Nov. 3, 2024

Mr. Black and the Sasquatch (Archive)

Join host Jeremiah Byron and guests as they delve into a series of chilling Bigfoot encounters across various U.S. locations. From eerie encounters in Lake County, California, to mysterious Sasquatch signs in the deep forests of Tennessee, this...

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Season 1

Join host Jeremiah Byron and guests as they delve into a series of chilling Bigfoot encounters across various U.S. locations. From eerie encounters in Lake County, California, to mysterious Sasquatch signs in the deep forests of Tennessee, this episode provides a gripping narrative of unexplained phenomena. Listen to personal accounts of logging tales in the 1980s, a retired Highway Patrol officer's sightings, and an experienced outdoorsman's discoveries at McLeod Mountain Lodge. These stories, full of strange happenings and cryptic sightings, offer a fascinating look into the world of Bigfoot and other cryptids, challenging our understanding of wilderness mysteries.

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Place with my neighbor who was pretty kooky. It was

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probably about nineteen eighty eighty six, or aout in nineteen

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eighty six, I guess that's about when it had happened.

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Just came over to me out of the blue and

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just handed me this book. And I want to know

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if I believed in Bigfoot. So I thought that was

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pretty interesting.

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I would recommember figure out who that guy was.

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Yeah, exactly, you were saying that it was an old

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Oregon lagger that had written that pamphlet about how he

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was had big Foot on his property, or do you

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remember anything about the story that was contained inside the booklet?

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One of this one of the things that he said

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in the booklet, I think it happened. It was it

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had to do with his his first encounter with with Bigfoot,

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and said he.

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He lived up in the.

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Lived up in the woods somewhere in Oregon, and in

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a travel trailer, and there were a lot of logging

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roads up there. I know my wife and I were

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thinking about buying a house up there in Florence Oregon,

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and I and I know, the real estate guy took

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us around and man, we were we were on dirt

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roads and there's just roads everywhere out there, you know

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that they they cut for for for all these logging

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operations that they had going. Anyway, one of the things

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that he was that he talked about early on in this.

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Booklet and it got it got me to thinking.

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About the size of of sasquatch that he said he

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was out for some kind of a little evening stroll

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down one of his logging roads near where he was

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staying in his travel trailer, little travel trailer, and he

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said he stopped to kind of look over the countryside,

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and he and is his eyes were drawn to this

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creature that was standing behind a stump.

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Of a of a large tree that had been cut down.

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And he said this, this creature was standing behind the

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stump and about he could see the He could see

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the creature from the top of his head down to

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about I say, about the middle of his chest and

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the rest of it was concealed by the stump in

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this and so he was looking down downhill through this

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clear cut forest, and.

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So he was watching this thing.

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And then he said he turned his eyes away, and

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he looked back and the thing was gone.

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So at some some.

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Point in the in the you know, shortly after that occurred,

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maybe the next day or something like that, he went

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down to that stump where he had seen that creature.

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And he said he was himself like six two or

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six three, and he stood behind the stump, and the

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top of the stump was maybe a couple of feet

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above the above the top of his head, so it

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made that sasquatch about eleven or twelve feet high.

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And so that's how he kind of opened up in

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the early parts of this book.

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And then he somehow, and I can't remember how, it's

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been so many it's been almost forty years. He made

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friends with this family of sasquatch, and they.

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Took him, took him to what he referred to as

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the fifth.

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Dimension, and he said he could actually look back on

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people in.

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Our dimension, which is a three dimension, third dimension.

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And he had just all kinds of things to say that,

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you know, about that kind of stuff, and it.

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Was just it was pretty far out stuff.

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And and but the guy stood by what he said,

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because I called him up on the phone and asked

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him who he was and he told me who he was,

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and I talked to him for about an hour and

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the guy, the guy was definitely convincing and very sincere

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and didn't sound at all delusional. But you know, it

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just makes you wonder, you know, about maybe what the

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extraterrestrial powers of these things might be. Do all of

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them have these powers or just some of them have

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these powers? It's you know, who knows. It's just, you know,

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something we can talk about and speculate about. But I

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don't know anybody that has ever ever talked to me

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personally about what this old man, this old logger talk

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to me about.

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It's very interesting. So, listeners, if you know what this

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pamphlet is, it's about fifty sixty five pages, and we're

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not sure who the guy's name is. But if you're

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listening and you know what this pamphlet is, let me know.

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You can email me or put it in the YouTube comments,

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and then I'll let mister Black no, because I'm sure,

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I mean, I would like to know. I'm sure he

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would like to know as well. But that's a very

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interesting side story about something that happened during the eighties.

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But to let the listeners know, so you contacted me, sir,

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quite a while ago, and we've been going back and

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forth via email about that you've had an encounter that

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took place in nineteen fifty eight in northern California, and

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we finally gotten to the point where we're able to

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chat about it on the phone and to be able

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to share, so you can share what happened. But I

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first want to say thank you for coming on the

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line tonight to share what happened to you back in

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the fifties. But yeah, I just the floor, as your sir.

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I grew up in northern California in a place called

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Lake County. It's about one hundred and twenty miles north

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of San Francisco in the in the mountains of in

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the It's in the Coastal Mountain Range of California. Lake

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County is surrounded by Napa County on the south, which

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everybody knows is you know, heavily wine country, Sonoma County

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also Wine Country, Mendocino County pretty much the same thing.

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Caloosa County and Glen County and now.

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Lake County.

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When I grew up in the fifties was predominantly walnut orchards,

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pear orchards, cattle and sheep branches, and there was a

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large resort community that surrounded the Clear Lake, which is

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the largest freshwater lake in California. Lake County was very

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arsely populated in the fifties that the population in the

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county was probably about seventeen thousand. And I went to

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high school in Kelseyville and graduated from Kelseyville High and

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my senior class only had forty two students at it.

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So it just gives you an idea how small a

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community and how sparsely populated the county was. My dad

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was during World War two worked for a mining company

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in Clearlake.

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It was a.

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Quicksilver mining operation and they supplied quicksilver, which from that

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you get mercury.

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And so after World War Two he bought some.

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A bulldozer and a pickup and he was clearing land

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for some wealthy ranchers from south in California, and they

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were going to plant walnut orchards in this very brushy.

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Rugged part of Lake County.

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And when my father was done clearing off this one

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piece of land, which was about four hundred acres, they

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asked him if he wouldn't be the general manager and

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be in charge of planning it as a walnut orchard.

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So I grew up on a ranch that was had

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four hundred acres in walnuts, and then it had about

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eight hundred acres and open pasture land where we ran cattle.

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So fast forward to nineteen fifty eight and my brother

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and I listened to my dad talk about how he

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wanted to.

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Irrigate his orchard twenty four hours a day.

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So we hired all these people from surrounding counties and

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cities and towns, and none of.

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Them worked out.

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They were all a bunch of alcoholics, and they drank

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on the job and they did terrible work, and so

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I had to fire them all. So my brother and

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I went to my dad and said, hey, listen, if

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you want to continue your irrigation project here where you

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want to irrigate the orchard twenty four hours a day,

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we can do that job. And my dad thought we

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were a little too small to do that. I was fourteen,

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my brother was about twelve, and we had a friend

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by the name of Jack who is deceased, and my

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brother is now deceased, and so we convinced my dad

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that we could do the job.

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So we set up a schedule.

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Where we were moving this irrigation pipe through the orchard

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twenty four hours a day, and every eight hours we

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would move the irrigation pipe forty feet. So this one night,

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it would happened to be a Sunday night, and it

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was about seven o'clock at night, and we.

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Had just gotten done.

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Moving all this irrigation pipe, and we were driving around

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the orchard where we had moved this. When I talk

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about this irrigation pipe, it was about two miles of

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irrigation pipe, so it was a considerable job that took

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several hours to accomplish. So anyway, we were driving around

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the orchards. We had all these ranch roads that kind

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of dissected the orchard into forty acre parcels. So we're

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driving around, the three of us in this old Chevy

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pickup branch pikub.

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As.

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I came to the end of one field and made

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a right turn and was driving along. My brother and

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Jack said to me they stopped to pick up because

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we see somebody walking in the orchard, and there shouldn't

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have been anybody in the orchard. Nobody worked on Sunday

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night except my brother and Jack and I, my mom

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and Dad were at home across the property, about about

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three quarters of a mile home in the ranch house,

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and so I slowed the pickup down and kind of

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pulled off the side of the road, and I could

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look back in the orchard. We could all look back

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in the orchard about seventy five or one hundred feet,

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and we could see somebody walking back in the orchard.

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We could only see him from about the waist down

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because the low hanging limbs and branches of the walnut trees.

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So as soon as I pulled the truck over and

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stopped so we could get a better look at what

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it was back there in the orchard that was walking along,

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whoever it was and we couldn't identify it at the time,

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started running.

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Through the orchard.

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So I took off and we were kind of paralleling

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this thing for a while, and Jack and my brother

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were telling me where this thing was running.

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And so it was about a quarter mile down to

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our barns.

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right turn and the orchard from that point the road

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was very steep, was about twelve fourteen to fifteen degree incline,

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and they could see this this creature whatever it was,

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and they said it was pretty good size. It looked

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like a pretty good sized man. Didn't know what it

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was running through the orchard. What we thought it was

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was an escaped convict, like a trustee that lived in

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the Department of Forestry of firefighting camp, which was about

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a mile and a half as the crow would fly

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from our ranch. There were no fences there were. They

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had people working there that were forestry personnel. They kind

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of kept track of these people, but since there was

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no there were no fences, these people could wander off.

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We thought it was one of those people.

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That had escaped and was running through the orchard. And

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so anyway, we went up. I drove the truck up

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up this ranch road and it's pretty steep, and we

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got there was an owner's property, an owner's house up

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the halfway up this hill, and we went about one

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hundred or two hundred yards past that, and we stopped

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at a point where we thought we were going to

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intersect with this person that we thought it must be

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a person that was running through the orchard, so we

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stopped the truck.

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We all got out.

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All three of us got out, and we're just waiting

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on the side of the road, and we're kind of

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standing by the right front fender of the pickup, and

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we could hear this thing coming through the orchard, but

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we couldn't see it because of the trees, and it

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sounded like a horse running through the orchard. It was bipedal,

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But the sound of this thing breathing, it sounded just.

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Like my horse.

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My brother and I both had or and just sounded

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like them when they were breathing heavily. And so we

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just waited there and waited there until finally we saw

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what this thing was is it came out of the

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It came out of the orchard, and as it came

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up higher in the orchard, the soil was not as

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good as soil, and so the trees were not nearly

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as big of trees as a down lower on them

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on the hill. And so when this came out of

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the trees, we could see that it was about seven

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to seven and a half feet tall, probably weighed in

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the neighborhood of five hundred, five hundred and fifty pounds

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or more. And this thing was clamping along at probably

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about a four foot stride, and it was it had

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been running through an area that had been pre that

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had just been irrigated, so it was very very deep

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in muddy, and then above that it had been cultivated

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about twelve or fourteen inches deep, and this thing was

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running through that stuff at a pretty good pace.

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And I've at about what I consider about a.

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Three to four foot stride, which is more than any

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man I think could do in that heavy mud, that

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in that steep grade. And is this saying kept getting

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closer to us. We got a real good look at

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this thing. And this particular creature is not the kind

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I listened to other podcasts where people describe these sasquatch

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creatures as having a shoulder of up to four to

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five feet.

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But this creature wasn't like that.

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This creature was tall seven seven and a half feet tall,

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very heavy, but very muscular, but not.

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Widen the shoulders like that.

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And as this thing got closer to us, why it

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when it kind of turned to look directly at us,

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it had to kind of turn its body, didn't Its

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head looked like this. It looked like the shoulders kind

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of went from the edge of the tip of the

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shoulders up to where the ears might be on the skull.

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It just looked like you know what I would at

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the time. It looked like, you know, some of the

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football players that I would see on TV, I guess.

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But this thing kind of grinned at us as it

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came closer. Didn't show us any teeth, just grinned at us.

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And it never slowed down. It never made any any

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threatening gesture toward us. It had its facial features look

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like that of an Indian, so it had a humanoid

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kind of facial features, was covered in hair head, it

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had a it had a round head, didn't have a

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conical head, there was not Uh. It had a heavy

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brow ridge the forehead. The hairline came down within maybe

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an inch or two of the brow line. Uh. There

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was no hair on his face, on its neck and

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under its ears, and and I couldn't even see its ears.

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And uh.

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As this thing came up the hill passes, uh, my

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brother and Jack wanted to get back in the truck,

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and they wanted to get the hell out of there

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because this thing scared them. I have no idea why

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I wanted to stick around and watch this thing go by.

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But once it went by, us and continued up the hill.

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We got back on the truck and we waited a

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little bit, just maybe a minute or so, watched this

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thing as it kept going up the hill, and it

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didn't have to go much further up the hill until

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it intersected another four way intersection of our ranch roads.

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And so I started to pick up up and I

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started up the hill in this old forty one Chevy,

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and it made.

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A lot of racket.

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It had a straight pipe, no muffler, and this thing

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we're grinding up the We're not talking about a muscle

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car here. This is old forty one Chevy with a

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little stick cylinder, and we were grinding up the hill,

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and this thing made a lot of transmission noise. And

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so when this thing got to the creature got to

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the intersection of the at the top of the hill

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where these four ranch roads came together, while it turned

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and tried to look back at where we were coming

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up the hill, and in order to to do that,

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it had to torq its body completely around because it

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didn't seem to be able to turn its neck, and

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so it went across the intersection that went into it

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kind of entered another section forty acre section of walnut trees,

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and it kind of crossed that section at a diagonal

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and that part of the orchard was pretty flat for

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a couple of hundred yards, and then it dropped off

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in what I would think is about fourteen or fifteen

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degree downhill slope. So I had to drive all the

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way around on these ranch roads to try to keep

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in sight of this thing. And so the more that

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we tried to keep up with it, the more this

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thing started to run. And as it was running down

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this hill through the orchard, I would estimate that it

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was running at about twenty five or thirty miles an hour,

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and its stride at that point was maybe ten ten

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fifteen feet or something like that. And when we finally

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got down to the hill, this thing crossed the road

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that we were on, never looked at us, never gave

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us a glance at that point, ran across the road

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in front of us, and it ran across that road

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into the property of a neighbor who also had a

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walnut orchard. They didn't nobody lived there at the time,

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but they had some barns and some equipment sheds, and

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this creature ran in between the barns and their equipment shed,

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and then ran another one hundred yards or so, and

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at thet where the walnut orchard met the brush line

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and the tree line, this thing just charged into the

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brush and the brush was maybe fifteen eighteen feet high.

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It just went through that brush like a bulldozer, never

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even slowed down. And at that point we lost we

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lost track of this creature. So my brother and Jack

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and I had a conversation about whether or not we're

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going to tell my dad about this encounter. And we

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had lobbied my dad pretty hard for about a month

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to let us take on this job of moving the

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irrigation bike.

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We made good money. He paid us.

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He paid us what he paid those guys that never

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showed up or drank on the job and did a

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bad job he made. He paid us just as well

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as he paid those guys. And so we didn't want

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to lose that job. It was a great job. It

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was better than doing other jobs on the ranch that

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we didn't like to do. So we decided that we

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wouldn't that we wouldn't tell my dad. And I failed

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to mention that the time of the time of the

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year that this was was in late July of nineteen

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fifty eight, and the deer season in Lake County opens

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up the first Saturday of August every year. And so

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when I started carrying a Winchester rifle and our ranch truck,

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I just told my dad, I said, if I see

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a deer out here, you know, while we're changing pipe,

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and I can get a good shot at a deer,

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you know, I'll shoot it. And I was going to

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shoot a deer, but that's not the reason I was

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carrying that rifle, because I was afraid that thing was

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going to come back.

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I really, I really didn't know what it was that

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I saw.

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I had never heard anybody in my circle of family

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or friends. I never heard anybody ever talk about a

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creature that was over seven feet tall, covered in hair, bipedal,

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you know, never never heard anything that would even lead

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me to believe. I never heard the word sasquatch or bigfoot.

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That never had entered my vocabulary. Never heard anybody talk

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about that. And so as we continued on through the summer,

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move an irrigation pipe and working in the orchard at night,

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we had these headlights like they were like a head lantern,

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powered by a six folt battery small six folt battery

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kind of like a miner would wear in a in

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a mining tunnel or something. And I can tell you

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that all summer long, while it was out there in

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the dark, I always felt like I was being watched.

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Maybe it was just my imagination, but I would I

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would sometimes the the feeling of being washed just was

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soberpowering that I would look around with my headlight to

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see my headlamp to see if I could see if

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there was anything out.

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There watching me.

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And I never, I never, I never could never saw

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anything that was that was out there in the dark

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with us. But it most certainly spooked us. But we

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decided that we weren't going to tell my dad because

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we didn't we thought that he would think that it

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might be too dangerous for us little guys to be

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out there in the dark, and so you know, we

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didn't want to lose our job. So anyway, fast forward

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about a year and my dad. My dad subscribed to

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a publication called True Magazine, and one of the publications,

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and I think it was nineteen fifty nine.

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Was about the.

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Episode encounter I guess you will, of a guy by

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the name of Jerry Crew, and Jerry Crew was a

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bulldozer operator over in Humboldt County. I think it's Humboldt County,

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might be Dell nort County, but anyway, it's up in

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what is now a Bigfoot country in the Trinity, what's

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called the Trinity Alps. It's a very rugged part of

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northern California. It borders the Oregon California border. And Jerry

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Crew as a bulldozer operator, he worked for a company

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that had a contract with some logging companies to build

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some logging roads back in in the area surrounding Willow

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Creek and Willow Creek is if you visit there is

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certainly steeped in a lot of Bigfoot mythology. And there's

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a there's a big redwood tree that's been carved by

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somebody with a chainsaw into a great big sasquatch.

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And there's a museum there.

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And if you go into the restaurant, the menu is

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all kinds of full of all kinds of bigfoot menu choices,

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you know. And uh So, anyway, crewe And is lived

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over in the Sacramento Valley area somewhere. So on the

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on Friday night he would go home, and so he

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would when he came back to work on Monday to

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fire up his cat, the Bulldozer, and Bill Rhodes he

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started seeing these big barefoot tracks in the powdery dirt

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roads that they were, you know, the logging roads that

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they were building.

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And so they they made I think they made a plaster.

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Cast of these footprints, and at some point they contacted

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some people in Eureka, California. There was it's close by,

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maybe fifty sixty miles away, I guess, and at the newspaper,

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the local newspaper, and and I think one of the

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editors or the editor of that newspaper was retired from

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the Los Angeles Times.

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And.

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Kind of thought that the story that Jerry Crew told

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him about these big footprints that he saw all over

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the construction site, you know, and the plaster cast that

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he brought to him, I think, and kind of dismissed

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00:31:18.400 --> 00:31:24.599
it as a kind of an odd story, maybe.

470
00:31:23.799 --> 00:31:24.920
Not too believable.

471
00:31:25.000 --> 00:31:27.960
But then after about a week or so or some

472
00:31:28.160 --> 00:31:33.079
time went by, he the editor picked up this, picked

473
00:31:33.160 --> 00:31:39.480
up the story and then published it, and eventually it

474
00:31:39.559 --> 00:31:42.680
made its way. That story made its way through a

475
00:31:42.680 --> 00:31:47.119
lot of different newspapers throughout California, throughout the United Western

476
00:31:47.200 --> 00:31:51.480
United States, I guess, and eventually it ended up in

477
00:31:51.799 --> 00:31:56.400
True Magazine. So my dad had been reading this article

478
00:31:56.519 --> 00:32:00.160
about all the stuff that Jerry Crew had been reporting,

479
00:32:01.000 --> 00:32:05.119
and so I saw that. I saw that, you know

480
00:32:05.200 --> 00:32:09.319
what my dad was reading. So they had they had

481
00:32:09.400 --> 00:32:13.680
a kind of a sketch of what this thing look like.

482
00:32:14.400 --> 00:32:18.000
And when I saw the sketch, then I knew what

483
00:32:18.119 --> 00:32:21.799
I saw. I remembered back a year before or so,

484
00:32:22.799 --> 00:32:25.920
and what I saw in True Magazine is what I

485
00:32:26.000 --> 00:32:30.279
saw on the ranch that night at Sunday night in

486
00:32:30.559 --> 00:32:32.720
the latter part of July of fifty eight.

487
00:32:33.839 --> 00:32:34.240
And so.

488
00:32:36.200 --> 00:32:40.759
I never we still never told my dad. So it

489
00:32:40.920 --> 00:32:46.759
was maybe a year or so later, maybe in the

490
00:32:46.799 --> 00:32:53.920
next year why my dad had gotten contacted by his

491
00:32:54.079 --> 00:33:00.680
younger brother. And my uncle was the general manager of

492
00:33:00.720 --> 00:33:05.000
a four thousand acre sheep ranch in Sonoma County out

493
00:33:05.759 --> 00:33:07.880
it was out within I think it was in about

494
00:33:07.920 --> 00:33:12.400
within about eighteen or twenty miles of the of the

495
00:33:12.440 --> 00:33:17.799
Pacific coast, and this little town of Kualala and some

496
00:33:17.920 --> 00:33:21.400
other places out there, very small, very small place. Anyway,

497
00:33:23.119 --> 00:33:26.000
my uncle had invited my dad and some other friends

498
00:33:26.000 --> 00:33:29.759
of his out on the sheep ranch to go wild

499
00:33:29.839 --> 00:33:33.359
hog hunting. So my dad was out there for three

500
00:33:33.440 --> 00:33:37.640
or four days and he shot this This big hog

501
00:33:37.759 --> 00:33:40.920
is about maybe four hundred and fifty pounds, and so

502
00:33:41.000 --> 00:33:46.359
he brought home these big slabs of pork and each

503
00:33:46.400 --> 00:33:50.759
weighed I don't know, seventy five eighty pounds, maybe hundred pounds,

504
00:33:50.799 --> 00:33:53.599
I don't know. So he brought these big slabs of

505
00:33:53.680 --> 00:33:56.319
pork home. Not sure what we were going to do

506
00:33:56.400 --> 00:33:58.960
with one hundred and fifty two hundred pounds of pork,

507
00:33:59.000 --> 00:34:01.480
but anyway, brought it home and.

508
00:34:03.559 --> 00:34:07.720
At night the first night that he was home. Why

509
00:34:09.239 --> 00:34:10.320
we had these.

510
00:34:10.360 --> 00:34:14.440
On the back of our house farmhouse, we had these

511
00:34:14.559 --> 00:34:18.719
big meat hooks that my dad had kind of screwed

512
00:34:18.760 --> 00:34:21.440
into the ends of the roof rafters.

513
00:34:21.719 --> 00:34:22.440
And so when we.

514
00:34:22.400 --> 00:34:25.719
Would kill deer on the ranch, after we had dressed

515
00:34:25.719 --> 00:34:28.199
out the deer, we would hang the deer out at

516
00:34:28.280 --> 00:34:31.719
night on the back of the house. Well that's what

517
00:34:31.760 --> 00:34:35.519
he did with these big slabs of this wild fog

518
00:34:35.599 --> 00:34:39.199
they'd killed. He hung these big slabs up there on

519
00:34:40.159 --> 00:34:43.519
these meat hooks. Well, these hooks were about eleven feet

520
00:34:43.599 --> 00:34:47.400
off the ground, and my dad was only about five

521
00:34:48.480 --> 00:34:51.079
five eight five eight and a half, so in order

522
00:34:51.119 --> 00:34:57.400
to hang those those slabs of pork meat up there,

523
00:34:57.440 --> 00:35:00.280
he had to get on a step ladder. So the

524
00:35:00.320 --> 00:35:02.960
first night he hung the things up there, and in

525
00:35:03.000 --> 00:35:05.760
the morning he took him down. They wrapped him up

526
00:35:06.119 --> 00:35:09.599
in some old bedcloths and put them in a sleeping

527
00:35:09.679 --> 00:35:12.679
bag and put them underneath their bed where it was

528
00:35:12.800 --> 00:35:15.920
nice and cool. The following night they take them out

529
00:35:15.920 --> 00:35:18.159
from underneath the bed, take them out of the sleeping bag,

530
00:35:18.559 --> 00:35:19.800
hang them out at night.

531
00:35:19.880 --> 00:35:22.960
So they planned to do that for about three nights.

532
00:35:23.440 --> 00:35:28.679
So on the third night, my dad hangs the meat

533
00:35:28.760 --> 00:35:33.800
out there, and the following morning, day four, he goes

534
00:35:33.880 --> 00:35:37.920
out there to take his wild hog meat off the

535
00:35:37.960 --> 00:35:43.079
back of the house and it's missing. So my dad

536
00:35:43.119 --> 00:35:44.920
comes in and I think my brother and I are

537
00:35:44.920 --> 00:35:47.960
sitting there eating breakfast or something, and he asked us,

538
00:35:48.119 --> 00:35:51.480
did you do something with the meat on the back

539
00:35:51.519 --> 00:35:56.639
of the house. Answer is no, we couldn't. Even we

540
00:35:56.639 --> 00:35:58.679
were just little guys. We couldn't lift that stuff.

541
00:35:58.719 --> 00:35:58.920
You know.

542
00:35:59.000 --> 00:36:02.679
He got a So anyway, my dad toldy, says go

543
00:36:02.719 --> 00:36:06.119
get He says, I bet the dogs got it, I said, Dad,

544
00:36:06.519 --> 00:36:08.280
we don't have a single We had about four or

545
00:36:08.280 --> 00:36:11.039
five dogs. I said, we don't have any dogs that

546
00:36:11.079 --> 00:36:13.800
can jump eleven feet. Not even if they got up

547
00:36:13.800 --> 00:36:17.400
on the porch and jumped up there, they wouldn't be

548
00:36:17.440 --> 00:36:20.000
able to I said, and buy they you know, and

549
00:36:20.039 --> 00:36:22.239
if a dog were to grab it, or a coyote.

550
00:36:22.239 --> 00:36:26.639
We had coyotes, no wolves in Lake County, just coyotes.

551
00:36:27.159 --> 00:36:29.760
I said, if a coyote got it, they would just

552
00:36:29.880 --> 00:36:32.800
rip it off of there and probably try to eat

553
00:36:32.840 --> 00:36:35.159
it right there and just make a great big mess.

554
00:36:35.559 --> 00:36:38.840
So anyway, he made Dad asked me to go get

555
00:36:38.880 --> 00:36:41.440
all the dogs. So I get, I go and get

556
00:36:41.480 --> 00:36:42.960
all We had about four or five dogs. So I

557
00:36:43.039 --> 00:36:46.199
go get all the dogs, and I'd bring them around there,

558
00:36:47.320 --> 00:36:51.440
and that area by the back steps of our house,

559
00:36:52.239 --> 00:36:55.480
near where that meat was hanging, those dogs would not

560
00:36:55.960 --> 00:37:00.400
would not come even close to that. You you could

561
00:37:00.440 --> 00:37:02.840
grab them by their collar, and in order to get

562
00:37:02.880 --> 00:37:06.239
them over there that area, you'd have to drag them.

563
00:37:07.079 --> 00:37:11.239
And these dogs were clearly not willing to even come

564
00:37:11.320 --> 00:37:13.159
anywhere close to the back of that house.

565
00:37:13.599 --> 00:37:16.519
And there was Those dogs made no sound at night.

566
00:37:17.440 --> 00:37:20.960
They didn't usually anybody that would come around, they would

567
00:37:21.079 --> 00:37:25.199
bark like crazy. But you know, in the summertime, we

568
00:37:25.239 --> 00:37:29.840
didn't have any air conditioning way back in the late fifties,

569
00:37:30.159 --> 00:37:32.440
so we slept with all the windows open, so if

570
00:37:32.440 --> 00:37:34.920
the dogs were going to bark, you're going to hear them.

571
00:37:35.480 --> 00:37:38.320
And so I knew.

572
00:37:38.559 --> 00:37:41.760
I was pretty sure what it was in my mind

573
00:37:41.800 --> 00:37:43.800
that came and took that meat off the back of

574
00:37:43.800 --> 00:37:44.239
the house.

575
00:37:45.119 --> 00:37:48.440
But we still my brother.

576
00:37:48.199 --> 00:37:53.800
And I never never said a word about any of

577
00:37:53.840 --> 00:37:58.440
our experiences or any of our account counters with Bigfoot.

578
00:37:59.400 --> 00:38:07.440
About two years ago, I located my old friend Jack

579
00:38:08.599 --> 00:38:17.079
and he he had he had liver and colon cancer,

580
00:38:18.039 --> 00:38:23.280
and he was very, very sick. And I was very

581
00:38:23.320 --> 00:38:27.119
sad to hear that because I tried. I finally located

582
00:38:27.599 --> 00:38:32.239
located him after all those years and tracked him down

583
00:38:32.239 --> 00:38:36.000
through friends, and I wanted to talk to him about

584
00:38:36.039 --> 00:38:40.559
what he remembered on the day we saw that sasquatch

585
00:38:41.079 --> 00:38:46.920
in the orchard, And I asked him if he if

586
00:38:46.960 --> 00:38:52.079
he would tell me what his recollection of that time was,

587
00:38:52.679 --> 00:38:54.800
and he told me that he said norm he said,

588
00:38:55.719 --> 00:38:59.519
I'm just too sick and too weak to even try

589
00:38:59.559 --> 00:39:04.159
to talk about it, and so he died about three

590
00:39:04.199 --> 00:39:07.239
weeks later, four weeks later, and I never got to

591
00:39:07.320 --> 00:39:12.239
talk to him about about his experiences on that day

592
00:39:12.239 --> 00:39:15.320
when my brother and he and I, you know, saw

593
00:39:15.360 --> 00:39:19.679
that creature coming out of the orchard. So anyway, there

594
00:39:19.800 --> 00:39:27.159
was there was an episode on another podcast and they

595
00:39:28.639 --> 00:39:30.679
there was a guy by the name of Mike Woolley

596
00:39:31.639 --> 00:39:35.760
had an episode or an encounter, I think it was

597
00:39:35.840 --> 00:39:41.360
up in the state of Washington. And so they posted

598
00:39:42.159 --> 00:39:48.000
a picture of what his sasquatch looked like, his encounter

599
00:39:48.079 --> 00:39:52.280
looked like, and it was exactly what I saw. It

600
00:39:52.320 --> 00:39:55.119
was the it was the face of an This creature

601
00:39:55.159 --> 00:39:58.639
had the face of an Indian. It looked like it

602
00:39:58.679 --> 00:40:01.840
didn't look like the d Indians from my neck of

603
00:40:01.880 --> 00:40:04.199
the woods there in Lake County or in that part

604
00:40:04.239 --> 00:40:08.360
of the of California. It looked more like the Indians

605
00:40:08.440 --> 00:40:13.000
that you would see in the plains in the plain

606
00:40:13.239 --> 00:40:22.000
in the Plain States Nebraska, you know, Kansas of South Dakota, Montana, Wyoming,

607
00:40:22.480 --> 00:40:27.480
those kind of those kinds of people, and and so

608
00:40:27.639 --> 00:40:33.360
that you know, and so later when I read about

609
00:40:34.480 --> 00:40:38.760
this lady by the name of Melbo Ketchum, who is

610
00:40:38.840 --> 00:40:44.760
a has a DNA lab in Texas. I think she

611
00:40:45.159 --> 00:40:52.239
is herself a veterinarian, and she claims that from some

612
00:40:52.559 --> 00:40:58.079
hair samples and some other tissue samples that she may

613
00:40:58.119 --> 00:41:02.920
have collected from a dozen or more sources around the

614
00:41:03.000 --> 00:41:10.199
United States, she claims that the mitochondrial part of the DNA,

615
00:41:10.360 --> 00:41:14.599
the female side of the DNA, showed.

616
00:41:15.880 --> 00:41:18.000
A human female, but.

617
00:41:18.079 --> 00:41:23.679
On the male side of the DNA it was undetermined.

618
00:41:24.880 --> 00:41:29.880
So it got me to thinking about how closely the

619
00:41:30.079 --> 00:41:35.920
sasquatch creatures, some of them might be to humans to

620
00:41:36.119 --> 00:41:40.559
be able to possibly crossbreed with age with a male

621
00:41:41.000 --> 00:41:44.079
sasquatch and a female.

622
00:41:45.119 --> 00:41:45.480
Human.

623
00:41:46.519 --> 00:41:49.840
So it just there's no proof of that, I think,

624
00:41:49.920 --> 00:41:57.159
other than what Melmaketchum says that she determined through her

625
00:41:57.280 --> 00:42:01.320
DNA testing. And of course she is a very controversial

626
00:42:01.679 --> 00:42:08.960
person because she was not not successful in getting her

627
00:42:09.119 --> 00:42:16.599
study published than any peer peer to peer group publication,

628
00:42:17.599 --> 00:42:24.039
and so it it she she was criticized very heavily

629
00:42:24.639 --> 00:42:28.159
and h and so a lot of people. Some people

630
00:42:28.239 --> 00:42:34.400
believe that her DNA testing is accurate, while other people

631
00:42:35.159 --> 00:42:39.920
discount it all together. I know that there are people

632
00:42:41.119 --> 00:42:48.039
like Kathy Strain and her husband Bob, her husband Bob,

633
00:42:48.079 --> 00:42:51.639
I think, is a retired firefighter. Kathy Strain is an

634
00:42:51.679 --> 00:42:56.679
anthropologist works for the US Department of Forestry in near

635
00:42:56.800 --> 00:43:01.360
Sonora in the in the uh here in Nevada Mountains

636
00:43:02.119 --> 00:43:06.840
of California, and she's had encounters with these creatures, as

637
00:43:06.880 --> 00:43:10.599
I understand, and you know, written a lot of books

638
00:43:12.079 --> 00:43:14.880
where she interviewed a lot of Indian tribes across the nation.

639
00:43:15.119 --> 00:43:18.920
So it just depends, I guess, on what Indian tribes

640
00:43:18.960 --> 00:43:23.400
that you might talk to. Some of them refer to

641
00:43:23.480 --> 00:43:29.519
them as cannibals, these sasquatch, creators, creaters, creatures. Other talk

642
00:43:29.599 --> 00:43:35.000
about these creatures as people, and so there's a wide

643
00:43:35.079 --> 00:43:39.280
range of And I know that the Indians up in

644
00:43:39.320 --> 00:43:43.159
British Columbia have a lot of contact with these things

645
00:43:43.599 --> 00:43:51.000
as well, so they're it's an interesting it's an interesting

646
00:43:51.800 --> 00:43:58.400
situation where we see these things, people report them, yet

647
00:43:58.800 --> 00:44:04.480
we can find no evidence that the physical evidence that

648
00:44:04.519 --> 00:44:08.760
they exist other than maybe the hair samples and the

649
00:44:08.880 --> 00:44:14.079
scat and so maybe skin tissue or something that Melbae

650
00:44:14.440 --> 00:44:21.039
Catchem came into possession of. But I know what I saw,

651
00:44:22.599 --> 00:44:27.639
you know what my brother and I saw, and nobody

652
00:44:27.679 --> 00:44:31.079
can convince me that that creature is not flesh and

653
00:44:31.119 --> 00:44:33.599
blood and real.

654
00:44:34.559 --> 00:44:37.440
Absolutely, mister Black, That's that's an incredible story.

655
00:44:37.480 --> 00:44:38.559
That's my story that.

656
00:44:38.599 --> 00:44:41.840
Wow, thank you for sharing that. There's a lot to

657
00:44:41.920 --> 00:44:45.199
unpack from that. I do have a few questions for

658
00:44:45.239 --> 00:44:47.760
you in a few minutes, but it's just there's a

659
00:44:47.760 --> 00:44:50.519
few observations I had from your story. So it's like,

660
00:44:51.079 --> 00:44:57.280
you know, happens back in you said fifty eight before

661
00:44:58.159 --> 00:45:01.639
the Jerry Crewe incidents, which happened up in Bluff Creek,

662
00:45:01.679 --> 00:45:04.679
which is about five and a half to six hours

663
00:45:04.760 --> 00:45:08.440
north of where Lake County is, I believe, And then

664
00:45:08.480 --> 00:45:12.840
you were talking about Sonoma County to the west, that's

665
00:45:12.880 --> 00:45:16.559
about maybe two and a half hours where you had

666
00:45:16.599 --> 00:45:19.400
the issue with the wild hogs. So that's just so

667
00:45:19.440 --> 00:45:23.480
people can picture that in their minds where all this happened.

668
00:45:24.119 --> 00:45:29.079
But about the creature that you saw back there in

669
00:45:29.159 --> 00:45:33.079
Lake County, do you remember anything specific about the arms

670
00:45:33.079 --> 00:45:34.079
of the creature at all?

671
00:45:36.880 --> 00:45:37.719
This thing.

672
00:45:39.880 --> 00:45:43.440
When it when it was walking, the arms were swinging

673
00:45:43.559 --> 00:45:47.880
and and the hands were down down where the down

674
00:45:47.920 --> 00:45:48.719
by his knees.

675
00:45:50.000 --> 00:45:52.840
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676
00:45:52.880 --> 00:45:54.519
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677
00:45:57.960 --> 00:46:01.920
And his knees were not in the same spot is

678
00:46:02.079 --> 00:46:07.559
our knees. Their knees are lower on their legs. And

679
00:46:07.599 --> 00:46:11.840
when they walk, they don't walk like we do. And

680
00:46:12.880 --> 00:46:18.559
they have this kind of kind of when people walk,

681
00:46:18.679 --> 00:46:22.199
you know, or even if they run, they're bobbing up

682
00:46:22.280 --> 00:46:24.480
and down, but not these creatures.

683
00:46:24.880 --> 00:46:25.559
They don't do that.

684
00:46:26.400 --> 00:46:32.360
And if you look at what Roger Patterson and Bob

685
00:46:32.440 --> 00:46:35.159
Gimlin saw down.

686
00:46:34.960 --> 00:46:36.000
In Bluff Creek.

687
00:46:38.840 --> 00:46:44.480
You know Patty how she walked, That's how this creature walked,

688
00:46:44.960 --> 00:46:45.519
just kind.

689
00:46:45.320 --> 00:46:46.360
Of glided along.

690
00:46:47.559 --> 00:46:52.039
And unlike Patty, who looked like she had a pretty

691
00:46:52.079 --> 00:46:56.639
bad injury to her right leg, this creature that we

692
00:46:56.679 --> 00:47:01.079
saw look perfectly healthy to me and was going through

693
00:47:01.119 --> 00:47:03.360
the orchard at a at.

694
00:47:03.159 --> 00:47:06.119
A pace that no man could even begin to keep

695
00:47:06.199 --> 00:47:06.440
up with.

696
00:47:08.880 --> 00:47:12.760
Was there was the creature wearing any clothes or no clothes?

697
00:47:12.920 --> 00:47:15.880
Was their hair on the body? Any details?

698
00:47:16.960 --> 00:47:17.519
I did know?

699
00:47:17.679 --> 00:47:21.440
I did notice a San Francisco forty nine or baseball cap.

700
00:47:21.559 --> 00:47:23.159
Okay, I'm just.

701
00:47:23.159 --> 00:47:27.719
Kidding, just kidding, you never know, just kidding, just kidding.

702
00:47:28.239 --> 00:47:30.039
I was a forty nine er fan when I grew

703
00:47:30.119 --> 00:47:33.679
up as a kid. But no, no clothes, no nothing,

704
00:47:34.159 --> 00:47:39.719
just just hair and uh, you know it just I

705
00:47:39.760 --> 00:47:42.639
could not see its ears. I don't know if these

706
00:47:42.679 --> 00:47:46.400
things got big ears, little ears, no ears, I don't

707
00:47:46.400 --> 00:47:50.719
know what they I don't know what they have. I

708
00:47:50.800 --> 00:47:53.599
noticed one of the things I noticed when it when

709
00:47:53.599 --> 00:47:58.519
it when it grinned, but it didn't show teeth. Uh,

710
00:47:59.039 --> 00:48:04.920
is how wide the mouth was. I mean, it's I mean.

711
00:48:04.880 --> 00:48:09.639
It's the the opening for the mouth is way larger.

712
00:48:09.239 --> 00:48:14.400
Than a human being. And uh, there was just you know,

713
00:48:14.480 --> 00:48:21.079
there were just when I saw this picture that was

714
00:48:21.119 --> 00:48:26.000
sketched out by I don't know who who who sketched

715
00:48:26.039 --> 00:48:29.599
it out, but it was on this Mike Woolley encounter

716
00:48:29.719 --> 00:48:35.320
on another podcast. That's that's what That's what clinched it

717
00:48:35.400 --> 00:48:40.239
for me. You know when I saw that picture, uh

718
00:48:40.880 --> 00:48:41.159
you know.

719
00:48:41.760 --> 00:48:44.440
Uh in uh in the.

720
00:48:46.320 --> 00:48:50.039
I can't remember where I saw that picture. I guess

721
00:48:50.079 --> 00:48:52.079
I missed. Maybe I saw that on the on the

722
00:48:52.119 --> 00:48:56.079
podcast itself, as I think that's where I saw that.

723
00:48:56.159 --> 00:49:01.440
But the sketch that I saw in True magazine was

724
00:49:02.239 --> 00:49:06.400
very similar to what I saw, but more hair on

725
00:49:06.440 --> 00:49:09.639
the face, but it was similar enough that I knew

726
00:49:09.639 --> 00:49:11.320
that that's what I had seen.

727
00:49:11.360 --> 00:49:13.239
That what I saw was a big Foot.

728
00:49:13.320 --> 00:49:24.079
Also, after the incident in Lake County, did you ever

729
00:49:24.920 --> 00:49:27.679
go back and try to look at at any of

730
00:49:27.719 --> 00:49:31.679
the tracks that were left close up anything like that.

731
00:49:34.880 --> 00:49:37.320
Well, you know, yeah, we tried to.

732
00:49:37.599 --> 00:49:41.679
We tried, we tried to see, you know, what these

733
00:49:41.719 --> 00:49:46.199
tracks look like. But we're talking PLoud ground and we're

734
00:49:46.239 --> 00:49:48.920
talking about freshly irrigated.

735
00:49:50.320 --> 00:49:54.760
Soil in the orchard, and you just you couldn't. It's

736
00:49:54.920 --> 00:49:56.159
just there was just.

737
00:49:57.920 --> 00:50:04.159
No way to really get get an accurate idea about

738
00:50:04.159 --> 00:50:10.280
a footprint. The foot the footprint, you know, it was

739
00:50:10.360 --> 00:50:14.519
about maybe sixteen or seventeen inches long, but the shape

740
00:50:14.519 --> 00:50:19.559
of it was because the ground was plowed and other

741
00:50:19.639 --> 00:50:21.639
parts of the orchard where it came through that we

742
00:50:21.679 --> 00:50:24.719
looked it was it had been irrigated, and it was muddy.

743
00:50:25.039 --> 00:50:27.599
You just couldn't tell. You couldn't tell the.

744
00:50:28.679 --> 00:50:32.960
Sasquash was sinking into the mud and into the plowed

745
00:50:32.960 --> 00:50:38.840
ground at least at least a foot and underneath that

746
00:50:39.039 --> 00:50:43.519
was just hard, hard, hard dirt. And so there was

747
00:50:43.639 --> 00:50:46.320
really no you couldn't get an you couldn't get a

748
00:50:46.320 --> 00:50:49.800
good picture as to the shape of the of the footprint.

749
00:50:49.840 --> 00:50:50.400
You just couldn't.

750
00:50:51.880 --> 00:50:55.559
Yeah, absolutely, something that heavy would definitely be sinking down,

751
00:50:55.679 --> 00:50:59.760
especially in an area where there's irrigation happening. That's such

752
00:50:59.760 --> 00:51:06.079
a such a very interesting encounter. Did you ever hear

753
00:51:06.599 --> 00:51:13.199
of any sightings in from neighbors around that area or

754
00:51:13.480 --> 00:51:16.079
hear of any other people in that area talking about

755
00:51:16.480 --> 00:51:18.840
seeing things as well?

756
00:51:19.079 --> 00:51:22.599
No, not a soul, Yeah, not a soul.

757
00:51:23.159 --> 00:51:28.000
Later later in life, I I joined the California Highway

758
00:51:28.039 --> 00:51:31.679
Patrol and some of the guys I worked with in

759
00:51:31.760 --> 00:51:39.079
Los Angeles transferred up to the Mount Shasta area, and

760
00:51:39.960 --> 00:51:48.440
so I I I after after I had retired from

761
00:51:48.440 --> 00:51:53.239
the Highway Patrol, I started tracking down. I started thinking

762
00:51:53.280 --> 00:51:55.840
about this encounter that I had, you know, I started

763
00:51:55.840 --> 00:51:59.559
listening to some podcasts about sasquash. So I tracked down

764
00:51:59.599 --> 00:52:04.400
some of my my old workmates from my Highway Patrol

765
00:52:04.480 --> 00:52:08.039
days down in Los Angeles, and these guys were retired,

766
00:52:08.159 --> 00:52:10.920
but they had retired from up there by Mount Shasta,

767
00:52:11.320 --> 00:52:15.360
and they told me all kinds of stories about some

768
00:52:15.440 --> 00:52:20.400
of the encounters that some of those guys had, and.

769
00:52:21.239 --> 00:52:25.199
They never not one of them ever saw the creature.

770
00:52:25.920 --> 00:52:27.000
All that they saw.

771
00:52:27.280 --> 00:52:31.960
They saw footprints in the roads. One guy told me

772
00:52:32.119 --> 00:52:36.159
that they had a they had a big fire up there,

773
00:52:36.199 --> 00:52:39.280
a big brush fire up up in the area where

774
00:52:39.280 --> 00:52:41.920
he was working up in Modoc I think it was

775
00:52:42.519 --> 00:52:47.840
either Lassen or Modoc County. And so they were the

776
00:52:47.880 --> 00:52:52.519
fire was being driven by about thirty mile an hour wind.

777
00:52:52.639 --> 00:52:58.719
So I mean every living creature, mountain, lion, sasquatch, deer,

778
00:53:00.119 --> 00:53:03.559
you name it, raccoon, whatever, they were all running for

779
00:53:03.639 --> 00:53:06.679
their life to try to outrun the fire. And they

780
00:53:06.760 --> 00:53:10.199
were using airplanes to try to control the fire. And

781
00:53:10.199 --> 00:53:15.159
so they're dropping this fiery tardant, which is roughly about

782
00:53:15.199 --> 00:53:18.800
eight thousand gallons of water with all this red and

783
00:53:18.880 --> 00:53:23.079
purple fire retardant. So a lot of the areas along

784
00:53:23.119 --> 00:53:27.039
that were the road where these state highways two lane

785
00:53:27.039 --> 00:53:30.760
state highways kind of dissected this area where this big

786
00:53:30.800 --> 00:53:33.920
fire was. While these highway patrol guys that I knew,

787
00:53:34.639 --> 00:53:40.559
they saw footprints, muddy footprints that went across the state

788
00:53:40.639 --> 00:53:47.920
highway and the highway was oh, probably sixty feet wide

789
00:53:48.000 --> 00:53:51.760
or something like that paved area with the shoulders and

790
00:53:51.800 --> 00:53:55.800
everything about sixty feet wide, and they said that these

791
00:53:55.920 --> 00:54:01.000
footprints from what they thought was a sasquatch, they cleared

792
00:54:01.000 --> 00:54:05.639
that that you know, that roadway and in about three steps,

793
00:54:06.280 --> 00:54:11.320
so a very a very large animal leaving a very

794
00:54:11.400 --> 00:54:15.960
large footprint and cleared a very wide.

795
00:54:15.719 --> 00:54:20.360
Road in just a few steps. Yeah, so they're out there.

796
00:54:21.239 --> 00:54:22.119
They're out there.

797
00:54:23.599 --> 00:54:27.480
And I talked to some highway patrolmen that worked up

798
00:54:27.519 --> 00:54:30.719
in this area called Trucky it's between it's right on

799
00:54:30.800 --> 00:54:35.519
the Nevada California line, and they have a big truck

800
00:54:35.559 --> 00:54:39.400
inspection facility there, the highway patrol, and these guys said

801
00:54:39.440 --> 00:54:41.320
that they see they see these things all the time

802
00:54:41.360 --> 00:54:45.400
crossing the road. And uh, but you never hear anybody

803
00:54:45.440 --> 00:54:50.960
talking about it, because nobody talks about bigfoot. If you

804
00:54:51.000 --> 00:54:53.239
want to get promoted on the job, or if you

805
00:54:53.800 --> 00:54:56.920
don't want to be criticized and made fun of, you

806
00:54:57.320 --> 00:55:00.320
don't you don't talk about bigfoot. I don't here if

807
00:55:00.320 --> 00:55:04.000
you've seen them, taking pictures of them, have proof of them.

808
00:55:04.599 --> 00:55:07.880
Nobody talks to nobody that I ever knew, except the

809
00:55:08.039 --> 00:55:11.559
very few people that I do know that worked up

810
00:55:11.559 --> 00:55:15.559
in those areas that I thought might have had an encounter,

811
00:55:15.639 --> 00:55:18.880
and some of them did come into contact with some

812
00:55:18.880 --> 00:55:23.199
some evidence that those things exist, like footprints, wet footprints

813
00:55:23.239 --> 00:55:24.000
across the road.

814
00:55:25.440 --> 00:55:26.880
Nobody's talking about that stuff.

815
00:55:27.599 --> 00:55:32.239
Oh absolutely. And I've actually taken a gentleman called in

816
00:55:32.440 --> 00:55:35.639
one day with a I believe it was a sighting

817
00:55:35.719 --> 00:55:39.039
from the Trucky area. The ones you were talking about,

818
00:55:39.039 --> 00:55:40.440
are those recent or.

819
00:55:42.039 --> 00:55:46.519
No, these are these were probably twenty twenty five years sure.

820
00:55:47.039 --> 00:55:52.000
Yeah, but now those guys, those guys, those guys went

821
00:55:52.039 --> 00:55:54.639
on the highway patrol back in the sixties with me and.

822
00:55:54.599 --> 00:55:55.519
We're all retired.

823
00:55:55.639 --> 00:55:59.039
Ah gotcha gets So they're just they're just they're just

824
00:55:59.159 --> 00:56:02.960
recounting old memories of their days when they worked up there.

825
00:56:03.760 --> 00:56:07.280
Absolutely, and the Mount Shasta I mean, if you go

826
00:56:07.360 --> 00:56:09.599
to Bigfoot Encounters dot Com and you go into the

827
00:56:09.639 --> 00:56:15.719
California Encounters area, listeners can definitely do that. There's some

828
00:56:16.199 --> 00:56:20.360
wild encounters from Mount Shasta, that whole region. If you

829
00:56:20.400 --> 00:56:23.599
look into it, you could just go rabbit trails upon

830
00:56:23.719 --> 00:56:28.519
rabbit trails, of hidden treasure and Bigfoot and people disappearing.

831
00:56:28.599 --> 00:56:29.920
There's a lot of stories.

832
00:56:30.119 --> 00:56:33.760
Yeah, there's a lot of stories about the sasquatchs that

833
00:56:33.800 --> 00:56:34.559
live in the mountain.

834
00:56:37.119 --> 00:56:39.519
Really, you know, I don't know how, I don't know.

835
00:56:39.480 --> 00:56:43.800
How they transport themselves back and forth from inside to outside.

836
00:56:44.000 --> 00:56:46.679
I don't know, but there are you know, the.

837
00:56:46.599 --> 00:56:49.840
Indians tell the Indians that live up in that area

838
00:56:50.840 --> 00:56:55.159
tell stories, I guess of you know these creatures that

839
00:56:56.320 --> 00:56:57.119
live in the mountain.

840
00:56:59.679 --> 00:57:03.880
That is It's true, there's a whole Uh, there is

841
00:57:03.960 --> 00:57:08.559
a supposedly a whole civilization that lives inside Mount Shast.

842
00:57:08.599 --> 00:57:12.400
I've always wanted to talk to someone who's had encounters there.

843
00:57:12.519 --> 00:57:16.239
If you're listening and you have experienced stuff around Mount Shast,

844
00:57:16.320 --> 00:57:20.360
to reach out to me, please, mister Black. This has

845
00:57:20.400 --> 00:57:24.039
been incredible. There are there's a question I like to

846
00:57:24.079 --> 00:57:27.000
ask now, and I asked this to everyone. It's a

847
00:57:28.199 --> 00:57:31.559
left field one, but and it doesn't have to do

848
00:57:31.599 --> 00:57:36.000
with Bigfoot, but sometimes it hits. Sometimes it doesn't. In

849
00:57:36.079 --> 00:57:40.960
your experience in California all the other places you've been,

850
00:57:41.119 --> 00:57:45.199
have you ever heard of anyone seeing any creatures that

851
00:57:45.239 --> 00:57:50.840
would look like a hyena? Look like a one like

852
00:57:50.880 --> 00:57:51.519
a hyena?

853
00:57:53.360 --> 00:57:54.079
A hyena?

854
00:57:54.280 --> 00:57:58.199
Yeah? No, okay, cool, all right.

855
00:57:59.079 --> 00:58:01.039
I mean like a dog man or something like that.

856
00:58:01.519 --> 00:58:03.519
Yes, some people would call it a dog man, but

857
00:58:03.639 --> 00:58:07.280
some people actually are seeing what they're saying looks like

858
00:58:07.360 --> 00:58:09.119
an actual African hyena.

859
00:58:12.440 --> 00:58:15.599
No, you know, there's I know I've listened to some

860
00:58:15.679 --> 00:58:24.719
podcasts where some game wardens and some forestry people shot

861
00:58:24.800 --> 00:58:31.559
one of those things with a forty five three times and.

862
00:58:31.440 --> 00:58:33.079
It had no effect on that thing.

863
00:58:33.119 --> 00:58:36.119
It just it just kind of snarled at him and

864
00:58:36.159 --> 00:58:40.719
then just kind of ran off. I've read about him,

865
00:58:41.000 --> 00:58:44.360
I've heard him talk about on a podcast. I have

866
00:58:44.480 --> 00:58:47.440
never I don't know anybody that's ever seen anything like that,

867
00:58:48.000 --> 00:58:50.400
and I've never seen anything like that myself.

868
00:58:52.159 --> 00:58:57.239
It's weird stuff. Some people have seen them, some haven't.

869
00:58:57.239 --> 00:58:59.880
But you never know what's out there in the woods.

870
00:59:01.000 --> 00:59:02.159
You've had it, just.

871
00:59:02.639 --> 00:59:03.920
Like the Skinwalker Ranch.

872
00:59:05.159 --> 00:59:07.519
Oh man, if you've looked in a Skinwalker ranch, then

873
00:59:07.519 --> 00:59:12.199
you know about the supposed dire wolves and the Bigfoot

874
00:59:12.239 --> 00:59:15.559
going through the portals out there. And I mean there's

875
00:59:15.599 --> 00:59:18.199
some wild history in that area for sure.

876
00:59:19.480 --> 00:59:21.960
Yeah. Now they're drilling down.

877
00:59:22.039 --> 00:59:25.519
They drilled down in part of the ranch and they

878
00:59:25.599 --> 00:59:27.719
hit something about ninety feet or something.

879
00:59:27.719 --> 00:59:29.000
They hit something metallic.

880
00:59:30.840 --> 00:59:34.079
It's it's weird stuff for sure. In the Lake County,

881
00:59:34.199 --> 00:59:38.719
California area. Were there any other events of high strangeness

882
00:59:38.719 --> 00:59:42.719
that would happen besides Bigfoot that you noticed or was

883
00:59:42.800 --> 00:59:45.119
Bigfoot the main thing that was happening out there in

884
00:59:45.159 --> 00:59:45.920
Lake County.

885
00:59:47.239 --> 00:59:50.440
That was I never knew anybody that had an encounter.

886
00:59:51.400 --> 00:59:53.920
If there was other people that had an encounter, nobody

887
00:59:53.960 --> 00:59:56.920
was talking to me about it. And the only the

888
00:59:56.960 --> 00:59:59.760
only three people that I know that ever saw anything

889
01:00:00.159 --> 01:00:04.360
that was my brother who was killed in a oil

890
01:00:04.400 --> 01:00:07.760
well explosion in Wyoming in nineteen seventy eight.

891
01:00:08.639 --> 01:00:10.440
And then my friend.

892
01:00:10.280 --> 01:00:14.639
Jack that died about a couple of years ago, and

893
01:00:17.239 --> 01:00:19.239
he was too just too sick and too ill to

894
01:00:19.239 --> 01:00:21.840
even talk about it. I was really hoping that I

895
01:00:22.000 --> 01:00:25.119
was could have a conversation with him, But by the way,

896
01:00:25.199 --> 01:00:27.280
I didn't know that he was. I didn't know that

897
01:00:27.360 --> 01:00:32.159
he was as sick as he was, and so, you know,

898
01:00:32.280 --> 01:00:36.119
I was I kind of lost an opportunity there to

899
01:00:36.239 --> 01:00:39.519
kind of go down memory lane about you.

900
01:00:39.480 --> 01:00:41.760
Know, because people see things differently.

901
01:00:44.000 --> 01:00:46.880
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902
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903
01:00:52.559 --> 01:00:54.599
You know, And maybe there were, And I was, and

904
01:00:54.639 --> 01:00:58.000
I was hoping that he would have noticed some features

905
01:00:58.039 --> 01:01:02.280
of that creature that I I didn't see, you know,

906
01:01:02.679 --> 01:01:08.000
And I was mostly focused on the face and this

907
01:01:08.079 --> 01:01:09.360
thing grinning at us.

908
01:01:09.840 --> 01:01:13.920
It was creepy. That really creeped us out. When that

909
01:01:14.039 --> 01:01:15.239
thing just looked.

910
01:01:14.960 --> 01:01:21.000
At us, and it came within about fifty or seventy

911
01:01:21.039 --> 01:01:26.159
five feet from us, and we were on a ranch road,

912
01:01:26.599 --> 01:01:31.800
but separating us from the orchard was a drainage ditch

913
01:01:31.880 --> 01:01:35.360
that was about, I want to say, about maybe twenty

914
01:01:35.400 --> 01:01:39.280
feet wide and about fifteen or sixteen feet deep. We

915
01:01:39.400 --> 01:01:43.000
felt pretty comfortable that this thing wasn't going to jump

916
01:01:43.039 --> 01:01:44.119
over there and get us.

917
01:01:45.000 --> 01:01:47.800
And again, it never.

918
01:01:47.599 --> 01:01:54.000
Made any movement, aggressive movement at all. It just it

919
01:01:54.119 --> 01:01:57.920
just looked over at these three little kids, these you know,

920
01:01:58.239 --> 01:02:03.119
pre teenage kids, and just grinned and just.

921
01:02:03.159 --> 01:02:06.639
Kept on going it it It never slowed down.

922
01:02:07.800 --> 01:02:10.360
And matter of fact, it as a as a as

923
01:02:10.360 --> 01:02:11.760
it went up to the top of the hill and

924
01:02:11.840 --> 01:02:14.920
went over the other side, it picked up speed, a

925
01:02:14.960 --> 01:02:17.760
lot of speed. I never see anything run. I never

926
01:02:17.800 --> 01:02:21.599
saw anything run run like that. I mean, this thing,

927
01:02:22.119 --> 01:02:27.199
this thing was keeping up with a pickup and I

928
01:02:26.840 --> 01:02:28.199
it it was.

929
01:02:29.400 --> 01:02:30.079
It was something.

930
01:02:30.400 --> 01:02:34.679
Uh, you know, all these years i've you know, I

931
01:02:34.719 --> 01:02:37.880
can I can just picture it in my mind. It

932
01:02:37.960 --> 01:02:41.559
really had a lasting effect on me and I and

933
01:02:41.599 --> 01:02:44.159
I forgot about it. I kind of put it away

934
01:02:44.199 --> 01:02:47.480
in my mind for a long long time. And uh,

935
01:02:47.920 --> 01:02:51.719
and Uh. Never, because you know, if I didn't hear

936
01:02:51.760 --> 01:02:54.440
anybody else talking about it, I wasn't going to be

937
01:02:54.519 --> 01:02:57.400
the first to talk about it because you know, people

938
01:02:57.440 --> 01:02:59.239
would just I didn't want to be.

939
01:02:59.280 --> 01:03:02.480
The brunt of a bunch of jokes, you know.

940
01:03:03.280 --> 01:03:08.840
And and I think my dad was interested in it,

941
01:03:08.960 --> 01:03:14.519
especially after he read the True Magazine article. But I

942
01:03:14.599 --> 01:03:18.559
thought for sure that when those two slabs of pork

943
01:03:18.639 --> 01:03:23.840
were taken off the back rafters of our house, I thought,

944
01:03:24.280 --> 01:03:26.440
I thought for sure my dad would probably you know,

945
01:03:26.519 --> 01:03:30.000
put two and two together. But it didn't seem like

946
01:03:30.440 --> 01:03:34.079
didn't seem like he did. He just kind of dismissed it.

947
01:03:34.079 --> 01:03:38.079
It was just a mystery that he couldn't solve. And uh,

948
01:03:38.960 --> 01:03:42.039
and I and in the in the back there were

949
01:03:42.079 --> 01:03:44.159
that where the where they hung the meat it was

950
01:03:44.559 --> 01:03:48.960
it was concrete, and then my mom's clothesline was back

951
01:03:49.000 --> 01:03:52.239
there and that was all gravel, so there were no

952
01:03:52.639 --> 01:03:57.480
there were no footprints that we could see, so, you know,

953
01:03:57.639 --> 01:03:59.239
we just kind of struck out that way.

954
01:04:00.480 --> 01:04:03.519
Was that was that time that you saw the big

955
01:04:03.519 --> 01:04:05.840
foot in Lake County? Was that the weirdest thing that

956
01:04:06.559 --> 01:04:12.960
you've seen in your life? Then I would imagine, oh, yeah, yeah,

957
01:04:13.039 --> 01:04:14.599
that that's that's that's.

958
01:04:14.559 --> 01:04:17.159
Number one, you know.

959
01:04:17.639 --> 01:04:24.519
And and you know, I remember three or four years ago,

960
01:04:25.280 --> 01:04:29.280
I lived in Tennessee, Middle Tennessee. Now we've lived here

961
01:04:29.320 --> 01:04:33.119
back in Tennessee here for about sixteen years. And I

962
01:04:33.159 --> 01:04:36.960
wanted to buy a pickup and I found one in

963
01:04:37.000 --> 01:04:39.800
West Virginia. And so when I when I drove up

964
01:04:39.880 --> 01:04:44.440
to West Virginia with my wife to pick up my truck,

965
01:04:46.639 --> 01:04:49.400
I saw as I was as I was driving through

966
01:04:49.400 --> 01:04:53.559
West Virginia, I was, I was all these stories that

967
01:04:53.599 --> 01:04:58.079
I'd heard on these podcasts about all the bigfoot sightings

968
01:04:58.119 --> 01:05:02.599
that they see in West Virginia. I was looking down

969
01:05:02.679 --> 01:05:06.599
in every every holler. I was looking all over, I was,

970
01:05:06.880 --> 01:05:11.599
I was. I was just looking all over the countryside.

971
01:05:11.639 --> 01:05:12.320
I was sure.

972
01:05:12.719 --> 01:05:15.159
I was sure that I was going to see a

973
01:05:15.199 --> 01:05:18.199
big foot up there. But no, I didn't say any

974
01:05:18.199 --> 01:05:21.840
big foot up there either, But I guess that's bigfoot

975
01:05:21.880 --> 01:05:26.000
country up there, that in Ohio and Washington and Oregon.

976
01:05:26.199 --> 01:05:29.480
Well that in I mean, some of the craziest reports

977
01:05:29.480 --> 01:05:33.880
I've ever taken have been from Middle Tennessee. It's it's

978
01:05:33.960 --> 01:05:36.400
pretty wild. I mean, I would I would keep my

979
01:05:37.039 --> 01:05:41.400
eyes out where you are, you'll probably hear some crazy

980
01:05:41.400 --> 01:05:44.920
stuff someday if you listen to people talking in the

981
01:05:45.000 --> 01:05:46.320
right areas, for sure.

982
01:05:46.440 --> 01:05:49.280
But there's a guy that lives in Nashville. His name

983
01:05:49.360 --> 01:05:53.679
is Dave Dave Eller, and he.

984
01:05:54.159 --> 01:05:59.119
Is a he's a bigfoot investigator, and he draws a

985
01:05:59.199 --> 01:06:04.800
one hundred mile circle around Nashville and he talks about

986
01:06:04.840 --> 01:06:10.239
all the craziness that he sees out in these woods.

987
01:06:10.679 --> 01:06:14.159
I live in Putnam County, and I've looked at the

988
01:06:14.480 --> 01:06:19.280
BFRO website and other website to see where if there's

989
01:06:19.320 --> 01:06:23.719
any big footing sightings in Putnam County. It's a pretty

990
01:06:23.800 --> 01:06:28.440
large county here in middle Tennessee, and we're surrounded by

991
01:06:29.239 --> 01:06:34.440
hundreds of thousands of acres of just undeveloped forest land.

992
01:06:35.360 --> 01:06:39.840
And there are no sightings in Putnam County. But if

993
01:06:39.880 --> 01:06:46.599
you go south of Putnam County into White County and.

994
01:06:48.119 --> 01:06:51.760
Warren County, then you start seeing.

995
01:06:54.119 --> 01:06:59.320
On these bigfoot maps where people have seen and spotted

996
01:06:59.360 --> 01:07:01.199
these creatures out there.

997
01:07:03.159 --> 01:07:05.079
Hopefully this will connect.

998
01:07:05.679 --> 01:07:08.400
Sorry about that. We had some weird tech issues come

999
01:07:08.440 --> 01:07:12.000
out of nowhere, but yeah, we're back. Sorry about that, sir.

1000
01:07:14.639 --> 01:07:19.239
Yeah, Tennessee's got his fair share over in the Smoky Mountains.

1001
01:07:19.280 --> 01:07:23.039
You know, there's you know Dave Politi's He's written over

1002
01:07:23.039 --> 01:07:25.239
there in his four to one one books about you know,

1003
01:07:26.119 --> 01:07:30.159
you know, little children, you know, out in the field,

1004
01:07:30.239 --> 01:07:33.599
playing under the supervision of their parents. They look away

1005
01:07:33.679 --> 01:07:36.119
for a second or two, and next thing you know,

1006
01:07:36.159 --> 01:07:39.360
their kids are gone and there's not a trace. They

1007
01:07:39.400 --> 01:07:42.119
mount a big man hunt and nobody can find them.

1008
01:07:42.199 --> 01:07:45.360
Yeah, the whole Dennis Martin case is wild. I believe

1009
01:07:45.519 --> 01:07:46.719
it's probably what it is.

1010
01:07:47.199 --> 01:07:50.360
You know, So it leads me to believe that these

1011
01:07:50.400 --> 01:07:54.480
creatures can can camouflage and hide in plain sight.

1012
01:07:56.519 --> 01:07:56.800
You know.

1013
01:07:56.960 --> 01:07:59.199
People think they may be looking at a tree or

1014
01:07:59.239 --> 01:08:03.840
a stump or a rock or a bush, you know,

1015
01:08:04.119 --> 01:08:06.039
and they just don't know what they're looking at, and

1016
01:08:06.079 --> 01:08:11.079
they can't you know. Some strange some strange stuff is

1017
01:08:12.519 --> 01:08:16.239
there's a lot of things about this this earth that

1018
01:08:16.680 --> 01:08:17.560
we can't explain.

1019
01:08:18.560 --> 01:08:22.600
Oh, I I agreed. Along the rest of your life,

1020
01:08:22.640 --> 01:08:24.800
did you ever get to a point where you're like,

1021
01:08:24.880 --> 01:08:26.720
you know what, I'm actually going to go out and

1022
01:08:27.680 --> 01:08:31.520
look for Bigfoot myself or was there no desire ever

1023
01:08:31.680 --> 01:08:32.119
to do that?

1024
01:08:33.840 --> 01:08:37.439
No, I was, I was gonna I was going to

1025
01:08:37.520 --> 01:08:42.520
try to track down Dave Eller down here in Nashville

1026
01:08:43.000 --> 01:08:45.800
to see if I could go out with him wherever

1027
01:08:45.840 --> 01:08:51.000
he goes and and see if we can come up

1028
01:08:51.039 --> 01:08:58.479
with with some encounters. And because I don't know if

1029
01:08:58.520 --> 01:09:02.119
the Sasquatch ritters that they're seeing in this neck of

1030
01:09:02.159 --> 01:09:06.680
the woods look anything like what uh you know we

1031
01:09:06.680 --> 01:09:10.000
we I saw out in California. I know, the stuff

1032
01:09:10.039 --> 01:09:13.520
they see down in the in the big thicket parts

1033
01:09:13.560 --> 01:09:18.960
of Texas. They look more like uh, you know apes.

1034
01:09:19.520 --> 01:09:23.560
They got the face of an ape, I guess. And yeah,

1035
01:09:23.600 --> 01:09:27.279
so they're you know, and they're reporting that some of

1036
01:09:27.279 --> 01:09:28.840
these creatures have three.

1037
01:09:28.680 --> 01:09:31.239
Toes, four toes, five toes.

1038
01:09:32.239 --> 01:09:36.880
You know. I don't know if that's interbreeding problems. I

1039
01:09:36.880 --> 01:09:42.079
don't know what causes that, you know. And and I

1040
01:09:42.199 --> 01:09:43.920
was gonna I was going to say to you that

1041
01:09:45.199 --> 01:09:50.800
there's a there's a mountain resort in eastern Tennessee called.

1042
01:09:51.840 --> 01:09:57.079
McCloud Mountain, McCloud Mountain Lodge, and.

1043
01:09:58.439 --> 01:10:01.159
A few years back my wife and I took my

1044
01:10:01.279 --> 01:10:04.600
wife to that lodge. It sits up on top of

1045
01:10:04.640 --> 01:10:07.880
this mountain and you can look out over Norris Lake

1046
01:10:08.000 --> 01:10:13.119
and all. It's pretty close to the Kentucky border, and

1047
01:10:13.439 --> 01:10:15.920
so we spent the night up there. It's really a beautiful,

1048
01:10:16.439 --> 01:10:22.199
beautiful place and beautiful rooms, great food. So the next

1049
01:10:22.319 --> 01:10:26.319
day when we left, as I noticed that I didn't

1050
01:10:26.319 --> 01:10:29.439
see I didn't really pay attention when we pulled into

1051
01:10:29.479 --> 01:10:33.119
the into the compound where this lodge is, but it's

1052
01:10:33.159 --> 01:10:39.399
got about a fourteen foot wall all around the uh,

1053
01:10:40.479 --> 01:10:44.039
the lodge, And I thought that is kind of why

1054
01:10:44.079 --> 01:10:46.640
would they have like a twelve or fourteen foot wall

1055
01:10:46.880 --> 01:10:51.920
high wall around around this place that just and on

1056
01:10:52.000 --> 01:10:55.880
the and on the face of the of the of

1057
01:10:55.960 --> 01:10:58.479
the lodge, on the on the part of all the

1058
01:10:58.520 --> 01:11:01.720
buildings where all the windows are. It's just a sheer

1059
01:11:01.880 --> 01:11:05.680
drop off of just hundreds and hundreds of feet, you know.

1060
01:11:05.760 --> 01:11:08.399
So it's it sits right on the edge of this cliff.

1061
01:11:09.000 --> 01:11:14.199
So anyway, we're leaving the lodge, I notice the walls.

1062
01:11:14.720 --> 01:11:17.680
Makes me wonder. And as I go through.

1063
01:11:17.479 --> 01:11:22.960
The the exit, I see this little sign.

1064
01:11:24.439 --> 01:11:26.279
And by the way, there's no on the on.

1065
01:11:26.239 --> 01:11:31.159
The road that goes from this little town of La

1066
01:11:31.159 --> 01:11:34.119
Foyette or something like that, all the way to the

1067
01:11:34.159 --> 01:11:37.159
top of the mountain. Nobody lives up there. You got

1068
01:11:37.159 --> 01:11:39.159
to go clear the top of the mountain before you

1069
01:11:39.279 --> 01:11:43.439
see two or three cabins plus this lodge, and that's it.

1070
01:11:43.880 --> 01:11:45.119
There's just there's nothing.

1071
01:11:45.119 --> 01:11:48.079
There's nothing up there, hardly, just a few little cabins.

1072
01:11:48.359 --> 01:11:50.840
So anyway, go out the gate on our way home,

1073
01:11:51.479 --> 01:11:57.520
I see this sign. It says something like overlook or

1074
01:11:57.560 --> 01:11:58.520
something like that.

1075
01:11:59.000 --> 01:12:01.640
And it's it's got an narrow pointing to the right.

1076
01:12:01.880 --> 01:12:03.319
So I thought, okay, well we'll go.

1077
01:12:03.520 --> 01:12:07.159
Let's go drive over and see what this overlook looks like.

1078
01:12:07.960 --> 01:12:11.239
So we drive out there about half a mile and

1079
01:12:12.399 --> 01:12:17.039
the paved road starts to get pretty iffy, and then

1080
01:12:17.079 --> 01:12:20.439
it goes to dirt, and then it goes it got

1081
01:12:20.439 --> 01:12:22.239
to the point where it was actually a four wheel

1082
01:12:22.319 --> 01:12:26.880
drive road. So I keep going and I finally find

1083
01:12:27.640 --> 01:12:32.199
this this place called the overlook, and it's a.

1084
01:12:32.159 --> 01:12:33.600
Part of the top of this mountain.

1085
01:12:33.600 --> 01:12:39.359
It is solid granite, and and I'm not sure who

1086
01:12:39.399 --> 01:12:44.279
did it, but they built all these wooden walkways with

1087
01:12:44.479 --> 01:12:49.239
handrails all over the top of the of this top

1088
01:12:49.279 --> 01:12:50.479
of this of this.

1089
01:12:50.520 --> 01:12:53.399
Granite kind of part of the top of this mountain.

1090
01:12:54.199 --> 01:12:58.199
And it was about I would say that the area

1091
01:12:58.279 --> 01:13:03.039
that this walkway covered wash maybe.

1092
01:13:04.720 --> 01:13:06.960
Three or four acres pretty good size.

1093
01:13:07.960 --> 01:13:11.000
So anyway, we get we take some pictures, and we

1094
01:13:11.119 --> 01:13:15.079
get back in the truck and we're headed back out

1095
01:13:15.159 --> 01:13:18.760
to the road that goes down that mountain when and

1096
01:13:18.840 --> 01:13:22.560
my wife is looking at her Facebook page and sending

1097
01:13:22.600 --> 01:13:25.880
pictures to all her friends. So I'm driving out here,

1098
01:13:26.760 --> 01:13:30.439
and I just I was going really slow because it's

1099
01:13:31.000 --> 01:13:33.000
I had to be in four wheel drive to get

1100
01:13:33.039 --> 01:13:35.520
out of this thing, big deep ruts and all this stuff.

1101
01:13:36.039 --> 01:13:37.119
And I looked off to my.

1102
01:13:37.159 --> 01:13:42.039
Left and and I see a tree formation that just

1103
01:13:42.119 --> 01:13:43.600
looks odd.

1104
01:13:44.199 --> 01:13:45.720
So I stopping back up.

1105
01:13:46.680 --> 01:13:50.439
And I look at it, and I thought, this looks

1106
01:13:50.520 --> 01:13:54.680
like a Sasquatch trail marker that I've read about. So

1107
01:13:54.760 --> 01:13:58.920
I got out and I walked over to it, and

1108
01:13:59.680 --> 01:14:04.640
there was there was a footpath, pretty well worn footpath

1109
01:14:05.119 --> 01:14:09.319
that went from the area next to the road, this

1110
01:14:09.520 --> 01:14:13.880
dirt road, four wheel drive road, and it kind of

1111
01:14:13.920 --> 01:14:17.279
went up the up the side of this really steep

1112
01:14:17.399 --> 01:14:18.119
part of the hill.

1113
01:14:18.359 --> 01:14:20.079
I don't I don't think I.

1114
01:14:20.000 --> 01:14:23.439
Could have walked up it. Uh, it was that steep,

1115
01:14:23.800 --> 01:14:26.000
but it was well worn, it had a lot of

1116
01:14:26.079 --> 01:14:30.560
foot traffic on it. And and so right next to

1117
01:14:30.600 --> 01:14:36.079
this path there was a sapling, a pine sapling about

1118
01:14:36.359 --> 01:14:39.479
I want to say, about three inches in diameter, and

1119
01:14:39.640 --> 01:14:43.800
about from where the tree came out of the ground

1120
01:14:44.520 --> 01:14:48.560
up to where it had been twisted and then snapped.

1121
01:14:50.039 --> 01:14:51.960
And I looked at that and I thought, that doesn't

1122
01:14:52.000 --> 01:14:55.359
happen in nature. And I looked around at other trees,

1123
01:14:55.399 --> 01:14:58.760
and there no other damage trees next to it at all.

1124
01:14:59.520 --> 01:15:01.119
And then down below.

1125
01:15:00.800 --> 01:15:05.039
It, about five or six feet there was another sapling

1126
01:15:05.840 --> 01:15:08.039
that was about I want to say the tree was

1127
01:15:08.079 --> 01:15:14.319
about twenty five maybe maybe thirty feet long, and it

1128
01:15:14.399 --> 01:15:18.479
had been bent into an arc. And then the top

1129
01:15:18.520 --> 01:15:21.680
of the tree was jammed down into the into the ground,

1130
01:15:22.560 --> 01:15:26.640
and then there was there was nothing else holding the tree.

1131
01:15:26.880 --> 01:15:29.680
It was just the top of the tree jammed into

1132
01:15:29.720 --> 01:15:32.960
the dirt it and it held that tree in a

1133
01:15:33.000 --> 01:15:37.039
perfect arc. That doesn't happen in nature either.

1134
01:15:38.680 --> 01:15:40.680
That's some that is some wild stuff.

1135
01:15:40.760 --> 01:15:43.359
Wow. Yep. So I got home.

1136
01:15:43.880 --> 01:15:47.720
I got home later that it's about a two and

1137
01:15:47.760 --> 01:15:49.680
a half hour drive over there from where we live.

1138
01:15:50.880 --> 01:15:53.680
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1139
01:15:53.760 --> 01:15:55.439
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1140
01:15:59.079 --> 01:16:03.479
And it's all just really little bitty farms here.

1141
01:16:03.359 --> 01:16:07.279
And there, really really old farm buildings, some of them

1142
01:16:07.399 --> 01:16:12.960
built on rock foundations. Have you ever seen that where

1143
01:16:12.960 --> 01:16:17.119
they build the old houses way back in the eighteen hundreds,

1144
01:16:17.119 --> 01:16:20.119
they the foundation is they built.

1145
01:16:19.960 --> 01:16:23.560
They put the wooden structure on top of rocks. They

1146
01:16:23.640 --> 01:16:24.760
use that for a foundation.

1147
01:16:24.960 --> 01:16:26.960
Oh yeah, absolutely, yeah, I've seen that.

1148
01:16:27.399 --> 01:16:29.439
Yeah you see. Okay, yeah, we've all seen that stuff.

1149
01:16:29.640 --> 01:16:32.479
So anyway, that's kind of what's back there. Wow. And

1150
01:16:32.520 --> 01:16:33.399
these little.

1151
01:16:33.119 --> 01:16:37.560
Towns are kind of small and you know, so it's

1152
01:16:37.800 --> 01:16:41.520
just kind of remote up there on top of McLoud Mountain.

1153
01:16:41.920 --> 01:16:45.199
So anyway, I drive home and the next day.

1154
01:16:45.359 --> 01:16:49.720
I get on the computer and I track down this guy,

1155
01:16:50.880 --> 01:16:54.680
Bob's Strain, and I come up with his wife, Kathy Strain,

1156
01:16:54.760 --> 01:16:58.239
and it tells all about her that she's an anthropologist.

1157
01:16:58.600 --> 01:17:02.720
She works for the US Department of Forestry and when

1158
01:17:02.760 --> 01:17:05.199
they when they are in the National Forest and they

1159
01:17:05.239 --> 01:17:09.880
come upon Indian remains, then that's her Bailey Wick. She

1160
01:17:10.439 --> 01:17:14.039
works with the Indian tribes to do whatever the Indian

1161
01:17:14.119 --> 01:17:16.880
tribe wants wants to do with those bones, you know,

1162
01:17:17.399 --> 01:17:20.319
take them someplace, bury them someplace, you.

1163
01:17:20.279 --> 01:17:22.680
Know, reburying. I don't know whatever they do.

1164
01:17:23.239 --> 01:17:28.000
But that's but because of because of her job, and

1165
01:17:28.079 --> 01:17:32.760
because she's out in the forests all the time, in

1166
01:17:32.880 --> 01:17:38.840
pretty remote parts of the California forest, she she's come

1167
01:17:38.880 --> 01:17:42.359
into contact with these things, and so she was so

1168
01:17:42.439 --> 01:17:46.840
I called, so I sent her a messenger. I didn't

1169
01:17:46.880 --> 01:17:49.359
know what her phone number was, I didn't know what

1170
01:17:49.439 --> 01:17:52.880
her email address was, but I found her on the

1171
01:17:53.039 --> 01:17:56.600
Facebook and Messenger, so I sent her. I sent her

1172
01:17:56.640 --> 01:17:59.479
a picture of this thing, and I said, what is this?

1173
01:18:00.159 --> 01:18:02.680
And she rode right back within maybe half an hour

1174
01:18:02.760 --> 01:18:05.640
or so and said, Oh, that's a Sasquatch trail marker.

1175
01:18:05.960 --> 01:18:09.920
Where is that? And I said McLoud Mountain in East Tennessee,

1176
01:18:10.840 --> 01:18:14.640
and she said, yeah, they're just marking the trail. And

1177
01:18:16.119 --> 01:18:17.119
so that's kind of what.

1178
01:18:17.279 --> 01:18:21.479
So as I drive around Tennessee, and I'm a motorcyclist,

1179
01:18:22.119 --> 01:18:25.479
even at I'm seventy nine, and I'm still riding the motorcycles,

1180
01:18:25.479 --> 01:18:29.279
you know, but I rode them all my life on

1181
01:18:29.319 --> 01:18:32.239
the highway patrol Adam as I was a kid. Can't

1182
01:18:32.239 --> 01:18:37.079
get motorcycles out of my blood. So we got beautiful

1183
01:18:37.159 --> 01:18:41.439
backcountry roads here. The roads are well paved, they go

1184
01:18:41.520 --> 01:18:46.079
out in the middle of nowhere, and I'm always looking

1185
01:18:47.399 --> 01:18:48.960
for any kind of.

1186
01:18:50.439 --> 01:18:56.039
Tree structure that just looks odd. The road that I

1187
01:18:56.159 --> 01:18:56.880
live on.

1188
01:18:57.600 --> 01:19:04.439
Has about twelve houses on it, and it's about not

1189
01:19:04.560 --> 01:19:07.359
quite a mile long, and it dead ends. It dead

1190
01:19:07.479 --> 01:19:11.039
ends up the hill from me, and from that point on,

1191
01:19:11.720 --> 01:19:16.359
it's about fifteen thousand acres of nothing but undeveloped woods.

1192
01:19:16.760 --> 01:19:20.439
The only thing that goes through that fifteen thousand acres

1193
01:19:21.159 --> 01:19:26.479
is an underground high pressure propane line that goes from

1194
01:19:26.640 --> 01:19:33.399
Nashville to Knoxville, and it's buried underground, but there's a

1195
01:19:33.399 --> 01:19:36.760
big clearing on, you know, so they can have access

1196
01:19:36.880 --> 01:19:38.359
to go in there and work on that line if

1197
01:19:38.399 --> 01:19:41.920
they have to. And I take my four wheeler and

1198
01:19:41.960 --> 01:19:45.560
I go back in there. And I have looked all

1199
01:19:45.600 --> 01:19:49.079
over that place back there, looking for any kind of

1200
01:19:49.600 --> 01:19:52.600
weird signs of anything, and I have yet to find it.

1201
01:19:53.680 --> 01:19:58.720
But I'm going to dig up Dave Eller's I'm going

1202
01:19:58.760 --> 01:20:00.079
to see if I can figure out how to a

1203
01:20:00.239 --> 01:20:01.039
hold of him.

1204
01:20:01.399 --> 01:20:02.640
I know that they just.

1205
01:20:02.640 --> 01:20:07.079
Had a bigfoot conference down in nick Menville, YEP, which

1206
01:20:07.119 --> 01:20:11.560
is about an hour and twenty minutes from my house.

1207
01:20:12.520 --> 01:20:15.520
And I didn't know it, or I would have been

1208
01:20:15.560 --> 01:20:22.359
there because Ella was there. Who's the guy with the

1209
01:20:22.399 --> 01:20:27.319
Sierra Sounds. Ron Morehead, yep, Ron Morehead, he was there

1210
01:20:28.199 --> 01:20:29.760
and a bunch of other people were there.

1211
01:20:29.800 --> 01:20:32.560
Oh, you're talking about the ten wild Man Conference.

1212
01:20:34.079 --> 01:20:34.720
Yeah, it just.

1213
01:20:34.680 --> 01:20:38.760
Happened that supposedly over the weekend. Yeah, there are a

1214
01:20:38.800 --> 01:20:41.039
lot of Really, you need to go next year if

1215
01:20:41.439 --> 01:20:44.359
you can make it, because the people there are all

1216
01:20:44.560 --> 01:20:47.279
fantastic people. I've met a lot of them and they

1217
01:20:47.279 --> 01:20:49.199
are just great individuals.

1218
01:20:50.680 --> 01:20:55.239
These aren't people that are delusional, no, you know, these

1219
01:20:55.279 --> 01:20:57.159
aren't people making up stories.

1220
01:20:57.760 --> 01:20:57.960
You know.

1221
01:20:58.680 --> 01:21:04.199
Ron Moorehead tells pretty spooky stories about were they. He

1222
01:21:04.399 --> 01:21:08.560
was up there with those people and they they went

1223
01:21:08.600 --> 01:21:15.119
inside this tree or something and somebody it wasn't them

1224
01:21:15.159 --> 01:21:18.199
that made it, but it was already there, and they

1225
01:21:18.199 --> 01:21:20.560
went up and it was kind of like this camping

1226
01:21:20.680 --> 01:21:23.840
spot up in the Sierra Mountains. And they were back

1227
01:21:24.399 --> 01:21:28.279
miles and miles back in there, and almost immediately when

1228
01:21:28.319 --> 01:21:31.600
they got back there, they heard tree knocks and whooping

1229
01:21:31.720 --> 01:21:35.199
and hollering and carrying on all night until.

1230
01:21:34.920 --> 01:21:35.760
It got down.

1231
01:21:36.640 --> 01:21:39.720
It got down right in their campsite, and they took

1232
01:21:39.880 --> 01:21:47.039
refuge in this hollowed out tree and somebody had created this.

1233
01:21:48.640 --> 01:21:50.359
Out of logs or something.

1234
01:21:50.720 --> 01:21:55.159
That were chained together, they could make make this little

1235
01:21:55.159 --> 01:21:58.680
fortress in this hollowed out tree, and they all got

1236
01:21:58.680 --> 01:22:03.199
in there to protect themselves because I guess there was

1237
01:22:03.239 --> 01:22:08.600
some pretty aggressive stuff going on out in their campsite.

1238
01:22:09.439 --> 01:22:14.920
And that's some pretty spooky stuff. But do you.

1239
01:22:15.039 --> 01:22:18.720
Believe that our government knows all about these creatures?

1240
01:22:18.920 --> 01:22:19.079
Oh?

1241
01:22:19.119 --> 01:22:21.560
Totally, absolutely.

1242
01:22:21.680 --> 01:22:24.159
They know more about these They know more about these

1243
01:22:24.199 --> 01:22:26.159
things than anybody on the planet.

1244
01:22:26.239 --> 01:22:26.680
Probably.

1245
01:22:27.640 --> 01:22:31.119
I wouldn't be surprised if they actually got one in captivity.

1246
01:22:32.159 --> 01:22:32.439
Dude.

1247
01:22:32.479 --> 01:22:35.880
I've heard some wild stuff and it's like, if there's

1248
01:22:35.920 --> 01:22:38.800
all the UFO stuff and that that's coming out, you

1249
01:22:38.920 --> 01:22:43.319
know that. I mean, you hear all these stories about

1250
01:22:43.840 --> 01:22:48.239
stuff around bases or sightings on bases in certain areas,

1251
01:22:48.359 --> 01:22:51.079
you know that there's there's got to be some bigfoot

1252
01:22:51.159 --> 01:22:56.079
that are and some people even think that the bigfoot

1253
01:22:56.119 --> 01:22:59.880
stuff is related to the UFO stuff coming out, And

1254
01:23:00.399 --> 01:23:01.319
I mean that's an interest.

1255
01:23:01.399 --> 01:23:03.520
See all these orbs, these these.

1256
01:23:03.439 --> 01:23:07.560
These light orbs in the in the forest, you know,

1257
01:23:08.119 --> 01:23:12.560
and uh, they see all this kind of stuff, and uh,

1258
01:23:12.760 --> 01:23:14.680
you wonder what the heck is that stuff?

1259
01:23:14.720 --> 01:23:19.319
You know, It's it's very very interesting because there's no

1260
01:23:19.479 --> 01:23:23.479
right or wrong answers, and it's like every answer you

1261
01:23:23.560 --> 01:23:27.119
find leads to ten different questions. And yeah, it's it's

1262
01:23:27.199 --> 01:23:28.000
crazy stuff.

1263
01:23:30.520 --> 01:23:30.720
You know.

1264
01:23:30.920 --> 01:23:34.760
The the Indians, you know, they've they've had relationships with

1265
01:23:34.840 --> 01:23:38.279
the Kathy Strain's got this book, and I'm you've got

1266
01:23:38.319 --> 01:23:41.199
a couple of books. I'm I'm gonna go on Amazon

1267
01:23:41.199 --> 01:23:44.039
and see if I can find them. And uh and

1268
01:23:44.359 --> 01:23:48.600
because all her all those encounters that she writes about

1269
01:23:48.920 --> 01:23:52.279
are just the stories told to her by the Indian tribes,

1270
01:23:52.800 --> 01:23:54.159
the Lakota.

1271
01:23:54.239 --> 01:23:56.880
And the you know and the Navajo and the.

1272
01:23:57.000 --> 01:24:02.840
Patchy and and all those folks. And I think it

1273
01:24:03.039 --> 01:24:05.920
was either the Navajo or the Apache drove them out

1274
01:24:05.960 --> 01:24:12.319
of Arizona and drove them back up up and you know,

1275
01:24:12.439 --> 01:24:15.439
up in the northern Utah and up and there. But

1276
01:24:16.399 --> 01:24:18.680
you know, there's I mean, I've I've listened to so

1277
01:24:18.800 --> 01:24:26.800
many credible podcasts where you know, these these helicopter pilots

1278
01:24:26.800 --> 01:24:31.560
and their observers are out flying, flying these big power

1279
01:24:31.600 --> 01:24:35.279
lines just to make sure that you know, tree limbs

1280
01:24:35.319 --> 01:24:39.960
or branches or debris aren't, you know, uh, interfering with

1281
01:24:40.119 --> 01:24:43.960
the transmission lines. And they're out in the middle of nowhere,

1282
01:24:44.000 --> 01:24:47.159
you know, out in places that would take you a

1283
01:24:47.279 --> 01:24:51.479
day or two to hike into. And here's a here's

1284
01:24:51.479 --> 01:24:56.119
a here's a male sasquatch, mama sasquatch and baby sasquatch

1285
01:24:56.760 --> 01:25:00.560
just out there in the middle of nowhere, and and uh.

1286
01:25:01.560 --> 01:25:05.039
And in some cases these things will stand their ground.

1287
01:25:05.760 --> 01:25:10.479
Others other times they just run away. You know.

1288
01:25:10.600 --> 01:25:17.439
It's wow, it's mysterious. It's it's mysterious. And this guy

1289
01:25:17.680 --> 01:25:21.760
run the Dave Eller down here in Nashville. I I've

1290
01:25:21.880 --> 01:25:27.520
listened to him on YouTube when he's and he seems

1291
01:25:27.520 --> 01:25:36.000
to be pretty fearless. And he was talking about on

1292
01:25:36.039 --> 01:25:40.720
a podcast I listened to recently. He was talking about

1293
01:25:40.880 --> 01:25:46.920
some place, uh east west of the Nashville out in

1294
01:25:47.000 --> 01:25:53.359
the out in the woods north of Interstate forty and

1295
01:25:53.520 --> 01:25:54.760
he came to this place.

1296
01:25:54.800 --> 01:25:57.960
He called it a glade, and.

1297
01:25:57.840 --> 01:26:01.119
It's just a place in the forest where the where

1298
01:26:01.159 --> 01:26:04.479
the floor of the floor of the of the forest

1299
01:26:05.279 --> 01:26:09.079
is just solid stone. It's just out in the middle

1300
01:26:09.119 --> 01:26:14.600
of the forest. Nothing grows there. And he's had a

1301
01:26:14.600 --> 01:26:22.199
lot of encounters in those areas, and so I, you know,

1302
01:26:22.239 --> 01:26:24.199
I tried to look up to see if there was

1303
01:26:24.239 --> 01:26:28.520
any any map on on the Internet that showed where

1304
01:26:28.800 --> 01:26:33.439
some of these glades might might exist, but I couldn't

1305
01:26:33.479 --> 01:26:38.520
find anything. But he's had some pretty pretty And there's

1306
01:26:38.560 --> 01:26:45.920
another place where a lot of bigfoot sightings land between

1307
01:26:45.960 --> 01:26:51.359
the lakes. Y. Yeah, yes, part of it's in Tennessee,

1308
01:26:51.920 --> 01:26:55.680
part of it's in Kentucky. It's where the lakes were

1309
01:26:55.720 --> 01:26:58.520
formed back in the eighteen hundreds when had his big

1310
01:26:58.560 --> 01:27:05.920
earthquake and the Mississippi River reversed course and created these lakes.

1311
01:27:06.600 --> 01:27:10.680
And uh, I even read that it said that the

1312
01:27:10.800 --> 01:27:18.800
that the that the uh uh earthquake was so severe

1313
01:27:19.600 --> 01:27:23.159
that it rang the Liberty Bell and in Philadelphia.

1314
01:27:23.560 --> 01:27:24.720
Now I don't know about that.

1315
01:27:24.960 --> 01:27:27.760
That's pretty that's a wild one. But that same area

1316
01:27:27.800 --> 01:27:31.079
is wild one. It's pretty heavy with dog man sightings

1317
01:27:31.079 --> 01:27:34.920
as well. The whole land between the lakes area.

1318
01:27:35.800 --> 01:27:38.239
Yeah, Judy and I went in there. We were on

1319
01:27:38.279 --> 01:27:44.239
our way back from some camping trip out and out

1320
01:27:44.560 --> 01:27:47.359
maybe in South Dakota somewhere, and we we came through

1321
01:27:47.399 --> 01:27:51.439
there and we were gonna we and uh we spent

1322
01:27:51.520 --> 01:27:55.079
the night there in this campground in the land between

1323
01:27:55.119 --> 01:27:59.720
the lakes. It is an unusual place, and uh, but

1324
01:28:00.560 --> 01:28:03.720
that was a lot, But I wasn't into bigfoot. I

1325
01:28:03.800 --> 01:28:07.560
wasn't looking for anything at that time, and I wasn't

1326
01:28:07.560 --> 01:28:11.359
thinking about that. But later on, when I started listening

1327
01:28:11.399 --> 01:28:14.880
to this Dave Eller guy, then I thought, Wow, they

1328
01:28:14.960 --> 01:28:17.840
got a lot of a lot of sightings over there.

1329
01:28:18.479 --> 01:28:22.560
And but you got to go out and you got

1330
01:28:22.600 --> 01:28:26.359
to get away from people and where people normally go,

1331
01:28:27.000 --> 01:28:29.680
and then you'll, I guess you'll run into these things.

1332
01:28:29.720 --> 01:28:30.239
I don't know.

1333
01:28:30.880 --> 01:28:33.720
Oh absolutely, I mean you got to get back back

1334
01:28:33.720 --> 01:28:36.800
out in the nature, and who knows what you'll find,

1335
01:28:36.880 --> 01:28:41.560
so be prepared. But mister Black, this has been a

1336
01:28:41.560 --> 01:28:44.840
awesome chat. It's gone places that I wasn't expecting it

1337
01:28:44.880 --> 01:28:47.479
to go, and I'm glad it went to all the

1338
01:28:47.479 --> 01:28:50.720
places it did. But thank you so much for contacting me,

1339
01:28:50.800 --> 01:28:56.479
and I hope that you stay in touch and with

1340
01:28:56.600 --> 01:29:00.840
any other interesting things that happened in the next years.

1341
01:29:02.079 --> 01:29:05.720
I've got some friends that are retired from the Patrol

1342
01:29:05.840 --> 01:29:08.800
in California and they live down here in Warren County

1343
01:29:09.199 --> 01:29:13.479
and they live out in the middle of nothing, and uh,

1344
01:29:14.880 --> 01:29:18.079
I'm gonna I haven't seen these guys for a couple

1345
01:29:18.159 --> 01:29:20.960
of months, and I'm gonna I'm gonna see if those

1346
01:29:20.960 --> 01:29:24.760
guys have seen anything that they're just keeping to themselves,

1347
01:29:24.880 --> 01:29:28.760
you know, and because they decided that they were going

1348
01:29:28.840 --> 01:29:31.199
to be you know, they're going to raise some chickens,

1349
01:29:31.640 --> 01:29:33.079
and they're going to have a goat or.

1350
01:29:33.000 --> 01:29:35.399
Two, you know, and that kind of thing.

1351
01:29:36.000 --> 01:29:38.359
And I can't think of anything that might make a

1352
01:29:39.039 --> 01:29:41.960
good meal then a chicken or a goat, you know,

1353
01:29:42.079 --> 01:29:46.840
for some of these you know, and and you know,

1354
01:29:46.880 --> 01:29:50.239
and I've and a lot of my friends here hunt

1355
01:29:50.760 --> 01:29:53.399
and I think a lot of the people that see

1356
01:29:53.439 --> 01:29:55.880
these bigfoot are hunters.

1357
01:29:55.920 --> 01:29:58.239
And the most fascinating stories.

1358
01:29:57.840 --> 01:30:03.000
To me are told by hunters who really really tell

1359
01:30:03.079 --> 01:30:08.399
some kind of bone chilling stories about these critters and

1360
01:30:08.439 --> 01:30:12.840
how some of those guys have shot those things and

1361
01:30:12.880 --> 01:30:17.079
they just run off, they don't die. They're shooting them

1362
01:30:17.119 --> 01:30:20.600
with seven millimeter mags. They're shooting them with all kinds

1363
01:30:20.600 --> 01:30:24.720
of thirty odd sixes, and they can see the round

1364
01:30:24.800 --> 01:30:28.119
go through this thing. They can see tree bark or

1365
01:30:28.159 --> 01:30:31.239
something fly as a bullet goes through them. And these

1366
01:30:31.279 --> 01:30:34.319
things scream and yell and carry on and just run

1367
01:30:34.359 --> 01:30:40.479
off and you know, never to be found again. It's

1368
01:30:40.680 --> 01:30:43.479
just I don't know, if you can kill these things

1369
01:30:43.560 --> 01:30:43.760
or not.

1370
01:30:43.960 --> 01:30:48.359
You know, you know, it's wild. You know, who knows.

1371
01:30:48.359 --> 01:30:52.199
Maybe some days someone will We'll see. But if you

1372
01:30:52.239 --> 01:30:55.680
ever run into you any of anyone you're talking to

1373
01:30:55.800 --> 01:30:58.760
that has any other interesting things to report as well,

1374
01:30:59.000 --> 01:31:01.800
you can always feel for you to pass on my information.

1375
01:31:01.920 --> 01:31:04.960
I'd love to talk to him as well, but.

1376
01:31:05.920 --> 01:31:07.439
I'll do that. I know that.

1377
01:31:07.720 --> 01:31:09.920
The other night I was listening to this podcast and

1378
01:31:09.960 --> 01:31:13.560
these two truck drivers, husband and wife, are going up

1379
01:31:14.439 --> 01:31:17.840
up some They were in Minnesota, and they were traveling

1380
01:31:17.840 --> 01:31:21.159
along this road up that kind of parallel the Mississippi River,

1381
01:31:21.600 --> 01:31:25.560
and they see this black Hawk hawk helicopter hovering just

1382
01:31:25.600 --> 01:31:28.680
above the tree line. And as they continue to drive

1383
01:31:28.720 --> 01:31:30.960
along in their truck wherever they were.

1384
01:31:30.840 --> 01:31:38.279
Going to deliver freight, why this black Hawk kind of

1385
01:31:39.840 --> 01:31:42.279
increases its elevation and.

1386
01:31:43.800 --> 01:31:47.800
There's a big cable hanging below the helicopter, and below

1387
01:31:47.840 --> 01:31:52.479
that is a huge white bag that's attached to the

1388
01:31:52.520 --> 01:31:57.359
cable to the attached to the bottom of the helicopter.

1389
01:31:58.399 --> 01:32:02.079
And within just a few minutes of them seeing that,

1390
01:32:02.560 --> 01:32:06.279
both their cell phones rang and.

1391
01:32:05.920 --> 01:32:08.520
It was an and it was and there was.

1392
01:32:09.920 --> 01:32:12.840
A message that said we want to talk to you,

1393
01:32:14.520 --> 01:32:17.960
and they said they just they just deleted the message

1394
01:32:18.399 --> 01:32:21.039
from their voice message and they just kept on driving.

1395
01:32:22.000 --> 01:32:26.119
Now that's creepy's.

1396
01:32:24.520 --> 01:32:27.399
That's some wild stuff. You never know what's going to happen,

1397
01:32:27.520 --> 01:32:29.239
for sure, it's crazy.

1398
01:32:29.359 --> 01:32:33.199
You got anyway, it's good, good, good talking to you,

1399
01:32:33.840 --> 01:32:38.319
and thanks for taking the time to listen to my crazy,

1400
01:32:38.840 --> 01:32:39.720
crazy story.

1401
01:32:40.159 --> 01:32:42.600
You got it, mister Black. Keep in touch, sir, Thank

1402
01:32:42.640 --> 01:32:43.600
you for chatting tonight.

1403
01:32:45.079 --> 01:32:46.520
Hey, good night, and have a good one.

1404
01:32:46.520 --> 01:32:49.239
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