Frozen with Fear in the Deep Woods of Oregon

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Society and now let's get on with the

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show. All right, Big for
Society. We got the privilege of talking

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to Brad today. He's a listener
from Oregon that reached out with some really

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interesting things that he's experienced over the
years. Brad, I'm so glad you

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reached out and I'm excited to talk
to you tonight. How's it going man,

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great, Jeremiah, thanks for having
me on the show. Awesome.

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We talked a little bit in the
pre interview and this is going to get

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a pretty interesting There's even some Oakridge, Oregon related stuff. For that I'm

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coming up, but Brad, I'm
going to give it right over to you

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and we'll get right into it tonight. All right, thank you very much,

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Jeremiah. I grew up in Eugene, Oregon, and I was an

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outdoorsy kind of kid. My grandparents
lived on the Mackenzie River up near the

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town of Vida, and I spent
all my childhood free time up there roaming

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the woods and the creeks in the
hillsides. And grandparents are a little looser

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than the parents are about where the
kid is, so I was I'd had

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free range to in the mountains.
I never really thought about sasquatch or bigfoot

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at all growing up, and never
really had anything happened to me that would

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make me think that there were any
bigfoot around. But until I was about,

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let's see how old one, I
was probably around fourteen years old,

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fifteen years years old. My grandma
would drive me up these old logging roads

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with my bow, and I would
hunt these logging roads on my way and

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just wander my way back to her
house down these logging roads. And there

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was a time she dropped me off
and there about it's about a three or

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four mile walk back down to her
house. And I was let out of

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the car, and the birds were
chirping and the squirrels were chattering at me,

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and I would usually sit and wait, sit in a little burrow ditch

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and wait for her car, so
I couldn't hear a car anymore. And

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then I start walking down the logging
road. And never really planned on shooting

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a deer with a bow. It
was more of just me being out in

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the woods. But anyway, I
heard her car disappear out of range,

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out of my hearing, and all
of a sudden, I just had this

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very strange sensation of being It's like
the forest just went silent, and I

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just got a really weird feeling.
So I'm standing on the logging road looking

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down into the ravine below me,
and these three deer come creeping up out

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of the ravine, really low,
really a strange movement, hunkered down and

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almost trying to crawl, and they
were covered in sweat, totally ladded over,

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and their eyes were bulging out of
their heads and they walked within I

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could have reached out and hit one
with touching with my arrow. They were

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so close and they could have cared
less that I was there. I thought

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that was really weird. And so
I'm looking down into the ravine where they

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came from, and a tree like
it's just got cracked in half and was

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pushed over, and there was no
wind, there was no reason for it

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to happen. It sounded like a
healthy, live green fir tree just snapped

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in half. And that was the
first encounter. But again in the eighties,

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I wasn't a figure. It was
definitely not on my mind. I

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just thought it was strange and wandered
on back to my grandma's house. And

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then, let's see, there was
another time. I'm going to back up

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to when I was a little younger
before you do that. So I just

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want to clarify something. So you
when you were looking down the ravine youse,

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like you heard that tree get cracked
in half and pushed over. Yeah,

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I was dere walked by me.
I couldn't figure out why they were.

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I've never seen deer behave like that. They were just it was almost

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like they're creeping past me with her
and their eyes were bulghout and they looked

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if you see a horse, that's
all that's been run too hard. They

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just had this sheen of They looked
terrified. And then this tree just goes

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crack and goes crashing down to the
ground. Green, not punky, just

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a green, big fir tree.
It sounded like a mature tree, and

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it didn't freak me out, but
I just was odd and so I high

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tailed. I just losed that to
my grandma's house. When you were out

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in the woods with your bow,
did you ever hear any sounds out there

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that didn't fit with what should be
out in the wood. The only times

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I ever did are there are those
stories I'm going to tell you Other than

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that, never, which is it's
strange. I'd never it never crossed my

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mind. I was never no no
signs, or never even crossed my mind.

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I'll back up a little bit.
I skipped this one. This has

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happened when I was ten years old
on Lost Creek, at Lost Creek Campground.

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It's on the west side of Mount
Hood in nineteen eighty. And I

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know the date exactly because the day
after this event happened, Mount Saint Helens

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erupted, So maybe nineteen eighty it
was when this happened, and I was

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camping with a family friend for the
weekend, and again this I completely forgot

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about this until I heard somebody tell
a similar story. And it's funny how

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these things come back to you.
When you hear something it is sparked this

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memory. And I was we were
camping at this campground and it was a

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you pull your trailer in, and
it was a pretty crowded campground, and

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there we had a camper, there's
a tent, there's a cable set up,

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there was a fire pit, so
it was a cramped little space and

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I'm it's night and my friend and
I are sleeping in the tent and his

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parents are sleeping in the camper,
and I'm laying there in bed. I

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don't know what time it was,
ken between ten and midnight, probably because

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I wasn't asleep yet, when I
heard what sounded like a deer bounding through

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the camp bump bounding, and then
it stopped right outside our tent. And

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we had a little cord that was
a cold in the vestibule. We had

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it tied around a tree, and
we just I kept hearing this dump.

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It was twang in the cord and
I thought, oh, a deer must

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have jumped jumped the cord or tripped
into the cord or something, and then

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it thumped away. But what was
weird is a few minutes later I could

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thump came back and it did the
same thing. It was twaying the little

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cord that was holding the vestibule of
the camp cup, probably two or three

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twangs like a guitar string, and
then it stumped, dump dumped the way

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through camp. That was it.
So I wake up in the morning.

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I was like, gosh, did
you guys hear that deer in camp last

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night? And no one they didn't
hear anything. But then I started thinking

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this, there's no way a deer
could have run through the camp because it's

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so there's coolers and there's stuff everywhere. Besides, it was pointing. It

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was it would stomp stump up to
the camp stop and then the little cord

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would go blinging, buoying and librate
the camp. So that happened. It

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did that two times, and that
was and then the next morning. That

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morning we forgot all about it because
Mount Saint Helens had erupted while we were

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having breakfast and we could hear the
sonic boom and the ground shook and we

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all knew what it was. You
know, everyone in the Northwest was waiting

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for it to happen, So that
sort of trumped whatever happened to me that

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night, which I was pretty cool, And then there was ash all over

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our cars. The next day,
it was cool. Let's see, I've

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got another I'll talk a little bit
more about what happened upon the McKinsey River

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where I grew up. So let's
see, this is a weird one.

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So the year was let's see,
I wrote all this stuff, you know,

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nineteen. I was a junior in
high school and my grandma was a

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really cool old lady, and all
my high school friends would come up there

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and spend the night. She'd cooked
for us and we'd fish and run around

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the forest and play in the yard. And she had about thirteen acres.

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And one night we were out playing
a game called kick the Can, which

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is like a hide and seek game
where you put a can in the middle

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shield and one person guards it.
If someone gets tagged and you kick the

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can, the person who you tagged
goes free. So we're all out.

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They're probably eight of us playing this
game, and I'm hiding in some ferns

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and all of a sudden, a
couple of the people who are in that

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there's two people who are it.
They're out in the field going to stop

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and they are staring up at the
mountain side that's next to the property.

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And pretty soon all the rest of
the kids come out and they're all looking

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up in the sky and what the
heck's going on? So I get out

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of my hiding spot and I joined
them in the field and I look up

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and there are three green, bluish
green I think there were bluish green balls

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of light about the size of beach
balls, big kind of rubber beach balls

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you would see at like a music
festival or something. And there was So

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if I'm looking straight across the property
to the hillside is twelve o'clock. There

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was one at about nine o'clock that
was maybe three or four hundred yards away,

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not on our property, but the
next piece of property in the above

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the forest. There there was one
probably ten o'clock that was right above with

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this creek runs down into our property. And then there was one at about

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one o'clock, and they were just
green or beach balls, just hovering in

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the sky, and we're all like, WHOA, what's going on, what's

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that. We didn't know what they
were, and the rolodecks starts going over

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in your mind, is it a
weather, believing it? What is it?

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And then it was none of that. It was just these balls of

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light and at the same time,
so they were just stationary in the sky

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above the fir trees, and there
were different elevations, so one was down

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on our across from us flat,
probably twenty feet above the fur trees there,

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and the other one was another up
the hillside. They were all the

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same distance of the fir trees,
if that makes sense, And all of

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a sudden, at the very same
time, they started descending into the trees,

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into the fir trees, and you
could see all the boughs of the

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fir trees lighting up around them,
and they just slowly went into the forest

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at the same time. It was
really weird, and we freaked out and

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all went back inside and called it
at night. So that was strange.

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So the next day, so if
this is at the end of September,

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most of the kids left that next
day and my buddy and I were going

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to go grouse something. We stayed, so we're like, let's go grouse

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something. And so there's an old
logging road straight across from my grandma's place,

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and so we always hunt this logging
road and we'd hike a couple of

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miles up and there was this really
neat kind of we're hunting in. I'd

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say it's second growth. So the
trees were probably sixty or seventy years old

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old and pretty mature forest. But
there was a really cool spot that the

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loggers had left. They didn't cut, maybe eight or nine acres with really

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beautiful old growth. And so we'd
go hike to that spot, go leave

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our we'd always leave our guns outside
that we never took anything in there,

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any guns or weapons, just because
it was such as like a sort of

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a sacred place. It was really
amazing. So we'd go and sit and

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does it, and then we'd hunt
back down the road in my grandma's house.

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And there was a so between this
neat, little old growth section and

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her house was a giant one of
those big giant power lines that go across

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the state, those giant high tension
power lines, and a little service road

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ran under it. And we'd always
we'd go to the little old growth spot,

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come down and then turn down the
little service road underneath the hike tension

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power lines and eat a sandwich and
drink something because it was in the sun.

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Because when you're in the on these
logging roads and these big trees,

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it's like a tunnel and there's no
direct sunlight. So we'd always go and

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get a little sunshine on our faces
and have a sandwich and just sit and

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look out across the mountains. So
we've done that, we're on our way

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back down and we're it gets this
is where it gets pretty weird. And

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so let me see. So I'm
walking, we're walking down the road,

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and we're about to turn turn right
to go down this little service road,

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logging road to eat our sandwiches.
And from the from our right side,

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probably twenty yards in the just off
the edge of the logging road in the

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forest, we hear two whoops,
you know, really loud, and before

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we can really acknowledge what we just
heard, we both just stopped in freeze,

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and this way of unbelievable fear that
I can't really describe came over us.

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It was like we walked into an
invisible sort of bull of jelly.

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I couldn't move either, and my
friend and this fear was I can't describe

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fear. It's just unless it's happened
to you. I think it's hard to

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explain. So the hoops happen,
and then across the little service road there's

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another The forest continues, but it's
the face of this forest is it gets

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a lot of sunlight, so there
was scotch broom blackberries, so you couldn't

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really see into the little thicket of
trees that was on the other side,

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and from that side, all of
a sudden, and we're frozen and we

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can't move, and all of a
sudden, I hear the sound. And

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I've gone online and listened to certain
animals as I've heard people's accounts, and

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it sounded exactly like if you listen
to what an alligator, a crocodile sounds

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like. They vibrate. I don't
think they have vocal chords, but they

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make this weird vibrating noise. It
sounded exactly like that at first, where

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just my eyes are bulging out of
my head and the noise is just it's

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reverberating through this whole little landing that
we're standing in. We can kind of

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at this point, I'm sort of
like, oh, God, I'm starting

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to maybe pivot around a little bit. I can my senses are coming back,

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and we're talking back and forth,
like what the heck's going on?

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And as we start to talk,
that sound and it's inhaling and it's gets

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rasty inhale and just vibrating out this
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And then it goes from that sound
to and again I've listened. I've found

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these sounds online. It sounded like
a if you ever heard it, listen

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to a lion while I eat,
like a big male lion eating kind of

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purrs and growled at the same time, so it would inhale. You could

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hear it inhaling this really raspy noise, and then when it would exhale,

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it would make this sort of purring
growl like a lion. But it was

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really loud. And all I could
think of was, thing's got to be

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the size of a rhinoceros, whatever's
in there, And it was doing that.

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It would inhale and then exhale this
purring, strange growl, and we're

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starting to freak out a little bit, obviously, and we're thinking to ourselves,

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right in the heck, we're going
not a deer, not an elk,

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not a coolar, not a bear, and not a person in there

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trying to mess with us. But
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and which is weird because going up
an Oregon you hear about bigfoot, but

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it just wasn't entering my mind.
So we're standing there and I'd forgotten we

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even have guns because we're just so
scared. We start to shift our bodies.

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This is maybe a minute or two
has gone by since we heard those

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initial whoops, so it's going by
pretty quick, and the mines. My

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mind's just racing, racing, trying
to figure out what's happening. If we

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start to talk, what are we
going to do? How are we going

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to get because we have to walk
underneath there because the road cuts down below

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where this is happening in this little
thicket of trees, and the trees are

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probably there. It's a newer grove
of fir trees, and the trees were

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probably thirty forty feet tall, but
you couldn't see, Like I said,

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you couldn't really see in So we're
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we going to get get out of
here? Because that thing is whatever that

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thing is. It's mad. So
as as we're shifting and we're starting to

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talk about what we're going to do, I'm like, we got we each

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have a twelve eight shotgun. We
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it to run off, and then
booky out of there. And the minute

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I started to put my gun to
to consider lifting it up and firing it,

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the place erupted. It went from
this weird, purring growl to just

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this screaming roar of I can't again, I can't describe it. It was

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just blowing through our body, like
blowing through our bodies, and the trees

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started to shake, and there was
branches starting to snap, and I remember

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seeing two trees that were probably thirty
five or forty feet tall next to each

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other, just shaken violently back and
forth. I'm like, gosh, what

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the heck can be doing that?
And then they went from back and forth

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to front back, completely different directions
at the same time, like something was

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grabbing them with their hands and just
shaking them back and forth. So we're

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terrified and we don't know what to
do. I think I'm crying at this

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point, and just the cheer just
poof overwhelmed, so screw it. We

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got to get out of here.
So we both agree we're going to shoot

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over this, over the trees and
then bolt underneath it. Hopefully it is

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the sound of our guns will scare
it off. So yeah, we fire

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over the tree tops and we wait
a second to see if you can hear

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whatever's in there take off. It
didn't. It's just what we thought was

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pretty much max. It just elevated
even worse, and it was screaming and

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making those crazy slums, and so
we heck with it. We got to

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go. So we bolted and a
few hiked on logging roads. You know

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that the rocks, it's not small
little gravel, their big rocks, and

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it's hard to keep their balance.
And so I'm thinking the whole time is

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I'm going to wipe out and this
thing's going to jump down and grab me

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because we're I'm running as fast as
I've ever had before. My heels were

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hit, my butt and I got
a shotgun and hiking boots on, and

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I'm we're hauling down this road and
as I'm running underneath, as we are,

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as we're running underneath where this thing
is, I'm just thinking this thing

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grab me. I'm dead, We're
going to die. But for some reason,

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it never did. But the hair
on my neck, I could just

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feel it above me. I never
saw it, but I could just tell

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that there was and it was huffing
and at disappointed had stopped for all the

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ruckets and was just up there huffing
and breathing really loudly. And I could

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just feel because I ran pass ran
underneath to sing steel it above me,

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and I just thought I was going
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it never did. And so I
booked it to my grandma's house, which

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we had to cross the road and
down her driveway is probably one hundred yards

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long to who her house was,
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yard and she's out in the yard. She must have heard the shots,

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and so she's out there, what's
wrong, what's going on? I heard

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shots. She's a tough old lady, and like we told her what happened,

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and we're crying and we're freaked out. And she looked at us and

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says, you ran into a big
foot. And we looked at each other

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and like, what, for some
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That's what it was, and we're
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ran into a big foot? And
she says, well, there's a pizza

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joint that's down the road from on
the highway from her house that her and

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her friend would go to every Friday
night and have her glass of wine and

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eat pizza. And she was telling
me that they told us that when she

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would go, her and her friend
Ellen would go and have pizza and drink

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wine, the loggers would. It
was the loggers hang out back in the

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eighties. You know, the logging
industry was very different back then. There's

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smaller operations and families and things.
That was a lot different than it is

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now. But that's where all the
loggers would go and on Friday night hang

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out. She said that she'd overhear
the loggers talk about things like this happening

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to them in the forest. She
said, I would hear a story after

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story of these sort of things happening, and hear them from these loggers who

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are out there doing it logging and
in the forest every day. That's it,

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and I and so the next day. So it didn't really affect me

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the way I hear people talk about
getting terrified of going back in the woods.

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It was like it was erased from
my mind. So the next day

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I'm up there and my friend had
to leave, we had to go back

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to the Eugene, and so I
stayed and I said, Grandma, I'm

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going to go and back up to
where that happened and look around and see

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what I can see. Because I'm
still thinking. For whatever reason, I

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couldn't get it into my head that
it was a big fort or a sasquatch.

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I kept I'm going to go look
for hoofs tracks. So I'm going

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to go look for claw marks in
the tree because that's what I thought it

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was. For some reason, I
go up there. It's not very far

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away. It's probably less than a
quarter of a mile from her house up

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this road, the logging road.
So I go into this thicket where this

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had happened, and there's I'm I'm
not I knew nothing about bigfoot tracks or

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what to look for that regard.
I'm just looking for hoof prints. I'm

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looking for scrapes from antlers, and
I'm looking for claw marks, and there

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was none of that. But what
was weird is that when I got into

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the thicket, because it had snapped, a bunch of fur boughs, and

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there should have been broken boughs.
You could see where they'd been broken off

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the trees where they're thing it snapped
in fresh breaks, but there were zero.

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I couldn't find any fur boughs on
the ground. They were gone.

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Something picked them up and take them
away, And the ground was really beat

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down. It's a lot of fur
needles and things where I couldn't make out

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any tracks. I didn't see any
obviously cooked prints or claw marks in the

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tree. So that was it and
I just forgot about it after that.

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That is an incredible account, even
though there wasn't a visual. That is

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a wild encounter. Do you think
that pizza place is still there? I

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still go there. Yeah? Is
that is that Ike's pizza? It's Ikes

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pizza him? All right, we
can cut that out if you want.

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No, that's fine, Yeah,
Ike's Pizza for sure. Yeah, I

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just I have a Google Maps up. The interesting thing I noticed is while

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you were telling that story, you
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How. Yeah. The weird thing
is that the thing you were,

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the thing you were describing, that's
actually an infrasound thing. Oh it is

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if you look it up. Like
when they used as bellows that's an infrasound.

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Oh, no, way crazy.
I didn't know. So you got

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that hit me? Yeah, yeah, that's weird because I've heard someone mention

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it on a that that's what it
sounded like to them, and I so

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I went and listened to it and
say, whoa, that's exactly what it

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sounded like. And it just I
don't know what in for sound does,

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but man, I was frozen.
We couldn't move. It was like I

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walk into the invisible force field exactly
and pray. It was so weird.

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I didn't feel sick, I never
gotten ophis or anything. I just couldn't

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move, and I was so scared
that I was crying, and for no

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reason, because I don't think.
I think that the wave when we froze

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halfened before I even heard anything.
I think I was frozen in place before

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I even started hearing that alligator type
sound. That's wild. That element is

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enough for me to hearing. That's
enough that you definitely experienced some crazy stuff

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in the woods that day. No
question, it was bizarre. Yeah,

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it was weird. So the end
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I'd completely forgotten about this event I
was getting ready to graduate high school that

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next year, and I after I
graduated high school, I'd moved to Idaho

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and became a ski bum for about
a decade and spent all that time just

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in the mountain Idaho, exploring skiing, fishing, all types of all times

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of year, all seasons, and
never even thought about sasquatch or bigfoot getting

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crossed my mind and my ski bumb
career and the years about. It's about

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two thousand and two and I'm going
to school in Boise at Boise State University

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do get my teaching certificate. And
Boise is a really cool city. There's

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the river runs right through town,
and on the south side of the river

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there's the college, and on the
north side of the river there are all

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these really pretty parks and concert little
concert shells and things. And there's an

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old zoo, like an old one
of the old school, small town depressing

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looking zoos. And so I would
have to footbridge to get to the colleges

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right next to the zoo. So
i think I'm a junior or something at

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this point, and I'm cruising on
my bike and it's early in the morning,

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and I'm riding past the zoo and
I hear these wops coming from the

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zoo. I'm thirty one years old
and this happened. This event happened to

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me back when I was seventeen years
old, and I just instantly froze on

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my bike and stopped and was just
catapulted back to that discipline that I just

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told you about. Like instantly,
I could see the color of the rocks,

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I could see the shit shadows,
every tiny detail just came floating back

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into me. When I heard these
whoops coming from the zoo, it was

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really weird, and I had to
go to class and the zoo hadn't opened

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yet, so I was like,
I'm going once the zoo opens, I'm

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going over there and ask the szookeeper
what the heck makes those noises. So

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I gave I go, hey,
I don't I'm not I don't want to

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go through the zoo. I just
want to know that I want to go

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to your primate area and will you
show me. I've heard these really loud

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hoops this morning. Here, get
what makes those noises? And he took

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me to the given cage and he
goes, those are those are givens,

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and that's what you heard in the
morning and they were making a little bit

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of whooping sounds, but it was
identical, a little higher pitch and obviously

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lunthapathy, but it was the exact
same sound that I'd heard in the forest.

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It was bizarre. It froze me
on my bike, like I stopped.

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I was oblivious to whatever was going
on around me. I was just

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transported back to that gay in the
forest. And up to that point,

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like I said, I hadn't never
even crossed my mind until Mike heard those

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Givens coming from the zoo. I'm
so glad that you said the little higher

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pitch because I personally have heard similar
things and I was just thinking in my

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mind. I was like, it
is very much the same, but it's

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a little lower. And when you
said little higher pitch, I was like,

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yep, absolutely, one hundred percent, but the same kind of sound,

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just yeah, just a little higher
pitch. But it was weird that

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would just that sound catapulted me back
in times and every single Gekaill just became

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so vivid. It was bizarre.
I had a terrible memory. I can't

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remember anything. I don't know what
I had for dinner last night, but

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how in the heck that could happen
and everything be so clear. It was

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just it was really strange, that's
wild. I have a few questions before

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we leave this part. Did you
ever ask your grandma if she had any

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bigfoot experiences when you were out there
with you know, I don't. I

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don't remember, but she never would
have told me anyway. She was pretty

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sure she wouldn't because she wouldn't want
to scare them from going back in the

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forest. Gotcha, it didn't slow
me out of bed. I just kept

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going back out. Yeah, so
I didn't ask. I share with the

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Patriot members a little bit about upcoming
episodes, and they're really interested to read

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about what you had sent over.
And some of them had some bombers like,

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Hey, if you guys have questions
for this INTERVIEWEE put them in the

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comments. So there's a few that
are actually related to this part, I

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believe. Slaya asked, have these
events have they affected your ability to be

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in the mountains in the woods at
all? Or did it not affect you

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in a way where you're like,
I'm never going in the woods again.

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It didn't, like I said,
I forgot about it for some reason.

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It never brother it never slowed me
down again, Like I moved to Idaho

405
00:30:14.759 --> 00:30:18.400
and was I spent? I was
out in the woods all the time.

406
00:30:18.160 --> 00:30:22.640
No, it never died, gotcha. Never had a negative effect. And

407
00:30:22.680 --> 00:30:26.359
even now I live back in Oregon, We're out all the time. I'm

408
00:30:26.400 --> 00:30:32.960
aware and I'm very conscious of that, and I treat the forest a little

409
00:30:32.960 --> 00:30:37.000
differently, I think in terms of
how I approach it in a lot.

410
00:30:37.160 --> 00:30:44.039
I have a lot more gratitude.
I absolutely Scott had some questions. They're

411
00:30:44.079 --> 00:30:48.160
interesting. So you alluded to how
if you grow up in the Pacific Northwest

412
00:30:48.359 --> 00:30:52.640
you know about Bigfoot? Right,
So his question is living in the Pacific

413
00:30:52.720 --> 00:30:56.759
Northwest, Bigfoot seems to be part
of the culture. Were you a believer

414
00:30:56.079 --> 00:31:02.920
before your experiences and you had some
really young age experiences. Yeah, But

415
00:31:03.000 --> 00:31:06.480
I'd never equated that the big Foot
until I heard someone talk about it on

416
00:31:06.519 --> 00:31:08.240
the podcast, and then I was
like, well, kind of like the

417
00:31:08.480 --> 00:31:12.440
bike seing at the zoo. It
just triggered this event because if someone mentioned

418
00:31:12.440 --> 00:31:15.680
it on their shirt on I was
like, oh wow, that kind of

419
00:31:15.680 --> 00:31:18.920
happened to me. Yeah, I
kind of hunt it was really I'd seen

420
00:31:18.960 --> 00:31:23.759
the Roger Patterson film and I think
at that point though, when I was

421
00:31:23.799 --> 00:31:26.519
a kid, I felt like they
just there was one of them, and

422
00:31:26.559 --> 00:31:30.000
that's where they lived down in California, and we joked. We did a

423
00:31:30.039 --> 00:31:33.799
lot of camping, and we were
always joking about it that I don't think

424
00:31:33.799 --> 00:31:37.160
anybody took it serious. For some
at least that the people I knew,

425
00:31:37.200 --> 00:31:41.839
and then the circle of friends I
hung out with up until obviously that point

426
00:31:41.960 --> 00:31:47.039
can but you hear about it that
it just was never I don't know if

427
00:31:47.039 --> 00:31:48.759
we wanted it to be true because
it would keep us from going out.

428
00:31:48.960 --> 00:31:53.119
Maybe we just tuned it out.
We camped in places where I hear about

429
00:31:53.160 --> 00:31:59.240
accounts, the Coast range outs all
over the place, and aside from these

430
00:31:59.279 --> 00:32:01.240
few events that had happened to me
for the amount of time I spent out

431
00:32:01.240 --> 00:32:06.000
there, these are very few.
There was also an interesting part where you

432
00:32:06.000 --> 00:32:09.720
were sharing about the lights coming down
into the trees and you saw those large

433
00:32:09.799 --> 00:32:14.519
lights so the rights, Yeah,
that was really weird. There were three

434
00:32:14.559 --> 00:32:17.599
of them, and there was one
that came down to our I guess that

435
00:32:17.599 --> 00:32:22.079
would be to the east, but
it was maybe at the edge of our

436
00:32:22.119 --> 00:32:23.920
property, or maybe just passed the
edge of our property. We had about

437
00:32:23.920 --> 00:32:28.960
thirteen meters and it just into the
forest. And then there was one that

438
00:32:29.000 --> 00:32:34.559
there's a creek that runs through our
property and it comes down the mountain across

439
00:32:34.640 --> 00:32:37.359
the road, and one of the
lights went down and on the left side,

440
00:32:37.440 --> 00:32:40.599
to the east side of that drainage, and the other one came down

441
00:32:42.039 --> 00:32:46.039
basically right on top before this encounter
happened. Oh really the next day,

442
00:32:46.160 --> 00:32:51.079
Yeah, so this the third light
was the light came down in the basically

443
00:32:51.160 --> 00:32:54.200
that because it was I'd Google Earth
the distance and it was five hundred and

444
00:32:54.240 --> 00:32:59.680
twenty yards away as the prostbars,
and it was basically just right on top

445
00:32:59.720 --> 00:33:04.799
of four had happened. And I
never crossed my mind until I never connected

446
00:33:04.799 --> 00:33:12.920
the two until I started hearing accounts
with lights and and sasquatch being related.

447
00:33:12.920 --> 00:33:15.559
And I don't know whether they or
not this but I never saw those lights,

448
00:33:15.880 --> 00:33:21.160
and I never really had an account
like that until are they connected?

449
00:33:21.240 --> 00:33:24.720
I don't know. That's pretty close
to what is I think he was getting

450
00:33:24.720 --> 00:33:29.480
at. Scott was getting at with
this question perhaps relations to lights, was

451
00:33:29.599 --> 00:33:35.160
seeing that he may believe that there
are big paranormal ties or just a coincidence,

452
00:33:35.359 --> 00:33:37.759
or just a lot of questions.
Yeah, I don't know. I

453
00:33:37.799 --> 00:33:44.000
don't like the word paranormal. I
just think it's nature that we don't know

454
00:33:44.039 --> 00:33:46.720
about love it. Yeah, I
think it's beyond I think it just has

455
00:33:46.759 --> 00:33:50.039
been happening. And I don't know
if he's two or connected, but it

456
00:33:50.079 --> 00:33:55.319
just seemed weird that the light literally
went into the forest where this occurred.

457
00:33:57.440 --> 00:34:01.519
And again I never made that connection
until when I started listening to podcasts.

458
00:34:01.599 --> 00:34:05.599
Even that deal happened and I'm like, oh, the light came down and

459
00:34:05.640 --> 00:34:07.639
now there's something in there. It
was the start of the sting from my

460
00:34:07.679 --> 00:34:12.159
mind, which is bizarre now that
I keep back, and what are the

461
00:34:12.280 --> 00:34:15.159
chances that you have this light coming
down almost in the same area where you

462
00:34:15.159 --> 00:34:20.199
have this encounter, And it's like
that, man, it's got to be

463
00:34:20.239 --> 00:34:23.960
connected somehow. But yeah, we
just don't acknowledge and that now having heard

464
00:34:24.039 --> 00:34:30.000
enough people being interviewed who have had
similar things happen, people are so afraid.

465
00:34:30.039 --> 00:34:35.719
They're just say, you could I
think it's probably connected. How could

466
00:34:35.719 --> 00:34:37.920
it not be because I've never seen
lights before that, and I never had

467
00:34:37.960 --> 00:34:43.400
an encounter quite in that spot,
which is too much for coincidence. Any

468
00:34:43.519 --> 00:34:46.679
UFO activity ever in this area,
not in that area. Huh. That's

469
00:34:46.719 --> 00:34:51.800
pretty fantastic. Feel free to continue. I know. I think we have

470
00:34:52.039 --> 00:34:54.760
a few other things to discuss as
well. I've got yeah, I've got

471
00:34:55.039 --> 00:35:00.599
a couple more on These are not
related to this robbery on the Mackenzie either.

472
00:35:00.719 --> 00:35:05.800
More along in the Wilamitte Pass area, which is from Eugene at south,

473
00:35:05.880 --> 00:35:08.280
so you go through oak Ridge and
you'll end up at Crater Lake and

474
00:35:08.840 --> 00:35:12.920
if you keep going south, you'll
end up in Klamath Falls. But when

475
00:35:12.960 --> 00:35:16.119
I wasn't at up at the Mackenzie
at my grandma's place, I was out.

476
00:35:16.639 --> 00:35:21.159
My dad loved to fly fish and
he got me into fly fishing when

477
00:35:21.199 --> 00:35:24.960
I was really young, and we
would He had a spot up right in

478
00:35:25.000 --> 00:35:29.000
the town of oak Ridge where there's
an old I don't know what's there now,

479
00:35:29.039 --> 00:35:31.679
but there was a rock corry in
town and the river, the Wilamotte

480
00:35:31.719 --> 00:35:37.039
River, flowed through at the bottom
of town and we would fish this rock

481
00:35:37.119 --> 00:35:45.079
corry and it was really excellent trout
fishing. And I was with my dad,

482
00:35:45.159 --> 00:35:50.199
I was probably twelve or thirteen years
old, and we were up fishing

483
00:35:50.239 --> 00:35:55.239
the rock corry and we'd caught some
fish, and there was a little isolated

484
00:35:55.639 --> 00:36:00.239
pool of water up against the hillside
that the fish couldn't get out of.

485
00:36:00.320 --> 00:36:04.880
So I didn't keep fish or we
didn't eat them. We'd let them go,

486
00:36:05.039 --> 00:36:07.199
we'd catch them release them, but
I would. I was young,

487
00:36:07.239 --> 00:36:13.480
and so I put them in this
little pool of water and just watched them

488
00:36:13.559 --> 00:36:16.199
swim around. I was gonna let
them go eventually, and my dad,

489
00:36:16.360 --> 00:36:21.320
hey, let's go up and around
the corner and fish this riffle. And

490
00:36:21.559 --> 00:36:24.039
I'm like, all right, So
we leave the fish. There's probably four

491
00:36:24.079 --> 00:36:30.360
or five fish a rainbow trout in
this pool that's probably the size of a

492
00:36:30.320 --> 00:36:35.440
little plastic kiddy pool. But it's
there's no way in or out. There's

493
00:36:35.480 --> 00:36:37.880
no way for the fish to get
out. And if it was in the

494
00:36:37.920 --> 00:36:40.599
shade I put it. I made
sure they were in the shade. The

495
00:36:40.800 --> 00:36:46.199
forest came down and so the fish
had some shade, and I was gonna

496
00:36:46.239 --> 00:36:51.039
let them go when we got back. So we go with fish and we

497
00:36:51.199 --> 00:36:55.639
come back and the fish are just
completely gone. There's no sign that a

498
00:36:55.639 --> 00:37:00.960
bird had come and plucked them or
anything. There was just really strange.

499
00:37:00.400 --> 00:37:05.639
One minute, the little pools full
of fish and the next minute they're gone.

500
00:37:06.039 --> 00:37:07.199
I don't know if that has anything
to do with Bigfoot. That it

501
00:37:07.239 --> 00:37:14.280
was really weird and it was up
against the hillside and it was just an

502
00:37:14.320 --> 00:37:16.719
odd to come back. And we
both looked at the where'd they go?

503
00:37:17.400 --> 00:37:21.320
There were no ravens around, there
were no I don't know what could have

504
00:37:21.400 --> 00:37:27.679
came in took that many fish.
So that's an interesting side note. And

505
00:37:27.719 --> 00:37:32.840
then I have one more And this
happened at Murray Lake in nineteen eighty seven.

506
00:37:34.519 --> 00:37:37.360
I was a senior in high school
and we were there were five of

507
00:37:37.440 --> 00:37:39.880
us and we were going to go
Three of us were going to hike.

508
00:37:40.000 --> 00:37:44.400
We're going to camp at Murray Lake. And three of us were going to

509
00:37:44.920 --> 00:37:49.760
hike the south side of Diamond Peak
and ski the snowfields up there and come

510
00:37:49.760 --> 00:37:52.280
back and camp, and the other
two guys were going to hang out at

511
00:37:52.280 --> 00:37:55.960
the camp and fish. We leave
the trailhead and we're hiking to the lake

512
00:37:57.119 --> 00:38:00.119
and we get a mile and a
half two mile into the hike and we

513
00:38:00.199 --> 00:38:05.679
come to a lily. So this
is all pine trees and it's high desert

514
00:38:05.760 --> 00:38:09.960
y mountains. It's not rush like
it is on the on the McKenzie where

515
00:38:09.960 --> 00:38:15.239
there's ferns and big fir trees and
sculpts are a bit different ecosystem. So

516
00:38:15.280 --> 00:38:19.920
we're hiking through these dry pine this
little dry pine forest, and we dip

517
00:38:20.000 --> 00:38:23.519
down into this space and that's maybe
four or five, three or four acres.

518
00:38:24.199 --> 00:38:30.480
Then it's just but it's and it
it turns into a totally different clay

519
00:38:30.679 --> 00:38:35.639
ecosystem. It's there's ferns, there's
cedar trees. It's just there. It's

520
00:38:35.679 --> 00:38:42.239
really beautiful. There's a little bog
like a fresh water bog tipe spring coming

521
00:38:42.239 --> 00:38:46.199
out of the ground. It's beautiful. And as we're there's five of us

522
00:38:46.239 --> 00:38:50.880
and we're walking in and we're all
thinking the same thing, Oh wow,

523
00:38:51.480 --> 00:38:55.039
we're going to explore this is real
pretty. And the minute we all got

524
00:38:55.079 --> 00:38:59.719
to this the crown of this little
the trail where we were going to drop

525
00:38:59.719 --> 00:39:05.280
down in to the this area,
this smell just wopped it in on us,

526
00:39:05.440 --> 00:39:09.360
like I don't know, like really
need the dead, like skunt cabbage

527
00:39:09.440 --> 00:39:15.400
times ten with I don't know how
to explain. This awful smell came out

528
00:39:15.400 --> 00:39:20.440
of nowhere, and we instantly all
decided we're just gonna let's just keep going

529
00:39:20.480 --> 00:39:25.039
and keep walking to not for us
not to explore something that cool at that

530
00:39:25.119 --> 00:39:29.440
age, you know, as a
kid, it was bizarre that we all

531
00:39:29.760 --> 00:39:34.440
chose to keep going. And then
the smell just instantly vanished as we left

532
00:39:34.480 --> 00:39:39.440
that spot. So we get to
this lake and where we say, nothing

533
00:39:39.480 --> 00:39:44.440
happens, there's we just camp.
Everything's normal. So next morning, two

534
00:39:44.480 --> 00:39:47.800
of my buddies and I hike Diamond
Peak and we can go and we're skiing

535
00:39:47.840 --> 00:39:52.639
and we make it back to camp
and there's a note they tacked up and

536
00:39:52.719 --> 00:39:57.840
left. The other two guys split
they were gonna fish while we speed,

537
00:39:58.639 --> 00:40:01.000
and we got at the camp and
they'd left, and there was a note

538
00:40:01.039 --> 00:40:06.760
saying mosquitoes were too thick. So
we left. So you're back in town.

539
00:40:07.639 --> 00:40:09.400
But the mosquitoes weren't that bad.
It was weird. It's not like

540
00:40:09.440 --> 00:40:14.320
them to peel out of here,
especially during the day when there's the bugs

541
00:40:14.400 --> 00:40:19.000
are not real buggy during the day. So we like whatever, So we

542
00:40:19.119 --> 00:40:23.239
camp and nothing really, nothing happens, and we get back to town the

543
00:40:23.280 --> 00:40:27.920
next day and when we've run into
our buddies, they're like, hey,

544
00:40:28.239 --> 00:40:31.639
it wasn't that buggy. Why did
you guys leave? And it took him

545
00:40:31.679 --> 00:40:35.800
a second, and they looked at
each other funny and said, the truth

546
00:40:35.920 --> 00:40:40.000
is, when we were fishing,
we kept hearing noises coming out of the

547
00:40:40.039 --> 00:40:45.360
forest. We kept hearing sticks breaking, and we kept hearing strange, grunting

548
00:40:45.400 --> 00:40:51.440
noises. And we played it off
as a bear at first and thought nothing

549
00:40:51.480 --> 00:40:53.280
of it. Thought we'll just go
around the other side of the lake and

550
00:40:53.320 --> 00:40:57.960
fish. But they said it followed
him around the lake. They could hear

551
00:40:58.000 --> 00:41:01.039
it chasing him in the forest and
was making these weird noises at them.

552
00:41:01.079 --> 00:41:05.639
And that's all I got from them, they said. So we got back

553
00:41:05.679 --> 00:41:08.480
to camp and just felt really uneasy
and decided we'd told you that it was

554
00:41:08.519 --> 00:41:10.639
too buggy, and we split.
We got out of there and we were

555
00:41:10.639 --> 00:41:16.920
scared. And that's that's that story. What year was that around? That

556
00:41:17.039 --> 00:41:21.719
was night? That was nineteen Here
I wrote it down the Diamond Peak nineteen

557
00:41:21.760 --> 00:41:29.159
eighty seven. Okay. Interesting,
There is a report on the BFRO from

558
00:41:29.480 --> 00:41:35.199
Diamond Peak Wilderness area where three hunters
were out there. They hear a very

559
00:41:35.239 --> 00:41:42.320
loud scream thirty to forty five seconds. There are reported things from that area,

560
00:41:42.440 --> 00:41:45.119
at least one report that's public,
but that whole area. From what

561
00:41:45.159 --> 00:41:51.679
it sounds like is there's activity all
over the place. Yeah, it's it

562
00:41:52.360 --> 00:41:57.800
is very the Probably what's happened in
the last handful of years is forest fires

563
00:41:57.840 --> 00:42:01.760
that ravaged some of these places where
I'm telling you about this place on the

564
00:42:01.880 --> 00:42:08.039
McKenzie. Maybe in twenty twenty,
just got that whole valley got wiped out

565
00:42:08.119 --> 00:42:14.559
by forest fire. The hillside that
all these things happened to me on it's

566
00:42:14.599 --> 00:42:19.440
gone now it's burnt. Oh wow, it's depressing. It's really sad.

567
00:42:20.280 --> 00:42:22.000
So yeah, I don't know.
It's coming back a little bit. There's

568
00:42:22.039 --> 00:42:24.960
some greenery growing, but the big
fur I don't know how long it's going

569
00:42:25.000 --> 00:42:30.400
to be until the fir trees come
back. There's some maples growing and things

570
00:42:30.440 --> 00:42:34.119
like that, but in some ferns, but it got cooked pretty good.

571
00:42:34.760 --> 00:42:37.320
I think that's about all I got. Oh there's a couple other things if

572
00:42:37.360 --> 00:42:43.800
you want to hear about. This
happened in twenty seventeen or twenty eighteen.

573
00:42:43.840 --> 00:42:45.559
I think somewhere in there. Like
I said, I lived in Idaho.

574
00:42:45.760 --> 00:42:53.719
I moved to Idaho in nineteen eighty
nine and came back in twenty twelve,

575
00:42:54.400 --> 00:43:00.599
and we moved back to the Central
Oregon, but we still have the property

576
00:43:00.639 --> 00:43:02.840
on the Mackenzie and I still have
it today. I spend a lot of

577
00:43:02.840 --> 00:43:08.679
time over there. But so in
twenty seventeen or eighteen, it was Thanksgiving

578
00:43:08.679 --> 00:43:15.559
around Thanksgiving and I was out and
this happened a couple of nights in a

579
00:43:15.639 --> 00:43:17.360
row. It was really bizarre.
I'm out in the yard. It gets

580
00:43:17.440 --> 00:43:22.559
dark real early, so maybe five
or six in the evening, but it's

581
00:43:22.760 --> 00:43:25.440
pretty it's dark, and it's pouring
down rain. It rained the lot over

582
00:43:25.480 --> 00:43:30.760
there, and I don't know what
I'm outside doing, using them, going

583
00:43:30.760 --> 00:43:35.519
to the bathroom or something. And
I hear what sounds like up and it's

584
00:43:36.000 --> 00:43:38.519
like I had said, there's a
creek that runs through our property and it

585
00:43:38.599 --> 00:43:45.320
drains out on this hillside across the
road. And I heard what sounded like

586
00:43:45.360 --> 00:43:52.199
the truck breaks screeching down like like
it sound like they're wet and screeching down

587
00:43:52.280 --> 00:43:57.880
a road, just this weird,
metallic, grindy sound coming from where there

588
00:43:57.920 --> 00:44:00.760
was no roads at all. It
was just a ravine with a creak in

589
00:44:00.760 --> 00:44:05.159
it, and it was really loud
and freaky. It was just like what

590
00:44:05.239 --> 00:44:09.679
the heck, But it sounded just
like metal on metal breaks. And I

591
00:44:09.719 --> 00:44:14.679
heard it maybe two or three nights
in a row. And then on that

592
00:44:14.800 --> 00:44:19.800
same time frame, maybe a day
or two later, my neighbor comes over

593
00:44:20.519 --> 00:44:23.119
and he's maybe a couple one hundred
yards down the river from me, and

594
00:44:23.119 --> 00:44:28.360
he's like, Man, I was
in my house and I started hearing these

595
00:44:28.440 --> 00:44:34.280
owls coming from your property, like
huge owls, giant owls coming from your

596
00:44:34.320 --> 00:44:38.360
property. So I went outside and
I was listening, and I could hear

597
00:44:38.400 --> 00:44:43.320
them. They sounded like owls,
but it was like they're huge and the

598
00:44:43.400 --> 00:44:46.239
way too, but they sounded like
owls, but they didn't sound like owls

599
00:44:46.280 --> 00:44:50.599
because then they were huge. And
I kept so I started walking towards your

600
00:44:50.599 --> 00:44:55.280
property and that sound kept going on, but it kept moving away. So

601
00:44:55.480 --> 00:45:00.440
the closer I'd get, the further
it would they would move off. It

602
00:45:00.519 --> 00:45:04.599
sounded like they were in the forest
on the east side of your house,

603
00:45:04.920 --> 00:45:07.639
and they just it just vanished.
The noise stopped, which I again,

604
00:45:08.360 --> 00:45:13.480
at that time Bigfoot. I had
not ever heard a big Foot podcast,

605
00:45:13.559 --> 00:45:16.960
and I just thought that was weird. Same with the breakscreaching thing. Now,

606
00:45:17.840 --> 00:45:22.679
knowing what I know because of being
listened to these podcasts, it's like,

607
00:45:22.199 --> 00:45:25.599
huh, you hear about al and
you hear about these weird sounds.

608
00:45:25.760 --> 00:45:30.800
I thought I'd add that to some
of the things that I've experienced. That's

609
00:45:30.000 --> 00:45:34.880
probably as some of the weirdest things. And this is back in twenty seventeen.

610
00:45:34.920 --> 00:45:37.559
You said, Yeah, seventeen or
eighteen, I can't remember. In

611
00:45:37.639 --> 00:45:43.719
November, so you still own that
property. Oh yeah, we're I'm there

612
00:45:43.719 --> 00:45:45.719
all the time. Oh okay,
And I'm a school teacher, so I

613
00:45:45.719 --> 00:45:52.400
get to spend my whole summer over
there. Nice anything weird sound like that?

614
00:45:52.320 --> 00:45:57.599
Sound wise happened lately or just the
last time was back in seventeen or

615
00:45:57.639 --> 00:46:00.480
eighteen, that was it. Yeah, And then, like I said in

616
00:46:00.519 --> 00:46:04.400
twenty twenty that the fires put through
there, and yeah, took everything out.

617
00:46:04.800 --> 00:46:07.639
But I did set up a game
cam before and I wouldn't get anything.

618
00:46:07.679 --> 00:46:12.280
I got tugars and bears and deer
and turkeys. That was it.

619
00:46:12.800 --> 00:46:16.679
But yeah, it was It sounded
like breaks screeching down coming down the creek

620
00:46:16.679 --> 00:46:21.920
pad basically when there was no road. It was bizarre. And then I

621
00:46:21.920 --> 00:46:23.480
had never heard the owls, but
my neighbors said it freaked them out.

622
00:46:23.480 --> 00:46:29.239
He said, you could hear him
over his TV one hundred yards down river

623
00:46:29.280 --> 00:46:32.400
from me, so he's an older
city guy, so he didn't know what

624
00:46:32.440 --> 00:46:37.559
to make of it. I definitely
feel like there's some sort of memicry that's

625
00:46:37.639 --> 00:46:43.440
involved. You hear things like what
you mentioned. You also hear things like

626
00:46:44.440 --> 00:46:51.679
car doors slamming where there's no cars
or rusty gates is one. It's just

627
00:46:52.119 --> 00:46:55.239
it's very strange. Yeah, the
rusty metal, that's what it sounded like,

628
00:46:55.360 --> 00:46:59.280
rusty metal, and it's bizarre,
and it was it was loud.

629
00:46:59.320 --> 00:47:01.639
It was just right across the road
for me up on the Veld, and

630
00:47:01.679 --> 00:47:05.199
then there are a couple of logging
roads up there, but this is nowhere

631
00:47:05.239 --> 00:47:08.199
near one of the roads. It
was just coming out of the forest.

632
00:47:08.760 --> 00:47:15.599
Which knows. You've definitely had some
really interesting things happen over your life so

633
00:47:15.679 --> 00:47:21.679
far, and thank you so much
for sharing with myself and the listeners.

634
00:47:21.880 --> 00:47:27.119
And it's amazing you still have that
property area up there. Yeah, aything

635
00:47:27.199 --> 00:47:31.079
else happens. Definitely feel free to
reach out. I will indeed. Yeah,

636
00:47:31.159 --> 00:47:36.440
thank you for having me on the
show. I appreciate your time and

637
00:47:37.039 --> 00:47:39.559
I'd love listening to your podcast.
Do you think you might make it down

638
00:47:39.599 --> 00:47:44.519
to Oakridge this summer coming up.
I'll have to look at my schedule.

639
00:47:44.599 --> 00:47:46.719
Yeah, i'd like to. I've
never been to one of these before.

640
00:47:46.800 --> 00:47:52.119
And my twelve year old son is
heavy into the whole Sasquatch things, so

641
00:47:52.199 --> 00:47:57.159
I might bring him over and check
it out, maybe camp or something.

642
00:47:57.440 --> 00:48:00.280
It's going to be a hop and
time. If he's in the big there's

643
00:48:00.320 --> 00:48:04.440
gonna be people there that it's the
time that they're in Oregon. They probably

644
00:48:04.440 --> 00:48:08.039
won't be there again. But man, I know we make it over to

645
00:48:08.239 --> 00:48:13.719
Cliff's Museum once a year, little
pilgrimage. So we'll go and we'll go

646
00:48:13.800 --> 00:48:17.719
and get a little place in the
forest and go squatching and go conk Cliff

647
00:48:17.760 --> 00:48:22.360
a little bit. So that's pretty
fun. How cool is that? Man?

648
00:48:22.079 --> 00:48:27.760
Yeah? Those flips I heard.
And he's got that giant Fasquatching is

649
00:48:28.159 --> 00:48:30.960
museum yep, and he's got to
cook up some sound hooked up to and

650
00:48:30.960 --> 00:48:35.880
that's what those whips sound exactly like
what he's got going on in Mercy and

651
00:48:36.000 --> 00:48:38.280
Sasquatch love it. Yeah, to
get over there myself one day, for

652
00:48:38.360 --> 00:48:42.800
sure, But it's cool. Yeah, he keeps adding to it, so

653
00:48:43.000 --> 00:48:46.639
we keep going back absolutely. Brad, thank you so much for hanging out

654
00:48:46.639 --> 00:48:52.159
and I hope to maybe hear from
you again someday in the future. NB

655
00:48:52.519 --> 00:48:57.679
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664
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for listening. Her and I can
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687
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stories. Maybe there's somebody else out
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688
00:52:12.960 --> 00:52:15.800
story. Maybe this will give them
the courage to come out. And I

689
00:52:16.000 --> 00:52:20.719
feel so bad about it. Who
cares what anybody's thinks. I know what

690
00:52:20.800 --> 00:52:39.719
I saw, I know what's out
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691
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692
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693
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