July 22, 2025

It Answers My Call | Missouri

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Season 1

What happens when a lifelong outdoorsman and tech-savvy product designer brings UFO tactics into Bigfoot country? In this gripping episode of Bigfoot Society, Levi returns with shocking updates from Weldon Spring, Missouri — a hotspot that just won’t let him go. From finding a deer skull impaled on a stick to stumbling upon a nest-like structure deep in the brush, Levi’s encounters keep getting stranger. But it’s what happens next that will leave you breathless — disorientation, sudden illness, high-strangeness with compasses, and the feeling of being watched… and followed.

We dive into government surveillance, strange aircraft with no transponders, and the moment Levi realized something invisible was paralleling him in the woods. You’ll also hear about what happened when he used a mysterious instrument known only as “the telephone” — triggering growls, eye shine, and a light in the trees that defied explanation during a BFRO expedition.

Is this cryptid research — or something deeper? Listen now to one of the most unnerving Sasquatch encounters we’ve ever shared.

Listen to Levi's first episode (614) here: https://youtu.be/DCcm1l5BHzc

Contact Levi: contact@narcop.org

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You're listening to Big for Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron.

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On today's episode, we welcome back Levi from episode six

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fourteen to provide some updates on the Weldon Spring area

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of Missouri. What follows is a deep dive into how

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he's been communicating with Bigfoot really maybe even summoning it.

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It gets pretty intense, so follow along and stay with us.

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All right, Big the Society, we got the privilege of

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talking to Levi again. Levis an individual that we talked

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to back in I want to say is December of

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twenty fourteen. It's episode six fourteen, so a while back.

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You'll want to hit that one to get all the

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intro information. Also, Levi was just on an episode of

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Sasquatch Theory, so if he sounds familiar, that is why.

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But we might be talking about some things that may

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not have been really gone into on that show. So

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just a little bit to go over there. But Levi

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and also your lifelong outdoorsman and technical footwear product designers,

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so you have a very interesting way of looking at things.

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But welcome to the show again, Levi. How's it going man?

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Good? Good? Yeah, thank you. Glad to be back.

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Absolutely. I mean, we have some really interesting things to

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talk about today. The last time you were here, we

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were talking about Weldon Spring, which is an area outside

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of Saint Louis, Missouri, and just some really interesting things

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that you've been looking into. But it sounds like the

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crazy stuff has not not really stopped for you. But

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you know, do you want to give a little bit

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about yourself before we start getting into that update.

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Yeah, for sure. Yeah. So my name is Levi. I'm

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from Indiana, originally near who's your National Forest. I moved

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to Saint Louis like two years ago for work. I

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basically make climbing shoes and trail hiking running recovery shoes

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for the rock climbing industry. I also designed pretty much

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anything that comes up on the docket, like hey, we

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want to do this, can you make prototypes? So with work,

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it puts me outside a ton and an absolute like

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phenomenal amount of time spent outside, hike very regularly to

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remote locations to test products, just constantly out in the

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woods at this point, which is pretty great. It's nice

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to have a job that kind of allows me to

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also be close to a full time researcher, to an

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extent the two mix really well. So yeah, moved here,

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had heard some interviews about Weldon Springs, had checked some

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of the sites Bigfoot Mapping Project and you know the

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BFR data info stuff, uh, and just said, Okay, hey,

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look like it's a pretty cool spot. We might have

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something happen there. Let's go ahead and roll out. Have

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a extremely large interest in the UFO realm, like you know,

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classic saucer shape now to what has been turned into UAPs.

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I pull a lot of research stuff from that realm

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to try and come up with new ways of gathering

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data and evidence to an extent, make a lot of

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really crazy things electronically to try to you know, take

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measurements or or capture photographs or capture sound. Yeah. So

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that's that's like the easiest way to explain all of it.

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That's awesome. Weldon Springs has come up a few times

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on the show. Just some really weird stuff happens in

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that area. Probably the best i'd say representation of it

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is when we talked to you the first time. But

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you mentioned before we started that the weird stuff is

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still continuing to happen in that area. Would you be

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able to you know, kind of fill us in with

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what you've been experiencing in that area.

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Oh yeah, for sure. Yeah, so recently started finding a

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lot of uh potential tree structures. I don't want to

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say one hundred percent that's that's what they are. They were,

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you know, definitely made by sasquatch. No one knows for real.

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I strongly feel that they are. I have a lot

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of photos that I can share as well. Started trying

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to I was focusing on one main area that's kind

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of near the trail system and started to try and

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branch out a little bit to some some different areas

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that are close by that. The area is massive, it's

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part of the August Day Bush Conservation Area, so it's

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it's a substantial plot of land where there are people

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around and in it, but it's not constantly populated. The

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town of Weldon Springs is a little bit away. But yeah,

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so started started focusing on different areas and almost immediately

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had some really really weird stuff just kind of pop

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up out of nowhere. For me, that really stood out

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was there's a large plot that's plains area has a

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couple of lakes or ponds for fishing, but in the

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very very back corner there's you start to see the woodline.

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So I was like, Okay, maybe I'll hike through the plain,

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see what's over there. The first time I went out,

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I found essentially a four foot tree. I'm not I'm

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not positive it was if it was an actual tree

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that was buried in the ground and growing, or if

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it was the top of like a branch shoved into

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the ground and placed very very deliberately and very precisely

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on that branch or tree whatever we want to call it,

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was a deer skull, and the the top of the

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branch pointed or ran through the lower part of the

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mandible and then out the eye socket. I know it's graphic.

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I apologize this. This skull was bear white. It looked

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like it had been picked clean, like not processed, like

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bleached or whatever you would think or say, but very

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very clean as far as you know, animal remains go.

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So I found this guy. It's at the very edge

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of the of the tree line, very end of the field,

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just kind of hanging out. So went out, you know,

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took some photos, looked at it, and was like, maybe

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I should walk into this tree line. So looked for

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an opening or a game trail, found a tiny little

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game trail that I'm assuming deer had had passed through.

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And almost immediately as I walked past the tree line,

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I noticed that, like the area completely changes, like feeling

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wise for me, being in ufology and like experiencing stuff

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in that realm, I kind of pick up like physically

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and mentally can kind of tell like, oh, yeah, this

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is probably a good area for whatever is around. Call

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it intuition or sixth sense or whatever. So yeah, walk

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in this little cut popping in the tree line. Feeling

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completely changes. I looked to my left and there's essentially

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what looks like a dish of foliage. So it looked

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like something had pulled down a ton of trees and

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branches that were you know, like potentially ferns or maple,

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like thick, thick foliage and then placed deliberately in a

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circle pattern. And then there was a tree that was

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pushed over into this circle pattern that kind of to me,

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it looked like a ramp into it, like you would

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walk up into this nest area per se. So I

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walked up into the nest area and immediately noticed that

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all the foliage in the center is compacted down to

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where it looks like a bowl, like something that you

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would sleep in if you were trying to hide or

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didn't want to be seen. It's hard to know directly

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what caused that or what manipulated those trees and bushes

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and everything into that position, but given the location, I

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I would bet very very large amounts of money that

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it was not a human. That area is super thick

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with it's it's just dense. They don't cut underbrush there.

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It's it's kind of hard to get to. But this dish.

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All of those pieces that were pulled in were dragged

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across the ground. Very few things looked like they were

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picked up and placed in until you got to the

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higher edge of this bowl. So saw that was like, wow,

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this is really interesting. I've heard this and other reports.

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I've seen photos of this in you know, the Pacific,

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Northwest Canada, pretty much all over at this point. So

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I noticed that. I walked out and I turned right,

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and as I'm looking off into the to the woods,

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I noticed a small tree structure that is essentially I'm

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going to try to explain this as clearly as possible.

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It's still is confusing without a photo. So it's two

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angle branches placed in an X, and it's leaned up

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against a tree, and then there's a crossbar that goes

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left to right through the center of the X, and

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then it's encapsulated by slightly curved sticks. So it kind

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of looks like an asteric in a circle, if that

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makes sense, but it's leaned up against the tree. I

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have photos of this one as well, a lot of

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stuff woven in pretty crazy. Had never seen one like that.

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I did notice, though, that it was relatively low. Search

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the area for footprints, tried to find, like, you know,

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anything that would lead me to believe that there was

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human interaction in this area making these things. Couldn't find anything,

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so I kept walking and was like, Okay, maybe there's

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some other stuff. And then I found this. The best

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way to explain it is two vine bushes dragged in

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between two sets of trees, and then almost three feet

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off of the ground from one bush to the other

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bush is are three woven strands of vine that run

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three feet off the ground from edge to edge. I

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checked to see if stuff was grown there, like the

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vines and everything. I personally don't feel like it is.

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I'm not going to say one hundred percent that it is.

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It just didn't look like it was there naturally. It

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almost looked like something dragged these things from one set

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to another set and then took vines and then wove

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them together. I have photos of this too, so that's

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like maybe fifty sixty yards away. What was really interesting

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interesting though, was the location of that little three foot stretch.

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It spans probably twenty five feet left or right if

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you go one hundred yards past it, there's a field

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that I always walk into, and in this field, three

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days prior to finding this, I was getting like continuously

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whistled at the you know, like the the two tone

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high low. And it was at night. It was during dark.

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It was like nine point thirty when I started having

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this happen, and I was like, man, that's really crazy.

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I've never had whistling back here, you know. I pulled

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out red light, white light, everything I could to try

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to figure out if someone was poxing or potentially standing

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there and messing with me. Couldn't see anything. So that's

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what led to trying to go back into those woods

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to see if there were something around there. I went

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back a couple days later, and actually it was like

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a week and a half later because I was on

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a BFRO expedition the following week, went back, walked in

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the same way that I did, and couldn't find any

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of it, absolutely like totally twisted in the woods, can't

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find where these things were. I don't save location on

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photos because I don't want the information to be leaked

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via exit data or smart people that know how to

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track photos and stuff like that. So walked in, tried

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to find it, couldn't find it, but I ended up

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finding another set and almost immediately started feeling really really

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really overwhelmed and sick. The week before on the BFRO expedition,

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I had I feel like I got hit with infra sound.

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We could talk about that after, But that following week

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went back to try to find this stuff, found new

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new tree structures, and just violently sick, completely out of nowhere.

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Had you know, enough water, wasn't dehydrated, had not eaten

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terrible food that would you know, potentially leave me to

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throwing up or whatever. Found it. Ten minutes, fifteen minutes

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went by, and it was like just an onslaught of

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like physical pain. Ended up having to hike out of

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the woods and just basically hit this field and just

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just got annihilated sick, like I can't explain how much

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I puked without going into detail. From that point to

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where my car was parked, it took me a good

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hour to get back to the car because I was

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just like completely blasted, like like couldn't I could hardly

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walk at this point. I felt like something was trailing

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me at this time too. It just I was hearing

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things in the woods. I wear sound canceling headphones to

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try to drown out like all the disturbing noise, so

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I can hear, you know, potential footsteps or tree snaps

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or stuff breaking in the woods, or weird sounds that

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are you know, not really audible to our ears without magnification.

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to get back to the car, hearing stuff constantly. And

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that's just kind of where everything started to get really

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really crazy at Weldon Springs.

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Oh wow. Man, So, so at this point, when you're

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getting really sick, you are out there by yourself, right

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you You pretty much go out there by yourself the

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go with other people is if I'm on an expedition.

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I'm crazy for doing so, but I'm not really worried

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about it. I can kind of handle whatever comes my way.

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my girlfriend like, hey, I'm going out here. This is

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where I'm at. If you can see me on the

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on the map, that's where the car is, so someone

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knows where I'm at essentially, But yeah, completely alone. No one,

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no one's around, no one's helping, no one's you know,

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causing these feelings. It's just me and the woods.

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Absolutely. So just in case there are new listeners, it's

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a really important thing he just said there, which is

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someone else should know where you're going. Or you can

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have things with you in case stuff does go wrong.

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You can have things like a garment you know in

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reach mini too, whatever you can push if if you

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know something goes wrong, or another thing. Have you considered

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looking into these are not sponsors, by the way, have

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you looked into using on X to mark spots so

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you can yeah?

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Yeah, yeah, so I use on X pretty much every day.

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hiking a areas, Like it's really important to try to

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find exactly where they are. I had marked the other

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two stuff on on X when I first found like

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the skull in the two structures, and when I went

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back those waypoints were way way off where I thought

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I had marked them versus where I was or sorry,

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where I was in the woods versus where I had

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marked them were totally different. And I followed like, you

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can't really get you can get aligned to an extent,

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but it's still not like a direct location. That That's

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kind of what made me a little weirded out too.

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map digitally, and then also at home to back up.

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and it took me to a totally separate spot I

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was maybe hiking wise, I was maybe twenty five thirty

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minutes west of where I had found these two initial things.

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back into the car, I was like, man, this is crazy.

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I can't explain it, Like, I don't know how I

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was off that far from the course, you know, I

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will say too. As soon as I got back to

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the car, like got in the car, didn't turn the

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car on, just sat there and was totally fine within

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ten or fifteen minutes. It was only when I was

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outside where I was having like these physical, just like

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absolutely terrible feelings someone had mentioned on Miguel's podcast in

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the comments, like radiation sickness or poisoning. I took measurements.

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Absolutely nothing out there that was that was like, I

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wanted to make sure because Walden Springs does have a

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history of munitions manufacturing, and they have a pretty large

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plot of uranium that's buried under this thing called the

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moon or the ecodome, so I always check when I

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go out there. But no readings whatsoever. So that kind

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of debunked that thought there.

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You know, yes, real quick. It also reminds me of

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how people will describe areas around Columbia River Gorge or

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you have these like lava flows a lot of like

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magnetic interference, and I wonder if it's something similar there.

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It just doesn't make sense where the points are not

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where you're expecting them to be. It's it's very very strange.

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Yeah, it's hard for me to explain it, and it's

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even harder to look at the stuff on a computer

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not just on my phone, but look at everything on

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a computer and lay layers in and be like, this

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doesn't add up. It should really, I shouldn't have this

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much of an issue finding two small points where I know, like,

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very directly, this is the direction I walked in. I

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will say this though I have so I always take

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two compasses and they're always isolated from anything magnetic. In

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my gear bag. I have a pretty extensive hit that

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I wear. It kind of makes me look crazy, which

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is okay. I got a lot of intentnas that are

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popping up out of nowhere that are connected to different things.

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So people probably walking that see me are like, why

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is this human CB radio walking around with headphones on

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and staring on off into the woods. It's probably pretty

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comical if you don't know what I'm doing. But that

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being said, I try to isolate those two compasses to

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where they don't pull magnetic interference from the devices. Uh.

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come out to be checked, and they're always in a

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separate hand. And I now, pretty regularly, it's not every time,

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but pretty regularly, one of those compasses rotates three hundred

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and sixty degrees constantly, on its own. I thought it

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was defective. I emailed the company. They said, no, it's

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not defective. Here's a cuepon by another one. So I

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got another one and the same exact thing happens. I

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don't think it's the actual compass itself. I think that

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there's some sort of field manipulation. It's odd though, that

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one does it and the other doesn't. And it's not

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it's the same compass, but it's not all the time.

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Sometimes both of those compasses can be separated by you know,

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multiple feet and on different sides, left side of the body,

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right side of the body, away from gear, close to

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gear whatever. I've tried to like systematically debunk anything that

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could cause this compass to rotate, and I can't do it.

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I Yeah, it's it's very confusing. It's it's hard to like, uh,

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put a finger on what's causing it.

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Absolutely, I mean it's yeah, to hear the things you're

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you're describing. I mean it's definitely pointing in the right

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direction where yeah, there's some activity there. You've got you know,

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weird structures and your physical body being affected different ways.

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You've got the whistles, just some really weird stuff.

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Have you.

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I think I remember you saying last time that you

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had experienced where you were being paralleled in the woods.

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Is that correct?

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Yeah? Yeah, So the first couple of times out there.

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In the previous episode, I talked about this spot that

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basically it's on the Lewis and Clark Trail. There's a

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portion where the trees, I mean they basically just grow

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into a tunnel and had just been like myself alone,

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my son and my mother and her dog. We talked

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about that in the last episode too, same thing getting

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paralleled as we're walking out. It happens a lot. Now

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it's not every time, but you know, yeah, it's and

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it's wild too, like you know, trying to isolate hearing

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with headphones versus like a parabolic microphone or whatever it

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allows you. And I'll say this, these headphones are relatively cheap.

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Anyone can most people should be financially able to get

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a hold of one of these things. If you search

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really hard, you can find them for super cheap, like

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ten fifteen bucks. They're just shooting headphones for you know,

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for firearms practice or whatever. But they work in a

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way that cancels even if you're in the woods and

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you're close to the road. It kills the road noise

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enough to where you can hear much more than you

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can without them, So I'm able to pick up stuff

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pretty far away at this point if I'm just walking,

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because it isolates like the crunch of your feet, like

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you know, if you're walking on gravel, it kills that.

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But yeah, still getting paralleled still still, you know, I

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constantly feel like I'm being followed out there, even if

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I'm just on a trail at this point, like that

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feeling of like there's something off to my right, you know,

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you get like that the hair on the back of

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your head and neck stands up and you're like, okay,

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this is odd. But yeah, I mean it's it's it's

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a pretty regular occurrence out there.

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That's extremely interesting. Has there been any weird I guess,

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you know, as you say, sightings of or occurrences where

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there's some you know, authority presence that that doesn't make

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sense why they're there.

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Yeah. Uh. That's also one of the constants that keeps happening,

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and it's it's escalated within like the past three months,

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it's gotten really bad. So the first couple of times

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out there, I noticed that there was I will say this,

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there's a military base and there's an airport very close.

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But with that being said, there's a helicopter that flies

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relatively low, and it's always when I'm in a certain area.

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It's changed now to where it's circling areas that I'm

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I'm starting to uh go out to that are a

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little more remote that you know, they I don't know

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why they would know that I was there. That's the

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thing that really gets me. So first couple of times

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black helicopter low flying, attributed it to the airport that's closed.

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But being kind of tech savvy, I have a couple

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of ways that I track any type of of you know, aircraft.

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We do this all the time in in UFO research.

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You know. You you basically try to figure out what's

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flying and what it's radio signature is, or whether whether

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it's transponding, or if it's a helicopter, if it's a

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private jet, if it's a private airplane, whatever the case

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may be. Uh So, yeah, I started noticing this happening

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and then I was like, Okay, I need to check this.

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This is this is odd. They should not be here

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at the same time as I am every time. So

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listen for transponder noise, can't find it, can never ever

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get a signal from it, which is super odd because

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they're required to fly and transmit with a transponder, no

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radio signal whatsoever. I have some pretty serious radio equipment

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that allows me to essentially get past all the scrambled stuff.

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The only thing that it has issues with or I

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have issues picking up, is a digital signal. But I

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have some instrumentation that allows me to at least know

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that it's there and find some sort of correlating signal

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number to it. So can't find the helicopter, can't find

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info on it. I've made the calls to the airport

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and said, hey, do you guys have anything flying out

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in this direction at this time on this day, And

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every single time I've called they said no. So it

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started just kind of flying like a grid pattern left

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and right. I know they can see me, because I mean,

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I'm a dude walking in a field and I'm usually

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there from pre dusk, so they if they show up

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earlier or someone sees me, they know I'm at least

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in the area. What it's really interesting, though, is when

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you start branching out and that same helicopter flies where

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you're at, but not where you were the night before.

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Let's say so, it's almost like, as I'm moving through

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Weldon Springs area where August Day bush, I'm starting to

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get interactions with this helicopter, and I have no clue

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how they would know that I was there, unless they're

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running thermal or there's some sort of sensor or whatever

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the case may be. It's just it's hard to say, yeah,

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it's doing this regularly on its own. For this reason,

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I can't find any of any info that would suggest

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that along with the helicopter, I started having a lot

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of unmarked and strategically polate parked and placed suv showing up.

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I walked out of a spot one time and was

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coming up to the parking area, and as I'm walking up,

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there's a black suv a full blackout, like no logos,

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pretty much everything's covered, and there's two gentlemen in blue.

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Keep in mind this is kind of dark. I will

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say this. I was running night vision while coming up

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this trail head, and as soon as I got to

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the trail or the parking lot area, I kind of

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hung back because I saw the truck and then I

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saw these two guys next to my vehicle. The smart

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thing to do is not to walk out and say,

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what are you doing next to my vehicle, It's to

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stay back and see what they do. So they left

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the truck, they got back into their vehicle. The vehicle

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was running, but no lights were on, no tail lights,

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no marketing lights, anything like that. I waited and kind

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of hid because, like I said, I don't want to

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have an interaction with these guys unless I absolutely have to.

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And they pulled off. I waited another maybe ten fifteen

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minutes to see if they would come back, and I

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felt like it was good, went back to the car,

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got in my car, drove off, and within I would

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bet sixty seconds or less, this same suv pulls in

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directly behind me and follows me all the way out

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of the of the nature preserve area or the conservation

459
00:30:44.799 --> 00:30:48.160
area on public roads, all the way onto the highway

460
00:30:48.759 --> 00:30:52.079
and they only peel off maybe four or five miles away,

461
00:30:54.400 --> 00:30:56.240
and they just they just kind of, you know, took

462
00:30:56.279 --> 00:30:58.720
an exit, but they were behind me the entire time.

463
00:30:59.000 --> 00:31:02.240
Didn't get pulled over, no lights, I'm assuming they r

464
00:31:02.279 --> 00:31:08.039
in my plates, but no interaction whatsoever. So it's and

465
00:31:08.119 --> 00:31:13.440
now it's starting to happen more regularly, where a black

466
00:31:13.519 --> 00:31:16.279
vehicle shows up or an unmarked vehicle shows up. I

467
00:31:16.319 --> 00:31:20.359
was in another spot just I think last Wednesday, and

468
00:31:22.680 --> 00:31:25.319
no one else is around. No one saw me drive in.

469
00:31:25.400 --> 00:31:28.720
There's no cameras that that would you know, alert, unless

470
00:31:28.720 --> 00:31:32.359
they're a game camera that's super well hidden, pretty good

471
00:31:32.359 --> 00:31:37.119
at finding those that the electronic signal that they emit

472
00:31:37.359 --> 00:31:39.680
is really easy to pick up if you know how

473
00:31:39.680 --> 00:31:43.079
to do it and you have the right tools. So

474
00:31:43.200 --> 00:31:45.720
no clue why they would why they would drive in.

475
00:31:47.599 --> 00:31:50.759
So like, drive in park, go do my thing, come

476
00:31:50.759 --> 00:31:54.359
back out, and this unmarked police car pulls up. It's

477
00:31:54.480 --> 00:31:58.039
it's an SUV and I'm like, hey, is everything good?

478
00:31:58.079 --> 00:32:00.519
And they're like you need to leave? And I'm like, okay,

479
00:32:00.559 --> 00:32:02.799
can I come back? Am I good to come back

480
00:32:02.839 --> 00:32:05.680
at another time? And they're like, yeah, you can. You

481
00:32:05.759 --> 00:32:09.559
just need to leave right now, not past, not out

482
00:32:09.559 --> 00:32:12.200
there past like what the you know, the designated curfew

483
00:32:12.240 --> 00:32:14.960
for the areas or whatever. But yeah, So now it's

484
00:32:15.000 --> 00:32:18.680
like we're getting this helicopter. Other people that I've taken

485
00:32:18.680 --> 00:32:22.119
out there have also experienced it. And then you know

486
00:32:22.599 --> 00:32:26.160
these boys in blue or the men in black as

487
00:32:26.200 --> 00:32:30.559
we'd like to call them in ufology, are like, hey,

488
00:32:30.599 --> 00:32:34.519
we're your presence is here, our presence is here. We're

489
00:32:34.519 --> 00:32:38.680
potentially watching you. What's the next move? So yeah, that's

490
00:32:39.160 --> 00:32:41.680
sorry to go on that tangent, but it's you know,

491
00:32:41.880 --> 00:32:45.319
it's it's very odd to me to have this type

492
00:32:45.319 --> 00:32:49.720
of interaction, you know, like this.

493
00:32:50.759 --> 00:32:53.240
Oh absolutely, I mean that's some wild stuff. It would

494
00:32:53.240 --> 00:32:57.960
be interesting if you were able to mark points on

495
00:32:58.039 --> 00:33:02.200
a map when or where where these situations and interactions

496
00:33:02.279 --> 00:33:06.160
happened and see if there's any pattern that rised out

497
00:33:06.160 --> 00:33:08.720
of the patterns where they are.

498
00:33:09.960 --> 00:33:12.559
Yeah, that's that's a good idea. Not thought of that,

499
00:33:12.880 --> 00:33:18.680
that's that's actually a really really good idea. Three things recorded.

500
00:33:19.200 --> 00:33:20.960
I was also going to point out for people that

501
00:33:21.000 --> 00:33:24.640
are new, this area does have a weird uh you

502
00:33:24.720 --> 00:33:27.920
kind of alluded to it has a weird uh what's it?

503
00:33:29.680 --> 00:33:33.359
Blankey on the word, It has a weird curfew correct.

504
00:33:34.640 --> 00:33:37.200
Yeah, yeah, so it's like ten or ten thirty, I

505
00:33:37.240 --> 00:33:40.640
can't remember directly PM, and it's a hard out like

506
00:33:41.839 --> 00:33:45.599
I've seen I've been in the car in the parking lot,

507
00:33:46.200 --> 00:33:49.279
just like you know, kind of jotting down notes or

508
00:33:49.400 --> 00:33:52.960
checking checking devices to see if anything was picked up.

509
00:33:53.480 --> 00:33:59.480
And I've seen park rangers or someone's going to say

510
00:33:59.599 --> 00:34:02.240
that's not who picks them up or whatever. Or DNR

511
00:34:02.759 --> 00:34:06.119
someone comes in of authority and will walk into the

512
00:34:06.160 --> 00:34:09.639
trails if there's one or two or three cars left over,

513
00:34:09.800 --> 00:34:13.440
and they they pretty regularly are like, hey, it's sun

514
00:34:13.519 --> 00:34:16.280
up to sundown. You know, it's kind of stritch, go

515
00:34:16.280 --> 00:34:20.079
ahead and get out of here. But it's odd to

516
00:34:20.199 --> 00:34:23.400
be the only one in the parking lot and walking

517
00:34:23.400 --> 00:34:28.599
out before the curfew is over or starts. And these

518
00:34:28.679 --> 00:34:32.320
vehicles that are completely unmarked, they're not DNR, they're not

519
00:34:32.480 --> 00:34:38.199
for a service. They're not there law enforcement of some sort.

520
00:34:38.280 --> 00:34:40.920
But it's hard to tell when there's no markings whatsoever.

521
00:34:41.920 --> 00:34:44.360
It's really odd to have those happen when I'm the

522
00:34:44.400 --> 00:34:47.280
only person there, you know, or I'm the only person

523
00:34:47.320 --> 00:34:50.519
in the area. Because the area kind of does cool

524
00:34:50.599 --> 00:34:55.039
off after like nine pm, there's not a lot of traffic.

525
00:34:57.800 --> 00:35:02.519
That is extremely interesting. Have you brought other bigfoot researchers

526
00:35:02.800 --> 00:35:06.039
to this area as well, or are these just random

527
00:35:06.119 --> 00:35:08.559
friends that you're bringing When you said that you're bringing

528
00:35:08.599 --> 00:35:10.199
other people in here as well.

529
00:35:10.280 --> 00:35:17.039
Sometimes yeah, so so no researchers. Currently, there's a couple

530
00:35:17.119 --> 00:35:22.119
plans to pull people out there, but I mean, everybody's

531
00:35:22.119 --> 00:35:27.480
schedules crazy, and I'm going so frequently. Like most people

532
00:35:27.480 --> 00:35:29.519
are like, dude, there's no way, Like I don't you know,

533
00:35:30.239 --> 00:35:32.639
you're like twenty minutes away from this spot. I'm an

534
00:35:32.679 --> 00:35:34.599
hour and a half away. The goal is to take

535
00:35:34.639 --> 00:35:37.760
more people. I will say this too, if you live

536
00:35:37.800 --> 00:35:42.679
in the area and you want to go and look around,

537
00:35:42.840 --> 00:35:45.760
or you know, like if you if people have questions,

538
00:35:45.800 --> 00:35:47.639
like they can get a hold of me pretty easily.

539
00:35:49.119 --> 00:35:52.920
I at this point now, it's like the activity is

540
00:35:52.920 --> 00:35:56.239
so crazy. I can't do all the spots on my own.

541
00:35:56.360 --> 00:35:59.199
It's better to have other people come in. And I

542
00:35:59.239 --> 00:36:02.639
am totally I know this is like the exact opposite

543
00:36:02.639 --> 00:36:05.559
of what everybody else does, but I am totally willing

544
00:36:05.599 --> 00:36:09.440
to take people out there and point them in locations,

545
00:36:09.480 --> 00:36:12.440
you know, to an extent, guide them in and say, hey,

546
00:36:12.440 --> 00:36:15.400
look like this is what we're we're I'm finding here,

547
00:36:15.519 --> 00:36:19.840
this is what I'm picking up here. So yeah, not currently,

548
00:36:19.960 --> 00:36:22.559
I'm taking a couple of friends out there. They've all

549
00:36:22.639 --> 00:36:26.039
had really crazy stuff happen too, and some of them

550
00:36:26.079 --> 00:36:28.719
are like, we're not going, it's not even worth going

551
00:36:28.719 --> 00:36:33.000
because it's too weird or too scary. But the goal is, yes,

552
00:36:33.079 --> 00:36:35.519
to bring more researchers out.

553
00:36:35.440 --> 00:36:40.719
That way, that's fantastic. And if it's the same email address,

554
00:36:40.719 --> 00:36:43.599
I'll have that email address where people can contact you

555
00:36:43.639 --> 00:36:46.719
in the show notes or the description on YouTube, that's

556
00:36:46.719 --> 00:36:47.199
all right.

557
00:36:47.519 --> 00:36:51.320
Yeah, yeah, I actually so that the easiest way. Now,

558
00:36:51.360 --> 00:36:54.800
I kind of had to go official, as a semi official,

559
00:36:56.119 --> 00:37:02.079
like the serious, most unserious researcher possible. So I started.

560
00:37:02.199 --> 00:37:06.840
I started what's called uh the North American Research Center

561
00:37:07.400 --> 00:37:11.480
of Peraufology. I consider myself a peri ufologist. I think

562
00:37:11.559 --> 00:37:15.920
all of this stuff is intertwined. And that term comes

563
00:37:15.920 --> 00:37:21.679
from essentially two guys in historically in UFO research that

564
00:37:22.480 --> 00:37:26.079
have a lot I think there their stuff is directly

565
00:37:26.119 --> 00:37:31.039
on track. So yeah, working on you know, a YouTube

566
00:37:31.119 --> 00:37:34.480
channel and social media and a website at this point,

567
00:37:34.519 --> 00:37:37.400
but I can I'll give you the email that so

568
00:37:37.480 --> 00:37:41.159
people can can contact me and you just drop that

569
00:37:41.199 --> 00:37:43.760
in the show notes. That's pretty like I said, it's

570
00:37:43.800 --> 00:37:45.199
pretty much an open invite.

571
00:37:45.360 --> 00:37:48.920
That's fantastic news. I definitely will will do that for sure.

572
00:37:49.440 --> 00:37:53.039
You also had mentioned that since we last talked, it

573
00:37:53.079 --> 00:37:57.320
sounds like you've started to go on BFRO expeditions and

574
00:37:57.360 --> 00:38:00.840
I know that, you know, some people might be aware

575
00:38:00.880 --> 00:38:02.679
that when you do go on those, there's some things

576
00:38:02.679 --> 00:38:05.360
you can't talk about, some things you can. There's things

577
00:38:05.840 --> 00:38:08.639
you know, NDAs, et cetera. So we want to make

578
00:38:08.639 --> 00:38:11.760
sure we you know, we follow those. But is there

579
00:38:11.800 --> 00:38:15.400
anything that you might be able to share from those

580
00:38:15.960 --> 00:38:17.280
the expedition you were able to.

581
00:38:17.199 --> 00:38:20.880
Go on, Yeah, I can, I can. We can go

582
00:38:20.960 --> 00:38:25.679
over to things. So, yeah, the the NDAs are pretty strict.

583
00:38:26.280 --> 00:38:28.280
They're there in place for a reason. Some of the

584
00:38:28.360 --> 00:38:35.239
locations they're public and if you if you do your research,

585
00:38:35.280 --> 00:38:37.920
you can find them. But it's not on me to

586
00:38:37.960 --> 00:38:41.440
put it out there. So the first one I went

587
00:38:41.480 --> 00:38:44.360
on was just a few months ago, I want to

588
00:38:44.360 --> 00:38:49.360
say it was in April. Uh me going out alone

589
00:38:49.480 --> 00:38:55.280
and researching alone a lot. It's odd. It's an odd

590
00:38:55.320 --> 00:38:58.840
feeling for me to like step into a group that's

591
00:38:58.880 --> 00:39:03.280
going out and they're multiple people. This expedition had had

592
00:39:03.280 --> 00:39:07.880
a pretty sizeable number of people that that were on it.

593
00:39:09.159 --> 00:39:13.960
But yeah, so first night went pulled in really late

594
00:39:14.000 --> 00:39:16.639
to the camp. I was pretty far away from Saint Louis,

595
00:39:17.679 --> 00:39:19.920
kind of got there at the tail end of the evening.

596
00:39:21.039 --> 00:39:26.320
Talked to to uh the wonderful director. She's she's in charge.

597
00:39:26.360 --> 00:39:29.800
She she was like, hey, yeah, whatever you want to do,

598
00:39:30.960 --> 00:39:34.480
you can camp here. You know, we'll go out tomorrow.

599
00:39:34.599 --> 00:39:37.320
Everybody wakes up, we we do whatever. And I said, okay, cool.

600
00:39:37.960 --> 00:39:42.360
Just through like the small conversation we had before everyone

601
00:39:42.400 --> 00:39:45.360
went to sleep, I was like, Hey, look like I

602
00:39:45.840 --> 00:39:49.119
do a lot of stuff that you know, is to

603
00:39:49.199 --> 00:39:51.679
try to get a reaction. I use it a lot,

604
00:39:51.719 --> 00:39:55.599
and and UFO stuff a lot of there's a lot

605
00:39:55.679 --> 00:40:00.440
of ways to make contact. And that's the most depth

606
00:40:00.559 --> 00:40:03.480
I can say about it. But I did pull one.

607
00:40:03.840 --> 00:40:08.280
I let her know. I said, hey, look tonight, at

608
00:40:08.320 --> 00:40:14.000
at one thirty or one forty, one of those one thirty,

609
00:40:14.239 --> 00:40:18.199
I'm gonna try to use something that I use regularly

610
00:40:18.320 --> 00:40:21.400
to see if I can, you know, maybe get a reaction.

611
00:40:21.639 --> 00:40:24.880
So everyone went to bed. I stayed up. I'm I'm

612
00:40:24.960 --> 00:40:30.800
like essentially nocturnal. I'm I'm up at night all the time.

613
00:40:31.159 --> 00:40:33.239
It's kind of a curse but also great at the

614
00:40:33.239 --> 00:40:36.239
same time. So one thirty hits goes, I go out,

615
00:40:36.320 --> 00:40:39.920
I walk away from the camp. I do this thing

616
00:40:40.000 --> 00:40:42.639
called a telephone. We talked about talked about it on

617
00:40:42.679 --> 00:40:46.519
the last episode. I won't go into details. It's not

618
00:40:46.639 --> 00:40:50.400
for everyone, I will say personally, for me, it does

619
00:40:50.559 --> 00:40:57.679
a lot. The reaction to it is almost always very,

620
00:40:58.000 --> 00:41:01.519
very large. So I make this quote unquote phone call

621
00:41:01.760 --> 00:41:07.559
with the telephone. About ten minutes goes by nothing, and

622
00:41:07.599 --> 00:41:12.000
then out of nowhere. I'm laying in my in my

623
00:41:12.119 --> 00:41:14.920
cot just kind of hanging out waiting and listening, and

624
00:41:15.000 --> 00:41:22.280
I start hearing two It almost sounded like two bobcats fighting, right,

625
00:41:22.440 --> 00:41:28.239
but it's really really close, like within fifty feet of me,

626
00:41:28.840 --> 00:41:32.079
so it's super super loud. I'm like, what's going on?

627
00:41:32.119 --> 00:41:35.000
This is really crazy. There's another gentleman that's part close

628
00:41:35.039 --> 00:41:37.800
to me in his tent. He hears it as well.

629
00:41:38.280 --> 00:41:40.800
We both kind of get out of our sleeping quarters,

630
00:41:41.360 --> 00:41:45.119
and you know, our shining flashlights. We can't see anything.

631
00:41:45.280 --> 00:41:49.239
There's like absolutely nothing around, and these sounds are like

632
00:41:50.159 --> 00:41:53.079
insanely loud. Like I was concerned that it was going

633
00:41:53.159 --> 00:41:57.760
to boil over into camp and just wake everybody up.

634
00:41:57.840 --> 00:42:01.960
So we're out there. No, we can't see anything. I'm like,

635
00:42:02.000 --> 00:42:04.400
do you see anything. He's like no, I'm looking. He

636
00:42:04.519 --> 00:42:08.800
has flear and night vision, no heat signature, no nothing

637
00:42:08.880 --> 00:42:13.119
showing up on night vision. I'm like, man, this is crazy. Okay,

638
00:42:13.159 --> 00:42:16.079
this is like, you know, maybe this worked. Prior to that,

639
00:42:16.239 --> 00:42:18.960
I had heard some stuff in the woods that was

640
00:42:19.239 --> 00:42:21.719
it's on private property, it's across the road from where

641
00:42:21.719 --> 00:42:24.920
we were, and you know, just kind of getting like

642
00:42:25.239 --> 00:42:29.480
these sounds pretty crazy. And then the rest of the

643
00:42:29.599 --> 00:42:34.079
night from essentially you know, one until five am, just

644
00:42:34.239 --> 00:42:38.119
constantly being bombarded with something. I was really close to

645
00:42:38.119 --> 00:42:42.239
where the mess hall in Quotations was and I'm hearing

646
00:42:42.360 --> 00:42:46.679
like the coolers opening and you can hear the squeaky

647
00:42:46.760 --> 00:42:50.960
plastic like ah, you know the hinges, but it's i

648
00:42:50.960 --> 00:42:54.559
mean they're latched, like they're getting unpopped. The latch is

649
00:42:54.599 --> 00:42:57.760
getting popped, the lids are opening as slow as possible.

650
00:42:58.079 --> 00:43:00.400
So it's not you know, a raccoon that's just going

651
00:43:01.519 --> 00:43:04.000
headfirst in trying to get something and run off like

652
00:43:04.039 --> 00:43:07.679
it's deliberately trying to be quiet. It's really close to me.

653
00:43:08.199 --> 00:43:10.840
Looked out, no light, don't see anything hit it with

654
00:43:10.880 --> 00:43:14.320
the light. Nothing either, there's a trailer that they bring

655
00:43:14.360 --> 00:43:16.880
that they pack all their gear into, and it has

656
00:43:16.920 --> 00:43:19.920
a side door and the same thing like the swing

657
00:43:20.000 --> 00:43:24.800
open metal latch and then the door opening just like

658
00:43:25.480 --> 00:43:28.719
as slow as possible to be as quiet as it can,

659
00:43:29.280 --> 00:43:32.800
can't see anything. So that was the entire night it was,

660
00:43:32.920 --> 00:43:36.480
and it was NonStop. By the time I went to bed,

661
00:43:36.519 --> 00:43:40.000
it had to be like five thirty maybe six. Woke

662
00:43:40.079 --> 00:43:45.519
up the next morning and two other researchers, very experienced

663
00:43:45.519 --> 00:43:49.360
and seasoned researchers, found potential prints that maybe were five

664
00:43:49.760 --> 00:43:54.280
hundred yards away from where the mess hall was, and

665
00:43:54.400 --> 00:43:57.280
other people in the camp that had audio recorders were

666
00:43:57.320 --> 00:44:02.119
also picking up these sounds. Without knowing that I had

667
00:44:02.199 --> 00:44:07.639
done anything to try to bring a response in. I

668
00:44:07.719 --> 00:44:11.840
deliberately didn't tell anyone but her because I wanted her

669
00:44:11.880 --> 00:44:14.920
to be able to note the time, like, hey, one

670
00:44:15.079 --> 00:44:17.920
thirty hits, I'm going to do this. We'll see what happens.

671
00:44:17.960 --> 00:44:20.960
And the next morning everybody's coming in with info. So

672
00:44:21.000 --> 00:44:26.000
that was the first night, kind of crazy. The second night,

673
00:44:26.559 --> 00:44:28.960
we go to a different location. She's like, I want

674
00:44:29.000 --> 00:44:30.960
you to do whatever you did the night before. We

675
00:44:31.079 --> 00:44:33.280
had a ton of activity. There's a lot of recorded

676
00:44:33.280 --> 00:44:35.840
evidence of it. She's like, you go out and do

677
00:44:35.920 --> 00:44:39.199
whatever you want to do. One of the things that

678
00:44:39.239 --> 00:44:41.719
I do. As soon as I get to a spot,

679
00:44:42.000 --> 00:44:45.760
I always put my headphones on because I've noticed that

680
00:44:46.000 --> 00:44:49.039
as soon as you shut your car door, you start

681
00:44:49.079 --> 00:44:53.559
hearing like scattering, you start hearing like potential communication. It's

682
00:44:53.559 --> 00:44:57.679
almost like something's paying attention to the vehicles pulling in

683
00:44:58.199 --> 00:45:01.719
and going okay, they're getting out. Let everybody else know.

684
00:45:01.920 --> 00:45:05.239
So I had heard some scuffles like back in the woods,

685
00:45:05.480 --> 00:45:09.000
was like, okay, this is odd. We were by a

686
00:45:09.079 --> 00:45:13.000
river and there's a rock bluff that's like I would say,

687
00:45:13.159 --> 00:45:17.480
like ninety feet tall, pretty tall. We went down by

688
00:45:17.480 --> 00:45:20.360
the river. I listened in the headphones and was getting

689
00:45:20.639 --> 00:45:25.039
very very very faint samurai chatter like the garbled wo

690
00:45:25.079 --> 00:45:28.079
wah wlah blah blah blah. But it was it was

691
00:45:28.239 --> 00:45:33.159
so far away that I could barely hear it. So

692
00:45:33.320 --> 00:45:36.639
I was like, okay, it's it's probably a good time.

693
00:45:36.679 --> 00:45:40.639
Maybe let's try something here. So same thing in quotations

694
00:45:40.679 --> 00:45:43.800
made a phone call separated from a group. There's like

695
00:45:43.880 --> 00:45:48.559
ten people sitting around a fire, no electronics, A couple recorders,

696
00:45:49.519 --> 00:45:52.920
spaced out far away just to pick up ambient, like

697
00:45:53.000 --> 00:45:56.000
you know, if there's a knock or a crunch of

698
00:45:56.039 --> 00:46:00.960
a branch or whatever. Make the phone call and immediately

699
00:46:00.960 --> 00:46:04.480
start hearing a lot of movement off to my right

700
00:46:04.840 --> 00:46:09.119
in uh in my headphones and maybe like sixty seventy

701
00:46:09.199 --> 00:46:14.000
yards away past the tree line. Heard that, waited a

702
00:46:14.000 --> 00:46:17.679
couple seconds, made another call, and I'm looking down the

703
00:46:17.719 --> 00:46:22.920
line and I see two sets of glowing eyes, self illuminated.

704
00:46:23.039 --> 00:46:26.920
There's the only the only light is a small, tiny fire,

705
00:46:27.119 --> 00:46:31.800
like the smallest fire possible, and it's well down the

706
00:46:32.000 --> 00:46:35.360
trail from where I was standing. So I see two

707
00:46:35.480 --> 00:46:39.400
sets of self illumined illuminated eyeshine and they look like

708
00:46:39.440 --> 00:46:42.559
they're doing the classic. I'm peeking out from behind a

709
00:46:42.599 --> 00:46:47.480
tree to see what's going on. So I'm watching the

710
00:46:47.559 --> 00:46:50.159
set and it's like the lower set is maybe four

711
00:46:50.199 --> 00:46:53.000
feet off the ground, and then the second set is

712
00:46:53.119 --> 00:46:56.159
maybe a foot and a half above that, and I'm

713
00:46:56.199 --> 00:46:59.519
watching them blink, and I'm noticing that they keep guarding

714
00:46:59.679 --> 00:47:04.039
in an out from the tree. So I watched that,

715
00:47:05.119 --> 00:47:08.119
did another call. There was another group that had walked

716
00:47:08.119 --> 00:47:10.960
off to try to see if they could find footprints

717
00:47:10.960 --> 00:47:13.559
and stuff. They were on their way back, but they

718
00:47:13.559 --> 00:47:16.639
were still kind of far away, so may in another call,

719
00:47:17.039 --> 00:47:22.880
no reactions. Still seeing the illuminated eyeshine. One went from

720
00:47:23.559 --> 00:47:25.840
let's say six feet up, but like another two and

721
00:47:25.880 --> 00:47:29.119
a half feet, like, you know, way taller than what

722
00:47:29.320 --> 00:47:31.760
it should be, and they're they're large, They're like the

723
00:47:31.840 --> 00:47:36.960
size of I would say, is it a walnut that's green?

724
00:47:37.320 --> 00:47:39.440
And then it turns brown? And it's really gross and

725
00:47:39.480 --> 00:47:43.159
you step on them, like pretty large eyeshine and very

726
00:47:43.320 --> 00:47:47.320
very very tall. So I go get the director and

727
00:47:47.360 --> 00:47:49.719
her cousin. I think it's her cousin. I feel bad

728
00:47:49.719 --> 00:47:51.559
if I'm wrong, I'm sorry. If you're here, if you're

729
00:47:51.559 --> 00:47:54.239
going to listen to this, you know who you are.

730
00:47:55.360 --> 00:47:57.320
I go get them. I say, hey, can you put

731
00:47:57.320 --> 00:47:59.760
these headphones on and just kind of listen around. The

732
00:48:00.000 --> 00:48:04.320
telephone call takes a lot from me physically. It's very

733
00:48:04.440 --> 00:48:07.880
draining because of some stuff that I have to do

734
00:48:08.000 --> 00:48:10.719
with it. So make a phone call. She's got the

735
00:48:10.760 --> 00:48:14.039
headphones on. There may be fifty feet behind me, and

736
00:48:14.079 --> 00:48:19.079
I hear the director go whoa, like really loud. I

737
00:48:19.159 --> 00:48:22.559
turn around and she takes the headphones off and She's like,

738
00:48:22.760 --> 00:48:28.400
I just heard the word boom, but really low vocal

739
00:48:28.559 --> 00:48:35.440
registration and very very loud but not close. So something

740
00:48:35.559 --> 00:48:38.840
in the area. From the best thing that she could describe,

741
00:48:38.960 --> 00:48:43.480
it sounded like a super deep voice saying boom and

742
00:48:43.639 --> 00:48:48.639
drawn out. So that happens, and her, you know, and

743
00:48:48.800 --> 00:48:51.360
Tenna's are going up. She's like, Okay, we've got something here.

744
00:48:51.880 --> 00:48:55.599
The group that had went off to track was on

745
00:48:55.760 --> 00:48:59.519
their way back now, so they're within one hundred yards

746
00:48:59.519 --> 00:49:03.039
from us. As they're walking up, they say, hey, we

747
00:49:03.199 --> 00:49:06.880
just got two really low growls. This group was four guys.

748
00:49:07.199 --> 00:49:10.440
One is an active vity police officer who is a

749
00:49:10.480 --> 00:49:20.280
super killer tracker. He's a serious, serious researcher. The other guy,

750
00:49:20.800 --> 00:49:23.360
the other two guys, there's two guys that I believe

751
00:49:23.400 --> 00:49:27.280
they were both Marines. They're local to the area to

752
00:49:27.320 --> 00:49:30.119
an extent, but I mean, all these guys are like

753
00:49:30.239 --> 00:49:34.480
super credible witnesses and like experiencers. And then the other guy,

754
00:49:34.559 --> 00:49:37.920
he has flear night vision all this stuff with him.

755
00:49:37.920 --> 00:49:41.679
He's constantly checking. So they're hearing growls. We're getting this

756
00:49:41.800 --> 00:49:45.639
like boom sound. And I'm standing there and I start

757
00:49:45.679 --> 00:49:49.440
hearing like movement coming through the trees. So they get

758
00:49:49.480 --> 00:49:51.840
close and they're like, what's going on? And I'm like, hey,

759
00:49:51.840 --> 00:49:54.280
I just did this thing, like just so you guys

760
00:49:54.360 --> 00:49:57.760
kind of know. And as I'm telling them this, we

761
00:49:57.880 --> 00:50:03.320
start hearing like a bulldozer just barreling through the trees

762
00:50:03.400 --> 00:50:06.679
at us. And we're really really isolated at this point,

763
00:50:06.719 --> 00:50:09.760
like there's a road out, but that road out is

764
00:50:09.840 --> 00:50:12.599
not a short drive, and it's certainly not a short

765
00:50:12.639 --> 00:50:17.000
walk or run. We're all standing essentially in a row

766
00:50:17.079 --> 00:50:19.400
looking into the woods at this point, and whatever it

767
00:50:19.480 --> 00:50:25.000
is is just like like beelining it straight towards us,

768
00:50:25.039 --> 00:50:27.880
and it sounds, like I'm not kidding, like a bulldozer

769
00:50:28.039 --> 00:50:33.000
just smashing through the trees. We hear two smaller movements

770
00:50:33.000 --> 00:50:36.000
off to the left, which turned out to be Armadillo's.

771
00:50:36.519 --> 00:50:42.199
Whatever this huge, crazy sound was. It stopped just past

772
00:50:42.320 --> 00:50:46.199
the tree line, and we couldn't see anything. There's no

773
00:50:46.480 --> 00:50:50.480
there's no underbrush burning. It's really really thick. It's hard

774
00:50:50.519 --> 00:50:52.719
to walk into that portion of the woods just because

775
00:50:52.760 --> 00:50:56.920
of how dense it is. And everybody's paying attention at

776
00:50:56.920 --> 00:50:59.480
this point because it's so loud. We're like, what what

777
00:50:59.639 --> 00:51:02.320
is going on on? We hit it with white light,

778
00:51:02.400 --> 00:51:04.119
we hit it with green light, we hit it with

779
00:51:04.199 --> 00:51:09.400
red light. We had thermal flear and night vision. Two

780
00:51:09.440 --> 00:51:13.519
of those are basically the same thing, and no one

781
00:51:13.679 --> 00:51:18.159
was picking up anything. The only evidence we have were

782
00:51:18.199 --> 00:51:21.480
the eyewitnesses that were right there and then the recordings

783
00:51:21.880 --> 00:51:26.280
from two recorders that picked these things up like very

784
00:51:26.480 --> 00:51:30.280
very clearly. That was the second night, and that was

785
00:51:30.320 --> 00:51:32.960
the first thing of the second night. I don't know,

786
00:51:33.039 --> 00:51:34.559
if you have questions, let me know.

787
00:51:36.199 --> 00:51:41.599
That sounds well. I mean, so we have to We

788
00:51:41.639 --> 00:51:44.360
don't know exactly what it is that was done, but

789
00:51:44.559 --> 00:51:50.000
it sounds like the response was pretty pretty unique for

790
00:51:50.239 --> 00:51:52.039
a BFRO expedition.

791
00:51:54.000 --> 00:51:57.960
Yeah, yeah, definitely. And I mean, like I said, I

792
00:51:58.159 --> 00:52:01.239
don't want to go into details on this instrument that

793
00:52:01.320 --> 00:52:04.960
I use. There's a lot of stuff that can happen

794
00:52:05.000 --> 00:52:10.760
with it that's not exactly the most invited. It took

795
00:52:10.800 --> 00:52:15.119
me a good five years to learn how to use

796
00:52:15.199 --> 00:52:21.440
this thing correctly, and that was with guidance from we'll

797
00:52:21.480 --> 00:52:25.360
just say two tribe members very fortunate to be connected

798
00:52:25.360 --> 00:52:27.280
to a lot of people all over the world from

799
00:52:27.480 --> 00:52:31.400
very different walks of life. These two guys said, hey,

800
00:52:31.559 --> 00:52:33.239
you should try this in some of your stuff and

801
00:52:33.280 --> 00:52:37.119
see what happens. But here's the deal, Like we'll make

802
00:52:37.159 --> 00:52:39.239
the first one for you. If you lose it, it's

803
00:52:39.360 --> 00:52:41.559
very bad luck. Don't lose it. I lost it and

804
00:52:41.679 --> 00:52:47.079
have had pretty bad luck since that's a whole nother episode.

805
00:52:47.199 --> 00:52:50.000
But this thing, I mean, like I said, every single

806
00:52:50.039 --> 00:52:52.920
time I use it, and the you know, the training

807
00:52:52.920 --> 00:52:56.599
that went into it, the response from a lot of

808
00:52:56.639 --> 00:53:01.679
different things is always very very high and very very

809
00:53:01.800 --> 00:53:05.719
very directly pointed. It's not like a residual response for

810
00:53:05.800 --> 00:53:08.760
something else else. It's like, if I go out and

811
00:53:08.840 --> 00:53:12.719
use this thing, whatever's picking it up and responding knows

812
00:53:12.760 --> 00:53:15.639
the intent, knows what I'm doing, knows what I'm using

813
00:53:15.679 --> 00:53:20.320
to an extent, and it's kind of like, you know,

814
00:53:20.400 --> 00:53:24.719
they're like, okay, we've heard this before. We'll come see

815
00:53:24.760 --> 00:53:27.679
what's going on. So yeah, this stuff, as far as

816
00:53:27.679 --> 00:53:30.840
I know, they've never had a reaction like this in

817
00:53:30.880 --> 00:53:37.719
the BFRO. On an expedition that same night, we went

818
00:53:37.760 --> 00:53:40.679
to another location that was kind of close just to

819
00:53:40.800 --> 00:53:43.039
kind of and it's a hot spot. We were like, Okay,

820
00:53:43.079 --> 00:53:46.760
this area is pretty pretty near where we are, let's

821
00:53:46.800 --> 00:53:50.000
just go check it out. I do the same thing

822
00:53:50.239 --> 00:53:53.280
isolated from the rest of the group, and within ten

823
00:53:53.360 --> 00:53:59.880
minutes we get a very odd light that's just kind

824
00:53:59.880 --> 00:54:08.400
of floating above a set of trees. Right. So everybody's

825
00:54:08.480 --> 00:54:13.280
like watching this thing and we start. They're looking at

826
00:54:13.280 --> 00:54:15.519
me because they're like, you're the UFO guy. What is this?

827
00:54:16.159 --> 00:54:21.159
So the scientific mind goes, Okay, what's this light, what's

828
00:54:21.199 --> 00:54:24.559
causing it, where's the source? How do we, you know,

829
00:54:24.679 --> 00:54:26.880
debunk it to where we know for a fact that

830
00:54:26.920 --> 00:54:32.280
it's a stationary light that is man made and just

831
00:54:33.039 --> 00:54:36.920
beaming through in an odd angle or whatever. So I

832
00:54:36.960 --> 00:54:40.559
start going through the checklist and I'm noticing that this

833
00:54:40.639 --> 00:54:45.559
thing is moving around and it's not moving a couple inches.

834
00:54:45.679 --> 00:54:49.559
It's moving feet left to the right, up, down, It's

835
00:54:50.119 --> 00:54:54.920
getting much brighter. So we start pointing lights at it,

836
00:54:54.960 --> 00:54:58.719
which is a thing that happens in UFO research. We

837
00:54:58.800 --> 00:55:01.360
hit it with two green lasers. There's a flood light,

838
00:55:01.840 --> 00:55:04.920
some super bright pointed lights, and then a floodlight from

839
00:55:04.960 --> 00:55:07.639
a guy's truck. And every single time we hit this

840
00:55:07.679 --> 00:55:12.760
thing with a light, it reacts, so it moves away

841
00:55:12.800 --> 00:55:17.039
from the light, it gets bimmer, it gets brighter, it

842
00:55:17.079 --> 00:55:20.239
moves up or down or it starts to kind of

843
00:55:20.280 --> 00:55:25.519
wobble in a weird way. At this point, there's about,

844
00:55:25.679 --> 00:55:28.679
I think it was like seventeen people that were standing there,

845
00:55:28.719 --> 00:55:33.360
all watching the same exact thing, this being the you know,

846
00:55:34.119 --> 00:55:38.079
two of these people being the director and this police officer,

847
00:55:38.599 --> 00:55:41.480
and he's like, what is going on. He's like, I've

848
00:55:41.519 --> 00:55:43.360
never seen this stuff. And this dude, I mean, he

849
00:55:43.440 --> 00:55:47.280
researches a lot. He's very very very tied in with

850
00:55:47.400 --> 00:55:51.440
the community, and from what I was told, he's completely

851
00:55:51.480 --> 00:55:54.440
shocked at this point. So the director and him and

852
00:55:54.760 --> 00:55:57.239
a couple other people go off in a truck to

853
00:55:57.320 --> 00:56:00.320
try to find the source of this light. They can't

854
00:56:00.360 --> 00:56:03.840
do it. They can't find it. It's far enough away

855
00:56:03.920 --> 00:56:07.880
to where we wouldn't see a pole below it, like

856
00:56:07.960 --> 00:56:12.800
supporting it, and maybe it's just you know, like moving

857
00:56:12.840 --> 00:56:16.199
the pole back and forth, or it's leaves on a tree,

858
00:56:16.280 --> 00:56:20.280
like disrupting the light. They can't find the source. We're

859
00:56:20.360 --> 00:56:23.760
still sitting there seeing the same exact thing. Another group

860
00:56:23.840 --> 00:56:27.079
goes off in the opposite direction and they're seeing the

861
00:56:27.119 --> 00:56:32.639
same light from a different location about a mile away

862
00:56:32.800 --> 00:56:37.000
right where we are. So there's now three groups that

863
00:56:37.039 --> 00:56:43.480
are experiencing this object from three different locations, and the

864
00:56:43.559 --> 00:56:47.239
general consensus is it's not man made. It's not a

865
00:56:47.320 --> 00:56:50.039
light on a pole, it's not a light in the tree.

866
00:56:50.119 --> 00:56:56.079
It's literally just this ball hovering above this tree set.

867
00:56:56.280 --> 00:57:00.519
So one of the guys that's kind of local to

868
00:57:00.559 --> 00:57:02.199
the area was like, we got to go see what

869
00:57:02.239 --> 00:57:06.559
this thing is. We're standing directly in front of us

870
00:57:06.719 --> 00:57:09.000
is a huge field, like maybe a football field and

871
00:57:09.039 --> 00:57:13.280
a half long. He's like, we gotta go. Everybody's like, no,

872
00:57:13.440 --> 00:57:16.880
don't go. I'm like, I'm we should probably go out

873
00:57:16.880 --> 00:57:19.639
there so I'll never forget this. This is one of

874
00:57:19.639 --> 00:57:22.760
my favorite things that's ever happened on any type of

875
00:57:22.800 --> 00:57:25.800
research thing like this. He looks at me and he's like,

876
00:57:26.119 --> 00:57:28.599
we got to walk out there. Curious mind's gotta know.

877
00:57:29.039 --> 00:57:31.039
And I was like, that's it. That's the we're gun

878
00:57:31.039 --> 00:57:34.800
in it. So him and I go off against everybody

879
00:57:34.800 --> 00:57:38.000
else's better judgment and we walk as close up to

880
00:57:38.039 --> 00:57:42.679
this thing as we can get. Unfortunately, we were stopped

881
00:57:42.719 --> 00:57:47.440
by a property line, fence and private property, but we

882
00:57:47.440 --> 00:57:50.000
were close enough to where this thing's fifty yards from

883
00:57:50.079 --> 00:57:54.760
us and we're just seeing this ball maybe ten feet

884
00:57:54.800 --> 00:57:58.400
above like a hundred foot tree, and this thing is

885
00:57:58.440 --> 00:58:01.199
just moving and we start hitting it with lights and

886
00:58:01.239 --> 00:58:04.000
the same thing. It's just kind of like moving in

887
00:58:04.039 --> 00:58:08.480
and out. It's getting brighter, it's getting dimmer, it's changing

888
00:58:08.800 --> 00:58:12.400
size at this point, so the light seems like when

889
00:58:12.440 --> 00:58:17.360
it's getting brighter, the object is actually growing. And then

890
00:58:17.519 --> 00:58:21.880
going back to a smaller footprint in the sky. Let's

891
00:58:21.880 --> 00:58:25.920
say we watch it for a good ten minutes. We

892
00:58:25.960 --> 00:58:28.199
walk back through this field. This field too, I mean,

893
00:58:28.199 --> 00:58:32.320
the grass is like taller than we are. And at

894
00:58:32.360 --> 00:58:34.679
this point, everybody's been watching it for like an hour

895
00:58:34.719 --> 00:58:37.960
and a half. So it's like, okay, well that was cool.

896
00:58:38.400 --> 00:58:40.239
What do we do next? So we go back to

897
00:58:41.159 --> 00:58:43.280
everybody decides it's time to leave. We go back to

898
00:58:43.360 --> 00:58:52.480
the camp. I got bombarded with the worst fear, and like,

899
00:58:53.800 --> 00:58:56.599
I don't know how to explain how scared I was.

900
00:58:57.039 --> 00:58:59.800
As soon as we got back to the camp, was

901
00:58:59.840 --> 00:59:03.519
totally fine. During both of these other experiences. Have had

902
00:59:03.559 --> 00:59:07.440
many experiences that are close to that one, with a

903
00:59:07.559 --> 00:59:10.679
long list of things that you know, I could go

904
00:59:10.679 --> 00:59:13.840
into detail about, but it takes a lot of time

905
00:59:13.880 --> 00:59:18.360
to explain. So yeah, never really scared in the woods,

906
00:59:18.440 --> 00:59:20.719
not really scared in general. It's it's very hard to

907
00:59:20.719 --> 00:59:25.159
shake me. I go, we go back to the camp,

908
00:59:25.440 --> 00:59:29.440
and I'm just like terrified, Like I see, I feel

909
00:59:29.800 --> 00:59:35.639
legitimately like something is coming to eat me that's much

910
00:59:35.800 --> 00:59:39.679
larger and much stronger than I am, and much scarier

911
00:59:40.199 --> 00:59:44.440
and as mean as possible, just like sheer and total

912
00:59:45.639 --> 00:59:48.039
terror is the only way that I can explain it.

913
00:59:49.199 --> 00:59:52.320
I had made a comment to her. I was like, hey, like,

914
00:59:52.360 --> 00:59:55.559
I'm feeling pretty off right now. I don't know what

915
00:59:55.599 --> 00:59:58.039
it is. I just want you to know. So she

916
00:59:58.159 --> 01:00:00.480
took note kind of kind of you know, said okay,

917
01:00:00.559 --> 01:00:04.360
we'll check make sure you're here later on. And this

918
01:00:04.480 --> 01:00:08.440
feeling was all night long. We got back to the

919
01:00:08.480 --> 01:00:12.000
camp at about I want to say, one am. At

920
01:00:12.039 --> 01:00:14.880
that point, I didn't go to bed until the next

921
01:00:14.920 --> 01:00:18.400
morning at seven am. Is finally around the time that

922
01:00:18.480 --> 01:00:22.679
I fell asleep because I was just absolutely terrified. I'm

923
01:00:22.719 --> 01:00:25.840
hearing stuff moving in the tree line, like I feel

924
01:00:25.880 --> 01:00:29.000
like something's all around me, just like bombarding me with

925
01:00:29.079 --> 01:00:33.719
like terror. It was so bad that I put a

926
01:00:33.840 --> 01:00:39.000
white light on my truck that's magnetic, and that thing

927
01:00:39.079 --> 01:00:41.360
stayed on the entire time because that was like the

928
01:00:41.400 --> 01:00:43.679
only thing that I could do that I thought to

929
01:00:43.800 --> 01:00:46.840
keep something from just like popping out and grabbing me.

930
01:00:48.119 --> 01:00:51.199
So yeah, that was the second thing that happened that night,

931
01:00:51.599 --> 01:00:54.159
and then me just being like in my own personal

932
01:00:54.840 --> 01:00:57.719
horror movie for the rest of the evening while everyone

933
01:00:57.719 --> 01:01:02.239
else is completely fine. I will say, cause and effect

934
01:01:02.920 --> 01:01:06.239
is definitely a thing for that. So whatever I did

935
01:01:06.440 --> 01:01:10.280
was like, you're a jerk. Now we get to mess

936
01:01:10.360 --> 01:01:14.079
with you, or you you made contact with us, we

937
01:01:14.159 --> 01:01:17.159
are going to contact with you and see how it goes.

938
01:01:17.239 --> 01:01:19.679
So yeah, that was That was the first two nights

939
01:01:19.719 --> 01:01:23.599
on the expedition. And this is the first BFRO expedition

940
01:01:23.760 --> 01:01:24.639
I've ever went on.

941
01:01:25.480 --> 01:01:30.599
My goodness, that's uh, that's some really really intense stuff.

942
01:01:30.679 --> 01:01:34.000
And so I'm just gonna ask questions.

943
01:01:33.639 --> 01:01:36.400
And you can you can, yeah, go ahead, now.

944
01:01:36.960 --> 01:01:41.239
Decline to answer because you're the one that would potentially

945
01:01:41.239 --> 01:01:47.719
get in trouble. So at the end of the expedition,

946
01:01:49.639 --> 01:01:53.679
what was there did they Was there a discussion like, hey,

947
01:01:53.719 --> 01:01:56.440
we shouldn't do this again, or maybe this is awesome

948
01:01:56.559 --> 01:01:59.400
for more people to start doing.

949
01:02:01.480 --> 01:02:06.800
The general consensus was if I'm there, we'll run it

950
01:02:06.880 --> 01:02:10.280
like we did. If I'm not there. They're not comfortable

951
01:02:10.559 --> 01:02:14.800
with doing the same thing. I tried to explain to them.

952
01:02:15.760 --> 01:02:18.679
I didn't explain directly to the entire group because I

953
01:02:18.719 --> 01:02:23.320
don't want everyone to know what I'm doing, partially because

954
01:02:23.400 --> 01:02:26.800
I don't want someone to take a method of mind

955
01:02:27.000 --> 01:02:30.719
but do it wrong and have the wrong reaction. And

956
01:02:31.639 --> 01:02:35.159
just so we're very clear, that is a very large possibility.

957
01:02:36.039 --> 01:02:40.559
I'm super cryptic or like very very vague in many

958
01:02:40.559 --> 01:02:42.679
many ways when it comes to stuff like this, but

959
01:02:42.760 --> 01:02:46.079
it's because I don't want someone hearing an interview or

960
01:02:46.880 --> 01:02:49.400
hearing about it and going I can do that and

961
01:02:49.440 --> 01:02:53.400
then something spooky comes knocking on their door and they're like,

962
01:02:53.400 --> 01:02:56.400
holy crap, it's that guy's fault. So the general consistent

963
01:02:56.679 --> 01:03:02.039
consensus was, if you're here, we're going to do this again. Uh,

964
01:03:02.119 --> 01:03:04.360
if you're not, we'll just we'll just do what we

965
01:03:04.440 --> 01:03:05.079
normally do.

966
01:03:08.960 --> 01:03:11.800
But you being the one who does it, you're the

967
01:03:11.840 --> 01:03:16.480
one who had to deal with the the side effects.

968
01:03:18.320 --> 01:03:23.760
Yeah. Yeah, and that's I will say too. I, like

969
01:03:23.800 --> 01:03:25.440
I said, I've had a lot of stuff that I've

970
01:03:25.440 --> 01:03:31.960
experienced that's pretty crazy. Uh, not clinically crazy or diagnosed crazy. Uh,

971
01:03:32.000 --> 01:03:35.519
it just comes with. You know, there's different realms of research,

972
01:03:35.559 --> 01:03:37.480
and there's different realms that you can get into with,

973
01:03:37.760 --> 01:03:43.440
especially in uf upology. In UFO research, my my feeling was,

974
01:03:43.760 --> 01:03:46.639
why not go as crazy or as weird as possible.

975
01:03:46.800 --> 01:03:49.199
I'm only going to live once. I might as well

976
01:03:49.239 --> 01:03:52.760
try to experience everything I possibly can before you know,

977
01:03:53.199 --> 01:03:56.119
I kicked the bucket. And then I feel like I

978
01:03:56.119 --> 01:03:58.559
can say I had a pretty wild life. A lot

979
01:03:58.599 --> 01:04:00.719
of really crazy stuff that I can and explain and

980
01:04:00.760 --> 01:04:03.599
probably will never be able to explain happen. Here's the

981
01:04:03.679 --> 01:04:06.760
data I collected. You can try it someday if you

982
01:04:06.800 --> 01:04:10.320
want or not. So Yeah, Uh, I'm the one that

983
01:04:10.440 --> 01:04:15.559
directly gets I usually get if it's something that's coming

984
01:04:15.599 --> 01:04:19.039
to be like malicious to an extent, I get bombarded

985
01:04:19.079 --> 01:04:23.079
with it. I do do certain things to protect myself

986
01:04:23.079 --> 01:04:26.400
from that. Uh. And it does help a lot, but

987
01:04:27.960 --> 01:04:31.960
it doesn't stop all the interference or all the stuff

988
01:04:31.960 --> 01:04:36.480
that comes in. So short answer, yes, long answer, it's

989
01:04:36.519 --> 01:04:40.800
welcomed because I'm pushing the buttons and something's gonna push

990
01:04:40.960 --> 01:04:43.000
cause and effect. It's going to push those buttons back.

991
01:04:43.800 --> 01:04:46.599
Yeah, It's just it's an interesting pattern that I've started

992
01:04:46.599 --> 01:04:50.840
to notice in I guess also the field of u

993
01:04:52.679 --> 01:04:56.119
ufology besides Bigfoot, and so I'll just kind of rattle

994
01:04:56.159 --> 01:04:59.480
some off. So you've got talk to Chris Ryan Hart

995
01:04:59.559 --> 01:05:05.960
who is is talking about the forty Hurts tuning fork,

996
01:05:06.039 --> 01:05:09.880
which you can listen to the episode for entertainment purposes only.

997
01:05:12.760 --> 01:05:15.719
Let's see, gentlemen, Well, you've got Kombo has always talked

998
01:05:15.760 --> 01:05:21.519
about the show far Horn. That would be also same disclaimer.

999
01:05:21.960 --> 01:05:25.760
You also have in the uphology community, the dog Whistle.

1000
01:05:26.679 --> 01:05:28.599
I believe this has been in the last year where

1001
01:05:28.880 --> 01:05:33.480
they produce some kind of tone and it brings things

1002
01:05:33.519 --> 01:05:38.480
down from the sky. It's just very interesting how maybe

1003
01:05:38.519 --> 01:05:41.400
this has always been happening, but it's something I've noticed

1004
01:05:41.400 --> 01:05:43.280
that more and more people are starting to do these

1005
01:05:43.280 --> 01:05:47.599
things that are getting responses from what it is, We're

1006
01:05:47.639 --> 01:05:51.840
not sure, but it's something that we can't explain and

1007
01:05:53.360 --> 01:05:58.039
very very interesting that it is seeming to happen more

1008
01:05:58.079 --> 01:06:01.800
and more. Yeah, I'm not quite sure.

1009
01:06:03.400 --> 01:06:07.960
So I've I listened to you. You can't see me,

1010
01:06:08.039 --> 01:06:10.440
but I'm smiling ear to ear when the forty hertz

1011
01:06:10.519 --> 01:06:15.079
thing comes up. I listened to that to that episode.

1012
01:06:15.840 --> 01:06:19.119
I've heard him on a couple other interviews as well,

1013
01:06:19.679 --> 01:06:27.519
and my my telephone themes out on the low end

1014
01:06:27.840 --> 01:06:34.639
at a little under forty hurts, but it's really really

1015
01:06:34.639 --> 01:06:39.280
close right there, and it's enough to where after hearing

1016
01:06:39.400 --> 01:06:43.639
his interviews, I'm like, Okay, this is a this is

1017
01:06:43.679 --> 01:06:51.239
a thing like this this tone or this frequency is

1018
01:06:51.239 --> 01:06:58.159
is very key to certain aspects of research. So yeah,

1019
01:06:58.280 --> 01:07:01.320
I'm I'm glad you mentioned him and that forty hurts thing.

1020
01:07:01.840 --> 01:07:04.519
It's been a thing in uthology for a really long time.

1021
01:07:05.159 --> 01:07:10.480
Uh kind of explained in some other ways, but you know,

1022
01:07:10.800 --> 01:07:14.880
that's that's a big one. The Shafar horn. Is that correct?

1023
01:07:14.920 --> 01:07:16.440
Am I saying that correctly? I hope?

1024
01:07:16.480 --> 01:07:19.360
So yeah, I think it's sho far horn, But I'm

1025
01:07:19.400 --> 01:07:22.840
sure different people will say yeah, yeah, yeah.

1026
01:07:22.880 --> 01:07:27.159
So so my only quarrel with that. And this goes

1027
01:07:27.199 --> 01:07:29.400
along with like that, people call it like the Aztec

1028
01:07:29.480 --> 01:07:35.199
death whistle and everything. I I don't discredit people using that,

1029
01:07:35.320 --> 01:07:39.800
and I never will, but I highly highly highly suggest

1030
01:07:39.920 --> 01:07:42.559
and I do this every single time I talk to someone.

1031
01:07:43.280 --> 01:07:48.760
Unless you are trained very directly by whatever tribe or

1032
01:07:49.079 --> 01:07:55.599
religious sect or whatever magic call whatever. If unless you're

1033
01:07:55.639 --> 01:07:59.880
trained directly by someone who knows exactly what that instrument

1034
01:08:00.119 --> 01:08:04.559
or those instruments call or conjure up. Do not do it.

1035
01:08:04.920 --> 01:08:07.280
I see it all the time. People do it in

1036
01:08:07.679 --> 01:08:10.960
ghost hunting, they're starting to do it more in bigfoot research.

1037
01:08:11.039 --> 01:08:15.519
They do it in ufology. And the thing for me

1038
01:08:15.719 --> 01:08:20.720
is it's not you're culturally appropriating, not in a crappy

1039
01:08:20.760 --> 01:08:24.560
way that you're like just unaware, but it's more so

1040
01:08:25.399 --> 01:08:28.159
all of those things were designed for a very very

1041
01:08:28.199 --> 01:08:34.880
strict and very pointed result. Unless you're trained correctly, it's

1042
01:08:35.000 --> 01:08:38.560
really not a good idea. And the reason being is

1043
01:08:38.600 --> 01:08:43.159
because you could have you could conjure or contact or

1044
01:08:43.199 --> 01:08:50.520
call something that you're not supposed to an unwillingly know

1045
01:08:51.359 --> 01:08:54.520
that it's happening just because you made this sound. So

1046
01:08:54.880 --> 01:08:59.279
it's like like any any instrumentation from a tribe or

1047
01:08:59.640 --> 01:09:02.720
or you know, a religious sect, unless you get like

1048
01:09:02.760 --> 01:09:06.560
the full back history, I highly discourage people from doing that.

1049
01:09:07.399 --> 01:09:09.520
It's like walking into an open field in the middle

1050
01:09:09.520 --> 01:09:12.720
of the night and clapping three times or whistling in

1051
01:09:12.760 --> 01:09:18.760
the woods. Native American tales talk about this stuff constantly.

1052
01:09:19.039 --> 01:09:22.279
I mean, at one point, like there's a tribe somewhere

1053
01:09:22.359 --> 01:09:25.239
that said they could walk into a field, clap three times,

1054
01:09:25.279 --> 01:09:29.159
and open a portal. It's the same idea. I really

1055
01:09:29.199 --> 01:09:34.840
discouraged people from using instruments from a religious sector tribe

1056
01:09:35.279 --> 01:09:37.880
just because you have no clue what you're calling forward.

1057
01:09:38.760 --> 01:09:41.479
It's hard to tell people that, and most people aren't receptive.

1058
01:09:42.000 --> 01:09:44.680
But I have seen it. I've told people and I've

1059
01:09:44.680 --> 01:09:47.680
seen them be like, oh crap, I didn't think of that,

1060
01:09:47.760 --> 01:09:53.119
and they immediately stop. I've also physically seen people blow

1061
01:09:54.600 --> 01:09:59.880
different wood instruments or horns and had very direct and

1062
01:10:00.159 --> 01:10:06.279
scary reaction to that one sound almost immediately, and it

1063
01:10:06.399 --> 01:10:08.920
takes a lot to get those things away. We'll just

1064
01:10:09.000 --> 01:10:09.520
leave it at that.

1065
01:10:10.439 --> 01:10:13.880
Yeah, that's that's. Uh, that's some pretty scary stuff. I mean,

1066
01:10:13.920 --> 01:10:18.279
you can imagine whatever that that is. That's you probably

1067
01:10:18.279 --> 01:10:22.119
don't want to deal with that. If there was well,

1068
01:10:22.159 --> 01:10:24.479
let's say the property line wasn't there when you guys

1069
01:10:24.600 --> 01:10:28.359
walked into the field, what would have happened.

1070
01:10:28.840 --> 01:10:34.520
Do you think we would have walked to the tree.

1071
01:10:34.680 --> 01:10:38.199
I would have probably tried to climb the tree at

1072
01:10:38.199 --> 01:10:42.039
this point in my life, like, if there's if there's

1073
01:10:42.119 --> 01:10:45.000
something coming in, like I want to make as much

1074
01:10:45.039 --> 01:10:50.359
contact as possible and that's my personal thing is like,

1075
01:10:50.359 --> 01:10:52.520
like I said, like I might as well go as

1076
01:10:53.279 --> 01:10:55.720
far out as I can to say, hey, look like

1077
01:10:56.319 --> 01:10:58.119
I wanted to do this. I was curious. I had

1078
01:10:58.119 --> 01:11:01.359
an experience as a result of it. It jot it

1079
01:11:01.439 --> 01:11:04.479
down cool, that was sweet. If that if that property

1080
01:11:04.520 --> 01:11:07.039
line wasn't there, this gentleman and I we would have

1081
01:11:07.079 --> 01:11:10.560
walked straight up to the tree, and I would almost

1082
01:11:10.600 --> 01:11:13.600
assume that he would probably have climbed the tree as well.

1083
01:11:14.239 --> 01:11:21.000
What would have potentially happened though, is it's I'm unable

1084
01:11:21.119 --> 01:11:28.439
to answer that because no one knows what these entities

1085
01:11:28.600 --> 01:11:32.880
or beings or or ships or whatever you want to

1086
01:11:32.920 --> 01:11:35.159
call it. No one knows what they're going to do. Ever,

1087
01:11:35.359 --> 01:11:40.520
it's there's not a documented case in ufology where someone's

1088
01:11:40.560 --> 01:11:43.239
had contact with a ship that I know of at least,

1089
01:11:43.399 --> 01:11:46.439
or or a craft and they knew exactly what was

1090
01:11:46.479 --> 01:11:48.720
going to happen. So it's it's really hard. It's almost

1091
01:11:48.720 --> 01:11:52.359
impossible to tell. But we would have definitely walked out

1092
01:11:52.399 --> 01:11:54.920
and probably got as close as possible.

1093
01:11:56.680 --> 01:12:01.680
That's wild. So after doing this, this first BFRORO expedition,

1094
01:12:01.960 --> 01:12:05.039
is this something that you might consider doing again or

1095
01:12:05.079 --> 01:12:07.520
how are your feelings towards that expedition.

1096
01:12:07.640 --> 01:12:12.520
Oh yeah, yeah, one hundred percent. I've I mean, I went,

1097
01:12:12.600 --> 01:12:15.119
I went on another one. I'm I believe I'm signed

1098
01:12:15.159 --> 01:12:19.800
up for a couple more. I'll be at the in

1099
01:12:19.880 --> 01:12:24.119
the l B L I want to say in September

1100
01:12:24.319 --> 01:12:29.520
or October, I can't remember, Eastern Missouri for another BFRORO

1101
01:12:29.640 --> 01:12:34.720
expedition and the the Ozark Mountain Bigfoot Conference. I'll be

1102
01:12:34.840 --> 01:12:39.039
out there just kind of hanging out. And then there's

1103
01:12:39.079 --> 01:12:41.880
another one in Nashville, Indiana, which is really close to

1104
01:12:41.920 --> 01:12:45.159
where I'm from. I'll be out at that one. The

1105
01:12:45.199 --> 01:12:48.359
goal is to go to as much stuff as I can.

1106
01:12:49.600 --> 01:12:53.640
It's really cool for me to come from kind of

1107
01:12:53.680 --> 01:12:57.920
the UFO realm into this and use some of the

1108
01:12:57.960 --> 01:13:03.359
techniques that I've used or developed, and to have reactions

1109
01:13:03.439 --> 01:13:07.720
and not alone with multiple people that can verify. You know.

1110
01:13:08.079 --> 01:13:11.199
The thing is too is like, as I'm going on

1111
01:13:11.239 --> 01:13:14.880
these things, it's just more data to prove. It's it's

1112
01:13:15.000 --> 01:13:20.640
more documentation, it's more it's more eyewitnesses. It's more experiencers

1113
01:13:20.640 --> 01:13:24.680
that are able to say I was right there exactly

1114
01:13:24.760 --> 01:13:29.039
when this happened. I one thousand percent vouch and so

1115
01:13:29.239 --> 01:13:32.079
were these other people, and they'll all do the same thing.

1116
01:13:32.359 --> 01:13:35.840
So yes, the goal is to go I'm full bor

1117
01:13:35.920 --> 01:13:38.600
at this point. Like if I could not work and

1118
01:13:38.880 --> 01:13:43.359
just do research, I would totally do that NonStop. If

1119
01:13:43.359 --> 01:13:45.720
I could go to every conference in the country, I

1120
01:13:45.760 --> 01:13:48.640
would probably that's wild.

1121
01:13:48.720 --> 01:13:51.720
Have you talked to uh have you met Marsha at

1122
01:13:51.720 --> 01:13:52.560
all yet?

1123
01:13:54.079 --> 01:13:54.319
Uh?

1124
01:13:54.359 --> 01:13:57.520
No, that would be really cool. I think you guys

1125
01:13:57.520 --> 01:14:00.239
would have a fun conversation. Marsha would be a fight.

1126
01:14:00.359 --> 01:14:05.199
Where where she located, I don't know. I know that

1127
01:14:05.239 --> 01:14:11.720
she gets to a lot of different expeditions. I think, Uh, yeah,

1128
01:14:11.720 --> 01:14:12.800
I've heard.

1129
01:14:12.640 --> 01:14:17.720
I've heard multiple I've heard multiple people talk about her. Yeah,

1130
01:14:18.119 --> 01:14:21.359
you know, the same thing with the open invite to

1131
01:14:21.479 --> 01:14:25.399
the research area, Like, the more I can collaborate, the

1132
01:14:25.439 --> 01:14:27.680
more info that I can share, and the more techniques

1133
01:14:27.680 --> 01:14:32.439
that I can like you know, help implement or or whatever.

1134
01:14:32.800 --> 01:14:37.079
Like I'm all for having contact with with pretty much anyone.

1135
01:14:37.960 --> 01:14:40.720
All information is good information. Whether it's good or bad,

1136
01:14:41.159 --> 01:14:45.439
it's still propels you know, my research personally to the

1137
01:14:45.560 --> 01:14:49.279
end goal. So yeah, I definitely would be interesting and

1138
01:14:49.880 --> 01:14:51.199
in connecting with her.

1139
01:14:52.319 --> 01:14:56.640
It would be interesting if people if people from the

1140
01:14:56.680 --> 01:15:00.359
area kept going to the expedition area and to see

1141
01:15:00.359 --> 01:15:04.760
if there were like residual effects from what happened during

1142
01:15:04.800 --> 01:15:05.640
that expedition.

1143
01:15:06.800 --> 01:15:11.760
So I will say this the light experience that we had.

1144
01:15:12.920 --> 01:15:15.479
There was another gentleman that lives really close. He went

1145
01:15:15.479 --> 01:15:19.479
out a week later at the same exact spot and

1146
01:15:19.560 --> 01:15:24.159
saw the same light, but not in the same location.

1147
01:15:24.560 --> 01:15:29.640
It was like the same field, but farther back towards

1148
01:15:29.640 --> 01:15:32.880
the hill line. And what's really interesting, this is where

1149
01:15:32.920 --> 01:15:38.159
it got cool for me. So he took everybody's location

1150
01:15:38.319 --> 01:15:42.319
from the first night and plotted those on a map.

1151
01:15:44.880 --> 01:15:47.880
Very interesting to me is the fact that it was

1152
01:15:48.000 --> 01:15:54.079
almost a perfect triangle where everyone was viewing this thing from.

1153
01:15:55.199 --> 01:15:59.239
So he plotted those locations. He went back a week later,

1154
01:16:00.119 --> 01:16:06.279
all the same exact light and plotted his location and

1155
01:16:06.479 --> 01:16:08.520
was like, yeah, it's the same thing. It's just in

1156
01:16:08.600 --> 01:16:12.960
a different area of this field. Same thing, no source, no,

1157
01:16:12.960 --> 01:16:16.960
no light on a pole. No, it wasn't a drone.

1158
01:16:17.039 --> 01:16:19.399
I know what a drone sounds like. I have two drones.

1159
01:16:20.640 --> 01:16:24.359
It wasn't, you know, it wasn't any type of man

1160
01:16:24.439 --> 01:16:28.479
made aircraft. But yeah, so he checked these. I was

1161
01:16:28.560 --> 01:16:32.119
able to go back later in the UFO REALM. We

1162
01:16:32.239 --> 01:16:41.920
use nonlinear radar to check for essentially craft. There are

1163
01:16:41.960 --> 01:16:44.760
these little sensors all over the world at this point,

1164
01:16:45.239 --> 01:16:48.640
and every state has multiple ones of them. The info

1165
01:16:48.760 --> 01:16:50.600
is very easy to find, you just have to know

1166
01:16:50.640 --> 01:16:53.359
exactly where to lark look. I can share some of

1167
01:16:53.399 --> 01:16:56.439
that if you want, but I was able to go

1168
01:16:56.560 --> 01:17:04.399
back later and find all of these sensors picked up

1169
01:17:04.439 --> 01:17:09.920
the same movement on two separate occasions, right where we

1170
01:17:09.920 --> 01:17:15.279
were standing. What's also interesting was, and Miguel just did

1171
01:17:15.319 --> 01:17:20.000
this interview a couple like maybe a month ago where

1172
01:17:20.039 --> 01:17:23.239
we were. There's another spot that's miles away that's a

1173
01:17:23.319 --> 01:17:27.159
family farm where they have pretty regular Bigfoot contact, and

1174
01:17:27.239 --> 01:17:31.880
he interviewed a guy that said, yeah, we had multiple

1175
01:17:31.920 --> 01:17:36.359
cases of like really close contact with bigfoot on our

1176
01:17:36.439 --> 01:17:41.760
farm while the BFRO was doing their expedition miles away.

1177
01:17:42.159 --> 01:17:46.600
What we didn't know was that they there was no

1178
01:17:46.720 --> 01:17:50.199
contact between us and that farm, so the group had

1179
01:17:50.239 --> 01:17:52.520
no clue that that guy was there. All of this

1180
01:17:52.600 --> 01:17:55.800
info came up later on and the guy was like,

1181
01:17:55.960 --> 01:17:57.680
I didn't know that they were there when they were

1182
01:17:57.720 --> 01:18:01.319
doing it, but the timeline was the exact same. So

1183
01:18:01.399 --> 01:18:05.359
now the scientific mind sets. We need basically three points

1184
01:18:05.359 --> 01:18:10.000
to confirm this, and we're at this point, we're at

1185
01:18:10.000 --> 01:18:14.000
like five now, you know, multiple sensors, two separate locations

1186
01:18:14.039 --> 01:18:18.159
having very close to the same experiences, and then other

1187
01:18:18.239 --> 01:18:20.960
people now laying in like, yeah, I had the same

1188
01:18:21.000 --> 01:18:25.079
thing here. So it's really cool to see that.

1189
01:18:25.079 --> 01:18:30.600
That is extremely cool though, That is incredible. You also,

1190
01:18:30.680 --> 01:18:34.399
when we're talking before the interview, you mentioned that you're

1191
01:18:34.439 --> 01:18:40.439
starting to get into creating some prototype technology that might

1192
01:18:40.920 --> 01:18:44.000
go hand in hand with bigfoot research. Is as something

1193
01:18:44.039 --> 01:18:46.319
you can share about as well.

1194
01:18:46.640 --> 01:18:50.199
Yeah, for sure, I won't divulge all the secrets just

1195
01:18:50.239 --> 01:18:52.960
because it is still prototype stage and I want these

1196
01:18:53.000 --> 01:18:58.159
things to be perfect, you know. So Yeah, one of

1197
01:18:58.159 --> 01:19:02.560
the things that I'm working on is everyone talks about cameras,

1198
01:19:02.960 --> 01:19:07.680
you know, trail cams, game cams whatever, like you know, infrared,

1199
01:19:08.359 --> 01:19:13.439
security cameras, all of this stuff. The one thing that

1200
01:19:14.079 --> 01:19:17.319
seems to be a constant is that no matter where

1201
01:19:17.359 --> 01:19:23.000
the camera is, the these creatures or bigfoot sasquatch whatever,

1202
01:19:23.600 --> 01:19:28.920
no immediately so they're either picked and the general consensus

1203
01:19:29.079 --> 01:19:33.880
is they can see ir they can see infrared, which

1204
01:19:33.920 --> 01:19:38.640
makes sense. My thought is, Okay, how do we how

1205
01:19:38.640 --> 01:19:42.960
do we separate the camera from the other stuff, How

1206
01:19:42.960 --> 01:19:48.119
do we separate the batteries that it's it's well documented

1207
01:19:48.159 --> 01:19:51.479
that bears can I think it's the outline and batteries.

1208
01:19:51.760 --> 01:19:54.239
That's why they why they try to eat game cameras,

1209
01:19:54.800 --> 01:19:56.840
because they're like, I want to get this outline. So

1210
01:19:57.520 --> 01:20:00.520
you look at it from a biological standpoint, If can

1211
01:20:00.560 --> 01:20:04.079
smell alkaline in a battery that's in a plastic case

1212
01:20:04.119 --> 01:20:08.079
that's usually sealed from the weather, anything else that's mildly

1213
01:20:08.159 --> 01:20:13.359
intelligent or has extra sensory, like you know, abilities to

1214
01:20:13.880 --> 01:20:16.119
pick up on stuff, they're gonna be able to do

1215
01:20:16.159 --> 01:20:19.039
the same thing. So the thought is we separate the

1216
01:20:19.119 --> 01:20:24.279
camera from every sensor, every battery pack by a long distance,

1217
01:20:24.760 --> 01:20:29.039
but still make it to where that camera will pick

1218
01:20:29.119 --> 01:20:36.079
up whatever those sensors hour are seen or And that's

1219
01:20:36.119 --> 01:20:38.439
where it gets technical. And I don't want to divulge

1220
01:20:38.600 --> 01:20:41.239
the secret because if it works the way that I

1221
01:20:41.319 --> 01:20:46.680
anticipate it working, it's almost full proof. We're doing it

1222
01:20:46.720 --> 01:20:53.119
to where I mean, essentially, I'm isolating everything from the

1223
01:20:53.199 --> 01:20:57.199
elements plus smell like things are getting buried, like trying

1224
01:20:57.920 --> 01:21:05.199
very very hard to get photographic or video evidence of

1225
01:21:05.279 --> 01:21:08.920
something walking through the area but not being able to

1226
01:21:09.079 --> 01:21:13.840
essentially know exactly where that camera is. There's a lot

1227
01:21:13.880 --> 01:21:15.560
of tech that goes into it, and there's a lot

1228
01:21:15.560 --> 01:21:18.239
of trial and error, but if it works the way

1229
01:21:18.239 --> 01:21:20.760
that I hope it will, it could be a very

1230
01:21:20.920 --> 01:21:26.000
large game changer for you know, surveillance to an extent. So, yeah,

1231
01:21:26.000 --> 01:21:30.159
that's that's like one of them working on different ways

1232
01:21:30.199 --> 01:21:35.039
to measure like you know, sound wave of footprints too,

1233
01:21:36.199 --> 01:21:41.039
or or steps essentially UH people use like the uh

1234
01:21:41.920 --> 01:21:45.520
I can't remember what it's called. It's like the song recorder.

1235
01:21:45.960 --> 01:21:48.600
It's like a device that this company makes that's like

1236
01:21:48.640 --> 01:21:55.920
a super precise microphone that listens for whatever you like. Yeah,

1237
01:21:55.960 --> 01:22:00.479
that's it. Yeah, So so taking that but taking a

1238
01:22:00.520 --> 01:22:04.880
microphone that's really really sensitive and then programming the microphone

1239
01:22:05.199 --> 01:22:09.359
to only pick up a specific sound made by a

1240
01:22:09.439 --> 01:22:15.359
specific weight animal in the specific location. So trying to

1241
01:22:15.479 --> 01:22:19.640
like get rid of all the extra stuff that comes

1242
01:22:19.680 --> 01:22:24.079
with electronics and saying, okay, look like we can measure

1243
01:22:24.199 --> 01:22:28.439
in these parameters audibly, why don't we just measure for

1244
01:22:28.520 --> 01:22:33.960
this one thousand pound footprint or footstep in the woods,

1245
01:22:34.000 --> 01:22:39.960
you know that? And then also trying to develop some

1246
01:22:39.960 --> 01:22:44.359
some cost effective and pretty easy to get a hold

1247
01:22:44.359 --> 01:22:49.079
of seismic measurements that measure, you know, between five hundred

1248
01:22:49.119 --> 01:22:51.800
pounds and fifteen hundred pounds. I don't know a single

1249
01:22:51.800 --> 01:22:55.920
thing in Welldn Springs in my area other than maybe

1250
01:22:55.920 --> 01:23:00.319
a bear that would trip a sensor like that. Yeah, so,

1251
01:23:00.640 --> 01:23:03.039
you know. And the other thing too, is trying to

1252
01:23:03.079 --> 01:23:07.119
do all this stuff where it's financially within the means

1253
01:23:07.159 --> 01:23:11.159
of you know, most of the middle class. If if

1254
01:23:11.840 --> 01:23:14.479
if you're buying tech, if you're buying a night vision

1255
01:23:14.479 --> 01:23:17.560
scope that's four thousand dollars, you could potentially buy a

1256
01:23:17.560 --> 01:23:22.479
camera if it works, that takes photos and gets really

1257
01:23:22.520 --> 01:23:25.279
hard evidence for a fraction of that.

1258
01:23:25.840 --> 01:23:28.840
You know, man, that's that's a really good point. I

1259
01:23:29.439 --> 01:23:32.640
bet you could have a really cool conversation with Doug Hycheck.

1260
01:23:32.800 --> 01:23:34.319
I don't know if you've ever talked to him.

1261
01:23:35.399 --> 01:23:39.399
No, I really I really want to. Some of his

1262
01:23:39.479 --> 01:23:42.039
stuff that that I've read and some of the stuff

1263
01:23:42.039 --> 01:23:45.680
that he's implemented is I mean, it's fascinating. My thing too,

1264
01:23:45.800 --> 01:23:50.159
is like you know, collaborative efforts to try to like

1265
01:23:50.239 --> 01:23:54.000
test these things in different areas is really really important.

1266
01:23:54.159 --> 01:24:01.439
But the data collection is the most important and my personally,

1267
01:24:01.479 --> 01:24:05.520
my stuff. Like I've kind of talked about this to

1268
01:24:05.600 --> 01:24:09.600
some other people, like I won't send I won't send

1269
01:24:09.680 --> 01:24:14.600
a photo unless it's encrypted, or unless I know for

1270
01:24:14.680 --> 01:24:20.000
a fact that someone can't steal the photo and wipe it. Uh.

1271
01:24:20.439 --> 01:24:23.720
Technology is wild right now. There's a lot of stuff

1272
01:24:23.720 --> 01:24:26.840
that happens with your cell phone and files being sent

1273
01:24:27.039 --> 01:24:30.359
back and forth, or your computer and files being sent

1274
01:24:30.399 --> 01:24:34.159
back and forth. I personally, all of my photos and

1275
01:24:34.199 --> 01:24:37.560
all of my video they get they get uploaded to

1276
01:24:37.640 --> 01:24:41.680
an air gapped computer that's not connected to a network,

1277
01:24:42.079 --> 01:24:45.920
solely because I have heard horror stories of people having

1278
01:24:46.039 --> 01:24:51.039
like irrefutable evidence video and they they upload it, they

1279
01:24:51.119 --> 01:24:53.239
email it to someone, and then they go to check

1280
01:24:53.279 --> 01:24:56.560
their their camera or not their camera, their computer or

1281
01:24:56.600 --> 01:25:00.079
the file, and the files corrupted. To me, and and

1282
01:25:00.119 --> 01:25:03.600
this is conspiracy, but it's pretty well documented that it's

1283
01:25:03.640 --> 01:25:07.920
happening to me. If you're trying to prove something and

1284
01:25:07.960 --> 01:25:10.720
you put it out there in the open via a network,

1285
01:25:11.279 --> 01:25:14.319
it's not hard to back trace where that came from

1286
01:25:14.439 --> 01:25:19.399
and then backdoor into the computer and erase that file

1287
01:25:19.600 --> 01:25:23.199
or corrupt that file to where it's no longer useful.

1288
01:25:23.359 --> 01:25:26.359
And I've heard this hundreds of times now. So for me,

1289
01:25:26.520 --> 01:25:29.079
I was like, I need an air gap computer that's

1290
01:25:29.119 --> 01:25:31.800
not connected to a network. If I'm going to send

1291
01:25:31.840 --> 01:25:36.000
you photos, You're literally going to get an encrypted SD

1292
01:25:36.159 --> 01:25:39.399
card or a flash drive and that's the only way,

1293
01:25:39.520 --> 01:25:41.439
and we'll know if it gets stopped in the mail.

1294
01:25:42.159 --> 01:25:44.880
It's like there's all these things that have constantly been

1295
01:25:44.880 --> 01:25:48.239
happening tech wise, when people come up with the craziest

1296
01:25:48.279 --> 01:25:51.520
evidence and they're like, the file was corrupted. It was

1297
01:25:51.560 --> 01:25:53.760
fine on my phone, it was fine on my camera,

1298
01:25:53.800 --> 01:25:56.239
it was fine on my laptop. I took it home,

1299
01:25:56.279 --> 01:25:58.520
I sent it to someone and they're all corrupted.

1300
01:26:00.079 --> 01:26:05.720
Goodness too. That's so. Is that like in I'm not

1301
01:26:05.760 --> 01:26:08.399
familiar with that technologies that like in Battlestar galact Co

1302
01:26:08.520 --> 01:26:11.159
when the computers weren't hooked up to the network type deal?

1303
01:26:13.039 --> 01:26:16.720
Pretty much? Yeah? Yeah, So I mean it's it doesn't

1304
01:26:16.760 --> 01:26:19.079
there there's probably a five year old that's in the

1305
01:26:19.199 --> 01:26:22.720
hacking that knows more about computers than I do. That

1306
01:26:22.880 --> 01:26:26.840
could you know, say who knows like some his dad

1307
01:26:27.119 --> 01:26:30.239
works for the FBI or the CIA or the whatever,

1308
01:26:30.279 --> 01:26:32.720
and he's like, hey, buddy, I want you to break

1309
01:26:32.720 --> 01:26:35.119
into this computer and corrupt this file so this guy

1310
01:26:35.119 --> 01:26:38.640
can't prove that UFOs are real or Bigfoot's real, you know,

1311
01:26:38.720 --> 01:26:42.079
I mean, anything's really possible now, and especially with AI too,

1312
01:26:42.399 --> 01:26:45.479
Like I'm starting to see things in the ufology realm

1313
01:26:45.520 --> 01:26:49.800
where there's there's images and they're totally AI. So now

1314
01:26:49.840 --> 01:26:52.840
it's like, oh man, if we have like hard evidence,

1315
01:26:52.960 --> 01:26:55.520
like you have to do everything possible to protect it

1316
01:26:55.640 --> 01:26:59.720
from the wrong people taking it, you know what I mean.

1317
01:27:00.399 --> 01:27:03.439
No, absolutely, have you ever considered, you know how there's

1318
01:27:03.479 --> 01:27:07.000
certain areas in the US where they're known for high strangeness,

1319
01:27:07.039 --> 01:27:10.199
like a lot of it. Have you ever considered taking

1320
01:27:10.600 --> 01:27:16.359
the telephone to areas like that and seeing what?

1321
01:27:16.920 --> 01:27:22.680
Yeah? Yeah, it's that there's this really cool thing called

1322
01:27:22.680 --> 01:27:25.800
the thirty seventh parallel. Yeah, that kind of connects all

1323
01:27:25.920 --> 01:27:31.640
the weird stuff, right. I've followed the line on a

1324
01:27:31.720 --> 01:27:35.880
couple things and that telephone. Like I said, like, the

1325
01:27:36.000 --> 01:27:41.600
response is absolutely crazy. It's almost every single time people

1326
01:27:41.640 --> 01:27:44.399
will probably be like, oh, that's not true or whatever.

1327
01:27:44.520 --> 01:27:49.119
But you know, for me, like if you don't believe it,

1328
01:27:49.239 --> 01:27:51.359
come out and I'll show you and you make your

1329
01:27:51.399 --> 01:27:55.800
own you know, you come to your own decision on

1330
01:27:55.880 --> 01:27:59.239
whether or not the phenomenon is real. But yeah, I've

1331
01:27:59.279 --> 01:28:04.439
taken it to a couple spots on the first BFRO expedition,

1332
01:28:05.319 --> 01:28:08.439
I did it in front of the director and she

1333
01:28:08.640 --> 01:28:13.920
was like, man, that thing completely changes the entire feeling

1334
01:28:14.560 --> 01:28:18.039
of the area. She's She's like, I've never seen this,

1335
01:28:18.159 --> 01:28:20.600
I've never heard of this thing. It's wild that it's

1336
01:28:20.600 --> 01:28:25.640
even doing what it's doing. But you know, having someone

1337
01:28:25.640 --> 01:28:28.680
that that that's that high up in in what most

1338
01:28:28.760 --> 01:28:34.720
people consider like a pretty a pretty substantial organization within

1339
01:28:35.000 --> 01:28:38.359
Bigfoot Research, like having her be like, yeah, that thing

1340
01:28:38.439 --> 01:28:42.159
is legit is really really cool. But yeah, I use

1341
01:28:42.199 --> 01:28:45.640
it constantly. I use it at my house, Like I mean,

1342
01:28:45.680 --> 01:28:49.000
I have stuff that comes in all the time. It's

1343
01:28:49.079 --> 01:28:53.119
just it's just part of contact at this point. You know.

1344
01:28:53.399 --> 01:28:56.000
It's it's cool too, because all hear about a report

1345
01:28:56.079 --> 01:28:59.880
and go out and maybe look at something and be like, oh, yeah,

1346
01:28:59.880 --> 01:29:01.880
this this report was here, I'm going to try it

1347
01:29:02.039 --> 01:29:05.600
and then have a response almost immediately. I think the

1348
01:29:05.680 --> 01:29:09.079
last time last interview, I told you, like, my biggest

1349
01:29:09.079 --> 01:29:12.640
thing is like intent, Like if you go out and

1350
01:29:12.760 --> 01:29:16.039
like you want to have experiences. It all boils down

1351
01:29:16.079 --> 01:29:20.479
to what your intent is. If your intent is to

1352
01:29:20.560 --> 01:29:25.479
capture images of something like, you're probably not going to

1353
01:29:25.520 --> 01:29:28.359
get the best result if you're if you're pure in

1354
01:29:28.399 --> 01:29:32.079
your in your intent and you're like, hey, look like

1355
01:29:32.239 --> 01:29:36.319
I just want to understand more. I want to experience more.

1356
01:29:36.880 --> 01:29:39.600
If you put that out there, who knows, you know,

1357
01:29:39.880 --> 01:29:44.319
I mean there, the world is wild. Pretty much anything

1358
01:29:44.359 --> 01:29:47.960
can happen when your mind is set on something. So

1359
01:29:48.159 --> 01:29:51.720
yes that the telephone, I mean, it's it's wild, Like

1360
01:29:52.319 --> 01:29:56.920
I use it constantly, and it's almost every single spot

1361
01:29:56.960 --> 01:30:00.199
I've ever taken it too. It's like, oh, yep, here

1362
01:30:00.199 --> 01:30:03.479
we go. Like the doors open, the gates open, the

1363
01:30:03.520 --> 01:30:07.319
portal's open, let's see what happens. The second FRO expedition

1364
01:30:07.399 --> 01:30:12.000
I went on very interesting. It was on Native land

1365
01:30:12.399 --> 01:30:15.840
and it did not work there, which was super super

1366
01:30:15.880 --> 01:30:19.319
weird for me. We did have some contact with some stuff,

1367
01:30:19.920 --> 01:30:23.279
a lot with some experiences, but it was very interesting

1368
01:30:23.399 --> 01:30:27.760
that this particular thing that I'm using had essentially no

1369
01:30:27.920 --> 01:30:32.359
effect on Native land and guarded native land that's you know,

1370
01:30:33.560 --> 01:30:37.600
open to the public. But obviously there's a deep connection

1371
01:30:37.760 --> 01:30:40.840
with the earth and you know the flora and fauna,

1372
01:30:40.960 --> 01:30:44.199
so it was really interesting that that happened. But everywhere

1373
01:30:44.239 --> 01:30:46.039
else totally fine.

1374
01:30:46.920 --> 01:30:50.199
It's fascinating stuff. It would be interesting to see where

1375
01:30:51.000 --> 01:30:55.359
this all leads because I'm sure that there are people

1376
01:30:55.439 --> 01:30:59.159
talking in that organization. It will be interesting to see. Yeah,

1377
01:30:59.239 --> 01:31:02.199
who knows what the few will bring in this this

1378
01:31:02.319 --> 01:31:04.880
topic over the next few years. It's it's very cool

1379
01:31:04.920 --> 01:31:09.800
to be falling along with it, but my goodness, you know,

1380
01:31:09.960 --> 01:31:13.800
I leve I want to make sure that you know, well, first,

1381
01:31:13.840 --> 01:31:17.119
we've had a fantastic conversation today, but I want to

1382
01:31:17.159 --> 01:31:20.960
make sure that if there's anything that you want to

1383
01:31:20.960 --> 01:31:25.159
make sure that people are aware of. I know you

1384
01:31:25.159 --> 01:31:28.199
said you're you're starting to get a YouTube channel together,

1385
01:31:29.119 --> 01:31:33.800
things like that, feel free to share there's anything that

1386
01:31:33.880 --> 01:31:35.039
you want to at this time.

1387
01:31:36.479 --> 01:31:40.119
Yeah, you know, like I said earlier on like I'm

1388
01:31:40.520 --> 01:31:46.199
my whole goal is to just keep pushing and keep

1389
01:31:46.640 --> 01:31:51.239
having more and more people, you know, to collaborate with

1390
01:31:51.560 --> 01:31:55.039
or like share info with. I see a lot of

1391
01:31:55.119 --> 01:32:00.760
like back and forth weird bickering in bigfoot research, and

1392
01:32:00.800 --> 01:32:05.199
from an outsider standpoint, essentially it's really really sad like

1393
01:32:05.279 --> 01:32:11.000
people people try to discredit you like from their couch

1394
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in every way possible. Everybody needs to be more accepting.

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01:32:16.399 --> 01:32:19.479
Everybody needs to understand that there are no experts in

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01:32:19.520 --> 01:32:24.159
this field, regardless of what everyone says. And everyone needs

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01:32:24.199 --> 01:32:30.600
to understand too that different people experience different things, sometimes

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01:32:30.640 --> 01:32:34.159
within the same location. This happens a lot in eupology.

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01:32:34.159 --> 01:32:37.439
It's well documented. Two people can be standing right next

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01:32:37.479 --> 01:32:40.920
to each other. One person can see a pill shaped craft,

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01:32:41.359 --> 01:32:44.079
the person to the left of them could see a

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01:32:44.199 --> 01:32:49.640
disc or a black triangle. Everyone's experiences are their own,

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01:32:50.119 --> 01:32:54.399
and they're valid unless they're proven to be hoaxed. So

1404
01:32:55.479 --> 01:32:59.079
stop fighting with each other. It's absolutely ridiculous. It doesn't

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01:32:59.079 --> 01:33:01.680
matter if you don't like one research company or you

1406
01:33:01.680 --> 01:33:06.319
don't like one researcher, whatever it's It makes more sense

1407
01:33:06.319 --> 01:33:09.520
for all of us to come together, correct collectively and say,

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01:33:09.920 --> 01:33:14.279
here's the evidence we have. Let's work together to make

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01:33:15.199 --> 01:33:20.159
irrefutable proof of what's happening to everybody all over the

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01:33:20.199 --> 01:33:24.279
world at this point. You know, my my role, like

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01:33:24.640 --> 01:33:28.720
North American Research Center of Periuthology, like the goal with

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01:33:28.880 --> 01:33:35.000
that was to take all the different types of research

1413
01:33:35.159 --> 01:33:39.439
that you know, from the paranormal to Ufo to Bigfoot

1414
01:33:39.520 --> 01:33:43.399
to whatever, like you know, try to pull from everything

1415
01:33:43.479 --> 01:33:48.600
to try to get an explanation. Jacques Vallet is one

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01:33:48.640 --> 01:33:53.760
of the undisputed kings in ufology research. I mean, this

1417
01:33:53.800 --> 01:33:58.520
guy is literally like the top tier, he very directly said.

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And I fully believe this, and this is part of

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01:34:00.840 --> 01:34:03.920
the reason that I've started this organization and doing this

1420
01:34:04.000 --> 01:34:08.439
research this way, he said, all of it is connected,

1421
01:34:08.520 --> 01:34:11.479
and I fully believe that. I don't think I don't

1422
01:34:11.520 --> 01:34:14.720
think there's any disconnect regardless of whatever it is. I

1423
01:34:14.720 --> 01:34:17.920
think people are gonna go out, people are gonna do research,

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01:34:17.960 --> 01:34:22.079
People are gonna have experiences, and those experiences or those

1425
01:34:22.159 --> 01:34:28.199
things may be specific to that person and totally different

1426
01:34:28.239 --> 01:34:31.680
for someone else. But the goal is to understand where

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01:34:31.720 --> 01:34:36.800
it's all coming from. So doing that, as a you periufologist,

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01:34:36.880 --> 01:34:39.760
I just want to be like, I'm gonna pull from everything,

1429
01:34:39.880 --> 01:34:42.359
like there's no holds bar. At this point. It's twenty

1430
01:34:42.399 --> 01:34:45.000
twenty five. If I if I see a ghost and

1431
01:34:45.319 --> 01:34:49.000
a ufo and a Yawi and chewbacabra at the same

1432
01:34:49.079 --> 01:34:51.279
time and I have enough time to talk to all

1433
01:34:51.279 --> 01:34:53.199
of them, I'm gonna be like, Hey, are you guys

1434
01:34:53.239 --> 01:34:55.600
from the same thing, yes or no. And if they're

1435
01:34:55.600 --> 01:34:58.880
like yeah, we are, We're all the same cool, it's whatever.

1436
01:34:59.279 --> 01:35:03.039
But yeah, just just trying to pull from every way

1437
01:35:03.119 --> 01:35:09.399
possible and every research point possible to get and gather

1438
01:35:09.720 --> 01:35:13.000
definitive proof to share with as many people as I can,

1439
01:35:13.600 --> 01:35:16.840
you know, with the YouTube and everything. The goals not

1440
01:35:16.960 --> 01:35:18.680
really to try to like blow up and make it

1441
01:35:18.720 --> 01:35:23.000
a thing. I'm just gonna upload video. That's the thing,

1442
01:35:23.119 --> 01:35:27.000
like forward camera, rear camera. Not a lot of communication

1443
01:35:27.199 --> 01:35:31.359
for me, like monologue wise, it's gonna be me out

1444
01:35:31.359 --> 01:35:34.359
in the woods on an expedition, not on an expedition,

1445
01:35:35.000 --> 01:35:40.079
you know, static camera stuff. This is the evidence I've gathered.

1446
01:35:40.279 --> 01:35:45.279
Please look through it, watch it and go from there. Yeah,

1447
01:35:45.399 --> 01:35:48.159
that's you know, that's like the basis of all of it.

1448
01:35:49.279 --> 01:35:52.279
I think that's a fantastic idea. I can't wait to

1449
01:35:52.319 --> 01:35:54.960
see where that goes. But LEVI, thank you so much

1450
01:35:55.000 --> 01:35:59.399
for coming on the show again, and we'll definitely be

1451
01:35:59.560 --> 01:36:02.239
in touch regarding what happens in the future.

1452
01:36:03.560 --> 01:36:06.159
Yeah, for sure, for sure. Hopefully, you know, maybe one

1453
01:36:06.239 --> 01:36:10.000
day we can cross paths and I can spooky out

1454
01:36:10.039 --> 01:36:13.840
a little bit with some stuff or whatever. But yeah,

1455
01:36:13.880 --> 01:36:16.880
anybody too. Like, like I said, if you if you're

1456
01:36:16.960 --> 01:36:21.520
interested in contact or questions whatever, I'm an open book.

1457
01:36:21.520 --> 01:36:24.439
There's no reason for me to hide or harbor or

1458
01:36:24.479 --> 01:36:31.359
hold any any info whatsoever. I'll pass the email and

1459
01:36:31.439 --> 01:36:35.159
contact info to you, and you know, if you've got questions,

1460
01:36:35.239 --> 01:36:37.319
get a hold of me. Pretty easy to talk to,

1461
01:36:37.600 --> 01:36:41.079
always down to, you know, share my side.

1462
01:36:41.159 --> 01:36:42.760
Absolutely. Thanks again, Levi.

1463
01:36:44.079 --> 01:36:44.720
Yeah, thank you.

1464
01:36:46.359 --> 01:36:47.680
Just want to take a minute to say thank you

1465
01:36:47.720 --> 01:36:50.319
for listening to this episode of the Big for Society podcast.

1466
01:36:50.479 --> 01:36:53.640
Levi's story isn't just another account of strained structures or

1467
01:36:53.680 --> 01:36:56.279
glowing eyes in the woods. It's a warning that sometimes

1468
01:36:56.279 --> 01:36:59.239
when you try to reach out, something might reach back.

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01:36:59.359 --> 01:37:01.600
So huge thing. Thank you to Levi for returning and

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01:37:01.640 --> 01:37:04.279
sharing what's easily one of the most intense experiences we've

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01:37:04.279 --> 01:37:07.880
ever heard from this area of Missouri. If you've enjoyed

1472
01:37:07.920 --> 01:37:10.399
this conversation, please subscribe to the channel on YouTube, hit

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1474
01:37:12.600 --> 01:37:14.159
and share this one with a friend who's in a

1475
01:37:14.199 --> 01:37:19.279
sasquatch just a weird Missouri mystery. If you're listening to

1476
01:37:19.319 --> 01:37:22.560
the channel on Apple Podcasts or Spotify, make sure to

1477
01:37:22.560 --> 01:37:24.760
follow the show would be grateful if you leave a

1478
01:37:24.800 --> 01:37:27.920
five star positive review. It really helps others find the

1479
01:37:27.960 --> 01:37:30.359
stories that we're sharing there. And hey, if you've ever

1480
01:37:30.359 --> 01:37:33.640
had an encounter, especially in Missouri, Indiana, or anywhere near

1481
01:37:33.640 --> 01:37:36.680
the Ozarks, please email me at Bigfosociety at gmail dot com.

1482
01:37:36.720 --> 01:37:39.199
I'd love to hear your story. Thanks again for being

1483
01:37:39.239 --> 01:37:41.840
part of the Big for Society. Until next time, keep

1484
01:37:41.840 --> 01:37:44.359
your eyes open, trust your gut, and never stop asking

1485
01:37:44.399 --> 01:37:46.399
what else might be out there? And see you in

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01:37:46.439 --> 01:37:46.880
the woods.