"It Grinned at Us as It Walked out of the Orchard"

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in the show notes in Bigfoot Society. I've taken far too much of your

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time so far, so let's get
on with the show. Place with my

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neighbor who was pretty kooky. It
was probably about nineteen eighty eighty six or

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eighty spot up in eighty six,
I guess that's about when it happened.

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Just came over to me out of
the blue and just handed me this book,

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and I want to know if I
believed in Bigfoot. So I thought

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that was pretty interesting. Figure out
who that guy was. Yeah, exactly,

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you were saying that it was an
old Oregon logger that had written that

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pamphlet about how he was had big
Foot on his property or do you remember

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anything about the story that was contained
inside the booklet. One of this one

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of the things that he said in
the booklet, I think it happened.

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It was it had to do with
his his first encounter with bigfoot, and

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said he lived up in the lived
up in the woods somewhere in Oregon,

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and in a travel trailer, and
there were a lot of logging roads up

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there. I know, my wife
and I were thinking about buying a house

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up there in Florence, Oregon,
and I and I know the real estate

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guy took us around and man,
we were we were on dirt roads and

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there's just roads everywhere out there.
You know that they they cut for for

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all these logging operations that they had
going. But anyway, one of the

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things that he was that he talked
about early on in this booklet, and

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it got it got me to thinking
about the size of Sasquatch is that he

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said he was out for some kind
of a little evening stroll down one of

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his logging roads near where he was
staying in his travel trailer, little travel

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trailer, and he said he stopped
to kind of look over the countryside,

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and he and is his eyes were
drawn to this creature that was standing behind

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a stump of a of a large
tree that had been cut down. And

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he said this, this creature was
standing behind the stump, and about he

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could see the He could see the
creature from the top of his head down

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to about I say, about the
middle of his chest, and the rest

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of it was concealed by the stump
in this and so he was looking down

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down hill through this clear cut forest. And uh so he was watching this

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thing, and then he said,
he turned his eyes away, and he

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looked back, and the thing was
gone. So at some some point in

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the in the you know, shortly
after that occurred, maybe the next day

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or something like that, he went
down to that stump where he had seen

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that preacher, and he said he
was himself like sixty two or six three,

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and he stood behind the stump,
and the top of the stump was

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maybe a couple of feet above the
top of his head. So it made

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that sasquatch about eleven or twelve feet
high. And so that's how he kind

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of opened up in the early parts
of this book. And then he somehow

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and I can't remember how it's been
so many It's been almost forty years.

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He made friends with this family of
Sasquatch and they took him, took him

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to what he referred to as the
fifth dimension, and he said he could

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actually look back on people in our
dimension, which is a three dimension,

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third dimension, And he had just
all kinds of things to say that,

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you know, about that kind of
stuff, and it was just it was

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pretty far out stuff. And and
but the guy stood by what he said

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because I called him up on the
phone and asked him who he was,

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and he told me who he was, and I talked to him for about

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an hour, and the guy,
the guy was definitely convincing, but and

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very sincere and didn't sound at all
delusional. But you know, just makes

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you wonder, you know, about
maybe what the extraterrestrial powers of these things

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might be. Do all of them
have these powers? Or is just some

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of them have these powers? It's
you know, who knows. It's just

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you know, something we can talk
about and speculate about. But I don't

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know anybody that has ever ever talked
to me personally about what this old man,

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this whole logger talked to me about. It's very interesting. So,

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listeners, if you know what this
pamphlet is, it's about fifty sixty five

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pages and we're not sure who the
guy's name is. But if you're listening

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and you know what this pamphlet is, let me know. You can email

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me or put it in the YouTube
comments and then I'll let mister Black know

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because I'm sure, I mean,
I would like to know. I'm sure

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he would like to know as well. But that's a very interesting side story

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about something that happened during the eighties. But to let the listeners know.

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So you contacted me, sir quite
a while ago, and we've been going

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back and forth via email about that
you've had an encounter that took place in

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nineteen fifty eight in northern California,
and we finally gotten to the point where

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we're able to chat about it on
the phone and to be able to share.

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So you can share what happened.
But I first want to say thank

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you for coming on the line tonight
to share what happened to you back in

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the fifties. But yeah, I
just the floor is your, sir.

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I grew up in northern California in
a place called Lake County. It's about

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one hundred and twenty miles north of
San Francisco in the in the mountains of

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In the it's in the coastal Mountain
range of California. Lake County is surrounded

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by Napa County on the south,
which everybody knows is you know, heavily

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Wine country, Sonoma County also Wine
Country, Mendocino County pretty much the same

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thing Calouosa County and Glen County and
now Lake County. When I grew up

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in the fifties, was predominantly walnut
orchards, pear orchards, cattle and sheep

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ranches, and there was a large
resort community that surrounded the Clear Lake,

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which is the largest freshwater lake in
California. Lake County was very sparsely populated

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in the fifties that the population of
the county was probably about seventeen thousand,

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and I went to high school in
Kelseyville and graduated from Kelseyville High and my

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senior class only had forty two students
at it. So it just gives you

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an idea how small a community and
how sparsely populated the county was. My

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dad was during World War Two worked
for a mining company in Clear Lake.

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It was a quicksilver mining operation and
they supplied quicksilver, which from that you

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get mercury. And so after World
War two by he bought some a bulldozer

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and a pickup, and he was
clearing land for some wealthy ranchers from southern

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California and they were going to plant
walnut orchards in this very brushy, rugged

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part of Lake County. And when
my father was done clearing off this one

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piece of land, which was about
four hundred acres, they asked him if

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he wouldn't be the general manager and
be in charge of planning it as a

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walnut orchard. So I grew up
on a ranch that was had four hundred

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acres in walnuts, and then it
had about eight hundred acres in open pass

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to your land where we ran cattle. So fast forward to nineteen fifty eight,

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and my brother and I listened to
my dad talk about how he wanted

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to irrigate his orchard twenty four hours
a day. So he hired all these

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people from surrounding counties and cities and
towns, and none of them worked out.

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They were all a bunch of alcoholics, and they drank on the job,

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and they did terrible work, and
so I had to fire them all.

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So my brother and I went to
my dad and said, hey,

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listen, if you want to continue
your irrigation project here where you want to

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irrigate the orchard twenty four hours a
day, we can do that job.

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And my dad thought we were a
little too small to do that. I

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was fourteen, my brother was about
twelve, and we had a friend by

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the name of Jack, who is
deceased, and my brother is now deceased,

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And so we commenced my dad that
we could do the job. And

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so we set up a schedule where
we were moving this irrigation pipe through the

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orchard twenty four hours a day,
and every eight hours we would move the

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irrigation pipe forty feet. So this
one night, it would happened to be

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a Sunday night, and it was
about seven o'clock at night, and we

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had just gotten done moving all this
irrigation pipe and we were driving around the

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orchard where we had moved this.
When I talk about this irrigation pipe,

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it was about two miles of irrigation
pipe. So it was a considerable job

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that took several hours to accomplish.
So anyway, we're driving around the orchards.

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We had all these ranch roads that
kind of dissected the orchard into forty

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acre parcels. So we're driving around, the three of us in this old

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Chevy pickup branch pickup. And as
I came to the end of one field

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and made a right turn and was
driving along, my brother and Jack said

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to me they stopped the pickup because
we see somebody walking in the orchard.

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And there shouldn't have been anybody in
the orchard. Nobody worked on Sunday night

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except my brother and Jack and I. My mom and dad were at home

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across the property about about three quarters
of a mile home in the ranch house.

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And so I slowed to pick up
down and kind of pulled off the

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side of the road and I could
look back in the orchard. We could

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all look back in the orchard about
seventy five or one hundred feet, and

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we could see somebody walking back in
the orchard. We could only see him

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from about the waist down because of
the low hanging limbs and branches of the

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walnut trees. So as soon as
I pulled the truck over and stopped so

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we could get a better look at
what it was back there in the orchard

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that was walking along, whoever it
was, and we couldn't identify it at

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the time, started running as the
through the orchard. So I took off

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and we were kind of paralleling this
thing for a while, and Jack and

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my brother were telling me where this
thing was running. And so it was

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about a quarter mile down to our
barns and our shop, and at that

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point I made a right turn and
the orchard. From that point the road

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was very steep, was about twelve
fourteen to fifteen degree incline, and we

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could they could see this this creature, whatever it was, and they said

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it was pretty good size. It
looked like a pretty good sized man.

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They didn't know what it was running
through the orchard. What we thought it

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was was an escaped convict, like
a trustee that lived in the Department of

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Forestry of firefighting camp, which was
about a mile and a half. As

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the crow would fly from our ranch. There were no fences there were there

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were They had people working there that
were forestry personnel. They kind of kept

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track of these people, but since
there was no there were no fenses,

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these people could wander off. We
thought it was one of those people,

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had escaped and was running through the
orchard. And so anyway, we went

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up. So I drove the truck
up up this ranch road and it's pretty

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steep, and we got there was
an owner's property, an owner's house up

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the halfway up this hill, and
we went about one hundred or two hundred

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yards past that, and we stopped
at a point where we thought we were

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going to intersect with this person that
we thought it must be a person that

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was running through the orchard, so
we stopped the truck. We all got

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out, all three of us got
out, and we're just waiting on the

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side of the road and we're kind
of standing by the right front fender of

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the pickup, and we could hear
this thing coming through the orchard, but

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we couldn't see it because of the
trees, and it sounded like a horse

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running through the orchard. It was
bipedal, but the sound of this thing

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breathing, it sounded just like my
horse. My brother and I both had

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horses, and just sounded like them
when they were breathing heavily. And so

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we just waited there and waited there
until finally we saw what this thing was.

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Is it came out of the it
came out of the orchard, and

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as it came up higher in the
orchard, the soil was not as good

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as soil, and so the trees
were not nearly as big of trees as

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a down lower on them on the
hill. And so when this came out

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of the trees, we could see
that it was about seven to seven and

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a half feet tall, probably in
the neighborhood of five hundred, five hundred

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and fifty pounds or more. And
this thing was clumping along at probably about

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a four foot stride. And it
was it had been running through an area

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that had been pre that had just
been irrigated, so it was very very

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deep in muddy, and then above
that it had been cultivated, about twelve

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or fourteen inches deep. And this
thing was running through that stuff at a

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pretty good pace. And I at
about what I consider about a three to

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four foot stride, which is more
than any man I think could could do

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in that in that heavy mud,
that in that steep grade. And is

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this thing kept getting closer to us. We got a real good look at

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this thing, and this particular creature
is not the kind I listened to other

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podcasts where people describe these sasquatch creatures
as having a shoulder with of up to

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four to five feet. But this
creature wasn't like that. This creature was

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tall seven to seven and a half
feet tall, very heavy, but very

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muscular, but not widen the shoulders
like that. And as this thing got

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closer to us, why it when
it kind of turned to look directly at

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us, it had to kind of
turn its body, didn't Its head looked

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like this. It looked like the
shoulders kind of went from the edge of

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the tip of the shoulders up to
where the ears might be on the skull.

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It just looked like you know what
I would at the time. It

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looked like, you know, some
of the football players that I would see

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on TV. I guess this thing
kind of grinned at us as it came

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closer, didn't show us any teeth, just grinned at us. And it

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never slowed down. It never made
any any threatening gesture toward us. It

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just it had its facial features looked
like that of an Indian, so it

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had a humanoid kind of facial features, was covered in hair, had it

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had a it had a round head, didn't have a conical head, there

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was not a it had a heavy
brow ridge the forehead it the hairline came

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down within maybe an inch or two
of the brow line. Uh. There

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was no hair on his face,
on his neck, and under its ears,

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and and I couldn't even see its
ears. And as this thing came

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up the hill pass us, my
brother and Jack wanted to get back in

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the truck, and they wanted to
get the hell out of there because this

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thing scared them. I have no
idea why I wanted to stick around and

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watch this thing go by. But
once it went by us and continued up

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the hill, we got back in
the truck, and we waited a little

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bit, just maybe a minute or
so, watched this thing as it kept

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going up the hill. And it
didn't have to go much further up the

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hill until it intersected another four way
intersection of our ranch roads. And so

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I started to pick up up,
and I started up the hill. And

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this old forty one Chevy, and
it made a lot of racket. It

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had a straight pipe, no muffler, and this thing we're grinding up the

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we're not talking about a muscle car. Here. This is old forty one

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Chevy with a little stick cylinder,
and were grinding up the hill and this

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thing made a lot of transmission noise. And so when this thing got to

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the creature got to the intersection of
the at the top of the hill where

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these four ranch roads came together,
while it turned and tried to look back

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at where we were coming up the
hill, and in order to do that,

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it had to torque its body completely
around because it didn't seem to be

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able to turn its neck. And
so it went across the intersection that went

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into it kind of entered another section
forty acre section of walnut trees, and

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it kind of crossed that section at
a diagonal and that that part of the

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orchard was pretty flat for a couple
of hundred yards, and then it dropped

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off and what I would think is
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So I had to drive all the
way around on these ranch roads to try

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to keep insight of this thing.
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keep up with it, the more
this thing started to run. And as

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it was running down this hill through
the orchard, I would estimate that it

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was running at about twenty five or
thirty miles an hour, and its stride

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at that point was maybe ten ten
fifteen feet or something like that. And

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when we finally got down to the
hill, this thing crossed the road that

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we were on, never looked at
us, never gave us a glance at

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that point, ran across the road
in front of us, and it ran

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across that road into the property of
a neighbor who also had a walnut or

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they didn't. Nobody lived there at
the time, but they had some barns

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and some equipment sheds, and this
creature ran in between the barns and their

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equipment shed and then ran another one
hundred yards or so, and at the

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at where the walnut orchard met the
brush line and the tree line, this

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thing just charged into the brush and
the brush was maybe fifteen eighteen feet high.

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It just went through that brush like
a bulldozer, never even slowed down.

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And at that point we lost we
lost track of this creature. So

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my brother and Jack and I had
a conversation about whether or not we're going

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to tell my dad about this encounter. And we had lobbied my day add

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pretty hard for about a month to
let us take on this job of moving

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the irrigation bike. We made good
money. He paid us. He paid

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us what he paid those guys that
never showed up or drank on the job

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and did a bad job. He
paid us just as well as he paid

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those guys. And so we didn't
want to lose that job. It was

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a great job. It was better
than doing other jobs on the ranch that

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we didn't like to do. So
we decided that we wouldn't that we wouldn't

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tell my dad, and I failed
to mention that the time of the time

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of the year that this was was
in late July of nineteen fifty eight,

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and the deer season in Lake County
opens up the first Saturday of August every

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year. And so when I started
carrying a Winchester rifle and our ranch truck,

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I just told my dad, I
said, if I see a deer

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out here, you know, while
we're changing pipe and I can get a

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good shot at a deer, you
know, I'll shoot it. And I

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was going to shoot a deer,
but that's not the reason I was carrying

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that rifle, because I was afraid
that thing was going to come back.

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I really, I really didn't know
what it was that I saw. I

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had never heard anybody in my circle
of family or friends. I never heard

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anybody ever talk about a creature that
was over seven feet tall, covered in

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hair, bipedal, you know,
never never heard anything that would even lead

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me to believe. I never heard
the word sasquatch or bigfoot. That never

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had entered my vocabulary. Never anybody
talk about that. And so as we

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continued on through the summer, move
an irrigation pipe and working in the orchard

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at night, we had these headlights
like a They were like a head lantern,

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uh powered by a six folt battery, small sixfolt battery, kind of

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like a miner would wear in a
in a mining tunnel or something. And

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I can tell you that all summer
long, while it was out there in

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the dark, I always felt like
I was being watched. Maybe it was

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just my imagination, but I would
I would sometimes the the the the feeling

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of being washed just was soberpowering that
I would look around with my headlight to

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see my headlamp to see if I
could see if there was anything out there

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watching me. And I never,
I never, I never could never saw

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anything that that was that was out
there in the dark with us, but

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it most certainly spooked us. But
we decided that we weren't going to tell

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my dad because we didn't we thought
that he would think that it might be

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too dangerous for us little guys to
be out there in the dark, and

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so, you know, we didn't
want to lose our job. So anyway,

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fast forward about a year and my
dad. My dad subscribed to a

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publication called True Magazine, and one
of the publications, and I think it

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was nineteen fifty nine, was about
the episode encounter. I guess you will

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have a guy by the name of
Jerry Crewe, and Jerry Crewe was a

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bulldozer operator over in Humboldt County.
I think it's Humboldt County, might be

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county, but anyway, it's up
in what is now a Bigfoot country in

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the Trinity, what's called the Trinity
Alps. It's a very rugged part of

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northern California. It borders the Oregon
California border. And Jerry crew as a

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bulldozer operator. He worked for a
company that had a contract with some logging

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companies to build some logging roads back
in the area surrounding Willow Creek and Willow

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Creek is if you visit there is
certainly steeped in a lot of bigfoot mythology.

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And there's a big redwood tree that's
been carved by somebody with a chainsaw

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into a great big sasquatch. And
there's a museum there, and if you

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go into the restaurant, the menu
is all kinds of full of all kinds

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of bigfoot menu choices, you know. And so anyway, crewe And is

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lived over in the Sacramento Valley area
somewhere. So on the on Friday night

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he would go home, and so
he would when he came back to work

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on Monday to fire up his cat, the bulldozer, and Bill Rhodes he

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started seeing these big barefoot tracks in
the powdery dirt roads that they were,

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you know, the logging roads that
they were building. And so they they

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made I think they made plaster cast
of these footprints. And at some point

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they contacted some people in Eureka,
California, that was it's close by,

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maybe fifty sixty miles away, I
guess, and at the newspaper, the

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local newspaper, and and I think
one of the editors are the editor of

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that newspaper was retired from the Los
Angeles Times. We'll be back with more

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bigfoot society after these words from our
sponsors. And kind of thought that the

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story that Jerry Crew told him about
these big footprints that he saw all over

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the construction site, you know,
and the plaster cast that he brought to

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him, I think, and kind
of dismissed it as a kind of an

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odd story, maybe maybe not too
believable. But then after about a week

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or so or some time went by, he the editor picked up this,

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picked up the story and uh and
then published it, and eventually it made

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its way. That story made its
way through a lot of different newspapers throughout

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California, throughout the night Western United
States, I guess, and eventually it

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ended up in True Magazine. So
my dad had been reading this article about

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all this stuff that Jerry Crewe had
been reporting, and so I saw that

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I saw that, you know what
my dad was reading. So they had

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they had a kind of a sketch
of what this thing look like. And

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when I saw the sketch, then
I knew what I saw. I remembered

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back a year before or so,
and what I saw in True Magazine is

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what I saw on the ranch that
night at Sunday night in the latter part

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of July of fifty eight, and
so I never we still never told my

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dad. So it was maybe a
year or so later, maybe in the

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next year. Why my dad had
gotten contacted by his younger brother. And

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my uncle was the general manager of
a four thousand acre sheep ranch in Sonoma

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County out it was out within I
think it was in about within about eighteen

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or twenty miles of the of the
Pacific coast, and this little town of

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Gualala and some other places out there, very small, very small place.

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Anyway, my uncle had invited my
dad and some other friends of his out

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on the sheep ranch to go wild
hog hunting. So my dad was out

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there for three or four days and
he shot this this big hog is about

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maybe four four one hundred and fifty
pounds, and so he brought home these

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big slabs of pork and each weighed
I don't know, seventy five eighty pounds,

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maybe hundred pounds, I don't know. So he brought these big slabs

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of pork home. I'm not sure
what we were going to do with one

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hundred and fifty two hundred pounds of
pork. But anyway, brought it home

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and at night the first night that
he was home, Why we had these

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on the back of our house.
Farmhouse, we had these big meat hooks

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that my dad had kind of screwed
into the ends of the roof rafters.

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And so when we would kill deer
on the ranch, after we had dressed

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out the deer, we would hang
the deer out at night on the back

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of the house. Well, that's
what he did with these big slabs of

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this wild fog they'd killed. He
hung these big slabs up there on these

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meat hooks. Well, these hooks
were about eleven feet off the ground,

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and my dad was only about five
five eight five eight and a half,

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So in order to hang those those
slabs of pork meat up there, he

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had to get on a step ladder. So the first night he hung the

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things up there, and in the
morning he took them down. They wrapped

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him up in some old bedcloths and
put them in a sleeping bag and put

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them underneath their bed where it was
nice and cool. The following night they'd

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take them out from underneath the bed, take them out of the sleeping bag,

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hang them out at night. So
they planned to do that for about

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three nights. So on the third
night, my dad hangs the meat out

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there, and the following morning,
day four, he goes out there to

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take his his wild hog meat off
the back of the half and it's missing.

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So my dad comes in and I
think my brother and I are sitting

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there eating breakfast or something, and
he asked us, did you do something

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with the with the meat on the
back of the house. Answer is no,

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we couldn't. Even we were just
little guys. We couldn't lift that

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stuff. You know. He got
a let. So anyway, my dad

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told me, he says, go
get He says, I bet the dogs

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got it. I said, Dad, we don't have a single We had

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about four or five dogs. I
said, we don't have any dogs that

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can jump eleven feet. Not even
if they got up on the porch and

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jumped up there, they wouldn't be
able to, I said, and buy

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the you know, and if a
dog were to grab it, or a

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coyote. We had coyotes, no
wolves in Lake County, just coyotes.

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I said, if a coyote got
it, they would just rip it off

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of there and probably try to eat
it right there and just make a great

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big mess. So anyway, he
made Dad asked me to go get all

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the dogs. So I go and
get all We had about four or five

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dogs. So I go get all
the dogs, and I'd bring them around

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there, and that area by the
back steps of our house, near where

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that meat was hanging, those dogs
would not would not come even close to

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that. You could grab them by
their collar, and in order to get

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them over there that area, you'd
have to drag them. And these dogs

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were clearly not willing to even come
anywhere close to the back of that house.

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And there was those dogs made no
sound at night, they didn't usually

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anybody that would come around. They
would bark like crazy. But you know,

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in the summertime, we didn't have
any air conditioning way back in the

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in the late fifties, so we
slept with all the windows open, so

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if the dogs were going to bark, you're going to hear them. And

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so I knew. I was pretty
sure what it was in my mind that

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came and took that meat off the
back of the house. But we still,

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my brother and I never never said
said a word about any of our

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experiences or any of our accounting encounters
with with Bigfoot. About two years ago,

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I located my old friend Jack and
he he had he had liver and

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colon cancer and he was very,
very sick. And I was very sad

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to hear that because I tried,
I finally located located him after all those

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years and tracked him down through friends, and I wanted to talk to him

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about what he remembered on the day
we saw that sasquatch in the orchard,

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and I asked him if he if
he would tell me what his recollection of

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that time was, and he told
me that he said norm he said,

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I'm just too sick, and two
weeks to even try to talk about it.

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And so he died about three weeks
later, four weeks later, and

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I never got to talk to him
about about his experiences on that day when

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my brother and he and I,
you know, saw that creature coming out

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of the orchard. So anyway,
there was there was an episode on another

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podcast and they there was a guy
by the name of Mike Woolley had an

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episode or an encounter, I think
it was up in the state of Washington,

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and so they posted a picture of
what his sasquatch looked like his encounter

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looked like And it was exactly what
I saw. It was the It was

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the face of an This creature had
the face of an Indian. It looked

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like it didn't look like the Indians
from my neck of the woods there in

409
00:39:23.079 --> 00:39:28.199
Lake County or in that part of
the of California. It looked more like

410
00:39:28.920 --> 00:39:35.480
the Indians that you would see in
the plains in the plain in the plain

411
00:39:35.639 --> 00:39:43.480
states Nebraska, you know, Kansas
of South Dakota, Montana, Wyoming,

412
00:39:43.960 --> 00:39:50.199
those kind of those kinds of people, and and so that you know.

413
00:39:50.280 --> 00:39:55.920
And so later when I read about, uh, this lady by the name

414
00:39:55.960 --> 00:40:06.239
of Melbo Ketchum who as has a
DNA lab in Texas, I think she

415
00:40:06.599 --> 00:40:15.800
is herself a veterinarian. And she
claims that from some hair samples and some

416
00:40:15.920 --> 00:40:23.280
other tissue samples that she may have
collected from a dozen or more sources around

417
00:40:23.280 --> 00:40:31.639
the United States, she claims that
the mitochondrial part of the DNA, the

418
00:40:31.679 --> 00:40:40.039
female side of the DNA, showed
a human female, but on the male

419
00:40:40.159 --> 00:40:47.960
side of the DNA it was undetermined. So it got me to thinking about

420
00:40:50.159 --> 00:40:57.639
how closely the sasquatch creatures, some
of them might be to humans to be

421
00:40:57.719 --> 00:41:06.920
able to possibly crossbreed with a huge
with a male sasquatch and a female human.

422
00:41:07.960 --> 00:41:12.039
So it's just there's no proof of
that, I think, other than

423
00:41:12.519 --> 00:41:19.639
what Melba ketcham uh Uh says.
She that she determined through her DNA testing.

424
00:41:20.519 --> 00:41:28.159
And of course she is a very
controversial person because she was not not

425
00:41:28.320 --> 00:41:37.039
successful in getting her study published than
any peer peer to peer group of publication,

426
00:41:38.079 --> 00:41:46.719
and so it it h she she
was criticized very heavily and uh and

427
00:41:46.800 --> 00:41:53.079
so a lot of people. Some
people believe that her DNA testing is accurate,

428
00:41:53.679 --> 00:42:00.360
while other people discount it all together. I know that there are people

429
00:42:01.599 --> 00:42:08.800
like Kathy Strain and her husband Bob. Her husband, Bob, I think,

430
00:42:08.920 --> 00:42:15.559
is a retired firefighter. Kathy Strain
is an anthropologist works for the US

431
00:42:15.679 --> 00:42:23.920
Department of Forestry in near Sonora in
the in the Sierra Nevada Mountains of California.

432
00:42:24.440 --> 00:42:30.639
And she's had encounters with these creatures, as I understand, and you

433
00:42:30.679 --> 00:42:35.159
know, and written a lot of
books where she interviewed a lot of Indian

434
00:42:35.199 --> 00:42:37.760
tribes across the nation. So it
just depends, I guess, on what

435
00:42:38.599 --> 00:42:45.519
Indian tribe that you might talk to
Some of them referred to them as cannibals,

436
00:42:46.039 --> 00:42:52.519
these sasquatch, creators, creators,
creatures. Other talk about these creatures

437
00:42:52.639 --> 00:42:59.760
as people, and so there's a
wide range of and I know that the

438
00:43:00.079 --> 00:43:05.280
the ends up in British Columbia have
a lot of contact with these things as

439
00:43:05.400 --> 00:43:15.559
well, so there it's it's an
interesting it's an interesting situation where we see

440
00:43:15.599 --> 00:43:23.039
these things, people report them,
yet we can find no evidence that the

441
00:43:23.679 --> 00:43:30.519
physical evidence that they exist other than
maybe the hair samples and the scat and

442
00:43:30.559 --> 00:43:40.039
so maybe skin tissue or something that
Melba Catchem came into possession of. But

443
00:43:40.599 --> 00:43:45.639
I know what I saw, you
know what my brother and I saw,

444
00:43:45.280 --> 00:43:53.239
and nobody can convince me that that
creature is not flesh and blood and and

445
00:43:53.800 --> 00:43:59.239
real. Absolutely, mister Black,
That's that's an incredible story. That's my

446
00:43:59.280 --> 00:44:04.000
story that wow, thank you for
sharing. It's a lot to unpack from

447
00:44:04.079 --> 00:44:07.599
that. I do have a few
questions for you in a few minutes,

448
00:44:07.599 --> 00:44:10.800
but it's just there's a few observations
I had from your story. So it's

449
00:44:10.840 --> 00:44:20.159
like, you know, happens back
in you said fifty eight before the Jerry

450
00:44:20.239 --> 00:44:23.280
Crewe incidents, which happened up in
Bluff Creek, which is about five and

451
00:44:23.280 --> 00:44:28.960
a half to six hours north of
where Lake County is, I believe.

452
00:44:29.639 --> 00:44:35.679
And then you were talking about Sonoma
County to the west, that's about maybe

453
00:44:35.719 --> 00:44:39.000
two and a half hours where you
had the issue with the wild hogs.

454
00:44:39.000 --> 00:44:44.920
So that's just so people can picture
that in their minds where all this happened.

455
00:44:45.559 --> 00:44:51.960
But about the creature that you saw
back there in Lake County, do

456
00:44:52.039 --> 00:44:58.880
you remember anything specific about the arms
of the creature at all? This thing

457
00:45:00.360 --> 00:45:06.800
when it when it was walking,
the arms were swinging and and the hands

458
00:45:06.800 --> 00:45:12.360
were down down were the down by
his knees. We'll be back with more

459
00:45:12.360 --> 00:45:22.000
Bigfoot society after these words from our
sponsors. And his knees were not in

460
00:45:22.079 --> 00:45:28.719
the same spot as our knees.
Their knees are lower on their legs.

461
00:45:28.920 --> 00:45:34.119
And when they walk, they don't
walk like we do. And uh,

462
00:45:34.360 --> 00:45:39.199
they they have this kind of kind
of uh. When people walk, you

463
00:45:39.239 --> 00:45:44.760
know, or even if they run, they're bobbing up and down, but

464
00:45:44.920 --> 00:45:49.760
not these creatures. They don't do
that. And uh and if you look

465
00:45:49.920 --> 00:45:57.440
at what uh uh Roger Patterson and
Bob Gimlin saw down in Bluff Creek.

466
00:45:58.679 --> 00:46:06.400
Uh, you know Patty how she
walked. That's how this creature walked,

467
00:46:06.440 --> 00:46:13.039
just kind of glided along. And
unlike Patty, who looked like she had

468
00:46:13.079 --> 00:46:19.119
a pretty bad injury to her right
leg, this creature that we saw look

469
00:46:19.239 --> 00:46:24.079
perfectly healthy to me and was going
through the orchard at a at a pace

470
00:46:24.159 --> 00:46:30.559
that no man could even begin to
keep up with. Was there was the

471
00:46:30.599 --> 00:46:35.639
creature wearing any clothes or no clothes? Was their hair on the body,

472
00:46:36.199 --> 00:46:40.880
any details? I didn't know.
I did notice a San Francisco forty nine

473
00:46:40.960 --> 00:46:46.039
or baseball cap. I'm just kidding, just kidding, you never know,

474
00:46:46.840 --> 00:46:51.280
just kidding, just kidding. I
was a forty nine er fan when I

475
00:46:51.360 --> 00:46:54.159
grew up as a kid. But
no, no clothes, no nothing,

476
00:46:54.599 --> 00:47:01.239
just just hair and uh, you
know it just I could not see its

477
00:47:01.239 --> 00:47:06.480
ears. I don't know if these
things got big ears, little ears,

478
00:47:06.480 --> 00:47:10.519
no ears. I don't know what
they I don't know what they have it.

479
00:47:12.039 --> 00:47:15.119
I noticed. One of the things
I noticed when it when it,

480
00:47:15.320 --> 00:47:21.760
when it grinned, but it didn't
show teeth, is how wide the mouth

481
00:47:22.000 --> 00:47:28.599
was. I mean it it's I
mean it's the the opening for the mouth

482
00:47:29.320 --> 00:47:35.840
is way larger than a human being
and Uh, there was just you know,

483
00:47:35.960 --> 00:47:45.440
there were just when I saw this
picture that was sketched out by I

484
00:47:45.800 --> 00:47:49.239
don't know who who who sketched it
out, but it was on this Mike

485
00:47:49.320 --> 00:47:57.119
Woolley encounter on another podcast. That's
that's what That's what clinched it for me,

486
00:47:57.920 --> 00:48:02.960
you know, when I saw that
PI sure, you know uh in

487
00:48:04.199 --> 00:48:10.599
uh in the I can't remember where
I saw that picture. I guess I

488
00:48:10.679 --> 00:48:15.400
missed. Maybe I saw that on
the on the podcast itself, as I

489
00:48:15.440 --> 00:48:20.559
think that's where I saw that.
But the sketch that I saw in True

490
00:48:20.639 --> 00:48:27.639
magazine, uh, was very similar
to what I saw, but more hair

491
00:48:27.719 --> 00:48:30.599
on the face, but it was
similar enough that I knew that that's what

492
00:48:30.719 --> 00:48:37.840
I had seen that what I saw
was a big foot. Also, after

493
00:48:38.119 --> 00:48:46.480
the the incident in Lake County,
did you ever go back and try to

494
00:48:46.519 --> 00:48:52.119
look to at any of the tracks
that were left close up anything like that?

495
00:48:55.320 --> 00:48:59.599
Well, you know, yeah,
we we tried to. We tried,

496
00:49:00.199 --> 00:49:02.920
we tried to see, you know, what these tracks look like.

497
00:49:04.039 --> 00:49:13.719
But we're talking plowed ground and we're
talking about freshly irrigated soil in the orchard,

498
00:49:13.880 --> 00:49:19.920
and you just you couldn't. It's
just there was just no way to

499
00:49:20.320 --> 00:49:30.239
really get an accurate idea about a
footprint. The foot the footprint, you

500
00:49:30.280 --> 00:49:35.960
know, it was about maybe sixteen
or seventeen inches long, but the shape

501
00:49:36.000 --> 00:49:42.199
of it was because the ground was
plowed and other parts of the orchard where

502
00:49:42.199 --> 00:49:45.599
it came through that we looked it
was it had been irrigated, and it

503
00:49:45.639 --> 00:49:51.480
was muddy. You just couldn't tell. You couldn't tell the sasquash was sinking

504
00:49:52.159 --> 00:49:58.159
into the mud and into the plowed
ground at least at least a foot and

505
00:49:59.599 --> 00:50:04.880
underneath that was just hard, hard, hard dirt. And uh so there

506
00:50:04.960 --> 00:50:07.800
was really no you couldn't get an
you couldn't get a good picture as to

507
00:50:07.880 --> 00:50:14.079
the shape of the of the footprint. Just couldn't. Yeah, absolutely,

508
00:50:14.119 --> 00:50:19.079
something that heavy would definitely be sinking
down, especially in an area where there's

509
00:50:19.199 --> 00:50:27.159
irrigation happening. That's such a such
a very interesting encounter. Did you ever

510
00:50:27.280 --> 00:50:35.679
hear of any sightings in from neighbors
around that area or hear of any other

511
00:50:35.719 --> 00:50:40.960
people in that area talking about seeing
things as well? No? Not a

512
00:50:42.039 --> 00:50:46.960
soul, Yeah, not a soul. Later later in life, I I

513
00:50:47.119 --> 00:50:52.440
joined the California Highway Patrol and some
of the guys I worked with in Los

514
00:50:52.480 --> 00:51:06.679
Angeles transferred up to the Mount Shasta
area, and so I I I after

515
00:51:07.079 --> 00:51:13.480
after I had retired from the Highway
Patrol, I started tracking down. I

516
00:51:13.519 --> 00:51:16.559
started thinking about this encounter that I
had. You know, I started listening

517
00:51:16.599 --> 00:51:22.440
to some podcasts about sasquath. So
I tracked down some of my old workmates

518
00:51:22.519 --> 00:51:29.480
from my highway patrol days down in
Los Angeles, and these guys were retired,

519
00:51:29.599 --> 00:51:32.480
but they had retired from up there
by Mount Shasta, and they told

520
00:51:32.519 --> 00:51:38.880
me all kinds of stories about some
of the encounters that that some of those

521
00:51:38.920 --> 00:51:45.639
guys had. And they never,
not one of them ever saw the creature.

522
00:51:46.400 --> 00:51:52.920
All that they saw, they saw
footprints in the roads. One guy

523
00:51:52.000 --> 00:51:57.679
told me that they had a they
had a big fire up there, a

524
00:51:57.719 --> 00:52:01.159
big brush fire up and up in
the area where he was working up in

525
00:52:01.280 --> 00:52:07.199
Modoc. I think it was either
Lassen or Modoc County, and so they

526
00:52:07.239 --> 00:52:14.199
were the fire was being driven by
about thirty mile an hour winds. So

527
00:52:15.039 --> 00:52:21.639
I mean every living creature, mountain, lion, sasquatch, deer, you

528
00:52:21.760 --> 00:52:24.760
name it, raccoon, whatever,
they were all running for their life to

529
00:52:24.760 --> 00:52:30.199
try to outrun the fire and they
were using airplanes to try to control the

530
00:52:30.239 --> 00:52:36.840
fire, and so they're dropping this
fiery tardant, which is roughly about eight

531
00:52:36.920 --> 00:52:43.039
thousand gallons of water with all this
red and purple fiery retardant. So a

532
00:52:43.079 --> 00:52:47.480
lot of the areas along were the
road where these state highways, two lane

533
00:52:47.519 --> 00:52:52.719
state highways kind of dissected this area
where this big fire was. While these

534
00:52:52.800 --> 00:52:59.679
highway patrol guys that I knew,
they saw footprints, muddy footprints that went

535
00:52:59.719 --> 00:53:07.679
across us the state highway, and
the highway was, oh, probably sixty

536
00:53:07.719 --> 00:53:13.639
feet wide or something like that,
paved paved area with the shoulders and everything

537
00:53:13.679 --> 00:53:17.760
about sixty feet wide. And they
said that these these footprints from what they

538
00:53:17.800 --> 00:53:24.039
thought was a sasquatch, they cleared
that that you know, that roadway and

539
00:53:24.719 --> 00:53:32.199
in about three steps, so very
a very large animal leaving a very large

540
00:53:32.239 --> 00:53:40.400
footprint and cleared a very wide road
in just a few steps. So they're

541
00:53:40.400 --> 00:53:47.320
out there. They're out there.
And I talked to some highway patrolmen that

542
00:53:47.480 --> 00:53:52.559
worked up in this area called Trucky. It's between it's right on the Nevada

543
00:53:52.599 --> 00:53:59.400
California line, and they have a
big truck inspection facility there the highway patrol,

544
00:54:00.039 --> 00:54:01.760
and these guys said that they see
they see these things all the time

545
00:54:01.840 --> 00:54:08.039
crossing the road, and but you
never hear anybody talking about it, because

546
00:54:09.000 --> 00:54:14.159
nobody talks about bigfoot. If you
want to get promoted on the job,

547
00:54:14.320 --> 00:54:19.000
or if you don't want to be
criticized and made fun of, you don't

548
00:54:19.039 --> 00:54:22.320
you don't talk about bigfoot. I
don't care if you've seen them, taking

549
00:54:22.400 --> 00:54:27.800
pictures of them, a proof of
them. Nobody talks to nobody that I

550
00:54:27.880 --> 00:54:32.000
ever knew, except the very few
people that I do know that worked up

551
00:54:32.039 --> 00:54:37.559
in those areas that I thought might
have had an encounter, and some of

552
00:54:37.559 --> 00:54:43.840
them did come into contact with some
evidence that those things exist, like footprints,

553
00:54:43.880 --> 00:54:49.880
wet footprints across the road. Nobody's
talking about that stuff. Oh absolutely.

554
00:54:49.960 --> 00:54:55.400
And I've actually taken a gentleman called
in one day with a I believe

555
00:54:55.400 --> 00:55:00.519
it was a sighting from the trucky
area of the ones you were talking about.

556
00:55:00.519 --> 00:55:07.360
Are those recent or no? These
are these were probably twenty twenty five

557
00:55:07.400 --> 00:55:13.599
years for sure. Yeah. But
mount those guys, those guys went on

558
00:55:13.599 --> 00:55:15.960
the highway patrol back in the sixties
with me, and we're all retired.

559
00:55:16.119 --> 00:55:22.480
Ah, gotcha. Get So they're
just they're just they're just recounting old memories

560
00:55:22.519 --> 00:55:27.320
of their days when they worked up
there. Absolutely, and the Mount Shasta.

561
00:55:27.840 --> 00:55:30.679
I mean, if you go to
Bigfoot Encounters dot Com and you go

562
00:55:30.719 --> 00:55:37.079
into the California Encounters area, listeners
can definitely do that. There's some wild

563
00:55:37.719 --> 00:55:42.440
encounters from Mount Shasta, that whole
region. If you look into it,

564
00:55:42.480 --> 00:55:47.119
you could just go rabbit trails upon
rabbit trails of hidden treasure and Bigfoot and

565
00:55:47.719 --> 00:55:52.199
people disappearing. There's a lot of
stories. Yeah, there's a lot of

566
00:55:52.239 --> 00:55:59.239
stories about the sasquatchs that live in
the mountain. Really, you know,

567
00:55:59.400 --> 00:56:02.239
I don't know how so I don't
know how they transport themselves back and forth

568
00:56:02.280 --> 00:56:07.840
from inside to outside. I don't
know. But there are you know,

569
00:56:07.880 --> 00:56:13.280
the Indians tell the Indians that live
up in that area tell stories, I

570
00:56:13.280 --> 00:56:21.480
guess of you know, these creatures
that live in the mountain. That is

571
00:56:21.559 --> 00:56:27.760
true. Really, there is a
whole there is a supposedly a whole civilization

572
00:56:27.880 --> 00:56:31.599
that lives inside Mount Shast. I've
always wanted to talk to someone who's had

573
00:56:32.039 --> 00:56:37.840
encounters there. If you're listening and
you have experience stuff around Mount shasts to

574
00:56:37.880 --> 00:56:42.880
reach out to me. Please,
mister Black, this has been incredible.

575
00:56:43.039 --> 00:56:46.239
There are there's a question I like
to ask now, and I asked this

576
00:56:46.320 --> 00:56:52.920
to everyone. It's a left field
one, but and it doesn't have to

577
00:56:52.960 --> 00:56:57.760
do with Bigfoot, but sometimes it
hits, sometimes it doesn't. In your

578
00:56:58.119 --> 00:57:04.400
experience in California all the other places
you've been, have you ever heard of

579
00:57:04.519 --> 00:57:12.039
anyone seeing any creatures that would look
like a hyena? Look like a one

580
00:57:12.199 --> 00:57:19.000
like a hyena? A hyena?
Yeah? No, okay, cool,

581
00:57:19.079 --> 00:57:22.159
all right, I mean like a
dog man or something like that. Yes,

582
00:57:22.280 --> 00:57:25.800
some people would call it a dog
man, but some people actually are

583
00:57:25.920 --> 00:57:34.719
seeing what they're saying looks like an
actual African hyena. No, you know,

584
00:57:35.000 --> 00:57:40.199
there's I know, I've listened to
some podcasts where some game wardens and

585
00:57:40.320 --> 00:57:52.840
some forestry people shot one of those
things with a forty five three times and

586
00:57:52.920 --> 00:57:57.079
it had no effect on that thing. It just it just kind of snarled

587
00:57:57.119 --> 00:58:01.199
at him and then just kind of
ran off. I've read about them,

588
00:58:01.440 --> 00:58:06.960
I've heard them talk about on a
podcast. I have never I don't know

589
00:58:06.960 --> 00:58:10.280
anybody who's ever seen anything like that, and I've never seen anything like that

590
00:58:10.400 --> 00:58:17.679
myself, it's weird stuff. Some
people have seen them, some haven't.

591
00:58:17.719 --> 00:58:22.559
But you never know what's out there
in the woods. You've had it just

592
00:58:23.360 --> 00:58:28.719
skinwalker ranch stuff. Oh man,
if you've looked in a skinwalker ranch,

593
00:58:28.800 --> 00:58:35.639
then you know about the supposed dire
wolves and the Bigfoot going through the portals

594
00:58:35.639 --> 00:58:38.679
out there. And I mean there's
some wild history in that area for sure.

595
00:58:39.920 --> 00:58:45.800
Yeah. Now they're drilling down.
They drill down in part of the

596
00:58:45.880 --> 00:58:50.440
ranch and they hit something about ninety
feet or something. They hit something metallic.

597
00:58:52.280 --> 00:58:55.639
It's weird stuff for sure. In
the Lake County, California area.

598
00:58:55.920 --> 00:59:02.000
Were there any other events of high
strange that would happen besides Bigfoot that you

599
00:59:02.159 --> 00:59:06.800
noticed? Or was Bigfoot the main
thing that was happening out there in Lake

600
00:59:06.840 --> 00:59:13.440
County that was I never knew anybody
that had an encounter. If there was

601
00:59:13.480 --> 00:59:15.599
other people that had an encounter,
nobody was talking to me about it.

602
00:59:16.280 --> 00:59:22.000
And the only three people that I
know that ever saw anything like that was

603
00:59:22.039 --> 00:59:28.599
my brother who was killed in a
oil well explosion in Wyoming in nineteen seventy

604
00:59:28.920 --> 00:59:35.280
eight, and then my friend Jack
that died about a couple of years ago,

605
00:59:36.079 --> 00:59:40.480
and he was too just too sick
and too ill to even talk about

606
00:59:40.480 --> 00:59:45.360
it. I was really hoping that
I was could have a conversation with him,

607
00:59:45.400 --> 00:59:47.719
But by that I didn't know that
he was. I didn't know that

608
00:59:47.800 --> 00:59:52.800
he was as sick as he was, and so, you know, I

609
00:59:52.920 --> 00:59:59.599
was I kind of lost an opportunity
there to kind of go down memory lane

610
00:59:59.639 --> 01:00:06.360
about you know, because people see
things differently. We'll be back with more

611
01:00:06.400 --> 01:00:15.239
Bigfoot society after these words from our
sponsors, you know. And maybe there

612
01:00:15.119 --> 01:00:20.360
were And I was hoping that he
would have noticed some features of that creature

613
01:00:20.400 --> 01:00:27.920
that I didn't see, you know, And I was mostly focused on the

614
01:00:28.000 --> 01:00:34.119
face and this thing grinning at us. It was creepy. That really creeped

615
01:00:34.199 --> 01:00:40.000
us out when that thing just looked
at us, and it came within about

616
01:00:40.400 --> 01:00:46.639
fifty or seventy five feet from us, and we were on a ranch road,

617
01:00:47.039 --> 01:00:53.159
but separating us from the orchard was
a drainage ditch that was about,

618
01:00:53.840 --> 01:00:59.440
I want to say, about maybe
twenty feet wide and about fifteen or sixteen

619
01:00:59.480 --> 01:01:04.679
feet deep. We felt pretty comfortable
that this thing wasn't going to jump over

620
01:01:04.719 --> 01:01:09.440
there and get us, and uh
and and again it never made any any

621
01:01:09.639 --> 01:01:16.159
movement aggressive movement at all. It
just it just looked over at these three

622
01:01:16.599 --> 01:01:23.280
little kids, these you know,
pre teenage kids, and just grinned and

623
01:01:23.440 --> 01:01:30.239
just kept on going it it It
never slowed down. And matter of fact,

624
01:01:30.360 --> 01:01:31.880
it as a as a as it
went up to the top of the

625
01:01:31.920 --> 01:01:36.599
hill and went over the other side, it picked up speed, a lot

626
01:01:36.639 --> 01:01:40.079
of speed. I never see anything
run. I never saw anything run run

627
01:01:40.119 --> 01:01:45.199
like that. I mean, this
thing, this thing was keeping up with

628
01:01:45.239 --> 01:01:52.239
the pickup and I it was.
It was something. Uh you know,

629
01:01:52.519 --> 01:01:57.840
all these years i've you know,
I can, I can just picture it

630
01:01:57.840 --> 01:02:01.639
in my mind. It really had
a lasting effect on me. And I

631
01:02:02.199 --> 01:02:06.480
forgot about it. I kind of
put it away in my mind for a

632
01:02:06.519 --> 01:02:13.039
long long time, and and uh
never because you know, if I didn't

633
01:02:13.079 --> 01:02:15.440
hear anybody else talking about it,
I wasn't going to be the first to

634
01:02:15.480 --> 01:02:20.559
talk about it, because you know, people would just I didn't want to

635
01:02:20.599 --> 01:02:27.159
be the brunt of a bunch of
jokes, you know. And I think

636
01:02:27.239 --> 01:02:32.360
my dad was interested in it,
especially after he read the True Magazine article.

637
01:02:34.320 --> 01:02:40.079
But I thought for sure that when
those two slabs of pork were taken

638
01:02:40.159 --> 01:02:45.480
off the back rafters of our house, I thought. I thought for sure

639
01:02:45.559 --> 01:02:50.639
my dad would probably you know,
put two and two together, But it

640
01:02:50.719 --> 01:02:54.519
didn't seem like didn't seem like he
did. He just kind of dismissed it.

641
01:02:54.519 --> 01:03:00.480
It was just a mystery that he
couldn't solve. And uh, and

642
01:03:00.559 --> 01:03:05.000
I and in the in the back
there where that where they where they hung

643
01:03:05.079 --> 01:03:09.159
the meat, it was it was
concrete. And then my mom's clothesline was

644
01:03:09.199 --> 01:03:14.519
back there and that was all gravel. So there were no there were no

645
01:03:14.599 --> 01:03:19.719
footprints that we could see. So, you know, we just kind of

646
01:03:19.719 --> 01:03:23.960
struck out that way. Was that
was that time that you saw the big

647
01:03:23.960 --> 01:03:28.960
foot in Lake County? Was that
the weirdest thing that you've seen in your

648
01:03:29.000 --> 01:03:35.320
life? Then I would imagine,
oh, yeah, yeah, that that's

649
01:03:35.360 --> 01:03:43.599
that's that's number one, you know. And and you know, I I

650
01:03:43.679 --> 01:03:47.760
remember three or four years ago,
I lived in Tennessee, Middle Tennessee.

651
01:03:49.440 --> 01:03:53.599
Now we've lived here back in Tennessee
here for about sixteen years. And I

652
01:03:53.599 --> 01:04:00.039
wanted to buy a pickup and I
found one in West Virginia. And so

653
01:04:00.079 --> 01:04:04.039
when I get when I drove up
to West Virginia with my wife to pick

654
01:04:04.159 --> 01:04:11.159
up my truck, I saw as
I was as I was driving through West

655
01:04:11.199 --> 01:04:15.960
Virginia. I was, I was
all these stories that I'd heard on these

656
01:04:15.000 --> 01:04:23.280
podcasts about all the bigfoot sightings that
they see in West Virginia. I was

657
01:04:23.400 --> 01:04:28.079
looking down in every every holler.
I was looking all over. I was,

658
01:04:28.360 --> 01:04:32.400
I was, I was just looking
all over the countryside. I was

659
01:04:32.480 --> 01:04:36.360
sure. I was sure that I
was going to see a big foot up

660
01:04:36.360 --> 01:04:41.039
there. But no, I didn't
say any big foot up there either,

661
01:04:41.559 --> 01:04:46.000
But I guess that's bigfoot country up
there. That in Ohio and Washington and

662
01:04:46.039 --> 01:04:50.280
Oregon. Well that and I mean, some of the craziest reports I've ever

663
01:04:50.360 --> 01:04:56.400
taken have been from Middle Tennessee.
It's it's pretty wild. I mean,

664
01:04:56.440 --> 01:05:00.199
I would, I would keep my
eyes out where you are. You'll probably

665
01:05:00.199 --> 01:05:06.119
hear some crazy stuff someday if you
listen to people talking in the right areas,

666
01:05:06.320 --> 01:05:10.760
for sure. But there's a guy
that lives in Nashville. His name

667
01:05:10.800 --> 01:05:19.559
is Dave Dave Eller, and he's
a bigfoot investigator, and he draws a

668
01:05:19.639 --> 01:05:28.159
one hundred mile circle around Nashville,
and he talks about all the craziness that

669
01:05:28.280 --> 01:05:33.840
he sees out in these woods.
I live in Putnam County, and I've

670
01:05:33.880 --> 01:05:42.000
looked at the BFRO website and other
website to see where if there's any bigfooting

671
01:05:42.679 --> 01:05:47.079
sightings in Putnam County. It's a
pretty large county here in middle Tennessee,

672
01:05:47.480 --> 01:05:55.920
and we're surrounded by hundreds of thousands
of acres of just undeveloped forest land.

673
01:05:56.800 --> 01:06:01.199
And there are no sightings in in
Putnam County. But if you go south

674
01:06:01.280 --> 01:06:15.639
of Putnam County into White County and
Warren County, then you start seeing on

675
01:06:15.800 --> 01:06:25.079
these bigfoot maps where people have seen
and spotted these creatures out there. Hopefully

676
01:06:25.159 --> 01:06:29.840
this will connect. Sorry about that. We had some weird tech issues come

677
01:06:29.880 --> 01:06:32.480
out of nowhere, but yeah we're
back. Sorry about that, sir.

678
01:06:35.079 --> 01:06:41.039
Yeah, Tennessee's got his fair share
over in the Smoky Mountains. You know,

679
01:06:41.199 --> 01:06:45.719
there's you know Dave Polit's He's written
over there in his four one one

680
01:06:45.760 --> 01:06:50.039
books about you know, you know, little children, you know, out

681
01:06:50.039 --> 01:06:55.199
in the field playing under the supervision
of their parents. They look away for

682
01:06:55.280 --> 01:06:58.800
a second or two, and next
thing you know, their kids are gone

683
01:06:59.239 --> 01:07:02.519
and there's not a They mount a
big man hunt and nobody can find him.

684
01:07:02.679 --> 01:07:06.559
Yeah, the whole Dennis Martin case
is wild. I believe it's probably

685
01:07:06.559 --> 01:07:11.800
what it is, you know,
So it leads me to believe that these

686
01:07:11.840 --> 01:07:17.960
creatures can can camouflage and hide in
plain sight. You know. People think

687
01:07:17.960 --> 01:07:23.639
they may be looking at a tree
or a stump or a rock or a

688
01:07:23.679 --> 01:07:27.159
bush, you know, and they
just don't know what they're looking at,

689
01:07:27.360 --> 01:07:33.519
and they can't you know, some
strange some strange stuff is there's a lot

690
01:07:33.559 --> 01:07:41.039
of things about this earth that we
can't explain. Oh, I agree.

691
01:07:42.679 --> 01:07:45.679
Along the rest of your life,
did you ever get to a point where

692
01:07:45.920 --> 01:07:48.360
you're like, you know what,
I'm actually going to go out and look

693
01:07:48.400 --> 01:07:55.559
for Bigfoot myself or was there no
desire ever to do that? No,

694
01:07:55.880 --> 01:07:59.920
I was. I was gonna.
I was going to try to track down

695
01:08:00.320 --> 01:08:04.800
uh Dave Eller down here in Nashville
to see if I could go out with

696
01:08:04.880 --> 01:08:13.039
him wherever he goes and and see
if we can uh come up with with

697
01:08:13.079 --> 01:08:21.600
some encounters. And because I don't
know if the Sasquatch critters that they're seeing

698
01:08:21.840 --> 01:08:28.239
in this neck of the woods look
anything like what uh you know we we

699
01:08:28.439 --> 01:08:31.439
I saw out in California. I
know, the stuff they see down in

700
01:08:31.520 --> 01:08:38.760
the in the big thicket parts of
Texas they look more like uh you know,

701
01:08:40.039 --> 01:08:43.880
apes, they got the face of
an ape, I guess. And

702
01:08:44.720 --> 01:08:48.479
yeah, so they're you know,
and they're reporting that some of these creatures

703
01:08:48.520 --> 01:08:54.600
have three toes, four toes,
five toes. You know. I don't

704
01:08:54.640 --> 01:09:00.479
know if that's interbreeding problems. I
don't know what causes that, you know.

705
01:09:00.960 --> 01:09:05.920
And and I was gonna I was
going to say to you that there's

706
01:09:05.960 --> 01:09:16.880
a there's a mountain resort in eastern
Tennessee called McCloud Mountain McLeod Mountain Lodge,

707
01:09:17.199 --> 01:09:24.199
and a few years back, my
wife and I took my wife to that

708
01:09:24.359 --> 01:09:28.079
lodge. It sits up on top
of this mountain and you can look out

709
01:09:28.119 --> 01:09:33.560
over Norris Lake and all. It's
pretty close to the Kentucky border. And

710
01:09:33.920 --> 01:09:38.800
so we spent the night up there. It's really a beautiful, beautiful place

711
01:09:39.119 --> 01:09:44.840
and beautiful rooms, great food.
So the next day when we left,

712
01:09:45.600 --> 01:09:49.479
as I noticed that I didn't see
I didn't really pay attention when we pulled

713
01:09:49.520 --> 01:09:55.239
into the into the compound where this
lodge is, but it's got about a

714
01:09:55.399 --> 01:10:03.520
fourteen foot wall all around the lodge, and I thought that is kind of

715
01:10:04.279 --> 01:10:10.920
why would they have like a twelve
or fourteen foot wall high wall around around

716
01:10:10.920 --> 01:10:16.000
this place that just and on the
and on the face of the of the

717
01:10:16.199 --> 01:10:19.800
of the lodge, on the on
the part of all the buildings where all

718
01:10:19.800 --> 01:10:25.960
the windows are. It's just a
sheer drop off of just hundreds and hundreds

719
01:10:26.000 --> 01:10:29.119
of feet, you know. So
it's it sits right on the edge of

720
01:10:29.159 --> 01:10:34.479
this cliff. So anyway, we're
leaving the lodge. I noticed the walls.

721
01:10:35.199 --> 01:10:43.119
Makes me wonder. And as I
go through the the exit, I

722
01:10:43.159 --> 01:10:46.640
see this little sign. And by
the way, there's no on the on

723
01:10:46.680 --> 01:10:54.640
the road that goes from this little
town of La Foyette or something like that,

724
01:10:54.960 --> 01:10:57.880
all the way to the top of
the mountain. Nobody lives up there.

725
01:10:58.279 --> 01:11:01.359
You got to go clear the top
of the mountain before you see two

726
01:11:01.439 --> 01:11:05.560
or three cabins plus this lodge.
And that's it. There's just nothing.

727
01:11:05.600 --> 01:11:10.279
There's nothing up there, hardly,
just a few little cabins. So anyway,

728
01:11:10.279 --> 01:11:13.880
we go out the gate on our
way home, I see this sign.

729
01:11:13.920 --> 01:11:20.800
It says something like overlook or something
like that, and it's got an

730
01:11:20.920 --> 01:11:24.800
arrow pointing to the right. So
I thought, okay, well we'll go.

731
01:11:24.960 --> 01:11:29.640
Let's go drive over and see what
this overlook looks like. So we

732
01:11:29.840 --> 01:11:35.319
drive out there about half a mile, and the paved road starts to get

733
01:11:35.920 --> 01:11:41.640
pretty iffy, and then it goes
to dirt, and then it goes it

734
01:11:41.680 --> 01:11:45.239
got to the point where it was
actually a four wheel drive road. So

735
01:11:45.279 --> 01:11:53.399
I keep going and I finally find
this place called the Overlook, and it's

736
01:11:53.479 --> 01:11:59.439
a part of the top of this
mountain. It is solid granite, and

737
01:11:58.680 --> 01:12:03.640
and I'm not sure who did it, but they built all these wooden walkways

738
01:12:03.720 --> 01:12:11.800
with handrails all over the top of
the of this top of this of this

739
01:12:12.000 --> 01:12:16.159
granite kind of part of the top
of this mountain. And it was about

740
01:12:16.439 --> 01:12:26.840
I would say that the area that
this walkway covered was maybe three or four

741
01:12:26.880 --> 01:12:31.159
acres, pretty good size. So
anyway, we get we take some pictures,

742
01:12:31.199 --> 01:12:36.079
and we get back in the truck
and we're headed back out to the

743
01:12:36.159 --> 01:12:42.880
road that goes down that mountain when
and my wife is looking at her Facebook

744
01:12:43.000 --> 01:12:46.359
page and sending pictures to all her
friends. So I'm driving out here,

745
01:12:47.199 --> 01:12:51.960
and I just I was going really
slow because it's I had to be in

746
01:12:53.000 --> 01:12:56.479
four wheel drive to get out of
this thing, big deep ruts and all

747
01:12:56.520 --> 01:13:01.199
this stuff. And I looked off
to my left and I see a tree

748
01:13:01.239 --> 01:13:08.680
formation that just looks odd. So
I stopp and back up and I look

749
01:13:08.800 --> 01:13:14.359
at it, and I thought,
this looks like a Sasquatch trail marker that

750
01:13:14.439 --> 01:13:18.079
I've read about. So I got
out and I walked over to it,

751
01:13:19.079 --> 01:13:27.000
and there was a there was a
footpath, pretty well worn footpath that went

752
01:13:27.159 --> 01:13:32.279
from the area next to the road, this dirt road, four wheel drive

753
01:13:32.399 --> 01:13:38.319
road, and it kind of went
up the up the side of this really

754
01:13:38.399 --> 01:13:42.079
steep part of the hill. I
don't I don't think I could have walked

755
01:13:42.159 --> 01:13:45.439
up it. Uh, it was
that steep, but it was well worn,

756
01:13:45.640 --> 01:13:50.560
it had a lot of foot traffic
on it. And and so right

757
01:13:50.640 --> 01:13:58.079
next to this path there was a
sapling, a pine sapling about I want

758
01:13:58.119 --> 01:14:03.159
to say, about three inches in
diameter, and about from where the tree

759
01:14:03.239 --> 01:14:10.000
came out of the ground up to
where it had been twisted and then snapped.

760
01:14:11.479 --> 01:14:14.399
And I looked at that and I
thought, that doesn't happen in nature.

761
01:14:15.279 --> 01:14:18.680
And I looked around at other trees
and no other damage trees next to

762
01:14:18.720 --> 01:14:24.560
it at all. And then down
below it, about five or six feet

763
01:14:25.079 --> 01:14:30.000
there was another sapling that was about
I want to say the tree was about

764
01:14:30.399 --> 01:14:36.720
twenty five maybe maybe thirty feet long, and it had been bent into an

765
01:14:36.880 --> 01:14:43.119
arc, and then the top of
the tree was jammed down into the ground

766
01:14:44.000 --> 01:14:47.840
and then there was there was nothing
else holding the tree. It was just

767
01:14:47.960 --> 01:14:54.279
the top of the tree jammed into
the dirt and it held that tree in

768
01:14:54.359 --> 01:15:00.680
a perfect arc. That doesn't happen
in nature either. That's some some wild

769
01:15:00.720 --> 01:15:06.159
stuff. Wow. Yeah, So
I got home. I got home later

770
01:15:06.239 --> 01:15:10.920
that it's about a two and a
half hour drive over there from where we

771
01:15:10.960 --> 01:15:15.960
live. We'll be back with more
Bigfoot Society after these words from our sponsors.

772
01:15:19.560 --> 01:15:26.520
And it's all just really little bitty
farms here and there, really really

773
01:15:26.560 --> 01:15:32.720
old farm buildings, some of them
built on rock foundations. Have you ever

774
01:15:32.760 --> 01:15:38.560
seen that where they build the old
houses way back in the eighteen hundreds,

775
01:15:38.560 --> 01:15:44.279
they the foundation is they built,
They put the wooden structure on top of

776
01:15:44.600 --> 01:15:46.560
rocks. They use that for a
foundation. Oh yeah, absolutely, yeah,

777
01:15:46.800 --> 01:15:49.479
I've seen that. Yeah you see
okay, yeah, we've all seen

778
01:15:49.520 --> 01:15:53.039
that stuff. Yeah. So anyway, that's kind of what's back there.

779
01:15:53.279 --> 01:15:57.680
Wow. And these little towns are
kind of small and you know, so

780
01:15:58.279 --> 01:16:02.479
it's it's just kind of remote up
there on top of McLoud Mountain. So

781
01:16:02.520 --> 01:16:08.960
anyway, I drive home and the
next day I get on the computer and

782
01:16:09.079 --> 01:16:14.359
I track down this guy, Bob's
Strain, and I come up with his

783
01:16:14.479 --> 01:16:18.680
wife, Kathy Strain, and it
tells all about her that she's an anthropologist.

784
01:16:19.039 --> 01:16:25.039
She works for the US Department of
Forestry, and when they when they

785
01:16:25.119 --> 01:16:30.319
are in the National Forest and they
come upon Indian remains, then that's her

786
01:16:30.359 --> 01:16:34.920
Bailey Wick. She works with the
Indian tribes to do whatever the Indian tribe

787
01:16:34.920 --> 01:16:39.800
wants wants to do with those bones, you know, take them someplace,

788
01:16:39.920 --> 01:16:44.119
bury him someplace, you know,
reburying. I don't know whatever they do.

789
01:16:44.680 --> 01:16:49.439
But that's but because of because of
her job, and because she's out

790
01:16:49.439 --> 01:16:58.640
in the forests all the time,
in pretty remote parts of the California forest,

791
01:16:59.279 --> 01:17:02.840
she she come into contact with these
things, and so she was so

792
01:17:02.880 --> 01:17:08.920
I called, so I sent her
a messenger. I didn't know what her

793
01:17:08.960 --> 01:17:12.199
phone number was, I didn't know
what her email address was, but I

794
01:17:12.600 --> 01:17:16.920
found her on the Facebook and Messenger. So I sent her. I sent

795
01:17:16.960 --> 01:17:20.720
her a picture of this thing,
and I said what is this? And

796
01:17:20.800 --> 01:17:24.880
she wrote right back within maybe half
an hour or so, and said,

797
01:17:25.199 --> 01:17:29.119
oh, that's a sasquatch. Trail
marker. Where is that? And I

798
01:17:29.159 --> 01:17:32.560
said, McCloud Mountain in East Tennessee, and she said, yep, they're

799
01:17:32.600 --> 01:17:39.560
just marking the trail. And so
that's kind of what So as I drive

800
01:17:39.640 --> 01:17:45.720
around Tennessee and I'm a motorcyclist,
even at I'm seventy nine and I'm still

801
01:17:45.800 --> 01:17:49.720
riding the motorcycles, you know,
But I wrote them all my life on

802
01:17:49.760 --> 01:17:54.920
the highway patrol had them as I
was a kid. Can't get motorcycles out

803
01:17:54.920 --> 01:17:59.640
of my out of my blood.
So we got we got beautiful backcountry roads

804
01:17:59.640 --> 01:18:02.960
here. The roads are well paved. They go out in the middle of

805
01:18:03.039 --> 01:18:14.880
nowhere, and I'm always looking for
any kind of tree structure that just looks

806
01:18:14.960 --> 01:18:21.000
odd. The road that I live
on has about twelve houses on it and

807
01:18:21.119 --> 01:18:28.840
it's about not quite a mile long, and it dead ends, it dead

808
01:18:28.920 --> 01:18:33.239
ends up the hill from me,
and from that point on it's about fifteen

809
01:18:33.279 --> 01:18:40.239
thousand acres of nothing but undeveloped woods. The only thing that goes through that

810
01:18:40.479 --> 01:18:48.560
fifteen thousand acres is an underground high
pressure propane line that goes from Nashville to

811
01:18:48.640 --> 01:18:56.800
Knoxville, and it's buried underground,
but there's a big clearing on, you

812
01:18:56.880 --> 01:18:59.439
know, so they can have access
to go in there and work on that

813
01:18:59.479 --> 01:19:02.359
line at the end, have to. And I take my four wheeler and

814
01:19:02.399 --> 01:19:09.039
I go back in there. And
I have looked all over that place back

815
01:19:09.039 --> 01:19:13.520
there looking for any kind of weird
signs of anything, and I have yet

816
01:19:13.560 --> 01:19:19.279
to find it. But I'm going
to dig up Dave Eller's I'm going to

817
01:19:19.319 --> 01:19:21.960
see if I can figure out how
to get a hold of him. I

818
01:19:23.039 --> 01:19:28.680
know that they just had a bigfoot
conference down in nick Menville, which is

819
01:19:28.760 --> 01:19:34.399
about an hour and twenty minutes from
my house, and I didn't know it,

820
01:19:35.159 --> 01:19:43.199
or I would have been there because
Eller was there. Who's the guy

821
01:19:43.439 --> 01:19:49.199
with the Sierra Sounds morehead yep Ron
Moorehead. He was there and a bunch

822
01:19:49.199 --> 01:19:54.000
of other people were there. Oh
you're talking about the Task wild Man conference.

823
01:19:55.520 --> 01:19:58.119
Yeah, it just happened just a
few days ago. Suppose it was

824
01:19:58.159 --> 01:20:00.439
over the weekend. Yeah, there
a lot of Really, you need to

825
01:20:00.479 --> 01:20:04.560
go next year if if you can
make it, because the people there are

826
01:20:04.600 --> 01:20:09.840
all fantastic people. I've met a
lot of them and they are just great

827
01:20:09.880 --> 01:20:15.720
individuals. These aren't people that are
delusional, No, you know, these

828
01:20:15.720 --> 01:20:21.520
aren't people making up stories. You
know. Ron Moorehead tell some pretty spooky

829
01:20:21.640 --> 01:20:29.800
stories about were they. He was
up there with those people and they they

830
01:20:29.840 --> 01:20:36.680
went inside this tree or something and
somebody it wasn't them that made it,

831
01:20:36.760 --> 01:20:40.800
but it was already there, and
they went up and it was kind of

832
01:20:40.880 --> 01:20:45.279
like this camping spot up in the
Sierra Mountains. And they were back miles

833
01:20:45.279 --> 01:20:49.520
and miles back in there, and
almost immediately when they got back there,

834
01:20:49.560 --> 01:20:56.439
they heard tree knocks and whooping and
hollering and carrying on all night until it

835
01:20:56.520 --> 01:21:01.039
got down. It got down right
in their campsite, and they took refuge

836
01:21:01.119 --> 01:21:11.359
in this hollowed out tree. And
somebody had created this out of logs or

837
01:21:11.359 --> 01:21:17.319
something that were chained together. They
could make this little fortress in this hollowed

838
01:21:17.319 --> 01:21:24.359
out tree, and they all got
in there to protect themselves because I guess

839
01:21:24.359 --> 01:21:32.039
there was some pretty aggressive stuff going
on out in their campsite. And that's

840
01:21:32.079 --> 01:21:39.399
some pretty spooky stuff. But do
you believe that our government knows all about

841
01:21:39.479 --> 01:21:44.640
these creatures? Oh? Totally,
absolutely. They know more about these They

842
01:21:44.680 --> 01:21:49.039
know more about these things than anybody
on the planet. Probably, I wouldn't

843
01:21:49.079 --> 01:21:54.479
be surprised if they actually got one
in captivity. Dude, I've heard some

844
01:21:54.640 --> 01:21:59.560
wild stuff and it's like, if
there's all the UFO stuff and that that's

845
01:21:59.560 --> 01:22:03.359
coming out, you know that.
I mean, you hear all these stories

846
01:22:03.439 --> 01:22:10.439
about stuff around bases or sightings on
bases in certain areas. You know that

847
01:22:10.479 --> 01:22:15.880
there's there's got to be some bigfoot
that are and some people even think that

848
01:22:16.000 --> 01:22:21.119
the bigfoot stuff is related to the
UFO stuff coming out. And I mean

849
01:22:21.119 --> 01:22:27.000
that's an interesting see all these these
these these light orbs in the in the

850
01:22:27.119 --> 01:22:31.239
forest, you know, and uh, they see all this kind of stuff,

851
01:22:32.000 --> 01:22:35.399
and uh, you wonder what the
heck is that stuff? You know,

852
01:22:36.479 --> 01:22:42.600
It's it's very very interesting because there's
no right or wrong answers, and

853
01:22:42.720 --> 01:22:47.000
it's like every answer you find leads
to ten different questions. And yeah,

854
01:22:47.039 --> 01:22:53.880
it's it's crazy stuff. You know. The the Indians, you know,

855
01:22:53.960 --> 01:22:59.800
they've they've had relationships with the Kathy
Strain's got this book and I'm got a

856
01:22:59.800 --> 01:23:02.239
couple of books. I'm I'm gonna
go on Amazon and see if I can

857
01:23:02.279 --> 01:23:09.119
find them. And uh, and
because all her all those encounters that she

858
01:23:09.359 --> 01:23:14.319
writes about are just the stories told
to her by the Indian tribes. The

859
01:23:14.439 --> 01:23:19.680
Lakota and the you know, and
the Navajo and the Apache and and all

860
01:23:19.720 --> 01:23:26.960
those folks. And I think it
was either the Navajo or the Apache drove

861
01:23:27.000 --> 01:23:33.039
them out of Arizona and drove them
back up up and you know, up

862
01:23:33.079 --> 01:23:38.840
in the northern Utah and up and
there. But you know, there's I

863
01:23:38.840 --> 01:23:45.880
mean, I've I've listened to so
many credible podcasts where you know, these

864
01:23:45.800 --> 01:23:53.479
these helicopter pilots and their observers are
out flying, flying these big power lines

865
01:23:53.520 --> 01:23:59.000
just to make sure that you know, tree limbs or branches or debris aren't

866
01:23:59.119 --> 01:24:03.399
you know, uh, interfering with
the transmission lines. And they're out in

867
01:24:03.399 --> 01:24:08.000
the middle of nowhere, you know, out in places that would take you

868
01:24:08.520 --> 01:24:13.600
a day or two to hike into. And here's a here's a here's a

869
01:24:13.600 --> 01:24:18.800
male sasquatch, mama sasquatch and baby
sasquatch just out there in the middle of

870
01:24:18.800 --> 01:24:26.479
nowhere. And uh and in some
cases these things will stand their ground,

871
01:24:27.199 --> 01:24:32.479
others other times they just run away. You know, it's wild, it's

872
01:24:32.520 --> 01:24:40.279
mysterious, It's it's mysterious. And
uh, this guy run the Dave Eller

873
01:24:40.399 --> 01:24:47.039
down here in Nashville. I I've
listened to him on YouTube when he's and

874
01:24:47.399 --> 01:24:57.560
he seems to be pretty fearless.
And he was talking about UH on a

875
01:24:57.680 --> 01:25:04.840
podcast I listened to recently. He
was talking about some place UH east west

876
01:25:04.920 --> 01:25:14.840
of the Nashville out in the out
in the woods north of Interstate forty and

877
01:25:14.960 --> 01:25:18.720
he came to this place. He
called it a glade, and it's just

878
01:25:18.800 --> 01:25:25.039
a place in the forest where the
where the floor of the floor of the

879
01:25:25.199 --> 01:25:30.600
of the forest is just solid stone. It's just out in the middle of

880
01:25:30.640 --> 01:25:38.079
the forest. Nothing grows there.
And he's had a lot of encounters in

881
01:25:38.119 --> 01:25:44.680
those areas, and so I,
you know, I tried to look up

882
01:25:44.800 --> 01:25:49.000
to see if there was any any
map on on the internet that showed where

883
01:25:49.239 --> 01:25:55.640
some of these glades might might might
exist, but I couldn't find anything.

884
01:25:56.359 --> 01:26:04.159
But he's had some pretty pretty end
There's another place where a lot of Bigfoot

885
01:26:04.199 --> 01:26:11.880
sightings land between the lakes, yes, y yeah, yes. Part of

886
01:26:11.920 --> 01:26:16.119
it's in Tennessee, part of it's
in Kentucky. It's where the lakes were

887
01:26:16.159 --> 01:26:21.760
formed back in the eighteen hundreds when
had this big earthquake in the Mississippi River

888
01:26:21.920 --> 01:26:30.760
reversed course and created these lakes.
And I even read that it said that

889
01:26:30.800 --> 01:26:42.479
the that the that the earthquake was
so severe that it rang the Liberty Bell

890
01:26:42.560 --> 01:26:46.199
in Philadelphia. Now, I don't
know about that. That's pretty that's a

891
01:26:46.239 --> 01:26:50.159
wild one. But that same area
is the wild one. It's pretty heavy

892
01:26:50.199 --> 01:26:56.359
with dog man sightings as well.
The whole land between the Lakes area.

893
01:26:57.279 --> 01:27:00.520
Yeah, Judy and I went in
there. We were on our way back

894
01:27:00.680 --> 01:27:06.520
from shild some camping trip out and
out maybe in South dak go to somewhere,

895
01:27:06.680 --> 01:27:12.560
and we came through there and we
were gonna we and uh, we

896
01:27:12.640 --> 01:27:16.720
spent the night there in this campground
in the land between the lakes. It

897
01:27:16.760 --> 01:27:23.399
is an unusual place, and uh, but that was lot. But I

898
01:27:23.520 --> 01:27:28.640
wasn't into bigfoot. I wasn't looking
for anything at that time, and I

899
01:27:28.760 --> 01:27:32.159
wasn't thinking about that. But later
on, when I started listening to this

900
01:27:32.439 --> 01:27:36.039
Dave Eller guy, then I thought, Wow, they got a lot of

901
01:27:36.640 --> 01:27:43.000
a lot of sightings over there.
And but you got to go out and

902
01:27:43.319 --> 01:27:46.800
uh, you got to get away
from people and where people normally go,

903
01:27:47.479 --> 01:27:50.680
and then you'll, I guess you'll
run into these things. I don't know.

904
01:27:51.319 --> 01:27:55.600
Oh absolutely, I mean you got
to get back back out in the

905
01:27:55.880 --> 01:27:59.359
nature, and who knows what what
you'll find, so be prepared. But

906
01:28:00.039 --> 01:28:04.640
mister Black, this has been a
awesome chat that's gone places that I wasn't

907
01:28:04.680 --> 01:28:09.439
expecting it to go, and I'm
glad it went to all the places it

908
01:28:09.479 --> 01:28:13.520
did. But thank you so much
for contacting me, and I hope that

909
01:28:13.640 --> 01:28:20.039
you you stay in touch and with
any other interesting things that happened in the

910
01:28:20.079 --> 01:28:27.359
next coming years. I've got some
friends that are retired from the Patrol in

911
01:28:27.399 --> 01:28:30.720
California and they live down here in
Warren County, and they live out in

912
01:28:30.800 --> 01:28:39.159
the middle of nothing, and I'm
gonna i haven't seen these guys for a

913
01:28:39.279 --> 01:28:43.199
couple of months, and I'm gonna
I'm gonna see if those guys have seen

914
01:28:43.239 --> 01:28:46.439
anything that they're just keeping to themselves, you know. There you go,

915
01:28:46.600 --> 01:28:50.319
and because they decided that they were
going to be you know, they're going

916
01:28:50.399 --> 01:28:55.680
to raise some chickens and they're going
to have a goat or two, you

917
01:28:55.720 --> 01:28:59.199
know, and that kind of thing. And I can't think of anything that

918
01:28:59.319 --> 01:29:02.439
might make a a good meal than
a chicken or a goat, you know,

919
01:29:02.520 --> 01:29:08.840
for some of these you know,
And and you know, I've and

920
01:29:08.920 --> 01:29:14.000
a lot of my friends here hunt, and I think a lot of the

921
01:29:14.039 --> 01:29:18.520
people that see these bigfoot are hunters, and the most fascinating stories to me

922
01:29:19.159 --> 01:29:27.840
are told by hunters who really really
tell some kind of bone chilling stories about

923
01:29:27.880 --> 01:29:33.720
these critters and how some of those
guys have shot those things and they just

924
01:29:33.960 --> 01:29:40.119
run off, they don't die.
They're shooting them with seven millimeter mags.

925
01:29:40.159 --> 01:29:45.680
They're shooting them with all kinds of
thirty odd sixes, and they can see

926
01:29:45.720 --> 01:29:49.000
the round go through this thing.
They can see a tree bark or something

927
01:29:49.079 --> 01:29:54.479
fly as a bullet goes through them. And these things scream and yell and

928
01:29:54.520 --> 01:29:59.960
carry on and just run off and
you know, never to be found again.

929
01:30:00.680 --> 01:30:04.239
It's just I don't know if you
can kill these things or not.

930
01:30:04.439 --> 01:30:09.800
You know, you know, it's
wild. You know, who knows.

931
01:30:09.840 --> 01:30:15.079
Maybe some days someone will we'll see. But if you ever run into you

932
01:30:15.279 --> 01:30:18.960
any of anyone you're talking to that
has any other interesting things to report as

933
01:30:18.960 --> 01:30:23.800
well, you can always feel free
to pass on my information. I'd love

934
01:30:23.840 --> 01:30:28.800
to talk to him as well,
but I'll do that. I know that.

935
01:30:29.159 --> 01:30:31.079
The other night I was listening to
this podcast, and these two truck

936
01:30:31.159 --> 01:30:36.560
drivers, husband and wife, are
going up up some they were in Minnesota,

937
01:30:38.079 --> 01:30:42.319
and they were traveling along this road
up that kind of parallel the Mississippi

938
01:30:42.399 --> 01:30:46.760
River, and they see this black
Hawk hawk helicopter hovern just above the tree

939
01:30:46.800 --> 01:30:51.239
line. And as they continue to
drive along in their truck wherever they were

940
01:30:51.279 --> 01:31:01.560
going to deliver freight, why this
black Hawk kind of uh increases its elevation

941
01:31:02.680 --> 01:31:09.239
and uh. And there's a big
cable hanging below the helicopter, and below

942
01:31:09.319 --> 01:31:15.079
that is a huge white bag that's
attached to the cable to the attached to

943
01:31:15.119 --> 01:31:23.199
the bottom of the helicopter. And
within just a few minutes of them seeing

944
01:31:23.279 --> 01:31:29.600
that, both their cell phones rang
and it was and it was and there

945
01:31:29.720 --> 01:31:35.520
was a message that said we want
to talk to you, and they said

946
01:31:35.560 --> 01:31:41.920
they just they just deleted the message
from their voice message and they just kept

947
01:31:41.960 --> 01:31:46.199
on driving. Now, that's creepy, that's that's some wild stuff. You

948
01:31:46.279 --> 01:31:50.079
never know what's going to happen.
For sure, it's crazy. You got

949
01:31:50.199 --> 01:31:56.600
anyway, It's good, good,
good talking to you, and thanks for

950
01:31:56.680 --> 01:32:01.079
taking the time to listen to my
crazy, crazy story. You got it,

951
01:32:01.079 --> 01:32:04.039
mister black Keep in touch, sir, Thank you for chatting tonight.

952
01:32:05.520 --> 01:32:13.920
Hey, goodnight, and have a
good one Here at Bigfoot Society. Our

953
01:32:14.039 --> 01:32:18.560
goal is to provide a platform for
those that have encountered Bigfoot to share their

954
01:32:18.680 --> 01:32:24.760
encounter and a safe and respected environment. But we need to hear your story.

955
01:32:24.840 --> 01:32:29.920
If you've experienced something that you just
can't explain, please send me an

956
01:32:29.920 --> 01:32:35.239
email at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot
com. Then we can start the conversation.

957
01:32:35.439 --> 01:32:41.319
And I know a lot of you
have not shared your encounter at all.

958
01:32:41.439 --> 01:32:45.119
It's been twenty years and it's time
that you get this off your chest

959
01:32:45.920 --> 01:32:48.760
and then you can get some well
deserved for rest, because I know you

960
01:32:48.800 --> 01:32:54.880
haven't been sleeping. I understand what
you're going through, and I appreciate every

961
01:32:54.920 --> 01:32:55.800
one of you listening