Into the Boundary Waters: Bigfoot Experiences and Mysteries (Extra: Bigfoot Rendezvous Preview!)

0:00 Welcome to Big for Society. If you have Bigfoot activity to report from the same area as discussed in this episode, please reach out to me directly after this episode. And if you'd like to be on the podcast to discuss a personal Bigfoot encounter, please reach out to me directly at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com. Do you wish there was more Big for Society to listen to you every week? Well there is now. If you become a supporting member over at Patreon, you get a special members only episode every single week on Wednesdays, and sometimes even more episodes. Head on over to patreon dot com. Forward slash the Big for Society and now let's get on with the show, all right, Big for Society've got the privilege of talking to Sean Shawn's a gentleman that reached out to me through email to share some interesting things that happen back in September of twenty twenty one up in the Boundary Waters area of Minnesota. Thank you so much for contacting me, Sean, And it's going to be a pleasure to hear the full story tonight. But how's it going, man? It's going pretty good, awesome, and so are you?

1:03 Based out of northern Minnesota. Then no, I live in more like west central Minnesota. Gotcha, all right, been here my whole life. You know, I haven't had the privilege of getting up there in northern Minnesota, but I've heard a lot of wild stuff about it. So now I'm going to go ahead and give the floor right over to you, my friend, and let you kind of hear what happened to you those few three days. Yeah, and late September twenty one, I actually it was my first Bondywater's trip. Went with a friend and his dad and uncle, and we went in on the eastern side of the Bondywater, so we were in like the top corner of Minnesota. And really we got out there was a five day trip. We paddled in, got to our first campsite, and you know, we I've always kind of had an interest and listened to different podcasts and everything in Bigfoot, but I wasn't, you know, looking for anything.

1:57 But the first full day we were there, when we went inland because we were staying on an island in a giant lake, we went into a bay and which was super cool because we could hear a bull moose move around and like bellowing. It was really cool. And then we get to our first portage and we get a basically out of the canoes and everything's ready to go, and we go to start packing everything out, and my buddy and I were we were leaving second because we were carrying the packs and the other guys left with the canoes, and we heard four pretty distinct wood knocks, and like he and I both joking, you know, you know, we both have interests in the subject, but we both kind of joked, oh, we're gonna see big Foot on this trip. And then all of a sudden, like we just snapped and looked at each other. But yeah, so we kind of went through that portage. It was like a they measure everything by rods, which I believe is sixteen feet. It was like rod portage.

2:53 We get to the end there, we get in the canoes, load everything up, and as soon as we push off, I hear it again, just whack, whack, whack, you know, four. It was. It was too much of a coincidence, and we ended up portaging. You know, we end up getting out of the canoes three times because we had to do you know, three portages into fishless lake and three porters back out, so it end up being six full portages, and we heard it five of the six times. It was when once we were on the ground carrying stuff, we would hear it, and once we were back in the water pushing off, we would hear it again. It was just super super weird and it was very I never had a moment where I felt uncomfortable or just not safe, but it was definitely. You start listening a little bit more, but that's all we ever heard. And then we got back to camp, and the next day we stayed on the island and just hiked around the island because it was too windy and rainy. And then the third day we paddled like four miles west of where we were staying and we portage up to this little tiny lake that had brook trout in it because we were gonna go fish for brook trout. We were there for about an hour and a half, didn't really hear anything, you know, I was kind of listening, but never heard anything. And then the guy that I was in the canoe with said he wanted to take a break, so we kind of paddled back to where we launched the canoes from pull it up on shore. He fell asleep pretty instantly, and I was just kind of laying there. Threw a bober out and we were kind of fishing, and I was just laying back on the grass and I hear this cracking and crashing up on the hillside.

4:27 And there was this to the north of us, a hillside with all this dead fall. It was a pretty big hillside, and the dead fall was all, you know, like probably two to four inch diameter branches. And I just hear this crashing, you know, something moving along that hillside, and I kind of look and into the scening. So I grabbed my phone to try and take some pictures of the hillside, and as I lean over to unset my pack, I look up again and I saw just the backside of something, whether it was you know, the back or a shoulder or something. It was just like a gray kind of black matted fur. It was something moving, but it was like a grayish black. And then it stopped because it got into some foliage. And then as I was fumbling around trying to get my phone out, it moved through and I didn't see it again. I just saw it that first, you know, go into the foliage, and then it continued on and then just got quiet. So I took some pictures of the hillside and you know, kind of zoomed in on where I saw it go and kind of where I was seeing it traverse through. And then that night in the tenth I was talking to my friend that I was up there with about it, and he goes and he was in the canoe on the other side of that lake, and he had heard the crashing as well the movement. He never saw anything, but he heard it move along down that whole side of the lake, and it was just I tried to compare, you know, what animals I know are up there and what would be moving on at hillside that steep making that much noise,

6:00 and I mean, and with the colorations that I saw, I don't know nothing really. I mean, a black bear very well could have been a black bear. I just was making a whole lot of noise, moving pretty fast, and it was just kind of a coincidence. And then that night, after we paddled all the way back, we were it was just my friend and I, his dad, his dad and uncle were hiking on the island. They were just looking around for mushrooms or stuff to forage, and we were kind of fishing off a boulder and he elbowed me and looked across, and I didn't see it, but he described something a dark figure or something about two or three hundred yards across the lake from the to the nearest point we were at, scramble up from the shore into the rocks and foliage.

6:50 He couldn't tell if it was on two feet or four feet, but it moved pretty quickly, and I just kind of weirded out a little bit. Nothing really any know, like we need to get out of here type feelings. And then we had another day, and then the next, and then the two mornings after we paddled out and went home. That was that was it for that encounter, just the the wood knocks and then something moving along the hillside and the dead fall. But it's it's it's such an interesting event of that of those days, just because I don't know, you're in such a remote area, right, Yeah. We we were forty five miles north of the nearest town, and then we were six miles in from the landing, which isn't super far. You can get a lot farther up in there. But I mean we were we saw like two other groups total that whole five days we were there. Definitely have a few questions for you.

7:49 So thinking back to how you saw something on the hill when you were looking up, was there any way to kind of get a feeling of how how tall what you saw was the ground tough? Is that hill was so steep? I just saw I just saw basically a hair moving like fur hair whatever, moving into the into the green. I mean it it looked big in comparison to the branches. I just don't know how tall it was, because that that hillside was fairly steep. I just all I didn't see like legs pumping into the I just saw movement. And you know, it was about one hundred probably fifty yards up, you know, you know, at an angle. So I just saw a movement in I couldn't tell how tall it was, but just it would look big in comparison to the trees that were around it. What kind of sounds were you hearing in the woods that day?

8:46 Really just some squirrels making noise. I mean, we met a couple of squirrels going up the up that path, but that was about it. There wasn't much for birds going on, you know, and actually once we got on the water, really really here much at all for creater noises, gotcha. Yeah, going up that trail, a couple of red squirrels crossed the path, but after that I don't remember hearing or seeing any other critters until we got back down to the water to paddle back to camp. You mentioned you heard the four knocks at multiple different times throughout the trip. Did you hear any other sounds that didn't really belong or that kind of were like, that's kind of weird to hear that here. I mean, no besides and the moose, the moose bellering and like that. That that big noise they make that definitely is natural, but it was just it. I don't know, I haven't been able to find a video that sounds exactly like that one. But it was off through the off to the trees. It was probably just started a little bit. But we didn't hear anything else. There was not anything I've encountered before besides the wood knox, gotcha. At any point, did you smell anything that was pretty strong or any weird smells besides myself? After five days? No? Right, Yeah, the water was too cold. No, really, no, we didn't notice any smells.

10:13 Gotcha. You had mentioned that someone else in the party had also seen like a dark figure scramble up from the lakeside. Was that remind me? Was that your dad or your uncle? So that was my buddy? Okay, So I was there with my friend and his dad and uncle, so they invited me. It was the three of them have always gone up there, so he and I were kind of off doing our own thing most of the trip when we weren't all canoeing. But yeah, it was. He saw it when we were fishing together as the across the lake to the nearest point. Was he an individual that would have had he would have been thinking about bigfoot as he's going into this or what was How was he thinking about it?

10:54 I mean it's he wouldn't be like everything's gonna be bigfoot, right. We both have an interest in the subject. And we talked about the woodknocks. I mean when we got back to camp, we kind of just the two of us talked about it a little bit because the other guys were kind of kind of poop pooted. They're like, we've been up here a million times and we've never heard or seen anything weird and say, okay, that's you know, but no they he and I talked about a little bit. I mean we both had the same ideas, like that's that's weird. The fact that it happened the second time it happened, that's like, that's a that's really interesting. And then it just kept happening, and I thought I had you know, I was listening. I listened to him. That's my daughter and I listened to Bigfoot podcasts when we're driving and she's she's six.

11:39 But I remember someone was saying that they've noticed that when they were traveling in groups, they would sometimes knock or try to knock to you know, as far as how many people they saw, not that they can count, but like, you know, right, so, I don't know, it's it just it was interesting that it was exactly four and there was four of us, and it was almost every time we portaged into that area. That's that's an interesting theory I haven't heard before. Actually, that's but that's kind of what I heard. That to think about squat chronicles, Okay, gotcha, something that might be interesting as context was probably a lot of listeners don't know, can you describe what it means to portage in the bony waters. You are truly you have to bring everything in. So what we were doing is we were just on a day trip. So we had our camp set up, we had fishing gear and rain gear. And what we would do is, you know, you're in the canoe, you get to the spot and they have trails marked. It's not not super heavy, but you'd get out of your canoe, you load all your stuff up, you carry your canoe across the track of land and you get back into a spot. So we topped the big lake, We paddled into a bay, landed the canoe, carried our canoes and our gear, you know, to another lake, paddled across that lake, carried the canoes and gear to another lake, and then fish that third lake or fish that other lake in. So you just you have to you have to bring everything across. So we had to make two train every time to carry all of our gear and then carry the canoes.

13:03 You're spending a lot of time not on the water when you're doing that. And would you be holding the canoe with your hand or would it be over I know there's some people they put it over their shoulders. Yeah, so the canoes we had had yolks in the center, so you kind of lifted up over. We were lucky enough to use the The one of the guys that was in the group owned a two person kevlar canoe, and then we rented one from where he works at So they weighed like seventy six pounds. They're incredibly light, so it's aluminum frame with kevlar lining, so when one guy can carry the canoe. So it was just to carry, you know, we had a pack with our food because we brought our food with you because you have to hang your food or have it in a bear safe container.

13:45 But we just decided to bring the food bag with us because we didn't know how long we're going to be gone, you know, so we brought you know, I ended up usually carrying the food bag because it was the heaviest bag, and then one guy carries the canoe and then someone to go back and get the fishing gear. But you had two different tu canoes. That's the fishing gear, a food bag, and then a day pack. That's wild. It's it's just one of those things. I don't think a lot of people know about that part of canoeing when you can find it with hiking. It's just it's fascinating. I mean it is to me because of how I grew up. But we went on a trip just actually last September, just last fall, and we went eighteen miles into a little lake to fish Lake Trout, and we had to bring everything. It was. It was a hard trip and it was you know, we had probably seven portages total, and twelve of those twelve miles of paddling and the rest of it was carrying everything, and it was exhausting. It was a long day.

14:43 Have you been back to that area since since that time into that area? No, this time we went in. We went in on the opposite side. We went in more by Elia, Minnesota, which is farther west of where we were. And did anything happen on that trip on the other side, No, nothing happened this time that I remember. I mean, besides, you know, it's when I was I took a hammock this time, so I have a tent hammock. But there's you know, critters all throughout the woods. But you'd hear stuff moving around outside you and sometimes you trick your mind tricks you think there's you're hearing something on two feet versus what it's probably just grouse or rabbit or something. But no, nothing out of the ordinary. This last trip. Okay, you have this trip in twenty one and some weird things happen. How did that affect your life when you got back out of the woods and your back out didn't change it at all change.

15:35 I want to go back there, my friend, and I want to go back there to that spot specifically, because when I did email you it is I was I had listened to one of the older episodes, and when I was looking on the map, is we weren't more than twenty miles as the crow flies roughly from where the experience that I listened to. When I'm like, you know what, I should just email because it was so close, you know. But we want to My buddy and I want to go back, just the two of us and just go in and just not do anything, just hang out and just see if we can notice anything or see anything or encounter anything. It's not it's not keeping me out of the woods by any means. Big for society. Who will be right back after these messages? Right? And that was ah, yeah, that was Leslie.

16:42 That's an old one. Yeah, Leslie's encounter in the Boundary of Waters. That's very interesting. Yeah, because I remember it. She was grouse hunting or something and was and was getting paisd out someone was walking alongside her. But yeah, no, I heard that, and I'm like, god, a look at the map, like, that's not far from where we were, you know, And then I started looking where she was at. I'm like, yeah, that's because we were on Brule Lake, which is north of Lutson. Okay, so it's not far. I am going, yeah, I think not enough. That's so old. A lot of people that probably don't remember that one, and I'm probably just gonna tag it onto the end of this, to be honest. And when you got back home, did you so we know that that one that was on my show happened about twenty miles away? Did you look up to see if there are any other incidents that occurred in that area? Not in that. I haven't read anything else in that area. I've looked at different It's so hard because I've looked up, like tried to look at like the BFRO and other sites, and I've looked at like I've just google searched or searched on like podcast histories like yours, and then I, you know, the other couple of other ones I listened to just try to find other ones. I haven't found a whole lot in that area, but like there's a Bonderwater's Facebook page, there's a lot of people that talk talk about they're encountering like hauntings, but then they're also like having things thrown in their camp. Well that would make sense.

18:07 But I had nothing too far and nothing too much in that area that I always have been able to find. But I haven't looked at it too much, and that's been a few years since I did look last. But I do, we do, my friend and I do want to try and plan another trip to go up there, purely just to try and invest, just to look for look for one or try and have another encounter. So we know that definitely the Boundary waters Is has got some Bigfoot action going on. Have you do you know? Have you heard of any other places in northern Minnesota that have had things happen Bigfoot related. I'm trying to think of north of like, but Midgie I've heard of. I've read a couple of reports that would be more central northern Minnesota. But it's I don't have I don't remember off the top of my head. One thing I didn't ask is, at any point during the trip in twenty one, when you're experiencing the wood Knox you saw something up the hill, things like that, did your emotional state change in any way or how you were feeling or how are you reacting to that? No? Not, no, nothing. Nothing really made me fearful or unnerved at all. It was just that was weird. That's a weird coincidence kind of feeling. It wasn't ever I never got I never felt like I shouldn't shouldn't be there, or like I something was wrong. Sometimes

19:37 people are really affected sometimes Now you never know how it's going to affect you for sure. But it's a very interesting area and I feel like there's probably going to be a few people that listen to this and it's going to stir a little bit of Ornate's So do you mind stating again that you said Brutal Lake, right, Brule Lake. It's a giant lake north of Lutson, Minnesota. Gotcha. So that's that's the area we're looking at, guys that let's say twenty mile radius around Brule Lake. So if we listeners, if you've experienced anything up there, please reach out or you can always leave stuff in the comments as well. We're going to listen to the other interview that was from a few years ago in a few minutes. But Sean, thank you for reaching out. I'm glad we were able to get this documented and out in the open and maybe dive into some other boundary waters encounters because of this, So thank you so much. Thank you. Thanks for having me on. It feels nice to actually talk about it, you know, with people other than just friends. All right, big for society. Today, I've got the privilege of talking to Leslie, who's an outdoors woman and bow hunter. Thanks for coming on the podcast today, Leslie. How's it going.

20:56 It's going well. Thanks for having me now, Leslie, You've had a ton of really interesting experiences and I love to get into those right aways, so let's get right into it. Okay, great, Well, thank you again. I'll share a little bit about myself and how I was raised, which i'll help the listeners kind of understand how I got to most recent encounters out in Montana. I was born and raised in the Midwest, in a suburb of a city outside of Saint Paul, Minnesota, and there's a trend in that area to go north for the weekends. People you know, do their work week and then they hop in their vehicles and they head north to lake country where there's woods and water. And I grew up in this way, and I hunted and fished with my dad growing up, and I've always had a love for the woods, and so that puts me out into the wild still today, where I go fishing and hunting and just pick foraging for wild berries and mushrooms and things. I just really enjoy the outdoors.

21:59 My first potential encounter, and I did not lay eyes on what this was. Curt. In two thousand, I was up in the Boundary Water Canoe area, which is in the northern part of the state of Minnesota, and it's the boundary of Minnesota and Canada, and I was on a grouse hunting and fishing trip with my dad and several of I often found myself surrounded by these guys growing up because they loved to hunt and fish too, and that's who I spent my time with. Mostly. We were up there and it was midday and I wanted to go grouse hunting, and all the guys wanted to hang back at camp, and so I decided that I was going to just walk on foot and go to a trail. And where we were was if you look at Lake Superior and the west side of Lake Superior in Minnesota, and you go up Lake Superia and you find a town named Hoveland, Minnesota. We were northwest of there, about twenty miles and I left camp on foot with my twelve gage shotgun, and I was going to go look for grouse. And there was a hiking trail not far from where we camped that headed kind of northeast and away from camp, and so I thought, well, I'll just go walk that trail. And when you're hunting for grouse, if you don't have a dog to help flushbirds, you just walk quietly and listen. And so at that time I had no knowledge of bigfoot activity.

23:26 I hadn't really done any looking into bigfoot behaviors or anything of that nature. It just wasn't anything I ever thought about. So I have my shotgun and I'm walking down this path, and the terrain in this area is if you've watched the show Port Protection and you see that port protection gets a lot of rain and the ground is mossy and wet. It seems like it's always wet in port Protection. That's a lot like how it is up in the Boundary waters. There's a lot of rain, there's a lot of marshland. It's not mossy like it isn't poor protection, but it's just wet, muddy, terrainy. You don't really want to go off trail. And so there was a hiking trail that was at least five miles long, if not longer, and I thought, well, I'll just hike down this trail real quiet and look and listen for grouse. And so without a dog, you just walk real slow, trying not to make any noise, and you might take twenty or thirty steps and then you stop and you listen, and grouse are going to make a real quiet noise that sounds like water droplets, And so you stop and listen, and you listen for the grouse to make noise, and you watch for them, you know, down on the ground, or you might look up in trees. They might be perched there. But that's what I was doing as I was just taking a hike by myself, very slow and watching for grouse. And I was about probably a half mile down this trail and kind of moderately dense forest around me, and the trail was mostly hard packed mud, so I wasn't making any noise when I was stepping

25:00 walking and stepping over rocks. It's a very rocky terrain up there, and I would stop and listen. So at one point I stopped taking a step and listened, and I heard a step off to the side of me, and I forget since it was two thousand and a figo was left or right side of me. But I heard a step of footfall after I stopped walking, and I thought immediately it's probably a grouse, and so I just turned all my attention in that direction and just listened, and I heard nothing, and I stood there waiting for this grouse to move, and nothing moved, and so I just continued taking a few steps, and I thought, I wonder if that grouse is going to move again, And so then I stopped walking again, and I heard another footfall after I'd stopped walking, and so again I'm staring in this area and I cannot see what it is that's moving, and I think well, that's you know, it's a grouse. I can't see. They're pretty well camouflaged, and I figured it was just off far enough I couldn't see it. So I continued to walk and stop.

25:59 But then I heard a stick break on one time when I stopped walking, and the next step and footfall, a stick broke, and so then I realized I was being flanked by something. And having grown up in the hunting and fishing, I've hunted white tailed deer, and I've had bear around me, and wolves and coyotes and foxes, and I hadn't been elk hunting yet at that point in time my life. But I've heard animals walking through the woods, and this was not an animal with four legs walking on the ground. It sounded like a footfall, you know, It's like one foot setting down. I didn't know what it was, and I thought maybe it could have been a mountain lion. But then I wondered if I would have hear the mountain lion or not. Rather than continue on down the path, I just took my gun off safety and I held it kind of at the ready, kind of my arms are folded, and my twelve gage was up.

26:53 You know, kind of clutching it against my body so I wouldn't have to bring it up if I had to shoot in some direction. And I turned and I hustled out of there, and I did stop once or twice on my way back down that trail back towards camp, and this creature was still pacing me, and I couldn't see it. I never saw it. So that was that incident, and I never saw the creature. But I went back to camp and I shared with my dad what had happened, and he said, it was probably just a big cat following you, which I've never seen up there. Doesn't mean they don't exist. I'm sure they do mountain lions, but I've never seen one in the wild. So that was the first incident, and I didn't think much of it after that. I kind of put it in the back of my mind and probably hoped I was never paced again out in the wild. But fast forward to last fall, September twenty twenty two. I have a cousin. His name is Mike, and Mike lives in Montana, and he moved from Minnesota out to Montana maybe forty years ago, and he's an avid outdoorsman, probably one of the best big game hunters I'll ever know in my entire life. Just a real smart hunter and really a good man, good family man, has a great family.

28:08 Having my cousin live out there, I've never gone big game hunting or hunting for elk with him, and I reached out and a couple of years ago started traveling out to Montana to bow hunt elk with him. Last year was my third year traveling out to bowhunt elk with him, and we were in a new location hunting. We were in the Tobacco Root mountains and there were three encounters there, which I'll talk about. So I'm going to set this up soely understand who was experiencing these encounters. Had my cousin, Mike, who's been an avid hunter's whole life. He's hunted every large game animal you could hunt, probably in the US or Canada. He's hunted a lot his whole life, so he's just a pro. So Mike was out there a relative of his on his wife's side of the family. He was hunting with us, and my son was along as well. So there was four of us and we had been hunting for several days and the relative of Mike's wife.

29:14 He had arched an elk, and that elk was in the cooler or in the freezer and cooler for a couple days and then or about a day, and he was going to go out and do some scouting look for fresh elk tracks because we hadn't been seeing elk that week. They weren't calling, they weren't moving, it was pretty quiet. So he had already got his elk. So he took off by himself one morning to go scout and look for fresh elk tracks in places we hadn't been yet in that area in the Tobacco Room mountain. So he came back to camp after that scouting morning and said that he found a spot where one logging road ended, and he parked his vehicle or his truck, and he walked up the draw and found two wallows and wallows for the listeners who aren't familiar with that term, that is a mud hole essentially that's created by elk using their antlers. And the elk liked to roll around in these mud holes to get mud on their hide, on their fur, and they like to do it once or twice a day typically, And so there's all sorts of fresh elk sign around these wallows.

30:29 So we found two wallows and I'll describe the terrain we were in for this hunt. So he came back from scouting and he marked the two wallows on his on ex app GPS style app that we use for hunting, and he shared the coordinates with me. Big for Society will be right back after these messages, and the decision was made after he had scouted this and found the tracks and found the wallows. So that was the best sign that we had seen all week for elk, and so that was probably the best chance if we were by those wallows to get a chance to arch and elk. I my son headed up to this area that evening to go sit and the plan was to hike up to the wallows and to pick the wallow that looked most active and have my son set off to if you were looking up hill, have him set off to the left side of the wallow, and I would set off to the right side of the wallow at the same elevation. And with the thermals and the mountains, we expected the breeze to come down the mountain and carry our scent downhill towards where we parked, and so we expected all activity at the wallows. If anything was going to happen with Elk, we expected to come from up high to come down to the to the wallows

32:01 that afternoon. So we parked the truck and we hiked up this drainage area and it's a little bit marshy and mucky, and you know, it's hardwoods and boulders and you know, you're climbing up this area. And we went uphill up this draw. It took us about an hour and fifteen minutes to get up to where these wallows were, and we got settled down. My son was on one side of the wallow. I was on the other. We're about thirty yards away from where the wallow was, but we could see it, and we're just waiting. And we had agreed, my son and I had agreed we would sit until seven pm and then we would meet back at the wallow and then head back down the draw to where the truck was parked on this dead end logging road. And so while we were sitting there, my son hasn't really looked into Sasquat or even talking about it. You know, he wasn't necessarily a believer or an hoor or thinking that that was a possibility or anything. But we were sitting there and it was. We had agreed to meet at the wallow and if anything came up, although neither one of us were expert out callers, very novice probably sounded pretty sick making a call. If anything came up, we would call to each other and then meet at the wallow. So we were sitting there. It was very quiet. There was no wind. I could hear nothing moving, you know, no animals, no pine squirrels, nothing. And I heard a tree knock. And that tree knock was uphill from us, you know, high

33:35 little higher elevation, but it was more over on the left side of the wallow where my son was sitting, but up the draw from him, so further up, and it didn't sound like it was too much further up, and so much like getting the tension of a dog when the dog's ears go up and its headcocks to the side. When that tree knock happened, I immediately all of my energy focused on that area, and I was just looking and trying to figure out what it was that I heard, because it was the sound was like taking a Louisville slugger wouldn't bat and walking up to a telephone pole and hitting it as hard as you can, just you know, just real loud and distinct. One big knock, and I'm trying to think of what that could be, and I'm trying not to let all my sasquatch interest play a role here. And I thought, wow, that was a pretty loud knock. And I'm just sitting there and it's still just like super quiet, and I hear a second knock, same exact location, and I thought, that is a tree knock. And I got my cow bleat like read out of my pocket and I made a cow talk noise, which wasn't great, and my son recognized that it was me calling to him, and he answered my call with his cow talk, and he started getting his He

35:05 took his arrow out of his bow and put in his quiver and was kind of getting ready to walk and meet me at the wallow. I looked at my phone at that point, which was in my pocket. I never thought in that moment to take my phone on my pocket, because when you're out hunting, especially bow hunting, you want to be as still as possible, as little movement as possible, because the animals will pick up on it, and so the last thing you want to do is quickly reach for something if you think an animal is coming. So I just I didn't get my phone out before this had I thought it was going to be a bigfoot or possibly a bigfoot. I know you'd think, wh wouldn't you describe your phone and start recording at least the tree knox or something. But that was the furthest thing from my mind. It was really fear and shock. I think I was kind of going into in that moment. So I cow talked to him.

35:52 He cow talked back. He started getting his stuff packed up to move to meet me at the wallow, as did I. And I heard this creature, whatever it was, which was up the draw and maybe a little left of me, more in my son's direction. I heard it take some steps, you know, it was like three or four steps if you looked up the draw up the mountain. It went from left to right, and then it came down the draw on the right hand side of me, and all I heard was three or four steps, and I heard it break a twig downhill from me, but off to my right hand side when it had started uphill from me on my left hand side, so three or four footfalls, it covered seventy five yards or more one hundred yards. It just it covered so much ground in those step step step when it snapped a twig.

36:42 I don't know what could cover that much ground in those few steps, unless I didn't hear the steps in between those and they were shorter, or if there was more than one creature around me. But the directions of the steps were that way from upper left, and then it went across above me in elevation, and then it came down to my right hand side, was heading down the draw in the direction of where my truck was parked. I meet my son at the wallow. He walks up to it. I walk up to it and he said what was that? And I said, what did you hear? And we talked about it, and I said, let's get off the mountain. And when I had grabbed my phone and looked at it after I cow talked to him, it was ten minutes to seven and we had agreed to meet at seven o'clock at the wallow. But I couldn't wait.

37:22 I had to get out of there in that moment, and I had to get I was worried that these knocks were over by him, and he only had a nine millimeter he was carrying, and I was carrying at ten, and so I at least wanted to get us together, so we at least had those two handguns, you know, together versus just his alone. Should something happen that was, you know, requiring us to pull our guns. I said, let's get out of here. It took us an hour and fifteen minutes to get up. It took us about twenty minutes to get down, and we semi ran down the draw to get to the truck. So we're moving pretty quick. We went back back to camp. My cousin and the relative from his wife's side were there at camp. They didn't go out hunting that afternoon. They were processing the elk that this other, the other person with us, harvested the day before. So they were in camp processing. There were no other hunters around, there were no other vehicles around, really kind of out there by ourselves. So we go back to camp and I share with them what happened and what we heard with the knocking and the walking and the gentleman with us that had harvested the elk. He said, oh, the same thing happened to me this morning. So he experienced exactly, or what I thought was exactly my son and I had experienced that morning. But he gave us the coordinates to go back up there that evening to sit for the hunt. And so we went up there, not knowing that that had happened to him. But I described where this creature walked and

38:54 its footfalls and how far it got, and he said exactly the same thing in terms of the n and where they came from and the walking away. So I thought that was too much of a coincidence to not cause alarm for me. And so sitting around that evening, we decided that the next day the four of us were going to go hunt that area because that's where the elk tracks were and we really wanted to harvest another elk. And so that particular area in the Tobaccoo Mountains, the road that I had parked on the night before and walked up that was a lower logging road. There was a logging road above this area as well, so you could drive the upper logging road and park and then walk down this draw. The next morning, my son and this other gentleman drove on the upper logging road and parked, and the plan was for them to come down the draw. I'm going to say it's east east of the wallows. That's where they came down the draw and they stopped at the same elevation as the wallows, and my cousin Mike, and I parked at the where my son and I parked the night before and went up the draw and we went up to where the wallow was that my son and I were hunting on at the same elevation the other two guys were at and together at that time. They were bugling and kow talking back and forth. We were as two separate groups to try and get some elk moving in the area, to see if we could create some excitement for elk so that we could maybe see one. This other gentleman would bugle or cow talk,

40:29 and then my cousin, who's an expert caller, he would do the same back or a similar call or answer. We did this for a little while until my cousin and I were standing by the wallow and doing this kow talk and bugling and just having periods of quiet time, you know, ten minutes of just standing there listening, and then there would be more talking, you know, uh kow talking or whatever. We were hunting. Basically, there was a treeknock in the same spot it happened the night before, and the same spot that happened to the other gentleman the morning before. And I just looked at Mike and I he said, was that a tree knock? He looked at me, and I just shook my head yes or said yes or something real quiet because the woods were so quiet. And so he reaches down and he grabs a stick that he finds and it was thicker than a baseball bat, but he found a stick, and he just held one finger up to me, like hang on a second, and he whacked that stick on the tree to knock back. And when he did that, his stick broke into many pieces. It was like a rotten branch or something. But it was a knock. And he dropped that piece that was still in his hand, and we stood there and this thing knocked back, so it responded to his knock. And again, this thing is so close to us, we couldn't see it, but it was like knocking what would be probably if you're in thick woods, imagine twenty yards away or thirty yards away. That's

42:00 twenty large steps or thirty large steps away is where the snock came back from. And it just felt like it was just so close to us. And I looked at him and probably used some colorful language and said, let's get out of here. And unbeknownst to me, he was angled away from me. And he carried his big bear gun on his right hip, kind of in his ribcage area. And my gun is a chest holster gun with a leather strap that goes over it to hold it in the holster. And I didn't know this, but he unholstered his gun, and that side of his body was facing away from me. That side of his body was facing the direction of where this tree knocking was coming from. So he unholsters his gun and looks at me, and he makes a motion with his hand for me to unsnap the leather strap that straps my ten millimeter into its holster on my chest. And so when he told me to do that and get ready, like I maybe I went ashen or all white or something. I was just it was pretty scary. So I knew a guy who spent his life hunting in the mountains for a large game for him to unholster his gun because he feels a threat that's pretty serious in my books, and I have a lot of respect for his honety, knowledge and everything. So when he's telling me to get ready, I unsnapped that leather strap and I grabbed on to my

43:31 gun. I didn't onholestrip, but I was ready to if I needed to. So I had my bow in one hand and my other hand up on my handle of my gun, And just as I was unsnapping that leather strap on my holster, whatever this creature was, it led out a sound that I've heard somebody describe in another podcast recently. Actually Mike called my attention to it my cousin. But it was a sound of a lot of air leaving a lot of lung capacity, you know, big lungs, and an exhale with a huff in disgust. So if you can imagine just the most disgusted loud huff that if I could assign an emotion to it, I would say disgust. And it was probably about the same time that Mike was unholstering his gun. He unholstered his gun, looked at me, and gave me the motion to unsnap that leather strap, which I did, and this thing huffed, and he turned to face the direction of where this thing was huffing from.

44:34 And it then walked in the same direction it had walked for my son and I the night before, and the same direction it walked for the other gentleman the morning before, and it went down the hill and again it was just a few steps and it was out of there. I said, we needed to get out of there, and he agreed, and we walked in the direction of where the other two guys were, same elevation. We headed I'm going to say, to the east or to the right, and walked over to them, and they had heard the tree knocks and they heard the walking because it had walked down the draw between where we were and where they were. And so we walked over there and we were kind of debriefing on what was going on, and that's when the other gentleman, who had already harvested as Elk, who was there calling and looking for deer while we were looking for Elk. He had said that when he had his encounter twenty four hours earlier, that he had unholstered his gun and that this creature did that huff at him as well in disgust, and he said, the way that you describe it is exactly how it happened to me. Big for society, who will be right back after these messages? And so I'm thinking, wait a minute, you had all this information that you didn't share with us, and then you sent us into this area where all these things happened. As

46:06 it turned out, he unholstered his gun and he ran down the mountain to get out of there. I don't know if he ran, but he got out of there quick because he said that he was it scared him. Whatever it was it was, he didn't know what it was, having been having grown up in the woods and hunting and listened to the animals move. I just can't figure out what would have single footfalls and what would make that noise, and do the knocks and knock back, and everything keeps coming back for me. But I didn't lay eyes on it. I did contact a game warden about a month after this happened or more to report it, or several weeks later to report the incident and provide the coordinates, and that particular game warden said they lived five miles from that location and would definitely go check it out, so suggested that he didn't go alone, he would bring someone with because this was I didn't see any tracks, but it just sounded like a bay animal. It covered a lot of ground pretty quickly. So that is basically the first encounter of whether it was an encounter or not. The pacing in two thousand and then these three three accounts in the same exact area and the behavior that we encountered. Can I ask a few questions before? Okay, that's absolutely incredible. So your cousin Mike is a big game hunter.

47:30 I'm sure he's very familiar with the animals in that area. Are there any other animals that could make a huff sound like that? It sounded like he was. I mean, he was ready with his gun for something. He absolutely was ready with his gun. I didn't know that he unholstered his gun when he told me to get ready. You know, when he gave me that hand motion to unsnap the leather strap that was holding my gun in that is when I realized he had unhole street his gun. And that is about the time when this creature did that disgusted huff. And that's when he then turned to face that direction and we were both just looking as hard as we could to try and see what this was. And then it walked off and we couldn't see it. We could hear it walk off, and we never saw it. It was but a he is a very avid hunter. He's been hunting his whole life. He's been hunting those mountains his whole life.

48:30 But he didn't he couldn't figure out what it is. I know it bothers him like it bothers me today thinking about it in terms of we just neither one of us really want to see it or wanted to see it or have the encounter. But to see it then would have put to rest the what was it? But I just don't know what else it could have been. The tree knock back, like if you would say an elk would use its if an elk took its rack and hit its rack on a tree, if they're going to rub their rack on a tree, they're gonna, you know, rub it up and down in a tree. They're not going to hit it like the sound of a wooden bat hitting a telephone pole, just a real loud You can imagine the sound if you were to go outside and do that today. That's the sound. So was that Mike's first potential sasquatch interaction that you know of. That's an interesting question because he and I have had this conversation a few times. And if he thinks back on hunting in the mountains over the year, you know, forty years of hunting, it's a long time. And he said, there's been times where roads that were passable would have a log drug over them, and like they would be going in somewhere and then come back out and there's a log drug over the road where they had passed. The When people talk about hearing the screaming that you can't figure out what it is that's screaming like a woman screaming in the woods.

49:58 And he knows all the animals sound, you know, the cats, the foxes, the all these sounds. He knows them all well, and he had that experience once. But he, like me, never thought about sasquatch ever until I started asking him questions after I had heard about the pacing situations, and then I thought about my experience in the Boundary waters up in Minnesota, northern Minnesota years ago. I then decided to ask him if he'd ever seen anything out of the ordinary, which then started him down the path of listening to some podcasts and doing his own you know, armchair research, you know, listening at listening to podcasts, reading, et cetera. So that's very very interesting. Have you guys ever experienced any you know, something Can mentioned was experiencing finding grizzlies I believe out there with their next broken. Is that anything that you've ever run into out there? No, very thankful for that. My fear would be running into a grizzly. And he's actually run into grizzlies out there over the years when he's been out hunting, and he's never mentioned that he's run into that. Just looking back at that and knowing that there weren't many people around that entire we were probably there for I think seven or eight days. We might have seen three other hunters in different places around the mountains. I mean, that's a lot of country to hunt,

51:30 and it just doesn't make sense to us as we think back on it, that it could have been a prank, you know, by another hunter. Would hunters just when they're too busy hunting to want to prank others in this way? Right? Why would a hunter go to the exact same location and tree knock and huff, and how would they cover that distance of walking, you know, and just a lot of unanswered questions. But you know that was the extent off. If you had seen one, I've you know, had an actual visual and you were ready with you know, both hands. That's something you think about, like what would have I done in that situation?

52:12 And I don't know what I would have done. I don't know what I would have done. I knew I had my hand on my gun, you know, I knew he had his gun drawn. I just didn't know I with I don't know. I don't want to see one. I didn't want to see one then, I don't want to see one now. I hope I never see one. If I do, it would be in a vehicle, would be a long distance you know, viewing, or somebody else having a really great sighting that gets recorded or something. But I don't ever want to see one. I hope I never do. I would tend to want to retreat, just from what I'm hearing about the size of an adult, you know, from other sightings, I'd want to retreat and not risk taking a shot and that's that's incredible. It's an incredible story. Since the time that you've had that happen, have you heard of similar their interactions happening in the Tobacco Root Mountains. I have not, and I've been searching for that. I searched the podcast just to see if anybody else is talking about that location, and I just haven't seen it. And I was looking because I, you know, you're looking for validation of what happened, and I just haven't seen it. I'm I'm fairly sure it wasn't a bear because and there are grizzlies there, because a bear doesn't have thumbs to hold a piece of wood to hit it on a tree. And I think a bear would either come at you or go away. It wouldn't just tree knock and respond to a tree knock. And you know, I suppose bears do den or

53:42 hang out in spots, but I just wouldn't think three times in a row we would have the same activity in the same place unless it was a spot, you know, because this was the only fresh elk sign we had seen really in all the time there, because the elk were just in different locations than where we were, that it might have been if it was a sasquatch or a grizzly, but it was a prime hunting spot for them where they could look down on the wallows. Is that area a place that you would ever go hunting in again or is that off limits for you now because of that, that's a great question. I'm going to be going back out to Montana elk hunting with the bow again this year and just haven't decided where we're going to go yet. I don't know that i'd want to go to that specific area, that specific draw where those wallows were, because that was for me personally terrifying first to have my son there, and of course, as a parent, you want to protect your kids, but then second to have somebody who knows those mountains so well act the way he acted. I knew that this was something out of the ordinary. I really don't want to go to that specific spot again. Now. I don't blame you. I really don't blame you on that. If it would feel like I've dodged I've dodged something a few times. I don't know if I want to put myself in that situation again. I don't know if what happens if lightning strikes again, you know, right now. Something interesting about this area is that cattle ranchers

55:13 are allowed to let their cattle kind of free range in this area, and there were cattle at lower elevations in this area. And so you think about the beef on a cow, you know, and versus elk meet it's interesting that a cow would be very easy for a creature of this size and speed to catch, where an elk would be difficult to catch or more difficult to catch. So it's just interesting. My cousin and I were talking about the fact that the cows were plentiful, you know, in that area, so that was also interesting. Oh. Absolutely, It's like, make it the best food source area that you could for a large animal that needs a ton of calories per day. Let's give for apps some huge burgers that are walking around and have at it boys. You know, that's phenomenal. Man.

56:09 I'd love to talk to some of those ranchers. I bet they've had some come up missing for sure if they're free range. But that has been I mean, it's an amazing story. When you were talking to me off camera earlier and on Facebook, you had mentioned another thing which and this is a totally left hand turn out of Bigfoot territory, but listeners will find it interesting because of interviews I've had in the past before. And you've had an interesting sighting of another creature down in Mississippi, and do you mind sharing about that? Sure, you're right with it being a left turn, So I'll set up the situation or what was going on. I was driving with my husband from Minnesota down towards Mobile, Alabama, on January first, and we had stayed in a hotel for the It was a two day trip, so the first night we stayed in the hotel and then we woke up early in the morning and then began our drive to head to Mobile. And we were the sun had come up and it the morning kind of fog had lifted, and we were in Mississippi. And I can't tell you the exact pinpoint location.

57:30 I just know that we were about fifty miles northwest of Philadelphia, Mississippi. And what I had done when we left our hotel that morning I was driving is I just put our destination into GPS on my phone and I was following that and we were on a two lane road heading southeast and the fog had lifted. It was seven twenty five in the morning, because when this happened, I looked at the clock to see what time it was, just out of curiosity. And there was morning dew kind of or you know, all the dampness from the fog that happens down in that area in the winter times. There was like morning dew on all the branches of all the trees.

58:15 And we were going through a it's kind of a lowland area and this two lane road. On the east side of the road there was there wasn't much shoulder, it seemed like on this road. You know, I'm used a bit more shoulder on a road, but the road kind of dropped off and went down ten to twenty feet down to the forest floor where it was flat, and there wasn't much greenery growing because of the time of year being January. So the sun was coming up, the fog had lifted, the trees were sparkling with this morning dew. Was really pretty. And my husband was riding in the passenger seat, and he's never seen anything that I would call out of the ordinary or paranormal or cryptid or anything like that. And he's very gracious and listening with me when I listen to podcasts and things, but it's not really his deal. And I'm driving and something crossed the road in front of us, and it went from left to right, so it went from east to west, and it went across the road so fast that I was he saw it the entire way. He saw it come across the road from left to right, so from east to west he saw it. It was maybe fifty yards in front of us. I was going sixty miles an hour. And this I'm going to call it an entity, and I'll describe it in a minute. Here it crossed the road, and it crossed the road. I'm going to make a noise to share with the audience how quickly

59:49 this thing crossed the road. And it crossed the road like jun like that fast across a two lane road from left to right. And where I saw it at first was in the middle of my lane as it was heading towards the right side of the road, heading towards the west. He saw it the entire way. So what I think happened is I blinked at that moment when it started across the road, and it was like I blinked, and it was already in front of my our vehicle in my lane and heading off the side of the road, and I noticed when it crossed the road that there was a driveway on the right hand side of the road. And I'm going to describe. I have to describe what the layout of that side of the road was so that it helps. As I on the left, the road dropped down around the east side of the road, it dropped down about ten to twenty feet and it leveled off flat into lowland swampy wood area big for society will be right back after these messages. And on the west side of the road, or the right side of the road, there was overgrown vines and different type of greenery alongside the road that might have grown over a

1:01:21 fence that might have been there years ago, but it was very thick and you couldn't really see beyond it. And where this entity crossed the road, there was a driveway on the west side of the road, a gravel driveway, very narrow, and these weeds and vines and brush bushes whatever they were, grew real heavy right up until the driveway, and the driveway was super narrow and on the other side of the driveway, as were driving again, this greenery and bushes and vines continued. Once we passed that driveway, I couldn't I looked as we're passing the drive but once we got past that little opening, I couldn't see back to see what I had seen in that driveway.

1:02:05 I'll get back now and talk about the entity and what we saw. You know, the sun is shining, the fog is lifted, the branches are glistening with the moisture that's on them and the sun that's hitting them, and I'm thinking, this is really pretty. It is lowlands, and it is in the middle of really a low populated area in Mississippi. And all of a sudden, this entity crossed the road. And what was confusing for me in the moment was I've seen animals cross the road. I've hunted deer my entire life. I've seen dogs run, deer, bears, wolves, I've seen animals running across a road or running in front of me, and you'll see a neck and a head and you'll see legs running. What I saw, the same thing my husband saw, was a mass that was about two feet above the road, and it was rust color, kind of and grayish, but real fuzzy around the outside like muted washed out, so it was. It was a form the size of an adult torso, with no head, arms or legs, but real muted in colors and going, like I said, so fast across the road that you you know, right across the road like that that I saw it in front of me in my lane, and then I saw it go across into that driveway where it disappeared from sight. And we're approaching that driveway, and as we went by at sixty, I looked down that driveway and I'll explain what I saw. In a moment. I said to my husband, what the was that? And he

1:03:42 said, and he doesn't swear, he said, exactly what the F was that? And I said, did you did you look down the driveway? Because I was driving and I saw it hit that driveway or go down that driveway, and I turned and looked to see if I could see. I wanted to see like a dog's there, or a deer or something to tell me I didn't like something to make sense of what I saw. But I know what I saw in that mask moving across the road so quickly was no arms, no legs, no neck, no head, and it was a very smooth glide across the road or flying across the road. It was, and it was substantial in size. So when I looked down the driveway, I asked him, but did you look on the driveway and he said no, and I'm driving and he said go back, and I said, no effing way am I going back, because when I looked on the driveway what I saw I didn't want to go back to. I did not want to turn around and go back. I said, I am not going back.

1:04:41 We are driving on. And so we've spent the next few hours talking about what we saw. And I kept asking him because he has not had experiences and he's always, you know, been a good sport and listening. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot Society. We'll be right back. After these messages, I could ask, tell me again, what you saw, be very detailed. Explain what you saw. And what he saw a crossing the road is what I explained to you, the same thing that I saw. And so for me, there was a little peace of mind that there was somebody with me that saw what I saw. But he did not turn his head and look down that driveway, and I did. And when I looked down that driveway about ten yards or less beyond that vine thick hedgerow whatever it was, weeds, grass bushes about ten yards beyond that in this gravel driveway. When I went past, what I saw was too extremely skinny, bluish grayish, what looked like legs, but they were very long, like very long, meaning they would belong on a very super skinny NBA player that might have been seven feet tall. But we're talking very skinny, like skin little skinny.

1:06:00 And the color I was describing to my husband the color of the legs, it looked like stonewashed blue jeans from back in the eighties, that color, you know, light bluish gray. And because I was going sixty miles an hour and this drive was narrow, I saw this image and I'll explain a little bit more about it. And we kept driving and I kept trying to process what it was I saw, and it was just legs. And on top of the legs there was a red If you can imagine taking a red handkerchief and tying it around your waist, you know, maybe making it into more of a rope shape and tying around your waist like red and a little puffy, or taking a sweatshirt and rolling it into something and tying that around your waist or a T shirt. But there was something red right at the top of what should have been a torso. It was just a blur of red, but there was no upper tors It was just these long, skinny legs. And it just didn't make any sense to me because what I saw crossing the road was this mass, and I described that, and then what I saw standing in the driveway as we went past was not the mass.

1:07:15 It was these legs with red at the top of the legs, like where the torso should should be. That was what I saw. That was January first, seven twenty five in the morning this year. So I was just glad somebody else saw something that I saw to kind of like validate that I saw something. You know, have you ever gone back to that area or that was a one time trip through that area? That was a one time trip through the area. I just I don't know if I could get back to the area. I suppose I could if I just put the GPS on the hotel we stayed at the night of the thirty first, before we got up next morning to drive this way, you know, down south so I could drive that way again. I don't have any desire to see that again.

1:08:02 I can't explain what it was. I just call it an entity, but it doesn't I can't make sense of what I saw crossing the road at that speed and size with no arms and legs, and then looking down that driveway that it entered into, and seeing what I saw when I passed, and this was a really run down piece of property. You know it. I don't know if somebody lived there or not, but there's a lot of places you drive by in that part of the country that look really run down. No, I don't want to go back there. No, but Mississippi is a weird place from what I've talked to other people. Not surprised that you had that encounter there, for sure. There's something weird about that state that I'm finding out. It's very very strange. What do you if, I'm sure you've thought of this a few times since that January first, able to make any sense of of what you think it is or the best you can think it's some sort of entity. I have thought about it because it's and you've probably had guests on or you've heard podcasts where people try and fit what they see into what they know, and I can't fit what I saw with the mass crossing the road, the speed with which this I'm going to call it an entity cross the road was I mentioned I believe I blinked at the time when it started crossing the road, because I saw it when it

1:09:33 was in front of my vehicle. It had already come across the other lane, and my husband saw it the entire way left to right, and so I know it didn't just manifest in front of our vehicle that because he saw it go left to right and I just saw it in front of us going to the right. I just don't understand what it could have been. It doesn't fit into any slot that I can think of in terms of what it might be, which is why I've just I think of it as an entity. I don't know what it could have been. And then when I looked down that driveway and saw those really long, skinny legs, I thought, well, that could have been a person bending over that was very thin with really long legs, and they could have had a shirt tied up around their waist that was red. But I didn't see any upper torso I just saw legs and that red at the top of what would be the waistband, you know, area of if you were wearing a pair of pants, you know that was it just these long, skinny legs with the red above it.

1:10:33 And it just doesn't The two don't make sense to me, And like, I don't know what the possibilities are, you know, is it an entity that manifested into what I saw? Is it two separate things? I don't know. I mean, what are your thoughts? You know, it's tricky because you say is stonewash blue gray color, but man, if you had said white, would have thought. You know, there's a thing that's seen out in California, the fred Fred Crawler, and it's also see I believe there's sighting out in Yosemite National Park as well, but the main one is out in California. But what you described as is definitely a little bit different than that, for sure. But I just I if I had to think of like anything that's even a little bit close, that's what I might think.

1:11:30 But yours just seems like a very unique There's something going on in Philadelphia, Mississippi area, and if listeners know of any other things that have happened that this sounds familiar to them. I would love to hear about if you can email me atosociety at gmail dot com or hit me up on any of my social channels. Yeah, I'm at a loss for this one, Leslie. I hope we can somehow get some answers for But it's a fascinating story, but I'm not really sure what to do with it. Well, maybe your listeners will have an idea, and you know, maybe they can come hopefully get in touch with you because there's power and knowledge, and you know, you've got a community out there that all wants to learn more and have conversations around these things. Yeah, I would be very interested to hear if anybody else has seen anything similar in terms of entities or I said that long set of legs with nothing else but the legs, that was just pretty shocking.

1:12:32 I guess absolutely. Leslie. It's been really fun chatting with you today about your different encounters, and thank you for coming on. If you ever have any other things happened to you as well, feel free to reach out and let me know about it. You've been a really fun guess, very knowledgeable, and your attention to detail is some of the best that I've ever heard. So thanks jer Maya, thanks for letting me share my story. Stay tuned for a special interview about the twenty twenty four Bigfoot Rendezvous. All right, big for Society. We've got the privilege of talking to Chelsea. She's with the twenty twenty four Bigfoot Rendezvous out there in Pocatello, Idaho.

1:13:15 And how's it going today, Chelsea? Pretty good? How are you? I'm doing great. I'm living the dream, talking to people about Bigfoot and doing all sorts of wild stuff and I can't complain. But you know, I've heard about this from a few different people, so I'd love to chat with you for a few minutes today, So tell me all about what we've got going on with the Bigfoot Rendezvous. So this is an event that we do every couple of years. My friend Brandon, he's the one who started this whole thing years ago. So this year we have some guest speakers. We have doctor Jeffrey Meldrum, who is a resident of Pocatello, so it's always nice to have him come and speak for us. We have Nko spatafora he works over at the North American big Foot Center, and who works with Cliff Berrickman pretty closely, so pretty excited about that. We will also have David Ellis, who specializes in vocalizations, and we will also have Mark Marcel and also Squatch America is going to be doing an appearance at the event as well. The lineup you have for Bigfoot Rendezvous is incredible. I mean, this is a lineup you're not going to really find at most Bigfoot conferences.

1:14:33 You have people like Michael Freeman, the son of Paul Freeman, who have talked to on the podcast. Also Nico from North American Bigfoot Center, who is a wealth of knowledge, David Ellis, who one of the premier individuals with Bigfoot sound recording, Squatch America crew, Mark Marcell, and of course doctor Meldrum, who we all know and love in the community. But Chelsea, what was the motivation behind putting this conference together? Well, Brandon says that a lot of times people come up to Jeff Meldrum and they ask him when are you going to come speak for us, you know, because he travels the country and does speeches elsewhere. And Brandon and Jeff are really close friends. You know. The first year they got together at ISU and they put together an event so that the locals could also get a chance to speak with Jeff. That's so cool. It's bringing it all back home. I love it. What kind of things can people expect to find when they come to this conference? So yeah, So this year we're doing it at the Westwood Mall, right next door to Outer Limits Fun Zone, which is a pizza arcade and oh my gosh, they have like the best pizza and the best chicken. And then there's also a Mexican food truck in the parking lot every day, so there's definitely options for food. And then we are also going to have some vendors who will be selling Bigfoot merch and that part's going to be open to the public. You don't have to buy a ticket to

1:16:04 check out the vendors, which is really good for the vendors and for people who just want to come and check it out, But it's if you want to see the speakers, you gotta pay for the ticket. One of the guys we got coming is bred and Haffeine and he has a Bigfoot being going on in Boise and I believe he's the one that sells watch juice. Oh yeah, I've heard of that. Yeah, very interesting. Okay, that's cool, he'll be there all right. We have a few Native Americans live in the area that are gonna be coming and displaying some of their crafts and arts that are also Bigfoot related, and we're always excited to have them come and come to these things because I feel like Tomi personally, I feel like that kind of legitimizes it. These people have been around for much longer than we have, and they've had many more experiences and stories to to share with us, you know, Oh, absolutely, I think it's extremely important when we have Native American influence present in festivals and conferences like this. For sure.

1:17:13 Is this a one day event or multiple days or we're going to be doing it for two days? Very cool? And I'm guessing there's some hotels nearby people can stay in and all that good stuff. Yeah. So if you go to sasquatchprints dot com, we do have a carousel at the top of the page and it takes you to the hotel where you can get a discount. Is Pocatello easy to get to? Is there an airport nearby or if people wanted to fly in for this, that unfortunately is a little bit more difficult. We do have an airport, and they do have delta flights coming and out, but it's easier to probably fly into Salt Lake and rent a car to get here. Or I believe that Idaho Falls Airport is getting bigger, where you might be able to find into Idaho Falls, which is maybe about fifty minutes away for Pocatello. Fantastic, But I mean, looking at the lineup again, even if you had to put a little work to get there, it's going to be worth going to this event. I myself, I've met Mark Marcel in person, and that alone is a delight because Mark is one of the nicest individuals and you'll love it. So you know, I can't imagine meeting the other individuals in person. So I would say people definitely need to put in the extra effort to try to get to this event. But Chelsea, I've got to ask you while I have you on

1:18:44 the phone, have you ever experienced anything maybe bigfoot related or weird out in the woods yourself? Possibly? So usually when I go hiking, I try to stick to trails that are heavily pop mulated with people, so the chances that I bump into a wild animal is less likely, you know, I don't I'm not a gun carrying type, so I don't, you know, I don't have that extra protection if something were to attack me, So I just I usually stick with heavily populated trails. But I did once wander off into the woods by myself in an area that wasn't so populated, and things were, things were fine and dandy, and then all of a sudden, I just noticed that there was like no sound, like there were no birds chirping. It was like deathly quiet. And then like the hair on the back of my neck started to like raise, and I was just like, oh my gosh, I need to turn around, you know, Like, so as soon as that happened, I turned right around and went back the direction I came from, because whatever was causing that feeling was not good, I could tell for sure. Who knows what it could have been that you almost experienced out there. And the thing about it is Idaho is so wild.

1:20:01 I've talked to some people up in northern Idaho that have had things happen that I myself would never want to experience. So I'm kind of glad that nothing crazy happened to you that day. But Chelsea, it has been a pleasure chatting to you real quick about the Bigfoot Rendezvous. And one last question, how can people get tickets again for this? The tickets can be purchased on sasquatchprints dot com. There is a link it says purchase tickets here. It's in red and if you click on it, it should you take you right to the tickets. Remember to get your tickets off the website because on the day of the event it will go up in price. Extremely important, guys, get your tickets ahead of time on the website. You don't want to be paying more at the door, but you could be, but we let you know. So all right, Chelsea, Well, such a pleasure chatting with you, and I hope that these Bigfoot Rendezvous goes awesome for you.

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1:24:36 It's too afraid to tell their story. Maybe this will give them the courage to come out. And now I feel so bad about it. Who cares what anybody thinks. I know what I saw, I know what's out there. That's all I care abo. Please let people know, Please let them know. If you ever see one of these things, you need to tell because if you don't, then shame on you, you know, shame on you. Wait there's more. Monsterfest two is coming up soon and beautiful Canton,

1:26:10 Ohio, and I will be there doing a live podcast. If you've ever wanted to meet Bigfoot Society in person, this is the year to do it. My special guest in the live podcast episode will be Justin from Cryptids of the Corn. You will not want to miss this live episode and then you can hang out with me at Monsterfest. You can go to small Town Monsters dot com to get your tickets. Pre sale tickets are twenty dollars fifty cents and tickets at the door will be twenty five dollars, but kids twelve and under are free. How many places can you go to where at kids twelve and under are free? Not many. New this year are the live workshops. I'm excited about this, extremely excited. How to cast a footprint, to collect DNA in the woods, ghosts hunting tools one oh one, how to do research. Also, there's going to be food trucks outside this year and new guests, new speakers, people you won't I mean, the coolest thing about last year is that I got to meet people I was not expecting to be there, people like less Odell, John Hickinbottom, really cool, big people that I never would have thought that I would have met before.

1:27:31 And Seth Breedlove made it happen by making this incredible place for the community to get together. Monsterfest in kant Ohio June twenty eighth through twenty ninth. Guys, do not miss this year. If you missed last year, don't miss this year. Head on over right now to Smalltown Monsters dot com. I hope to see there.