Face to Face by Mt. Hood! | Oregon

0:00 Welcome to Big for Society. If you have bigfoot activity to report from the same areas discussed in this episode, please reach out to me directly after this episode. And if you'd like to be on the podcast to discuss a personal Bigfoot encounter, please reach out to me directly at Bigfoo Society at gmail dot com. Do you wish there was more Big for Society to listen to you every week? Well there is now. If you become a supporting member over at Patreon, you get a special members only episode every single week on Wednesdays, and sometimes even more episodes. Head on over to Patreon dot com. Forward slash the Big for Society and now let's get on with the show, all right. Big for Society got the privilege of talking to Todd Samples and Doug Shade tonight.

0:44 Talk to him about a year and a half ago. They're bigfoot researchers out there on the West coast of the US. But how are we doing tonight, guys? Very good, very good. Yeah, it's been a good night. It's supposed to rain tomorrow, but overall it's been great. Perfect. I'm excited to talk to you. I've heard a little bit about what you guys have been up to. But I'm going to go ahead and give the floor right over to you. Guys. Feel free to share what kind of things you've been up to in the last time since we talked. We had a chance to go up to the squad Fest back in January. We were to talk to Matt Cliff Berkman. But before we went, the day before Squadfest, we had gone squatching in Oregon and that was a pretty good We had a signing a class a signing Doug and Carry. Actually I actually didn't see it, but I was there.

1:37 Yeah. And during the whole course of the summer we have been going up into the Bluff Creek area. There's also another area east of Orleans we've been going into and had some interesting experiences. After our original discussion with you about the snowprints and then later having discussions with Cliff, and he really recommended we start casting prints. So we've been doing that and we've gotten some really nice prints. We're up to six now. We tried one method where you use the spray foam. It's not real effective, but the plaster paris we've been using and so interestingly, several of these prints are in the same area where we found those snow prints, so we know we're onto something in that area. We've had broken branches off trees, We've had tree knocks in the area. We even found what looked like a cave. Went back two weeks later and found that a tree had been broken and the entrance was covered, even though no humans had been there since we were last there. That was back in November. It's been really good. We're just definitely liking the fact that we seem to be in a really hot spot right now.

2:56 We also got to talk with Tate during the summer, so that was nice and than easily they came in talked with us that when we were at Laos Camp and this last summer, so that was fun too, And we done some research going up into December of twenty twenty three. We had early snow, couldn't get very far, and then later it all melted and we actually made it miles past where we had found those prints. But just recently we had some cold weather and yesterday, as a matter of fact, we were looking in another area that's called the Right Place and we found some we cast a footprint, had some really interesting activity as well as tried to get up to a mile ten and we couldn't make it in our four wheel drive. We had to walk a quarter of a mile to get there.

3:46 But no footprints this year so far. There anyway in the snow. Now the castings that you took near where the snow prints had been found, are they so? Are those similar size to the ones you had found, or do you think it could be the same individual or what are your thoughts as to what might be going on there? Yeah, we found two prints or two and catching two prints, one in the in a little meadow that we camped out and in one up by a place up by the mountain, and they were both the same side thirteen by six as the snowprints. So we assume it's the same creature. Yeah.

4:29 And what's interesting about that is one was on a hill and we had taken it to the NABC Museum that clip has and they looked at those prints and they go, that is a squatch. You could see the meta tarsal break in it. And it's so it's exciting to think that there is there's a big foot in that area that is staying in the area. And the one we found yesterday was bigger though the one at Wright's Place it's fifteen inches. Wow, So that's pretty exciting. I'll ask, and yeah, up to you if you want to answer. But is the right place in a similar area as to the snow tracks or is it totally separate area completely?

5:19 It's similar as far as probably the elevation, it's not the same elevation, i'd say, or pretty closed, but it's probably six miles away, but it's on the other side. No, it's on the same side as Bluff Creek, right, Yeah, just the snowprints were found on the on the go road. Bright Place is off of Slake Creek Road, so it's a few miles away. In fact, Lake Creek Road and the right places where Tate and Jonathan they were going to do the Luck Creek hike that was going to be their first resupply spot. The gates locked right now, so we had to hike quite a it's about a little over three miles I think to the bottom. We didn't quite make it to the bottom, but quite a steep hike out, but the gate was locked. But we started walking down there and we had some good activity. Todd had some tree knocks because he waited back. We had found this one spot where we found a huge pile of scot and several prints in the area. We decided to cast one and it came out really nice. So then another person in the party, Caesar Sandoval, one of our friends that squatches with us a lot, factis, actually had two sightings. We walked down further and we didn't hear a whole lot, but Todd, we had walkie talkies, were starting to get a little bit more proficient, and he started saying that he was hearing stuff around him since we left him.

6:45 But on the way back we found another pile of that same type of scot that hadn't been there when we hiked down. It was that fresh. We came to the conclusion that we were being watched and they were doing some things. So that's pretty exciting. I just I want to make sure I have a few things right, because I can picture of the map in my head a bit. So the area where they were going to have the first pretty much if they had kept going on their hike, they would have gone into an extremely squatchy area, which is what I can get from that. But they didn't make it because the rapids were pretty dang treacherous, as listeners probably will remember, that's ironic.

7:29 Wow. Yeah, But in. Fact, if you see the rapids right now because it's spring, oh my goodness it Bluff Creek is just pure rapids, just whitewater. Fact, they're repairing the bridge right now, but just it's amazing to just think that. And what's amazing too is Fish Lake, which is up a Bluff Creek Road, is just literally across Bluff Creeks and it's not far from another famous place called Twin Lakes. But right now you can't get much past Right's place. We tried to go up the hill there further and ran into snow because we were thinking, oh wow, it's pretty melted. Let's try to get up to Cedar Camp. And we went about two miles past Wright's place up the hill and ran into huge amounts of snow. So that turned us back, and then we went to the go road and found the same issue.

8:21 Was there a certain reason that you had chosen that area as a new research area, maybe things you had heard from other people or different types of research you'd done by yourself. We've seen video that I think Tate did extra footage and they were down at right's place and it's winter time, but maybe we can get down there and it'd be a nice place to get to in winter time. But unfortunately, if the gate wasn't locked, then we could have driven all the way down no problem. But instead we figured we just parked the truck and hiked down as far as we could. And that was the main reason, because we saw it on Tate's video. He had invited me to go with them. Okay, no, I'm not going up that creek. There's no way, No, there is no way that's going to happen. It. It's been hard.

9:11 Yeah, hats off to them for trying. I'm so just fat flabberglass that no one got hurt on that hike. People should have gotten Logically, they should have gotten extremely hurt. Hats off to them. They were carrying dogs and all sorts of stuff made it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, the dog made it through there. It'd be interesting to hear what comes out of that area in the future, because I know a lot of that that they were going to hike up is I don't think a lot of people have actually been in that area. There's not a lot of documentation further up on that creek. Access to it.

9:52 Yeah, who knows what you'll find. But maybe if you get to Wright's Place, you probably hike up along the creek, but not in the creek. That may be a little easier. But from Wright's Place up to probably pretty close to Laos Camp, there's no roads that lead down to the Bluff Creek. It's really steep. One thing that really amazed me is just how thick the woods are in that area. It is. Just walking down that road, it was so squatchy. In fact, we found a culprit where they usually have creeks go down and it's dry, and yet two hundred yards below it there's a raging creek coming out of the ground. We didn't go down there because it was so steep, but it just shows there's got to be cave systems and all kinds of other things in the area. Even though people might go there in the summer because they could drive down the road. It's just that whole area. I tell you, I like that area. It really impressed me, and that's why what we've been doing. If you later we'll mention our website that we have or YouTube channel.

11:05 We're starting to divide research areas into blocks of areas, and we're going to be spending time in those areas because we're just finding that. I just feel like there's a lot more squatches up there than people realize. You are looking into some different areas in the same area, and it sounds like you're starting to have some really interesting things happen. Hats off to you boats for and to Caesar, who I'll have to talk to him someday, maybe in the future. But the area of the rights Place area, did you see any evidence or anything that would lead you to think that it's maybe just one individual in that area or maybe multiple individuals, or it's hard to say with what you've seen.

11:48 When I was walking back up the road by myself as Doug and Caesar left me, so I was alone and vulnerable, I had actually heard for different occasions where I had heard a voice, a small piece of chatter I had Once they left and they walked, they left, and I was sitting there and I started hearing a few things. But I'll just start walking up slowly, taking twenty steps, stop, taking twenty more steps, just going look slow. And got to a point where probably within one hundred feet I heard three different chatters, small just a couple of little vocalizations, and then towards when I got towards the top, near near my truck or where we had that we casted that footprint. I pulled it out, picked up the bag, and I started walking up, and about thirty feet from there, I heard another one, and I heard a knock just after that, So it was there's at least one one individual there. I'm pretty sure there's probably two or three. One of the vocalizations sounded different than the other three.

12:54 We did. Hear whistles too long, with long whistles. Not whistles like you hear from a bourbon. There are ten fifteen seconds long. Wow, are you actively recording audio when you're out there? No, we are in the process though. Yeah, we've got the point where we're videotaping it out. We're videoing it now. We just got to get to the next level. Yeah, can I twist your arms for you to start doing that? We have to throw oh, okay. To get it up and running. We have we're going to get sound equipment. We Yeah, we're getting there. We're casting now because Cliff really encouraged us to do it, so we're starting to try to at least get one cast every time we go out, and in defense of the big Foot Love Creek Project and Tate and Jonathan and all the guys that come over there, see, it's really hard when you can only come, say once a year and spend a week or two. It's almost like finding a needle in a haystack. But fortunately with us living close by, we can get up there a minimum of once a month, and sometimes we'll get up there two, three, four times a month. And we're even starting to investigate areas closer to where we live too, because there's a place Horse Mountain snow Camp, some other areas where even Fieldbrook has had reports of things going on, which is really close to our area. We just have the luxury of being able to do this. But Tate and Jonathan

14:27 and Roden Reied and all the Bluff Creek Project, those guys are top notch researchers. It's just that they just don't have the opportunity like we have. And also lately we're talking with the Willow Creek Bigfoot Museum and we're going to be getting connected with them a little more too, so that's exciting. There's a guy named Eric there that is really getting things together, getting some stories from different people in the area, so you can see why, even though we've had a side in Oregon, we're like focusing on this area because this is our home and we really like it. But whenever you're wanting to hear more about the actual sighting, we'll get into that too.

15:10 Oh yeah, absolutely, for just in case some of the listeners, just to make sure they're aware. So yeah, the Bluff Creek Project, those guys, the Patterson Gimlin film site would not be what it is today without their help of making sure that it is taking care of, cleaned up all that good stuff. Bigfoot World owes them a unspeakable amount of gratitude. And yeah, those guys super researchers. I wouldn't have been able to have my time out in the field in Iowa without taste. Big for Society will be right back after these messages. So love those guys so much. Did you mentioned the Willow Creek. Is that China Flats Museum? Is that the one you're referring to? Yes, yes, okay, that's really interesting. I have to keep an eye on that.

16:14 Eric Nelson is our contact there. He's been working there for I think a year now and he's trying to get it more into the Bigfoot themes, because that's what you said, people that come in there. Nine nine percent of people that come in are asking about Bigfoot. Yeah, absolutely, and I would hope that they are. I'm glad that they are right, because, yeah, Willow Creek, that's hopefully what it is known for. But exciting stuff going down there in the Bluff Creek area. But Doug, I would love to hear about your class A sighting that you had mentioned before about what had happened. Yeah, it's I can probably thank Todd for the fact that, see, this is our second my second year of going to Squatch Best Stuff in Longview, Washington, which is January twenty sixth through the twenty seventh, and said, hey, why don't we go up a couple days early do a little squatching before we go to the conference and just see if we find something. And I never expected anything. We didn't bring any casting material or anything like that. But so anyway, we drive up Wednesday and wait, yeah, Wednesday, Yeah, we get up there Wednesday, and so we just got up there, book our motel and so forth, and Thursday morning we decided, hey, let's go up to Mount Saint Helens.

17:34 That was January twenty fifth, two thousand. So we go up there trying to get to a place called eight Cave, but there was just two feet of snow. The snow plows had just and it was raining. It was barely above freezing. You could barely jump out of the car and get anywhere. So we were going, Wow, this isn't turn out too well. Lots of road damage. Almost every place was closed. So Todd was, hey, I know this, there's a break in the weather down in Oregon. Maybe we should go down there. So the Mount Hood area, there's like a four hour break. We ate lunch and made our way down there, and to start driving up the road to Mount Hood and it was getting pretty icy and I had a migraine headache, so I wasn't super happy about that. So we turned around and decided to go a little lower down this road called Sleepy Hall of Road I believe it was. And then we go up this road and find a trail called the Sandy Ridge Trail, so we thought we'd hop out. It was a lock gate, it's a bike trail. It's BLM land Bureau of Land Management Land so here we are just don't know anything about this area, but we just decided, hey, this looks good. There's a lock gate, there's a road.

18:51 At least we could walk up and just do something. So we did a couple of tree docks, didn't hear much activity, walked up further. There was a nice river there, and we got close to a half mile up and all of a sudden we heard a tree knock, and we're going like wow. Carrie said, hey, do you guys hear that? We go, yeah, now we heard that. So I was up about thirty forty feet above Carrie walking up the road. Carrie is in the middle, and Todd was down about thirty forty feet below him. And it was so funny because Carrie was saying, I don't think this area is very squatchy, tell you the truth. But to me it looked squatchy because it was alders. There were ferns, bushes, huckleberries, douglas fur all mossy and so forth. And so we're just walking up and all of a sudden, Carrie goes, I heard another tree knock, and Tod and I said, we didn't hear it. And then all of a sudden he started looking to the left about sixty yards off the trail, though at first we thought it was a little closer, but after Cliff went out there, we realized how big this thing was. Because it's amazing when you have a smaller human go out there and see the difference that you just go wow. But anyway, he saw this thing standing by the tree lately. He said, he noticed it was doing something with its hands, and they made eye contact, and he said, you guys, see that, and he pointed to it, and he pointed to it.

20:18 So he looked over there, and I started just darting around like this. And then I paused because because I was like trying to literally process what I was seeing. I saw a sasquatch just upright, just dart through. It was like gliding. It was so quick. I've never seen anything so quick, just that. It was like moving just full speed like this. And I saw it for about two three seconds and then it was obscured in the trees. And then Todd, unfortunately was a little lower, so I think the trees blocked his view. Actually, I when he said that, I ran up to where he was, and by the time I got there, was gone. If I were looked over well or is that I probably would have saw it, but I got up to where he was at looked over and too late.

21:07 But oh well, yeah. So I always used to say I got to see it to believe it because I'm a skeptic. Now I've seen it and I'm like, wow, these things are real, and so I'm just glad I saw it, and Kerry thought maybe I hadn't seen it because I didn't answer for a couple of seconds. But seriously, when you see something like that, your mind's just processing it and going what am I seeing? Because I knew it wasn't an elk, wasn't a deer, wasn't a mountain lion. It just blew me away and I got a pretty good look at it. It didn't look at me, but Harry actually got it. Literally they made eye contact and it just took off.

21:49 Definitely have a few questions for you. Did it match up with what you had had I'm sure we all have a mental picture of what we think sasquatch looks based on what we've read research. Did it match up with that or were there things where you were like, I wasn't expecting what I'm seeing, right, now. In my case, Carrie said, what color was it? What you see Doug? And I go, it was reddish brown, and he goes, no, it was a really distinct brown and there was some white on it, because he actually I didn't see the white, so to me, it was like it was gonna rangutan looking type creature. But once he found a picture on the internet, I said, oh, that's what I saw. So it was just our description was just different on color, but we actually saw the same thing. I just was calling it reddish brown and he was calling it a distinct brown. I just didn't see.

22:47 He said it looked like it was grain a little bit in the chin area and on the chest. But I'd say about the only thing that maybe I didn't expect is Clip described it really well. He said, it's almost where you see hair hanging down like the or the leather. That's what I saw. But it was not real huge, but it was definitely tall. It maybe not slender, but just not quite as But the head, the back, the hair flowing from it, its shoulders, and its waist were just what I would expect to see and from Pattie and so forth, and just the arms moving and I've just never seen anything move so fast. That's what I think surprised me the most, was just it was just gone. And when we went out there later, you just realize that if one of us tried to run in there, you had tripp him five feet because there were ferns, there were bushes just about a foot and a half deep. Because I only saw from a mid cap up and I figured it was seven feet tall.

23:58 But once Cliff went out there and was standing out there and I saw it, how big he was compared to it was probably closer to eight feet tall. Wow. On a Thursday. Yeah, And then we went back out there on Sunday with Cliff and Matt Pruitt and there was a he found having to say, probably ten print, ten footprints on the ground. From that he found that the prince where he was standing, and then he said it ran about sixty yards and then it sat back it stopped again, So it was probably watching us as we left. He went back there that he was there Sunday with us, and then he'd gone back a few more times with his guys from the museum and they found more prints. I think he cast it like ten or twelve prints just from that site.

24:46 Yeah, and they found dozens of prints. They ended up being able to track it back up to the river that we had seen, but because of the ice storms that had happened a few weeks before, they lost it because there's a bunch of fur bows down and it went through the area we had seen it for over one hundred yards and then they saw where it had jumped over a log that was laying down and just sat there. They got handprints too, where it was just waiting for us to go. So just hearing what Cliff had found and what just watching him cast and how he was tracking really caught us a lot. That guy is amazing. But the behavior that it just ran off like sixty yards and stopped just was really good information that I'm going to be more cognizant of now because if we do see him run off, they may not go very far. They're just going far enough to get out of our eyesight and they're going to be watching us.

25:43 And so that was really good information. Some might wonder why we didn't go out there Thursday to look for prints, but there was like four inches of snow on the ground there and I started walking into it and it was getting to be four o'clock. Then it started and we're like, and I had a bad migraine. We all said, we got to get back to the motel. Maybe we'll mention it to Cliff. And it rained all weekend, so most of the snow was melted by someday. We probably deteriorated the tracks a little, but we did find two a partial snow slash print and then one foli in snow that Cliff saw, and then all the other ones he got it and they were in the fifteen to sixteen inch range.

26:28 Wow. And then we find out later that there had been sightings there a few decades ago. Okay, the Prince cast in that. Area, and it's only a few miles from his house, which we had no idea. He was happy to know that it's probably the same squash that he's been tracking around his house. I would say, absolutely, That's probably one of the best Christmas presents you could ever give to Cliff, is to be like, hey, here's some solid action a few miles away from where you're at. Man, that is really cool. Did he say who had cast the footprints in that area a few decades back? You were saying, or he's. Only casting any princes, but there was some sightings okay area and a couple of miles away. Yeah. Actually there was another sighting a couple of miles away a few days later.

27:16 Yeah. Really, so then that was probably the I think he got more cast from that area too, Yeah. He did. And so he's going to give us. He's presented some of these prints on the NABC, so we've seen those and he's eventually going to put the videos because he was recording this while we were doing this. And to be quite honest, you have a signing like that and it's a squatch fest and you're thinking, oh, yeah, you see a big but and it's just about squatchfest. So I was like really nervous, thinking, I sure hope he finds something, because he might think, oh, what are these guys up to? They got big pot on the brain or something. And fortunately he started finding the prince and then just legitimized everything, and so we were really relieved about that. Incidentally, to the day we were there, Melissa and Matt Krue were there and I sat her seeing movement and I could see what looked like a deer and I go, I think it's a deer, and sure, enough I flushed it out. And that was one thing Melissa had told Matt, Hey, if those guys had big foot on the brain, he would have said, oh, that's a big foot. But I know the differends. I can identify what a bear is. In fact, we saw a bear yesterday too, Todd and Caesar did while we were doing that area, in another spot we had gone to, so we know our animals. It's just also one of those things up there.

28:35 When we were on that Sunday we were up there with a Cliff and Matt and his wife. Matt and his wife were walking around, they found two elk spinal cords really and yeah, in the ferns and just laying there. So it's obviously a spot that something is killing as Killy's elk, a couple of elks, man, and I'm sure it's a squatch that's killing the elk. Yeah, two spinal cords, which was pretty cool. And I think the more I remember, I think it was John Green that may have been the one that reported in one of his books about sightings in that very same area, because Cliff had done researching it happened twenty or thirty years before, so he says, you guys are in an area where there's been sightings, and so they were pretty excited. They were going back and they they went back at least three or four times and kept finding more evidence. He's getting closer in that area.

29:32 Who is Who's Carrie? Harry is my brother in law. He was, He's he was with us, he saw it first. He's he was with us when we had the snowprints. Yeah, but usually when we do these. The last time when we did the podcast with you, he was out of town, but he wasn't available. Same as tonight. He's out of town, so he's out of town a lot. So is he a bigfoot guy? Oh? Yeah, big kind Okay, cool, thanks to me. I got you, I got you? Yeah yeah nice. Yeah, he's relatively new. And it's funny because I don't know what it is about him being with us, but we always seem to have really good success when he's around, even though he's relatively new.

30:16 Big for society will be right back after these messages. He just has that knack where we been pounding the pavement for years, just getting little increments of evidence, and he just happens to be around when we get good sighting or something. We're like, Wow, that's good. May want to talk to Carrie. I don't know if you can put in a good word for me Todd as being his relative, that might be cool. Did what you saw? Did that affect what you had thought of what Bigfoot is prior at all?

31:10 It verified to me what I expected, because I know that people sometimes think it's paranormal and this and that, but I've always been under the impression that it's a great American ape. That because I'm reading Matt Krutz book right now and just seeing the natives and their history and how they've found all kinds of ape type ape like things in North America. But the reason why it's never been pursued that much is because zoologists immediately say there's no apes in North America, so it can't be an ape. It's got to be something superstitious or spirit, whereas all the native cultures always have it as a real thing, the boss of the woods. So the fact that I'd now seen it and it looked to me similar to it an orangutang but obviously different, like a giant pithecus type thing, It's just verified to me that there's something out there, and it's just very elusive. And sometimes people when they've had a sighting, they go, Okay, that's good, I'm done. I don't need to do anymore.

32:18 But for me, I'd really like to still get even more verifiable evidence because the bigfoot community is often just treated like, hey, guys are a bunch of non intelligent people. But there's a lot of smart people in this area, and just like the Ape of Africa, same type of things, or the tiger, people would say, oh, they do this and that, and once the knowledge gets out there and the actual logic enters the picture, then they realize that these things are real. So in the same way, now that I've seen that, I'd like to see some more. Actually, yeah, to see them get protected like other animals.

33:05 It's really interesting because some people when they have that sighting, it seems like there's no middle ground. There's either I'm freaked out and I never want to see that again, or I want to make sure that these things don't become extinct. So that's cool you have that you had that reaction. I don't know if there's like a right or wrong reaction per se. Yeah, I hope hopefully someday I'm able to see one as well. We'll see. I'm headed out. I don't think I told you this, but I'm headed out to Oregon this this July to the Oakridge area. So wow. So well, we try to get some interviews and who knows what will happen out there. But Todd, do you mind sharing a bit you had I think in earlier You guys have a YouTube channel that you've started to work on.

33:55 Yeah, it's a Bigfoot wilderness research and we've been basic documenting our research. Every time we go out, we filmed it. Whether we find something or we don't. We record what we are hiking, We record what we find we don't find. We are planning on doing a couple nine day events this week this summer up in the six National Force nine day camping slash Bigfoot of research trips in a couple of areas or actually we'll probably coming four four areas and we're hoping to have a documentary on these these four areas and we'll be putting that on our YouTube channel.

34:38 That's really exciting to hear. Now, are these areas that you've been researching ahead of time or that you've just heard from people? Hey, it's probably a good idea to check out this particular area. The Siskew's the first nine day trip. We're going to be probably the first half camping allows camp but not obviously not research in that area, but going in areas up along the Lonesome Ridge Road. Research in those areas that we've driven through but never did extensive research in. Also Elk Valley. That's going to be part of our first trip, but the second trip, we're going to be going into a couple areas that we've cut our way into a year and a half of or so, so we're going to be really these areas no one has gone has been down there for years. Wow, those areas were really interested in getting down One area is like towards the headwaters of Bluff Creek, the north side and the headwater, So we're interested in getting down in that area and seeing what's down there. I don't think anyone has been down there a long time.

35:47 Yeah, and definitely in the region of where we found those snowprints too. We've been really heavily hit in that area and we just keep we almost get the feeling that we're getting communication from the community, the Sasquatch community in that area because we find cedar trees just snapped off. We've had loud tree knocks every time we go there. We're getting something, so it's almost I don't know if they're upset that we discovered that they're in the area or what it is. But that's one thing though I would always caution everybody is we realize that these are creatures that sometimes they say, oh they look human, but they are animals, so we need to Fortunately, they haven't been aggressive like they are in Alaska. When I heard some of the stories of Alaska, I'm like, I don't think I ever want to roll up there because those they need to want to kill humans, whereas so far up to this point they seem to be a little more curious of us and not dangerous. But I don't want to ever push the envelope.

36:58 Absolutely as I won't really say which one, but one of the locations you mentioned I've heard of before as being a pretty intense area, So I'm very interested to see what happens. Yeah. Never Actually we've never camped in that area. We've been there a couple of times, but we wanted to spend a few days there, three or four nights and research that whole area, doing the hikes in different areas and seeing what we can do. There's three three creeks that their headwaters is in that area. It starts from there, Dylan Creek, Blue Creek, and I think there's another one that starts in that valley that sounds like it seems like it'd be a good place to do a long term research plan.

37:49 Absolutely, there's a few questions I want to ask you guys, just I'm curious what the answers will be. Have you ever heard anything among your years of bigfoot research that if the situation had happened to you, you would be very cautious about going into the field again. I have heard some pretty hair raising things. In fact, I ended up purchasing a book by Robert Alli, and it's about a lot of Alaska experiences. He has experiences, and when I started reading that, I was like, man, it just those bigfoot up there, not all of them, but some of them have chased people and done this and done that, and it just tells me that we have to be cautious. I don't carry a firearm, we just carry Caesar's carrying bear spray. So that's a good idea he was practicing a little bit. I carry a knife, and Todd carry is a pretty big knife. He laughs about my little knife. But I just realized that like a bear, bears generally run from you, but there could always be that one bear that might attack you. Same thing with a mountain lion. I know recently I heard a mountainline killed like a twenty year old up in Sacramento area. So there's always that risk. It's very slight.

39:15 But I don't think I would back off if I knew these things, because I just have the interest of what is not known in this I have that curiosity. I'd like to be on the cutting edge of just getting not just a sighting, but just proof, just to laid a rest because Hatterson Gimmlin film, to me, is very good proof. And the more they investigate that thing, the more they validate. And then there's been some others like the Freeman films, and Jonathan has a really nice documentary on the Freedman film as a matter of facts, So I think if we all collectively keep doing what we're doing, it's going to come to fruition. So I'm not backing off. I'm keeping the them.

40:00 Forward all the encounters we've had have been non aggressive, but you get that one aggressive encounter and it may change the whole thing. Hopefully it won't, but you know, while animal that charges that you, you may have may change your whole out look on. I am I'm thinking it something though, because we have another place east of Orleans up in the mountains, going towards the Hoopa Reservation, which is behind a known sasquatch area, and I had a tree get broken because Todd and Kerry were actually left me and I was just cleaning up the truck because we had heard some We had been hiking around and we had heard found some tree breaks and we were almost thought we heard chattering air of the truck. But we came back down to eat lunch and some a flock of geese flew over. We heard something making a call like geese, but it didn't sound like geese, almost like it was a sasquatch, really close, but just a little different. So those guys start hiking off and I'm just cleaning up, and also I heard this in this tree branch is just twenty feet long.

41:07 It's just thrown out. I saw it out of the side of my vision and I just freaked out and I ran up and Todd goes man Hey said, my eyes looked like this, because that was one moment I got really scared. That happened the summer, and we did make a print. We used that spray stuff and we decided to plaster our Paris is better. It's about a fourteen inch print. So that's another research area we've done. And then there is one time which I think we may have mentioned years ago, and this is Caesar actually had a sighting, so if you want to talk to him, we'll talk to him and try to look you up with him on that too. But in the Trinity Alps area, in the in the Wobole Gulch area undisclosed location, we did get a couple really threatening tree knocks the day after he had his sighting because we found a nest.

41:58 We found literally what we call is like a bigfoot bathroom because we found just scat everywhere in a huge area. That was just when we got really close to that area, we kept getting krenocks louder and louder. Finally at that point we got one so loud that we all agree that was a threat. I think it's time for us to leave. It was close. It was like thirty yards away, and you could feel it in your body, just just loud, just crash. And yeah, we said, yeah, let's let's hit out, and they follow us out too. Oh wow. Yeah, it's good to hear that. You guys are ready to keep going. Even if you hear some wild stuff, you're still wanting to keep going, So that is good.

42:45 The other question I had for you guys is have you ever had any conversations with forestry workers or the equivalents around those areas about bigfoot? And how did those kind of versations go. I was, I was doing a saraphal for this older couple. Now I'm a plumber part time, and I saw a bigfoot little sticker on on the bed table, the side side table. They said we believe, And I asked the wife and she said, oh, he's a believer. He was. He was in the lumber industry for forty years and he had told me that he saw a squash like four times. They found prince all over the place, and he said they were told not to say anything about seeing a bigfoot or seeing their prince. So he saw a couple by like Tahoe one in the by Yosemite and then one in the Trinity Alps because he was in the lumber industry for years, and he said he they saw Prince foot foot prints all the time. But he was he's eighty years old now, but it was an interesting talk talking to him and listened to his stories and he was pretty pre convincing.

44:03 And then this past fall we ran into a forest service guy. This was after the fires and everything, and we had it's been our area of the ten mile marker on the Go road, but off on this forest service road, and we had driven all the way to the lower section of it where there's this sperm and me and Todd had just done a bunch of investigation that day, and that next day we actually went out there and spent the night out there. But all of a sudden, a forest service truck comes down there and this kid jumps out and he just asked what we were up to, and we said, oh, we were just doing this and that, and we had offered him a beer and he said okay. And so he was looking for mushrooms. I think he was just trying to find out if we were like maybe illegally harvesting mushrooms, because unfortunately, there's some really prized mushrooms in our area that are worth a lot of money, and people do that, but we, of course we weren't doing that. So apparently that was a really good area where there was a lot of these mushrooms. And so we started talking to him and found out that he had worked in the Olympic Rainforest before and he so we got talking and we go, what do you think about sasquatch? That's what we're actually looking for, and he goes, oh, that's really cool. He goes it was my supervisor actually found a nest at the headwaters of Bluff Creek, and he goes, that's my goal.

45:24 I want to see one up here. And so we ended up having a really good conversation. So he one of the reasons he moved here was so that maybe he could find one. So he said, his supervisor actually had found a nest at headwaters of Bluff Creek. But the Forest Service knows more than we realized. They're just not being really. I would agree with you one hundred percent. That's a really big thing to just for an individual that's not in a bigfoot to just drop, Oh, my supervisor found in a nest by the headwaters of Bluff Creek. Do you, guys, you have an idea of like where that might be or is that something you might be looking into, guys, or.

46:05 It's hard to get to that area, but that one area that we've been to we're hoping to get if we can get down to Bluff Creek from that area, we should be really close to the headwaters and we hopefully we can get to an area where we can hopefully find a heather, a cave or a nest at the headwaters. Yeah, what's interesting is we had all those bad fires this summer, but in some ways it was almost a blessing in disguise because the Forest Service, in the fire departments cal fire. They ended up widening all the roads, like the Go Road got cleared to where it was like almost like a highway again. It was cleared off on the sides. And then we went down this road that we had cut out and only to discover that it had been a fire line for the Forest Service.

46:55 So that's a really nice road now and it takes you to this quarry that we're not going to disclose where this is because it's our little spot. But we know that it's very near the headwaters of Loff Creek. Scorpion Creek's not far away. Had an experience there where I think I may have mentioned it last time, where something was watching Todd's wife and drop the branch. Unfortunately, that tree there is burnt now. But mostly the fire did not destroy areas as bad as you would think. It mainly just stayed in the valleys and came up and so Loos Camp's good still, Cedar Camp on the verge, Beans Camp good Valley's in good shape. It just burnt some areas, but it wasn't as bad as you could think.

47:44 But one good thing is they cleared all the roads. In fact, the road probably to Loos Camp is probably much clearer now than it used to be from Beans Camp route. That's good to hear. Oh man, you guys are into some wild stuff. I'm so glad to hear that you're continuing to get into some crazy stuff. And I'm just happy that you're in such close proximity to that Bluff Creek area so that you can do the type of things that you are actively doing. Yeah, I appreciate you guys. I just want to say thank you so much. For agreeing to come on. Is there I'll give you a chance if there's anything that you guys want to shout out or if someone wants to contact you about the areas that we mentioned. Is there a way that people can reach out to either of you guys, Well, we have a x or.

48:34 Twitter account, big for a wellness research or YouTube. He can also contact me through my Yahoo account Todd Semples at Yahoo. Yeah, and eventually we're going to probably get a website. We're in the process of doing that. But they can contact us through those things. I know that I've shouted out to Tate and Ron Read that if they want a place to stay, to come out here, and of course Jonathan to We're trying to get them to come here, but I know they have a lot of projects, so it's it's hard to do that. But yeah, anytime they want to come out, they can, And anyone else that wants to get a hold of us, we'd be happy to talk to them. They could probably do it through the Bigfoot Museum too, and wellow Creek. I they got ahold of Eric because he's he's going to pass on stuff to us, like if he hears experiences and stuff and he's going to mention our names. Yeah, it's pretty exciting.

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