Mr. Black and the Sasquatch (Archive)

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0:43 Welcome to big for Society. If you have Bigfoot activity to report from the same areas discussed in this episode, please reach out to me directly after this episode, and if you'd like to be on the podcast to discuss a personal Bigfoot encounter, please reach out to me directly at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com. Do you wish there was more big for Society to listen to you every week? Well there is now. If you become a supporting member over at Patreon, you get a special members only episode every single week on Wednesdays, and sometimes even more episodes head on over to Patreon dot com fort Slash the Big for Society, And now let's get on with the show. Place with my neighbor who was pretty kooky. It was probably about nineteen eighty eighty six, or aout in nineteen eighty six, I guess that's about when it had happened.

1:43 Just came over to me out of the blue and just handed me this book. And I want to know if I believed in Bigfoot. So I thought that was pretty interesting. I would recommember figure out who that guy was. Yeah, exactly, you were saying that it was an old Oregon lagger that had written that pamphlet about how he was had big Foot on his property, or do you remember anything about the story that was contained inside the booklet? One of this one of the things that he said in the booklet, I think it happened. It was it had to do with his his first encounter with with Bigfoot, and said he.

2:26 He lived up in the. Lived up in the woods somewhere in Oregon, and in a travel trailer, and there were a lot of logging roads up there. I know my wife and I were thinking about buying a house up there in Florence Oregon, and I and I know, the real estate guy took us around and man, we were we were on dirt roads and there's just roads everywhere out there, you know that they they cut for for for all these logging operations that they had going. Anyway, one of the things that he was that he talked about early on in this. Booklet and it got it got me to thinking.

3:08 About the size of of sasquatch that he said he was out for some kind of a little evening stroll down one of his logging roads near where he was staying in his travel trailer, little travel trailer, and he said he stopped to kind of look over the countryside, and he and is his eyes were drawn to this creature that was standing behind a stump. Of a of a large tree that had been cut down. And he said this, this creature was standing behind the stump and about he could see the He could see the creature from the top of his head down to about I say, about the middle of his chest and the rest of it was concealed by the stump in this and so he was looking down downhill through this clear cut forest, and.

4:14 So he was watching this thing. And then he said he turned his eyes away, and he looked back and the thing was gone. So at some some. Point in the in the you know, shortly after that occurred, maybe the next day or something like that, he went down to that stump where he had seen that creature. And he said he was himself like six two or six three, and he stood behind the stump, and the top of the stump was maybe a couple of feet above the above the top of his head, so it made that sasquatch about eleven or twelve feet high.

4:58 And so that's how he kind of opened up in the early parts of this book. And then he somehow, and I can't remember how, it's been so many it's been almost forty years. He made friends with this family of sasquatch, and they. Took him, took him to what he referred to as the fifth. Dimension, and he said he could actually look back on people in. Our dimension, which is a three dimension, third dimension. And he had just all kinds of things to say that, you know, about that kind of stuff, and it.

5:41 Was just it was pretty far out stuff. And and but the guy stood by what he said, because I called him up on the phone and asked him who he was and he told me who he was, and I talked to him for about an hour and the guy, the guy was definitely convincing and very sincere and didn't sound at all delusional. But you know, it just makes you wonder, you know, about maybe what the extraterrestrial powers of these things might be. Do all of them have these powers or just some of them have these powers? It's you know, who knows. It's just, you know, something we can talk about and speculate about. But I don't know anybody that has ever ever talked to me personally about what this old man, this old logger talk to me about.

6:39 It's very interesting. So, listeners, if you know what this pamphlet is, it's about fifty sixty five pages, and we're not sure who the guy's name is. But if you're listening and you know what this pamphlet is, let me know. You can email me or put it in the YouTube comments, and then I'll let mister Black no, because I'm sure, I mean, I would like to know. I'm sure he would like to know as well. But that's a very interesting side story about something that happened during the eighties. But to let the listeners know, so you contacted me, sir, quite a while ago, and we've been going back and forth via email about that you've had an encounter that took place in nineteen fifty eight in northern California, and we finally gotten to the point where we're able to chat about it on the phone and to be able to share, so you can share what happened. But I first want to say thank you for coming on the line tonight to share what happened to you back in the fifties. But yeah, I just the floor, as your sir.

7:51 I grew up in northern California in a place called Lake County. It's about one hundred and twenty miles north of San Francisco in the in the mountains of in the It's in the Coastal Mountain Range of California. Lake County is surrounded by Napa County on the south, which everybody knows is you know, heavily wine country, Sonoma County also Wine Country, Mendocino County pretty much the same thing. Caloosa County and Glen County and now.

8:35 Lake County. When I grew up in the fifties was predominantly walnut orchards, pear orchards, cattle and sheep branches, and there was a large resort community that surrounded the Clear Lake, which is the largest freshwater lake in California. Lake County was very arsely populated in the fifties that the population in the county was probably about seventeen thousand. And I went to high school in Kelseyville and graduated from Kelseyville High and my senior class only had forty two students at it.

9:19 So it just gives you an idea how small a community and how sparsely populated the county was. My dad was during World War two worked for a mining company in Clearlake. It was a. Quicksilver mining operation and they supplied quicksilver, which from that you get mercury. And so after World War Two he bought some. A bulldozer and a pickup and he was clearing land for some wealthy ranchers from south in California, and they were going to plant walnut orchards in this very brushy.

10:07 Rugged part of Lake County. And when my father was done clearing off this one piece of land, which was about four hundred acres, they asked him if he wouldn't be the general manager and be in charge of planning it as a walnut orchard. So I grew up on a ranch that was had four hundred acres in walnuts, and then it had about eight hundred acres and open pasture land where we ran cattle. So fast forward to nineteen fifty eight and my brother and I listened to my dad talk about how he wanted to.

10:59 Irrigate his orchard twenty four hours a day. So we hired all these people from surrounding counties and cities and towns, and none of. Them worked out. They were all a bunch of alcoholics, and they drank on the job and they did terrible work, and so I had to fire them all. So my brother and I went to my dad and said, hey, listen, if you want to continue your irrigation project here where you want to irrigate the orchard twenty four hours a day, we can do that job. And my dad thought we were a little too small to do that. I was fourteen, my brother was about twelve, and we had a friend by the name of Jack who is deceased, and my brother is now deceased, and so we convinced my dad that we could do the job.

11:54 So we set up a schedule. Where we were moving this irrigation pipe through the orchard twenty four hours a day, and every eight hours we would move the irrigation pipe forty feet. So this one night, it would happened to be a Sunday night, and it was about seven o'clock at night, and we. Had just gotten done. Moving all this irrigation pipe, and we were driving around the orchard where we had moved this. When I talk about this irrigation pipe, it was about two miles of irrigation pipe, so it was a considerable job that took several hours to accomplish. So anyway, we were driving around the orchards. We had all these ranch roads that kind of dissected the orchard into forty acre parcels. So we're driving around, the three of us in this old Chevy pickup branch pikub.

12:59 As. I came to the end of one field and made a right turn and was driving along. My brother and Jack said to me they stopped to pick up because we see somebody walking in the orchard, and there shouldn't have been anybody in the orchard. Nobody worked on Sunday night except my brother and Jack and I, my mom and Dad were at home across the property, about about three quarters of a mile home in the ranch house, and so I slowed the pickup down and kind of pulled off the side of the road, and I could look back in the orchard. We could all look back in the orchard about seventy five or one hundred feet, and we could see somebody walking back in the orchard.

13:56 We could only see him from about the waist down because the low hanging limbs and branches of the walnut trees. So as soon as I pulled the truck over and stopped so we could get a better look at what it was back there in the orchard that was walking along, whoever it was and we couldn't identify it at the time, started running. Through the orchard. So I took off and we were kind of paralleling this thing for a while, and Jack and my brother were telling me where this thing was running. And so it was about a quarter mile down to our barns.

14:39 And our shop, and at that point I made a right turn and the orchard from that point the road was very steep, was about twelve fourteen to fifteen degree incline, and they could see this this creature whatever it was, and they said it was pretty good size. It looked like a pretty good sized man. Didn't know what it was running through the orchard. What we thought it was was an escaped convict, like a trustee that lived in the Department of Forestry of firefighting camp, which was about a mile and a half as the crow would fly from our ranch. There were no fences there were. They had people working there that were forestry personnel. They kind of kept track of these people, but since there was no there were no fences, these people could wander off.

15:41 We thought it was one of those people. We'll be back with more Bigfoot Society after these words from our sponsors. That had escaped and was running through the orchard. And so anyway, we went up. I drove the truck up up this ranch road and it's pretty steep, and we got there was an owner's property, an owner's house up the halfway up this hill, and we went about one hundred or two hundred yards past that, and we stopped at a point where we thought we were going to intersect with this person that we thought it must be a person that was running through the orchard, so we stopped the truck.

16:28 We all got out. All three of us got out, and we're just waiting on the side of the road, and we're kind of standing by the right front fender of the pickup, and we could hear this thing coming through the orchard, but we couldn't see it because of the trees, and it sounded like a horse running through the orchard. It was bipedal, But the sound of this thing breathing, it sounded just. Like my horse. My brother and I both had or and just sounded like them when they were breathing heavily. And so we just waited there and waited there until finally we saw what this thing was is it came out of the It came out of the orchard, and as it came up higher in the orchard, the soil was not as good as soil, and so the trees were not nearly as big of trees as a down lower on them on the hill. And so when this came out of the trees, we could see that it was about seven to seven and a half feet tall, probably weighed in the neighborhood of five hundred, five hundred and fifty pounds or more. And this thing was clamping along at probably about a four foot stride, and it was it had been running through an area that had been pre that

18:02 had just been irrigated, so it was very very deep in muddy, and then above that it had been cultivated about twelve or fourteen inches deep, and this thing was running through that stuff at a pretty good pace. And I've at about what I consider about a. Three to four foot stride, which is more than any man I think could do in that heavy mud, that in that steep grade. And is this saying kept getting closer to us. We got a real good look at this thing. And this particular creature is not the kind I listened to other podcasts where people describe these sasquatch creatures as having a shoulder of up to four to five feet.

18:55 But this creature wasn't like that. This creature was tall seven seven and a half feet tall, very heavy, but very muscular, but not. Widen the shoulders like that. And as this thing got closer to us, why it when it kind of turned to look directly at us, it had to kind of turn its body, didn't Its head looked like this. It looked like the shoulders kind of went from the edge of the tip of the shoulders up to where the ears might be on the skull. It just looked like you know what I would at the time. It looked like, you know, some of the football players that I would see on TV, I guess.

19:38 But this thing kind of grinned at us as it came closer. Didn't show us any teeth, just grinned at us. And it never slowed down. It never made any any threatening gesture toward us. It had its facial features look like that of an Indian, so it had a humanoid kind of facial features, was covered in hair head, it had a it had a round head, didn't have a conical head, there was not Uh. It had a heavy brow ridge the forehead. The hairline came down within maybe an inch or two of the brow line. Uh. There was no hair on his face, on its neck and under its ears, and and I couldn't even see its ears.

20:41 And uh. As this thing came up the hill passes, uh, my brother and Jack wanted to get back in the truck, and they wanted to get the hell out of there because this thing scared them. I have no idea why I wanted to stick around and watch this thing go by. But once it went by, us and continued up the hill. We got back on the truck and we waited a little bit, just maybe a minute or so, watched this thing as it kept going up the hill, and it didn't have to go much further up the hill until it intersected another four way intersection of our ranch roads. And so I started to pick up up and I started up the hill in this old forty one Chevy, and it made.

21:25 A lot of racket. It had a straight pipe, no muffler, and this thing we're grinding up the We're not talking about a muscle car here. This is old forty one Chevy with a little stick cylinder, and we were grinding up the hill, and this thing made a lot of transmission noise. And so when this thing got to the creature got to the intersection of the at the top of the hill where these four ranch roads came together, while it turned and tried to look back at where we were coming up the hill, and in order to to do that, it had to torq its body completely around because it didn't seem to be able to turn its neck, and so it went across the intersection that went into it kind of entered another section forty acre section of walnut trees, and it kind of crossed that section at a diagonal and that part of the orchard was pretty flat for a couple of hundred yards, and then it dropped off in what I would think is about fourteen or fifteen degree downhill slope. So I had to drive all the way around on these ranch roads to try to keep in sight of this thing. And so the more that we tried to keep up with it, the more this thing started to run. And as it was running down

22:57 this hill through the orchard, I would estimate that it was running at about twenty five or thirty miles an hour, and its stride at that point was maybe ten ten fifteen feet or something like that. And when we finally got down to the hill, this thing crossed the road that we were on, never looked at us, never gave us a glance at that point, ran across the road in front of us, and it ran across that road into the property of a neighbor who also had a walnut orchard. They didn't nobody lived there at the time, but they had some barns and some equipment sheds, and this creature ran in between the barns and their equipment shed, and then ran another one hundred yards or so, and at thet where the walnut orchard met the brush line and the tree line, this thing just charged into the brush and the brush was maybe fifteen eighteen feet high.

24:09 It just went through that brush like a bulldozer, never even slowed down. And at that point we lost we lost track of this creature. So my brother and Jack and I had a conversation about whether or not we're going to tell my dad about this encounter. And we had lobbied my dad pretty hard for about a month to let us take on this job of moving the irrigation bike. We made good money. He paid us. He paid us what he paid those guys that never showed up or drank on the job and did a bad job he made. He paid us just as well as he paid those guys. And so we didn't want to lose that job. It was a great job. It was better than doing other jobs on the ranch that we didn't like to do. So we decided that we wouldn't that we wouldn't tell my dad. And I failed to mention that the time of the time of the year that this was was in late July of nineteen fifty eight, and the deer season in Lake County opens up the first Saturday of August every year. And so when I started carrying a Winchester rifle and our ranch truck,

25:43 I just told my dad, I said, if I see a deer out here, you know, while we're changing pipe, and I can get a good shot at a deer, you know, I'll shoot it. And I was going to shoot a deer, but that's not the reason I was carrying that rifle, because I was afraid that thing was going to come back. I really, I really didn't know what it was that I saw. I had never heard anybody in my circle of family or friends. I never heard anybody ever talk about a creature that was over seven feet tall, covered in hair, bipedal, you know, never never heard anything that would even lead me to believe. I never heard the word sasquatch or bigfoot.

26:34 That never had entered my vocabulary. Never heard anybody talk about that. And so as we continued on through the summer, move an irrigation pipe and working in the orchard at night, we had these headlights like they were like a head lantern, powered by a six folt battery small six folt battery kind of like a miner would wear in a in a mining tunnel or something. And I can tell you that all summer long, while it was out there in the dark, I always felt like I was being watched. Maybe it was just my imagination, but I would I would sometimes the the feeling of being washed just was soberpowering that I would look around with my headlight to see my headlamp to see if I could see if there was anything out.

27:28 There watching me. And I never, I never, I never could never saw anything that was that was out there in the dark with us. But it most certainly spooked us. But we decided that we weren't going to tell my dad because we didn't we thought that he would think that it might be too dangerous for us little guys to be out there in the dark, and so you know, we didn't want to lose our job. So anyway, fast forward about a year and my dad. My dad subscribed to a publication called True Magazine, and one of the publications, and I think it was nineteen fifty nine.

28:18 Was about the. Episode encounter I guess you will, of a guy by the name of Jerry Crew, and Jerry Crew was a bulldozer operator over in Humboldt County. I think it's Humboldt County, might be Dell nort County, but anyway, it's up in what is now a Bigfoot country in the Trinity, what's called the Trinity Alps. It's a very rugged part of northern California. It borders the Oregon California border. And Jerry Crew as a bulldozer operator, he worked for a company that had a contract with some logging companies to build some logging roads back in in the area surrounding Willow Creek and Willow Creek is if you visit there is certainly steeped in a lot of Bigfoot mythology. And there's a there's a big redwood tree that's been carved by somebody with a chainsaw into a great big sasquatch.

29:29 And there's a museum there. And if you go into the restaurant, the menu is all kinds of full of all kinds of bigfoot menu choices, you know. And uh So, anyway, crewe And is lived over in the Sacramento Valley area somewhere. So on the on Friday night he would go home, and so he would when he came back to work on Monday to fire up his cat, the Bulldozer, and Bill Rhodes he started seeing these big barefoot tracks in the powdery dirt roads that they were, you know, the logging roads that they were building.

30:15 And so they they made I think they made a plaster. Cast of these footprints, and at some point they contacted some people in Eureka, California. There was it's close by, maybe fifty sixty miles away, I guess, and at the newspaper, the local newspaper, and and I think one of the editors or the editor of that newspaper was retired from the Los Angeles Times. We'll be back with more Bigfoot Society after these words from our sponsors.

31:01 And. Kind of thought that the story that Jerry Crew told him about these big footprints that he saw all over the construction site, you know, and the plaster cast that he brought to him, I think, and kind of dismissed it as a kind of an odd story, maybe. Not too believable. But then after about a week or so or some time went by, he the editor picked up this, picked up the story and then published it, and eventually it made its way. That story made its way through a lot of different newspapers throughout California, throughout the United Western United States, I guess, and eventually it ended up in True Magazine. So my dad had been reading this article about all the stuff that Jerry Crew had been reporting, and so I saw that. I saw that, you know what my dad was reading. So they had they had a kind of a sketch of what this thing look like.

32:14 And when I saw the sketch, then I knew what I saw. I remembered back a year before or so, and what I saw in True Magazine is what I saw on the ranch that night at Sunday night in the latter part of July of fifty eight. And so. I never we still never told my dad. So it was maybe a year or so later, maybe in the next year why my dad had gotten contacted by his younger brother. And my uncle was the general manager of a four thousand acre sheep ranch in Sonoma County out it was out within I think it was in about within about eighteen or twenty miles of the of the Pacific coast, and this little town of Kualala and some other places out there, very small, very small place. Anyway, my uncle had invited my dad and some other friends of his out on the sheep ranch to go wild hog hunting. So my dad was out there for three or four days and he shot this This big hog is about maybe four hundred and fifty pounds, and so he brought home these big slabs of pork and each

33:46 weighed I don't know, seventy five eighty pounds, maybe hundred pounds, I don't know. So he brought these big slabs of pork home. Not sure what we were going to do with one hundred and fifty two hundred pounds of pork, but anyway, brought it home and. At night the first night that he was home. Why we had these. On the back of our house farmhouse, we had these big meat hooks that my dad had kind of screwed into the ends of the roof rafters. And so when we. Would kill deer on the ranch, after we had dressed out the deer, we would hang the deer out at night on the back of the house. Well that's what he did with these big slabs of this wild fog they'd killed. He hung these big slabs up there on these meat hooks. Well, these hooks were about eleven feet off the ground, and my dad was only about five five eight five eight and a half, so in order to hang those those slabs of pork meat up there, he had to get on a step ladder. So the first night he hung the things up there, and in the morning he took him down. They wrapped him up in some old bedcloths and put them in a sleeping bag and put them underneath their bed where it was nice and cool. The following night they take them out from underneath the bed, take them out of the sleeping bag,

35:18 hang them out at night. So they planned to do that for about three nights. So on the third night, my dad hangs the meat out there, and the following morning, day four, he goes out there to take his wild hog meat off the back of the house and it's missing. So my dad comes in and I think my brother and I are sitting there eating breakfast or something, and he asked us, did you do something with the meat on the back of the house. Answer is no, we couldn't. Even we were just little guys. We couldn't lift that stuff.

35:58 You know. He got a So anyway, my dad toldy, says go get He says, I bet the dogs got it, I said, Dad, we don't have a single We had about four or five dogs. I said, we don't have any dogs that can jump eleven feet. Not even if they got up on the porch and jumped up there, they wouldn't be able to I said, and buy they you know, and if a dog were to grab it, or a coyote. We had coyotes, no wolves in Lake County, just coyotes. I said, if a coyote got it, they would just rip it off of there and probably try to eat it right there and just make a great big mess. So anyway, he made Dad asked me to go get all the dogs. So I get, I go and get all We had about four or five dogs. So I go get all the dogs, and I'd bring them around there, and that area by the back steps of our house, near where that meat was hanging, those dogs would not would not come even close to that. You you could grab them by their collar, and in order to get them over there that area, you'd have to drag them.

37:07 And these dogs were clearly not willing to even come anywhere close to the back of that house. And there was Those dogs made no sound at night. They didn't usually anybody that would come around, they would bark like crazy. But you know, in the summertime, we didn't have any air conditioning way back in the late fifties, so we slept with all the windows open, so if the dogs were going to bark, you're going to hear them. And so I knew. I was pretty sure what it was in my mind that came and took that meat off the back of the house. But we still my brother.

37:48 And I never never said a word about any of our experiences or any of our account counters with Bigfoot. About two years ago, I located my old friend Jack and he he had he had liver and colon cancer, and he was very, very sick. And I was very sad to hear that because I tried. I finally located located him after all those years and tracked him down through friends, and I wanted to talk to him about what he remembered on the day we saw that sasquatch in the orchard, And I asked him if he if he would tell me what his recollection of that time was, and he told me that he said norm he said, I'm just too sick and too weak to even try to talk about it, and so he died about three weeks later, four weeks later, and I never got to talk to him about about his experiences on that day when my brother and he and I, you know, saw that creature coming out of the orchard. So anyway, there

39:19 was there was an episode on another podcast and they there was a guy by the name of Mike Woolley had an episode or an encounter, I think it was up in the state of Washington. And so they posted a picture of what his sasquatch looked like, his encounter looked like, and it was exactly what I saw. It was the it was the face of an This creature had the face of an Indian. It looked like it didn't look like the d Indians from my neck of the woods there in Lake County or in that part of the of California. It looked more like the Indians that you would see in the plains in the plain in the Plain States Nebraska, you know, Kansas of South Dakota, Montana, Wyoming, those kind of those kinds of people, and and so that you know, and so later when I read about this lady by the name of Melbo Ketchum, who is a has a DNA lab in Texas. I think she is herself a veterinarian, and she claims that from some

40:52 hair samples and some other tissue samples that she may have collected from a dozen or more sources around the United States, she claims that the mitochondrial part of the DNA, the female side of the DNA, showed. A human female, but. On the male side of the DNA it was undetermined. So it got me to thinking about how closely the sasquatch creatures, some of them might be to humans to be able to possibly crossbreed with age with a male sasquatch and a female.

41:45 Human. So it just there's no proof of that, I think, other than what Melmaketchum says that she determined through her DNA testing. And of course she is a very controversial person because she was not not successful in getting her study published than any peer peer to peer group publication, and so it it she she was criticized very heavily and h and so a lot of people. Some people believe that her DNA testing is accurate, while other people discount it all together. I know that there are people like Kathy Strain and her husband Bob, her husband Bob, I think, is a retired firefighter. Kathy Strain is an anthropologist works for the US Department of Forestry in near Sonora in the in the uh here in Nevada Mountains of California, and she's had encounters with these creatures, as I understand, and you know, written a lot of books where she interviewed a lot of Indian tribes across the nation.

43:15 So it just depends, I guess, on what Indian tribes that you might talk to. Some of them refer to them as cannibals, these sasquatch, creators, creaters, creatures. Other talk about these creatures as people, and so there's a wide range of And I know that the Indians up in British Columbia have a lot of contact with these things as well, so they're it's an interesting it's an interesting situation where we see these things, people report them, yet we can find no evidence that the physical evidence that they exist other than maybe the hair samples and the scat and so maybe skin tissue or something that Melbae Catchem came into possession of. But I know what I saw, you know what my brother and I saw, and nobody can convince me that that creature is not flesh and blood and real.

44:34 Absolutely, mister Black, That's that's an incredible story. That's my story that. Wow, thank you for sharing that. There's a lot to unpack from that. I do have a few questions for you in a few minutes, but it's just there's a few observations I had from your story. So it's like, you know, happens back in you said fifty eight before the Jerry Crewe incidents, which happened up in Bluff Creek, which is about five and a half to six hours north of where Lake County is, I believe, And then you were talking about Sonoma County to the west, that's about maybe two and a half hours where you had the issue with the wild hogs. So that's just so people can picture that in their minds where all this happened.

45:24 But about the creature that you saw back there in Lake County, do you remember anything specific about the arms of the creature at all? This thing. When it when it was walking, the arms were swinging and and the hands were down down where the down by his knees. We'll be back with more Bigfoot Society after these words from our sponsors. And his knees were not in the same spot is our knees. Their knees are lower on their legs. And when they walk, they don't walk like we do. And they have this kind of kind of when people walk, you know, or even if they run, they're bobbing up and down, but not these creatures.

46:24 They don't do that. And if you look at what Roger Patterson and Bob Gimlin saw down. In Bluff Creek. You know Patty how she walked, That's how this creature walked, just kind. Of glided along. And unlike Patty, who looked like she had a pretty bad injury to her right leg, this creature that we saw look perfectly healthy to me and was going through the orchard at a at. A pace that no man could even begin to keep up with.

47:08 Was there was the creature wearing any clothes or no clothes? Was their hair on the body? Any details? I did know? I did notice a San Francisco forty nine or baseball cap. Okay, I'm just. Kidding, just kidding, you never know, just kidding, just kidding. I was a forty nine er fan when I grew up as a kid. But no, no clothes, no nothing, just just hair and uh, you know it just I could not see its ears. I don't know if these things got big ears, little ears, no ears, I don't know what they I don't know what they have. I noticed one of the things I noticed when it when it when it grinned, but it didn't show teeth. Uh, is how wide the mouth was. I mean, it's I mean.

48:04 It's the the opening for the mouth is way larger. Than a human being. And uh, there was just you know, there were just when I saw this picture that was sketched out by I don't know who who who sketched it out, but it was on this Mike Woolley encounter on another podcast. That's that's what That's what clinched it for me. You know when I saw that picture, uh you know. Uh in uh in the.

48:46 I can't remember where I saw that picture. I guess I missed. Maybe I saw that on the on the podcast itself, as I think that's where I saw that. But the sketch that I saw in True magazine was very similar to what I saw, but more hair on the face, but it was similar enough that I knew that that's what I had seen. That what I saw was a big Foot. Also, after the incident in Lake County, did you ever go back and try to look at at any of the tracks that were left close up anything like that.

49:34 Well, you know, yeah, we tried to. We tried, we tried to see, you know, what these tracks look like. But we're talking PLoud ground and we're talking about freshly irrigated. Soil in the orchard, and you just you couldn't. It's just there was just. No way to really get get an accurate idea about a footprint. The foot the footprint, you know, it was about maybe sixteen or seventeen inches long, but the shape of it was because the ground was plowed and other parts of the orchard where it came through that we looked it was it had been irrigated, and it was muddy.

50:25 You just couldn't tell. You couldn't tell the. Sasquash was sinking into the mud and into the plowed ground at least at least a foot and underneath that was just hard, hard, hard dirt. And so there was really no you couldn't get an you couldn't get a good picture as to the shape of the of the footprint. You just couldn't. Yeah, absolutely, something that heavy would definitely be sinking down, especially in an area where there's irrigation happening. That's such a such a very interesting encounter. Did you ever hear of any sightings in from neighbors around that area or hear of any other people in that area talking about seeing things as well?

51:19 No, not a soul, Yeah, not a soul. Later later in life, I I joined the California Highway Patrol and some of the guys I worked with in Los Angeles transferred up to the Mount Shasta area, and so I I I after after I had retired from the Highway Patrol, I started tracking down. I started thinking about this encounter that I had, you know, I started listening to some podcasts about sasquash. So I tracked down some of my my old workmates from my Highway Patrol days down in Los Angeles, and these guys were retired, but they had retired from up there by Mount Shasta, and they told me all kinds of stories about some of the encounters that some of those guys had, and.

52:21 They never not one of them ever saw the creature. All that they saw. They saw footprints in the roads. One guy told me that they had a they had a big fire up there, a big brush fire up up in the area where he was working up in Modoc I think it was either Lassen or Modoc County. And so they were the fire was being driven by about thirty mile an hour wind. So I mean every living creature, mountain, lion, sasquatch, deer, you name it, raccoon, whatever, they were all running for their life to try to outrun the fire. And they were using airplanes to try to control the fire. And so they're dropping this fiery tardant, which is roughly about eight thousand gallons of water with all this red and purple fire retardant. So a lot of the areas along that were the road where these state highways two lane state highways kind of dissected this area where this big fire was. While these highway patrol guys that I knew, they saw footprints, muddy footprints that went across the state highway and the highway was oh, probably sixty feet wide or something like that paved area with the shoulders and

53:51 everything about sixty feet wide, and they said that these footprints from what they thought was a sasquatch, they cleared that that you know, that roadway and in about three steps, so a very a very large animal leaving a very large footprint and cleared a very wide. Road in just a few steps. Yeah, so they're out there. They're out there. And I talked to some highway patrolmen that worked up in this area called Trucky it's between it's right on the Nevada California line, and they have a big truck inspection facility there, the highway patrol, and these guys said that they see they see these things all the time crossing the road. And uh, but you never hear anybody talking about it, because nobody talks about bigfoot. If you want to get promoted on the job, or if you don't want to be criticized and made fun of, you don't you don't talk about bigfoot. I don't here if you've seen them, taking pictures of them, have proof of them.

55:04 Nobody talks to nobody that I ever knew, except the very few people that I do know that worked up in those areas that I thought might have had an encounter, and some of them did come into contact with some some evidence that those things exist, like footprints, wet footprints across the road. Nobody's talking about that stuff. Oh absolutely. And I've actually taken a gentleman called in one day with a I believe it was a sighting from the Trucky area. The ones you were talking about, are those recent or. No, these are these were probably twenty twenty five years sure.

55:47 Yeah, but now those guys, those guys, those guys went on the highway patrol back in the sixties with me and. We're all retired. Ah gotcha gets So they're just they're just they're just recounting old memories of their days when they worked up there. Absolutely, and the Mount Shasta I mean, if you go to Bigfoot Encounters dot Com and you go into the California Encounters area, listeners can definitely do that. There's some wild encounters from Mount Shasta, that whole region. If you look into it, you could just go rabbit trails upon rabbit trails, of hidden treasure and Bigfoot and people disappearing.

56:28 There's a lot of stories. Yeah, there's a lot of stories about the sasquatchs that live in the mountain. Really, you know, I don't know how, I don't know. How they transport themselves back and forth from inside to outside. I don't know, but there are you know, the. Indians tell the Indians that live up in that area tell stories, I guess of you know these creatures that live in the mountain. That is It's true, there's a whole Uh, there is a supposedly a whole civilization that lives inside Mount Shast.

57:08 I've always wanted to talk to someone who's had encounters there. If you're listening and you have experienced stuff around Mount Shast, to reach out to me, please, mister Black. This has been incredible. There are there's a question I like to ask now, and I asked this to everyone. It's a left field one, but and it doesn't have to do with Bigfoot, but sometimes it hits. Sometimes it doesn't. In your experience in California all the other places you've been, have you ever heard of anyone seeing any creatures that would look like a hyena? Look like a one like a hyena?

57:53 A hyena? Yeah? No, okay, cool, all right. I mean like a dog man or something like that. Yes, some people would call it a dog man, but some people actually are seeing what they're saying looks like an actual African hyena. No, you know, there's I know I've listened to some podcasts where some game wardens and some forestry people shot one of those things with a forty five three times and. It had no effect on that thing. It just it just kind of snarled at him and then just kind of ran off. I've read about him, I've heard him talk about on a podcast. I have never I don't know anybody that's ever seen anything like that, and I've never seen anything like that myself.

58:52 It's weird stuff. Some people have seen them, some haven't. But you never know what's out there in the woods. You've had it, just. Like the Skinwalker Ranch. Oh man, if you've looked in a Skinwalker ranch, then you know about the supposed dire wolves and the Bigfoot going through the portals out there. And I mean there's some wild history in that area for sure. Yeah. Now they're drilling down. They drilled down in part of the ranch and they hit something about ninety feet or something. They hit something metallic. It's it's weird stuff for sure. In the Lake County, California area. Were there any other events of high strangeness that would happen besides Bigfoot that you noticed or was Bigfoot the main thing that was happening out there in Lake County.

59:47 That was I never knew anybody that had an encounter. If there was other people that had an encounter, nobody was talking to me about it. And the only the only three people that I know that ever saw anything that was my brother who was killed in a oil well explosion in Wyoming in nineteen seventy eight. And then my friend. Jack that died about a couple of years ago, and he was too just too sick and too ill to even talk about it. I was really hoping that I was could have a conversation with him, But by the way, I didn't know that he was. I didn't know that he was as sick as he was, and so, you know, I was I kind of lost an opportunity there to kind of go down memory lane about you.

1:00:39 Know, because people see things differently. We'll be back with more Bigfoot society after these words from our sponsors. You know, And maybe there were, And I was, and I was hoping that he would have noticed some features of that creature that I I didn't see, you know, And I was mostly focused on the face and this thing grinning at us. It was creepy. That really creeped us out. When that thing just looked. At us, and it came within about fifty or seventy five feet from us, and we were on a ranch road, but separating us from the orchard was a drainage ditch that was about, I want to say, about maybe twenty feet wide and about fifteen or sixteen feet deep. We felt pretty comfortable that this thing wasn't going to jump over there and get us.

1:01:45 And again, it never. Made any movement, aggressive movement at all. It just it just looked over at these three little kids, these you know, pre teenage kids, and just grinned and just. Kept on going it it It never slowed down. And matter of fact, it as a as a as it went up to the top of the hill and went over the other side, it picked up speed, a lot of speed. I never see anything run. I never saw anything run run like that. I mean, this thing, this thing was keeping up with a pickup and I it it was.

1:02:29 It was something. Uh, you know, all these years i've you know, I can I can just picture it in my mind. It really had a lasting effect on me and I and I forgot about it. I kind of put it away in my mind for a long long time. And uh, and Uh. Never, because you know, if I didn't hear anybody else talking about it, I wasn't going to be the first to talk about it because you know, people would just I didn't want to be. The brunt of a bunch of jokes, you know. And and I think my dad was interested in it, especially after he read the True Magazine article. But I thought for sure that when those two slabs of pork were taken off the back rafters of our house, I thought, I thought for sure my dad would probably you know, put two and two together. But it didn't seem like didn't seem like he did. He just kind of dismissed it.

1:03:34 It was just a mystery that he couldn't solve. And uh, and I and in the in the back there were that where the where they hung the meat it was it was concrete, and then my mom's clothesline was back there and that was all gravel, so there were no there were no footprints that we could see, so, you know, we just kind of struck out that way. Was that was that time that you saw the big foot in Lake County? Was that the weirdest thing that you've seen in your life? Then I would imagine, oh, yeah, yeah, that that's that's that's.

1:04:14 Number one, you know. And and you know, I remember three or four years ago, I lived in Tennessee, Middle Tennessee. Now we've lived here back in Tennessee here for about sixteen years. And I wanted to buy a pickup and I found one in West Virginia. And so when I when I drove up to West Virginia with my wife to pick up my truck, I saw as I was as I was driving through West Virginia, I was, I was all these stories that I'd heard on these podcasts about all the bigfoot sightings that they see in West Virginia. I was looking down in every every holler. I was looking all over, I was, I was. I was just looking all over the countryside.

1:05:11 I was sure. I was sure that I was going to see a big foot up there. But no, I didn't say any big foot up there either, But I guess that's bigfoot country up there, that in Ohio and Washington and Oregon. Well that in I mean, some of the craziest reports I've ever taken have been from Middle Tennessee. It's it's pretty wild. I mean, I would I would keep my eyes out where you are, you'll probably hear some crazy stuff someday if you listen to people talking in the right areas, for sure. But there's a guy that lives in Nashville. His name is Dave Dave Eller, and he.

1:05:54 Is a he's a bigfoot investigator, and he draws a one hundred mile circle around Nashville and he talks about all the craziness that he sees out in these woods. I live in Putnam County, and I've looked at the BFRO website and other website to see where if there's any big footing sightings in Putnam County. It's a pretty large county here in middle Tennessee, and we're surrounded by hundreds of thousands of acres of just undeveloped forest land.

1:06:35 And there are no sightings in Putnam County. But if you go south of Putnam County into White County and. Warren County, then you start seeing. On these bigfoot maps where people have seen and spotted these creatures out there. Hopefully this will connect. Sorry about that. We had some weird tech issues come out of nowhere, but yeah, we're back. Sorry about that, sir. Yeah, Tennessee's got his fair share over in the Smoky Mountains.

1:07:19 You know, there's you know Dave Politi's He's written over there in his four to one one books about you know, you know, little children, you know, out in the field, playing under the supervision of their parents. They look away for a second or two, and next thing you know, their kids are gone and there's not a trace. They mount a big man hunt and nobody can find them. Yeah, the whole Dennis Martin case is wild. I believe it's probably what it is. You know, So it leads me to believe that these creatures can can camouflage and hide in plain sight. You know. People think they may be looking at a tree or a stump or a rock or a bush, you know, and they just don't know what they're looking at, and they can't you know. Some strange some strange stuff is there's a lot of things about this this earth that we can't explain.

1:08:18 Oh, I I agreed. Along the rest of your life, did you ever get to a point where you're like, you know what, I'm actually going to go out and look for Bigfoot myself or was there no desire ever to do that? No, I was, I was gonna I was going to try to track down Dave Eller down here in Nashville to see if I could go out with him wherever he goes and and see if we can come up with with some encounters. And because I don't know if the Sasquatch ritters that they're seeing in this neck of the woods look anything like what uh you know we we I saw out in California. I know, the stuff they see down in the in the big thicket parts of Texas. They look more like uh, you know apes.

1:09:19 They got the face of an ape, I guess. And yeah, so they're you know, and they're reporting that some of these creatures have three. Toes, four toes, five toes. You know. I don't know if that's interbreeding problems. I don't know what causes that, you know. And and I was gonna I was going to say to you that there's a there's a mountain resort in eastern Tennessee called. McCloud Mountain, McCloud Mountain Lodge, and. A few years back my wife and I took my wife to that lodge. It sits up on top of this mountain and you can look out over Norris Lake and all. It's pretty close to the Kentucky border, and so we spent the night up there. It's really a beautiful, beautiful place and beautiful rooms, great food. So the next day when we left, as I noticed that I didn't see I didn't really pay attention when we pulled into the into the compound where this lodge is, but it's got about a fourteen foot wall all around the uh, the lodge, And I thought that is kind of why would they have like a twelve or fourteen foot wall high wall around around this place that just and on

1:10:52 the and on the face of the of the of the lodge, on the on the part of all the buildings where all the windows are. It's just a sheer drop off of just hundreds and hundreds of feet, you know. So it's it sits right on the edge of this cliff. So anyway, we're leaving the lodge, I notice the walls. Makes me wonder. And as I go through. The the exit, I see this little sign. And by the way, there's no on the on. The road that goes from this little town of La Foyette or something like that, all the way to the top of the mountain. Nobody lives up there. You got to go clear the top of the mountain before you see two or three cabins plus this lodge, and that's it.

1:11:43 There's just there's nothing. There's nothing up there, hardly, just a few little cabins. So anyway, go out the gate on our way home, I see this sign. It says something like overlook or something like that. And it's it's got an narrow pointing to the right. So I thought, okay, well we'll go. Let's go drive over and see what this overlook looks like. So we drive out there about half a mile and the paved road starts to get pretty iffy, and then it goes to dirt, and then it goes it got to the point where it was actually a four wheel drive road. So I keep going and I finally find this this place called the overlook, and it's a.

1:12:32 Part of the top of this mountain. It is solid granite, and and I'm not sure who did it, but they built all these wooden walkways with handrails all over the top of the of this top of this of this. Granite kind of part of the top of this mountain. And it was about I would say that the area that this walkway covered wash maybe. Three or four acres pretty good size. So anyway, we get we take some pictures, and we get back in the truck and we're headed back out to the road that goes down that mountain when and my wife is looking at her Facebook page and sending pictures to all her friends. So I'm driving out here, and I just I was going really slow because it's I had to be in four wheel drive to get out of this thing, big deep ruts and all this stuff.

1:13:36 And I looked off to my. Left and and I see a tree formation that just looks odd. So I stopping back up. And I look at it, and I thought, this looks like a Sasquatch trail marker that I've read about. So I got out and I walked over to it, and there was there was a footpath, pretty well worn footpath that went from the area next to the road, this dirt road, four wheel drive road, and it kind of went up the up the side of this really steep part of the hill.

1:14:18 I don't I don't think I. Could have walked up it. Uh, it was that steep, but it was well worn, it had a lot of foot traffic on it. And and so right next to this path there was a sapling, a pine sapling about I want to say, about three inches in diameter, and about from where the tree came out of the ground up to where it had been twisted and then snapped. And I looked at that and I thought, that doesn't happen in nature. And I looked around at other trees, and there no other damage trees next to it at all.

1:14:59 And then down below. It, about five or six feet there was another sapling that was about I want to say the tree was about twenty five maybe maybe thirty feet long, and it had been bent into an arc. And then the top of the tree was jammed down into the into the ground, and then there was there was nothing else holding the tree. It was just the top of the tree jammed into the dirt it and it held that tree in a perfect arc. That doesn't happen in nature either. That's some that is some wild stuff.

1:15:40 Wow. Yep. So I got home. I got home later that it's about a two and a half hour drive over there from where we live. We'll be back with more Bigfoot Society after these words from our sponsors. And it's all just really little bitty farms here. And there, really really old farm buildings, some of them built on rock foundations. Have you ever seen that where they build the old houses way back in the eighteen hundreds, they the foundation is they built. They put the wooden structure on top of rocks. They use that for a foundation.

1:16:24 Oh yeah, absolutely, yeah, I've seen that. Yeah you see. Okay, yeah, we've all seen that stuff. So anyway, that's kind of what's back there. Wow. And these little. Towns are kind of small and you know, so it's just kind of remote up there on top of McLoud Mountain. So anyway, I drive home and the next day. I get on the computer and I track down this guy, Bob's Strain, and I come up with his wife, Kathy Strain, and it tells all about her that she's an anthropologist. She works for the US Department of Forestry and when they when they are in the National Forest and they come upon Indian remains, then that's her Bailey Wick. She works with the Indian tribes to do whatever the Indian tribe wants wants to do with those bones, you know, take them someplace, bury them someplace, you.

1:17:20 Know, reburying. I don't know whatever they do. But that's but because of because of her job, and because she's out in the forests all the time, in pretty remote parts of the California forest, she she's come into contact with these things, and so she was so I called, so I sent her a messenger. I didn't know what her phone number was, I didn't know what her email address was, but I found her on the Facebook and Messenger, so I sent her. I sent her a picture of this thing, and I said, what is this? And she rode right back within maybe half an hour or so and said, Oh, that's a Sasquatch trail marker.

1:18:05 Where is that? And I said McLoud Mountain in East Tennessee, and she said, yeah, they're just marking the trail. And so that's kind of what. So as I drive around Tennessee, and I'm a motorcyclist, even at I'm seventy nine, and I'm still riding the motorcycles, you know, but I rode them all my life on the highway patrol Adam as I was a kid. Can't get motorcycles out of my blood. So we got beautiful backcountry roads here. The roads are well paved, they go out in the middle of nowhere, and I'm always looking for any kind of.

1:18:50 Tree structure that just looks odd. The road that I live on. Has about twelve houses on it, and it's about not quite a mile long, and it dead ends. It dead ends up the hill from me, and from that point on, it's about fifteen thousand acres of nothing but undeveloped woods. The only thing that goes through that fifteen thousand acres is an underground high pressure propane line that goes from Nashville to Knoxville, and it's buried underground, but there's a big clearing on, you know, so they can have access to go in there and work on that line if they have to. And I take my four wheeler and I go back in there. And I have looked all over that place back there, looking for any kind of weird signs of anything, and I have yet to find it.

1:19:53 But I'm going to dig up Dave Eller's I'm going to see if I can figure out how to a hold of him. I know that they just. Had a bigfoot conference down in nick Menville, YEP, which is about an hour and twenty minutes from my house. And I didn't know it, or I would have been there because Ella was there. Who's the guy with the Sierra Sounds. Ron Morehead, yep, Ron Morehead, he was there and a bunch of other people were there. Oh, you're talking about the ten wild Man Conference.

1:20:34 Yeah, it just. Happened that supposedly over the weekend. Yeah, there are a lot of Really, you need to go next year if you can make it, because the people there are all fantastic people. I've met a lot of them and they are just great individuals. These aren't people that are delusional, no, you know, these aren't people making up stories. You know. Ron Moorehead tells pretty spooky stories about were they. He was up there with those people and they they went inside this tree or something and somebody it wasn't them that made it, but it was already there, and they went up and it was kind of like this camping spot up in the Sierra Mountains. And they were back miles and miles back in there, and almost immediately when they got back there, they heard tree knocks and whooping and hollering and carrying on all night until.

1:21:34 It got down. It got down right in their campsite, and they took refuge in this hollowed out tree and somebody had created this. Out of logs or something. That were chained together, they could make make this little fortress in this hollowed out tree, and they all got in there to protect themselves because I guess there was some pretty aggressive stuff going on out in their campsite. And that's some pretty spooky stuff. But do you.

1:22:15 Believe that our government knows all about these creatures? Oh? Totally, absolutely. They know more about these They know more about these things than anybody on the planet. Probably. I wouldn't be surprised if they actually got one in captivity. Dude. I've heard some wild stuff and it's like, if there's all the UFO stuff and that that's coming out, you know that. I mean, you hear all these stories about stuff around bases or sightings on bases in certain areas, you know that there's there's got to be some bigfoot that are and some people even think that the bigfoot stuff is related to the UFO stuff coming out, And I mean that's an interest.

1:23:01 See all these orbs, these these. These light orbs in the in the forest, you know, and uh, they see all this kind of stuff, and uh, you wonder what the heck is that stuff? You know, It's it's very very interesting because there's no right or wrong answers, and it's like every answer you find leads to ten different questions. And yeah, it's it's crazy stuff. You know. The the Indians, you know, they've they've had relationships with the Kathy Strain's got this book, and I'm you've got a couple of books. I'm I'm gonna go on Amazon and see if I can find them. And uh and because all her all those encounters that she writes about are just the stories told to her by the Indian tribes, the Lakota.

1:23:54 And the you know and the Navajo and the. Patchy and and all those folks. And I think it was either the Navajo or the Apache drove them out of Arizona and drove them back up up and you know, up in the northern Utah and up and there. But you know, there's I mean, I've I've listened to so many credible podcasts where you know, these these helicopter pilots and their observers are out flying, flying these big power lines just to make sure that you know, tree limbs or branches or debris aren't, you know, uh, interfering with the transmission lines. And they're out in the middle of nowhere, you know, out in places that would take you a day or two to hike into. And here's a here's a here's a male sasquatch, mama sasquatch and baby sasquatch just out there in the middle of nowhere, and and uh.

1:25:01 And in some cases these things will stand their ground. Others other times they just run away. You know. It's wow, it's mysterious. It's it's mysterious. And this guy run the Dave Eller down here in Nashville. I I've listened to him on YouTube when he's and he seems to be pretty fearless. And he was talking about on a podcast I listened to recently. He was talking about some place, uh east west of the Nashville out in the out in the woods north of Interstate forty and he came to this place.

1:25:54 He called it a glade, and. It's just a place in the forest where the where the floor of the floor of the of the forest is just solid stone. It's just out in the middle of the forest. Nothing grows there. And he's had a lot of encounters in those areas, and so I, you know, I tried to look up to see if there was any any map on on the Internet that showed where some of these glades might might exist, but I couldn't find anything. But he's had some pretty pretty And there's another place where a lot of bigfoot sightings land between the lakes. Y. Yeah, yes, part of it's in Tennessee, part of it's in Kentucky. It's where the lakes were formed back in the eighteen hundreds when had his big earthquake and the Mississippi River reversed course and created these lakes.

1:27:06 And uh, I even read that it said that the that the that the uh uh earthquake was so severe that it rang the Liberty Bell and in Philadelphia. Now I don't know about that. That's pretty that's a wild one. But that same area is wild one. It's pretty heavy with dog man sightings as well. The whole land between the lakes area. Yeah, Judy and I went in there. We were on our way back from some camping trip out and out maybe in South Dakota somewhere, and we we came through there and we were gonna we and uh we spent the night there in this campground in the land between the lakes. It is an unusual place, and uh, but that was a lot, But I wasn't into bigfoot. I wasn't looking for anything at that time, and I wasn't thinking about that. But later on, when I started listening to this Dave Eller guy, then I thought, Wow, they got a lot of a lot of sightings over there.

1:28:18 And but you got to go out and you got to get away from people and where people normally go, and then you'll, I guess you'll run into these things. I don't know. Oh absolutely, I mean you got to get back back out in the nature, and who knows what you'll find, so be prepared. But mister Black, this has been a awesome chat. It's gone places that I wasn't expecting it to go, and I'm glad it went to all the places it did. But thank you so much for contacting me, and I hope that you stay in touch and with any other interesting things that happened in the next years.

1:29:02 I've got some friends that are retired from the Patrol in California and they live down here in Warren County and they live out in the middle of nothing, and uh, I'm gonna I haven't seen these guys for a couple of months, and I'm gonna I'm gonna see if those guys have seen anything that they're just keeping to themselves, you know, and because they decided that they were going to be you know, they're going to raise some chickens, and they're going to have a goat or. Two, you know, and that kind of thing. And I can't think of anything that might make a good meal then a chicken or a goat, you know, for some of these you know, and and you know, and I've and a lot of my friends here hunt and I think a lot of the people that see these bigfoot are hunters.

1:29:55 And the most fascinating stories. To me are told by hunters who really really tell some kind of bone chilling stories about these critters and how some of those guys have shot those things and they just run off, they don't die. They're shooting them with seven millimeter mags. They're shooting them with all kinds of thirty odd sixes, and they can see the round go through this thing. They can see tree bark or something fly as a bullet goes through them. And these things scream and yell and carry on and just run off and you know, never to be found again. It's just I don't know, if you can kill these things or not.

1:30:43 You know, you know, it's wild. You know, who knows. Maybe some days someone will We'll see. But if you ever run into you any of anyone you're talking to that has any other interesting things to report as well, you can always feel for you to pass on my information. I'd love to talk to him as well, but. I'll do that. I know that. The other night I was listening to this podcast and these two truck drivers, husband and wife, are going up up some They were in Minnesota, and they were traveling along this road up that kind of parallel the Mississippi River, and they see this black Hawk hawk helicopter hovering just above the tree line. And as they continue to drive along in their truck wherever they were.

1:31:30 Going to deliver freight, why this black Hawk kind of increases its elevation and. There's a big cable hanging below the helicopter, and below that is a huge white bag that's attached to the cable to the attached to the bottom of the helicopter. And within just a few minutes of them seeing that, both their cell phones rang and. It was an and it was and there was. A message that said we want to talk to you, and they said they just they just deleted the message from their voice message and they just kept on driving.

1:32:22 Now that's creepy's. That's some wild stuff. You never know what's going to happen, for sure, it's crazy. You got anyway, it's good, good, good talking to you, and thanks for taking the time to listen to my crazy, crazy story. You got it, mister Black. Keep in touch, sir, Thank you for chatting tonight. Hey, good night, and have a good one. Please take a minute to help out the show by subscribing on YouTube, making sure you hit the bell so you don't miss any notifications, and share the episode on YouTube with a friend. Also, if you're listening to us on a podcas cast, thank you so much. Make sure that you're subscribed, share the show with a friend. Really, it's all about sharing the show wherever you can. If you've had a Bigfoot encounter related to the following, or know someone who has, please reach out to me at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com or pass on my email.

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