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Join Jeremiah Byron from Bigfoot Society for an intriguing conversation with Matt Knapp, host of Bigfoot Crossroads. Matt dives deep into various Bigfoot lore and encounters that have taken place mainly in Oklahoma. He shines a light on organizations...

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Season 1

Join Jeremiah Byron from Bigfoot Society for an intriguing conversation with Matt Knapp, host of Bigfoot Crossroads. Matt dives deep into various Bigfoot lore and encounters that have taken place mainly in Oklahoma. He shines a light on organizations like the Native Oklahoma Bigfoot Research Organization (NoBro) and areas like Purgatory and Sulphur. Matt also recalls his own chilling experiences, including seeing filled-in footprints, hearing unnerving whistles, and a direct sighting of a Bigfoot face through night vision goggles. This episode is packed with gripping details and personal stories that offer a unique glimpse into the world of Bigfoot research.

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Big for Society.

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We got the privilege of talking to Matt Knapp, the

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host of Bigfoot Crossroads, tonight on Bigfoot Society. How's it going, Matt.

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It's going good man. How are you dude?

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I'm so excited to talk to you. Every once in

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a while I get comments where it's like, oh, you

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gotta what if I could hear Jeremiah and Matt on

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the same pot. Here you go, guys, is happy tonight?

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It's party time. We talked a little bit on the

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phone a few weeks ago. It was a good chat.

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You reached out and we were chatting bigfoot and stuff,

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and we're like, hey, let's let's make an interview happen.

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But Matt, how is how is the world bigfoot down

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there in Oklahoma?

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For you? It? It's actually active right now. I'm not

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getting out in the field anymore. I haven't gotten out

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in the field in years. But the group that I

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followed down here, which is no BRO, the Native of

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Oklahoma Bigfoot Research Organization. That's a mouthful. They are very

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active and they get reports all the time. They just

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got a pretty interesting photograph, a troll cam photo. It's

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going to be inconclusive. It shows something that could or

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couldn't be who knows. But they're investigating that and trying

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to get to the bottom of it. But those guys

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keep me in the loop of what's going on. And

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then there's a group that you're actually a part of

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as well on Facebook, the Oklahoma Indian Territory Bigfoot, Alien

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Everything Group. I love that group so much. Yeah, and man,

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they've got so many amazing stories that the Native American community,

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especially in that part of Oklahoma, which is like the

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South Central area. There's just always amazing stories coming out there,

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such a rich history whenever it comes to Bigfoot stuff.

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Oh, that group is so good, and yeah, you're right,

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the stories that are shared in there, Oh man, I

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would love to talk to those guys. I'm sure a

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lot of them. Probably you've I don't know, have you

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had the privilege of meeting those guys that are in there.

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Yeah, I know a few of them, and then those

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guys know other guys, and I'm familiar with some people

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that are in that group. But yeah, it's just whenever

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I first got started in this, I actually had friends

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that lived in that part of Oklahoma, and I was

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going down there a lot and researching in their areas,

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and that's how I got to know some of those people.

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And even back then, you're talking twenty years ago, the

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stories were still just insane, just absolutely insane.

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Absolutely, Matt, What was it that got you into Bigfoot?

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Oh? Man, it's weird. I actually grew up in a

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house that was known to be haunted, experienced some paranormal

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activity whenever I was real young, and so I started

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seeking out information on that stuff, trying to understand what

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was going on. Back then, this is pre home computer,

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so I would go to the library or anytime I

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got a chance to check out reading material on the subject.

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That's what I was doing. And back then Bigfoot was

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plumped in with those topics. You'd find them in the

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same sections at least, and so that was my introduction

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to Bigfoot. I remember I got a book at a

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garage cell that had Bigfoot and the Lockness Monster stories

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in it, and that was the first time that I

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read like actual accounts of Bigfoot activity and that just

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captured my attention at a very early age. But then

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it wasn't something that I really thought too much about

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until years later whenever I did get a home computer

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and I was just exploring the world of the Internet

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for the first time and typed in the word Bigfoot

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one night and it led me down the rabbit hole.

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Back then, there was a handful of websites, the BFRO

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being one of them, and I got on there and

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started reading signing reports. It was just amazed that people

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actually went out and actively looked for this thing. I

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had no idea. And then eventually I found a group

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that was based out of Oklahoma and managed to hook

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up with those people and started talking to them on

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the internet and they invited me to go along, and

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the rest is kind of history from there. Wow.

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So you were getting onto the computer and checking out

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the BFR was that nineties or yeah?

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That was like I got my first PC in nineteen

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ninety eight, and this would have probably been that following

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fall of ninety eight. Whenever I started checking out Bigfoot

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stuff specifically, I actually reached out to the BFRO. At

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the time, they had just like you could just go

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on their website and apply for membership. I was actually

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staying the night over at a friend's house and I

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was up late on his computer and just bored. So

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I was like, I'm just going to apply. Why not?

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So I put in an application, and I remember there

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were like there was a section where they're like what

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kind of research equips do you have? And I was like,

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I've got a camcorder, I've got a Polaroid camera, I've

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got a tape recorder. Just nothing in other words. And

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the next day I get back home and jeez, I

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sound so old telling this stuff, but there's a message

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on my answering machine. Oh yes, dude. Yeah, So I

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checked the message and it's from Matt Moneymaker. No way. Yeah.

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He called me and he's like, yeah, well you received

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your application. That tells you how long ago it was.

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And I heard the message, and I swear to god,

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I was like, my name's Matt and his Latin moneymaker? Really,

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like it's a scam, Like I should have known better.

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So I just erased the message and went on with life. Wow.

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And then my curiosity got the better of me and

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I started looking and I found out like, oh wait, no,

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his name really is Matt Moneymaker. It's actually a legit

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Bigfoot research organization. So I emailed them again, corresponded with

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not a little bit, and everything was good. But so

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technically I was a member of the BFRO. I never

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went on any audiens. I wasn't allowed on like the

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real message for him to talk to everybody or anything

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like that. I don't really know what. I was, the

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absolute worst, lowest level of number you could possibly be.

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I remember they used to like how they have now

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where they're like upcoming outings when you can sign up

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and pay to go on their outings and everything. Well

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back then they did have something similar, but it was

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we're having an upcoming outing here, if you want to

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be part of the research team, email us and they

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were coming to Oklahoma. So I was like, oh, here's

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my chance, and yeah, I got denied. Man, I got denied.

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They wouldn't let me go. Matt Moneymaker told me that

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I was too inexperience chanced, that people had very expensive

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equipment and they didn't want to be liable for that

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or anything like that. So I had to set that

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one out and that's what actually propelled me to look

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to see if there's any other groups and I found

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that one in Oklahoma. So I just started hanging out

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with them. Wow.

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So how old would you have been around like late nineties,

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early two thousand and then early twenties?

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Man, Oh wow, very early twenties, dude.

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That's that had been very interesting if you were in

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the BFRO at that time period in Oklahoma, for because

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of certain events that happened in alternate universe, you could

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have been involved with that.

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Yeah, that all of it would have been very crazy.

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If my path had stuck with the BFRO as opposed

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to trailing off in the other direction, everything would be different.

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You start getting involved in another group. Did you go

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out on expeditions trying to find a big Foot for yourself.

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Yeah. So at first there was a lot of getting

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to know the people. There was like a voice chat

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service called a peal Talk I believe it was called,

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where everybody hang out and talk over the microphones on

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their computers. And I got to know everybody there. And

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then one night they said, hey, some of us are

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meeting up in this town in Oklahoma if you want

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to meet up with us and go out. So I did.

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I loaded up my vehicle and drove forever, like three

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and a half hours to meet up with them, and

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went out with them. Got really freaked out the first

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night ever I'm out in the woods looking for bigfoot

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with people. I didn't know what to expect. I was

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a complete nube, and everybody was real nice and everything

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like that. Nothing happened. There might have been some eyeshiner something,

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but at that point I didn't even know what I

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Shine was. And then it was like the end of

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the night and everybody has their plans and everything and

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they're just like, it was nice meeting you. It's like, okay.

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So I'm driving back home at one am, out in

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the middle of nowhere, and I get pulled over by

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a sheriff, and I'm just like, oh man, this is

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not going to be good because my car, like at

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that time again being a nube going and meeting up

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with people I don't know. I had a shotgun in

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my vehicle. I had spotlights, flashlights, knives, everything bad you

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can possibly think of to have. And he gets me

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out of the vehicle and has me stand at the

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front of his car and he's he goes back and

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he's searching my vehicle and I'm like, yeah, there's a

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shotgun in the back. It's not loaded around the glove box,

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blah blah blah, and he's like okay, and he shines

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a splash light in there. And then I think I

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had like a Ceebee radio or something, and he pulled

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that out. It was just like a little handheld tebe

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radio and he sets that on top of the car,

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and he sets like a couple of knives on top

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of the car. They were just pocket knives, nothing crazy,

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and he's like, what are you doing with all this stuff?

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I was like, I was out with some people looking

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for bigfoot. I didn't know what to say, and he

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was like, looking for bigfoot, we're at And I told

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him what time we were in. He was like, they

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got bigfoot there, that's what they tell me. And he goes, huh,

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slow it down, have a good night, and just let

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me go, no problem, And so I thought I was

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going to stay the night in the jail. I thought, hindsight,

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I would not suggest anybody tell the police that you're

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out looking for bigfoot in the middle of the night

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with a bunch of weapons. It's probably not the brightest move.

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But he let me go, and yeah, that was my

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first ever trip out looking for Bigfoot.

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If there's any state you're going to get away with that,

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probably it's going to be Oklahoma, though, probably because you

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guys are are rocking and rolling when it comes to bigfoot.

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From what I've heard now, I'm an outsider, never been

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in the state before, but talked to a few people

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and I picked up that certain counties you could probably

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get away with stuff like that. Probably. Yeah, all right,

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So you had a pretty wild first night meeting the gang.

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Did you meet up with those guys again or yeah?

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So that group, it was part of the network of

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people that I was getting to know that I would

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eventually get in good with, and a lot of them

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I consider extended family at this point, that trip was

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just testing the waters. And then after that, my next

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trip was several months later and it was down to

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Texas and that was whenever I met the real main

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group that I had been talking to, met them all

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for the first time and started getting to know them,

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and again that trip introduced me to a lot of

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interesting people. It was definitely a crazy trip, but didn't

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see anything. Maybe heard some calls or something like that.

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But again, this is my second trip out into the

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woods looking for Bigfoot, so I was probably not noticing

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most of the stuff that was happening. But at that

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point I had the bug and this group was pretty active.

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We were going out. We were all from different states,

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so that caused a problem, but we were still going

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out at least once every three months or so, just

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meeting up somewhere for like anywhere from three days to

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a week and just hitting it hard the whole time.

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And at that time there wasn't really a lot of

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groups doing that. It was pretty interesting. Is it East

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Texas or yeah? Yeah, it was the Angelina National Forest

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exactly outside of Lufkin. I believe Zavala kind of got

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put on the map for a little while, and I've

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talked about that place a lot. We call it the

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dead End Road. There's a old sawmill in this forest

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Boaken Springs Park if anybody wants to look it up.

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And yeah, that place became famous. It became a historic

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Bigfoot location for Texas because of the group I was

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with and the things that we experienced there.

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Are you able to mention names of anyone that was

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in that group or do you have to keep that No.

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We affectionately started calling ourselves the Bigfoot Outlaws.

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Big for society. Who will be right back after these messages?

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Oh? Sure? So the most famous people are obviously Barren

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Coombo of that group, and then Dan Ricky, Loriie I

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think Lori Dierhood she goes by at this point. Whenever

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I knew her, it was a different name. Kelly Madden, Lee, Vicky,

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just a whole group. We were just the Outlaws. That

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was the same group that we eventually started doing podcasts

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together and everything else. And as far as I know,

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some of them are still actively going out into the

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woods twenty five years later.

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There might be some listeners that don't know what happened

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in that forest. Are you able to share, like what

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happened in that force that made it a location.

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The reason I was there, I didn't actually go on

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the first trip there. Like I said, we were all

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from different states and we would meet up. So wherever

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we were meeting up at, there'd be a person that

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kind of hosted that get together and would scout locations

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for us to go to. And I don't even know

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how this location was picked. I don't know if it

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had a history of stuff or what. But they went there,

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and I'm trying to remember. I think it was like

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February or something. I think it was around Valentine's Day.

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Whenever they went there, and this was about a month

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before I went, And whenever they went there was a

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large group of people. There's probably ten to fifteen people

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on that outing, which that's another thing. We didn't really

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like to have big groups like that. We called them

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circus outings because usually the more people you have, the

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lesser chances of experiencing anything. But this particular time, they

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were in a caravan of vehicles. They're driving down this

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forest road at night, and a group of bigfoot crossed

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the road in front of them, and they all had spotlights.

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They hit the bigfoot with spotlights. They basically paralleled them

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down the road. They kept the spotlights on the group

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of bigfoot, and I would say probably four or five

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people out of the group all saw multiple bigfoot at

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the same time. So that was like a really big deal,

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still would be by anybody's standards, I would think, Oh absolutely.

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So after that outing, it's like, hey, we're going back.

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We got to go back down there. So that's why

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I got in on that trip and I went down

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there with them, And some of the things that I

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saw just that first trip down there were like the

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limb structures that you hear about. Those were the first

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times I ever actually saw limb formations that people attribute

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to bigfoot, tree bows, exes, things like that. But the

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strangest thing we saw. They had talked about these tracks

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in the road. Now I know this isn't going to

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make sense to a lot of people, but these guys

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weren't interested in casting footprints. They would sometimes, but they

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wanted to see bigfoot. They don't they're not in it

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for scientific purposes. They're in it because they enjoy it.

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They are trying to learn about the behavior and things

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like that. So they had talked about these footprints that

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they saw where they crossed the road at and everything.

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So whenever we went back down there, they took me

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to the spot. And this is like the first time

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we're driving in and they take me to the spot.

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They're like, yeah, the footprints are going to be right

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up here. We're going to turn right and they'll be

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right there after we turn right about thirty yards. So

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we do all that and there's this is so weird.

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So it looks like a trackway crossing the road, but

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the tracks are filled in with dirt, but it's like

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fresh dirt that's been brought in from someplace else. But

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they're in the shape of footprints, basically large footprints, and

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they're the same pattern as the footprints would be, except

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they have just these packed in dirt. Somebody had come

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in there and filled in the footprints, trying to cover

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them up for some reason. And I thought that was

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just really bizarre, because like, how would those people if

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they were lying to me, Why was that right there

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like where they said the tracks would be. It just

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didn't make sense. And that was whenever that was my

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first experience with maybe someone on an authority level is

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actively trying to cover this up and keep bigfoot a

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secret or something, because I just I couldn't come up

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with any other explanation for it. It just didn't make

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sense to me.

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And no footprints around, No like smaller footprints around the

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bigger footprints. It just no, it's so weird man.

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Yeah. Yeah, it reminded me. In Oklahoma, we have a

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lot of blacktop roads and whenever you get like holes

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in the blacktop, sometimes they'll come along with a truck

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and like shovel more blacktop into the holes and just

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pack it down with a shovel. And that's what it

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reminded me of. Somebody drove through with a truck that

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had dirt in the back of it and they just

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shoveled it into the tracks and packed it down and

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kept driving. Wow.

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So no video, No, nothing like that of the night

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when there was the multiple bigfoot in the road.

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Christ I think somebody may have been taking video at

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the time. I'm not sure. Like I said, I wasn't there.

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I'm trying to remember back. It seems like maybe somebody

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did have a video camera at the time. I don't

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know if they got anything or not. Probably not. I

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would assume I never saw a video or anything like that.

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It was more or less just the people I talk

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to all the time, you know, because we had talked

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just about every night on the computer. They all come

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from back from that trip and they're just they're going crazy.

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They're like, oh my god, you got to hear what

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we saw, and like all these different people are like

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telling me the same story. And I didn't really know

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what to think of it. But then the more I

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talk to the people and get to know them and everything,

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like these people aren't liars, Like they're not making this

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stuff up. And I don't know, man, it's one of

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the craziest thing. I wish I had been there, obviously,

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but it's one of the crazier stories for sure, because

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just so many people seeing them at once.

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You had the experience with seeing the filled in tracks.

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Was there ever a point after that, Matt, that you

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were able to have any experience where you saw an

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actual creature or was that the kind of pinnacle of

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seeing some sort of evidence when you're out in the field.

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Oh god, no, man, that's my second trip out into

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the woods. Well, you know, some people, that's all they get, right,

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I know, And that was part of the problem, that

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was part of the problem, I should say that. So

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these people, we weren't called anything at that point, so

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they were part of a different group. And there was

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a fallout in the group. And there is this guy

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in Oklahoma who said, hey, I'll give you guys a

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group if you want to come join it. And that

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group was called the Monkey Chasers. This guy was not

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serious about Bigfoot at all. He believed in Bigfoot, but

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he he just wanted people to hang out with, basically,

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And so the group was called the monkey Chasers. So

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I don't really like publicizing that because it's not a

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great name. That's what they were called, and that's the

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group I hooked up with. And these people, it was

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an amazing group of people. You've got Baron Coombo. That's

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just their nicknames. That's what they went by on the internet.

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So I'm going to respect that those guys had independently

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grown up in areas where Bigfoot was on their family's property.

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These are both country guys from the South who their

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first encounters were with Bigfoot were whenever they were children,

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and like their grandparents knew about Bigfoot, and these guys

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knew how to find them and knew how to call

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them in using vocalizations that they had learned over the

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years based on what they had heard Bigfoot make. Then

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you had Dan Rickey, who, like I said, was basically

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from south central Oklahoma at that point, and he had

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been researching Bigfoot since the nineteen seventies. I was in

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with a group of people that were all much older

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than I was, and they were all seasoned veterans in Bigfoot.

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They didn't care about making names for themselves, they didn't

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care about being scientific. All of them were from the

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South basically and just grew up in rural areas and

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just didn't care about fame or what you're supposed to

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do or how you're supposed to go about doing it.

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And they just applied a lot of outdoorsman knowledge and

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a lot of common sense. And that was the same

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way that I was brought up. I was brought up

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in it surrounding that was very similar to that, So

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I was comfortable with that. I was raised by my

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great grandparents. They were both country folks, raised learning how

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to hunt and fish at a very early age, so

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I didn't have a problem being with those type people.

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And they understood that, and they taught me a lot

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of stuff. Now I am a very skeptically minded person,

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So the stuff that they taught me, I didn't just accept,

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but I would take the things that they taught me

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and I would apply them myself and I got the

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same results. So I just started trusting them and started

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listening to them. This eventually led to me going out

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with them. It wasn't a real outing, it was more

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of a social get together. In two thousand and two,

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it was in soul for Oklahoma. We were all meeting

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up and having a big barbecue and amp out. But

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this park that we were in was historically known for

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having bigfoot activity. Tourists would report seeing bigfoot there. It's

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a very tourist active area. Locals knew about it, and

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some of the locals that we were networked with were

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in attendance and friends of ours, and they took us

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to a location that had active bigfoot sightings taking place.

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I got lucky. This area was at a nature center,

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which is basically a small building set up by the

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park rangers where you can go in. There's like restrooms

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you can use, and you can go in and get

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like pamphlets and brochures and stuff. And they got a

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few displays, but It's set in the middle of the woods,

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and we were actually in a parking lot for this

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nature center, and the group had split up in everything

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gone in different directions, and I hung towards the back

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with the other guy. He had a Gen three night

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vision scope that he was looking through, and he just said, Hey, Matt,

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come look at this and tell me. Tell me if

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you see what I would see. He didn't tell me

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what he was looking at. So I walked over there,

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got the scope. I'm looking through it. He's guiding me

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with his hand, showing me where to look and everything,

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and I see eye shine just inside the tree line.

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Distance not real sure. It couldn't have been more than

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thirty yards. The night vision scope that I was looking

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through was a monocular. It had a slight zoom on it.

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I'm not sure how much of a zoom, so that

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kind of throws off the distance. But I could see

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clearly eyeeshine looking right back at me. I tried to

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figure out what I was looking at. It didn't really

453
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make a lot of sense. I started looking at the

454
00:27:56.119 --> 00:27:59.559
eyes and then could see that the eyes were surrounded

455
00:27:59.559 --> 00:28:02.680
by a face. It was staring right back at me

456
00:28:02.920 --> 00:28:05.400
or at least it seemed like it was. The eyes

457
00:28:05.440 --> 00:28:09.119
were glowing very brightly. There was a branch going across

458
00:28:09.160 --> 00:28:11.920
the bottom of its chin, and then another branch going

459
00:28:11.920 --> 00:28:15.319
across its forehead, so I could see basically from the

460
00:28:15.319 --> 00:28:18.599
middle of the forehead down to just below the bottom lip.

461
00:28:19.079 --> 00:28:21.160
I'm not sure how long I stared at it, it

462
00:28:21.200 --> 00:28:24.640
seemed like forever. I took the night vision scope down

463
00:28:25.319 --> 00:28:27.440
in shock and I'm like looking at him and I

464
00:28:27.480 --> 00:28:30.039
was like, oh my god, is that a face? And

465
00:28:30.240 --> 00:28:32.200
I pull it back up to my face and it's gone.

466
00:28:32.759 --> 00:28:37.000
The thing's just gone. And where it had been, the

467
00:28:37.119 --> 00:28:39.960
branch that was going across the bottom of its chin

468
00:28:40.799 --> 00:28:43.759
was now higher up, so I think it was holding

469
00:28:43.839 --> 00:28:45.799
the branch down and like looking at us through the

470
00:28:45.799 --> 00:28:52.440
branches what I saw. Yeah, it's crazy, man, it's crazy.

471
00:28:52.559 --> 00:28:56.640
It reminds me. Yeah, So this thing I had a

472
00:28:56.680 --> 00:28:58.680
hard time. I still have a hard time with it

473
00:28:59.279 --> 00:29:05.240
because it's not something that makes sense. It's not human,

474
00:29:05.400 --> 00:29:08.279
it's not animal. I wasn't looking at a deer, I

475
00:29:08.319 --> 00:29:11.160
wasn't looking at a bear. I was nothing like that.

476
00:29:11.880 --> 00:29:14.440
It was the size of it of a large person,

477
00:29:14.480 --> 00:29:17.799
I would guess about six feet off the ground. The

478
00:29:17.839 --> 00:29:21.680
eyes were what I would describe as almond shaped, set

479
00:29:21.759 --> 00:29:27.160
farther apart than a human's eyes, very large, very deep,

480
00:29:27.279 --> 00:29:30.240
sunken into the head. The brow ridge was very pronounced,

481
00:29:30.839 --> 00:29:35.640
but the brow ridge was thicker in the middle between

482
00:29:35.680 --> 00:29:40.200
the eyes and tapered in as it went around towards

483
00:29:40.200 --> 00:29:44.240
the edge of the head. The hair was growing straight

484
00:29:44.319 --> 00:29:49.279
back slightly. I called it an Afro style hair at

485
00:29:49.319 --> 00:29:52.839
the time. It reminded me of if you're familiar with

486
00:29:53.000 --> 00:29:55.599
the old Wolfman movies, like the old black and White

487
00:29:55.599 --> 00:29:59.279
wolf Man movies. Yep. Absolutely, I couldn't see the top

488
00:29:59.279 --> 00:30:00.559
of the head, so I don't if it had a

489
00:30:00.599 --> 00:30:04.599
sagual crest. It's just what I could see. The forehead

490
00:30:05.640 --> 00:30:08.480
was actually covered in hair. It didn't have a bare forehead.

491
00:30:08.519 --> 00:30:10.599
The hair came all the way down to the brow

492
00:30:10.759 --> 00:30:14.680
ridge and grew backwards up over the back of its head.

493
00:30:14.960 --> 00:30:20.079
I couldn't see any visible ears. Its jawline was very wide.

494
00:30:20.319 --> 00:30:25.519
The jaw sat wider than the temples did. The cheek

495
00:30:25.559 --> 00:30:31.400
bones were very high and pronounced. The nose wasn't like

496
00:30:31.519 --> 00:30:35.000
anything I've seen. I have a really hard time describing

497
00:30:35.039 --> 00:30:37.880
the nose because the bridge of the nose was thin

498
00:30:39.000 --> 00:30:46.160
and scooped out, almost ape, but also almost human at

499
00:30:46.160 --> 00:30:48.200
the same time. It didn't have a bulb on the

500
00:30:48.240 --> 00:30:51.640
tip of its nose like we do. And its nostrils

501
00:30:51.680 --> 00:30:55.000
weren't like turned all the way up like a gorilla,

502
00:30:55.680 --> 00:30:59.000
but they were slightly upturned, but they sat really wide,

503
00:31:00.319 --> 00:31:03.759
really wide. And then the lips, the top lip was

504
00:31:03.839 --> 00:31:06.519
thinner than the bottom lip, and it looked like it

505
00:31:06.559 --> 00:31:09.599
had an underbite. The bottom of the jaw was sticking

506
00:31:09.640 --> 00:31:12.559
out farther than the top of the jaw. The facial

507
00:31:12.640 --> 00:31:17.079
hair was just like basically a man's pattern facial hair

508
00:31:17.200 --> 00:31:19.519
if you just grew out your beard and never shaved,

509
00:31:20.000 --> 00:31:22.839
like on the cheeks, not around the eyes or anything,

510
00:31:23.480 --> 00:31:27.119
thinner on the face and growing out longer into a

511
00:31:27.160 --> 00:31:30.720
beard from what I could tell. Yeah, and that's what

512
00:31:30.839 --> 00:31:34.599
I saw, and then it was gone. Didn't hear anything, leave,

513
00:31:35.039 --> 00:31:40.519
nothing like that. I think I believe we had smelled

514
00:31:40.680 --> 00:31:44.640
something skunky smell before I saw it, but that was

515
00:31:45.279 --> 00:31:48.599
I had such a hard time processing. I guess I

516
00:31:48.640 --> 00:31:51.279
still do because it's all these years later. I can

517
00:31:51.279 --> 00:31:53.000
still see it clear as day in my head.

518
00:31:54.079 --> 00:31:56.880
Big for society would be right back after these messages.

519
00:32:13.000 --> 00:32:15.240
It was very That was in two thousand and two,

520
00:32:15.279 --> 00:32:18.279
September of two thousand and two, so it was very

521
00:32:18.319 --> 00:32:22.799
early in my quote unquote bigfoot career, which was also

522
00:32:22.880 --> 00:32:26.640
hard to process because I had talked to a lot

523
00:32:26.680 --> 00:32:31.039
of people and you had grades out there, John Bendernagel,

524
00:32:31.680 --> 00:32:33.759
who had spent their entire lives out there and never

525
00:32:33.799 --> 00:32:38.359
seen one. And here I am just some kid basically

526
00:32:38.519 --> 00:32:40.799
just going out there, and I'm in a parking lot

527
00:32:40.799 --> 00:32:44.359
of all places, and I see one, and I'm just like,

528
00:32:44.559 --> 00:32:47.640
what is going on? I'm trying to figure out if

529
00:32:47.680 --> 00:32:50.640
somebody hoaxing me? Could that have been somebody in a mask?

530
00:32:50.799 --> 00:32:54.319
They would have had hiked in multiple miles through the

531
00:32:54.440 --> 00:32:57.000
dark to find us and new We didn't even know

532
00:32:57.039 --> 00:32:59.960
we were going to be there. We like eventually went there,

533
00:33:00.319 --> 00:33:02.799
but there was multiple locations and we were just going

534
00:33:02.839 --> 00:33:06.039
around from locational location and there was just no way

535
00:33:06.119 --> 00:33:09.559
that it could have possibly been anything. And it didn't

536
00:33:09.599 --> 00:33:13.240
look like anything I had ever seen. And yeah, that

537
00:33:13.400 --> 00:33:17.759
was it. That was it. That that locked me in

538
00:33:17.799 --> 00:33:18.359
for life.

539
00:33:18.839 --> 00:33:21.920
Oh, absolutely, there'd be no getting out of it after

540
00:33:22.359 --> 00:33:25.920
seeing something like that. Matt, that's wild. I'm sure you've

541
00:33:25.920 --> 00:33:30.480
replayed that over and over. Have you had the internal

542
00:33:31.079 --> 00:33:36.039
discussion where it's did I see something that's human or

543
00:33:36.079 --> 00:33:38.599
did I see something that's ape or is it something

544
00:33:38.759 --> 00:33:40.599
that is I don't even know?

545
00:33:41.200 --> 00:33:45.240
Excuse me. Yeah, I still go back and forth on that.

546
00:33:45.240 --> 00:33:49.960
That's the thing. Obviously, these things can't just be an animal.

547
00:33:50.519 --> 00:33:53.559
What I was looking at was not an animal, but

548
00:33:53.640 --> 00:33:56.599
at the same time, it wasn't a human and one

549
00:33:56.599 --> 00:34:00.119
of the most difficult things that I had with it,

550
00:34:00.640 --> 00:34:02.720
and I guess maybe it helped me. I don't know,

551
00:34:03.599 --> 00:34:08.440
but having that sighting, I nobody will ever be able

552
00:34:08.519 --> 00:34:11.239
to take that away from me. So it now became

553
00:34:11.320 --> 00:34:17.400
a discussion of these things do exist. So I'm skipping

554
00:34:17.440 --> 00:34:21.159
over all of the part of we're trying to figure

555
00:34:21.159 --> 00:34:23.960
out if they exist, you know what I mean. And

556
00:34:24.000 --> 00:34:27.599
that's where most researchers stay, trying to determine if they

557
00:34:27.639 --> 00:34:32.000
exist or not. And now I go to a point of, oh,

558
00:34:32.119 --> 00:34:35.599
I know they're there. So if they're there, is this

559
00:34:35.800 --> 00:34:38.480
sign of them? Are these limbs structures or is that

560
00:34:38.559 --> 00:34:41.159
something that they're making. Is that noise I just heard

561
00:34:41.199 --> 00:34:43.920
one of them? It almost gets to the point of

562
00:34:43.960 --> 00:34:47.960
paranoia a bit. There's a lot of After that point,

563
00:34:48.039 --> 00:34:51.760
it was trying to learn as much as I could

564
00:34:51.840 --> 00:34:56.320
about them, trying to understand what they are, what I

565
00:34:56.440 --> 00:35:01.639
had experienced, taking in multiple experiences is after that. But

566
00:35:01.719 --> 00:35:03.679
then you have to go home and settle down and

567
00:35:03.719 --> 00:35:06.480
be like give it a few days. You're like, Okay,

568
00:35:06.519 --> 00:35:10.280
so what really happened? What did I really experience and

569
00:35:10.360 --> 00:35:13.960
kind of filter it through. And then it's also a

570
00:35:14.000 --> 00:35:16.840
matter of it's a hangout that I've had for a

571
00:35:16.840 --> 00:35:20.760
long time because I was a researcher. Now I'm a podcaster.

572
00:35:21.320 --> 00:35:24.480
Now it's my job to let people share their stories.

573
00:35:25.039 --> 00:35:27.960
But it's hard to make that separation sometimes.

574
00:35:28.320 --> 00:35:31.280
Do you find that the line is very thin sometimes

575
00:35:31.320 --> 00:35:32.440
between those two things?

576
00:35:32.480 --> 00:35:35.599
Matt, Yeah, it for sure? Is it? For sure?

577
00:35:35.719 --> 00:35:40.840
Is it's very Sometimes I feel like I am. You

578
00:35:40.880 --> 00:35:46.079
see those old movies where it's like someone is in

579
00:35:46.119 --> 00:35:49.440
a cultural environment and they're researching it and they have

580
00:35:49.519 --> 00:35:53.119
to make the conscious decision. I'm not going to cross

581
00:35:53.159 --> 00:35:56.400
the line between observation because if I do, then I

582
00:35:56.559 --> 00:35:58.159
change the thing that I'm observing.

583
00:35:58.719 --> 00:36:02.280
Right, I don't know how I feel about that yet. Yeah,

584
00:36:02.320 --> 00:36:05.840
for sure, that's the thing. It's so there's the side

585
00:36:05.880 --> 00:36:10.440
of you go out into the woods, you hear a call.

586
00:36:10.440 --> 00:36:13.159
These things exist At this point in your own mind,

587
00:36:13.599 --> 00:36:17.480
it doesn't matter what anybody else says. So was that

588
00:36:17.559 --> 00:36:20.360
a bigfoot call? You didn't see a bigfoot make the call,

589
00:36:21.000 --> 00:36:26.159
so you can't say that it was. They exist, So

590
00:36:26.280 --> 00:36:28.159
what do you do with it? All you can do

591
00:36:28.239 --> 00:36:33.159
is document And we weren't documenting. We weren't documenting properly.

592
00:36:33.199 --> 00:36:36.159
I don't think most people document properly, and I think

593
00:36:36.199 --> 00:36:37.199
that's a huge issue.

594
00:36:37.599 --> 00:36:41.079
I talked to Mary Fabian a while back from the

595
00:36:41.119 --> 00:36:47.079
Pennsylvania Bigfoot Project, I believe is the title, and she

596
00:36:47.239 --> 00:36:51.519
had mentioned going down to Oklahoma and spending some time

597
00:36:51.800 --> 00:36:55.519
with a group down there that involves Kombo. Did you

598
00:36:55.880 --> 00:37:00.679
ever Were you ever involved with a research area called

599
00:37:00.800 --> 00:37:03.559
Purgatory or is that a sure you were?

600
00:37:03.719 --> 00:37:06.599
Okay? Yeah? Is that anything you can comment on? Or

601
00:37:06.679 --> 00:37:10.320
is it that place is just scary? It's called I

602
00:37:10.320 --> 00:37:14.280
didn't experience anything personal while I was there. It's a

603
00:37:14.320 --> 00:37:17.599
really weird place. People are pretty familiar with the term

604
00:37:17.719 --> 00:37:22.800
red dirt, especially pertaining to Oklahoma. We have a lot

605
00:37:22.840 --> 00:37:26.199
of iron in the soil and clay, and it's this

606
00:37:26.360 --> 00:37:30.079
red color in some areas, and Purgatory is one of

607
00:37:30.119 --> 00:37:34.519
those places where the dirt is red and you turn

608
00:37:34.559 --> 00:37:38.559
off the main road into this area and the road

609
00:37:39.480 --> 00:37:44.119
it's weird. The road goes it doesn't go down, but

610
00:37:44.239 --> 00:37:47.239
the rest of the world like goes up around it,

611
00:37:47.920 --> 00:37:52.679
and you're basically driving through a ravine like a small canyon,

612
00:37:53.239 --> 00:37:55.480
but all the roads are like that. You turn off

613
00:37:55.480 --> 00:37:57.400
one road onto another and you're still like in this

614
00:37:58.360 --> 00:38:02.079
enclosed area where there's it's not two lanes, it's like

615
00:38:02.480 --> 00:38:04.519
maybe a lane and a half. Like if a car

616
00:38:04.559 --> 00:38:06.559
comes towards you, you have to pull all the way

617
00:38:06.599 --> 00:38:09.320
over to the side to let them buy, but you can't,

618
00:38:09.360 --> 00:38:11.760
like if you're looking out your side windows, you can't

619
00:38:11.760 --> 00:38:14.880
see anything but a dirt wall. And then on top

620
00:38:14.920 --> 00:38:19.199
of that is woods, and you just feel so enclosed

621
00:38:19.199 --> 00:38:23.760
in there, and it's it's a place that has history

622
00:38:23.800 --> 00:38:26.800
that has a lot of folklore with it to spook

623
00:38:26.840 --> 00:38:30.079
you out even more. And then people find tracks in there,

624
00:38:30.119 --> 00:38:33.840
and they have sightings and they hear vocalizations and it's

625
00:38:33.920 --> 00:38:39.679
just such a confined, dark, scary place. And I don't

626
00:38:39.719 --> 00:38:42.920
know how it got the nickname Purgatory, if that's why

627
00:38:42.960 --> 00:38:47.519
it's called purgatory, but with the name and the just

628
00:38:47.599 --> 00:38:52.440
the overall atmosphere of the area and then the environment itself.

629
00:38:53.239 --> 00:38:55.840
That's one of those places where it's I did not

630
00:38:56.039 --> 00:38:58.000
like being there. I didn't like being there at all.

631
00:38:59.079 --> 00:39:01.920
We pulled off on the side of the road in

632
00:39:01.960 --> 00:39:04.880
this one area. It was like the only area where

633
00:39:04.880 --> 00:39:07.559
we could pull off, and we got out of the

634
00:39:07.679 --> 00:39:11.880
vehicles and we're just like surrounded by thick cedar trees.

635
00:39:12.639 --> 00:39:16.320
Like you can't see anything. It's just trees. There could

636
00:39:16.320 --> 00:39:18.079
be one ten feet away from you and you wouldn't

637
00:39:18.119 --> 00:39:20.960
be able to see it, and it's just pitch black dark.

638
00:39:21.199 --> 00:39:23.400
And I hated it. I just hated it out there.

639
00:39:23.960 --> 00:39:28.039
It sounds like a very unnerving place. Yeah, sure, how

640
00:39:28.079 --> 00:39:31.000
I would like it's cool to know that a little

641
00:39:31.039 --> 00:39:34.519
bit more about it though, because she wouldn't really get

642
00:39:34.559 --> 00:39:35.000
into it.

643
00:39:35.559 --> 00:39:38.440
Yeah, some of the stories, I don't want to get

644
00:39:38.440 --> 00:39:42.000
the stories wrong, right, And they were all like secondhand,

645
00:39:42.360 --> 00:39:47.320
but like this was a long time ago, early nineteen

646
00:39:47.400 --> 00:39:52.199
hundreds time, if I'm remembering correctly. If like locals traveling

647
00:39:52.239 --> 00:39:56.440
through the area, you know, would break down, and they

648
00:39:56.559 --> 00:39:59.039
didn't want to break down in this area because the

649
00:39:59.079 --> 00:40:04.079
monsters would get and then sometimes outsiders would come along,

650
00:40:04.239 --> 00:40:07.800
and the locals didn't want outsiders coming through there, so

651
00:40:07.840 --> 00:40:11.960
they'd send them through purgatory and just things like that,

652
00:40:12.760 --> 00:40:16.880
stories of people disappearing, bad stuff. There's a lot of

653
00:40:16.880 --> 00:40:19.920
scary stories like that in Oklahoma. That sounds amazing. I

654
00:40:19.920 --> 00:40:22.639
would read a book about it. And that leads me

655
00:40:22.760 --> 00:40:26.559
to another question I usually bring up for Oklahoma. Guess

656
00:40:27.920 --> 00:40:32.599
is it why is it that Oklahoma has all these

657
00:40:32.840 --> 00:40:37.239
wild bigfoot stories, sometimes super aggressive. Do you think it's

658
00:40:38.360 --> 00:40:42.440
is there a storyteller aspect to those that are in

659
00:40:42.480 --> 00:40:44.760
the state, or do you think it's just a state

660
00:40:44.800 --> 00:40:48.280
where a lot of crazy stuff happens. I think it's

661
00:40:48.320 --> 00:40:51.920
a little bit of both. I think there's definitely some

662
00:40:51.960 --> 00:40:56.159
storytelling going on. I know for a fact there's a

663
00:40:56.199 --> 00:41:01.719
few famous stories out there that were to begin with

664
00:41:01.840 --> 00:41:04.320
that have taken on a life of their own. But

665
00:41:04.440 --> 00:41:07.119
then I also know the siege at Ho Nubby. I

666
00:41:07.159 --> 00:41:10.239
remember whenever that happened. I remember it being on the news.

667
00:41:10.519 --> 00:41:14.440
It was a major thing. It made national media whenever

668
00:41:14.480 --> 00:41:19.519
it happened. And I've talked to MI Comfreys and stuff,

669
00:41:19.519 --> 00:41:24.320
and like that story's true, and I think that had

670
00:41:24.320 --> 00:41:28.159
a lot to do with how bigfoot is viewed in Oklahoma.

671
00:41:28.800 --> 00:41:33.599
And I haven't really had the same experiences as other people,

672
00:41:33.679 --> 00:41:38.039
so I can only speak for myself. But I've never

673
00:41:38.079 --> 00:41:42.519
been attacked by a bigfoot. I've never felt threatened. Maybe

674
00:41:42.559 --> 00:41:45.519
I was, I don't know. I've had rocks thrown and

675
00:41:45.559 --> 00:41:48.559
stuff like that. Definitely heard some loud noises that were

676
00:41:48.639 --> 00:41:52.000
very scary. One time I heard what sounded like a

677
00:41:52.039 --> 00:41:56.280
tree being shoved over. But I'm here, I live to

678
00:41:56.320 --> 00:41:58.880
tell about it, so I think a lot of it

679
00:41:58.920 --> 00:42:03.000
is just a lot of rumor. I think maybe bigfoot

680
00:42:03.119 --> 00:42:07.880
are more aggressive in some areas. I think that not

681
00:42:07.960 --> 00:42:11.199
to stereotype my fellow Okie's or anything, but a lot

682
00:42:11.239 --> 00:42:14.400
of them, if they hear somebody walking around on their

683
00:42:14.400 --> 00:42:17.320
property at night, they're probably just gonna shoot the shotgun

684
00:42:17.360 --> 00:42:20.039
out the back door and worry about it later. And

685
00:42:20.079 --> 00:42:24.039
I think maybe those type of interactions with people have

686
00:42:24.559 --> 00:42:26.239
caused some problems over the years.

687
00:42:26.599 --> 00:42:30.360
What are your thoughts on the whole area X thing.

688
00:42:30.599 --> 00:42:32.679
Since we're talking about Oklahoma.

689
00:42:33.440 --> 00:42:38.000
I know Kathy and Bob Strain, Okay, and I've talked

690
00:42:38.000 --> 00:42:42.079
to them a long time ago about their experiences there.

691
00:42:42.719 --> 00:42:46.840
That part of the country. It's just that's Bigfoot's territory.

692
00:42:47.480 --> 00:42:52.480
I don't know anybody in that area, researcher wise, that

693
00:42:52.519 --> 00:42:58.440
hasn't experienced something. I think the people involved with that

694
00:42:58.599 --> 00:43:03.000
location are some very intelligent people that know what they're doing.

695
00:43:03.719 --> 00:43:07.599
I don't keep up with their current research that much anymore,

696
00:43:08.239 --> 00:43:11.639
but I was at the beginning and they were doing

697
00:43:11.679 --> 00:43:15.719
some stuff that I thought was groundbreaking. Now I believe,

698
00:43:16.639 --> 00:43:19.559
while it's not a real popular thing, and I don't

699
00:43:19.559 --> 00:43:21.800
think they publicize it a lot, I think they're trying

700
00:43:21.840 --> 00:43:24.960
to take one. I think they're just actively trying to

701
00:43:24.960 --> 00:43:28.039
take a specimen. I don't know if they'll accomplish that

702
00:43:28.159 --> 00:43:32.320
or not, but if they do, good for them. I

703
00:43:32.360 --> 00:43:33.880
know a lot of people that have tried to do

704
00:43:33.920 --> 00:43:37.559
that for a very long time, a lot of seasoned

705
00:43:37.960 --> 00:43:43.679
outdoorsmen and hunters and intelligent people that have never accomplished

706
00:43:43.679 --> 00:43:48.199
the mission. So I think if it were up to me,

707
00:43:48.320 --> 00:43:52.800
I would spend my efforts elsewhere. But to each their own.

708
00:43:53.239 --> 00:43:56.719
Do you think that's ever happened in Oklahoma?

709
00:43:57.440 --> 00:43:58.719
Yeah? Ever? Yeah?

710
00:43:58.800 --> 00:44:02.480
Oh really, Yeah, there's actually been specimens.

711
00:44:02.800 --> 00:44:08.280
I heard a story from someone that I believe to

712
00:44:08.320 --> 00:44:13.760
be true about a landowner that shot one and disposed

713
00:44:13.800 --> 00:44:16.760
of the body in a cistern on their property. And

714
00:44:17.280 --> 00:44:21.480
this wasn't like a researcher or anybody affiliated with research

715
00:44:21.519 --> 00:44:24.840
at all. This was just a person that thought they

716
00:44:24.880 --> 00:44:29.719
had a trespasser and thought they were stealing something and

717
00:44:30.480 --> 00:44:34.320
gave them a verbal warning and then shot them and

718
00:44:34.480 --> 00:44:37.480
went out and saw that it wasn't a person and

719
00:44:37.760 --> 00:44:41.760
freaked out and threw it in their cistern. And it

720
00:44:41.840 --> 00:44:48.079
was something that relatives people involved knew about and they

721
00:44:48.079 --> 00:44:51.159
were It just came up in a conversation and the

722
00:44:51.239 --> 00:44:53.639
right person just happened to hear the story. And that's

723
00:44:53.639 --> 00:44:56.599
the only reason I even know about it. But I

724
00:44:56.639 --> 00:44:59.440
can't really give away too many details. I know that's

725
00:44:59.480 --> 00:45:03.559
so frust writing the listeners. But because of the details,

726
00:45:04.159 --> 00:45:05.440
I believe that story.

727
00:45:05.199 --> 00:45:08.920
Is true, which is totally understandable, as we both know

728
00:45:09.800 --> 00:45:13.639
half the things that we get told can never be told.

729
00:45:14.679 --> 00:45:19.400
Yeah on the actual podcast, which is probably infuriating to

730
00:45:19.519 --> 00:45:21.199
listeners of both of our shows.

731
00:45:21.719 --> 00:45:27.119
Oh it's so bad, guys, I'm sorry. Yeah, I will

732
00:45:27.159 --> 00:45:28.480
not break anyone's trust.

733
00:45:29.159 --> 00:45:31.960
Big for Society will be right back after these messages.

734
00:45:48.840 --> 00:45:51.159
Yeah, that's right there with you.

735
00:45:51.159 --> 00:45:55.280
You know, there's you know, I'm sure there's probably been

736
00:45:55.320 --> 00:45:58.400
a few episodes of your shows where it's taken a

737
00:45:58.519 --> 00:46:01.239
year or so for a per to actually get to

738
00:46:01.280 --> 00:46:05.239
the point where they will chat with you, let alone

739
00:46:05.880 --> 00:46:06.559
beyond air.

740
00:46:07.320 --> 00:46:11.800
It's wild, you know, how it is, trying to find

741
00:46:12.079 --> 00:46:15.119
new guests and stuff like that. And every once in

742
00:46:15.119 --> 00:46:20.239
a while, I'll run across someone somewhere saying something, I've

743
00:46:20.280 --> 00:46:23.480
listened to your show for years, and then you find

744
00:46:23.480 --> 00:46:26.199
out that they have an encounter or something. You're like, Okay,

745
00:46:26.239 --> 00:46:29.679
so why haven't you emailed me? If you've been listening

746
00:46:29.719 --> 00:46:31.360
and you had an encounter, why haven't you talked to me?

747
00:46:31.400 --> 00:46:33.280
And a lot of people just don't want to talk

748
00:46:33.280 --> 00:46:36.360
about their siding. Yep, they just don't want me. And

749
00:46:36.760 --> 00:46:39.559
I still think that not only do they not want

750
00:46:39.599 --> 00:46:41.800
to talk about their siding, but the number of sightings

751
00:46:41.800 --> 00:46:45.639
that happen that never even make it to the bigfoot world.

752
00:46:46.320 --> 00:46:49.880
I think that's still a thing. I don't think everybody

753
00:46:50.000 --> 00:46:52.760
runs to the internet and types in Bigfoot and tries

754
00:46:52.840 --> 00:46:56.280
to submit a report or go on a podcast talking

755
00:46:56.320 --> 00:47:01.039
about has one ever been shot in Oklahoma? That's another story.

756
00:47:01.239 --> 00:47:06.000
I was actually at a doctor's appointment and I was

757
00:47:06.000 --> 00:47:10.280
sitting there filling out the paperwork or whatever, waiting for

758
00:47:10.360 --> 00:47:14.400
my turn. And I'm sitting by the door going in,

759
00:47:15.039 --> 00:47:19.920
and this old man's like leaving and the door is glass.

760
00:47:20.079 --> 00:47:22.400
It's open, but it's glass, and I'm sitting right next

761
00:47:22.400 --> 00:47:25.280
to the door so i can like see through it

762
00:47:25.599 --> 00:47:27.920
with the corner of my eye. As he's walking out,

763
00:47:28.320 --> 00:47:31.519
and I see him stop and look at me, and

764
00:47:31.559 --> 00:47:33.559
then he like steps back, so I turn and I

765
00:47:33.599 --> 00:47:38.039
look at him, and he's like, nice shirt. I was like,

766
00:47:38.159 --> 00:47:42.840
oh thanks. Now at the time, I'm wearing a T

767
00:47:42.960 --> 00:47:45.400
shirt that's got a bigfoot on the back of it.

768
00:47:45.400 --> 00:47:47.800
It's but it's got the state of Oklahoma, like the

769
00:47:47.800 --> 00:47:51.000
silhouette of Oklahoma on the front. And I wasn't I

770
00:47:51.159 --> 00:47:55.880
just thought he was another Okie, you know, another fellow

771
00:47:55.920 --> 00:47:58.320
Oklahoma and saying nice shirt because he I wasn't even

772
00:47:58.360 --> 00:48:02.119
thinking about the bigfoot. And I was just like, oh thanks.

773
00:48:02.159 --> 00:48:04.119
And I went back to what I was doing, and

774
00:48:04.159 --> 00:48:06.800
he started to walk out again. Then he stops and

775
00:48:06.840 --> 00:48:09.800
he comes back again, and I looked back up at him,

776
00:48:09.840 --> 00:48:13.000
and his eyes are searching around the room and everything,

777
00:48:13.480 --> 00:48:15.599
and then He looks back at me. He says, I

778
00:48:15.639 --> 00:48:18.159
shot one when I was twelve, and I'm just like

779
00:48:18.719 --> 00:48:22.519
what he was, like, yeah, whenever I was a kid.

780
00:48:22.599 --> 00:48:26.639
And he proceeds to tell me the story about when

781
00:48:26.679 --> 00:48:28.639
he was twelve, he was staying the night at a

782
00:48:28.639 --> 00:48:34.199
friend's house. His friend's dad was like a local sheriff.

783
00:48:34.320 --> 00:48:37.239
He told me, like, where are the property's at and everything.

784
00:48:38.159 --> 00:48:42.920
They were there by themselves. They heard something messing around outside.

785
00:48:43.239 --> 00:48:45.559
They shined a light out back and they saw this

786
00:48:45.639 --> 00:48:49.639
thing out by the horse corral and the kid's dad

787
00:48:49.840 --> 00:48:52.880
had I think a rifle sitting by the back door,

788
00:48:53.800 --> 00:48:57.599
and the guy grabbed it and started shooting. The thing

789
00:48:57.800 --> 00:49:01.679
yelled and ran off into the darkness. They were freaked out.

790
00:49:02.599 --> 00:49:06.000
They waited for the dad to come home. I think

791
00:49:06.639 --> 00:49:11.239
told him. Sheriff's department comes out. They try tracking the

792
00:49:11.239 --> 00:49:15.199
blood trail and everything. They follow it. It goes to

793
00:49:15.280 --> 00:49:19.559
the neighbor's property. They contact the neighbor. The neighbor said

794
00:49:19.559 --> 00:49:22.800
that he saw the thing run by. He was like

795
00:49:22.840 --> 00:49:24.960
sitting out on his front porch or something and saw

796
00:49:24.960 --> 00:49:27.960
the thing running by. He couldn't make out what it was.

797
00:49:28.079 --> 00:49:31.360
It looked like a man, but it was dark, and

798
00:49:31.440 --> 00:49:34.119
this guy's telling me the story and he's got to be,

799
00:49:34.960 --> 00:49:38.960
I don't know, in his late seventies at least. And

800
00:49:39.000 --> 00:49:42.960
as he's telling me the story, he's Jeremia. He's giving

801
00:49:42.960 --> 00:49:45.880
me details of This is how the house was shaped,

802
00:49:45.880 --> 00:49:47.559
This was the room that we were in, this is

803
00:49:47.599 --> 00:49:50.920
the property, this is the layout. Like it was silhouetted

804
00:49:50.960 --> 00:49:53.119
against the horse corral and then it ran across in

805
00:49:53.119 --> 00:49:55.400
front of the side of the barn, and like tears

806
00:49:55.440 --> 00:49:57.840
are welling up in this old man's eyes as he's

807
00:49:57.880 --> 00:50:01.159
telling me the story. And he he's never met me

808
00:50:01.239 --> 00:50:03.159
before in his life. He doesn't know what I do.

809
00:50:04.039 --> 00:50:06.760
He just saw a guy with a bigfoot shirt on,

810
00:50:07.360 --> 00:50:09.960
and he just you could tell he just wanted to

811
00:50:09.960 --> 00:50:12.199
get the story out. He'd wanted to tell somebody that

812
00:50:12.239 --> 00:50:14.840
would listen. And I just sat there and I was

813
00:50:14.880 --> 00:50:18.679
just like amazed. I asked him just like a couple

814
00:50:18.800 --> 00:50:24.360
questions and told him, Hey, I really appreciate you sharing

815
00:50:24.360 --> 00:50:26.719
your story with me. And that was it. We parted

816
00:50:26.760 --> 00:50:30.039
away as he left, and the first thing that happened,

817
00:50:30.079 --> 00:50:32.119
my wife is like, why didn't you get his name

818
00:50:32.199 --> 00:50:34.079
or something to have him on here podcast. I was

819
00:50:34.119 --> 00:50:36.559
like I didn't even think of it. I completely forgot

820
00:50:36.599 --> 00:50:38.760
to even do a bigfoot podcast at that point. It

821
00:50:38.800 --> 00:50:43.719
was just such such a pure moment. Yeah, and the

822
00:50:43.760 --> 00:50:46.360
guy is telling me like the story of a lifetime

823
00:50:46.519 --> 00:50:49.320
and like tears are welling up in his eyes. It

824
00:50:49.400 --> 00:50:52.079
was just amazing. But so yeah, I guess that would

825
00:50:52.079 --> 00:50:55.519
also count as another story about one being shot in

826
00:50:55.519 --> 00:50:56.559
Oklahoma that I believe.

827
00:50:56.880 --> 00:51:01.239
When you think about your podcast, Bigfoot cross Roads, is

828
00:51:01.280 --> 00:51:04.440
there an episode that kind of you're like, God, that

829
00:51:04.599 --> 00:51:07.920
was one of my favorites that people might want to

830
00:51:08.039 --> 00:51:08.480
check out?

831
00:51:09.239 --> 00:51:12.599
Oh jeez, man, I know it's hard to yeah, to

832
00:51:12.639 --> 00:51:17.400
answer that question. That's such a hard question without looking

833
00:51:18.000 --> 00:51:21.440
all of them. Is that the correct answer? Right? There's

834
00:51:21.480 --> 00:51:25.199
a few, there's one, you know, you've got some of

835
00:51:25.239 --> 00:51:30.559
the more popular ones. A guy named Mike Blueler, who

836
00:51:30.599 --> 00:51:35.119
I believe started his own podcast, actually had an amazing

837
00:51:35.159 --> 00:51:40.039
story about having this standoff with one while he was

838
00:51:40.079 --> 00:51:42.760
in a tree stand hunting. This thing came down to

839
00:51:42.800 --> 00:51:47.440
the base of his tree stand and wouldn't leave. Pretty

840
00:51:47.519 --> 00:51:50.800
terrifying account. Guy got a pretty good look at the thing.

841
00:51:51.480 --> 00:51:54.760
Definitely had an impact on his life. I've had a

842
00:51:54.800 --> 00:51:59.199
lot of great discussions with researchers Shane Corson recently I

843
00:51:59.280 --> 00:52:02.880
really enjoyed in that episode. But yeah, there's just man,

844
00:52:02.880 --> 00:52:04.840
there's just been so many.

845
00:52:05.960 --> 00:52:10.000
A great episode with a guy from Iowa that had

846
00:52:10.039 --> 00:52:14.199
some really interesting things happened. So if I've got listeners

847
00:52:14.239 --> 00:52:16.119
from Iowa, I know I've got a lot of listeners

848
00:52:16.159 --> 00:52:19.960
from Iowa, so that's where I'm from. Bigfoot Crossroads has

849
00:52:19.960 --> 00:52:24.519
a great Bigfoot Iowa episode. It's not maybe a month

850
00:52:24.599 --> 00:52:28.559
or two back, I can't remember exactly. But also the

851
00:52:28.639 --> 00:52:33.320
classic the podcasts you were involved with before Bigfoot Crossroads,

852
00:52:33.679 --> 00:52:38.599
the Outlaws, how can people is how do people listen

853
00:52:38.679 --> 00:52:40.920
to that older podcast?

854
00:52:41.000 --> 00:52:44.800
Is there a special way to do that or there is? Okay,

855
00:52:45.239 --> 00:52:49.480
that one's kind of tricky. So you'll learn things whenever

856
00:52:49.559 --> 00:52:53.880
you're a podcast in the Bigfoot world. And so back

857
00:52:53.880 --> 00:52:57.840
in the day, we were on a platform called blog

858
00:52:57.880 --> 00:53:03.280
Talk Radio. Oh boy, man, that was a mess. That

859
00:53:03.960 --> 00:53:07.119
platform sucked, but at the time that's what we had,

860
00:53:08.079 --> 00:53:13.400
and eventually things happened. We quit doing the podcast, and

861
00:53:13.440 --> 00:53:16.400
then years later I started the podcast back up with

862
00:53:16.679 --> 00:53:20.559
just Baring Cumbo. Originally we had multiple members of the

863
00:53:20.559 --> 00:53:24.119
Outlaws on there, but Eventually it just became me Baron Cumbo,

864
00:53:25.159 --> 00:53:28.320
and I gave them the spotlight and I took the

865
00:53:28.320 --> 00:53:32.159
production role and it was the third seat. But we

866
00:53:32.199 --> 00:53:36.039
did the show on YouTube. I started, this is going

867
00:53:36.119 --> 00:53:39.840
to be a really long drawn out answer, but I

868
00:53:39.840 --> 00:53:44.760
feel that it needs an explanation people understand. So in

869
00:53:44.800 --> 00:53:48.519
these episodes, I was only putting them on YouTube, and

870
00:53:48.599 --> 00:53:52.000
so I put a loop of a campfire as the

871
00:53:52.119 --> 00:53:55.599
video for people to watch as they're listening, and that

872
00:53:55.840 --> 00:54:01.280
loop has caused me so much grief. There's an audio

873
00:54:01.320 --> 00:54:04.480
track with that loop of the campfire crackling and stuff.

874
00:54:05.440 --> 00:54:10.920
And this third party company that licensed audio to content

875
00:54:11.000 --> 00:54:15.920
creators has software that scans YouTube for their content to

876
00:54:15.960 --> 00:54:17.960
make sure everybody's on the up and up with it,

877
00:54:18.360 --> 00:54:22.280
and it kept on pegging my videos, the big Foot

878
00:54:22.280 --> 00:54:27.519
out law videos with copyright strikes. I was getting like

879
00:54:27.599 --> 00:54:31.880
ten a day, okay, and on YouTube, that's dangerous territory.

880
00:54:31.920 --> 00:54:34.280
That will yank your channel and it will be gone forever.

881
00:54:34.880 --> 00:54:39.119
It was a year long headache. I wasn't doing anything wrong.

882
00:54:40.079 --> 00:54:42.960
Eventually it was sorted out with the company, but in

883
00:54:43.000 --> 00:54:48.239
that process I learned how dangerous certain things can be

884
00:54:48.320 --> 00:54:50.920
on YouTube and I didn't want to lose the channel

885
00:54:51.000 --> 00:54:54.760
or anything. My best option was to take all of

886
00:54:54.800 --> 00:54:57.320
the big Foot out Law videos that had that content

887
00:54:57.400 --> 00:55:01.239
with the campfire on there and put it behind a paywall.

888
00:55:02.039 --> 00:55:05.039
And that has made people so angry, but I said

889
00:55:05.039 --> 00:55:07.519
it at the lowest amount. It's like under three dollars,

890
00:55:08.239 --> 00:55:10.920
and whenever you pay the three dollars become a member,

891
00:55:11.440 --> 00:55:15.639
you get access to the entire archive of big Foot

892
00:55:15.639 --> 00:55:20.039
out Law Radio, including old blog talk shows that I

893
00:55:20.119 --> 00:55:23.840
still have. I still have everything. I have every episode

894
00:55:23.880 --> 00:55:26.519
that the big Foot Dollars I've ever done. But to

895
00:55:26.599 --> 00:55:30.760
keep from losing my channel and to stop the stupid

896
00:55:30.760 --> 00:55:34.400
software from flagging my content, I had to put it

897
00:55:34.440 --> 00:55:38.000
behind a paywall. It was either that or go through

898
00:55:38.519 --> 00:55:41.599
over two hundred episodes and redo all of them. And

899
00:55:42.039 --> 00:55:43.480
I'm sorry, I just can't do that.

900
00:55:43.960 --> 00:55:50.159
Over the years of you being out in on it's say,

901
00:55:50.480 --> 00:55:54.239
different expeditions, et cetera, were you did you ever hear

902
00:55:54.239 --> 00:55:55.920
any of vocalizations?

903
00:55:56.239 --> 00:55:59.840
Yeah? What kind of vocalizations would you hear? What kind

904
00:55:59.840 --> 00:56:02.079
of you want to know about? All right, okay, fine,

905
00:56:02.480 --> 00:56:09.840
I've heard screaming, I've heard growls, I've heard some sort

906
00:56:09.920 --> 00:56:14.960
of what sounded like language being spoken between two different individuals.

907
00:56:15.639 --> 00:56:21.480
I've heard whoops, of course, I've heard wood knocks, I've

908
00:56:21.519 --> 00:56:26.519
heard rock clacking, I've heard am I missing anything like?

909
00:56:27.039 --> 00:56:29.719
I've heard a lot of strange stuff. Man. We used

910
00:56:29.760 --> 00:56:32.519
to one of the first piece of equipment I ever

911
00:56:32.559 --> 00:56:35.400
bought was called a bionic ear. Oh yeah, a big

912
00:56:35.440 --> 00:56:40.800
parabolic dish that was like super sensitive, and I would

913
00:56:40.960 --> 00:56:44.039
record audio the whole time. Other members of the group

914
00:56:44.159 --> 00:56:47.119
all had parabolic dishes like that they would be recording

915
00:56:47.119 --> 00:56:51.079
an audio. Thousands and thousands of hours of audio has

916
00:56:51.159 --> 00:56:54.639
been gone over and listened to. I've heard all kinds

917
00:56:54.639 --> 00:56:59.079
of vocalizations. Probably the most impressive one was again in

918
00:56:59.159 --> 00:57:04.440
Eastern Texas, where I heard what I can only describe

919
00:57:04.719 --> 00:57:11.440
as a roar crossed with a man screaming. It was crazy.

920
00:57:12.159 --> 00:57:18.920
I actually tried to recreate it digitally using some software,

921
00:57:19.800 --> 00:57:22.519
just to try and like put something with it, because

922
00:57:22.679 --> 00:57:25.480
nobody was recording audio at the time whenever this happened,

923
00:57:26.320 --> 00:57:29.480
and so I made like this digital audio track of

924
00:57:29.840 --> 00:57:34.320
this scream roar thing, And little did I know that

925
00:57:34.679 --> 00:57:38.480
somehow people got a hold of it and used it

926
00:57:38.519 --> 00:57:42.800
for nefarious means on the Internet. And there's like several

927
00:57:43.159 --> 00:57:48.639
famous videos using my digitally created scream. How thing that

928
00:57:48.719 --> 00:57:51.360
I made on my computer way and I didn't even

929
00:57:51.400 --> 00:57:54.800
know about it. Somebody sent me a TikTok video one time,

930
00:57:55.760 --> 00:57:59.960
and it was a clip from an old video called

931
00:58:00.079 --> 00:58:04.000
the Mushroom Hunter video. If any that's you, that's my scream,

932
00:58:04.599 --> 00:58:07.519
Oh man, I'll send you the file.

933
00:58:08.079 --> 00:58:11.440
No, I know the sound by heart because I've heard

934
00:58:11.480 --> 00:58:13.000
it so many times on TikTok.

935
00:58:13.159 --> 00:58:15.599
That's your sound. That's why I created that on my

936
00:58:15.719 --> 00:58:19.880
computer in a program called Acoustica Mixedcraft, and I just

937
00:58:20.079 --> 00:58:23.199
did it as an example of what I had heard.

938
00:58:23.880 --> 00:58:27.840
And I used it on blog talk radio on somebody

939
00:58:27.880 --> 00:58:32.599
else's podcast that predates any of my own podcasts. It

940
00:58:32.719 --> 00:58:35.480
was the first podcast I was ever associated with, and

941
00:58:35.519 --> 00:58:40.559
I was just like a background producer person and I

942
00:58:40.639 --> 00:58:44.719
created it. I think they played it. Stan Courtney had

943
00:58:44.719 --> 00:58:48.320
it posted on his website because Stan Courtney was a

944
00:58:48.400 --> 00:58:51.280
veteran in the bigfoot world that was focused on audio

945
00:58:52.039 --> 00:58:55.159
and vocalizations, and he wanted to post it on his

946
00:58:55.199 --> 00:58:59.280
website because he liked it, and so I gave him

947
00:58:59.320 --> 00:59:02.199
permission to do it. And I guess maybe that's where

948
00:59:02.199 --> 00:59:04.280
somebody got ahold of it at some point. I don't

949
00:59:04.280 --> 00:59:07.239
know how they found it. I've seen it used as

950
00:59:07.400 --> 00:59:12.440
the soundtrack for an old clamation dinosaur movie. I keep

951
00:59:12.480 --> 00:59:15.280
on running across it, and I've tried to put out

952
00:59:15.280 --> 00:59:17.920
the word I made like a short video saying, hey,

953
00:59:18.000 --> 00:59:20.960
if you run across this sound I made it. Whoever's

954
00:59:20.960 --> 00:59:23.880
posting it is a liar because the Mushroom Hunter video.

955
00:59:23.960 --> 00:59:25.719
I didn't even know about it. Man, I didn't know

956
00:59:25.719 --> 00:59:28.039
about it until a couple of years ago. And the

957
00:59:28.119 --> 00:59:30.719
Mushroom Hunter video like got on TV and stuff. It

958
00:59:30.840 --> 00:59:32.440
was millions.

959
00:59:32.599 --> 00:59:36.760
Oh my goodness, when you heard the woofs, was there

960
00:59:36.800 --> 00:59:39.960
a pattern to the ones that you heard or anything?

961
00:59:40.239 --> 00:59:43.320
Yes? Yeah, I'm not going to share the pattern though.

962
00:59:43.840 --> 00:59:48.239
Let me tell you this much. Okay. So I told you, Okay,

963
00:59:48.880 --> 00:59:50.360
I'll leave it up to you whether you leave this

964
00:59:50.480 --> 00:59:54.920
in or not. Okay. I told you that Baron Cumbo

965
00:59:55.000 --> 00:59:59.599
knew how to make calls. Yeah, so Baron Cumbo knew

966
00:59:59.639 --> 01:00:04.079
how to make calls independently, like Kuombo knew how to

967
01:00:04.079 --> 01:00:05.840
do it, and Baron knew how to do it before

968
01:00:05.880 --> 01:00:09.599
they ever met one another. They were doing calls before

969
01:00:09.880 --> 01:00:10.679
anyone else.

970
01:00:11.840 --> 01:00:14.679
Big for society will be right back after these messages.

971
01:00:30.719 --> 01:00:35.960
Now, whenever I say before anyone else, I mean at

972
01:00:35.960 --> 01:00:40.719
that point in time, nobody in the Bigfoot community, in

973
01:00:40.760 --> 01:00:47.920
the research field was doing vocalizations. Not Bobo, not the BFRO,

974
01:00:48.599 --> 01:00:53.760
nobody Baron Coombo. We're taking a task on it. Nobody

975
01:00:53.800 --> 01:00:58.000
really believed that it was possible. Nobody was like, you

976
01:00:58.039 --> 01:01:00.920
can't call these things in where did you learn the calls?

977
01:01:01.559 --> 01:01:06.880
Nobody wanted to believe them. The BFRO started doing call blasting.

978
01:01:07.480 --> 01:01:13.920
The BFRO offered Bearing Cumbo a spot with the BFRO.

979
01:01:14.679 --> 01:01:18.360
They turned it down. Then the BFRO offered to purchase

980
01:01:18.440 --> 01:01:22.199
recordings of their calls so they could sound blast them,

981
01:01:22.559 --> 01:01:26.159
which they also turned down. They did not sell them

982
01:01:26.159 --> 01:01:31.760
the calls. There are certain individuals that do calls are

983
01:01:31.880 --> 01:01:36.320
very similar to the ones that Bear and Cumbo have done,

984
01:01:37.000 --> 01:01:41.199
at least some of them, but Bearing Cumbo used to

985
01:01:41.320 --> 01:01:46.199
do abbreviated versions of the calls. Whenever we were on

986
01:01:46.360 --> 01:01:50.599
outings that had large groups of people. Because one they

987
01:01:50.639 --> 01:01:55.840
work and a person who's inexperienced or doesn't know what

988
01:01:55.840 --> 01:01:59.400
they're doing or is in the wrong situation, they did

989
01:01:59.400 --> 01:02:02.920
not want their responsibility of those individuals being hurt by

990
01:02:02.960 --> 01:02:05.800
trying to go somewhere and repeat the calls on their own,

991
01:02:05.960 --> 01:02:10.280
and so they would do these shortened abbreviated calls basically

992
01:02:10.360 --> 01:02:16.239
in a public setting, and somehow other people started doing

993
01:02:16.320 --> 01:02:20.599
those abbreviated calls. I don't know if somebody recorded them

994
01:02:20.639 --> 01:02:25.800
doing the calls and then it got passed around. I

995
01:02:25.920 --> 01:02:30.519
don't know. Maybe nothing happened, maybe it's just coincidence. But

996
01:02:31.679 --> 01:02:34.039
I've heard a lot of people doing the abbreviated call,

997
01:02:34.159 --> 01:02:39.159
which is not the correct call. But there is certain

998
01:02:39.199 --> 01:02:43.440
calls that I have seen be extremely effective. Now, with

999
01:02:43.480 --> 01:02:47.320
that being said, I have also seen a woman screaming

1000
01:02:47.360 --> 01:02:50.320
at the top of her lungs be extremely effective. I've

1001
01:02:50.360 --> 01:02:53.920
heard led Zeppelin being blasted through the car speakers being

1002
01:02:53.960 --> 01:02:57.800
extremely effective. I've heard people sitting around the campfire being

1003
01:02:57.840 --> 01:03:02.840
extremely effective. So I don't know. You can put whatever

1004
01:03:03.039 --> 01:03:06.920
you want to into that, right, but that's the story

1005
01:03:06.960 --> 01:03:10.559
behind those calls. That's why I could never do the calls.

1006
01:03:10.719 --> 01:03:13.920
I sucked at it. That's just cool to think about that.

1007
01:03:14.000 --> 01:03:19.039
There's a version of a bigfoot call that is so

1008
01:03:19.280 --> 01:03:23.039
powerful that if it was to be used, it would

1009
01:03:23.159 --> 01:03:24.480
like that or.

1010
01:03:24.480 --> 01:03:27.320
That it's not being a sort of distress call. It's

1011
01:03:27.360 --> 01:03:32.000
got to be wow it I don't know, like it was.

1012
01:03:32.400 --> 01:03:35.199
It got to the point where there were different times

1013
01:03:35.239 --> 01:03:38.480
where I was like, don't do that call, really, just

1014
01:03:38.519 --> 01:03:41.960
don't do it just because of the response was yeah,

1015
01:03:42.559 --> 01:03:47.480
certain environments, like in certain situations, because I'll be honest, man,

1016
01:03:47.519 --> 01:03:51.639
sometimes it gets scary out there, and if I'm a

1017
01:03:51.719 --> 01:03:54.239
mile away from my vehicle, I don't want somebody calling

1018
01:03:54.280 --> 01:03:57.639
them in. I would like to experience them at a distance.

1019
01:03:58.280 --> 01:04:00.320
I don't like it. I don't like the idea of

1020
01:04:00.400 --> 01:04:01.360
them coming in up close.

1021
01:04:01.760 --> 01:04:04.079
Okay, can you think of a time where it was

1022
01:04:04.159 --> 01:04:06.800
just too intense I'd like to get out of here.

1023
01:04:06.920 --> 01:04:09.360
Or yeah, whenever I heard the tree being pushed over,

1024
01:04:09.559 --> 01:04:13.239
I'm alled, asked. I've experienced some crazy things, man, some

1025
01:04:13.320 --> 01:04:17.440
crazy things. There was another time whenever I was out

1026
01:04:17.440 --> 01:04:20.440
with the guy that I used to research with actively.

1027
01:04:21.000 --> 01:04:24.039
So after that sighting that I had down in sulfur,

1028
01:04:25.119 --> 01:04:28.440
sulfur became my main research area. I was like, I

1029
01:04:28.480 --> 01:04:30.599
know they're here, this is where I'm research Why would

1030
01:04:30.599 --> 01:04:33.840
I go anywhere else? I did, but for the most part,

1031
01:04:34.400 --> 01:04:38.360
I stayed in the sulfur and I My house is

1032
01:04:38.440 --> 01:04:44.559
like basically three hours away from there, and I just

1033
01:04:44.760 --> 01:04:47.519
was fortunate enough at the time where I could spend

1034
01:04:47.559 --> 01:04:50.199
a lot of time down there. The majority of my

1035
01:04:50.280 --> 01:04:54.960
time was spent down there. And this one particular time,

1036
01:04:55.679 --> 01:05:00.000
it was just me and him in this area and

1037
01:05:00.000 --> 01:05:03.679
basically we had heard something do a call, like as

1038
01:05:03.679 --> 01:05:06.119
soon as we got out of the vehicle, a whoop,

1039
01:05:06.559 --> 01:05:11.199
probably not even fifty yards from where we were, extremely loud,

1040
01:05:11.920 --> 01:05:15.039
and there was a creek running through the area, and

1041
01:05:15.079 --> 01:05:18.000
we could hear it run across the creek and we

1042
01:05:18.079 --> 01:05:22.840
knew exactly where it was. So we hauled but trying

1043
01:05:22.840 --> 01:05:25.280
to catch up with it, trying to see it, which

1044
01:05:25.320 --> 01:05:29.719
we didn't, and we split up, which was a mistake.

1045
01:05:30.559 --> 01:05:34.079
And this was right at dusk. It was rapidly getting dark.

1046
01:05:34.119 --> 01:05:37.679
We're in the middle of the woods and I'm going

1047
01:05:37.719 --> 01:05:43.239
down this trail and off to my right, where all

1048
01:05:43.280 --> 01:05:47.639
the tree cover is, something is whistling, just a single

1049
01:05:47.639 --> 01:05:51.000
tone whistle. It sounds like a person, but I can't

1050
01:05:51.039 --> 01:05:55.360
see anything. I could hear the whistle and I could

1051
01:05:55.400 --> 01:05:59.199
hear footfalls as it ran. And as I'm going on

1052
01:05:59.199 --> 01:06:03.440
this trail, it just stays at my I walk down

1053
01:06:03.480 --> 01:06:07.960
the trail twenty more yards. It's still to my right,

1054
01:06:08.039 --> 01:06:12.280
so it's like paralleling me and whistling, but it's staying

1055
01:06:12.639 --> 01:06:15.440
just to my right and just a little bit ahead

1056
01:06:15.480 --> 01:06:18.079
of me. And I'm going down this trail and I'm

1057
01:06:18.159 --> 01:06:22.119
just the whole thought process is it's gonna screw up.

1058
01:06:22.960 --> 01:06:25.000
It's gonna screw up. It's gonna step out from behind

1059
01:06:25.039 --> 01:06:27.840
a tree, or there's going to be too big of

1060
01:06:27.880 --> 01:06:30.079
a gap, and I'm going to see it. So I'm

1061
01:06:30.119 --> 01:06:33.599
trying to just keep on going, and it's just staying

1062
01:06:33.639 --> 01:06:35.320
a little bit ahead of me, a little bit ahead

1063
01:06:35.320 --> 01:06:39.039
of me. And as I'm going down this trail, the

1064
01:06:39.079 --> 01:06:42.320
tree line's getting closer and closer to me. And on

1065
01:06:42.400 --> 01:06:44.199
my left side is the creek that we heard it

1066
01:06:44.280 --> 01:06:49.000
running across. But eventually that creek gets real narrow and

1067
01:06:49.039 --> 01:06:51.800
then you're sandwiched in the woods on both sides of you,

1068
01:06:52.239 --> 01:06:55.000
and the trail just goes straight through the woods. And

1069
01:06:55.119 --> 01:06:58.320
I got almost to where that point happens, that choke point,

1070
01:06:59.039 --> 01:07:02.519
and I was like, what am I doing? It's getting darker,

1071
01:07:02.639 --> 01:07:05.960
I'm by myself, the trees are getting closer to me.

1072
01:07:06.559 --> 01:07:09.519
This thing is like am I being lured right now,

1073
01:07:09.639 --> 01:07:11.719
is that what it's trying to do. And just that

1074
01:07:11.760 --> 01:07:15.000
whole thought process unfolding scared the crap out of me,

1075
01:07:15.559 --> 01:07:20.239
because according to folklore, whenever something whistles for you in

1076
01:07:20.280 --> 01:07:23.599
the woods, you're not supposed to follow it. That's been

1077
01:07:23.639 --> 01:07:26.719
a thing forever. If you hear whistling in the woods,

1078
01:07:27.000 --> 01:07:29.599
you go home. You do not go into the woods

1079
01:07:29.599 --> 01:07:33.559
after it. And I just like that thought that might

1080
01:07:33.599 --> 01:07:37.039
be what's happening right now scared me so bad, man,

1081
01:07:37.840 --> 01:07:41.880
so bad. And whenever that ice water starts running through

1082
01:07:41.880 --> 01:07:44.719
your veins all of a sudden, it's a whole new feeling.

1083
01:07:45.039 --> 01:07:48.400
And I don't care how brave you are. Whenever you

1084
01:07:48.440 --> 01:07:51.920
spook yourself, there's no coming back from that one. So

1085
01:07:52.039 --> 01:07:54.400
I hauled it out of there. I met up with

1086
01:07:54.440 --> 01:07:58.400
my friend. He was actually at this point he had

1087
01:07:58.440 --> 01:08:01.599
gone around and so back around and was on the

1088
01:08:01.599 --> 01:08:04.440
opposite side of the creek. I could see him, but

1089
01:08:04.480 --> 01:08:06.239
I had to walk the long way to get back

1090
01:08:06.239 --> 01:08:11.079
to where he was. So I come back and making

1091
01:08:11.119 --> 01:08:13.760
my way to him, and off to the left of

1092
01:08:13.800 --> 01:08:18.239
the trail, now there's this old dead log, like a

1093
01:08:18.359 --> 01:08:22.439
huge tree that had fallen down years ago. Just a

1094
01:08:22.479 --> 01:08:26.000
massive tree, probably two and a half three feet in diameter,

1095
01:08:26.119 --> 01:08:28.720
laying right next to the trail, running parallel with it.

1096
01:08:29.159 --> 01:08:32.520
And as I'm walking by it, keep in mind it's

1097
01:08:32.640 --> 01:08:37.279
not pitch dark yet, but it's hard to see and

1098
01:08:37.359 --> 01:08:41.039
we don't have any flashlights or anything. But on the

1099
01:08:41.079 --> 01:08:45.359
back side of this log, there's like this what looks

1100
01:08:45.399 --> 01:08:48.520
like grass like growing over the back of it, like

1101
01:08:48.720 --> 01:08:53.640
long grass, dead grass. And I stopped. And at this

1102
01:08:53.760 --> 01:08:56.399
point in time, I had like a walking stick with

1103
01:08:56.479 --> 01:08:59.520
me that I just take with me whenever I got

1104
01:08:59.520 --> 01:09:03.399
into the wood, and something flashed in my head to

1105
01:09:03.479 --> 01:09:07.359
poke at the grass, but I didn't. I was just

1106
01:09:07.479 --> 01:09:10.399
like that stupid and I just kept walking. Met up

1107
01:09:10.399 --> 01:09:13.960
with my partner, told him about the whistling and everything.

1108
01:09:14.520 --> 01:09:18.159
Where was it. Let's go back there, Okay, So we're

1109
01:09:18.199 --> 01:09:21.239
going to go back see if it'll start whistling again.

1110
01:09:21.640 --> 01:09:24.640
So we're walking down the trail, we come to the

1111
01:09:24.720 --> 01:09:30.840
log and Jeremiah, the grass is gone. There's nothing there.

1112
01:09:31.039 --> 01:09:33.439
It's just an empty space on the back side of

1113
01:09:33.479 --> 01:09:36.760
the log. And I'm just like what and I like

1114
01:09:36.840 --> 01:09:38.760
stop him. I like put out my arm and stoff

1115
01:09:38.800 --> 01:09:41.800
and I was like, I told him what had just happened? Now,

1116
01:09:41.920 --> 01:09:45.640
I don't know. I don't know. The only thing I

1117
01:09:45.640 --> 01:09:49.800
can think of, and I know this is reaching, but

1118
01:09:50.479 --> 01:09:53.359
for the sake of a good story, that dead grass

1119
01:09:53.399 --> 01:09:57.079
was hair. That's all I can think of. And it

1120
01:09:57.159 --> 01:09:59.319
was just laying against the back side of that log,

1121
01:09:59.439 --> 01:10:02.159
frozen stuf bill, waiting for me to walk by.

1122
01:10:02.720 --> 01:10:04.359
The only thing that makes sense, dude.

1123
01:10:04.680 --> 01:10:08.399
Yeah, it was such an obvious, such a dramatic change

1124
01:10:08.439 --> 01:10:12.520
in the environment, anybody would have noticed it. And all

1125
01:10:12.520 --> 01:10:14.600
I could think about is like, oh man, what if

1126
01:10:14.640 --> 01:10:16.960
I had poked it? What if I had just gone

1127
01:10:17.000 --> 01:10:19.079
in and poked it with that stick? What would have happened.

1128
01:10:19.479 --> 01:10:22.239
Did you ever hear any baby cries when you're out

1129
01:10:22.239 --> 01:10:22.760
in the woods?

1130
01:10:23.119 --> 01:10:27.560
No, that is it weird that I wanted to not

1131
01:10:27.640 --> 01:10:31.520
a real baby, of course, but no, I never did.

1132
01:10:32.079 --> 01:10:35.079
But those stories always freak me out whenever people talk about.

1133
01:10:34.800 --> 01:10:39.079
It, or people using it as a call blasting technique.

1134
01:10:39.119 --> 01:10:42.399
And yeah, heard stories that come out of that that

1135
01:10:42.520 --> 01:10:47.640
are very unnerving. You can bring in certain predators. All times.

1136
01:10:47.960 --> 01:10:51.560
We had thought about doing that before. We had an

1137
01:10:51.600 --> 01:10:56.159
idea about setting up a dummy camp and actually having

1138
01:10:56.199 --> 01:10:58.479
people go in and set up camp and having like

1139
01:10:58.479 --> 01:11:01.279
a baby doll with them and then going in the

1140
01:11:01.319 --> 01:11:04.560
tent and leaving the baby doll and leaving camp and

1141
01:11:04.600 --> 01:11:07.279
then having like audio play out of the tent of

1142
01:11:07.319 --> 01:11:09.960
the baby grind. But we never did it, but we

1143
01:11:10.000 --> 01:11:12.239
thought about it. So if anybody would like to use

1144
01:11:12.239 --> 01:11:13.319
that idea, feel free.

1145
01:11:13.640 --> 01:11:16.600
I got one last question for you, and maybe this

1146
01:11:16.680 --> 01:11:24.319
is so. I've been in this whole Bigfoot culture, adventure thing,

1147
01:11:24.359 --> 01:11:27.960
whatever you call it for close to five years now.

1148
01:11:28.600 --> 01:11:32.319
Is it because I'm just noticing a certain way or

1149
01:11:32.520 --> 01:11:38.720
does it feel like there are new hoax videos every

1150
01:11:39.000 --> 01:11:43.359
other day now or has it always been like that?

1151
01:11:44.000 --> 01:11:48.680
No, I think you're noticing correctly. He used to be

1152
01:11:49.039 --> 01:11:52.279
a lot bigger deal. They would make a major event

1153
01:11:52.319 --> 01:11:56.960
out of it. And I think just because of technology

1154
01:11:57.640 --> 01:12:02.199
and the popularity of Bigfoot, how much it's grown, that

1155
01:12:02.319 --> 01:12:05.600
it's so much easier for people to do now. But

1156
01:12:05.680 --> 01:12:09.520
there's definitely a lot more coming out most of the

1157
01:12:09.560 --> 01:12:14.000
hoaxing that was taking place back in the day, which

1158
01:12:14.279 --> 01:12:17.600
sounds ridiculous to me because there's obviously days long before

1159
01:12:17.640 --> 01:12:22.840
I came around, it wasn't in video form. You would

1160
01:12:22.920 --> 01:12:27.159
have a lot of hoaxed audio, and you would have

1161
01:12:27.359 --> 01:12:29.760
just people making up stories, which I still think you do,

1162
01:12:30.479 --> 01:12:34.880
but the video stuff. With everybody having access to apps

1163
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and stuff and different things that they can use to

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01:12:39.279 --> 01:12:42.640
perform hoaxes. The idea that like anybody can go on

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01:12:42.680 --> 01:12:45.279
the Internet and buy that one big foot costume for

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01:12:45.319 --> 01:12:49.359
like one hundred bucks. Yeah, absolutely, yeah, hoaxes. In my

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01:12:49.560 --> 01:12:53.399
time Georgia hoax as I call it, the Rick Dyer hopes.

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I used to spend a lot of time exposing hoaxers.

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01:12:56.840 --> 01:13:02.520
That was kind of my thing, and it used to matter.

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01:13:03.159 --> 01:13:09.520
But now, quite honestly, certain people have a large following

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01:13:10.000 --> 01:13:15.279
and those followers are going to believe their person that

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nobody wants to feel like they've been duped, and the

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01:13:18.239 --> 01:13:21.920
Internet has such a short memory that it really doesn't

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matter anymore. You can point out hoaxes, you can point

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01:13:25.479 --> 01:13:27.479
out whatever you want, but really all you're going to

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01:13:27.560 --> 01:13:29.640
do is piss people off and they're not going to

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01:13:29.720 --> 01:13:30.359
care anyways.

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01:13:31.000 --> 01:13:34.319
Absolutely, what do you think the focus of the community

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should be instead of maybe let's out all the hoaxers

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01:13:39.800 --> 01:13:43.319
or it may be a better focus to Yeah.

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For sure, I respect people that are still going out

1182
01:13:45.520 --> 01:13:50.359
there and fighting the good fight. I definitely appreciate research

1183
01:13:50.399 --> 01:13:53.680
groups that are out there and doing the documentation and

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01:13:53.720 --> 01:13:57.479
putting in the boots on the ground time and trying

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01:13:57.560 --> 01:14:03.159
to bring forth evidence. I think people really just need

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01:14:03.199 --> 01:14:06.520
to let people do their thing, and let them do

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01:14:06.600 --> 01:14:10.199
it however they want to have fun with it. If

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01:14:10.199 --> 01:14:13.439
you're not having fun, you're doing it wrong. You shouldn't

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01:14:13.439 --> 01:14:15.800
be doing it. If you're not having fun, you've got

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01:14:15.800 --> 01:14:17.560
to be able to laugh at yourself a little bit.

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As I've gotten older and spending less time in the field,

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01:14:22.920 --> 01:14:25.319
the folklore and the story side of it matters to

1193
01:14:25.399 --> 01:14:29.239
me now way more than it used to. And I

1194
01:14:29.279 --> 01:14:35.319
think that it's not just this scientific endeavor to prove

1195
01:14:36.359 --> 01:14:40.640
some uncategaloged species. I think it's much bigger than that.

1196
01:14:40.680 --> 01:14:43.960
At this point. I think it's a whole thing. I

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01:14:44.039 --> 01:14:47.680
think it's the folklore. I think it's the entertainment along

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01:14:47.760 --> 01:14:51.479
with the encounters with the creature, whatever it may or

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01:14:51.479 --> 01:14:55.199
may not be, the experiences that eyewitnesses have. I think

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01:14:55.600 --> 01:14:58.880
it shares all those categories at the same time, and

1201
01:14:58.960 --> 01:15:03.039
people need to understand and that what your purpose is,

1202
01:15:03.600 --> 01:15:07.239
what you're trying to accomplish isn't necessarily what somebody else's

1203
01:15:07.279 --> 01:15:09.640
focus is or what they're trying to accomplish or why

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01:15:09.680 --> 01:15:14.800
they're here and just live and let live. I like that.

1205
01:15:14.800 --> 01:15:18.479
That's that is so true. I'm one hundred percent on

1206
01:15:18.520 --> 01:15:19.039
board with that.

1207
01:15:19.720 --> 01:15:20.000
Matt.

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01:15:20.359 --> 01:15:25.039
This has been a very enjoyable conversation. I'm glad we

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01:15:25.159 --> 01:15:30.159
finally were able to chat. Do you mind reminding people

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01:15:30.560 --> 01:15:35.319
or how can they keep up to date with your

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episodes and also contact you if they would like to

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01:15:40.199 --> 01:15:43.960
report anything to you down in Oklahoma about what's going

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on all that good stuff.

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01:15:45.800 --> 01:15:50.279
Yeah, the easiest way is Bigfoot Crossroads dot com. You

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01:15:50.279 --> 01:15:53.199
can find contact information, you can find links to all

1216
01:15:53.199 --> 01:15:55.680
the social media, you can find past episodes.

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Everything's all right there, fantastic and big fast. If you're

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will also love match. It's a good time. I like

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01:16:18.279 --> 01:16:21.079
listening to it. But Matt, thank you so much for

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coming on, man, and have a great night.

1224
01:16:23.800 --> 01:16:25.640
Yeah, of course, thanks for having me, man. I have

1225
01:16:26.119 --> 01:16:27.359
thoroughly enjoyed it, Sir.

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01:16:28.680 --> 01:16:31.439
Here at Bigfoot Society, our goal is to provide a

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Then we can start the conversation. And I know a

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01:16:53.359 --> 01:16:57.439
lot of you have not shared your encounter at all.

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It's been twenty years and it's time that you get

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this off your chest and then you can get some

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well deserved for rest because I know you haven't been sleeping.

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