Jan. 5, 2025

Face to Face by Mt. Hood! | Oregon

This is an unlocked Patreon episode originally released 4/2/24.

Tod Samples and Doug Chez from Episode 269 share what they've been up to with Bigfoot research specifically in the Bluff Creek area and about Doug's Class A encounter in the Mt. Hood...

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Season 1

This is an unlocked Patreon episode originally released 4/2/24.

Tod Samples and Doug Chez from Episode 269 share what they've been up to with Bigfoot research specifically in the Bluff Creek area and about Doug's Class A encounter in the Mt. Hood area of Oregon. What Doug saw is incredibly interesting and makes for an episode you won't want to miss!

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slash the Big for Society and now let's get on

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with the show, all right. Big for Society got the

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privilege of talking to Todd Samples and Doug Shade tonight.

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Talk to him about a year and a half ago.

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They're bigfoot researchers out there on the West coast of

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the US. But how are we doing tonight, guys?

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Very good, very good.

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Yeah, it's been a good night. It's supposed to rain tomorrow,

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but overall it's been great.

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Perfect. I'm excited to talk to you. I've heard a

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little bit about what you guys have been up to.

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But I'm going to go ahead and give the floor

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right over to you. Guys. Feel free to share what

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kind of things you've been up to in the last

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time since we talked.

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We had a chance to go up to the squad

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Fest back in January. We were to talk to Matt

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Cliff Berkman. But before we went, the day before Squadfest,

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we had gone squatching in Oregon and that was a

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pretty good We had a signing a class a signing

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Doug and Carry. Actually I actually didn't see it, but

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I was there.

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Yeah. And during the whole course of the summer we

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have been going up into the Bluff Creek area. There's

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also another area east of Orleans we've been going into

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and had some interesting experiences. After our original discussion with

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you about the snowprints and then later having discussions with Cliff,

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and he really recommended we start casting prints. So we've

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been doing that and we've gotten some really nice prints.

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We're up to six now. We tried one method where

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you use the spray foam. It's not real effective, but

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the plaster paris we've been using and so interestingly, several

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of these prints are in the same area where we

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found those snow prints, so we know we're onto something

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in that area. We've had broken branches off trees, We've

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had tree knocks in the area. We even found what

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looked like a cave. Went back two weeks later and

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found that a tree had been broken and the entrance

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was covered, even though no humans had been there since

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we were last there. That was back in November. It's

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been really good. We're just definitely liking the fact that

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we seem to be in a really hot spot right now.

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We also got to talk with Tate during the summer,

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so that was nice and than easily they came in

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talked with us that when we were at Laos Camp

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and this last summer, so that was fun too, And

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we done some research going up into December of twenty

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twenty three. We had early snow, couldn't get very far,

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and then later it all melted and we actually made

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it miles past where we had found those prints. But

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just recently we had some cold weather and yesterday, as

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a matter of fact, we were looking in another area

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that's called the Right Place and we found some we

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cast a footprint, had some really interesting activity as well

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as tried to get up to a mile ten and

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we couldn't make it in our four wheel drive. We

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had to walk a quarter of a mile to get there.

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But no footprints this year so far. There anyway in

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the snow.

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Now the castings that you took near where the snow

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prints had been found, are they so? Are those similar

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size to the ones you had found, or do you

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think it could be the same individual or what are

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your thoughts as to what might be going on there?

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one in the in a little meadow that we camped

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out and in one up by a place up by

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the mountain, and they were both the same side thirteen

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by six as the snowprints. So we assume it's the

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same creature. Yeah.

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And what's interesting about that is one was on a

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hill and we had taken it to the NABC Museum

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that clip has and they looked at those prints and

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they go, that is a squatch. You could see the

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meta tarsal break in it. And it's so it's exciting

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to think that there is there's a big foot in

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that area that is staying in the area. And the

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one we found yesterday was bigger though the one at

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Wright's Place it's fifteen inches. Wow, So that's pretty exciting.

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I'll ask, and yeah, up to you if you want

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to answer. But is the right place in a similar

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area as to the snow tracks or is it totally

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separate area completely?

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It's similar as far as probably the elevation, it's not

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the same elevation, i'd say, or pretty closed, but it's

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probably six miles away, but it's on the other side. No,

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it's on the same side as Bluff Creek, right, Yeah,

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just the snowprints were found on the on the go road.

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Bright Place is off of Slake Creek Road, so it's

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a few miles away.

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In fact, Lake Creek Road and the right places where

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Tate and Jonathan they were going to do the Luck

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Creek hike that was going to be their first resupply spot.

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The gates locked right now, so we had to hike

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quite a it's about a little over three miles I

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think to the bottom. We didn't quite make it to

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the bottom, but quite a steep hike out, but the

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gate was locked. But we started walking down there and

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we had some good activity. Todd had some tree knocks

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because he waited back. We had found this one spot

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where we found a huge pile of scot and several

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prints in the area. We decided to cast one and

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it came out really nice. So then another person in

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the party, Caesar Sandoval, one of our friends that squatches

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with us a lot, factis, actually had two sightings. We

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walked down further and we didn't hear a whole lot,

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but Todd, we had walkie talkies, were starting to get

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a little bit more proficient, and he started saying that

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he was hearing stuff around him since we left him.

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But on the way back we found another pile of

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that same type of scot that hadn't been there when

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we hiked down. It was that fresh. We came to

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the conclusion that we were being watched and they were

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doing some things. So that's pretty exciting.

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I just I want to make sure I have a

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few things right, because I can picture of the map

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in my head a bit. So the area where they

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were going to have the first pretty much if they

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had kept going on their hike, they would have gone

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into an extremely squatchy area, which is what I can

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get from that. But they didn't make it because the

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rapids were pretty dang treacherous, as listeners probably will remember,

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that's ironic.

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Wow.

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Yeah, But in.

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Fact, if you see the rapids right now because it's spring,

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oh my goodness it Bluff Creek is just pure rapids,

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just whitewater. Fact, they're repairing the bridge right now, but

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just it's amazing to just think that. And what's amazing

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too is Fish Lake, which is up a Bluff Creek Road,

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is just literally across Bluff Creeks and it's not far

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from another famous place called Twin Lakes. But right now

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you can't get much past Right's place. We tried to

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go up the hill there further and ran into snow

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because we were thinking, oh wow, it's pretty melted. Let's

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try to get up to Cedar Camp. And we went

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about two miles past Wright's place up the hill and

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ran into huge amounts of snow. So that turned us back,

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and then we went to the go road and found

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the same issue.

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Was there a certain reason that you had chosen that

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area as a new research area, maybe things you had

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heard from other people or different types of research you'd

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done by yourself.

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We've seen video that I think Tate did extra footage

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and they were down at right's place and it's winter time,

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but maybe we can get down there and it'd be

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a nice place to get to in winter time. But unfortunately,

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if the gate wasn't locked, then we could have driven

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all the way down no problem. But instead we figured

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we just parked the truck and hiked down as far

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as we could. And that was the main reason, because

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we saw it on Tate's video. He had invited me

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to go with them. Okay, no, I'm not going up

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that creek. There's no way, No, there is no way

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that's going to happen. It. It's been hard.

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Yeah, hats off to them for trying. I'm so just

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fat flabberglass that no one got hurt on that hike.

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People should have gotten Logically, they should have gotten extremely hurt.

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Hats off to them. They were carrying dogs and all

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sorts of stuff made it.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, the dog made it through there.

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It'd be interesting to hear what comes out of that

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area in the future, because I know a lot of

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that that they were going to hike up is I

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don't think a lot of people have actually been in

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that area. There's not a lot of documentation further up

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on that creek.

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Access to it.

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Yeah, who knows what you'll find.

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But maybe if you get to Wright's Place, you probably

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hike up along the creek, but not in the creek.

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That may be a little easier. But from Wright's Place

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up to probably pretty close to Laos Camp, there's no

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roads that lead down to the Bluff Creek. It's really steep.

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One thing that really amazed me is just how thick

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the woods are in that area. It is. Just walking

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down that road, it was so squatchy. In fact, we

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found a culprit where they usually have creeks go down

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and it's dry, and yet two hundred yards below it

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there's a raging creek coming out of the ground. We

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didn't go down there because it was so steep, but

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it just shows there's got to be cave systems and

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all kinds of other things in the area. Even though

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people might go there in the summer because they could

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drive down the road. It's just that whole area. I

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tell you, I like that area. It really impressed me,

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and that's why what we've been doing. If you later

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we'll mention our website that we have or YouTube channel.

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We're starting to divide research areas into blocks of areas,

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and we're going to be spending time in those areas

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because we're just finding that. I just feel like there's

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a lot more squatches up there than people realize.

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You are looking into some different areas in the same area,

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and it sounds like you're starting to have some really

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interesting things happen. Hats off to you boats for and

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to Caesar, who I'll have to talk to him someday,

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maybe in the future. But the area of the rights

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Place area, did you see any evidence or anything that

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would lead you to think that it's maybe just one

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individual in that area or maybe multiple individuals, or it's

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hard to say with what you've seen.

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When I was walking back up the road by myself

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as Doug and Caesar left me, so I was alone

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and vulnerable, I had actually heard for different occasions where

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I had heard a voice, a small piece of chatter

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I had Once they left and they walked, they left,

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and I was sitting there and I started hearing a

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few things. But I'll just start walking up slowly, taking

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twenty steps, stop, taking twenty more steps, just going look slow.

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feet I heard three different chatters, small just a couple

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of little vocalizations, and then towards when I got towards

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the top, near near my truck or where we had

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that we casted that footprint. I pulled it out, picked

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up the bag, and I started walking up, and about

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thirty feet from there, I heard another one, and I

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heard a knock just after that, So it was there's

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at least one one individual there. I'm pretty sure there's

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probably two or three. One of the vocalizations sounded different

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than the other three.

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We did. Hear whistles too long, with long whistles.

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Not whistles like you hear from a bourbon. There are

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ten fifteen seconds long.

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Wow, are you actively recording audio when you're out there?

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No, we are in the process though.

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Yeah, we've got the point where we're videotaping it out.

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We're videoing it now. We just got to get to

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the next level.

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Yeah, can I twist your arms for you to start

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doing that? We have to throw oh, okay.

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To get it up and running. We have we're going

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to get sound equipment. We Yeah, we're getting there. We're

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casting now because Cliff really encouraged us to do it,

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so we're starting to try to at least get one

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cast every time we go out, and in defense of

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the big Foot Love Creek Project and Tate and Jonathan

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and all the guys that come over there, see, it's

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really hard when you can only come, say once a

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year and spend a week or two. It's almost like

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finding a needle in a haystack. But fortunately with us

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living close by, we can get up there a minimum

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of once a month, and sometimes we'll get up there two, three,

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four times a month. And we're even starting to investigate

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areas closer to where we live too, because there's a

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place Horse Mountain snow Camp, some other areas where even

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Fieldbrook has had reports of things going on, which is

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really close to our area. We just have the luxury

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of being able to do this. But Tate and Jonathan

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and Roden Reied and all the Bluff Creek Project, those

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guys are top notch researchers. It's just that they just

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don't have the opportunity like we have. And also lately

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we're talking with the Willow Creek Bigfoot Museum and we're

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going to be getting connected with them a little more too,

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so that's exciting. There's a guy named Eric there that

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is really getting things together, getting some stories from different

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people in the area, so you can see why, even

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though we've had a side in Oregon, we're like focusing

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on this area because this is our home and we

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really like it. But whenever you're wanting to hear more

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about the actual sighting, we'll get into that too.

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Oh yeah, absolutely, for just in case some of the listeners,

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just to make sure they're aware. So yeah, the Bluff

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Creek Project, those guys, the Patterson Gimlin film site would

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not be what it is today without their help of

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making sure that it is taking care of, cleaned up

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all that good stuff. Bigfoot World owes them a unspeakable

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amount of gratitude. And yeah, those guys super researchers. I

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wouldn't have been able to have my time out in

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the field in Iowa without taste. Big for Society will

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be right back after these messages. So love those guys

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so much. Did you mentioned the Willow Creek. Is that

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China Flats Museum? Is that the one you're referring to? Yes, yes, okay,

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that's really interesting. I have to keep an eye on that.

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Eric Nelson is our contact there. He's been working there

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for I think a year now and he's trying to

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get it more into the Bigfoot themes, because that's what

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you said, people that come in there. Nine nine percent

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of people that come in are asking about Bigfoot.

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Yeah, absolutely, and I would hope that they are. I'm

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glad that they are right, because, yeah, Willow Creek, that's

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hopefully what it is known for. But exciting stuff going

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down there in the Bluff Creek area. But Doug, I

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would love to hear about your class A sighting that

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you had mentioned before about what had happened.

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Yeah, it's I can probably thank Todd for the fact that, see,

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this is our second my second year of going to

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Squatch Best Stuff in Longview, Washington, which is January twenty

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sixth through the twenty seventh, and said, hey, why don't

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we go up a couple days early do a little

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squatching before we go to the conference and just see

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if we find something. And I never expected anything. We

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didn't bring any casting material or anything like that. But

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so anyway, we drive up Wednesday and wait, yeah, Wednesday, Yeah,

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we get up there Wednesday, and so we just got

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up there, book our motel and so forth, and Thursday

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morning we decided, hey, let's go up to Mount Saint Helens.

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That was January twenty fifth, two thousand. So we go

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up there trying to get to a place called eight Cave,

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but there was just two feet of snow. The snow

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plows had just and it was raining. It was barely

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above freezing. You could barely jump out of the car

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and get anywhere. So we were going, Wow, this isn't

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turn out too well. Lots of road damage. Almost every

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place was closed. So Todd was, hey, I know this,

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there's a break in the weather down in Oregon. Maybe

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we should go down there. So the Mount Hood area,

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there's like a four hour break. We ate lunch and

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made our way down there, and to start driving up

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the road to Mount Hood and it was getting pretty

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icy and I had a migraine headache, so I wasn't

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super happy about that. So we turned around and decided

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to go a little lower down this road called Sleepy

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Hall of Road I believe it was. And then we

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go up this road and find a trail called the

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Sandy Ridge Trail, so we thought we'd hop out. It

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was a lock gate, it's a bike trail. It's BLM

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land Bureau of Land Management Land so here we are

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just don't know anything about this area, but we just decided, hey,

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this looks good. There's a lock gate, there's a road.

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At least we could walk up and just do something.

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So we did a couple of tree docks, didn't hear

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much activity, walked up further. There was a nice river there,

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and we got close to a half mile up and

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all of a sudden we heard a tree knock, and we're

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going like wow. Carrie said, hey, do you guys hear that?

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We go, yeah, now we heard that. So I was

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up about thirty forty feet above Carrie walking up the road.

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Carrie is in the middle, and Todd was down about

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thirty forty feet below him. And it was so funny

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because Carrie was saying, I don't think this area is

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very squatchy, tell you the truth. But to me it

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looked squatchy because it was alders. There were ferns, bushes, huckleberries,

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douglas fur all mossy and so forth. And so we're

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just walking up and all of a sudden, Carrie goes,

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I heard another tree knock, and Tod and I said,

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we didn't hear it. And then all of a sudden

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he started looking to the left about sixty yards off

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the trail, though at first we thought it was a

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little closer, but after Cliff went out there, we realized

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how big this thing was. Because it's amazing when you

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have a smaller human go out there and see the

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difference that you just go wow. But anyway, he saw

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this thing standing by the tree lately. He said, he

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noticed it was doing something with its hands, and they

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made eye contact, and he said, you guys, see that,

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and he pointed to it, and he pointed to it.

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So he looked over there, and I started just darting

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around like this. And then I paused because because I

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was like trying to literally process what I was seeing.

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I saw a sasquatch just upright, just dart through. It

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was like gliding. It was so quick. I've never seen

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anything so quick, just that. It was like moving just

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full speed like this. And I saw it for about

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two three seconds and then it was obscured in the trees.

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And then Todd, unfortunately was a little lower, so I

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think the trees blocked his view.

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Actually, I when he said that, I ran up to

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where he was, and by the time I got there,

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was gone. If I were looked over well or is

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that I probably would have saw it, but I got

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up to where he was at looked over and too late.

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But oh well, yeah. So I always used to say

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I got to see it to believe it because I'm

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a skeptic. Now I've seen it and I'm like, wow,

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these things are real, and so I'm just glad I

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saw it, and Kerry thought maybe I hadn't seen it

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because I didn't answer for a couple of seconds. But seriously,

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when you see something like that, your mind's just processing

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it and going what am I seeing? Because I knew

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it wasn't an elk, wasn't a deer, wasn't a mountain lion.

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It just blew me away and I got a pretty

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good look at it. It didn't look at me, but

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Harry actually got it. Literally they made eye contact and

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it just took off.

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Definitely have a few questions for you. Did it match

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up with what you had had I'm sure we all

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have a mental picture of what we think sasquatch looks

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based on what we've read research. Did it match up

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with that or were there things where you were like,

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I wasn't expecting what I'm seeing, right, now.

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In my case, Carrie said, what color was it? What

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you see Doug? And I go, it was reddish brown,

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and he goes, no, it was a really distinct brown

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and there was some white on it, because he actually

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I didn't see the white, so to me, it was

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like it was gonna rangutan looking type creature. But once

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he found a picture on the internet, I said, oh,

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that's what I saw. So it was just our description

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was just different on color, but we actually saw the

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same thing. I just was calling it reddish brown and

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he was calling it a distinct brown. I just didn't see.

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He said it looked like it was grain a little

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bit in the chin area and on the chest. But

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I'd say about the only thing that maybe I didn't

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expect is Clip described it really well. He said, it's

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almost where you see hair hanging down like the or

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the leather. That's what I saw. But it was not

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real huge, but it was definitely tall. It maybe not slender,

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but just not quite as But the head, the back,

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the hair flowing from it, its shoulders, and its waist

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were just what I would expect to see and from

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Pattie and so forth, and just the arms moving and

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I've just never seen anything move so fast. That's what

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I think surprised me the most, was just it was

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just gone. And when we went out there later, you

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just realize that if one of us tried to run

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in there, you had tripp him five feet because there

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were ferns, there were bushes just about a foot and

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a half deep. Because I only saw from a mid

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cap up and I figured it was seven feet tall.

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But once Cliff went out there and was standing out

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there and I saw it, how big he was compared

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to it was probably closer to eight feet tall. Wow.

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On a Thursday. Yeah, And then we went back out

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there on Sunday with Cliff and Matt Pruitt and there

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was a he found having to say, probably ten print,

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ten footprints on the ground. From that he found that

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the prince where he was standing, and then he said

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it ran about sixty yards and then it sat back

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it stopped again, So it was probably watching us as

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we left. He went back there that he was there

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Sunday with us, and then he'd gone back a few

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more times with his guys from the museum and they

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found more prints. I think he cast it like ten

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or twelve prints just from that site.

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Yeah, and they found dozens of prints. They ended up

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being able to track it back up to the river

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that we had seen, but because of the ice storms

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that had happened a few weeks before, they lost it

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because there's a bunch of fur bows down and it

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went through the area we had seen it for over

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one hundred yards and then they saw where it had

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jumped over a log that was laying down and just

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sat there. They got handprints too, where it was just

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waiting for us to go. So just hearing what Cliff

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had found and what just watching him cast and how

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he was tracking really caught us a lot. That guy

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is amazing. But the behavior that it just ran off

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like sixty yards and stopped just was really good information

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that I'm going to be more cognizant of now because

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if we do see him run off, they may not

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go very far. They're just going far enough to get

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out of our eyesight and they're going to be watching us.

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And so that was really good information. Some might wonder

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why we didn't go out there Thursday to look for prints,

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but there was like four inches of snow on the

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ground there and I started walking into it and it

460
00:25:58.000 --> 00:26:00.480
was getting to be four o'clock. Then it started and

461
00:26:00.519 --> 00:26:02.960
we're like, and I had a bad migraine. We all said,

462
00:26:02.960 --> 00:26:05.880
we got to get back to the motel. Maybe we'll

463
00:26:05.880 --> 00:26:08.559
mention it to Cliff. And it rained all weekend, so

464
00:26:08.680 --> 00:26:12.200
most of the snow was melted by someday. We probably

465
00:26:12.759 --> 00:26:16.079
deteriorated the tracks a little, but we did find two

466
00:26:17.079 --> 00:26:21.519
a partial snow slash print and then one foli in

467
00:26:21.680 --> 00:26:25.079
snow that Cliff saw, and then all the other ones

468
00:26:25.119 --> 00:26:27.160
he got it and they were in the fifteen to

469
00:26:27.240 --> 00:26:28.440
sixteen inch range.

470
00:26:28.799 --> 00:26:29.240
Wow.

471
00:26:29.480 --> 00:26:31.640
And then we find out later that there had been

472
00:26:31.680 --> 00:26:33.680
sightings there a few decades ago.

473
00:26:34.240 --> 00:26:36.160
Okay, the Prince cast in that.

474
00:26:36.200 --> 00:26:38.440
Area, and it's only a few miles from his house,

475
00:26:38.440 --> 00:26:40.039
which we had no idea.

476
00:26:40.559 --> 00:26:42.440
He was happy to know that it's probably the same

477
00:26:42.480 --> 00:26:44.559
squash that he's been tracking around his house.

478
00:26:45.240 --> 00:26:48.160
I would say, absolutely, That's probably one of the best

479
00:26:48.440 --> 00:26:50.720
Christmas presents you could ever give to Cliff, is to

480
00:26:50.759 --> 00:26:54.519
be like, hey, here's some solid action a few miles

481
00:26:54.519 --> 00:26:58.119
away from where you're at. Man, that is really cool.

482
00:26:58.519 --> 00:27:01.640
Did he say who had cast the footprints in that

483
00:27:01.759 --> 00:27:05.519
area a few decades back? You were saying, or he's.

484
00:27:05.319 --> 00:27:09.920
Only casting any princes, but there was some sightings okay

485
00:27:10.119 --> 00:27:12.880
area and a couple of miles away. Yeah. Actually there

486
00:27:12.920 --> 00:27:15.400
was another sighting a couple of miles away a few

487
00:27:15.440 --> 00:27:16.000
days later.

488
00:27:16.680 --> 00:27:16.960
Yeah.

489
00:27:17.119 --> 00:27:19.880
Really, so then that was probably the I think he

490
00:27:19.960 --> 00:27:22.640
got more cast from that area too, Yeah.

491
00:27:22.400 --> 00:27:25.359
He did. And so he's going to give us. He's

492
00:27:25.400 --> 00:27:30.559
presented some of these prints on the NABC, so we've

493
00:27:30.599 --> 00:27:32.720
seen those and he's eventually going to put the videos

494
00:27:32.720 --> 00:27:34.599
because he was recording this while we were doing this.

495
00:27:34.680 --> 00:27:36.839
And to be quite honest, you have a signing like

496
00:27:36.920 --> 00:27:39.319
that and it's a squatch fest and you're thinking, oh, yeah,

497
00:27:39.440 --> 00:27:42.319
you see a big but and it's just about squatchfest.

498
00:27:42.359 --> 00:27:45.680
So I was like really nervous, thinking, I sure hope

499
00:27:45.680 --> 00:27:49.200
he finds something, because he might think, oh, what are

500
00:27:49.200 --> 00:27:51.079
these guys up to? They got big pot on the

501
00:27:51.119 --> 00:27:55.599
brain or something. And fortunately he started finding the prince

502
00:27:55.680 --> 00:27:58.640
and then just legitimized everything, and so we were really

503
00:27:58.680 --> 00:28:02.240
relieved about that. Incidentally, to the day we were there,

504
00:28:02.920 --> 00:28:06.119
Melissa and Matt Krue were there and I sat her

505
00:28:06.200 --> 00:28:09.039
seeing movement and I could see what looked like a

506
00:28:09.079 --> 00:28:11.000
deer and I go, I think it's a deer, and sure,

507
00:28:11.119 --> 00:28:14.240
enough I flushed it out. And that was one thing

508
00:28:14.279 --> 00:28:16.759
Melissa had told Matt, Hey, if those guys had big

509
00:28:16.839 --> 00:28:18.359
foot on the brain, he would have said, oh, that's

510
00:28:18.359 --> 00:28:21.599
a big foot. But I know the differends. I can

511
00:28:21.640 --> 00:28:24.079
identify what a bear is. In fact, we saw a

512
00:28:24.119 --> 00:28:27.000
bear yesterday too, Todd and Caesar did while we were

513
00:28:27.680 --> 00:28:30.559
doing that area, in another spot we had gone to,

514
00:28:30.759 --> 00:28:34.160
so we know our animals. It's just also one of

515
00:28:34.160 --> 00:28:35.759
those things up there.

516
00:28:35.839 --> 00:28:38.200
When we were on that Sunday we were up there

517
00:28:38.200 --> 00:28:41.680
with a Cliff and Matt and his wife. Matt and

518
00:28:41.680 --> 00:28:46.519
his wife were walking around, they found two elk spinal

519
00:28:46.599 --> 00:28:51.240
cords really and yeah, in the ferns and just laying there.

520
00:28:51.680 --> 00:28:56.000
So it's obviously a spot that something is killing as

521
00:28:56.119 --> 00:28:59.599
Killy's elk, a couple of elks, man, and I'm sure

522
00:28:59.599 --> 00:29:04.480
it's a squatch that's killing the elk. Yeah, two spinal cords,

523
00:29:04.480 --> 00:29:05.559
which was pretty cool.

524
00:29:06.079 --> 00:29:08.319
And I think the more I remember, I think it

525
00:29:08.359 --> 00:29:10.920
was John Green that may have been the one that

526
00:29:11.000 --> 00:29:13.720
reported in one of his books about sightings in that

527
00:29:13.880 --> 00:29:17.400
very same area, because Cliff had done researching it happened

528
00:29:17.440 --> 00:29:19.920
twenty or thirty years before, so he says, you guys

529
00:29:19.960 --> 00:29:23.480
are in an area where there's been sightings, and so

530
00:29:23.519 --> 00:29:25.759
they were pretty excited. They were going back and they

531
00:29:26.039 --> 00:29:27.920
they went back at least three or four times and

532
00:29:28.000 --> 00:29:31.680
kept finding more evidence. He's getting closer in that area.

533
00:29:32.400 --> 00:29:34.039
Who is Who's Carrie?

534
00:29:34.559 --> 00:29:38.079
Harry is my brother in law. He was, He's he

535
00:29:38.160 --> 00:29:41.200
was with us, he saw it first. He's he was

536
00:29:41.200 --> 00:29:44.559
with us when we had the snowprints. Yeah, but usually

537
00:29:44.599 --> 00:29:46.200
when we do these. The last time when we did

538
00:29:46.200 --> 00:29:48.240
the podcast with you, he was out of town, but

539
00:29:48.400 --> 00:29:51.559
he wasn't available. Same as tonight. He's out of town,

540
00:29:51.599 --> 00:29:52.799
so he's out of town a lot.

541
00:29:52.920 --> 00:29:56.000
So is he a bigfoot guy?

542
00:29:56.400 --> 00:29:58.960
Oh? Yeah, big kind Okay, cool, thanks to me.

543
00:30:00.720 --> 00:30:01.680
I got you, I got you?

544
00:30:01.799 --> 00:30:07.519
Yeah yeah nice. Yeah, he's relatively new. And it's funny

545
00:30:07.559 --> 00:30:09.799
because I don't know what it is about him being

546
00:30:09.880 --> 00:30:12.839
with us, but we always seem to have really good

547
00:30:12.880 --> 00:30:16.240
success when he's around, even though he's relatively new.

548
00:30:16.839 --> 00:30:19.640
Big for society will be right back after these messages.

549
00:30:35.640 --> 00:30:39.720
He just has that knack where we been pounding the

550
00:30:39.759 --> 00:30:44.279
pavement for years, just getting little increments of evidence, and

551
00:30:44.440 --> 00:30:46.839
he just happens to be around when we get good

552
00:30:46.960 --> 00:30:48.960
sighting or something. We're like, Wow, that's good.

553
00:30:49.559 --> 00:30:53.599
May want to talk to Carrie. I don't know if

554
00:30:53.640 --> 00:30:56.599
you can put in a good word for me Todd

555
00:30:56.720 --> 00:31:01.799
as being his relative, that might be cool. Did what

556
00:31:01.880 --> 00:31:06.319
you saw? Did that affect what you had thought of

557
00:31:06.359 --> 00:31:09.480
what Bigfoot is prior at all?

558
00:31:10.160 --> 00:31:15.160
It verified to me what I expected, because I know

559
00:31:15.279 --> 00:31:19.319
that people sometimes think it's paranormal and this and that,

560
00:31:19.359 --> 00:31:22.359
but I've always been under the impression that it's a

561
00:31:22.400 --> 00:31:27.640
great American ape. That because I'm reading Matt Krutz book

562
00:31:27.720 --> 00:31:31.880
right now and just seeing the natives and their history

563
00:31:32.720 --> 00:31:35.680
and how they've found all kinds of ape type ape

564
00:31:35.799 --> 00:31:40.200
like things in North America. But the reason why it's

565
00:31:40.279 --> 00:31:43.440
never been pursued that much is because zoologists immediately say

566
00:31:43.440 --> 00:31:45.640
there's no apes in North America, so it can't be

567
00:31:45.680 --> 00:31:48.720
an ape. It's got to be something superstitious or spirit,

568
00:31:49.559 --> 00:31:53.000
whereas all the native cultures always have it as a

569
00:31:53.039 --> 00:31:57.839
real thing, the boss of the woods. So the fact

570
00:31:57.839 --> 00:32:00.880
that I'd now seen it and it looked to me

571
00:32:01.119 --> 00:32:04.720
similar to it an orangutang but obviously different, like a

572
00:32:04.759 --> 00:32:09.200
giant pithecus type thing, It's just verified to me that

573
00:32:09.279 --> 00:32:12.599
there's something out there, and it's just very elusive. And

574
00:32:12.880 --> 00:32:15.359
sometimes people when they've had a sighting, they go, Okay,

575
00:32:15.400 --> 00:32:18.039
that's good, I'm done. I don't need to do anymore.

576
00:32:18.079 --> 00:32:23.559
But for me, I'd really like to still get even

577
00:32:23.680 --> 00:32:29.079
more verifiable evidence because the bigfoot community is often just

578
00:32:29.200 --> 00:32:33.920
treated like, hey, guys are a bunch of non intelligent people.

579
00:32:34.039 --> 00:32:36.960
But there's a lot of smart people in this area,

580
00:32:37.000 --> 00:32:43.000
and just like the Ape of Africa, same type of things,

581
00:32:43.119 --> 00:32:45.680
or the tiger, people would say, oh, they do this

582
00:32:45.839 --> 00:32:49.359
and that, and once the knowledge gets out there and

583
00:32:49.440 --> 00:32:52.680
the actual logic enters the picture, then they realize that

584
00:32:53.400 --> 00:32:56.880
these things are real. So in the same way, now

585
00:32:56.920 --> 00:33:01.720
that I've seen that, I'd like to see some more. Actually, yeah,

586
00:33:01.799 --> 00:33:04.680
to see them get protected like other animals.

587
00:33:05.119 --> 00:33:08.359
It's really interesting because some people when they have that sighting,

588
00:33:09.319 --> 00:33:12.799
it seems like there's no middle ground. There's either I'm

589
00:33:12.839 --> 00:33:14.920
freaked out and I never want to see that again,

590
00:33:15.200 --> 00:33:20.319
or I want to make sure that these things don't

591
00:33:20.319 --> 00:33:23.680
become extinct. So that's cool you have that you had

592
00:33:23.680 --> 00:33:26.079
that reaction. I don't know if there's like a right

593
00:33:26.160 --> 00:33:29.359
or wrong reaction per se. Yeah, I hope hopefully someday

594
00:33:29.519 --> 00:33:33.400
I'm able to see one as well. We'll see. I'm

595
00:33:33.440 --> 00:33:35.359
headed out. I don't think I told you this, but

596
00:33:35.359 --> 00:33:39.119
I'm headed out to Oregon this this July to the

597
00:33:39.200 --> 00:33:40.039
Oakridge area.

598
00:33:40.359 --> 00:33:42.119
So wow.

599
00:33:42.680 --> 00:33:45.680
So well, we try to get some interviews and who

600
00:33:45.720 --> 00:33:48.200
knows what will happen out there. But Todd, do you

601
00:33:48.279 --> 00:33:51.559
mind sharing a bit you had I think in earlier

602
00:33:51.680 --> 00:33:54.200
You guys have a YouTube channel that you've started to

603
00:33:54.240 --> 00:33:54.640
work on.

604
00:33:55.319 --> 00:33:59.920
Yeah, it's a Bigfoot wilderness research and we've been basic

605
00:34:00.200 --> 00:34:03.680
documenting our research. Every time we go out, we filmed it.

606
00:34:03.720 --> 00:34:06.920
Whether we find something or we don't. We record what

607
00:34:06.960 --> 00:34:11.360
we are hiking, We record what we find we don't find.

608
00:34:12.079 --> 00:34:16.280
We are planning on doing a couple nine day events

609
00:34:16.320 --> 00:34:19.960
this week this summer up in the six National Force

610
00:34:20.760 --> 00:34:24.239
nine day camping slash Bigfoot of research trips in a

611
00:34:24.239 --> 00:34:28.239
couple of areas or actually we'll probably coming four four

612
00:34:28.280 --> 00:34:33.440
areas and we're hoping to have a documentary on these

613
00:34:34.559 --> 00:34:36.760
these four areas and we'll be putting that on our

614
00:34:36.960 --> 00:34:37.719
YouTube channel.

615
00:34:38.239 --> 00:34:41.480
That's really exciting to hear. Now, are these areas that

616
00:34:42.199 --> 00:34:47.079
you've been researching ahead of time or that you've just

617
00:34:47.159 --> 00:34:50.679
heard from people? Hey, it's probably a good idea to

618
00:34:50.760 --> 00:34:54.519
check out this particular area. The Siskew's the first nine

619
00:34:54.599 --> 00:34:55.000
day trip.

620
00:34:55.079 --> 00:34:58.960
We're going to be probably the first half camping allows

621
00:34:59.039 --> 00:35:01.960
camp but not obviously not research in that area, but

622
00:35:02.400 --> 00:35:07.719
going in areas up along the Lonesome Ridge Road. Research

623
00:35:07.800 --> 00:35:10.280
in those areas that we've driven through but never did

624
00:35:10.519 --> 00:35:14.639
extensive research in. Also Elk Valley. That's going to be

625
00:35:14.639 --> 00:35:17.639
part of our first trip, but the second trip, we're

626
00:35:17.679 --> 00:35:19.800
going to be going into a couple areas that we've

627
00:35:20.280 --> 00:35:22.800
cut our way into a year and a half of

628
00:35:23.079 --> 00:35:26.239
or so, so we're going to be really these areas

629
00:35:26.360 --> 00:35:29.480
no one has gone has been down there for years. Wow,

630
00:35:29.880 --> 00:35:33.800
those areas were really interested in getting down One area

631
00:35:33.880 --> 00:35:37.800
is like towards the headwaters of Bluff Creek, the north

632
00:35:37.920 --> 00:35:41.800
side and the headwater, So we're interested in getting down

633
00:35:41.840 --> 00:35:44.280
in that area and seeing what's down there. I don't

634
00:35:44.280 --> 00:35:47.239
think anyone has been down there a long time.

635
00:35:47.840 --> 00:35:50.559
Yeah, and definitely in the region of where we found

636
00:35:50.639 --> 00:35:54.000
those snowprints too. We've been really heavily hit in that

637
00:35:54.079 --> 00:35:57.360
area and we just keep we almost get the feeling

638
00:35:57.559 --> 00:36:03.880
that we're getting communication from the community, the Sasquatch community

639
00:36:03.880 --> 00:36:07.840
in that area because we find cedar trees just snapped off.

640
00:36:07.920 --> 00:36:12.000
We've had loud tree knocks every time we go there.

641
00:36:12.119 --> 00:36:14.920
We're getting something, so it's almost I don't know if

642
00:36:14.920 --> 00:36:19.360
they're upset that we discovered that they're in the area

643
00:36:19.519 --> 00:36:23.199
or what it is. But that's one thing though I

644
00:36:23.239 --> 00:36:28.440
would always caution everybody is we realize that these are

645
00:36:29.480 --> 00:36:33.639
creatures that sometimes they say, oh they look human, but

646
00:36:33.760 --> 00:36:38.320
they are animals, so we need to Fortunately, they haven't

647
00:36:38.360 --> 00:36:42.320
been aggressive like they are in Alaska. When I heard

648
00:36:42.400 --> 00:36:44.679
some of the stories of Alaska, I'm like, I don't

649
00:36:44.719 --> 00:36:46.440
think I ever want to roll up there because those

650
00:36:46.480 --> 00:36:49.639
they need to want to kill humans, whereas so far

651
00:36:49.960 --> 00:36:53.159
up to this point they seem to be a little

652
00:36:53.159 --> 00:36:57.039
more curious of us and not dangerous. But I don't

653
00:36:57.039 --> 00:36:58.480
want to ever push the envelope.

654
00:36:58.960 --> 00:37:02.800
Absolutely as I won't really say which one, but one

655
00:37:02.840 --> 00:37:06.679
of the locations you mentioned I've heard of before as

656
00:37:06.679 --> 00:37:12.159
being a pretty intense area, So I'm very interested to

657
00:37:12.199 --> 00:37:15.199
see what happens. Yeah.

658
00:37:15.639 --> 00:37:19.800
Never Actually we've never camped in that area. We've been

659
00:37:19.840 --> 00:37:21.880
there a couple of times, but we wanted to spend

660
00:37:22.840 --> 00:37:26.440
a few days there, three or four nights and research

661
00:37:26.519 --> 00:37:30.039
that whole area, doing the hikes in different areas and

662
00:37:30.079 --> 00:37:33.199
seeing what we can do. There's three three creeks that

663
00:37:33.920 --> 00:37:37.320
their headwaters is in that area. It starts from there,

664
00:37:37.480 --> 00:37:40.360
Dylan Creek, Blue Creek, and I think there's another one

665
00:37:40.400 --> 00:37:44.559
that starts in that valley that sounds like it seems

666
00:37:44.559 --> 00:37:46.280
like it'd be a good place to do a long

667
00:37:46.360 --> 00:37:48.280
term research plan.

668
00:37:49.039 --> 00:37:52.320
Absolutely, there's a few questions I want to ask you guys,

669
00:37:52.760 --> 00:37:55.960
just I'm curious what the answers will be. Have you

670
00:37:56.039 --> 00:38:01.280
ever heard anything among your years of bigfoot research that

671
00:38:01.760 --> 00:38:05.800
if the situation had happened to you, you would be

672
00:38:05.960 --> 00:38:09.039
very cautious about going into the field again.

673
00:38:09.719 --> 00:38:13.400
I have heard some pretty hair raising things. In fact,

674
00:38:13.599 --> 00:38:18.519
I ended up purchasing a book by Robert Alli, and

675
00:38:18.599 --> 00:38:22.320
it's about a lot of Alaska experiences. He has experiences,

676
00:38:22.360 --> 00:38:25.679
and when I started reading that, I was like, man,

677
00:38:26.199 --> 00:38:31.360
it just those bigfoot up there, not all of them,

678
00:38:31.360 --> 00:38:34.599
but some of them have chased people and done this

679
00:38:34.679 --> 00:38:38.760
and done that, and it just tells me that we

680
00:38:38.880 --> 00:38:42.039
have to be cautious. I don't carry a firearm, we

681
00:38:42.239 --> 00:38:46.320
just carry Caesar's carrying bear spray. So that's a good

682
00:38:46.360 --> 00:38:49.400
idea he was practicing a little bit. I carry a knife,

683
00:38:49.400 --> 00:38:52.639
and Todd carry is a pretty big knife. He laughs

684
00:38:52.679 --> 00:38:56.559
about my little knife. But I just realized that like

685
00:38:56.639 --> 00:38:59.719
a bear, bears generally run from you, but there could

686
00:38:59.719 --> 00:39:02.679
always be that one bear that might attack you. Same

687
00:39:02.679 --> 00:39:04.920
thing with a mountain lion. I know recently I heard

688
00:39:05.159 --> 00:39:08.239
a mountainline killed like a twenty year old up in

689
00:39:08.360 --> 00:39:14.239
Sacramento area. So there's always that risk. It's very slight.

690
00:39:15.119 --> 00:39:17.519
But I don't think I would back off if I

691
00:39:17.559 --> 00:39:21.599
knew these things, because I just have the interest of

692
00:39:21.639 --> 00:39:25.280
what is not known in this I have that curiosity.

693
00:39:25.320 --> 00:39:28.199
I'd like to be on the cutting edge of just

694
00:39:28.239 --> 00:39:33.480
getting not just a sighting, but just proof, just to

695
00:39:33.800 --> 00:39:37.360
laid a rest because Hatterson Gimmlin film, to me, is

696
00:39:37.639 --> 00:39:40.119
very good proof. And the more they investigate that thing,

697
00:39:40.119 --> 00:39:44.119
the more they validate. And then there's been some others

698
00:39:44.119 --> 00:39:47.559
like the Freeman films, and Jonathan has a really nice

699
00:39:47.599 --> 00:39:50.440
documentary on the Freedman film as a matter of facts,

700
00:39:52.239 --> 00:39:55.320
So I think if we all collectively keep doing what

701
00:39:55.320 --> 00:39:58.679
we're doing, it's going to come to fruition. So I'm

702
00:39:58.679 --> 00:40:00.400
not backing off. I'm keeping the them.

703
00:40:00.280 --> 00:40:05.360
Forward all the encounters we've had have been non aggressive,

704
00:40:05.440 --> 00:40:08.920
but you get that one aggressive encounter and it may

705
00:40:09.039 --> 00:40:12.960
change the whole thing. Hopefully it won't, but you know,

706
00:40:13.039 --> 00:40:16.840
while animal that charges that you, you may have may

707
00:40:17.000 --> 00:40:18.159
change your whole out look on.

708
00:40:18.840 --> 00:40:21.639
I am I'm thinking it something though, because we have

709
00:40:21.679 --> 00:40:24.679
another place east of Orleans up in the mountains, going

710
00:40:24.719 --> 00:40:30.599
towards the Hoopa Reservation, which is behind a known sasquatch area,

711
00:40:31.320 --> 00:40:34.440
and I had a tree get broken because Todd and

712
00:40:34.519 --> 00:40:36.760
Kerry were actually left me and I was just cleaning

713
00:40:36.840 --> 00:40:39.639
up the truck because we had heard some We had

714
00:40:39.920 --> 00:40:42.639
been hiking around and we had heard found some tree

715
00:40:42.679 --> 00:40:45.519
breaks and we were almost thought we heard chattering air

716
00:40:45.559 --> 00:40:47.320
of the truck. But we came back down to eat

717
00:40:47.400 --> 00:40:50.400
lunch and some a flock of geese flew over. We

718
00:40:50.480 --> 00:40:53.320
heard something making a call like geese, but it didn't

719
00:40:53.320 --> 00:40:57.199
sound like geese, almost like it was a sasquatch, really close,

720
00:40:57.239 --> 00:41:00.840
but just a little different. So those guys start hiking

721
00:41:00.880 --> 00:41:03.119
off and I'm just cleaning up, and also I heard

722
00:41:03.159 --> 00:41:07.360
this in this tree branch is just twenty feet long.

723
00:41:07.559 --> 00:41:09.840
It's just thrown out. I saw it out of the

724
00:41:09.880 --> 00:41:14.239
side of my vision and I just freaked out and

725
00:41:14.280 --> 00:41:16.440
I ran up and Todd goes man Hey said, my

726
00:41:16.480 --> 00:41:18.840
eyes looked like this, because that was one moment I

727
00:41:18.880 --> 00:41:21.519
got really scared. That happened the summer, and we did

728
00:41:21.679 --> 00:41:25.119
make a print. We used that spray stuff and we

729
00:41:25.280 --> 00:41:27.559
decided to plaster our Paris is better. It's about a

730
00:41:27.559 --> 00:41:31.000
fourteen inch print. So that's another research area we've done.

731
00:41:31.559 --> 00:41:33.599
And then there is one time which I think we

732
00:41:33.679 --> 00:41:37.079
may have mentioned years ago, and this is Caesar actually

733
00:41:37.079 --> 00:41:39.360
had a sighting, so if you want to talk to him,

734
00:41:39.400 --> 00:41:42.320
we'll talk to him and try to look you up

735
00:41:42.360 --> 00:41:45.599
with him on that too. But in the Trinity Alps area,

736
00:41:46.000 --> 00:41:50.920
in the in the Wobole Gulch area undisclosed location, we

737
00:41:51.000 --> 00:41:55.960
did get a couple really threatening tree knocks the day

738
00:41:56.000 --> 00:41:59.079
after he had his sighting because we found a nest.

739
00:41:58.480 --> 00:42:02.599
We found literally what we call is like a bigfoot

740
00:42:02.679 --> 00:42:07.519
bathroom because we found just scat everywhere in a huge area.

741
00:42:08.320 --> 00:42:11.599
That was just when we got really close to that area,

742
00:42:11.719 --> 00:42:14.559
we kept getting krenocks louder and louder. Finally at that

743
00:42:14.599 --> 00:42:18.159
point we got one so loud that we all agree

744
00:42:18.440 --> 00:42:20.800
that was a threat. I think it's time for us

745
00:42:20.840 --> 00:42:21.239
to leave.

746
00:42:22.000 --> 00:42:24.320
It was close. It was like thirty yards away, and

747
00:42:24.679 --> 00:42:27.159
you could feel it in your body, just just loud,

748
00:42:27.239 --> 00:42:31.360
just crash. And yeah, we said, yeah, let's let's hit out,

749
00:42:31.840 --> 00:42:33.079
and they follow us out too.

750
00:42:33.599 --> 00:42:34.119
Oh wow.

751
00:42:34.280 --> 00:42:38.880
Yeah, it's good to hear that. You guys are ready

752
00:42:38.960 --> 00:42:42.159
to keep going. Even if you hear some wild stuff,

753
00:42:42.199 --> 00:42:45.039
you're still wanting to keep going, So that is good.

754
00:42:45.760 --> 00:42:48.920
The other question I had for you guys is have

755
00:42:49.159 --> 00:42:54.719
you ever had any conversations with forestry workers or the

756
00:42:54.800 --> 00:42:59.440
equivalents around those areas about bigfoot? And how did those

757
00:42:59.679 --> 00:43:00.760
kind of versations go.

758
00:43:01.599 --> 00:43:05.400
I was, I was doing a saraphal for this older couple.

759
00:43:06.000 --> 00:43:10.400
Now I'm a plumber part time, and I saw a

760
00:43:10.440 --> 00:43:14.320
bigfoot little sticker on on the bed table, the side

761
00:43:14.360 --> 00:43:17.320
side table. They said we believe, And I asked the

762
00:43:17.360 --> 00:43:19.519
wife and she said, oh, he's a believer. He was.

763
00:43:20.400 --> 00:43:23.840
He was in the lumber industry for forty years and

764
00:43:24.039 --> 00:43:26.639
he had told me that he saw a squash like

765
00:43:26.760 --> 00:43:30.760
four times. They found prince all over the place, and

766
00:43:30.800 --> 00:43:34.679
he said they were told not to say anything about

767
00:43:36.519 --> 00:43:40.320
seeing a bigfoot or seeing their prince. So he saw

768
00:43:40.440 --> 00:43:44.599
a couple by like Tahoe one in the by Yosemite

769
00:43:44.679 --> 00:43:47.320
and then one in the Trinity Alps because he was

770
00:43:47.360 --> 00:43:49.800
in the lumber industry for years, and he said he

771
00:43:49.920 --> 00:43:53.239
they saw Prince foot foot prints all the time. But

772
00:43:53.320 --> 00:43:56.000
he was he's eighty years old now, but it was

773
00:43:56.039 --> 00:43:59.079
an interesting talk talking to him and listened to his

774
00:43:59.159 --> 00:44:02.800
stories and he was pretty pre convincing.

775
00:44:03.440 --> 00:44:07.679
And then this past fall we ran into a forest

776
00:44:07.719 --> 00:44:11.400
service guy. This was after the fires and everything, and

777
00:44:11.480 --> 00:44:14.760
we had it's been our area of the ten mile

778
00:44:14.880 --> 00:44:18.280
marker on the Go road, but off on this forest

779
00:44:18.320 --> 00:44:20.800
service road, and we had driven all the way to

780
00:44:20.920 --> 00:44:24.320
the lower section of it where there's this sperm and

781
00:44:24.599 --> 00:44:27.400
me and Todd had just done a bunch of investigation

782
00:44:27.559 --> 00:44:29.800
that day, and that next day we actually went out

783
00:44:29.840 --> 00:44:31.880
there and spent the night out there. But all of

784
00:44:31.880 --> 00:44:35.000
a sudden, a forest service truck comes down there and

785
00:44:35.400 --> 00:44:38.079
this kid jumps out and he just asked what we

786
00:44:38.079 --> 00:44:39.679
were up to, and we said, oh, we were just

787
00:44:39.679 --> 00:44:42.519
doing this and that, and we had offered him a

788
00:44:42.559 --> 00:44:45.400
beer and he said okay. And so he was looking

789
00:44:45.400 --> 00:44:47.400
for mushrooms. I think he was just trying to find

790
00:44:47.400 --> 00:44:51.639
out if we were like maybe illegally harvesting mushrooms, because unfortunately,

791
00:44:51.719 --> 00:44:54.559
there's some really prized mushrooms in our area that are

792
00:44:54.599 --> 00:44:57.360
worth a lot of money, and people do that, but we,

793
00:44:57.639 --> 00:45:01.760
of course we weren't doing that. So apparently that was

794
00:45:01.800 --> 00:45:03.199
a really good area where there was a lot of

795
00:45:03.239 --> 00:45:05.719
these mushrooms. And so we started talking to him and

796
00:45:06.519 --> 00:45:09.400
found out that he had worked in the Olympic Rainforest

797
00:45:09.480 --> 00:45:12.960
before and he so we got talking and we go,

798
00:45:13.079 --> 00:45:15.360
what do you think about sasquatch? That's what we're actually

799
00:45:15.360 --> 00:45:17.519
looking for, and he goes, oh, that's really cool. He

800
00:45:17.559 --> 00:45:21.159
goes it was my supervisor actually found a nest at

801
00:45:21.159 --> 00:45:24.639
the headwaters of Bluff Creek, and he goes, that's my goal.

802
00:45:24.719 --> 00:45:28.000
I want to see one up here. And so we

803
00:45:28.079 --> 00:45:30.920
ended up having a really good conversation. So he one

804
00:45:30.920 --> 00:45:33.400
of the reasons he moved here was so that maybe

805
00:45:33.400 --> 00:45:36.239
he could find one. So he said, his supervisor actually

806
00:45:36.320 --> 00:45:39.119
had found a nest at headwaters of Bluff Creek. But

807
00:45:39.239 --> 00:45:41.719
the Forest Service knows more than we realized. They're just

808
00:45:41.880 --> 00:45:43.079
not being really.

809
00:45:43.480 --> 00:45:45.440
I would agree with you one hundred percent. That's a

810
00:45:45.480 --> 00:45:49.559
really big thing to just for an individual that's not

811
00:45:49.679 --> 00:45:52.880
in a bigfoot to just drop, Oh, my supervisor found

812
00:45:52.920 --> 00:45:56.480
in a nest by the headwaters of Bluff Creek. Do you, guys,

813
00:45:56.639 --> 00:45:59.400
you have an idea of like where that might be

814
00:45:59.679 --> 00:46:03.239
or is that something you might be looking into, guys, or.

815
00:46:05.039 --> 00:46:07.920
It's hard to get to that area, but that one

816
00:46:07.960 --> 00:46:12.880
area that we've been to we're hoping to get if

817
00:46:12.880 --> 00:46:16.039
we can get down to Bluff Creek from that area,

818
00:46:16.280 --> 00:46:20.000
we should be really close to the headwaters and we

819
00:46:20.119 --> 00:46:22.840
hopefully we can get to an area where we can

820
00:46:23.159 --> 00:46:27.360
hopefully find a heather, a cave or a nest at

821
00:46:27.360 --> 00:46:28.360
the headwaters.

822
00:46:28.679 --> 00:46:31.880
Yeah, what's interesting is we had all those bad fires

823
00:46:31.880 --> 00:46:34.599
this summer, but in some ways it was almost a

824
00:46:34.639 --> 00:46:38.400
blessing in disguise because the Forest Service, in the fire

825
00:46:38.440 --> 00:46:41.920
departments cal fire. They ended up widening all the roads,

826
00:46:41.960 --> 00:46:44.320
like the Go Road got cleared to where it was

827
00:46:44.360 --> 00:46:47.880
like almost like a highway again. It was cleared off

828
00:46:47.880 --> 00:46:50.239
on the sides. And then we went down this road

829
00:46:50.239 --> 00:46:53.239
that we had cut out and only to discover that

830
00:46:53.480 --> 00:46:55.679
it had been a fire line for the Forest Service.

831
00:46:55.679 --> 00:46:59.199
So that's a really nice road now and it takes

832
00:46:59.199 --> 00:47:02.320
you to this quarry that we're not going to disclose

833
00:47:02.320 --> 00:47:05.760
where this is because it's our little spot. But we

834
00:47:05.880 --> 00:47:08.920
know that it's very near the headwaters of Loff Creek.

835
00:47:09.039 --> 00:47:13.920
Scorpion Creek's not far away. Had an experience there where

836
00:47:13.960 --> 00:47:17.360
I think I may have mentioned it last time, where

837
00:47:17.599 --> 00:47:21.400
something was watching Todd's wife and drop the branch. Unfortunately,

838
00:47:21.440 --> 00:47:26.000
that tree there is burnt now. But mostly the fire

839
00:47:26.119 --> 00:47:28.559
did not destroy areas as bad as you would think.

840
00:47:28.559 --> 00:47:31.280
It mainly just stayed in the valleys and came up

841
00:47:31.360 --> 00:47:35.559
and so Loos Camp's good still, Cedar Camp on the verge,

842
00:47:35.719 --> 00:47:41.320
Beans Camp good Valley's in good shape. It just burnt

843
00:47:41.400 --> 00:47:44.480
some areas, but it wasn't as bad as you could think.

844
00:47:44.599 --> 00:47:46.599
But one good thing is they cleared all the roads.

845
00:47:46.639 --> 00:47:49.679
In fact, the road probably to Loos Camp is probably

846
00:47:49.760 --> 00:47:52.360
much clearer now than it used to be from Beans

847
00:47:52.400 --> 00:47:53.440
Camp route.

848
00:47:53.920 --> 00:47:57.760
That's good to hear. Oh man, you guys are into

849
00:47:57.840 --> 00:48:01.159
some wild stuff. I'm so glad to hear that you're

850
00:48:01.199 --> 00:48:04.679
continuing to get into some crazy stuff. And I'm just

851
00:48:04.760 --> 00:48:08.519
happy that you're in such close proximity to that Bluff

852
00:48:08.519 --> 00:48:11.239
Creek area so that you can do the type of

853
00:48:11.280 --> 00:48:15.800
things that you are actively doing. Yeah, I appreciate you guys.

854
00:48:15.920 --> 00:48:18.599
I just want to say thank you so much. For

855
00:48:18.719 --> 00:48:21.159
agreeing to come on. Is there I'll give you a

856
00:48:21.320 --> 00:48:24.159
chance if there's anything that you guys want to shout

857
00:48:24.199 --> 00:48:27.440
out or if someone wants to contact you about the

858
00:48:27.480 --> 00:48:30.400
areas that we mentioned. Is there a way that people

859
00:48:30.440 --> 00:48:33.119
can reach out to either of you guys, Well, we

860
00:48:33.199 --> 00:48:34.400
have a x or.

861
00:48:34.440 --> 00:48:38.840
Twitter account, big for a wellness research or YouTube. He

862
00:48:38.960 --> 00:48:43.119
can also contact me through my Yahoo account Todd Semples

863
00:48:43.199 --> 00:48:43.840
at Yahoo.

864
00:48:44.199 --> 00:48:46.519
Yeah, and eventually we're going to probably get a website.

865
00:48:46.519 --> 00:48:49.039
We're in the process of doing that. But they can

866
00:48:49.159 --> 00:48:53.880
contact us through those things. I know that I've shouted

867
00:48:53.920 --> 00:48:57.400
out to Tate and Ron Read that if they want

868
00:48:57.440 --> 00:49:00.039
a place to stay, to come out here, and of

869
00:49:00.039 --> 00:49:02.480
course Jonathan to We're trying to get them to come here,

870
00:49:02.519 --> 00:49:04.280
but I know they have a lot of projects, so

871
00:49:04.320 --> 00:49:08.239
it's it's hard to do that. But yeah, anytime they

872
00:49:08.320 --> 00:49:11.280
want to come out, they can, And anyone else that

873
00:49:11.320 --> 00:49:13.280
wants to get a hold of us, we'd be happy

874
00:49:13.320 --> 00:49:15.599
to talk to them. They could probably do it through

875
00:49:15.639 --> 00:49:19.119
the Bigfoot Museum too, and wellow Creek. I they got

876
00:49:19.159 --> 00:49:23.000
ahold of Eric because he's he's going to pass on

877
00:49:23.039 --> 00:49:26.519
stuff to us, like if he hears experiences and stuff

878
00:49:26.559 --> 00:49:30.880
and he's going to mention our names. Yeah, it's pretty exciting.

879
00:49:31.079 --> 00:49:32.679
Thank you so much for coming on guys.

880
00:49:33.199 --> 00:49:35.400
Okay, thanks thanks for having us.

881
00:49:35.599 --> 00:49:36.800
Yeah, thank you very much.

882
00:49:37.239 --> 00:49:39.760
Here at big for Society, our goal is to provide

883
00:49:39.880 --> 00:49:44.000
a platform for those that have encountered Bigfoot to share

884
00:49:44.079 --> 00:49:47.880
their encounter and a safe and respected environment. But we

885
00:49:48.000 --> 00:49:51.360
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886
00:49:51.440 --> 00:49:56.320
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887
00:49:56.320 --> 00:50:00.920
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888
00:50:01.239 --> 00:50:04.800
I know a lot of you have not shared your

889
00:50:04.880 --> 00:50:09.280
encounter at all. It's been twenty years and it's time

890
00:50:09.360 --> 00:50:12.039
that you get this off your chest and then you

891
00:50:12.079 --> 00:50:14.320
can get some well deserved for rest, because I know

892
00:50:14.360 --> 00:50:18.159
you haven't been sleeping. I understand what you're going through,

893
00:50:18.400 --> 00:50:19.920
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Spirit Lake, Stuttle Lake, Mackenzie River Area, Sweet Home Area,

917
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the area west of Crater Lake, east of two thirty

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West Diamond Lake Highway and north of sixty two Crater

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