360 --> 01:03:28.000
we share that our DNA with a lot of other

960
01:03:28.239 --> 01:03:33.880
animals and we don't interbreed with them. I would like

961
01:03:33.960 --> 01:03:39.639
to point out the common housecat. If you have to

962
01:03:39.639 --> 01:03:46.039
throw hybridizing completely out because your house cat, which is

963
01:03:46.079 --> 01:03:50.000
descended from the same line as tigers, Okay, that little

964
01:03:50.079 --> 01:03:54.679
house cat not only has some human DNA in it,

965
01:03:54.679 --> 01:03:59.000
it also has squid DNA. You want to explain to

966
01:03:59.079 --> 01:04:03.840
me the house part and drunken kegfest that resulted in that,

967
01:04:04.800 --> 01:04:08.159
because it's not inter breeding. It's some kind of lateral

968
01:04:08.199 --> 01:04:12.159
gene transference. But it's happening. And as far as with

969
01:04:12.239 --> 01:04:16.960
the bigfoot, we call it human DNA, but it may

970
01:04:17.000 --> 01:04:21.119
be what we've identified. We identify a one hundred percent

971
01:04:21.159 --> 01:04:24.760
of what's in our system as what makes us human,

972
01:04:26.280 --> 01:04:30.480
but other things share that DNA. Chimpanzees have that DNA,

973
01:04:31.519 --> 01:04:35.559
we have that DNA, cats have that DNA. So why

974
01:04:35.639 --> 01:04:38.679
can't a bigfoot have that DNA? I don't think that

975
01:04:39.320 --> 01:04:42.320
you know. I mean, yes, I know because I've read

976
01:04:42.320 --> 01:04:45.880
the reports of human males and bigfoot females having relations.

977
01:04:46.159 --> 01:04:48.880
I don't know if it goes the other way. But

978
01:04:49.920 --> 01:04:54.039
one of the earliest reports pre settlement that I have

979
01:04:54.199 --> 01:04:58.280
from the Virginia areas involves the Outer Banks and a

980
01:04:58.320 --> 01:05:01.880
man and a bigfoot and an offspring that was produced.

981
01:05:02.400 --> 01:05:06.440
We have stories of the alma that was caught in

982
01:05:07.679 --> 01:05:10.159
I think her name was Zenya, but that was caught

983
01:05:10.239 --> 01:05:15.119
in Russia, and the people that have been tested that

984
01:05:15.159 --> 01:05:19.679
are her descendants have sub Saharan African DNA, so she

985
01:05:19.760 --> 01:05:23.880
may not have even been a you know, an alma.

986
01:05:24.519 --> 01:05:31.719
But there's also the possibility of well, I would be

987
01:05:31.880 --> 01:05:37.320
giving you a DNA lecture, but essentially back crossing off

988
01:05:37.400 --> 01:05:41.719
of a mule to produce you know, either a donkey

989
01:05:41.840 --> 01:05:43.679
or a horse with some of the traits of the mule.

990
01:05:44.079 --> 01:05:46.960
You can do that. Mules are not one hundred percent sterile.

991
01:05:47.639 --> 01:05:50.000
You can back cross off of one of the parent breeds,

992
01:05:50.079 --> 01:05:53.519
and the same is true for pretty much anything. It's

993
01:05:53.559 --> 01:05:56.719
how we've gotten the American chestnut and the American elmback

994
01:05:56.800 --> 01:06:01.320
by back crossing. We found relic populations where they have

995
01:06:01.360 --> 01:06:05.440
gotten resistance to diseases, and we have gotten survivors that

996
01:06:05.480 --> 01:06:09.039
we have back crossed off of related species so that

997
01:06:09.079 --> 01:06:13.039
their DNA is one hundred percent say American chestnut, but

998
01:06:13.199 --> 01:06:18.800
it has the Asian chestnut resistance. There's no reason that

999
01:06:19.000 --> 01:06:24.800
some of these things we're not encountering aren't related. But

1000
01:06:24.960 --> 01:06:28.960
I'm I'm jumping into like a two and a three

1001
01:06:29.000 --> 01:06:32.119
hour discussion on DNA, and I don't want to do that.

1002
01:06:33.440 --> 01:06:35.760
It is really actually incredibly fascinating.

1003
01:06:35.800 --> 01:06:37.480
We don't have a big foot in a box yet,

1004
01:06:37.920 --> 01:06:40.920
so you have to think out of a box. You've

1005
01:06:40.920 --> 01:06:45.079
got to be willing to look at the most absurd possibility.

1006
01:06:45.599 --> 01:06:47.519
And it's like, Okay, how do I get from reality

1007
01:06:47.559 --> 01:06:50.920
to the absurd possibility? How do I make that possible?

1008
01:06:51.760 --> 01:06:55.119
Is there a bridge between here and there? And if

1009
01:06:55.159 --> 01:06:57.239
you can't find a bridge, fine, get a bridge as

1010
01:06:57.239 --> 01:06:58.559
far as you can and put a pin in it.

1011
01:06:59.159 --> 01:07:02.320
Move on to the next theory because eventually, in time,

1012
01:07:03.159 --> 01:07:06.079
it'll tell you whether that bridge loops back around and

1013
01:07:06.159 --> 01:07:08.239
comes back to pint, to the starting point, or if

1014
01:07:08.239 --> 01:07:11.320
it goes all the way to the weird. But you're

1015
01:07:11.360 --> 01:07:13.039
just not there yet. You just have to wait that

1016
01:07:13.079 --> 01:07:16.880
the science hasn't caught up yet. I'm hardcore onto all this.

1017
01:07:18.400 --> 01:07:21.599
Personally, this is a really good episode. I'm really enjoying it.

1018
01:07:21.920 --> 01:07:24.800
But there is one section that I don't think will

1019
01:07:24.840 --> 01:07:27.320
ever come up again, and so I want to make

1020
01:07:27.360 --> 01:07:29.960
sure that we hit it here at the end sure

1021
01:07:30.400 --> 01:07:33.440
or the last part of the episode. You mentioned really

1022
01:07:33.519 --> 01:07:40.360
quick rudimentary mushroom farming, and I'm curious what that means.

1023
01:07:40.800 --> 01:07:44.559
Yeah, okay, so I sent you a bunch of pictures.

1024
01:07:44.920 --> 01:07:47.280
How would be the time to put them in the collage. Everybody,

1025
01:07:47.320 --> 01:07:50.239
go to the YouTube page and please comment on it.

1026
01:07:52.000 --> 01:07:59.039
So what is happening is in my research area, specifically

1027
01:07:59.280 --> 01:08:02.360
in big Foot Alley and nowhere else that I've found

1028
01:08:03.039 --> 01:08:09.360
in the area are there is a ridiculous amount of

1029
01:08:09.559 --> 01:08:16.600
edible mushrooms to forage, and the trees are being bent.

1030
01:08:18.199 --> 01:08:21.600
Young trees are being bent at an angle that makes

1031
01:08:21.680 --> 01:08:27.920
them less likely to shed water correctly and therefore more

1032
01:08:27.960 --> 01:08:35.520
susceptible to fungal infection and to get basically mushrooms seated

1033
01:08:35.560 --> 01:08:42.560
on them. And what I am finding is these particular

1034
01:08:42.720 --> 01:08:49.119
trees tend to be bent at fun angles, they tend

1035
01:08:49.119 --> 01:08:52.399
to be in the areas of the artwork, and the

1036
01:08:52.479 --> 01:08:55.840
mushrooms on them are all edible. So I sent you

1037
01:08:55.880 --> 01:08:59.399
a picture of one that is a member of the

1038
01:08:59.439 --> 01:09:04.520
wood jelly family. It's woodier and it's on the way

1039
01:09:04.640 --> 01:09:09.560
up on the switchback. But if this were something I

1040
01:09:09.560 --> 01:09:11.520
could get away with in that area, I would be

1041
01:09:11.560 --> 01:09:14.960
harvesting that for dinner. That's quite a delicious little mushroom

1042
01:09:14.960 --> 01:09:20.439
there in the Bigfoot Alley section or at the other

1043
01:09:20.560 --> 01:09:24.159
end of Bigfoot Alley, right, you have to go down

1044
01:09:24.399 --> 01:09:29.840
into a ravine and then up. And the reason I

1045
01:09:29.840 --> 01:09:34.039
started noticing the fungui was when I first started coming

1046
01:09:34.079 --> 01:09:37.079
out there, there was a lot of achen called or

1047
01:09:37.199 --> 01:09:40.039
a like in fungus hybrid. It's called wood or it's

1048
01:09:40.039 --> 01:09:44.079
called rock tripe, and rock tripe is a survival food.

1049
01:09:44.159 --> 01:09:49.239
You use it to thicken soups. It looks like dried up,

1050
01:09:49.279 --> 01:09:53.000
crusty algae on a rock, but it's not. It's actually

1051
01:09:53.000 --> 01:09:57.640
a fun guy and it's usable. It's very gritty and

1052
01:09:57.680 --> 01:10:01.119
not tasty. And I had noticed that people had basically

1053
01:10:01.600 --> 01:10:03.880
climbed all over the rocks and removed it in this area,

1054
01:10:03.920 --> 01:10:06.079
which may be very annoyed, because I liked it. It

1055
01:10:06.119 --> 01:10:12.000
was pretty. Then I started finding in that area a

1056
01:10:12.079 --> 01:10:17.439
mushroom called Lion's Main, and Lion's Maine currently is now

1057
01:10:17.479 --> 01:10:20.720
being very sought after by a lot of foragers because

1058
01:10:20.760 --> 01:10:27.800
it's very good for neurological issues. It's excellent, makes great fritters.

1059
01:10:28.039 --> 01:10:32.840
It's a delicious mushroom. And I sent you a picture

1060
01:10:33.039 --> 01:10:36.119
of one of the trees where it has been partially

1061
01:10:36.199 --> 01:10:40.840
harvested out of the tree, so you know that one

1062
01:10:41.159 --> 01:10:44.079
there's that area has got a lot of the Lion's

1063
01:10:44.119 --> 01:10:48.000
Man going in it. You cross the creek and go

1064
01:10:48.079 --> 01:10:52.319
up into Bigfoot Alley, and that's where I start seeing

1065
01:10:52.760 --> 01:10:58.640
the turkey tail and the wood ear being like, and

1066
01:10:58.680 --> 01:11:00.840
also some of the shelf funk guy that are edible

1067
01:11:01.199 --> 01:11:03.720
things like oyster mushrooms and stuff like that are being used.

1068
01:11:04.520 --> 01:11:08.600
These are showing up on the artwork. The artwork is

1069
01:11:08.640 --> 01:11:11.720
like where they have the arches. Specifically it's on the

1070
01:11:11.880 --> 01:11:16.840
arches and it'll be the triangular shaped arch where you

1071
01:11:16.960 --> 01:11:23.680
have a live tree that's bent over and it's either

1072
01:11:23.840 --> 01:11:31.600
caught in a branch or another tree, usually dead, that's

1073
01:11:31.840 --> 01:11:35.720
leaning in to create the upright section. Nine times out

1074
01:11:35.720 --> 01:11:39.479
of ten it's a branch or an uprooted piece of tree.

1075
01:11:39.960 --> 01:11:42.319
And trust me, you can tell the difference between uprooted

1076
01:11:42.359 --> 01:11:44.760
and something that's just been pulled over, because I'm looking

1077
01:11:44.800 --> 01:11:47.199
at a base of all the little tree branches or

1078
01:11:47.319 --> 01:11:52.640
trunk's roots sticking out. Sorry, and you know it's set

1079
01:11:52.680 --> 01:11:56.520
on top of leaves. So it'll be this structure weighted

1080
01:11:56.560 --> 01:12:00.600
down by more branches and the hanging branches will be

1081
01:12:00.720 --> 01:12:08.800
seeded with or already growing mushrooms. That particular technique allows

1082
01:12:08.880 --> 01:12:14.840
for rain water to slowly seat down the branches to

1083
01:12:14.880 --> 01:12:19.920
increase the rot, which will increase the nutrients to the

1084
01:12:20.000 --> 01:12:25.520
mushroom and therefore give you a larger, better mushroom bloom.

1085
01:12:25.600 --> 01:12:28.960
It also prevents the wind from blowing as much, so

1086
01:12:29.000 --> 01:12:32.600
the mushrooms will stay at peak longer, and it will

1087
01:12:32.600 --> 01:12:35.279
create a more humid environment because it's all this wet

1088
01:12:35.319 --> 01:12:39.840
wood hanging around it. That will also encourage larger, better

1089
01:12:40.039 --> 01:12:44.800
mushroom growth more frequent, and it will trap the spores

1090
01:12:44.880 --> 01:12:48.680
in that area. So the unseated wood will then become

1091
01:12:48.720 --> 01:12:51.960
seated and you can start a new colony somewhere else,

1092
01:12:52.079 --> 01:12:56.439
just like you know, creating sour dough bread. So you

1093
01:12:56.520 --> 01:13:00.159
have the branches that are bent flat that are getting

1094
01:13:00.760 --> 01:13:03.399
the wood ear put on them. You have the shelf

1095
01:13:03.560 --> 01:13:08.119
and brackets that are being hung in the triangle shape

1096
01:13:09.079 --> 01:13:13.319
art pieces, and then there are upright sections of wood.

1097
01:13:13.359 --> 01:13:17.239
They look like stobs of tree. I have not checked

1098
01:13:17.239 --> 01:13:18.960
to see whether or not they are trees that have

1099
01:13:19.000 --> 01:13:22.479
been broken off or if they are actual trees that

1100
01:13:22.520 --> 01:13:26.520
have been shoved down into the soil, but they are

1101
01:13:26.600 --> 01:13:30.640
trees where This is something that I talked with my friend,

1102
01:13:32.520 --> 01:13:36.319
one of my friends who's Native American, and I showed

1103
01:13:36.399 --> 01:13:38.920
him some of the pictures of a vernal pool that

1104
01:13:39.039 --> 01:13:41.359
I was watching because vernal pools are a food source.

1105
01:13:42.279 --> 01:13:45.279
And I said, and I'm very curious about what's going

1106
01:13:45.319 --> 01:13:48.239
on with this tree here. It's an old stop and

1107
01:13:49.000 --> 01:13:50.600
it doesn't look right. And he goes, well, yeah, you've

1108
01:13:50.600 --> 01:13:52.399
got the leaves packed all over the top of it.

1109
01:13:52.439 --> 01:13:54.079
I said, yeah, that doesn't make any sense because the

1110
01:13:54.119 --> 01:13:56.399
wind would have blown them. I don't know why they're there.

1111
01:13:56.439 --> 01:13:57.880
And he goes, well, that's how you get the mushrooms

1112
01:13:57.880 --> 01:14:02.359
to grow. And I'm like, boo, that's exactly how you

1113
01:14:02.359 --> 01:14:04.600
get the mushrooms to grow. And he goes, yeah, the

1114
01:14:04.680 --> 01:14:08.000
natives did that all the time. And I'm like okay,

1115
01:14:08.760 --> 01:14:12.840
And me, having studied mycology, was never taught this particular technique.

1116
01:14:13.000 --> 01:14:16.039
I was never taught any of these techniques. I am

1117
01:14:16.079 --> 01:14:19.560
a hardcore forager and I love, you know, survival stuff.

1118
01:14:19.600 --> 01:14:23.600
My hobby is going out into the woods collecting edible plants,

1119
01:14:24.119 --> 01:14:27.600
bringing them back and working them in is landscaping at

1120
01:14:27.640 --> 01:14:30.239
my house. So people are always like, oh, what a

1121
01:14:30.239 --> 01:14:33.720
beautiful plant. I'm like, yeah, and it's edible. You know.

1122
01:14:33.760 --> 01:14:36.880
I do this for fun, So I don't know these techniques.

1123
01:14:37.479 --> 01:14:39.840
But I sent you the picture of the one of

1124
01:14:39.920 --> 01:14:44.640
the tree that is I honestly think it's inverted. I

1125
01:14:44.680 --> 01:14:47.880
think it's top down, but again I haven't sat down

1126
01:14:47.960 --> 01:14:51.680
with it and studied it. But that is turkey tail

1127
01:14:52.640 --> 01:14:55.279
that's flushing that little orange on it is all turkey

1128
01:14:55.279 --> 01:14:58.399
tail being flushed up it. And you can see where

1129
01:14:58.399 --> 01:15:01.720
the leaves are packed onto the rough parts of the

1130
01:15:01.720 --> 01:15:05.680
broken section, and they're going to trap moisture. They're going

1131
01:15:05.800 --> 01:15:10.319
to create extra dripping coming down, which means extra spray,

1132
01:15:10.439 --> 01:15:13.920
which will encourage moss and it will encourage more fungi,

1133
01:15:14.560 --> 01:15:16.880
and it will keep the area humid and moist and

1134
01:15:16.880 --> 01:15:17.640
so it's better for.

1135
01:15:17.600 --> 01:15:22.000
Production, big for society. Will be right back after these messages.

1136
01:15:38.680 --> 01:15:42.359
People are not doing that that trees or that stop

1137
01:15:42.399 --> 01:15:46.920
that you're looking at as twelve feet. That's not done

1138
01:15:46.960 --> 01:15:51.880
by a person. So what's doing it. If you look

1139
01:15:52.399 --> 01:15:56.000
in some of the photographs, look high thirty feet up

1140
01:15:56.119 --> 01:15:59.239
twenty to thirty and you will see right angle trees

1141
01:16:00.279 --> 01:16:03.800
and over and over again, these look like the markings,

1142
01:16:04.239 --> 01:16:07.399
the marking trees the natives did. But those are generally

1143
01:16:07.439 --> 01:16:10.880
low to the ground, they're about waist high. These are up,

1144
01:16:12.119 --> 01:16:15.239
so the tree was up before it was its growth

1145
01:16:15.319 --> 01:16:18.520
was affected, and it was bent at a right angle

1146
01:16:19.479 --> 01:16:23.760
and then allowed to continue upwards. That right angle is

1147
01:16:23.800 --> 01:16:27.880
what mushrooms are being grown on. And I'm like, what

1148
01:16:27.960 --> 01:16:32.239
the heck? And this only happens in Bigfoot Alley. I

1149
01:16:32.279 --> 01:16:35.640
have been all over this entire preserve and I have

1150
01:16:35.720 --> 01:16:41.319
been backpacking these mountains since I was thirteen years old,

1151
01:16:42.600 --> 01:16:48.600
and I do not see this like this elsewhere, certainly

1152
01:16:48.640 --> 01:16:51.279
not with the frequency. If I go in Bigfoot Alley,

1153
01:16:51.960 --> 01:16:56.279
I can easily Bigfoot Alley is not It's maybe a

1154
01:16:56.319 --> 01:16:59.920
mile long. Okay, in that mile, I can point to

1155
01:17:00.119 --> 01:17:05.279
you at least a dozen of those right angle breaks

1156
01:17:05.359 --> 01:17:09.119
twenty feet up in trees of different ages. The tree

1157
01:17:09.159 --> 01:17:12.079
is bent in a way that will not kill the tree,

1158
01:17:12.159 --> 01:17:18.800
and it is allowed to go upright after about five

1159
01:17:18.840 --> 01:17:23.720
to six feet. This happens over and over and over again,

1160
01:17:25.000 --> 01:17:27.840
and I can't figure out what they're marking that high.

1161
01:17:29.520 --> 01:17:31.600
You know, you can really only see it in the wintertime.

1162
01:17:31.760 --> 01:17:35.920
What is it for? What are they pointing towards? Unless

1163
01:17:35.920 --> 01:17:41.520
they're climbing up the tree and eating mushrooms. And from

1164
01:17:41.520 --> 01:17:43.840
what I've read, the juveniles do that I am.

1165
01:17:43.720 --> 01:17:46.880
So glad that we had this part of the conversation.

1166
01:17:47.199 --> 01:17:53.079
So hypothetically, so I'm out of my league in this

1167
01:17:53.199 --> 01:17:59.119
part a lot. But so humans use Lion's Main to

1168
01:17:59.399 --> 01:18:03.039
help with neurological improved, neurological.

1169
01:18:02.520 --> 01:18:04.960
Correct type things, now cognitive functions.

1170
01:18:04.640 --> 01:18:09.920
Right, thank you. So hypothetically, if a creature like a

1171
01:18:09.960 --> 01:18:15.840
Bigfoot started ingesting a lot of this, could this potentially

1172
01:18:15.880 --> 01:18:19.000
help their cognitive as well?

1173
01:18:20.319 --> 01:18:27.680
If their brain structure is neurologically the same as ours,

1174
01:18:28.760 --> 01:18:35.159
then yes. And if Bigfoot is able to communicate telepathically,

1175
01:18:35.880 --> 01:18:38.319
I would hazard a guess that yes, its structure is

1176
01:18:38.359 --> 01:18:46.520
the same. So theoretically yes, it will improve Turkey Tale

1177
01:18:47.159 --> 01:18:51.439
and Lion's Main and everything else along those lines also

1178
01:18:51.520 --> 01:18:56.119
work in our pets. The doctor to follow The person

1179
01:18:56.199 --> 01:19:00.520
to follow is doctor Statements. He has a line called

1180
01:19:00.560 --> 01:19:04.359
Fungi perfect I. You can find him online. The CDC

1181
01:19:04.840 --> 01:19:10.319
uses his research. Okay, this is a micologist of just

1182
01:19:10.399 --> 01:19:16.119
extraordinary proportions. And you know, my professor was one of

1183
01:19:16.159 --> 01:19:18.319
the tops in the field still is as far as

1184
01:19:18.359 --> 01:19:21.720
I'm concerned, even though he's retired. He identified two different

1185
01:19:21.720 --> 01:19:25.399
types of fungi on his own. The man has forgotten

1186
01:19:25.439 --> 01:19:29.439
more than most people will ever know in mycology. And

1187
01:19:29.640 --> 01:19:31.760
he turned around and said, this is the man to follow,

1188
01:19:32.960 --> 01:19:36.880
And oh my god, he's right. Doctor Stamens is self trained,

1189
01:19:37.960 --> 01:19:40.880
but he holds a legit doctorate now at this point

1190
01:19:40.920 --> 01:19:46.520
for what he's done, and he makes stuff that is

1191
01:19:46.560 --> 01:19:50.520
just I'm turning into an ad form. I cannot recommend

1192
01:19:50.560 --> 01:19:53.760
it enough. If you are interested in the effects of

1193
01:19:54.079 --> 01:19:58.399
fung guy on the human body, on the animal body,

1194
01:19:58.479 --> 01:20:04.439
on anything, read about this guy. He can. I mean,

1195
01:20:04.600 --> 01:20:07.359
we know that we can use fungi to correct a

1196
01:20:07.479 --> 01:20:10.960
majority of the environmental damages that we're doing. That. There

1197
01:20:11.000 --> 01:20:14.640
are fungi that feed on radiation. There are fungi that

1198
01:20:14.760 --> 01:20:18.960
feed on petroleum and petroleum by products. There is fung

1199
01:20:19.000 --> 01:20:23.680
guy that will break down and destroy polycarbonates and vinyl

1200
01:20:24.039 --> 01:20:27.760
and you know, all the stuff that we are having

1201
01:20:27.840 --> 01:20:32.039
problems within the environment, we have fungi that came to

1202
01:20:32.119 --> 01:20:35.800
remove it. The problem is that if we produce it

1203
01:20:36.319 --> 01:20:40.039
in quantities large enough to solve the problem, we will

1204
01:20:40.079 --> 01:20:41.960
destroy all of it that we use for day to

1205
01:20:42.039 --> 01:20:46.039
day living. So right now it's being done in very

1206
01:20:46.079 --> 01:20:53.479
controlled quantities to prevent basically complete destruction of the world

1207
01:20:53.520 --> 01:20:58.079
as we know it by removing every type of petroleum

1208
01:20:58.119 --> 01:21:04.119
byproduct by e plastic that we use, you know, plastic, vinyl,

1209
01:21:05.880 --> 01:21:09.560
every polyfabric that you know. We could destroy them in

1210
01:21:09.560 --> 01:21:12.520
a year completely if we release the stuff in the environment,

1211
01:21:12.560 --> 01:21:14.760
But in the same time, we would destroy everything we

1212
01:21:15.319 --> 01:21:18.039
are dependent on. So until we have a way to

1213
01:21:18.079 --> 01:21:21.119
do this in a controlled function, we can't do much

1214
01:21:21.159 --> 01:21:26.239
more than heal the environment with a handful of mushrooms.

1215
01:21:26.279 --> 01:21:29.039
And you know, if you want to follow that kind

1216
01:21:29.039 --> 01:21:32.199
of story, if you want to find what you need

1217
01:21:32.239 --> 01:21:35.199
to detox your system, if you want to find what

1218
01:21:35.239 --> 01:21:39.600
you need to help your immune system to fight viruses

1219
01:21:39.600 --> 01:21:43.000
and bacteria and everything else, follow doctor statements. I will

1220
01:21:43.000 --> 01:21:45.039
not bore you with that lecture. But the man knows

1221
01:21:45.039 --> 01:21:47.199
what he's talking about. You can trust everything that comes

1222
01:21:47.239 --> 01:21:51.720
out of what he does. And yes, that's the go

1223
01:21:51.800 --> 01:21:55.199
to if you want to look at are these guys

1224
01:21:55.199 --> 01:21:59.640
eating stuff to detox themselves from eating our garbage or

1225
01:21:59.640 --> 01:22:03.800
living in our bad locations? Yeah, that makes sense, that

1226
01:22:04.159 --> 01:22:08.119
could quite possibly be doing that. We have seen orangutang

1227
01:22:09.000 --> 01:22:13.880
use herbs and make pastes as medicine and treat themselves.

1228
01:22:14.439 --> 01:22:19.159
We have stories of bigfoots soaking themselves in water tanks

1229
01:22:19.439 --> 01:22:25.439
to deal with gunshot wound infections and heal themselves. We

1230
01:22:25.560 --> 01:22:29.479
have deer, We have stories of deer our everyday. Dumb

1231
01:22:29.880 --> 01:22:34.720
forest goats, we have stories of them laying down in

1232
01:22:34.840 --> 01:22:41.520
mud to essentially occlude wounds and you know, to cover

1233
01:22:41.640 --> 01:22:45.720
up a wound and to heal it. And hunters will

1234
01:22:45.720 --> 01:22:50.000
tell you multiple times of deers that have got antler

1235
01:22:50.079 --> 01:22:52.840
wounds from others, from fighting with other deers that have

1236
01:22:52.960 --> 01:22:56.439
insisted fur. You know, it basically impacted fur in them

1237
01:22:56.800 --> 01:22:59.159
that they have healed up from. They know what to

1238
01:22:59.279 --> 01:23:01.760
do it, just like dogs know how to eat grass

1239
01:23:01.800 --> 01:23:05.359
to make themselves puke. They know what to do. There's

1240
01:23:05.439 --> 01:23:09.680
no reason at all except for hubris that prevents us

1241
01:23:09.720 --> 01:23:12.079
from thinking that a bigfoot can't do the same thing.

1242
01:23:12.880 --> 01:23:15.880
That can't eat turkey tail mushroom to help fight off

1243
01:23:16.439 --> 01:23:20.000
cancer and to help them to adapt to living closer

1244
01:23:20.000 --> 01:23:25.239
to humans easier. That can't eat this fung guy to

1245
01:23:25.359 --> 01:23:29.119
help clear their head and think better. I mean, I

1246
01:23:29.119 --> 01:23:31.960
don't think they would even consider it, honestly, if they

1247
01:23:32.000 --> 01:23:34.159
were stupid. I'm sorry I'm saying this is wrong, But

1248
01:23:34.199 --> 01:23:38.479
if you're if they're dumbed down, normal animal, and start

1249
01:23:38.520 --> 01:23:42.119
eating something that makes them think better, then they'll naturally

1250
01:23:42.159 --> 01:23:44.159
think better, and then they'll learn to associate this makes

1251
01:23:44.159 --> 01:23:46.479
me think better and eat it. But if they are

1252
01:23:46.600 --> 01:23:48.880
just an animal, they're just going to see that as

1253
01:23:48.920 --> 01:23:52.199
food sure, and all they're going to figure out is

1254
01:23:52.239 --> 01:23:54.399
food make me feel better. I eat more food to

1255
01:23:54.439 --> 01:23:57.520
feel better, right, And then later they start to think

1256
01:23:57.520 --> 01:24:00.199
clear and go, this food makes me think better, can

1257
01:24:00.239 --> 01:24:02.920
actually contemplate the stars, so I will eat more and

1258
01:24:02.960 --> 01:24:06.520
think about the stars. So they have they have to

1259
01:24:06.560 --> 01:24:10.439
evolve up from that is food I eat food to

1260
01:24:11.279 --> 01:24:13.640
that is good food. I eat good food for good

1261
01:24:13.640 --> 01:24:17.359
things because our ancestors learned you eat that weird plant

1262
01:24:18.600 --> 01:24:22.600
and you see things. I don't want to know which

1263
01:24:22.600 --> 01:24:25.880
one of our ancestors was the one I learned this.

1264
01:24:26.159 --> 01:24:29.399
I learned this from my mycology professor. I don't want

1265
01:24:29.399 --> 01:24:31.159
to know which one of our ancestors was the one

1266
01:24:31.159 --> 01:24:35.800
that figured out that everybody else except for the people

1267
01:24:35.800 --> 01:24:39.079
in Fred's family die if they eat this mushroom. But

1268
01:24:39.119 --> 01:24:44.479
if Fred's family eats this mushroom and I drink Fred's pea,

1269
01:24:44.560 --> 01:24:47.359
I will see God. I don't want to know which

1270
01:24:47.399 --> 01:24:50.399
ancestor came up with that. But that is a legit thing.

1271
01:24:51.039 --> 01:24:54.479
That is a legit mushroom in South America. That is

1272
01:24:54.520 --> 01:24:56.439
a legit thing I have been taught about. I am

1273
01:24:56.439 --> 01:25:00.319
not going to share. But certain families genetic lines are

1274
01:25:00.399 --> 01:25:03.800
capable of ingesting that much room. Their kidneys filter out

1275
01:25:03.840 --> 01:25:07.079
the toxins, and their kidneys produce a year and then

1276
01:25:07.119 --> 01:25:12.840
it's psychedelic and shamans will drink it to have visions.

1277
01:25:13.600 --> 01:25:15.720
I don't want to know which one of our ancestors

1278
01:25:15.720 --> 01:25:16.079
did that.

1279
01:25:16.640 --> 01:25:20.880
Okay, what are the that was discovered? My goodness, this is.

1280
01:25:22.600 --> 01:25:23.560
But I mean that's.

1281
01:25:23.399 --> 01:25:26.720
Our family tree, Okay, So why are we saying that

1282
01:25:26.760 --> 01:25:30.680
the Bigfoot family tree can't have a weirdo doing that?

1283
01:25:31.479 --> 01:25:38.319
Absolutely can't say it, you know, as as scientists, and

1284
01:25:38.359 --> 01:25:40.399
we can't say it. We want to say it, we

1285
01:25:40.479 --> 01:25:44.119
can't say it, you know, not if you are truly

1286
01:25:44.800 --> 01:25:48.359
in there for the long haul. You know, I'm not

1287
01:25:48.399 --> 01:25:50.000
going to die on any of these hills.

1288
01:25:50.119 --> 01:25:52.640
I am going to keep going. I am going to

1289
01:25:52.760 --> 01:25:56.239
research until there is nothing left, until everything is known,

1290
01:25:56.960 --> 01:26:02.439
and I'm not I run across stories like what I

1291
01:26:02.520 --> 01:26:06.840
just told you. I run across stories about living with

1292
01:26:06.920 --> 01:26:13.000
bigfoot run across stories about you know, bigfoots taking people

1293
01:26:13.000 --> 01:26:17.039
to alien worlds and vice versa, bigfoot saving communities from

1294
01:26:17.119 --> 01:26:20.960
natural disasters. I see this all the time, and I'm like,

1295
01:26:21.079 --> 01:26:27.439
if somebody's passing this story down that this happened, then

1296
01:26:28.239 --> 01:26:33.720
why and who are we to say it can't something?

1297
01:26:34.399 --> 01:26:38.079
Something was the grain of truth that started this, and

1298
01:26:38.880 --> 01:26:41.039
we need to research until we find what that grain

1299
01:26:41.079 --> 01:26:47.199
of truth is. So I'm not I started out with

1300
01:26:47.279 --> 01:26:52.640
the whole flesh and blood makes sense, and now I'm like, nope,

1301
01:26:53.319 --> 01:26:56.560
It's only a part of the equation, you know.

1302
01:26:56.640 --> 01:26:59.319
It's it's like saying that human beings can only do

1303
01:26:59.520 --> 01:27:01.960
one in one one, you know, we can only do

1304
01:27:02.119 --> 01:27:06.800
addition and subtraction, that we will never understand the stars.

1305
01:27:07.840 --> 01:27:12.479
It's saying that we are only flesh and blood and

1306
01:27:12.560 --> 01:27:18.800
nothing more. And yet that means everything that every religious

1307
01:27:18.920 --> 01:27:22.279
group has ever told us is wrong. That means all

1308
01:27:22.359 --> 01:27:26.479
the studies on the Bacambrile mind are wrong. It means

1309
01:27:26.560 --> 01:27:30.479
that everything that we like to daydream about ourselves is wrong.

1310
01:27:31.000 --> 01:27:34.479
And there were nothing but a meatback, you know, and

1311
01:27:34.640 --> 01:27:38.560
we exist to do what I mean, why are we

1312
01:27:38.600 --> 01:27:44.279
even working a job. Why are we doing anything because

1313
01:27:44.359 --> 01:27:48.880
we're nothing. We're nothing. You know, everything we do about

1314
01:27:48.920 --> 01:27:52.479
is false and I can't do that. I can't do that.

1315
01:27:52.520 --> 01:27:55.000
The human being is the most amazing creature I have

1316
01:27:55.079 --> 01:27:58.399
ever encountered. I think we are absolutely fascinating. We don't

1317
01:27:58.439 --> 01:28:02.279
give ourselves credit. We have humans, entire villages that spend

1318
01:28:02.359 --> 01:28:06.560
more time underwater than above water. We have people that

1319
01:28:06.640 --> 01:28:09.960
live at altitudes nothing else can survive at. We can

1320
01:28:10.000 --> 01:28:14.640
survive ten seconds in space, well, you know, completely unencumbered.

1321
01:28:15.359 --> 01:28:18.880
I don't like the idea of it. Theoretically we might

1322
01:28:18.880 --> 01:28:20.960
be able to make it three minutes, but you know,

1323
01:28:21.039 --> 01:28:24.279
ten seconds, sure, anybody can do it. If we have

1324
01:28:24.319 --> 01:28:27.960
a body that can do that, why do we have

1325
01:28:28.720 --> 01:28:32.720
scientists who say we have limitations? I don't agree with that.

1326
01:28:33.720 --> 01:28:39.640
So if we're capable of these amazing feats, why are

1327
01:28:39.640 --> 01:28:42.439
we giving limitations to a bigfoot just because it's in

1328
01:28:42.479 --> 01:28:43.119
our family tree?

1329
01:28:43.239 --> 01:28:47.079
Yeah? Exactly, Oh, don't don't limit it.

1330
01:28:47.239 --> 01:28:47.800
Let it go.

1331
01:28:50.199 --> 01:28:54.720
This is This has been one of the I would say,

1332
01:28:54.800 --> 01:28:58.359
most interesting conversations that I've had so far. But Anita

1333
01:28:58.960 --> 01:29:02.079
one right at the very end, because I know we

1334
01:29:02.119 --> 01:29:02.960
are coming up.

1335
01:29:04.039 --> 01:29:06.640
Sure, Well, if you want to talk again, if you

1336
01:29:06.680 --> 01:29:09.720
want to get into the super weird sometime. Yeah, we'll

1337
01:29:09.720 --> 01:29:12.359
have another conversation of where I think Bigfoot might actually

1338
01:29:12.399 --> 01:29:16.199
come from. But that's all right, conversation can go ahead.

1339
01:29:16.359 --> 01:29:19.359
CA you sure just for a few minutes. You do.

1340
01:29:19.680 --> 01:29:21.920
You are working on a book that will be coming

1341
01:29:21.960 --> 01:29:25.319
out eventually, just so people can have it in their minds, like, oh,

1342
01:29:25.359 --> 01:29:28.479
I should keep an eye out for this from Anita

1343
01:29:28.520 --> 01:29:29.399
Allen eventually.

1344
01:29:31.000 --> 01:29:34.039
Sure. Okay, So I am working on a book. It's

1345
01:29:34.039 --> 01:29:36.720
taking a while because I am trying to get first

1346
01:29:36.720 --> 01:29:40.880
hand accounts and that's a lot harder, and I'm limiting

1347
01:29:40.920 --> 01:29:46.119
it too, strictly within about an hour of where I live.

1348
01:29:46.560 --> 01:29:50.359
Where I live is the Roanoke Valley in Roanoke, Virginia. Yes,

1349
01:29:50.399 --> 01:29:52.960
it is related to the Lost Colony, but the Lost

1350
01:29:53.000 --> 01:29:56.199
Colony was not here the headwaters for the rivers that

1351
01:29:56.279 --> 01:29:58.159
the Roanoke Island is in the mouth of that it's

1352
01:29:58.239 --> 01:30:03.000
named for us from here found the Lost Colony another story.

1353
01:30:03.279 --> 01:30:06.520
But anyway, what I am doing is limiting it is

1354
01:30:06.560 --> 01:30:11.840
strictly the bizarre, strange and unusual phenomena that have happened

1355
01:30:11.880 --> 01:30:17.800
here in the valley. Essentially within the last seventy years

1356
01:30:18.520 --> 01:30:21.359
because I am tired of the same four or five

1357
01:30:21.479 --> 01:30:27.079
stories making the rounds. Everybody copies LB Taylor and there

1358
01:30:27.159 --> 01:30:30.239
is so much more going on than Elbe Taylor. But

1359
01:30:30.520 --> 01:30:33.960
where I live is extremely weird. I joke with my

1360
01:30:34.000 --> 01:30:37.560
friends it's kind of what would happen if you put

1361
01:30:38.159 --> 01:30:43.119
basically three hundred thousand people living on Skinwalker Ranch in

1362
01:30:43.199 --> 01:30:45.920
the in the U went to basin, because that's what

1363
01:30:45.960 --> 01:30:51.920
we have. You know, I've had UFO sightings multiple times

1364
01:30:52.000 --> 01:30:55.199
in the valley. One of them I could practically, actually

1365
01:30:55.199 --> 01:30:58.760
I could see the spot from my window. I'm involved

1366
01:30:58.800 --> 01:31:06.600
in an ongoing uf actually UAP investigation that's ongoing, but

1367
01:31:06.640 --> 01:31:09.000
it's about an hour, well forty five minutes from where

1368
01:31:09.039 --> 01:31:11.000
I live, and it is outside of the valley, and

1369
01:31:11.039 --> 01:31:14.399
it is unfortunately right on the edge of my book zone.

1370
01:31:15.279 --> 01:31:19.239
So it's mentioned. But that's like pretty much every night

1371
01:31:19.439 --> 01:31:20.960
at a certain time, you can go and see this

1372
01:31:21.000 --> 01:31:26.039
stuff and it doesn't make any sense. But anyway, what

1373
01:31:26.159 --> 01:31:29.880
I'm doing will be coming out through a new imprint

1374
01:31:29.880 --> 01:31:32.920
that I'm starting. That means the book publishing company Rowan

1375
01:31:33.000 --> 01:31:39.119
Wolf Books, And if you want to keep track of it,

1376
01:31:39.560 --> 01:31:42.319
my husband and I have Mythic Delirium Books, which is

1377
01:31:42.640 --> 01:31:47.319
fiction and science fiction, and it is Rowan Wolf Books

1378
01:31:47.479 --> 01:31:49.399
is going to be the paranormal line, and that is

1379
01:31:49.439 --> 01:31:52.960
going to be a subset of it. So it will

1380
01:31:52.960 --> 01:31:56.119
be announced on the Mythic Delirium page when I get

1381
01:31:56.119 --> 01:32:00.479
the website up. The book is about halfway so worded,

1382
01:32:00.520 --> 01:32:05.359
about fifty thousand words right now. I'm aiming for about

1383
01:32:05.399 --> 01:32:07.800
eighty thousand, so it'll be a nice, thick book. It's

1384
01:32:07.800 --> 01:32:09.760
not going to be one of those little chat books.

1385
01:32:10.800 --> 01:32:13.680
And again it's going to be first hand encounters. I'm

1386
01:32:13.800 --> 01:32:19.119
interviewing the witnesses. I'm trying to get photographs. So it's

1387
01:32:19.199 --> 01:32:23.199
coming along. It's pretty nice and hopefully it will be

1388
01:32:23.359 --> 01:32:26.119
well received. It's going to be called nothing Ever happens

1389
01:32:26.119 --> 01:32:29.880
here because that is pretty much what everyone thinks and says.

1390
01:32:31.000 --> 01:32:33.760
People talk about growing up with a spirit, which you

1391
01:32:33.800 --> 01:32:36.079
know like me, and they're like, oh, yeah, I grew

1392
01:32:36.159 --> 01:32:39.000
up in a former mortuary. We had a ghost that

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01:32:39.119 --> 01:32:41.520
used to come over all the time, you know, and

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we talk about this stuff. Everybody has got an experience.

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But they're like, yeah, but it's not a big deal.

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You know, the ghost was always pulling all of my

1397
01:32:51.000 --> 01:32:53.800
Marilyn Monroe stuff off the shelf. I don't know why

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01:32:54.760 --> 01:32:58.319
or yeah. I kept seeing this kid walking around in

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01:32:58.399 --> 01:33:02.319
the backyard and he didn't he doesn't belong to the neighborhood.

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Nobody knows who who he is. And he turns out he's,

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01:33:05.600 --> 01:33:08.079
you know, somebody that passed years ago. I've got a

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01:33:08.119 --> 01:33:12.079
story of kid walking along the railroad tracks and he

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01:33:12.119 --> 01:33:16.279
sees a guy dressed you know, walking along the other way.

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01:33:16.319 --> 01:33:19.880
I think he I think he was holding railroad lantern.

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01:33:20.079 --> 01:33:23.119
I don't remember, but anyway, he asks the kid if

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01:33:23.119 --> 01:33:24.840
he knows where somebody lives, and the kid says, no,

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01:33:24.920 --> 01:33:26.560
I just moved here. I don't know them yet, and

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01:33:26.600 --> 01:33:28.560
the guy thanks him and then flies up in the

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01:33:28.560 --> 01:33:31.960
air and takes off. It's like, what the heck just happened?

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01:33:33.399 --> 01:33:39.399
You know, people are like, yeah, okay, that happened again.

1411
01:33:39.439 --> 01:33:42.159
Like I said, the UFOs, I thought that I was

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01:33:42.199 --> 01:33:45.199
taking a video of a trash bag behind the trees floating,

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01:33:45.239 --> 01:33:47.000
and I thought that's kind of neat the way it's

1414
01:33:47.039 --> 01:33:48.920
flying up. I'm gonna west with my husband in telim

1415
01:33:48.960 --> 01:33:51.399
it's a UFO and started shooting a video and then

1416
01:33:51.399 --> 01:33:55.279
it cleared the trees, and it's like, oh hell. And

1417
01:33:55.920 --> 01:34:02.600
you know, had somebody posting on one of the checkpoint

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01:34:03.039 --> 01:34:06.279
and road warning signs about a giant blue orb flying

1419
01:34:06.319 --> 01:34:08.960
down the road, and somebody else was like, oh yeah,

1420
01:34:09.000 --> 01:34:11.119
we saw one over here at the other end of

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01:34:11.159 --> 01:34:15.079
town a couple of weeks ago. And just this calm,

1422
01:34:15.159 --> 01:34:20.720
regular common conversation will happen over the flying lights and

1423
01:34:21.279 --> 01:34:25.199
it's like, no, guys, this isn't normal anywhere else. You

1424
01:34:25.199 --> 01:34:31.239
don't understand seeing seeing it in your field, acting like

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01:34:31.279 --> 01:34:35.600
a roomba, going back and forth over your field, and

1426
01:34:35.680 --> 01:34:37.399
having it shoot up in the ear when you walk

1427
01:34:37.479 --> 01:34:41.720
down to it is not considered normal. Having giant lights

1428
01:34:41.880 --> 01:34:46.359
outside your windows at night is not normal. Hearing the

1429
01:34:46.640 --> 01:34:52.359
monkey chatter going on between two things walking through your

1430
01:34:52.399 --> 01:34:56.199
backyard at night is not normal. That's one of the

1431
01:34:56.199 --> 01:35:01.960
bigfoot reports that I have here, and that actually makes

1432
01:35:02.000 --> 01:35:06.000
perfect sense if you know where it is. It's following

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01:35:06.079 --> 01:35:09.279
the line of a railroad track that's rarely used anymore,

1434
01:35:10.520 --> 01:35:14.479
and wildlife uses the railroad tracks, the greenways and the

1435
01:35:14.560 --> 01:35:19.640
river walkways as green corridors. Now, I'm part of a

1436
01:35:19.640 --> 01:35:22.640
Master Naturalist group and this is a common thing to

1437
01:35:22.720 --> 01:35:29.399
find wildlife coming from in the deep woods through municipalities

1438
01:35:29.439 --> 01:35:32.000
like mine and going to the deep woods on the

1439
01:35:32.000 --> 01:35:36.439
other side by following greenways. So we have cougar sightings

1440
01:35:36.439 --> 01:35:39.680
happening in the city. We have a black panther sighting

1441
01:35:39.720 --> 01:35:45.000
in the city. We have bigfoots audibly heard in the city.

1442
01:35:45.760 --> 01:35:49.640
We have a bigfoot scene in the Roanoke River on

1443
01:35:49.680 --> 01:35:52.760
the edge of Salem taking a bath and when the

1444
01:35:52.760 --> 01:35:55.680
people walked up, it took off. You know. We have

1445
01:35:55.800 --> 01:36:00.359
these reports happening and people are like, well, must have

1446
01:36:00.399 --> 01:36:04.039
just been a hairy neighbor, you know, must have been this,

1447
01:36:04.319 --> 01:36:06.760
must have been that. There's a million things it might

1448
01:36:06.800 --> 01:36:13.199
have been, but who knows. So I'm recording them because again,

1449
01:36:13.279 --> 01:36:15.720
like I said, the devil's in the details. There could

1450
01:36:15.720 --> 01:36:18.439
be something a commonality that none of us are seeing

1451
01:36:18.520 --> 01:36:21.279
right now that our descendants will and go well, is

1452
01:36:21.359 --> 01:36:22.119
right in front of us.

1453
01:36:22.880 --> 01:36:27.279
Oh man, that is that is great, So listeners make

1454
01:36:27.319 --> 01:36:30.359
sure you're having an eye out for that in the future.

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01:36:30.600 --> 01:36:33.399
That's going to be a great read. But Anita Allen,

1456
01:36:33.439 --> 01:36:35.600
thank you so much for coming on the show today

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01:36:35.760 --> 01:36:39.159
and having such a my pleasure, enlightening conversation and I

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01:36:39.279 --> 01:36:44.600
will definitely be keeping in touch about future things all.

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01:36:45.399 --> 01:36:46.279
I'll talk to you soon.

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01:36:48.000 --> 01:36:49.760
Just wanted to take a few minutes to say thank

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01:36:49.800 --> 01:36:53.920
you to you allman listeners for listening to the podcast.

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had a Bigfoot encounter related to the following or know

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01:37:21.119 --> 01:37:25.239
someone who has, please reach out to me at Bigfoot

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01:37:25.239 --> 01:37:28.720
Society at gmail dot com or pass on my email.

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Here's the list. The Subtle Lake area of Oregon, Rainbow, Oregon,

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01:37:34.680 --> 01:37:40.000
McKinsey Bridge area, Sweet Home, pretty much that entire area,

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01:37:40.560 --> 01:37:43.840
the north part if you get what I mean. I'll

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01:37:43.840 --> 01:37:47.319
see you back next time. Listeners. SASA Summerfest this year

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wasn't nice enough to provide that for my listeners, So

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there you go. I look forward to seeing you there,

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