Dec. 16, 2024

Retired Air Force Combat Controller Shares All! | Washington

Join Jeremiah Byron from the Bigfoot Society podcast as he dives deep into the incredible experiences of Scott, a retired U.S. Air Force Combat Controller. Verified by his DD 214 form, Scott shares his gripping encounters with Bigfoot from 1995 to the...

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Season 1

Join Jeremiah Byron from the Bigfoot Society podcast as he dives deep into the incredible experiences of Scott, a retired U.S. Air Force Combat Controller. Verified by his DD 214 form, Scott shares his gripping encounters with Bigfoot from 1995 to the present, primarily in the central Cascades of Washington. Scott reveals his unique qualifications in tracking and stealth, discusses his interactions and observations, and explains how these creatures operate on a seemingly supernatural level. Through various tales of hearing eerie sounds, discovering massive footprints, and witnessing unexplainable events, Scott provides compelling evidence that challenges our understanding of these elusive beings.

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slash the big for Society and now let's get on

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with the show. All right, Bigft Society got the privilege

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of talking to an individual today. His name is Scott,

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and I need to provide a little bit of background

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about Scott before we get going. Scott was an individual

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that reached out to me who is a retired US

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Air Force officer. You may hear some background interference on

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this call, which is okay. It started to happen quite frequently.

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Scott has provided his DD two and four form so

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that I can verify who he is, that he says

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he is. It's a privilege to have Scott on the

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show today, and we've got a lot of ground to

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cover about his interactions with Bigfoot over the years in

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different areas. But Scott, welcome to the show today.

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Yes, say you very much.

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We've already talked for quite a while, but Scott, I am.

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I'm excited to let you share what I already know.

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But there may be more to it too, but I'm

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going to go ahead and give things over to you.

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But we've already also stated that you are okay if

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I want to interject questions, then you're perfectly okay with that.

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Maybe more of a little interactive interview than some people

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are used to, But Scott, feel free to take us

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back to where we need to be when all this

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started to happen for you.

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All right, First, I would like to cover my background

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a little bit. I was with a combat unit called

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Combat Control, basically an air force version of the various

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special forces groups like Green Beret Rangers, Navy Seals. And

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the reason I interject this is just so that they

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understand that I know what it's like to have to

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move quietly through the woods. I know what it's like

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to have to observe things around me and to make

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sure that we're safe, that we're not running into any enemies,

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positions that we look for tracks, we look for disturbances,

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and I'm trained in that about as well as anybody

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else is. I just mentioned that because to show you

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my qualifications for that. First of all, the reason I

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wanted to give this story is more for people being

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able to understand a little bit about the nature what

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they're dealing with when they deal with bigfoot. I don't

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claim to be an expert on this or anything else,

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but I have dealt with them quite a bit over

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the years, and in my observations of them and my

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interactions with them, I've reached some interesting conclusions. First of all,

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I have to say up front, and this may sound

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strange to a lot of people, especially with the stories

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that have heard, that I've never actually seen them. I

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have seen the evidence they leave behind, but I have

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never seen them directly. I have heard them many times,

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and their ability to conceal themselves just absolutely astounds me.

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If our military could hide the way these things do,

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we would be just night and day ahead of any

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opposition that we could face. But these things are on

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a level beyond what human beings are just capable of.

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They can move through the dark quietly, without breaking a twig,

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without disturbing a thing at all. They just simply be

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able to show up next to you, and it's almost

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like their ghosts more than they are biological creatures. I

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having said that, I also want to talk about later

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in this discussion about how it is that these things

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are able to do what they're doing, and I guess

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I have to say it seems to be more on

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the line of supernatural rather than something that is biological.

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But I'll get into that a little bit further than

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the story.

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Absolutely think it would be important to if we could

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set the stage about I don't know how much into

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detail you can get where this area is, if it's

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a certain base or region, and what time frame of

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what years would be talking about.

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Okay, my interactions with them have basically been from around

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nineteen ninety five until present. I had just retired from

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the military when it happened, and it's in basically Central Cascades, Washington,

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and I will not be any more specific than that,

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simply because in this interactions that I've had with them,

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I don't want somebody else running to that area and

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trying to interfere with them because I don't want to

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chase them off. Essentially, if a bunch of people start

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running out there and there's so few roads in that

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region that if I give too many details, there's enough

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hunters and campers and whatnot that would be able to

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put two and two together and figure out that where

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I was and start running around the area. So I'm

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sorry if I'm deliberately vague, but that's why I am.

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Oh, I think there's no problem with that at all. Scott,

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You're not the first to have to be vague for

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reasons like that, which are totally respected.

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Yes, First of all, I have to throw out the

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fact that I really was not a bigfoot believer. There

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were people that I have interacted with that have run

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into them. When I lived in Central Colorado, there was

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a woman that was just freaked out over an episode

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she had at a party out by a river at night,

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and she said the thing actually went across the river

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and everybody ran and jumped into their cars and tried

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to take off, and it literally picked up the back

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of their vehicle as they were trying to leave. The

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campsite and then dropped it and then the tires dug

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into the dirt and scdadle out of there. But she

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was just completely freaked out by this, just almost in tears.

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But that was the only time I actually interacted with

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somebody that claimed to have met them directly. The other

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stories that I heard is I was stationed at Fort

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Bragg for a while, and there's a creature out there

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called the Beast of Brag or sometimes referred to as

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a Manchester monster. Most of the stories that I heard

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were second hand stories from MPs that were out there

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in the area that claimed they knew people that had

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had interactions with these things. But iven, I guess so

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you called me an agnostic about them. I wasn't really

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concerned one way or the other. But that changed in

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ninety five when I had a pastor of mine. He

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took his son out fishing, and they went into this

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area and they set up a camp site, and then

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they broke camp very quickly. He was supposed to be

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out there for three days, but the first night the

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next day comes over and he calls me up. He said,

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I need you to come out and take a look

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at this. This is just there's something really weird out here,

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and he described that something had come out to his

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campsite in the middle of the night while it was

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raining and had gone through his camps and had actually

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touched the tent and stunked really bad, and he had

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to visit the campsite twice during the night. The next

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day he gets up and looks around and discovers a

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footprint and decided to come and get me because of

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my expertise in this field looking at human tracks moving,

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and that's when I got involved. Initially I went out there.

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It was a couple of days before we went out there,

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and I had I wasn't really sure what I was

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going to find. I figured that by that time the

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track would have been We'd get rained occasionally out here

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in Washington, and it had rained a couple of times,

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and I thought that we probably would just see like

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an impression rather than the track. But when we went

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to actually look at it, I was astounded at what

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I saw. I'm used to looking at tracks the line

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work that I was doing, and what I thought was

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really interesting about this track was that, besides its size,

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which was nineteen and a half inches long, and then

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it was at the ball of the foot, it was

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exactly six inches and at the heel was five and

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a quarter inches. But what I thought was very interesting

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about it was that there's a larger pad than the

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human foot normally has in the front where the ball

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of the foot is, and it's about six inches wide,

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and it's about four inches across, and it's just a kind.

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Of an oval pad that looks like that's way they

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normally can walk with their toes elevated and their heels

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elevated and just leave a little pad footprint, so you wouldn't.

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Necessarily see the full foot. You would just see this

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pad stepping down, and you could see a little rill

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of sand behind that pad, meaning that's where the weight

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pressure actually was distributed as it was lifting its foot off.

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And I could see that in the sand imprint, which

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was about two and a half inches deep, that the

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toes actually had been angled. They were able to articulate

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their toes at about a forty five degree angle, very

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difficult for a human being to do. And when they

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walk normally, they just keep their toes elevated and their

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heel elevated and just walk on that pad when they're

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trying to conceal their movement. Additionally to this, when I

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really closely examined the track, I could tell that it

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stepped on the pad of the foot by itself and

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never it was just the fact that when it stepped

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into the sand, it had left the entire imprint. I

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don't know if this was intentional or not. And I

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didn't find any other tracks for one hundred feet around it.

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That's really bizarre. I can't even imagine how that's done.

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But I looked everywhere in that vicinity for the rest

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of the track. It was as if it just deliberately

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made that one track just to leave a marker that

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it was there. And when I say this track was

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very interesting, upon really close examination, I found the epidermal

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ridges in the foot. I could it was so clear.

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I could actually identify if I were to have, say,

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five big foot in front of me, I could actually

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identify which one by the epidermal ridges on the bottom.

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Just absolutely This was so overwhelming to me. Then we

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also tried to establish how much creature weighed based on

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the track imprint. Now, when we stepped in the sand,

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it just made little tiny impressions, and that quickly filled

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in to where it was just like an elongated depression

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with no details. However, I was able to look at

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the jeep track that we came in on in the

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sand and then have something in which to calculate the

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basis of the weight on. All I could say is

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I don't know what the extreme weight that was, but

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it took at least one thousand pounds of force to

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make that track. Now, when you step on a scale,

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you will see it jump up all of a sudden

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because it's transferring the kinetic energy from the force of

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your foot coming down in addition to your weight. It

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doesn't necessarily mean that it was one thousand pounds. It

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could have been say eight hundred pounds with twenty with

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two hundred pounds of kinetic energy added to it. So

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that changed my thing thinking about these things entirely. I

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now had something that you might call hard evidence to examine,

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and it clearly wasn't something manufactured by somebody like making

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like with a thousand pounds of force. And somebody that's

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obviously a trained pediatrist could to fake this thing. Would

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it would be just such an elaborate hoax to have

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to go through to convince somebody that there was a

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big foot around so anyway.

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Sorry, real quick? Were you able to try to make

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a cast of that footprint at all?

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But we didn't bring any materials with us for that because,

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like I said, I wasn't even sure it was going

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to be anything left. After we got there, a couple

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of days had gone by, but when we got to it,

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it was like it had just been made. So I

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don't know what, but I didn't even bother to think

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about to bring anything, and I knew nothing about making

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cast molds anyway, I suppose now and with the Internet

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and everything, you could figure it out pretty quick. But

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ninety five it really didn't quite think of those things

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that much. Sorry.

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Did you see any other things in that same area

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that were a little weird, maybe any bent trees or

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anything else that would make you think, oh, there was

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probably a big foot around here beside the track.

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That specific spot was, I guess you'd call it a

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sandy beach with the off of the stream. It was

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where the during the flood waters had washed a bunch

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of sand in next to the side of the stream.

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And there was not really any other branches per se,

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but and there was one other depressional track that was

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about similar, but it was almost two hundred feet away

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from the other one. I don't know if that was

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one of them, and it wasn't anywhere in the detail

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that it filled in with sand, but that was all

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I could find that I just I looked everywhere for

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some kind of clue and broken branches or anything that

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would give me an idea. And we spent the entire

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day going over that area.

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Big for society, who will be right back after these messages.

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So that wasn't like we just did a casual search.

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One other thing I'll mention on that is that one

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other time that I saw what I believed to be

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bigfoot tracks, we were walking down a fire break and

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all of a sudden I saw these impressions in the dirt.

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They weren't that clear, but it was clearly something very

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heavy had stepped there. And I don't know if you've

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ever had any mountain climbing experience, but when you climb

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a very snowy peak, you have to shove your feet

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as hard as you can into the embankment and then

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pressed down, and that kind of creates a little hole

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for you to step into so that you don't slide

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back down the embankment as you're climbing up it, And

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that's exactly the imprint that I saw on the embankment

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on this road. Something had shoved its feet hard into

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the side of the thing, creating a large hole much

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bigger than my foot, and had pressed down into it.

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And there were several steps bigger than I could reach

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up to each foot. But what was mysterious about it

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is that clearly it was going across this way, but

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there was a bunch of pine trees at the top

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of that embankment that were all full of dry branches

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that would have easily broken if anything had moved through them,

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and there was nothing. It's as if it walked to

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the top of the embankment and just disappeared while in

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mid step. I just don't know what to think of that.

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Have any of these This is a loaded question, so

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if you can't answer it, it's no problem. Have any

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of these locations upon your research also had other encounters

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happen in them? I mean other people, other people, Yeah, exactly, Okay.

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I dad did a search, and back in the day,

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Google Earth actually used to have a place you could

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in their field search look for bigfoot encounters. And so

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I put that in there, and it was one about

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five or six miles from the area, but that was

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the only one reported for thirty miles.

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Gotcha, it would there's a kind of a newer version

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of that now. You might want to check out if

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you go to bigfootmap dot com. It's a bigfoot mapping

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project and it might be interesting for you to take

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a look at those areas to see if there's new

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information in them now. But so, after you had these

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experiences with finding tracks in these areas, did that put

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you on a trail then to try to figure out

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what was going on with this bigfoot thing yourself?

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Oh? Yes, because now that I was convinced that there

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was something there, and I thought, okay, my first assumption,

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of course, was that we were dealing with some kind

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of unique monkey ape specie, although I will tell you

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definitively that looking at this track convinced me of something else.

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We're not dealing with apes. If you look at at

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a monkey's track, you clearly see the opposable thumb style

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as like deform hand on the bottom, and all apes

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have that capability that prehensile big dow and this was

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clearly like a human foot. It was much more like

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a human foot than any apes foot print. And this

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it had five toes. They were the same. We had

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a big toe and you had a little toe, and

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the others were intermediate in size. There was nothing except

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for the pad imprint, which if you're tracking people, and

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say certain African or Middle Eastern regions that don't use

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shoes at all, occasionally you will see that similar kind

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of print where people that are just not used to

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wearing shoes and used to walking around out of barefoot

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all of their lives have a similar not exactly the same,

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but somewhat. And so that was some takeaway that I have.

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I would say, whatever we're dealing with is far closer

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to human than anything else. Now, as far as the

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rest of my encounter, that's when we start sarted, camping

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out in the area and looking for this thing. At

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the time, my job was very flexible, so I could

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spend a lot of time out there in the woods,

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and my pastor, except when he was doing his sermon,

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he had free time, so we could go out there

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during the weekdays sometimes and camp out and see what

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was going on. So we did that a couple of

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days and nothing came to the campsite. But about the

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third time we went out there was my next greatest

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revelation about these things. We were sitting there waiting for

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the sun to set, and that about this time we

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were in the valley area, and I have to describe

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a little bit where we were situated on an abandoned

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logging road that had been probably left since the nineteen thirties,

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and there was a stream to one side of us,

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and then the mountain starts up at about a forty

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five degree angle. There's just a little wide spot that

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basically we can't to next to the stream, that's probably

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about maybe forty feet across, and we'd put our tents

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up in there. And so we had our tents set up,

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and we had a plastic table that we were sitting at,

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folding table, and we're just sitting there having a conversation

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while waiting for the night to come by. And I

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had been hearing this kind of knocking sound out in

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the woods that I just attributed to being like the

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wind blowing a couple of branches together or something like that.

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And my pastor looks at me and he said what

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I thought was the most ridiculous statement, He said, do

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you suppose they're out there trying to communicate with us? Now,

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at this point, I still thought that we were dealing

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with some just animal like similar to an EP of

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some time. And I said, ed, that's the strangest thing

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I've ever heard. Are you going to tell me that

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if I knocked on this table three times, it's going

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to answer? And for emphasis, I just went like that,

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and then all of a sudden, the knocking stops, pauses

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for a couple of seconds, and then I hear three

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knocks come out of the wood, and I'm sure my

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eyes were as wide as my pastors. He was just

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a holy crap. So we then I went and I

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knocked on the table and I did two sets, and

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out of the woods came exactly the same thing, knock,

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And I was astounded. Now this thing was actually listening

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to us and trying to engage us in conversation. What

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happened over the next hour or so was us trying

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to communicate with this thing and it responding back. Sometimes

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it was just simply mimicking what we were doing, and

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then it tried to take us in a different direction.

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I am not trained in linguistics, in any capacity and

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could not figure out what it was trying to teach us.

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When you can't physically say hold up something like say

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an apple and say apple and then the other person

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understand what you're referring to, it's very difficult to create

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a conversational mode like that. But whatever it was very

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patiently messing with us in the sense of trying to

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create this interaction of some kind. Now eventually it lost interest.

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But there was something else that went on during this

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period of time. While it was engaging, I had my

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pastor knocking and whatnot, and I was trying to figure

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out where this thing was in the woods. It was

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up there on the mountain above us somewhere, but I

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didn't know how far away. So what I thought about

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doing was walking down the trail and kind of creating

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equilateral triangle and triangulate how far this distance was that

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this thing was communicating from us. And so I walked

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down the road listening to this knocking that my pastor

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was interacting it with. And as I walked down the trail,

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I figured out that it was about one hundred and

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fifty feet from us, fifty yards up on this mountain.

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And while I'm there. Another rather bizarre thing happens. As

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I'm looking up on the mountain, I see some branches moving,

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and all of a sudden, I hear an interaction between

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it and another bigfoot. They're literally trying to talk to

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each other. And to my best guess of what was

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going on is one of them had heard all the

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ruckus going on and came over to find out what

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was going on, and the other guy says, hey, I'm

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talking to these humans. Leave me alone. Because the other

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guy then walked off and left him alone. And it's

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just the grunting that they make. And by the way,

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I forgot an earlier story to this one of my

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I'm sorry I have to get a little out of

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sequence in this. But when we first had this interaction,

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my first thought was that somebody was messing with us.

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And I had a forty four magnumum in my hips,

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so I felt like I was pretty well armed to

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deal with whatever I had to deal with. And so

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I told my pastor, I said, I'm going to go

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up there in the woods and figure out who's messing

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with us. And I walked up there, and as soon

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as my foot went into the woods, the brush area

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going up there. All of a sudden, I hear this

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oh sound that just throws me to death. I've heard

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that tigers they roar a people or other animals cause

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them to just freeze. It just overwhelms their central nervous

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system to the point that they can't move. They're paralyzed.

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That's exactly what this was like. I took that step

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and almost mid step, I was like frozen, and I said, Okay,

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I'm not dealing with this so now. Then then we

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went back to doing the knocking sounds and everything, and

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then that's when I started my walkdown the trail to

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figure out how far away it was the same kind

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of grunts. And by the way, to describe this grunting,

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I would have to say, for the sake of your

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audience and their experiences, the closest thing I could describe

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it to is Chewbacca when he's doing that ah sound.

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It's like that, except it's shorter. It's only like about

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the first second or so as what you hear. It's

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not elongated that Chewbacca's style. But anyway showed me that

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there was at least more than one, and that they

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were up there watching us and trying to communicate with us,

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and later on we didn't try to engage them any

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further after that, except to say that later on that night,

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we were sleeping and I wake up and I'm just

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laying there quietly, listening to the area to see if

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there's anything moving around us or anything like that. But

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my pastor was sitting there next to me, snoring away.

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All of a sudden, he rolls over and he stops snoring,

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and it grows quiet for a little bit, and then

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here it is. It's two in the morning, and I

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hear this. And this thing had been sitting out there

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in the woods waiting for us to wake up so

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it could start the conversation again. It was interested to

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communicate with us, trying to teach us. So I wake

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up and the only thing that I had next to

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me to tap on was my pastor brought his rifle

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and had it in a case, and had the rifle

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case sitting there, and I reached over and I started

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tapping on that, and we went on for another hour

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after that, tappen away. We didn't accomplish anything, but it

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did show that this thing was anxious to communicate with us,

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and that implies a degree of sension.

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I definitely agree that, yes, it does say it makes

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you think that there's some level of intelligence entirely. How

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far away would you say it was when it started

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tapping at around the early morning hours.

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It seemed to be about in the same spot. And

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I'm going to make a point about that spot that

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it was in and why it was in that spot

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here in a little bit. But yeah, I would say

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it's about fifty yards away from us.

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Gotcha, I would have to get The other thing I

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want to ask, is so you mentioned that you would

461
00:29:04.799 --> 00:29:08.960
hear these short Chewbacca grunts. Were there any other type

462
00:29:09.039 --> 00:29:11.160
sounds that you would hear them making as well?

463
00:29:11.440 --> 00:29:15.720
Later on I'll get into that how their very diverse

464
00:29:15.880 --> 00:29:20.039
vocal range is just amazing to me. But at that time,

465
00:29:20.200 --> 00:29:22.839
that was all I did, was expressing those kind of

466
00:29:22.880 --> 00:29:27.799
those grunts if and that's not even quite an accurate description,

467
00:29:27.960 --> 00:29:32.640
but I would call very short term growls, I guess

468
00:29:32.720 --> 00:29:36.000
would be a better way of describing. I love maps,

469
00:29:36.599 --> 00:29:40.119
and so I went back, and this is before Google Earth.

470
00:29:40.839 --> 00:29:44.440
I went back and pulled out maps of that particular region,

471
00:29:45.240 --> 00:29:47.920
and I looked at the oldest maps I could find,

472
00:29:48.759 --> 00:29:53.319
and then went through more modern maps and what not

473
00:29:53.480 --> 00:29:56.440
to see what kind of features are out there. Well,

474
00:29:56.559 --> 00:30:01.200
what I discovered was an old logging bro that was

475
00:30:01.279 --> 00:30:05.839
made near as I can tell, about the nineteen twenties

476
00:30:05.960 --> 00:30:09.359
or so, that had been completely abandoned and was not

477
00:30:09.519 --> 00:30:10.559
on modern maps.

478
00:30:11.240 --> 00:30:14.079
Big for society will be right back after these messages.

479
00:30:31.680 --> 00:30:36.000
So I said, oh, that's just about the area where

480
00:30:36.039 --> 00:30:39.480
we heard the knocking from. So I go out there

481
00:30:39.519 --> 00:30:46.519
by myself, and I didn't bring a fire on, which

482
00:30:46.559 --> 00:30:48.839
was the only time I've ever been in the mountains,

483
00:30:48.920 --> 00:30:50.720
but didn't. But I just went out there and I thought,

484
00:30:50.720 --> 00:30:52.400
it's a nice day, I'll just go out there and

485
00:30:52.440 --> 00:30:54.920
I'll take a look and just verify whether this road

486
00:30:55.000 --> 00:30:59.200
is still there or not. So I went out, walked

487
00:30:59.720 --> 00:31:05.039
into the woods and found the road and it's not

488
00:31:05.200 --> 00:31:08.839
visible where the main road that connects into there. You

489
00:31:08.920 --> 00:31:12.599
can't find any sign of that anymore. It's completely gone.

490
00:31:13.480 --> 00:31:16.960
But once you walk further into the woods you can

491
00:31:17.039 --> 00:31:20.599
start to see where this trail starts to come up.

492
00:31:20.680 --> 00:31:23.079
It's all overgrown, there's trees in it. You could be

493
00:31:23.119 --> 00:31:25.519
standing in that road with an airplane flying over and

494
00:31:25.519 --> 00:31:28.160
you wouldn't see anything because it's completely tree covered now

495
00:31:28.200 --> 00:31:30.720
with all the trees going through it, but it was

496
00:31:30.839 --> 00:31:34.359
very clear that it was a game trail of some kind.

497
00:31:34.039 --> 00:31:40.279
The elk, the whatever else, deer, and possibly the bigfoot

498
00:31:40.319 --> 00:31:43.279
were running up and down this thing. And so I

499
00:31:43.319 --> 00:31:47.799
started walking along this trail and walking up with the

500
00:31:47.880 --> 00:31:51.000
map that I had trying to piece together where I

501
00:31:51.119 --> 00:31:55.000
was in connection with where my campsite had been, so

502
00:31:55.039 --> 00:31:57.680
that I could get an idea this was where this

503
00:31:57.720 --> 00:32:02.039
thing had been coming from. Sure Enough, I believe I

504
00:32:02.119 --> 00:32:04.759
went to the exact spot where this thing had been

505
00:32:04.799 --> 00:32:08.920
sitting in there because I could look over from that

506
00:32:09.279 --> 00:32:13.680
vantage point and see right down to the campsite. And

507
00:32:14.240 --> 00:32:16.880
so I said, this thing is walking quietly up and

508
00:32:16.920 --> 00:32:21.119
down this trail and is able to see everything that's

509
00:32:21.119 --> 00:32:26.640
going on in the area. And what I believe we

510
00:32:26.640 --> 00:32:33.480
were encountering was that when these bigfoot move as a group,

511
00:32:35.000 --> 00:32:40.599
I think they post at strategic locations to watch out

512
00:32:40.759 --> 00:32:44.880
and warn anybody coming out there that there's if they

513
00:32:44.880 --> 00:32:47.599
see some activity of humans coming in so that they

514
00:32:47.640 --> 00:32:50.599
can pass along. Hey, I think we might have some

515
00:32:51.000 --> 00:32:55.400
hunters or something like that, or hikers, and I believe

516
00:32:55.480 --> 00:32:58.920
they just were sitting out there using this as an

517
00:32:58.960 --> 00:33:03.240
observation point, like the military does. I think everything they

518
00:33:03.319 --> 00:33:06.759
do is very tactical. They just set things up the

519
00:33:06.759 --> 00:33:09.680
way that we would do if we were trying to

520
00:33:09.720 --> 00:33:12.960
move our families in a more or less tactical environment

521
00:33:13.000 --> 00:33:18.200
to avoid running into dangers. And so I think that

522
00:33:18.359 --> 00:33:21.480
spot where we just happened to park our tent was

523
00:33:21.519 --> 00:33:27.640
an outpost for them, and so as I. By the way,

524
00:33:27.680 --> 00:33:30.319
I had a bizarre story with this because I walk

525
00:33:30.440 --> 00:33:35.359
up the trail further and I was looking at the map,

526
00:33:35.400 --> 00:33:38.440
and I said, there's a switchback from the old logging

527
00:33:38.519 --> 00:33:41.640
trucks that went up here, and I thought I would

528
00:33:41.720 --> 00:33:44.400
just walk up to that just to make sure that

529
00:33:44.519 --> 00:33:48.279
it was still usable. And as I'm walking up to

530
00:33:48.359 --> 00:33:52.920
this site, something big. I'm just about to get to

531
00:33:52.960 --> 00:33:58.480
the switchback area and something huge runs off into the bushes,

532
00:34:00.079 --> 00:34:02.799
and I thought, okay, it could just be an elk,

533
00:34:02.799 --> 00:34:05.160
because we have plenty of those in the area. There's

534
00:34:05.200 --> 00:34:07.400
no shortage of elk at all. I run into them

535
00:34:07.440 --> 00:34:11.119
all the time out there. As I walked up to there,

536
00:34:11.599 --> 00:34:13.519
when you get up to a switchback, there's a place

537
00:34:13.559 --> 00:34:16.840
where the logging truck needs a wide area to make

538
00:34:16.880 --> 00:34:20.119
its turn. And that's all leveled out. And sure enough

539
00:34:20.159 --> 00:34:24.519
that was still there and pretty well cleared out, although bushy,

540
00:34:24.639 --> 00:34:28.840
but not no big trees or anything. And as I

541
00:34:28.920 --> 00:34:32.559
walk up to that area after hearing this thing run

542
00:34:32.599 --> 00:34:35.639
off into the brush, I didn't stand there, and I said,

543
00:34:35.880 --> 00:34:38.360
looking off into the brush aery, wondering what it was

544
00:34:38.400 --> 00:34:42.039
that I had just missed. And all of a sudden,

545
00:34:42.079 --> 00:34:45.519
I hear something coming back through the brush and I

546
00:34:45.559 --> 00:34:49.199
can hear it smelling me that snorting sound of something

547
00:34:49.320 --> 00:34:54.119
drawing in through its nostrils. And I thought, okay, that's

548
00:34:54.239 --> 00:35:01.159
not an elk. They don't do that. And I thought, okay,

549
00:35:01.199 --> 00:35:05.119
I've run into a bear. I stood there, and this

550
00:35:05.280 --> 00:35:07.679
is how I was trained to deal with bears. Everybody

551
00:35:07.800 --> 00:35:09.440
has their own thing, but when I was a kid

552
00:35:09.480 --> 00:35:13.000
growing up in Wyoming in Colorado, this is what those

553
00:35:13.000 --> 00:35:15.239
people told me to do when I run into a bear,

554
00:35:16.000 --> 00:35:21.599
and they say, face whatever it is where this bear is.

555
00:35:22.119 --> 00:35:25.519
Don't look at them directly, because that's a challenge. You

556
00:35:25.599 --> 00:35:29.039
look to one side or the other, and that tells

557
00:35:29.079 --> 00:35:32.920
them that you're aware of their presence. But whatever, you

558
00:35:33.000 --> 00:35:37.320
don't look nervous, don't do anything showing excitement, just stand

559
00:35:37.360 --> 00:35:42.199
there casually, like you're relaxed, and because these animals read

560
00:35:42.239 --> 00:35:47.440
body language just like we do, and when it sits

561
00:35:47.480 --> 00:35:49.960
there and is evaluating whether you're a meal or not,

562
00:35:50.639 --> 00:35:53.360
it's going to say, Okay, he knows I'm here, he's

563
00:35:53.400 --> 00:35:56.719
not running away, and he doesn't seem to be concerned.

564
00:35:57.960 --> 00:36:03.800
Therefore he must have something with him that equalizes the situation,

565
00:36:04.079 --> 00:36:05.880
and that I might get hurt if I try to

566
00:36:05.920 --> 00:36:09.039
make a meal out of it. And I stood there

567
00:36:09.079 --> 00:36:12.559
patiently waiting. Also, the other thing they taught me was

568
00:36:12.920 --> 00:36:16.280
look for your exit route, and if you're dealing with bears,

569
00:36:17.039 --> 00:36:20.400
the run between trees that are too wide for it

570
00:36:20.440 --> 00:36:22.679
to or too close together for it to come through,

571
00:36:22.719 --> 00:36:26.119
because they can't make turns that easily. And so I

572
00:36:26.159 --> 00:36:28.519
took a glance down the road looking and counted, okay,

573
00:36:28.760 --> 00:36:31.800
three trees that were groups of trees where it was

574
00:36:31.840 --> 00:36:35.079
close enough for me to get through quickly without him

575
00:36:35.119 --> 00:36:37.159
being able to get through. So I had my accent

576
00:36:37.239 --> 00:36:42.440
route planned and so I just stood there, and eventually it,

577
00:36:42.880 --> 00:36:45.679
I guess, decided that wasn't worth its time, and it

578
00:36:45.760 --> 00:36:49.119
moved on. I started looking around to see why it

579
00:36:49.239 --> 00:36:52.800
was standing there in the first place, and there right

580
00:36:52.840 --> 00:36:55.440
at the edge of the switch was a tree where

581
00:36:56.079 --> 00:37:01.159
clearly it was a bear because the scratch marks were

582
00:37:01.679 --> 00:37:05.559
huge on it. They were I as I'm six foot

583
00:37:05.559 --> 00:37:07.679
one and as I stand, I can reach about eight

584
00:37:07.719 --> 00:37:11.000
foot even on if I was trying to reach, say

585
00:37:11.000 --> 00:37:14.519
an eight foot ceiling. And I went up to the

586
00:37:14.559 --> 00:37:17.519
track and I stood flat footed, and I raised my

587
00:37:18.239 --> 00:37:20.280
hand up as far high as I could go, and

588
00:37:20.360 --> 00:37:22.719
I was still about four and a half inches from

589
00:37:22.800 --> 00:37:27.400
the top of the tallest scratch marks. So I was

590
00:37:27.440 --> 00:37:31.920
dealing with something pretty big, whatever it was. So I said, Okay,

591
00:37:31.960 --> 00:37:35.079
I guess I'm lucky. I'm never going to go unarmed again.

592
00:37:35.360 --> 00:37:36.840
As a matter of fact, I went and bought the

593
00:37:36.960 --> 00:37:39.440
largest handgun I could find at the time, which was

594
00:37:39.440 --> 00:37:41.920
a four to fifty four Kissol, and I've carried that

595
00:37:41.960 --> 00:37:45.440
with me ever since. But that was my story of

596
00:37:45.480 --> 00:37:51.159
that particular area where it made it its outpost. And

597
00:37:51.239 --> 00:37:53.559
I think they use that because as I'm walking up

598
00:37:53.599 --> 00:37:56.599
and down it, I could see that they were able.

599
00:37:56.679 --> 00:37:58.440
They would be able to walk up and down this

600
00:37:58.719 --> 00:38:03.239
and monitor that in entire area without being seen at all,

601
00:38:03.840 --> 00:38:06.440
and they would know if you just sat there quietly

602
00:38:06.519 --> 00:38:10.079
and watched, you could see any kind of human activity

603
00:38:10.119 --> 00:38:13.599
moving around you without you having to interact with them

604
00:38:13.760 --> 00:38:16.840
at all. And I think that's exactly what they do

605
00:38:16.960 --> 00:38:21.400
when they set their hunting territory out. They put these

606
00:38:21.400 --> 00:38:25.639
outposts out there and they look at things strategically, and

607
00:38:25.679 --> 00:38:28.760
then they when they move, they can move their families

608
00:38:29.000 --> 00:38:34.079
without fear of being intercepted by human beings. That's why

609
00:38:34.079 --> 00:38:35.679
we don't run into them very much.

610
00:38:37.000 --> 00:38:41.239
Yeah, I definitely think you're right. The Olympic Project in

611
00:38:41.280 --> 00:38:46.760
the western side of Washington, they found similar areas where

612
00:38:46.800 --> 00:38:51.440
they've found the nests. They've found almost outpost or areas

613
00:38:51.559 --> 00:38:54.960
up on the ridge where one of them could be

614
00:38:55.079 --> 00:38:58.960
watching everything that's going on and watching for intreaders that

615
00:38:59.000 --> 00:39:01.880
are coming in. So I think you're you're definitely on

616
00:39:01.960 --> 00:39:06.559
the right track with that. They have a question for

617
00:39:06.599 --> 00:39:09.519
you real quick, when you would go to this area

618
00:39:10.000 --> 00:39:12.320
or these areas, when you went back home, would you

619
00:39:12.360 --> 00:39:17.400
ever have any weird out of the ordinary things happen

620
00:39:17.719 --> 00:39:21.639
at home that may have been related to you going

621
00:39:21.679 --> 00:39:22.239
out there.

622
00:39:23.440 --> 00:39:28.159
No, I strangely enough, yeah, because I've heard of that phenomenon,

623
00:39:28.719 --> 00:39:31.599
but nothing like that. I'm in I live where my

624
00:39:31.719 --> 00:39:34.559
house is I'm out in the woods. I am. I

625
00:39:34.559 --> 00:39:37.719
don't know if you know what warehouser is, but it's

626
00:39:37.760 --> 00:39:40.800
a There are the people at cut trees and do

627
00:39:40.920 --> 00:39:44.440
the limp logging industry. I got three hundred miles of

628
00:39:44.480 --> 00:39:47.719
wilderness right next to me that belongs to them and

629
00:39:47.800 --> 00:39:50.880
the Forest Service. I got more to worry about with

630
00:39:51.039 --> 00:39:54.840
cougars and the black bear than I have with the

631
00:39:54.880 --> 00:39:58.320
two legged predators that I might runt it to. But nothing.

632
00:39:58.639 --> 00:40:02.960
I haven't had anything all and I find that amazing, actually,

633
00:40:03.039 --> 00:40:06.880
But no. I will say I had another encounter in

634
00:40:06.960 --> 00:40:11.360
a completely different area where my wife and I were

635
00:40:11.480 --> 00:40:13.320
going to go out, and I'll be happy to tell

636
00:40:13.320 --> 00:40:16.960
you this location. If anybody wants to verify my story,

637
00:40:17.039 --> 00:40:19.920
I'm more than happy to hear that. There's a town

638
00:40:19.960 --> 00:40:25.360
called Oakville. It's on Highway twelve. And my wife and

639
00:40:25.400 --> 00:40:30.440
I love camping, and she wanted to go out to

640
00:40:30.519 --> 00:40:33.760
the West Coast area, but wanted to do a back

641
00:40:33.840 --> 00:40:35.960
road kind of way of doing it too. We'll see

642
00:40:35.960 --> 00:40:38.400
if we could camp out and then end up heading

643
00:40:38.440 --> 00:40:41.719
out to the coast. So I look at one of

644
00:40:41.760 --> 00:40:44.000
the old maps in the area and I saw where

645
00:40:44.079 --> 00:40:48.280
there was some warehouse or property, and that it had

646
00:40:48.480 --> 00:40:51.800
access to a couple of streams, and so we could

647
00:40:51.800 --> 00:40:54.920
go out there and find us a camping spot. And

648
00:40:55.760 --> 00:40:58.920
there's a little town called it's not even a town really,

649
00:40:58.960 --> 00:41:01.480
it's called Brooklyn. It'll show up on the map, but

650
00:41:01.519 --> 00:41:04.800
there's really nothing there. It's like maybe a postal center

651
00:41:04.880 --> 00:41:08.719
or something like that. And that was our destination that

652
00:41:08.760 --> 00:41:12.400
we're going to go to the next morning. But we

653
00:41:12.760 --> 00:41:15.239
went in. We found an old logging road and we

654
00:41:15.320 --> 00:41:18.679
followed on it and I went to one of the

655
00:41:18.719 --> 00:41:22.559
places where it came down into the screen, and we

656
00:41:22.679 --> 00:41:29.320
set up a campsite for the night. And the next morning,

657
00:41:30.119 --> 00:41:34.159
just as it's turning light, I'm awoken to the sound

658
00:41:34.199 --> 00:41:37.239
of breaking branches right next to me. Now there was

659
00:41:37.280 --> 00:41:40.880
an old dead tree with just branches that were just

660
00:41:41.039 --> 00:41:47.239
as brittle as that just snapped with no pressure whatsoever.

661
00:41:47.960 --> 00:41:52.480
And apparently something big had hit this thing and crashed

662
00:41:52.480 --> 00:41:56.719
through it. So I assumed there was an elk that

663
00:41:56.840 --> 00:41:59.599
maybe had walked down and was startled by our campsite

664
00:41:59.599 --> 00:42:02.280
all of us, and then decided to run away or something.

665
00:42:02.840 --> 00:42:05.119
But I grabbed the gun and I get up and

666
00:42:05.159 --> 00:42:09.880
I start walking around and as I'm standing there looking

667
00:42:09.920 --> 00:42:13.719
at this tree. All of a sudden, I hear a snap,

668
00:42:14.559 --> 00:42:17.320
like a dry branch, and I look up in the

669
00:42:17.400 --> 00:42:20.440
direction where it was coming from, and there was a

670
00:42:20.559 --> 00:42:23.000
hill right next to us. It's about maybe twenty five

671
00:42:23.039 --> 00:42:27.840
feet high, but I couldn't I could see the trees

672
00:42:27.840 --> 00:42:30.039
on the top of the tops of these trees, but

673
00:42:30.079 --> 00:42:33.000
I couldn't see the base of them from my vantage point.

674
00:42:33.880 --> 00:42:36.079
And so I look up and I said, I wonder

675
00:42:36.079 --> 00:42:38.480
what that was. And then all of a sudden, I

676
00:42:38.480 --> 00:42:43.199
hear another snap. And then I hear about a minute

677
00:42:43.280 --> 00:42:46.440
later another snap. So I said, I'm going to go

678
00:42:46.559 --> 00:42:50.519
check this out. That seems strange. So I started walking

679
00:42:50.599 --> 00:42:53.920
up a game trail up the side very quietly, and

680
00:42:53.960 --> 00:42:58.159
I'm just about to get into view of the bottom

681
00:42:58.239 --> 00:43:01.079
part of this tree where this snap is coming from.

682
00:43:01.960 --> 00:43:06.199
And my wife just happened to cough at that moment,

683
00:43:06.360 --> 00:43:08.719
and she was still in the tent, and I asked,

684
00:43:08.840 --> 00:43:12.519
I heard her coughing, and I stopped for a second,

685
00:43:12.519 --> 00:43:16.559
and I wait, and then but the snapping didn't continue,

686
00:43:17.400 --> 00:43:21.960
and so I cautiously continued walking up the hill and

687
00:43:21.960 --> 00:43:26.440
there was nothing there, but there were these branches, some

688
00:43:26.480 --> 00:43:28.719
of them as high as nine feet that had been

689
00:43:28.800 --> 00:43:32.079
snapped off and were just laying there on the ground.

690
00:43:32.639 --> 00:43:36.119
Whatever it was had been just standing there lifting and

691
00:43:36.159 --> 00:43:41.079
grabbing these branches and snapping them off periodically, I assumed,

692
00:43:41.079 --> 00:43:45.280
just to get my attention. And there was no sign

693
00:43:45.360 --> 00:43:49.119
of anything around that I could find these broken branches

694
00:43:49.159 --> 00:43:53.519
laying on the ground. And upon examining these branches, they

695
00:43:53.559 --> 00:43:56.840
were snapped off at the base. Something had grabbed near

696
00:43:56.960 --> 00:43:59.920
the edge of the tree and broke the branches off.

697
00:44:00.880 --> 00:44:04.840
And I said, that's like a very human kind of thing,

698
00:44:04.960 --> 00:44:08.519
a very something. That's something very big, because I couldn't

699
00:44:08.519 --> 00:44:11.400
begin to reach some of these branches that had been

700
00:44:11.440 --> 00:44:12.119
snapped off.

701
00:44:12.840 --> 00:44:15.679
Big for society, who would be right back after these messages?

702
00:44:33.000 --> 00:44:35.840
And so I turned around and I went back and

703
00:44:35.880 --> 00:44:38.400
got my wife, and I said, man, there's something out here.

704
00:44:38.519 --> 00:44:40.639
I don't know what's going on. All of a sudden,

705
00:44:40.679 --> 00:44:43.639
I start hearing this knocking sound out of the woods,

706
00:44:44.519 --> 00:44:47.880
and I would hear it like over in one direction,

707
00:44:48.400 --> 00:44:52.079
and then maybe thirty seconds later, I would hear a

708
00:44:52.159 --> 00:44:55.400
knock over in the opposite direction, and then another one

709
00:44:55.519 --> 00:44:59.280
later on. And this started to concern me a little bit.

710
00:45:00.079 --> 00:45:02.679
Whatever they were doing was really let me know that

711
00:45:02.880 --> 00:45:06.320
we're all around you and we're watching you. And so

712
00:45:06.400 --> 00:45:08.639
I said, Okay, I think we need to pack up

713
00:45:08.719 --> 00:45:10.159
and get out of here because I don't know what

714
00:45:10.159 --> 00:45:13.079
I'm dealing with here. So we got everything in the

715
00:45:13.880 --> 00:45:16.559
back in the truck and we took off. I would

716
00:45:16.599 --> 00:45:19.840
be curious, you know, if anybody had any experiences in

717
00:45:19.840 --> 00:45:20.880
that spot.

718
00:45:21.880 --> 00:45:25.599
Yes, looking at a map, it's really interesting because just

719
00:45:26.000 --> 00:45:30.119
the town of Oakville is right next to the Shehalis

720
00:45:30.159 --> 00:45:33.800
Reservation by the Shalis River, which is a lot of

721
00:45:33.840 --> 00:45:37.440
stuff happens in there, as most listeners will know. And

722
00:45:37.480 --> 00:45:40.760
then that Brooklyn area, there's not a lot out there. Definitely,

723
00:45:40.840 --> 00:45:44.000
there's just a random Bible camp out there. But other

724
00:45:44.079 --> 00:45:47.559
than that, yeah, it is, it's just nothing out there

725
00:45:47.599 --> 00:45:48.920
for the most part.

726
00:45:49.760 --> 00:45:54.960
Okay, I feel free to look out there and see

727
00:45:55.000 --> 00:45:59.280
anything because there's something and these guys, it made me

728
00:45:59.360 --> 00:46:03.639
wonder if maybe in some kind of communicational sense, they

729
00:46:03.719 --> 00:46:07.000
knew who I was. I don't think it's the same tribe,

730
00:46:07.000 --> 00:46:10.960
because I do think their tribe affiliate just like we are.

731
00:46:11.280 --> 00:46:14.440
I think they have different groups, but they and you

732
00:46:14.519 --> 00:46:18.119
don't know how one tribe will treat you versus another,

733
00:46:18.760 --> 00:46:21.239
just like in the old days of the West. Could

734
00:46:22.360 --> 00:46:25.239
you may find friendly Indians one place, that doesn't guarantee

735
00:46:25.280 --> 00:46:27.960
the next group is going to be that way. And

736
00:46:28.039 --> 00:46:31.159
so I think that I approach other groups with a

737
00:46:31.199 --> 00:46:35.159
great deal of caution. This particular group that I deal with,

738
00:46:35.199 --> 00:46:38.719
this tribe as it were, has its own clique, in

739
00:46:38.800 --> 00:46:41.800
its own way of doing things, and it seems to

740
00:46:41.800 --> 00:46:45.039
be more of the Harry and the Henderson's kind of

741
00:46:45.239 --> 00:46:49.320
kind of creatures than some of the other encounters that

742
00:46:49.400 --> 00:46:53.679
you might have. But I have true respect for these things.

743
00:46:53.800 --> 00:46:56.719
I don't think of them as friendly as per se.

744
00:46:57.239 --> 00:46:59.679
I think you could get hurt very easily if he's

745
00:46:59.760 --> 00:47:01.039
over step your boundaries.

746
00:47:03.199 --> 00:47:06.519
I agree there needs to definitely be a respect when

747
00:47:06.599 --> 00:47:11.400
you're if not only for Bigfoot, but also for the wilderness.

748
00:47:11.719 --> 00:47:14.519
You go out there, especially in the Pacific Northwest, and

749
00:47:14.679 --> 00:47:19.400
you don't get many chances be respectful. There are predators

750
00:47:19.400 --> 00:47:23.119
out there besides Bigfoot. Not saying it's a predator, but

751
00:47:23.280 --> 00:47:25.679
I do have a few questions I would like to

752
00:47:26.360 --> 00:47:30.320
ask you. If you can't answer these, feel free to decline,

753
00:47:30.360 --> 00:47:32.679
but I just want to ask them and see if

754
00:47:32.679 --> 00:47:36.760
they hit on anything. So, having your military background and

755
00:47:38.400 --> 00:47:41.840
back in the nineties and before, did you ever hear

756
00:47:42.000 --> 00:47:47.519
any stories about military bigfoot encounters in the Fort Lewis

757
00:47:47.559 --> 00:47:48.639
area of Washington.

758
00:47:49.519 --> 00:47:53.400
Very vague ones, nothing like I've heard a couple of

759
00:47:53.440 --> 00:47:57.360
soldiers talking about hearing something walking around in the woods,

760
00:47:57.440 --> 00:48:01.280
but nobody ever said, Hey, I saw bigfoot. I was

761
00:48:01.320 --> 00:48:04.800
actually very surprised at that, you would think. And I've

762
00:48:04.840 --> 00:48:08.199
camped a lot in the Fort Lewis areas myself in

763
00:48:08.599 --> 00:48:11.440
the military sense. We used to do the map and

764
00:48:11.880 --> 00:48:14.679
compass orienteering through all the swamps and all that stuff,

765
00:48:15.480 --> 00:48:17.920
and I thought I would have run into something, which

766
00:48:17.960 --> 00:48:19.840
is part of the reason I didn't believe in them,

767
00:48:19.880 --> 00:48:22.840
because I said, if anybody would have seen one, I

768
00:48:22.880 --> 00:48:26.039
would have. Because I'm in the areas where nobody else goes.

769
00:48:26.400 --> 00:48:28.840
We would always pick the very hardest spots you could

770
00:48:28.880 --> 00:48:35.199
find to navigate through, just for training purposes, and I thought,

771
00:48:35.239 --> 00:48:37.639
for sure, if there was something really out there, I

772
00:48:37.679 --> 00:48:38.719
would have run into it.

773
00:48:38.760 --> 00:48:44.880
But nothing interesting. Have you heard of any accounts where

774
00:48:46.519 --> 00:48:52.400
the military in the Pacific Northwest has killed a bigfoot,

775
00:48:52.519 --> 00:48:54.360
either first hand or second hand.

776
00:48:55.960 --> 00:49:00.719
I've only heard these stories about the Mount saying how insane.

777
00:49:00.960 --> 00:49:04.320
But that's not true. That's just through the media. I've

778
00:49:04.840 --> 00:49:09.039
never encountered anybody that had that had any kind of

779
00:49:09.280 --> 00:49:11.239
military related encounters with them.

780
00:49:13.320 --> 00:49:16.920
You bring up the Mount Saint Helen's topic there, and

781
00:49:16.960 --> 00:49:19.000
which I think is interesting because a lot of people

782
00:49:19.039 --> 00:49:22.079
will I constantly get emails about this every week where

783
00:49:22.079 --> 00:49:24.920
it's like, oh, I heard this, and I love when

784
00:49:24.920 --> 00:49:27.440
people send me that stuff, but it is a thing

785
00:49:27.559 --> 00:49:31.000
where I must I don't think that's ever been proven

786
00:49:31.079 --> 00:49:34.679
where the military took bigfoot out of the Mount Saint

787
00:49:34.679 --> 00:49:38.440
Helen's blast zone. Is that anything You've ever looked into

788
00:49:38.480 --> 00:49:39.280
yourself or.

789
00:49:40.440 --> 00:49:43.440
I've looked into it, and I think it's entirely possible

790
00:49:43.559 --> 00:49:46.480
something was killed out there, because I have no doubt

791
00:49:46.480 --> 00:49:49.159
that there was bigfoot in the urine. If they're anywhere,

792
00:49:49.159 --> 00:49:53.280
they're out there. That's remember that first encounter with the

793
00:49:53.320 --> 00:49:55.480
miners or whatever they were that were in the they

794
00:49:55.480 --> 00:49:57.840
were in the cabin that got attacked. That's not that

795
00:49:57.960 --> 00:50:00.840
far from where where my on hell and.

796
00:50:00.800 --> 00:50:05.679
Six Ape Canyon of nineteen twenty four, I believe, yeah, yep, exactly.

797
00:50:05.800 --> 00:50:07.639
As a matter of fact, I've been to eight k

798
00:50:08.039 --> 00:50:09.920
I don't know if you've ever heard of that, Oh, okay,

799
00:50:09.960 --> 00:50:16.320
cool and it's but they got its name supposedly because

800
00:50:16.320 --> 00:50:21.599
that's where they believe they were staying. But I can't say,

801
00:50:21.599 --> 00:50:25.199
for any of my experiences I know anything about that spot. Interesting,

802
00:50:26.960 --> 00:50:30.000
but I've looked into some of these legends just trying

803
00:50:30.000 --> 00:50:35.519
to establish a pattern. I think these things are semi nomadic.

804
00:50:36.679 --> 00:50:41.079
I think that they move in a given region, but

805
00:50:41.199 --> 00:50:44.639
they don't want to overwhelm their food source, whatever that is.

806
00:50:45.679 --> 00:50:50.360
And so like in our previous conversation I discussed with

807
00:50:50.480 --> 00:50:53.559
how you could go to a park ranger and they

808
00:50:53.599 --> 00:50:55.840
could tell you where the grizzlies are because of the

809
00:50:55.880 --> 00:50:58.679
impact that they have on the ground. They tear things

810
00:50:58.719 --> 00:51:01.320
apart when they go through it. I think these things

811
00:51:01.360 --> 00:51:05.599
that they eat, it's very sustainable. They make sure that

812
00:51:06.239 --> 00:51:09.039
the game is not completely taken out of the area

813
00:51:09.079 --> 00:51:11.880
before they leave. They just take what they need and

814
00:51:11.920 --> 00:51:15.519
then they move to the next section and they have example,

815
00:51:15.639 --> 00:51:18.760
I think one of the reasons they have the particular

816
00:51:18.880 --> 00:51:22.079
movement pattern that they do has to do with blackberries

817
00:51:22.320 --> 00:51:26.360
not excuse me, huckleberries that we have out in this region,

818
00:51:27.000 --> 00:51:30.360
and they probably are using that as a food source.

819
00:51:30.400 --> 00:51:35.559
And therefore they plan their territorial movements around that. You know,

820
00:51:36.239 --> 00:51:38.880
But that's just a guess because I have no clue. Oh,

821
00:51:39.079 --> 00:51:42.719
I do have an interesting story about something that gives

822
00:51:42.800 --> 00:51:47.559
me something about how they interact with us. And there

823
00:51:47.639 --> 00:51:50.039
is a river, and I don't want to say its

824
00:51:50.119 --> 00:51:53.920
name because I would get a bunch of people running

825
00:51:53.960 --> 00:51:58.000
over to that area looking. But there's a river about

826
00:51:58.800 --> 00:52:04.280
four or five miles from the area, and we decided,

827
00:52:04.360 --> 00:52:06.840
my pastor and I decided to just look along this

828
00:52:07.000 --> 00:52:10.360
river and see if there was any sign of them

829
00:52:10.400 --> 00:52:14.760
out there. And it looked like a great spot because

830
00:52:14.880 --> 00:52:17.519
there was some muddy areas in there, and if they'd

831
00:52:17.519 --> 00:52:20.760
been walking along the river, they might have left tracks

832
00:52:21.159 --> 00:52:24.639
parked the car, and we started walking down this embankment,

833
00:52:25.280 --> 00:52:28.079
and we noticed that there was about one hundred yards

834
00:52:28.079 --> 00:52:32.559
further up the river was a campsite that somebody had

835
00:52:32.840 --> 00:52:35.599
a fairly large group of tents people that had just

836
00:52:35.719 --> 00:52:39.679
pulled out and set up their campsites, with kids and

837
00:52:39.719 --> 00:52:44.960
whatnot running around, And so we were walking away from

838
00:52:45.000 --> 00:52:49.800
them downstream and the part where the where some trees

839
00:52:49.840 --> 00:52:53.679
had fallen over from a flood when the glacier melts happened,

840
00:52:53.920 --> 00:52:56.280
and the snow melts. All of a sudden, these streams

841
00:52:56.280 --> 00:52:59.880
are all flooded out, created a barrier for us to

842
00:53:00.119 --> 00:53:03.480
have to get over. My pastor went over one side

843
00:53:04.400 --> 00:53:07.000
of it, and I tried to walk further down around

844
00:53:07.039 --> 00:53:08.599
the tree to see if it was easier to get

845
00:53:08.639 --> 00:53:12.360
over there, but he got across before I did, and

846
00:53:13.079 --> 00:53:15.519
all of a sudden, he says, Scott, get over here.

847
00:53:16.519 --> 00:53:19.440
So I be through the brush and I get over

848
00:53:19.480 --> 00:53:22.079
there to him, and I said, what's up there? And

849
00:53:22.119 --> 00:53:24.480
he goes man. Just as I was crossing through there,

850
00:53:24.480 --> 00:53:28.400
I heard something squawk and then I heard something hit

851
00:53:28.440 --> 00:53:31.119
the ground. And at the same time I hear something

852
00:53:31.199 --> 00:53:35.079
hit the ground, the brush started moving like it was

853
00:53:35.119 --> 00:53:39.360
something was moving through it really fast, and I said, okay,

854
00:53:40.239 --> 00:53:42.400
the ground's pretty muddy here. We should be able to

855
00:53:42.400 --> 00:53:46.159
see something. So we walk over to it. And this

856
00:53:46.360 --> 00:53:51.519
mud was not wet mud. It was more like playto level.

857
00:53:52.360 --> 00:53:56.719
Were just like a perfect environment and for that for

858
00:53:56.840 --> 00:54:00.639
looking for tracks, and sure enough we find them. But

859
00:54:00.800 --> 00:54:04.800
what surprised me was that these look like kid tracks,

860
00:54:05.239 --> 00:54:09.440
say an eight year old. They didn't look any particular

861
00:54:09.599 --> 00:54:13.159
difference in track to what a human being would be

862
00:54:14.639 --> 00:54:18.320
And but what was we then looked for was this?

863
00:54:18.559 --> 00:54:20.920
He heard the like I said, He said, he heard

864
00:54:20.920 --> 00:54:24.159
something hit the ground like a thud. And I look

865
00:54:24.239 --> 00:54:27.920
around and there was a can of coke sitting there

866
00:54:27.960 --> 00:54:31.079
in the mud. And I pull it out and I

867
00:54:31.159 --> 00:54:34.599
look at it, and there is a row of teeth

868
00:54:34.639 --> 00:54:39.159
marks on it, little indentured teeth. And there's a couple

869
00:54:39.199 --> 00:54:42.559
of unusual things that I'll point out about this teeth marks.

870
00:54:42.639 --> 00:54:45.880
One is how the front of our teeth are thin

871
00:54:46.079 --> 00:54:49.840
and flat, okay, and then as I get toward the

872
00:54:49.880 --> 00:54:53.800
rear they have they widen out and become what we

873
00:54:53.880 --> 00:54:58.480
call molars. This this marking, this on this thing, And

874
00:54:58.519 --> 00:55:01.079
there was only one ring of kind of a rainbow

875
00:55:01.480 --> 00:55:04.760
shape of the teeth marks, I'm guessing the upper the

876
00:55:04.800 --> 00:55:08.440
lower jaw, but there was no molar marks on it.

877
00:55:08.440 --> 00:55:11.199
It looked like they were all flat teeth. And my

878
00:55:11.360 --> 00:55:14.400
mouth is I'm a fairly large guy, but my mouth

879
00:55:14.519 --> 00:55:18.239
is about two and a half inches across. These marks

880
00:55:18.239 --> 00:55:21.519
worth three and a half inches across from the base

881
00:55:21.599 --> 00:55:26.840
of the arc. And so my theory is that we

882
00:55:27.039 --> 00:55:31.559
had found a child bigfoot who had been watching the

883
00:55:31.599 --> 00:55:36.840
campsite and had stolen something from the campsite that it

884
00:55:36.920 --> 00:55:40.559
thought would be nice and was anxious to try some

885
00:55:40.639 --> 00:55:43.239
Coca Cola. I don't want to do an endorsement here,

886
00:55:43.320 --> 00:55:46.119
but it was trying getting ready to bite into the

887
00:55:46.159 --> 00:55:50.000
can when we surprised it and it ran off. By

888
00:55:50.039 --> 00:55:55.280
the way, my pastor died in twenty ten, and I

889
00:55:55.440 --> 00:55:59.400
tried to get that can back because he'd held onto that,

890
00:56:00.159 --> 00:56:03.000
and but by the time I thought about it and

891
00:56:03.079 --> 00:56:05.519
went over there to talk to the family about it,

892
00:56:05.679 --> 00:56:09.079
they had already tossed it. So I don't have that

893
00:56:09.159 --> 00:56:14.719
as anymore it is, But nonetheless it shows you that

894
00:56:14.840 --> 00:56:18.960
they watch us. They may steal something from our campsites,

895
00:56:19.480 --> 00:56:23.000
they clearly enjoy our food. And I've got another story

896
00:56:23.000 --> 00:56:25.519
about food, since we're on that track.

897
00:56:26.000 --> 00:56:29.119
Before before you go there, I just wanted to as

898
00:56:29.360 --> 00:56:31.960
an aside, your pastors sounded like he was a really

899
00:56:32.039 --> 00:56:36.119
cool guy, into some cool stuff besides the words, so

900
00:56:36.880 --> 00:56:40.280
it's a shame that he has already passed on.

901
00:56:40.519 --> 00:56:43.920
For sure, he was one of the best pastors I

902
00:56:43.960 --> 00:56:47.360
ever met. He could he was an absolute scholar in

903
00:56:47.519 --> 00:56:51.719
Greek and would try to teach me constantly so I

904
00:56:51.760 --> 00:56:55.360
could read the Bible in Greek. And I'm pretty rusty

905
00:56:55.400 --> 00:56:58.440
on it now, but he was, absolutely he was. He

906
00:56:58.559 --> 00:57:02.159
was a really gutsy guy. He actually was got his

907
00:57:02.239 --> 00:57:06.679
seminary over in Northern Ireland and was almost blown apart

908
00:57:06.760 --> 00:57:12.280
twice while doing his seminary there. Just he was basically fearless.

909
00:57:12.440 --> 00:57:14.800
He was also trained as a sniper in the army

910
00:57:15.159 --> 00:57:18.920
and one of the best shots I ever saw. I

911
00:57:19.039 --> 00:57:23.960
watched him from an unsupported bench position with his three

912
00:57:24.079 --> 00:57:28.280
hundred Winchester Magnum shoot a three quarter inch group at

913
00:57:28.320 --> 00:57:32.559
two hundred yards. I have never seen anybody do that before.

914
00:57:34.400 --> 00:57:38.320
So yeah, a very capable individual. Well i'll get into

915
00:57:38.360 --> 00:57:41.840
where my son gets involved, and by the way, I'll

916
00:57:41.840 --> 00:57:46.199
point something else out that's interesting. I have brought people

917
00:57:46.239 --> 00:57:51.760
with me to this spot before besides the pastor, and

918
00:57:52.440 --> 00:57:56.360
we would have no interactions whatsoever. It seems to me

919
00:57:56.960 --> 00:58:00.920
that these things either like you or they don't. How

920
00:58:00.960 --> 00:58:04.239
they make that determination, I have no idea, But if

921
00:58:04.239 --> 00:58:06.599
you don't pass monster, they don't have anything to do

922
00:58:06.679 --> 00:58:09.960
with you. I agree. I have found in my various

923
00:58:10.559 --> 00:58:12.920
listening to people of people that have been in that

924
00:58:13.039 --> 00:58:18.760
area before and had so off, never had anything happen.

925
00:58:19.320 --> 00:58:23.079
And these were people that were interested in me telling

926
00:58:23.119 --> 00:58:26.280
them where this thing was. I figured, if they're not

927
00:58:26.320 --> 00:58:29.800
getting interactions on their own while they're out there, then

928
00:58:29.960 --> 00:58:33.079
they clearly these bigfoot don't want to have anything to

929
00:58:33.119 --> 00:58:37.880
do with them. Now get into my son, and which

930
00:58:37.960 --> 00:58:40.760
was an interesting take. I have a son who's now

931
00:58:42.559 --> 00:58:45.719
considerably older. He's in his late thirties now. When he

932
00:58:45.760 --> 00:58:47.840
was a young man and starting to do this, I

933
00:58:47.840 --> 00:58:50.599
wouldn't even say man who was thirteen one the first

934
00:58:50.599 --> 00:58:52.320
time I drug him out in the woods so that

935
00:58:52.400 --> 00:58:57.599
he could encounter these things. He was kind of like, Dad,

936
00:58:57.679 --> 00:58:59.559
why are you doing this to me? Dragging me out

937
00:58:59.599 --> 00:59:03.039
in the woods for some stupid thing. And I was

938
00:59:03.079 --> 00:59:07.159
telling him about the tree knocking that they were doing.

939
00:59:08.440 --> 00:59:11.440
And I took him out to our campsite where we

940
00:59:11.480 --> 00:59:15.159
had the previous interaction, and I said, here's what's going

941
00:59:15.239 --> 00:59:20.960
to happen. You're going to knock, and if they're ready,

942
00:59:21.639 --> 00:59:24.079
you're going to hear a single knock come out of

943
00:59:24.119 --> 00:59:29.280
the woods. Okay. And what that tells you is they're

944
00:59:29.400 --> 00:59:32.760
saying to you, look, I heard you, and I will

945
00:59:32.800 --> 00:59:39.880
respond to you as I feel uncomfortable. Okay, So I said, now,

946
00:59:40.000 --> 00:59:42.440
just so we went out we knocked on the tree.

947
00:59:42.679 --> 00:59:45.519
Big for Society will be right back after these messages.

948
01:00:02.760 --> 01:00:06.320
And I happened to be looking at him when at

949
01:00:06.360 --> 01:00:09.440
the time that this thing responded, and when it made

950
01:00:09.440 --> 01:00:11.800
it knock in the woods, all of a sudden, his

951
01:00:11.880 --> 01:00:16.559
eyes went wide and he was like, oh, maybe my dad,

952
01:00:16.599 --> 01:00:20.960
isn't it not after all? And I told him, Okay,

953
01:00:21.039 --> 01:00:22.920
we'll just give him a couple of minutes here until

954
01:00:22.960 --> 01:00:26.280
he checks everything out, and when he feels comfortable he'll respond.

955
01:00:26.599 --> 01:00:29.360
Pretty soon we heard knocking out of the woods, and

956
01:00:29.440 --> 01:00:31.599
it was from that same spot that I told you

957
01:00:31.599 --> 01:00:35.960
about earlier, and so he had been at another spot,

958
01:00:36.159 --> 01:00:39.000
heard the knocks and then said, okay, I'll see what's

959
01:00:39.039 --> 01:00:42.159
going on, went over check this out, and then started knocking.

960
01:00:42.239 --> 01:00:45.480
And then my son actually was able to interact with him.

961
01:00:46.119 --> 01:00:51.239
He was just going through musical training at that time,

962
01:00:51.639 --> 01:00:54.800
and so he was trying different patterns to see if

963
01:00:54.840 --> 01:00:58.239
he could engage it in the musical accompaniment. It didn't

964
01:00:58.280 --> 01:01:02.760
show any tendency in that at all. It just looked

965
01:01:02.800 --> 01:01:05.519
like it was just trying to straight communication, not trying

966
01:01:05.519 --> 01:01:10.079
to make music. Now, another thing I'll point out is

967
01:01:10.079 --> 01:01:13.280
that when I went to the spot where I was

968
01:01:13.320 --> 01:01:16.599
pretty certain it was communicating to us from the first time.

969
01:01:16.679 --> 01:01:19.320
When I went to that up that trail, I looked

970
01:01:19.320 --> 01:01:22.159
for signs where something had been beating on the trees

971
01:01:22.199 --> 01:01:26.960
in the area, and I couldn't find anything. I'm under

972
01:01:27.000 --> 01:01:31.400
the impression that it is maybe imitating this sound, not

973
01:01:31.599 --> 01:01:34.480
actually banging on a branch, but just making the sound

974
01:01:34.719 --> 01:01:37.599
like something banging on a brand on there. They seemed

975
01:01:37.639 --> 01:01:45.000
to be very vocally accomplished, and it's an interesting it's

976
01:01:45.000 --> 01:01:48.400
a theory. I can't say that that's exactly what's going on.

977
01:01:48.559 --> 01:01:51.960
Maybe they're bringing two branches with them and knocking them

978
01:01:52.000 --> 01:01:55.000
together and just and then not leaving them there when

979
01:01:55.000 --> 01:01:58.320
they go. I couldn't tell you, but they but I

980
01:01:58.320 --> 01:02:01.199
didn't see where they were actually at a spot just

981
01:02:01.239 --> 01:02:04.719
banging against a tree somewhere. There's another thing I'll point out.

982
01:02:05.039 --> 01:02:08.800
The one time my pastor and I climbed up this mountain.

983
01:02:09.519 --> 01:02:11.519
I remember I told you where the switch was. I

984
01:02:11.559 --> 01:02:12.920
took him up and I showed him where of the

985
01:02:12.960 --> 01:02:15.239
claw marks were in the on the side of the tree,

986
01:02:15.639 --> 01:02:18.039
and then we continued up the full way up at

987
01:02:18.159 --> 01:02:21.400
the top of the mountain, and we got up there

988
01:02:21.519 --> 01:02:25.880
and we didn't see anything particularly strange up there, but

989
01:02:26.199 --> 01:02:29.840
he said, let's go down this side. And I look

990
01:02:29.960 --> 01:02:34.719
at it and it was steep and it was tree covered.

991
01:02:35.000 --> 01:02:37.159
There was trees growing up, but it was at a

992
01:02:37.320 --> 01:02:39.800
very steep angle compared to what we were at before.

993
01:02:40.840 --> 01:02:44.199
And I said, Edd, are you sure you want to

994
01:02:44.199 --> 01:02:49.159
do this? This is that looks pretty dangerous and he says, ah,

995
01:02:49.360 --> 01:02:51.960
if it strikes me. The reason that if they're moving

996
01:02:52.000 --> 01:02:54.559
around here, they're going to pick the least likely area

997
01:02:54.639 --> 01:02:56.880
where we're going to be walking, so that they're not

998
01:02:56.960 --> 01:03:00.760
surprised by anything. And I said, I can't ultra logic,

999
01:03:00.840 --> 01:03:04.519
but okay, we'll go down. So we went down the

1000
01:03:04.559 --> 01:03:09.519
side of this mountain and it was just like basically

1001
01:03:09.639 --> 01:03:12.000
going from tree to tree, just grabbing a hold of

1002
01:03:12.039 --> 01:03:13.719
it and holding on to it till I could get

1003
01:03:13.760 --> 01:03:16.280
to another one. And just because because I was too

1004
01:03:16.280 --> 01:03:20.519
afraid of falling down. What I found though that really

1005
01:03:20.559 --> 01:03:26.840
got my attention. Well, there were these curious spots that

1006
01:03:26.960 --> 01:03:31.880
were looked like where a tree had fallen over and

1007
01:03:31.960 --> 01:03:34.920
had left the hollow. How the roots will bring up

1008
01:03:35.079 --> 01:03:37.440
the dirt with it as it comes out, leave a

1009
01:03:37.440 --> 01:03:41.079
little depression in there. What was strange about them is

1010
01:03:41.079 --> 01:03:46.480
that were these depressions were fairly large, say fifteen feet across,

1011
01:03:46.519 --> 01:03:49.800
twelve feet across somewhere in there, and they would they were,

1012
01:03:49.880 --> 01:03:52.719
but they were padded down. They were like flattened, like

1013
01:03:52.800 --> 01:03:56.599
something had gone and heavy and had had just pressed

1014
01:03:56.639 --> 01:04:00.360
it all down till it was just really flat, and

1015
01:04:00.480 --> 01:04:05.559
it looked like these were betting sites for them. They were.

1016
01:04:06.280 --> 01:04:08.880
My guess is that when they were bringing their families through,

1017
01:04:09.840 --> 01:04:13.960
they would go into this area so that was rather

1018
01:04:14.079 --> 01:04:17.679
difficult to access, and they would bring their families in

1019
01:04:17.719 --> 01:04:20.400
and make these betting sites on the sides of the

1020
01:04:20.480 --> 01:04:23.840
mountain so that they could be in relative say of safety,

1021
01:04:23.960 --> 01:04:27.320
and without fear of surprise because believing there was no

1022
01:04:27.400 --> 01:04:29.239
way a human being was going to seek up on

1023
01:04:29.320 --> 01:04:34.480
them with that, With that, that's steep angle. But that's

1024
01:04:34.840 --> 01:04:38.559
just a theory. But it just looked too can they

1025
01:04:38.559 --> 01:04:42.599
say manufactured to and clearly not done by human beings.

1026
01:04:43.360 --> 01:04:45.320
That's just something we'll throw out as a way. I

1027
01:04:45.360 --> 01:04:48.840
think that they moved when they travel, they just have

1028
01:04:48.960 --> 01:04:52.679
these betting areas set aside safety and then they as

1029
01:04:52.679 --> 01:04:56.639
they're moving along, they probably have those prepositioned so that

1030
01:04:56.719 --> 01:04:59.280
they know there's some other place where there is a

1031
01:04:59.519 --> 01:05:02.719
tactical spot where they can rest that they set up

1032
01:05:02.760 --> 01:05:05.239
for the next camp when they move through the area.

1033
01:05:06.800 --> 01:05:09.800
It definitely makes sense. It's I think it's a good theory.

1034
01:05:10.039 --> 01:05:12.320
I don't know if you can answer this one. But

1035
01:05:12.519 --> 01:05:16.360
this area that you mentioned, is it one where it's

1036
01:05:16.639 --> 01:05:19.119
pretty far out in the woods or would you have

1037
01:05:19.199 --> 01:05:24.760
to worry about other humans potentially being there and causing issues.

1038
01:05:25.360 --> 01:05:28.360
There are there are human beings all over the place

1039
01:05:28.400 --> 01:05:31.840
out there, and there's hunters, there's campers, there's hikers or whatever,

1040
01:05:32.519 --> 01:05:36.039
and those of that are familiar with the Central Cascade region.

1041
01:05:36.760 --> 01:05:39.599
And by the way, I guess I'll allude to one

1042
01:05:39.599 --> 01:05:43.239
other aspect of this. There was a period of time

1043
01:05:43.280 --> 01:05:46.760
from the last encounter I had with them was twenty nineteen,

1044
01:05:47.519 --> 01:05:51.000
and the reason why things have I've had to drop

1045
01:05:51.039 --> 01:05:54.199
it for a while was two reasons. One, I only

1046
01:05:54.239 --> 01:05:56.719
go out there when I can find somebody to go

1047
01:05:56.800 --> 01:05:59.559
with me, and it was very hard with my job

1048
01:05:59.639 --> 01:06:02.079
to co ordinated time where I could have somebody else

1049
01:06:02.079 --> 01:06:03.760
that was also off at the same time to go

1050
01:06:03.800 --> 01:06:06.639
out there. But the big problem I ran into is

1051
01:06:06.719 --> 01:06:12.039
from twenty nineteen to roughly about twenty twenty two. There

1052
01:06:12.079 --> 01:06:15.079
were so many people out there trying to get rid

1053
01:06:15.159 --> 01:06:17.480
of this thing, trying to get away from the town

1054
01:06:17.679 --> 01:06:20.280
so that they were away from the restrictions of having

1055
01:06:20.320 --> 01:06:22.920
to wear a mask all the time and whatnot. That

1056
01:06:22.960 --> 01:06:26.280
they were just everywhere driving their dirt bikes and with

1057
01:06:26.440 --> 01:06:30.760
their big packs of campsites and whatnot. And well, a

1058
01:06:30.800 --> 01:06:33.960
couple of times we went out there, we were just astounded.

1059
01:06:35.400 --> 01:06:38.880
I was seeing more people at one time than I

1060
01:06:38.920 --> 01:06:44.679
saw prior ten years before that. It was just astounding

1061
01:06:44.719 --> 01:06:49.800
to me. But it's gotten back to normal now, and

1062
01:06:49.920 --> 01:06:52.800
I hope I have retired fully and I just had

1063
01:06:52.800 --> 01:06:56.079
of the military, but out of work in general, and

1064
01:06:56.559 --> 01:06:59.000
as soon as I can find somebody to go with me,

1065
01:06:59.239 --> 01:07:02.519
it will start going out there again. By the way,

1066
01:07:02.599 --> 01:07:07.400
the spot that i'm in, it's pretty much inaccessible during

1067
01:07:07.440 --> 01:07:10.639
the wintertime unless you want to go in with country

1068
01:07:10.639 --> 01:07:13.639
skis or something. But you'd have to go in for

1069
01:07:13.760 --> 01:07:17.000
miles to get into that area because there's no roads

1070
01:07:17.000 --> 01:07:21.119
out there that aren't just schemer Beihle. I'm really familiar

1071
01:07:21.159 --> 01:07:24.559
with it from with their movement patterns from say about

1072
01:07:24.719 --> 01:07:31.679
May until October, so I can't tell you what they

1073
01:07:31.719 --> 01:07:34.599
do during the winter. I don't know. I think there

1074
01:07:34.679 --> 01:07:39.639
is a very strategic region that they have that's set

1075
01:07:39.719 --> 01:07:43.360
up for their winter campsite. And I have my theories

1076
01:07:43.400 --> 01:07:45.719
and I can't get into it for this show because

1077
01:07:45.760 --> 01:07:48.639
I would give away where they are. But there's a

1078
01:07:48.840 --> 01:07:51.400
reason why they're in the spot they're in, and it's

1079
01:07:51.559 --> 01:07:55.639
brilliant they are. Once I started figuring out what they

1080
01:07:55.679 --> 01:07:58.760
were doing, I said, these guys don't just think tactically.

1081
01:07:58.840 --> 01:08:03.119
They think strategically as well about where they are and

1082
01:08:04.000 --> 01:08:07.280
where they are in relationship to us. That's part of

1083
01:08:07.320 --> 01:08:10.679
the reason why they're able to inhabit without us running

1084
01:08:10.719 --> 01:08:13.480
into them all the time. They have pretty planned everything

1085
01:08:13.559 --> 01:08:18.399
to an incredible degree. Now, what happens, I believe is

1086
01:08:18.439 --> 01:08:24.960
that sometimes, just like human beings, they make mistakes and

1087
01:08:25.439 --> 01:08:28.399
they get out of their patterns for whatever reason. Maybe

1088
01:08:28.439 --> 01:08:32.439
they're exploring, maybe they're the guys that are looking for

1089
01:08:32.560 --> 01:08:36.600
new patterns, just for alternate roots in case their others

1090
01:08:36.680 --> 01:08:40.159
position is compromised or whatever. But for once they get

1091
01:08:40.199 --> 01:08:44.119
out of that established procedural place that they have, that's

1092
01:08:44.159 --> 01:08:46.920
when they tend to make mistakes and they run into us.

1093
01:08:47.439 --> 01:08:50.359
That's where we catch them. But when they have their

1094
01:08:51.079 --> 01:08:54.640
movement phase with their families and whatnot, everything seems to

1095
01:08:54.680 --> 01:09:01.600
be very organized to a military level, and they are

1096
01:09:01.640 --> 01:09:04.119
able to move safely with their families most of the

1097
01:09:04.199 --> 01:09:07.800
time without interacting with us at all. We're just not

1098
01:09:08.319 --> 01:09:11.840
wise to their positions at all. Then to go into

1099
01:09:12.399 --> 01:09:16.039
the next part of this, and that was their interactions

1100
01:09:16.079 --> 01:09:20.479
with my wife and daughter. I married a Philippine. Matter

1101
01:09:20.479 --> 01:09:23.600
of fact, my pastor married us back in two thousand

1102
01:09:23.640 --> 01:09:29.079
and four. And I had told us Gal she was

1103
01:09:29.119 --> 01:09:33.279
from the Philippines and brought her over here, and I

1104
01:09:33.319 --> 01:09:35.359
told her about this, and she says, I really want

1105
01:09:35.359 --> 01:09:38.199
to go camping. It's been my dream all my life

1106
01:09:38.199 --> 01:09:43.600
to go camping, and Filipinos don't go camping. She lives

1107
01:09:43.640 --> 01:09:48.359
in the most what do I say, the probably one

1108
01:09:48.359 --> 01:09:50.960
of the most dangerous areas in the Philippines to live,

1109
01:09:51.000 --> 01:09:55.000
which is Mendenau with the various terrorist groups and whatnot

1110
01:09:55.439 --> 01:09:57.239
out there. And she said, if I had built a

1111
01:09:57.239 --> 01:09:59.279
fire in the woods, i'd have ten guys with AK

1112
01:09:59.399 --> 01:10:03.359
forty seven showing up in a heartbeat. We're trying to

1113
01:10:03.359 --> 01:10:06.600
see what I'm doing. And she had never been camping,

1114
01:10:07.439 --> 01:10:10.279
and when she said she wanted to go camping. I thought, okay,

1115
01:10:10.319 --> 01:10:12.880
she doesn't really want to go in the woods. She

1116
01:10:12.960 --> 01:10:16.239
wants to go out to some campsite somewhere. So I

1117
01:10:16.279 --> 01:10:19.199
went to one of those paid campsite things and I

1118
01:10:19.279 --> 01:10:20.560
brought out there and I said, well, what do you

1119
01:10:20.560 --> 01:10:23.359
think of this? And she said, that's nice, but why

1120
01:10:23.399 --> 01:10:25.319
are all these other people here? I want to go

1121
01:10:25.600 --> 01:10:29.560
somewhere where there's nobody. And I said, okay, I can

1122
01:10:29.560 --> 01:10:33.159
take it where. I told you about those bigfoot guys.

1123
01:10:33.439 --> 01:10:36.319
And by the way, I'll throw something out. I haven't

1124
01:10:36.359 --> 01:10:39.279
heard anybody mention this on your program before. But do

1125
01:10:39.319 --> 01:10:44.439
you know the Philippines has their own bigfoot Ooh.

1126
01:10:44.039 --> 01:10:46.239
No, Actually, can you say the name of it? I

1127
01:10:46.279 --> 01:10:47.359
may have heard the name of it.

1128
01:10:47.439 --> 01:10:52.880
Yeah, the Capri. No, yeah, that's what it is. Now

1129
01:10:52.920 --> 01:10:57.600
there's a very bizarre take to this very bizarre take.

1130
01:10:58.159 --> 01:11:01.039
The way they always think if I say Capri to

1131
01:11:01.439 --> 01:11:05.800
a Filipino they had an image will pop into their

1132
01:11:05.840 --> 01:11:10.000
head and it is a picture of a very large,

1133
01:11:10.039 --> 01:11:14.279
hairy man sitting underneath a h in the shade of

1134
01:11:14.279 --> 01:11:20.079
a tree, smoking a cigar. And that's and if you

1135
01:11:20.199 --> 01:11:23.000
type in Capri and put and then go to Google

1136
01:11:23.039 --> 01:11:26.720
and push image. You're going to see those drawings of

1137
01:11:26.800 --> 01:11:29.119
it sitting there and that and that's spelled with a K,

1138
01:11:29.359 --> 01:11:35.800
by the way, not a C. And when my wife

1139
01:11:35.920 --> 01:11:38.600
was raised, she was always told to look out for

1140
01:11:38.720 --> 01:11:43.039
the red eyes in the trees and because that's because

1141
01:11:43.039 --> 01:11:46.479
they have glowing red eyes apparently, and that she sa

1142
01:11:46.520 --> 01:11:48.720
they would make the kids come in, just like we

1143
01:11:48.800 --> 01:11:50.960
do with the Boogeyman. Don't let the Boogeyman get you,

1144
01:11:51.079 --> 01:11:54.199
come on and when it gets start. Their boogeyman was

1145
01:11:54.239 --> 01:11:59.000
a capri so she had no issues with that whatsoever.

1146
01:11:59.640 --> 01:11:59.760
Uh.

1147
01:12:00.520 --> 01:12:02.479
The next phase of the story, I'm going to get

1148
01:12:02.520 --> 01:12:05.920
into that we talked about some of their communicational things.

1149
01:12:06.000 --> 01:12:09.399
There's another thing that they do for communication, apparently, and

1150
01:12:09.439 --> 01:12:12.720
that is a smell. People are always talking in your

1151
01:12:12.760 --> 01:12:17.880
show about how you have this they have this stink, okay,

1152
01:12:18.600 --> 01:12:22.199
But in my various interactions with them, I quickly grew

1153
01:12:22.239 --> 01:12:29.079
to realize that that stink varies and there's different communicational

1154
01:12:29.119 --> 01:12:32.600
aspects to it. And by the way, there's something that

1155
01:12:32.640 --> 01:12:35.600
I've become so familiar with now in the time that

1156
01:12:35.640 --> 01:12:39.520
I have that when I do encounter them and smell.

1157
01:12:39.560 --> 01:12:43.520
That smell, there's a certain pheromone that they seem to

1158
01:12:43.600 --> 01:12:47.199
have that, for want of a better description, it will

1159
01:12:47.239 --> 01:12:49.800
always have a fishing oil. I don't know if you've

1160
01:12:49.840 --> 01:12:52.439
ever smelled like cod liver oil or something like that.

1161
01:12:52.880 --> 01:12:56.000
It has that kind of same fishing smell to it,

1162
01:12:57.760 --> 01:13:01.079
but that's that underlying pheromone. The rest of the smell

1163
01:13:01.119 --> 01:13:05.159
could change, okay, but there will be that still at

1164
01:13:05.279 --> 01:13:09.000
that little faint pheromone smell, and I'll pick that up

1165
01:13:09.039 --> 01:13:11.279
with my nose before I'll smell the rest of it.

1166
01:13:12.239 --> 01:13:15.119
I don't know if that's by design or by they

1167
01:13:15.279 --> 01:13:17.840
released a pheromone first and then the other scent or

1168
01:13:18.000 --> 01:13:21.600
whatever's going on, but I've had several encounters with them

1169
01:13:21.600 --> 01:13:25.840
where they've had completely different smells to them. And in

1170
01:13:25.840 --> 01:13:30.479
that particular case we went out to I actually deliberately

1171
01:13:30.479 --> 01:13:33.000
didn't want to camp in the same spot, but I

1172
01:13:33.079 --> 01:13:36.359
camped on a stream about It was less than a mile,

1173
01:13:36.560 --> 01:13:39.000
maybe about two thirds of a mile away, about a

1174
01:13:39.039 --> 01:13:43.399
kilometer from the Bigfoot area, because I didn't want her

1175
01:13:43.439 --> 01:13:48.039
to get overwhelmed with these things. But we went and

1176
01:13:48.560 --> 01:13:50.640
she had a daughter that she brought with us, which

1177
01:13:50.680 --> 01:13:55.680
I consider my daughter, and so they went camping their

1178
01:13:55.720 --> 01:13:58.159
first time out by this stream, and it's very ideal,

1179
01:13:58.199 --> 01:14:02.600
like the babbling brook and the pine trees and everything,

1180
01:14:02.680 --> 01:14:05.800
and I thought this is great. As it was starting

1181
01:14:05.800 --> 01:14:08.680
to get dark, there was a big patch of woods

1182
01:14:08.720 --> 01:14:11.840
near us, and all of a sudden I caught that

1183
01:14:11.960 --> 01:14:16.000
pheromone scent, and I said to her, I said, I

1184
01:14:16.000 --> 01:14:18.279
don't want to arm you, but one of them is

1185
01:14:18.319 --> 01:14:20.640
in the immediate area. I can I know, I can

1186
01:14:20.720 --> 01:14:23.800
tell he's here, and he's just coming by to check

1187
01:14:23.880 --> 01:14:27.239
us out, and I want you to come down with me,

1188
01:14:27.880 --> 01:14:30.479
and we're going to interact with him a little bit.

1189
01:14:31.479 --> 01:14:34.880
And so what I had done was I had bought

1190
01:14:34.920 --> 01:14:40.239
a one of those little night vision monoculars, and I

1191
01:14:40.279 --> 01:14:43.000
wanted a chance to see if I could see them

1192
01:14:43.039 --> 01:14:45.720
with this, because now it's starting to come dusk and

1193
01:14:45.760 --> 01:14:50.079
I could hopefully his eye shine off of the ir

1194
01:14:50.239 --> 01:14:55.000
from the monocular. And so I walked down and I

1195
01:14:55.039 --> 01:14:58.960
was armed, of course, with Trusty four fifty four, and

1196
01:14:59.000 --> 01:15:03.800
we walked down the tree and waited, and sure enough,

1197
01:15:03.880 --> 01:15:06.039
the smell started to get more and more, to the

1198
01:15:06.039 --> 01:15:09.439
point that it was almost eyewatering. This thing. If I

1199
01:15:09.479 --> 01:15:13.800
were to it's almost impossible to establish distance from smell,

1200
01:15:14.239 --> 01:15:16.560
but it says, if it was like ten feet from

1201
01:15:16.640 --> 01:15:20.079
us and I'm not seeing a thing. I'm looking all

1202
01:15:20.079 --> 01:15:22.920
over through the woods with this monocular, turning back and

1203
01:15:22.960 --> 01:15:25.600
forth and looking around, I'm not seeing a thing. But

1204
01:15:25.720 --> 01:15:27.920
this smell was almost to the point that you could

1205
01:15:27.960 --> 01:15:30.479
gag on it. And I said, how do you describe

1206
01:15:30.520 --> 01:15:33.079
this smell? I said that to my wife, and she says,

1207
01:15:33.399 --> 01:15:35.560
she's holding her nose, and she says, it smells like

1208
01:15:35.560 --> 01:15:36.439
somebody's vomiting.

1209
01:15:36.479 --> 01:15:40.359
Fish big for society will be right back after these messages.

1210
01:15:57.119 --> 01:16:00.199
And I said, oh, that's a pretty good description what

1211
01:16:00.199 --> 01:16:03.479
I would call it. And so that was that's how

1212
01:16:03.520 --> 01:16:06.319
I would described that encounter. And pretty soon we stood

1213
01:16:06.319 --> 01:16:08.720
there and we waited, and I didn't know if it

1214
01:16:08.760 --> 01:16:11.239
was going to interact with us in some way, But

1215
01:16:11.479 --> 01:16:14.239
pretty soon the smell started to go down and then

1216
01:16:14.319 --> 01:16:16.800
to where it faded into nothing, and I knew it

1217
01:16:16.880 --> 01:16:20.520
moved away. Not a brainch was broken, not a movement

1218
01:16:20.560 --> 01:16:25.079
of any kind, nothing developed eyeshine, just that overpowering smell,

1219
01:16:25.640 --> 01:16:27.319
and I knew that he was just coming by to

1220
01:16:27.359 --> 01:16:31.079
say hello, bringing somebody new for me to meet today,

1221
01:16:31.279 --> 01:16:33.600
and then then once he was satisfied, he went on

1222
01:16:33.640 --> 01:16:38.479
his way and never bothered with him again. My wife, unfortunately,

1223
01:16:39.800 --> 01:16:43.079
had an bigfoot encounter. So whenever we go camping, which

1224
01:16:43.119 --> 01:16:45.800
is frequent, and we do go in the area, but

1225
01:16:45.880 --> 01:16:49.640
we stay usually three miles away from that spot, not

1226
01:16:50.439 --> 01:16:54.239
that close to it, and they've never attempted to interact

1227
01:16:54.279 --> 01:16:58.239
with us directly. I'll make one exception. One time she

1228
01:16:58.399 --> 01:17:01.399
decided to invite some of her friends, a couple of

1229
01:17:01.439 --> 01:17:04.720
few females that had never been camping in their lives either,

1230
01:17:05.199 --> 01:17:06.960
and she said, why don't you come with us so

1231
01:17:07.039 --> 01:17:10.439
you can see what that's like. So we went to

1232
01:17:10.479 --> 01:17:14.880
a completely different spot several miles from there, probably like

1233
01:17:15.359 --> 01:17:18.720
seven or eight miles as the crow flies, and we

1234
01:17:18.840 --> 01:17:22.760
found another stream, and we set up camp and whatnot.

1235
01:17:22.920 --> 01:17:26.159
We got food cooking and everything, and while we were

1236
01:17:26.199 --> 01:17:29.359
sitting down to eat, I heard a sound which I

1237
01:17:29.720 --> 01:17:32.239
at first I was thinking I was hearing a bullfrog

1238
01:17:32.800 --> 01:17:35.880
because it was in the swampy area near the stream,

1239
01:17:36.439 --> 01:17:39.199
that's not out of the question. But as I'm listening

1240
01:17:39.199 --> 01:17:43.159
to it, I said, this doesn't quite sound right. And

1241
01:17:43.199 --> 01:17:45.840
so when the meal ended, I and it wasn't. It

1242
01:17:45.880 --> 01:17:49.319
was just like you here, and then you'd a little

1243
01:17:49.720 --> 01:17:53.000
while later you'd hear another one, like about a minute apart.

1244
01:17:54.000 --> 01:17:57.199
And so I then got up and I started just

1245
01:17:57.359 --> 01:18:00.920
following the sounds. I would hear it every grunt, i'd

1246
01:18:00.960 --> 01:18:03.720
just walk a little further out. And we were at

1247
01:18:03.760 --> 01:18:07.199
our encampment in the woods, and as I was as

1248
01:18:07.239 --> 01:18:10.279
we were camping, there was a clearing out near us

1249
01:18:10.359 --> 01:18:12.960
where on the road that we came in, and I

1250
01:18:13.039 --> 01:18:18.279
walked out there, and as I walk out, I then realize,

1251
01:18:18.479 --> 01:18:21.840
because I get out in the clearing, I hear the

1252
01:18:21.880 --> 01:18:24.800
grunt and I look in the direction and I realized

1253
01:18:24.800 --> 01:18:27.880
it's from a bridge line about four hundred meters away,

1254
01:18:27.960 --> 01:18:32.119
that's about a quarter mile. And I said, this thing

1255
01:18:32.279 --> 01:18:36.520
was loud, but it apparently saw me at the time

1256
01:18:36.600 --> 01:18:38.920
that it had when I stepped out of the woods,

1257
01:18:38.960 --> 01:18:40.560
and that was the last time it grunted.

1258
01:18:41.359 --> 01:18:43.079
And I know that must have been one of them,

1259
01:18:43.079 --> 01:18:48.039
because I can't find anything that grunts lighted that loud.

1260
01:18:48.399 --> 01:18:51.920
Not an elk, not a bear, nothing does anything quite

1261
01:18:52.039 --> 01:18:55.840
like that. Apparently they interacted in the area quite a bit.

1262
01:18:56.359 --> 01:18:59.239
Was that grunt similar to the Chewbacca type one you

1263
01:18:59.319 --> 01:18:59.800
heard before?

1264
01:19:00.039 --> 01:19:04.159
Too? Similar? By the way, you were getting digital there,

1265
01:19:04.399 --> 01:19:10.720
just in case you couldn't tell the But it it

1266
01:19:10.800 --> 01:19:13.920
was very similar, just louder. Must have been very loud

1267
01:19:13.920 --> 01:19:17.119
because for it to carry that distance, but it wasn't

1268
01:19:17.239 --> 01:19:20.079
very long. It was just sounded like that. That's the

1269
01:19:20.079 --> 01:19:22.960
best I could do. And that doesn't sound like any particularly.

1270
01:19:23.239 --> 01:19:27.199
Never heard of bears doing that particularly, and or elk

1271
01:19:27.319 --> 01:19:29.079
or anything else that I could think of, And it

1272
01:19:29.119 --> 01:19:31.439
musn't have been a very large animal to make that

1273
01:19:31.640 --> 01:19:35.479
some kind of noise. Now, I also point out that

1274
01:19:35.640 --> 01:19:39.439
one time when I was with Ed, we were camped

1275
01:19:39.439 --> 01:19:44.760
out there and I actually had the opportunity to hear

1276
01:19:44.840 --> 01:19:50.600
its voice in speaking. And I would happen to be awake,

1277
01:19:50.640 --> 01:19:53.880
and I'm laying there just staring into the darkness in

1278
01:19:53.920 --> 01:19:58.039
the tent, and all of a sudden, right next to

1279
01:19:58.119 --> 01:20:01.960
the tent, like maybe just ten feed from it, all

1280
01:20:02.000 --> 01:20:05.439
of a sudden, it starts talking. And I would love

1281
01:20:05.520 --> 01:20:07.800
to be able to give you an idea what that

1282
01:20:08.000 --> 01:20:12.560
sounded like, but I could not describe it. It's like nothing.

1283
01:20:13.720 --> 01:20:17.600
It's so alien to what we're capable of doing. A

1284
01:20:17.680 --> 01:20:23.000
squawking in a squealing sound that just it just said

1285
01:20:23.039 --> 01:20:26.800
whatever it had to say, and then without making the sound,

1286
01:20:27.159 --> 01:20:29.000
it went away. Now I didn't go out to go

1287
01:20:29.119 --> 01:20:32.800
check it. I'm not to me. I may be a

1288
01:20:32.800 --> 01:20:35.039
brave man in certain things, but to go out into

1289
01:20:35.119 --> 01:20:39.760
complete darkness and to face something that big and potentially

1290
01:20:39.800 --> 01:20:42.520
piss it off, no thanks. I'm just going to stay

1291
01:20:42.520 --> 01:20:43.880
in the tent leave it alone.

1292
01:20:43.960 --> 01:20:45.920
Were these actual words you were hearing or was it

1293
01:20:45.960 --> 01:20:47.600
closer till the serials sounds?

1294
01:20:47.800 --> 01:20:51.720
Well, just when the closest I could ever come to

1295
01:20:51.920 --> 01:20:56.399
is maybe like hogs when they do that sound. But

1296
01:20:56.439 --> 01:20:58.239
there was more to it than that. There were grunts

1297
01:20:58.279 --> 01:21:02.319
and growls with that was a cacophony of different sounds.

1298
01:21:02.319 --> 01:21:05.960
While that was going on, it was just too hard

1299
01:21:06.039 --> 01:21:09.319
for our vocal cords to be able to coordinate, to

1300
01:21:09.399 --> 01:21:12.039
be able to match. But I think he just wanted

1301
01:21:12.079 --> 01:21:13.920
to say his peace and just let me know that

1302
01:21:13.920 --> 01:21:16.760
we're there. I also would like to point out that

1303
01:21:16.800 --> 01:21:19.159
they do like to have fun with us on occasion.

1304
01:21:20.039 --> 01:21:24.319
They in a way, and I guess that when you're

1305
01:21:24.359 --> 01:21:26.920
out there in the woods and your bored, you've got

1306
01:21:26.920 --> 01:21:29.880
to do something to amuse yourself, and sometimes they do

1307
01:21:29.920 --> 01:21:30.840
it at our expense.

1308
01:21:31.479 --> 01:21:35.279
One of the things that happened was Ed was getting

1309
01:21:35.359 --> 01:21:38.720
up in age and he having problems with his back.

1310
01:21:38.800 --> 01:21:42.720
So his wife got him a nice cot to sit in,

1311
01:21:43.640 --> 01:21:46.039
and so we put that cot in, but there wasn't

1312
01:21:46.159 --> 01:21:48.479
much room in the tent, so it had it pressed

1313
01:21:48.560 --> 01:21:51.680
up all against the side of the tent so that

1314
01:21:51.800 --> 01:21:54.000
you could actually see the edge of the cot when

1315
01:21:54.039 --> 01:21:55.720
you were outside of the tent, you could see that

1316
01:21:55.800 --> 01:21:59.239
the ridge of it poking up against the side. And

1317
01:22:00.119 --> 01:22:02.520
he all I know of it is that he fell

1318
01:22:02.560 --> 01:22:05.720
on me in the middle of the night, off of

1319
01:22:05.760 --> 01:22:09.239
his cot, and I said, Ed, what happened? What's going on?

1320
01:22:09.560 --> 01:22:12.760
And he said, I just got knocked off by one

1321
01:22:12.800 --> 01:22:15.439
of these big foot And said how did that happen?

1322
01:22:15.479 --> 01:22:18.399
And he goes he gets up, and he says, I

1323
01:22:18.520 --> 01:22:21.479
woke up and I could smell it, but I was

1324
01:22:21.520 --> 01:22:24.680
so tired I started to lean back into my bunk,

1325
01:22:25.199 --> 01:22:28.159
and it could see my movement because you can see

1326
01:22:28.159 --> 01:22:31.119
the movement of the cot pressed against the thing. And

1327
01:22:31.159 --> 01:22:33.319
so he got angered with the fact that I wasn't

1328
01:22:33.359 --> 01:22:35.520
going to interact with him, so he hit the edge

1329
01:22:35.520 --> 01:22:38.840
of the cot with his fist I'm assuming or maybe

1330
01:22:38.880 --> 01:22:41.439
his foot and hit the edge of the cot on

1331
01:22:41.479 --> 01:22:43.880
the tent and knocked the cot over and knocked him

1332
01:22:43.920 --> 01:22:47.399
over on me. Just I guess he just got annoyed

1333
01:22:47.439 --> 01:22:49.479
by the fact that we were going to ignore him,

1334
01:22:50.520 --> 01:22:56.079
and so they'll interact with you in that manner. Another story,

1335
01:22:56.560 --> 01:22:58.840
and I'll get into a couple of stories about my

1336
01:22:58.960 --> 01:23:02.399
son and real quick. The second time that my son

1337
01:23:02.560 --> 01:23:08.079
got interacted with them, we pull into the campsite area

1338
01:23:08.319 --> 01:23:12.079
off this road this fire brake, and there was this

1339
01:23:12.159 --> 01:23:15.159
huge bush. It's not there now, but at the time

1340
01:23:15.199 --> 01:23:18.279
there was this massive bush that used to sit there

1341
01:23:18.720 --> 01:23:21.439
and you couldn't see anything through it. You couldn't see

1342
01:23:21.479 --> 01:23:23.479
a foot into this thing. It had so many leaves

1343
01:23:23.520 --> 01:23:27.640
on it. And when I pull in with my vehicle,

1344
01:23:28.439 --> 01:23:32.199
I got out and all of a sudden, I'm overwhelmed

1345
01:23:32.199 --> 01:23:35.439
by the smell. I'm just as soon as I got

1346
01:23:35.479 --> 01:23:38.600
out of the car, I just knew that something big

1347
01:23:38.800 --> 01:23:41.680
was on the other side of that brand of those

1348
01:23:41.720 --> 01:23:45.039
bushes and had been standing there and like just watching

1349
01:23:45.119 --> 01:23:50.720
this coming in. And I could even describe perfectly the smell.

1350
01:23:51.800 --> 01:23:54.760
It had that fishy odor to it, like tuna fish.

1351
01:23:54.840 --> 01:23:59.399
And if you took macaroni and cheese and you put

1352
01:23:59.600 --> 01:24:02.600
a little the tuna fish in there, and then you

1353
01:24:02.680 --> 01:24:05.439
put it in a microwave and cooked it about a

1354
01:24:05.560 --> 01:24:08.359
minute more than what it needed to have for it

1355
01:24:08.399 --> 01:24:10.600
to be to where the point it was actually starting

1356
01:24:10.640 --> 01:24:13.000
to burn. That would be the smell that you would get.

1357
01:24:16.039 --> 01:24:20.920
And so I'm standing there and I'm smelling this almost

1358
01:24:20.960 --> 01:24:25.279
my eyes are almost water and from the smell, and

1359
01:24:26.640 --> 01:24:29.760
I'm concerned because I didn't want to do anything that

1360
01:24:29.800 --> 01:24:33.800
would provoke it. And my son is right there. He's

1361
01:24:33.840 --> 01:24:37.720
only thirteen. I'm concerned that he might be in danger.

1362
01:24:37.840 --> 01:24:40.239
So we're just I said, just stay there, don't move,

1363
01:24:41.479 --> 01:24:44.720
let it decide what it wants to do. And then

1364
01:24:44.760 --> 01:24:48.840
pretty soon the smell started to scipitate, and I said, okay,

1365
01:24:48.840 --> 01:24:51.520
I think he's left. So then I cautiously walked around

1366
01:24:51.520 --> 01:24:53.640
the bush to the other side, and sure enough, there

1367
01:24:53.720 --> 01:24:56.960
was no sign of anything around there, and I said, okay,

1368
01:24:57.039 --> 01:24:59.479
I guess he's had his fun. So let's go build

1369
01:24:59.479 --> 01:25:04.119
a cancer. Maybe i'll come back. Sure enough, we go

1370
01:25:04.199 --> 01:25:08.000
and start setting up the tent, and as we're doing so,

1371
01:25:09.000 --> 01:25:13.600
all of a sudden, that smell returns and I'm looking around.

1372
01:25:13.720 --> 01:25:16.840
I can't see anything. There's trees in there, and there's bushes,

1373
01:25:17.319 --> 01:25:21.399
but still I could see a certain distance, like maybe

1374
01:25:21.560 --> 01:25:25.039
thirty forty feet into the wooded area, but I'm not

1375
01:25:25.079 --> 01:25:28.800
seeing a thing moving. But the smell was very overpowered,

1376
01:25:29.960 --> 01:25:33.920
and so I look as I'm looking for it. All

1377
01:25:33.920 --> 01:25:36.880
of a sudden, I hear there's deep like lurch in

1378
01:25:36.880 --> 01:25:45.720
the Adams family, this deep voice go. And I look

1379
01:25:45.760 --> 01:25:48.920
around and them don't think that's anything all I've ever

1380
01:25:48.960 --> 01:25:52.039
heard before. I'm looking around in the trees and I'm

1381
01:25:52.039 --> 01:25:54.560
looking everywhere. I don't see anything. And then I hear

1382
01:25:54.600 --> 01:25:58.079
it repeat itself again. That's saying deep whoo who sound.

1383
01:25:58.119 --> 01:26:01.880
And then pretty soon this started to scipitate again, and

1384
01:26:01.920 --> 01:26:04.520
I said, I guess he's moved on, but he wanted

1385
01:26:04.520 --> 01:26:09.880
to leave his mark. Now. Part of that encounter that

1386
01:26:09.960 --> 01:26:13.239
we just had was with another experiment that I was

1387
01:26:13.279 --> 01:26:16.720
having about its food. I was very curious what these

1388
01:26:16.760 --> 01:26:21.479
things like to eat, and so I was also trying

1389
01:26:21.520 --> 01:26:25.600
to cleverly come up with a way of getting hair

1390
01:26:25.039 --> 01:26:30.279
for evidence, okay, to see what I could determine. So

1391
01:26:30.479 --> 01:26:33.199
I came up with the idea of using contact paper

1392
01:26:33.399 --> 01:26:38.840
like you use for shelves, and then sticking food on it,

1393
01:26:39.079 --> 01:26:42.840
like apples and bananas and whatever else I could think of,

1394
01:26:43.439 --> 01:26:45.600
and sticking it on the thing so it was like

1395
01:26:46.119 --> 01:26:49.359
glued to the surface, and then laying it out flat,

1396
01:26:49.800 --> 01:26:51.760
and the hopes that if it picked up the food,

1397
01:26:52.279 --> 01:26:55.279
it would leave some hairs behind. One of the things

1398
01:26:55.319 --> 01:26:59.560
that I did was I thought about giving it nuts,

1399
01:27:01.000 --> 01:27:05.720
and so I putted some salted almonds down, flavored almonds,

1400
01:27:06.560 --> 01:27:08.720
and I put them in a zip block bag and

1401
01:27:08.760 --> 01:27:11.319
I stuck that to the thing with the bag closed.

1402
01:27:12.760 --> 01:27:15.880
All right, then, what I had done that the week before,

1403
01:27:15.920 --> 01:27:19.399
I brought my son out and I was coming back

1404
01:27:19.439 --> 01:27:24.000
now to see what if anything that had touched. We

1405
01:27:24.399 --> 01:27:27.680
then went when we finished our tent, we went into

1406
01:27:27.680 --> 01:27:31.800
the woods to go look at this thing, and the

1407
01:27:32.119 --> 01:27:35.760
found the thing, but it had been completely untouched except

1408
01:27:35.800 --> 01:27:41.520
for one interesting thing, and that was the baggie had

1409
01:27:41.520 --> 01:27:46.920
been emptied completely of all of the nuts, and the

1410
01:27:46.960 --> 01:27:50.239
bag had been closed again. Something had actually closed that

1411
01:27:50.359 --> 01:27:55.199
zip block bag with that dexterity, but there were no

1412
01:27:55.319 --> 01:27:58.359
hairs on it or anything else. But I thought, how

1413
01:27:58.479 --> 01:28:02.439
interesting that this thing was go out and would carefully

1414
01:28:02.520 --> 01:28:06.399
open up a bag and apparently likes the nuts. And

1415
01:28:06.600 --> 01:28:09.880
I'm actually going to surmise that that it was the

1416
01:28:09.920 --> 01:28:14.359
salt that got it interested, because that's pretty hard to

1417
01:28:14.359 --> 01:28:16.279
come by in the woods, and it probably liked that.

1418
01:28:17.640 --> 01:28:21.760
But so now then I the next that was that evening,

1419
01:28:22.199 --> 01:28:26.439
I left it out there again and it went back

1420
01:28:26.439 --> 01:28:29.399
to the campsite. So we get up the next morning

1421
01:28:31.279 --> 01:28:33.600
and go back out to the site, and I was

1422
01:28:33.680 --> 01:28:35.319
going to pick it up and just bring it in

1423
01:28:36.079 --> 01:28:39.439
with me, and because I figured they weren't interested in it,

1424
01:28:39.960 --> 01:28:41.840
so I went to started to walk up to the

1425
01:28:41.920 --> 01:28:47.520
site and all of a sudden I hit this smell

1426
01:28:47.800 --> 01:28:50.600
at a wall of smell. That's all I could describe it.

1427
01:28:50.680 --> 01:28:55.279
And when you look at at how chemicals sit in

1428
01:28:55.359 --> 01:29:00.840
the air, the heavier the molecule, the less it travels.

1429
01:29:01.920 --> 01:29:06.720
And so if I smell something really bad and very strong,

1430
01:29:06.880 --> 01:29:09.880
and you ten feet from me don't smell it, yet,

1431
01:29:10.359 --> 01:29:13.680
that tells me that's a very long, complex molecule that's

1432
01:29:13.720 --> 01:29:17.920
hanging in the air. And to describe the smell, I

1433
01:29:17.960 --> 01:29:21.119
would have to say it was had that same fishy

1434
01:29:21.119 --> 01:29:23.680
odor to it that I always get, but this time

1435
01:29:23.720 --> 01:29:26.960
it smelled like hot breaks, just if you'd had a

1436
01:29:27.039 --> 01:29:30.039
semi slamming on the brakes and trying to burn out

1437
01:29:30.039 --> 01:29:33.319
the brakes that had that same kind of smell, and

1438
01:29:33.560 --> 01:29:36.479
I could smell this really bad, and I turned to him.

1439
01:29:36.479 --> 01:29:38.840
I said, man, you can't getting this. He says, no,

1440
01:29:38.960 --> 01:29:42.560
I don't smell anything. I said, oh, okay. But then

1441
01:29:42.640 --> 01:29:45.479
it took about three more seconds for the smell to

1442
01:29:45.520 --> 01:29:48.039
move over toward him to where he could get it,

1443
01:29:48.239 --> 01:29:50.640
and then all of a sudden, he starts gagging. And

1444
01:29:50.840 --> 01:29:53.560
what that told me is that, hey, I don't want

1445
01:29:53.600 --> 01:29:56.399
you here for whatever reason. I want you to go away.

1446
01:29:57.359 --> 01:30:01.479
And I said, okay, to me, that's a warning sign.

1447
01:30:01.680 --> 01:30:04.760
We're turning around. I'm not retreating the food. I'm just

1448
01:30:04.760 --> 01:30:07.720
going to go back. So we just turn around and left.

1449
01:30:07.760 --> 01:30:11.199
At that point, they are able to alter their smells.

1450
01:30:11.960 --> 01:30:15.760
They have a wide variety of senses of smells. I

1451
01:30:15.760 --> 01:30:18.960
don't know if that's I couldn't tell you whether it's

1452
01:30:19.000 --> 01:30:21.680
an individual that's able to alter his smells or if

1453
01:30:21.720 --> 01:30:25.000
those are individual smells of One guy smells like hot

1454
01:30:25.000 --> 01:30:25.840
breaks all the time.

1455
01:30:26.520 --> 01:30:29.279
Big for society will be right back after these messages.

1456
01:30:45.239 --> 01:30:48.479
Another guy smells like macaroni and cheese with the or

1457
01:30:49.000 --> 01:30:51.640
and another guy smells like rotted fish. I couldn't tell

1458
01:30:51.680 --> 01:30:55.239
you or am I interacting with the same one all

1459
01:30:55.359 --> 01:30:59.159
times and he's just giving me different smells. I don't know,

1460
01:30:59.560 --> 01:31:01.720
but I knew know there's more than one, but it

1461
01:31:01.760 --> 01:31:04.720
will always have that accompanying kind of phishy odor to it.

1462
01:31:06.119 --> 01:31:08.560
That's such a weird. I think that this is the

1463
01:31:08.680 --> 01:31:13.399
first show where that detail has come out. It's very interesting.

1464
01:31:13.439 --> 01:31:16.520
I'm gonna be keeping it in mind now. It brings

1465
01:31:16.600 --> 01:31:21.319
up an interesting point, and that they can either change

1466
01:31:21.359 --> 01:31:25.279
things about themselves, or they're affecting the way that we

1467
01:31:27.239 --> 01:31:31.039
either hear them or smell them, or they're changing their

1468
01:31:31.079 --> 01:31:35.439
smell and their sound themselves. It's very strange to think about.

1469
01:31:37.520 --> 01:31:40.720
Yeah, it is, but I just think it's just yet

1470
01:31:40.800 --> 01:31:44.600
another way they communicate with each other if they are

1471
01:31:44.680 --> 01:31:48.840
under attack. And I get this all the time. I

1472
01:31:48.880 --> 01:31:52.000
tell the story to work, friends and stuff, and everybody

1473
01:31:52.079 --> 01:31:54.319
kids me all the time about being the bigfoot guy.

1474
01:31:54.920 --> 01:31:57.960
But I always get these guys come up to me.

1475
01:31:58.600 --> 01:32:00.680
Can I go with you? I'm going to bring this

1476
01:32:00.720 --> 01:32:02.560
gun and I'm going to bring that gun and whatever.

1477
01:32:03.000 --> 01:32:06.399
I'm like, stay away, buddy, I don't need you with me,

1478
01:32:06.720 --> 01:32:09.960
because if we start shooting these things, we're not coming

1479
01:32:10.000 --> 01:32:15.800
out alive. I doubt seriously they're ever alone completely. Maybe

1480
01:32:15.800 --> 01:32:18.239
they say you might run into one of the expeditionary

1481
01:32:18.279 --> 01:32:21.960
ones that's alone, but if I'm in that area, I

1482
01:32:22.159 --> 01:32:25.159
know that they're not alone. And if we start shooting,

1483
01:32:25.680 --> 01:32:28.760
we're not coming out. Because these things you've heard, their

1484
01:32:29.039 --> 01:32:33.560
rock throwing abilities are just incredible, and they they've never

1485
01:32:33.600 --> 01:32:36.279
thrown a rock at me, But that doesn't mean that

1486
01:32:36.359 --> 01:32:38.600
I'm not aware that they're fully capable of that.

1487
01:32:39.000 --> 01:32:45.239
Oh yeah, Scott's I've heard accounts from a gentleman over

1488
01:32:45.279 --> 01:32:50.600
by Packwood, Washington, where allegedly he ended up shooting one

1489
01:32:50.680 --> 01:32:53.279
in the face, and then I want to say, the

1490
01:32:53.399 --> 01:32:58.520
same guy later on they're in a different area nearby,

1491
01:32:58.680 --> 01:33:01.399
but he ended up getting thrown down on the ground

1492
01:33:02.079 --> 01:33:08.039
very very forcibly somehow. So there are definitely stories of

1493
01:33:08.279 --> 01:33:12.039
if you mess around, you will find out that is

1494
01:33:12.079 --> 01:33:13.000
the wrong thing to do.

1495
01:33:14.520 --> 01:33:18.960
Yeah, now I'm going to tell you a story that

1496
01:33:19.039 --> 01:33:22.720
has I'm going to tell it because of the fact

1497
01:33:22.720 --> 01:33:25.000
that it shows you how thorough I am and my

1498
01:33:25.159 --> 01:33:30.640
investigations alludes to that. And I just don't make impulsive

1499
01:33:30.680 --> 01:33:33.199
decisions on what I've encountered. I really try to think

1500
01:33:33.279 --> 01:33:37.199
through it and make sure that I'm actually seeing what

1501
01:33:37.239 --> 01:33:41.439
I'm seeing and not deceived in some way. In this

1502
01:33:41.439 --> 01:33:43.600
particular case, it was one of the rare times that

1503
01:33:43.640 --> 01:33:47.479
I went out by myself. And I'm also make a

1504
01:33:47.479 --> 01:33:49.920
point of telling you that the reason that I never

1505
01:33:50.039 --> 01:33:55.760
go out by myself on most occasions is that one

1506
01:33:55.960 --> 01:33:58.319
it's just a good safety thing, but two, I always

1507
01:33:58.359 --> 01:34:01.560
want to witness with me to when I encounter something.

1508
01:34:02.720 --> 01:34:06.640
But in this particular case, I had went by myself,

1509
01:34:07.359 --> 01:34:09.880
and I had just bought in a gun show these

1510
01:34:10.079 --> 01:34:13.479
Russian mvgs, and I was anxious to try them out.

1511
01:34:14.880 --> 01:34:20.239
So I go out and I set up my campsite

1512
01:34:20.279 --> 01:34:23.680
at the same spot. I decided to cook myself a meal,

1513
01:34:24.359 --> 01:34:26.840
and it was just starting to get dark, and as

1514
01:34:26.880 --> 01:34:31.000
I'm cooking on the tailgate of the truck, I said,

1515
01:34:31.079 --> 01:34:33.039
it's getting dark enough. I want to check out these

1516
01:34:33.159 --> 01:34:37.279
mvgs to see if they really work. So I put

1517
01:34:37.279 --> 01:34:41.000
the mvgs on and then I turned them on, and

1518
01:34:41.039 --> 01:34:45.239
then I look off into the woods and I am

1519
01:34:45.359 --> 01:34:48.439
seeing all of a sudden, these two glowing dots that

1520
01:34:48.560 --> 01:34:53.600
look like eyes, and so I lift up the mvgs

1521
01:34:53.640 --> 01:34:56.319
to see what I could see. Without them, and I

1522
01:34:56.319 --> 01:34:58.880
don't see anything. I don't see any glowing dots or

1523
01:34:58.920 --> 01:35:01.560
anything else. So I put the NBGS on and there

1524
01:35:01.560 --> 01:35:04.560
it is. And not only that, it's not just standing there,

1525
01:35:04.560 --> 01:35:09.359
it's moving. And I'm like freaking out because I'm thinking this,

1526
01:35:10.000 --> 01:35:14.439
I'm seeing the eyeshine of of the ir and it's

1527
01:35:14.479 --> 01:35:18.520
walking toward me. And then but it's silent. There's no

1528
01:35:18.760 --> 01:35:23.000
sound whatsoever. And of course I'm near a stream and

1529
01:35:23.079 --> 01:35:26.359
a fairly rapidly moving one, so there's you can't see

1530
01:35:27.359 --> 01:35:31.479
extree except for maybe really loud snapping branches, I wouldn't

1531
01:35:31.520 --> 01:35:35.079
hear much. But it actually, as I'm watching it, it

1532
01:35:35.159 --> 01:35:39.880
actually moves silently right next to me, through the woods

1533
01:35:40.439 --> 01:35:44.319
to my right and between me and the stream. And

1534
01:35:44.359 --> 01:35:48.159
I'm like, when I just freaked me down so much,

1535
01:35:48.199 --> 01:35:50.880
I just said, Okay, if they're able to move like that,

1536
01:35:51.479 --> 01:35:55.039
I am not going to mess with them. And so

1537
01:35:55.159 --> 01:35:57.880
I just packed up everything and I went back. I

1538
01:35:58.000 --> 01:36:01.960
spent a long time thinking about it, and I drug

1539
01:36:02.000 --> 01:36:04.640
a friend of mine out with me the next weekend,

1540
01:36:06.800 --> 01:36:09.600
and I said, I need to determine whether or not

1541
01:36:10.319 --> 01:36:13.800
I had really encountered one, or was there some other

1542
01:36:14.000 --> 01:36:19.800
explanation for this. And I looked at the area and

1543
01:36:19.920 --> 01:36:22.760
on the other side of the stream was another dirt road,

1544
01:36:24.079 --> 01:36:30.239
and I thought, what if it was a vehicle coming

1545
01:36:30.279 --> 01:36:33.279
down the road. But because of the fact that it

1546
01:36:33.479 --> 01:36:37.199
was through the woods and it wasn't quite dark yet,

1547
01:36:37.760 --> 01:36:40.720
I wouldn't be able to see the headlights except with

1548
01:36:40.840 --> 01:36:46.199
the MVGS. And so I did an experiment where I

1549
01:36:46.319 --> 01:36:51.199
had him take a truck and go down the road

1550
01:36:51.520 --> 01:36:54.039
without It was at a small angle, so you didn't

1551
01:36:54.039 --> 01:36:55.800
have to give it the gas to get moving. You

1552
01:36:55.800 --> 01:36:58.159
could actually coast down the road. And I said, I

1553
01:36:58.239 --> 01:37:00.079
just want you to go up the road and come

1554
01:37:00.119 --> 01:37:02.359
down again. I want to see if I could see

1555
01:37:02.399 --> 01:37:06.239
her headlights. And he came down in the truck and

1556
01:37:06.319 --> 01:37:09.159
I couldn't see him at all, and except when I

1557
01:37:09.239 --> 01:37:11.840
put the MVGS on, and then I could see make

1558
01:37:11.880 --> 01:37:16.760
out these headlights. I just I don't make statements rashly.

1559
01:37:17.119 --> 01:37:20.159
I do check them out and as scientifically as I

1560
01:37:20.239 --> 01:37:23.800
can to make a determination whether or not we're being

1561
01:37:24.720 --> 01:37:29.359
whether whether it's something real or am I just making

1562
01:37:29.640 --> 01:37:35.920
being fooled by just some other natural occurrence. So I

1563
01:37:35.960 --> 01:37:40.359
have had other encounters with them with camping and what not.

1564
01:37:40.960 --> 01:37:44.079
Occasionally when I camp put my wife, Like I said,

1565
01:37:44.119 --> 01:37:46.760
she just doesn't she loves camping, she just doesn't want

1566
01:37:47.439 --> 01:37:50.840
to have the bigfoot stomping around. Every now and then

1567
01:37:51.279 --> 01:37:53.079
I'll wake up in the middle of the night and

1568
01:37:53.119 --> 01:37:56.600
I'll catch that odor, and I know they're just okay,

1569
01:37:56.760 --> 01:38:00.920
just checking out, making sure everything's okay. But they I

1570
01:38:00.960 --> 01:38:05.119
think they understand her, and so out of respect for me,

1571
01:38:05.720 --> 01:38:08.479
they don't really try to interfere with us that much,

1572
01:38:09.319 --> 01:38:14.560
but I think they somehow know when I'm around. Now.

1573
01:38:15.239 --> 01:38:19.239
The last story I've got was just before COVID hit.

1574
01:38:19.760 --> 01:38:24.199
I went out with my son and it was the

1575
01:38:24.239 --> 01:38:27.439
most interesting interaction I've ever had with them, because I

1576
01:38:27.479 --> 01:38:30.760
didn't know they could do with what they had this

1577
01:38:30.880 --> 01:38:37.880
capability about them. We parked our car and it was

1578
01:38:38.159 --> 01:38:42.600
amazingly quiet in the area. There was hardly any traffic

1579
01:38:42.640 --> 01:38:47.600
at all at that time off the main road, and

1580
01:38:47.640 --> 01:38:51.239
so we parked our car and they decided to go

1581
01:38:51.359 --> 01:38:55.920
for a walk, all right, And as we're walking around,

1582
01:38:57.560 --> 01:39:02.079
I'm hearing this dog yapping and sounds like a Jack

1583
01:39:02.159 --> 01:39:04.640
Russell terrier, who is the best I could describe it

1584
01:39:04.720 --> 01:39:09.399
if you're interested, but it just was this concept. Yeah, yep.

1585
01:39:10.520 --> 01:39:14.119
And as we're walking, I said, if the owner should

1586
01:39:14.119 --> 01:39:17.079
have stopped this dog by now, but they haven't, they

1587
01:39:17.159 --> 01:39:21.039
might be in trouble. So I listened for where the

1588
01:39:21.159 --> 01:39:24.720
sound of this barking was coming from, and there was

1589
01:39:24.880 --> 01:39:30.560
a road leading off in that direction, and my thought was,

1590
01:39:30.680 --> 01:39:33.520
is that somebody that might have set a campsite up

1591
01:39:33.560 --> 01:39:37.520
and that had leased their dog and maybe they were

1592
01:39:37.560 --> 01:39:39.600
in trouble. Maybe the guy had a heart attack or

1593
01:39:39.640 --> 01:39:41.840
something and the dog is just trying to get our

1594
01:39:41.840 --> 01:39:45.760
attention for help or whatever. As we walked down the road,

1595
01:39:46.279 --> 01:39:49.039
I said, yeah, it's definitely coming from down this little

1596
01:39:49.239 --> 01:39:53.319
this off trail, so let's walk down there. So we

1597
01:39:53.399 --> 01:39:59.039
walked down the road about maybe two hundred yards and

1598
01:39:59.520 --> 01:40:04.359
all of a sudd the barking stops, and then something.

1599
01:40:04.760 --> 01:40:08.399
There was some bushes off to our left and something

1600
01:40:08.560 --> 01:40:12.000
big was moving through those brush. Now, that's nothing to

1601
01:40:12.039 --> 01:40:14.439
get excited about, because, like I said, there's tons of

1602
01:40:14.479 --> 01:40:19.439
elk and obviously bear and I have seen black bear

1603
01:40:19.479 --> 01:40:22.760
running around their life, so that in itself meant nothing.

1604
01:40:22.800 --> 01:40:26.319
But something really big was moving through about twenty yards

1605
01:40:26.319 --> 01:40:29.119
of bushes right next to us, and you could just

1606
01:40:29.199 --> 01:40:32.680
hear it shaking and whatnot, and cracking and whatnot. But

1607
01:40:33.720 --> 01:40:36.319
what was the telling part about it was is that

1608
01:40:36.359 --> 01:40:40.319
when the shaking stopped, then the dogs started barking. And

1609
01:40:40.359 --> 01:40:43.920
now it was where the branches had started to stop shaking,

1610
01:40:43.960 --> 01:40:46.439
where it had gone through the branches to the other

1611
01:40:46.479 --> 01:40:50.199
side of this bushes, and then started barking again in

1612
01:40:50.239 --> 01:40:54.199
a completely different area, now behind us. And so I said,

1613
01:40:54.199 --> 01:40:56.439
all right, I don't know what's going on, but just

1614
01:40:56.479 --> 01:41:00.319
stay behind me about twenty yards. Just keep me inside,

1615
01:41:00.600 --> 01:41:02.399
and I'm going to go ahead and see if I

1616
01:41:02.439 --> 01:41:07.199
can see this dog. So I started walking through this

1617
01:41:07.479 --> 01:41:10.079
open area of woods. When I say open, it means

1618
01:41:10.079 --> 01:41:12.840
it was brush free, but there were still plenty of trees.

1619
01:41:14.000 --> 01:41:19.000
And as I'm walking, this thing was just staying out

1620
01:41:19.079 --> 01:41:22.760
of sight. You'd hear it behind a tree, let's say,

1621
01:41:22.880 --> 01:41:26.880
maybe twenty thirty yards away from you, and then just

1622
01:41:26.960 --> 01:41:29.159
as you got up to the tree, it would all

1623
01:41:29.199 --> 01:41:32.960
of a sudden be quiet, and then another thirty yards

1624
01:41:32.960 --> 01:41:35.960
away would be another tree and you'd hear barking behind that.

1625
01:41:37.359 --> 01:41:40.720
It's like, how is this happening? But it was clearly

1626
01:41:40.840 --> 01:41:44.319
leading us around. And then as we were trying to

1627
01:41:44.359 --> 01:41:47.399
follow it, and then finally it quit barking, and then

1628
01:41:47.439 --> 01:41:50.640
it went to the across the road that we walked

1629
01:41:50.640 --> 01:41:54.119
in on and then started barking from that side all

1630
01:41:54.159 --> 01:41:57.439
the time without breaking a branch or moving a thing.

1631
01:41:57.520 --> 01:42:01.199
It was just so bizarre, so I said, okay, clearly

1632
01:42:01.239 --> 01:42:03.960
it's messing with us, so let's just go back about

1633
01:42:03.960 --> 01:42:07.079
our business. So we got out. We just walked down

1634
01:42:07.119 --> 01:42:12.920
the road a little further and we crossed this bridge

1635
01:42:13.279 --> 01:42:18.079
and we were walking along and then all of the

1636
01:42:18.159 --> 01:42:23.079
grunting sounds like, for want of a better description, i'd

1637
01:42:23.079 --> 01:42:26.720
say it sounded just like chimpanzees that kind of that

1638
01:42:26.960 --> 01:42:31.319
kind of grunting the sound that they make, and it's

1639
01:42:31.359 --> 01:42:35.720
coming from underneath the bridge we just crossed. So I said, okay,

1640
01:42:36.159 --> 01:42:38.840
let's see what's going on here. Let you walk on

1641
01:42:38.840 --> 01:42:40.600
one side of the bridge and I'll walk on the other,

1642
01:42:40.640 --> 01:42:42.399
and we'll see if we can see anything move out.

1643
01:42:43.439 --> 01:42:46.520
So we walked up to the bridge and it stopped

1644
01:42:46.680 --> 01:42:48.960
about it as we got about to say, twenty yards

1645
01:42:48.960 --> 01:42:52.159
from the bridge, and so we tried to watch for movement,

1646
01:42:52.199 --> 01:42:54.960
but we were not exactly the best angle to see it.

1647
01:42:55.399 --> 01:42:57.600
But we walked up to the bridge and looked underneath.

1648
01:42:57.640 --> 01:43:00.760
It was nothing there. So I said, man, these guys

1649
01:43:00.800 --> 01:43:03.079
are just having fun with us. We went back to

1650
01:43:03.119 --> 01:43:06.239
our campsite and we went the rest of the night.

1651
01:43:06.319 --> 01:43:08.720
I kept thinking that they were going to show up

1652
01:43:08.840 --> 01:43:12.960
or something at night, but nothing. But then the next

1653
01:43:13.000 --> 01:43:18.359
morning I wake up and it's just starting to get daybreak,

1654
01:43:20.199 --> 01:43:25.319
and I hear a bird. And as I'm trying to

1655
01:43:25.359 --> 01:43:28.680
wake up, I listened to this bird, and then the

1656
01:43:28.800 --> 01:43:31.039
dawns on me. I said, well, well, wait a minute.

1657
01:43:31.560 --> 01:43:35.399
This isn't any bird. This is a something like some

1658
01:43:35.520 --> 01:43:39.680
kind of tropical bird. There's a It sounds like what

1659
01:43:39.720 --> 01:43:41.880
you'd expect to say, a tucn or one of those

1660
01:43:41.960 --> 01:43:46.760
exotic parakeets in say Brazil to make nothing like you'd

1661
01:43:46.760 --> 01:43:50.680
find in Washington or even in North America. And it

1662
01:43:50.720 --> 01:43:53.720
was very elaborate, and I did take it and my

1663
01:43:54.000 --> 01:43:57.359
cell phone. The problem I had was that when I

1664
01:43:57.399 --> 01:43:59.800
got my new cell phone, I asked them to transfer

1665
01:43:59.840 --> 01:44:04.039
all data and they I didn't realize until too late

1666
01:44:04.079 --> 01:44:07.760
that they didn't translate the recording that I had. Sadly,

1667
01:44:07.840 --> 01:44:10.680
I've been happy to have played that for you, but

1668
01:44:11.399 --> 01:44:15.279
I had played it to other people and had and

1669
01:44:15.359 --> 01:44:17.600
so they had heard it, so they said, yeah, that

1670
01:44:17.840 --> 01:44:21.560
just sounds so bizarre. It had a rhythmic pattern to it,

1671
01:44:21.600 --> 01:44:23.880
but it was very long. It was like an elaborate

1672
01:44:24.039 --> 01:44:28.520
undulating pattern that was probably like probably about ten seconds

1673
01:44:28.560 --> 01:44:33.840
before it repeated itself. Oh man. And yeah. So anyway,

1674
01:44:34.239 --> 01:44:37.439
but now there's a little side story to that. I

1675
01:44:37.479 --> 01:44:41.840
told one of my work friends about that, and so

1676
01:44:42.800 --> 01:44:45.880
he goes camping, not in the exact same area, but

1677
01:44:46.079 --> 01:44:52.319
near that area, but probably fifteen twenty miles as of proflies.

1678
01:44:53.039 --> 01:44:55.520
But he brought his family in there, and he had

1679
01:44:55.560 --> 01:44:59.479
told them specifically about this story that I said, And

1680
01:44:59.560 --> 01:45:02.199
he said, as they were going through the woods out there,

1681
01:45:02.319 --> 01:45:05.840
all of a sudden, he said, I know exactly what

1682
01:45:05.880 --> 01:45:06.720
you're talking about.

1683
01:45:07.600 --> 01:45:10.359
Big for Society will be right back after these messages.

1684
01:45:26.560 --> 01:45:29.640
I just heard that sound. It sounded like some kind

1685
01:45:29.640 --> 01:45:32.600
of tropical bird out there in the middle of the forest.

1686
01:45:33.039 --> 01:45:35.560
And it was never when we walked in that area,

1687
01:45:36.039 --> 01:45:38.680
Just like with me, as I would walk toward it,

1688
01:45:38.680 --> 01:45:41.960
it would stop. You think you're just about you'd see

1689
01:45:41.960 --> 01:45:44.399
the bush where you're hearing the sound coming from. Then

1690
01:45:44.439 --> 01:45:47.520
it would stop, and then it would start fifty yards

1691
01:45:47.520 --> 01:45:50.399
over at another bush and you'd walk up to that

1692
01:45:51.359 --> 01:45:53.079
and he said it was just like that, and he said,

1693
01:45:53.159 --> 01:45:54.560
I'm just going to get the kids, so we're going

1694
01:45:54.600 --> 01:45:55.279
to go back home.

1695
01:45:56.000 --> 01:45:58.760
Yeah, I don't know what I think that's the best

1696
01:45:58.960 --> 01:46:01.640
thing to do. I've experienced that in Oregon, out in

1697
01:46:01.640 --> 01:46:05.560
the woods, where there was a young lady that was

1698
01:46:05.600 --> 01:46:09.880
able to communicate with a fake bird noise that was

1699
01:46:09.960 --> 01:46:12.439
coming out from the bushes, and it was trying to

1700
01:46:12.439 --> 01:46:16.159
get at least heard to move further down the trail

1701
01:46:16.199 --> 01:46:19.600
because it started slowly going away. And I've heard accounts

1702
01:46:19.640 --> 01:46:25.199
where people have heard mimic people's voices or life beacon

1703
01:46:25.880 --> 01:46:28.640
beeps from the woods. It's just it's wild, the mimicry

1704
01:46:29.159 --> 01:46:31.640
to try to get someone to go to another area

1705
01:46:31.880 --> 01:46:33.319
that's out there. It's crazy.

1706
01:46:33.800 --> 01:46:39.600
Yeah, it is so these now some of those we

1707
01:46:39.720 --> 01:46:45.119
have the legends of windowgoes. And since I've now run

1708
01:46:45.159 --> 01:46:47.359
into Bigfoot, I have to say that I have to

1709
01:46:47.359 --> 01:46:49.840
give credence to the other things that go bump in

1710
01:46:49.880 --> 01:46:52.800
the night. As a matter of fact, I like to

1711
01:46:52.880 --> 01:46:54.359
joke that I said, I don't want to say there's

1712
01:46:54.359 --> 01:46:56.760
no such thing as leprechaunts, for fear that someone will

1713
01:46:56.760 --> 01:46:58.880
come up and kick me in the shin. Yeah so

1714
01:46:59.119 --> 01:47:01.560
I so there could be a lot more to this

1715
01:47:02.039 --> 01:47:04.159
amazing world that we live in than we think.

1716
01:47:04.800 --> 01:47:21.760
And hello, oh I think we lost him, Scott. Oh boy,

1717
01:47:21.920 --> 01:47:30.439
it's not good. It's getting to the point where now

1718
01:47:30.760 --> 01:47:33.680
calls are being shut down completely.

1719
01:47:48.119 --> 01:47:49.199
I lost you apparently.

1720
01:47:49.319 --> 01:47:52.079
Hey, that was weird. I've never had that one happen before.

1721
01:47:53.600 --> 01:47:55.520
What happened? What point did you lose me in?

1722
01:47:56.000 --> 01:48:01.399
We were talking about mimicry and thing that you've experienced

1723
01:48:01.520 --> 01:48:04.680
out there. You talked about parakeets sounds, and then I

1724
01:48:04.720 --> 01:48:08.600
had talked about stuff that I had heard. I think

1725
01:48:08.640 --> 01:48:09.640
that was about it.

1726
01:48:11.199 --> 01:48:14.439
Okay. I was talking about the metaphysical part. Did I

1727
01:48:14.479 --> 01:48:18.680
get into that about the epic of Gomesh Not yet?

1728
01:48:19.039 --> 01:48:21.880
Okay, that's funny. Wow, you were talking about that and

1729
01:48:21.920 --> 01:48:26.600
that's where it got shut down. Yeah, Oh my goodness, dude,

1730
01:48:26.640 --> 01:48:27.319
that's wild.

1731
01:48:28.239 --> 01:48:32.199
I don't get it. Okay, yepkay, Okay, there's that could

1732
01:48:32.199 --> 01:48:34.760
be a point to all of this, you know, when

1733
01:48:34.760 --> 01:48:35.399
you're ready.

1734
01:48:35.199 --> 01:48:38.560
To record, Yeah, we're going You're good.

1735
01:48:38.920 --> 01:48:43.640
Okay, Okay. The part that I wanted to get into

1736
01:48:43.800 --> 01:48:49.279
is their metaphysical aspects. There about these things that defy

1737
01:48:50.079 --> 01:48:54.960
biological movement. The lack of tracks. They seem to only

1738
01:48:55.000 --> 01:48:57.760
be there when they want to be there, the sound,

1739
01:48:57.880 --> 01:48:59.800
the fact that they don't make any sounds when they

1740
01:48:59.800 --> 01:49:02.720
move through the woods. They seem to be in complete

1741
01:49:02.760 --> 01:49:07.119
control of the environment, which is why I respect them

1742
01:49:07.159 --> 01:49:09.760
so much and realize that even though I'm fully armed

1743
01:49:09.800 --> 01:49:13.520
when I go in there, and I'm extremely well trained

1744
01:49:13.520 --> 01:49:16.399
with firearms, one of the courses we had to go

1745
01:49:16.479 --> 01:49:18.640
through was one where you could weren't allowed to use

1746
01:49:18.640 --> 01:49:21.479
the sights on your guns to shoot, and you had

1747
01:49:21.520 --> 01:49:24.319
to learn how to position your body reliably so that

1748
01:49:24.399 --> 01:49:26.960
you could still hit your target without ever using your sights.

1749
01:49:28.520 --> 01:49:32.960
And so I'm very good with a firearm, I'm very

1750
01:49:32.960 --> 01:49:35.520
confident with it, but I know that I'm not in

1751
01:49:35.520 --> 01:49:42.000
an environment where I could possibly engage these things on

1752
01:49:42.039 --> 01:49:45.279
a fair footing. My gun is nothing more than a

1753
01:49:45.279 --> 01:49:49.479
glorified security blanket, because these guys just seem to have

1754
01:49:49.520 --> 01:49:55.399
such control of their environment, but they have senses beyond

1755
01:49:55.439 --> 01:49:57.279
what we seem to be able to have. The fact

1756
01:49:57.319 --> 01:50:00.359
that they seem to know who I am. Whether that's

1757
01:50:00.359 --> 01:50:03.279
through sense or sight or whatever, I couldn't tell you,

1758
01:50:03.319 --> 01:50:06.000
but they seem to know something about me, and they

1759
01:50:06.039 --> 01:50:10.239
seem to know something about my character, which is important.

1760
01:50:10.359 --> 01:50:14.000
They don't advertise themselves to people that will shoot at them.

1761
01:50:14.159 --> 01:50:18.239
They seem to know by by observation of whatever kind,

1762
01:50:18.399 --> 01:50:21.039
whether they can trust us enough to try to communicate

1763
01:50:21.159 --> 01:50:24.680
or not. And so for bigfoot hunters that are out

1764
01:50:24.720 --> 01:50:28.279
there with their elephant guns and whatnot, they'll be running

1765
01:50:28.359 --> 01:50:30.640
up and down those fire broads all for the rest

1766
01:50:30.680 --> 01:50:33.720
of their lives and never run into these guys. They're

1767
01:50:33.760 --> 01:50:39.319
just fooling themselves, wasting their time. When but some people

1768
01:50:39.359 --> 01:50:44.000
are just visited, and I actually believe there's a religious

1769
01:50:44.039 --> 01:50:48.399
quality to them. I will refer to the epic of

1770
01:50:48.439 --> 01:50:58.319
Gilgamesh in which they are discussing the uh. The in there,

1771
01:50:58.359 --> 01:51:01.760
the wild man of the think of Gomesh, I think

1772
01:51:01.800 --> 01:51:06.359
the name is a dukie or just trying to pull

1773
01:51:06.359 --> 01:51:10.279
it off and douku or something like that. And uh.

1774
01:51:11.039 --> 01:51:14.479
But when you look at the description in there that

1775
01:51:14.479 --> 01:51:18.880
the gods made this thing, not God, the gods. And

1776
01:51:19.000 --> 01:51:21.880
actually what's really interesting about it is if you break

1777
01:51:21.920 --> 01:51:25.560
down the word of there, that the ending of the

1778
01:51:25.600 --> 01:51:33.119
word means made by okay the andu it means that

1779
01:51:33.239 --> 01:51:38.159
the means literally the lord of the heir, and in

1780
01:51:38.199 --> 01:51:41.239
the Bible we refer to the Prince of the Air,

1781
01:51:41.279 --> 01:51:45.000
which means it basically means the same thing, and which

1782
01:51:45.039 --> 01:51:48.279
is a reference to satan. As. For want of a

1783
01:51:48.319 --> 01:51:51.680
better description, I think that we're dealing with something that

1784
01:51:51.840 --> 01:51:55.239
is not human in the sense that we recognize it,

1785
01:51:55.319 --> 01:51:58.960
or not biological. That's how they're able to move through

1786
01:51:59.520 --> 01:52:02.800
demension or whatever and go wherever they need to go

1787
01:52:02.920 --> 01:52:06.199
and do whatever they need to do without worrying about

1788
01:52:06.279 --> 01:52:10.399
us directly. But they seem to have certain limitations. We

1789
01:52:10.520 --> 01:52:14.439
do run into them, and sometimes by complete accident. I've

1790
01:52:14.439 --> 01:52:17.239
met a lot of people that have run into them,

1791
01:52:17.319 --> 01:52:19.279
or have told me stories where they've run into them,

1792
01:52:19.319 --> 01:52:22.039
where they've caught them unawares. I had a friend of

1793
01:52:22.079 --> 01:52:26.000
mine that was out elk hunting, and he said he

1794
01:52:26.199 --> 01:52:29.560
was scanning out across some fallen dead trees for a

1795
01:52:29.560 --> 01:52:31.840
couple of hundred yards just to see if he could

1796
01:52:32.359 --> 01:52:34.479
see anything, and all of a sudden, a movement caught him,

1797
01:52:35.159 --> 01:52:38.079
and he said he realized that he was looking at

1798
01:52:39.760 --> 01:52:45.520
a very hairy human shaped object that was bobbing up

1799
01:52:45.560 --> 01:52:48.399
and down in the trees, just like it's bending up

1800
01:52:48.479 --> 01:52:51.680
and down doing something he couldn't figure out what, and

1801
01:52:51.720 --> 01:52:53.800
then all of a sudden it looks up and then

1802
01:52:53.840 --> 01:52:57.079
it bobs down behind the tree and then completely disappears.

1803
01:52:57.119 --> 01:52:58.920
He went over to the tree, and there was nothing

1804
01:53:00.239 --> 01:53:02.359
happened to catch it while it was doing whatever it

1805
01:53:02.399 --> 01:53:06.800
was doing, and then when it once it became aware

1806
01:53:06.840 --> 01:53:11.239
of him and it disappeared. They just have fantastic abilities

1807
01:53:11.279 --> 01:53:14.079
beyond what we are, and I'm sure they're very strong.

1808
01:53:14.720 --> 01:53:19.640
That the difference between us and apes is that in

1809
01:53:19.760 --> 01:53:24.640
terms of strength, is that standard human being without training

1810
01:53:25.039 --> 01:53:28.600
can maybe lift his own body weight on the average. Okay,

1811
01:53:29.199 --> 01:53:32.399
the very best trained of us. If you look at

1812
01:53:32.479 --> 01:53:35.279
all of the weightlifting records done and you look at

1813
01:53:35.279 --> 01:53:38.319
the body weight of the person that the maximum only

1814
01:53:38.399 --> 01:53:40.640
seem to be able to achieve is being able to

1815
01:53:40.680 --> 01:53:45.520
lift about three point one times our weight. Okay, it

1816
01:53:45.600 --> 01:53:47.960
seems to be like the magic number that we can

1817
01:53:48.000 --> 01:53:50.279
lift above our weight. I don't know if you're aware

1818
01:53:50.319 --> 01:53:54.840
of this, but one university wanted to test chimpanzees to

1819
01:53:54.880 --> 01:53:57.359
see how strong they were, and taught them how to

1820
01:53:57.439 --> 01:54:02.600
lift weights without any training. The one hundred and sixty

1821
01:54:02.640 --> 01:54:07.680
five pound chimpanzee pressed eight hundred and fifteen pounds.

1822
01:54:08.720 --> 01:54:09.239
Oh wow.

1823
01:54:10.439 --> 01:54:16.000
Okay that strength ratio. We humans seem to have gotten

1824
01:54:16.079 --> 01:54:18.640
short into the stick when it comes to body strength

1825
01:54:18.760 --> 01:54:22.760
per size. All the simians seem to have the ability

1826
01:54:22.760 --> 01:54:26.600
to lift about five times their weight. Okay. Bears also

1827
01:54:26.680 --> 01:54:31.439
are the same category. So that four hundred pound silverback,

1828
01:54:32.199 --> 01:54:34.760
if he's lifting five times is weight. You don't want

1829
01:54:34.760 --> 01:54:38.279
to mess with him. Okay. Can you imagine what an

1830
01:54:38.279 --> 01:54:40.039
eight hundred pound squatch would do to you.

1831
01:54:40.600 --> 01:54:45.680
I can definitely lift up things that are incredibly massive.

1832
01:54:46.479 --> 01:54:50.800
Yeah, yeah, So I just don't want to mess around

1833
01:54:50.800 --> 01:54:55.399
with something. And you hear about their incredible rock throwing ability.

1834
01:54:55.560 --> 01:54:58.000
I ran into a guy who another work friend of mine.

1835
01:54:58.560 --> 01:55:02.000
He would just came in from Cambodia as a kid,

1836
01:55:03.319 --> 01:55:07.880
and his family was fishing in California and they were

1837
01:55:07.920 --> 01:55:10.119
out in the middle of the wood somewhere and he

1838
01:55:10.479 --> 01:55:13.279
was bored and he's walking around, and he said, he's

1839
01:55:13.319 --> 01:55:15.199
walking down this dirt road and all of a sudden,

1840
01:55:15.199 --> 01:55:18.520
he sees what he thought was a dog carcass laying

1841
01:55:18.600 --> 01:55:21.319
on the side. He said, a very hairy dog laying

1842
01:55:21.359 --> 01:55:25.039
there on the side of the road, and so he

1843
01:55:25.159 --> 01:55:27.479
just picks up a rock and he tosses it and

1844
01:55:27.479 --> 01:55:29.960
he hits it. He says, all of a sudden, it

1845
01:55:30.079 --> 01:55:33.960
stood up and walked up the hill. And now he

1846
01:55:34.279 --> 01:55:37.479
never even knew something like that exists. He'd only been

1847
01:55:37.520 --> 01:55:41.399
in America like six months, and he's watching this thing

1848
01:55:41.520 --> 01:55:45.439
walk away. And he said, what really surprised him was

1849
01:55:45.439 --> 01:55:48.800
when it walked up the hill, it walked as if

1850
01:55:48.800 --> 01:55:52.000
it was walking on level ground. He said, you know

1851
01:55:52.000 --> 01:55:54.840
how human beings, when you struggle up this hill, you

1852
01:55:54.920 --> 01:55:57.840
have like careful lift up your feet. One on it,

1853
01:55:57.960 --> 01:56:03.880
he said, it just seemed to completely ignore gravity and

1854
01:56:03.960 --> 01:56:05.880
just walk up the hill as if it was nothing.

1855
01:56:06.600 --> 01:56:09.000
And he said later on he goes back to his

1856
01:56:09.159 --> 01:56:13.720
family who are fishing there, and they're packing up all

1857
01:56:13.760 --> 01:56:16.760
of their stuff and they're getting out of there because

1858
01:56:16.800 --> 01:56:20.800
they said some demon was throwing rocks at them, and

1859
01:56:20.840 --> 01:56:23.359
they decided that they had to go away, and they

1860
01:56:23.399 --> 01:56:27.640
went to a local Buddhist priest and had him bless

1861
01:56:27.680 --> 01:56:30.159
them because they were afraid that a demon was messing

1862
01:56:30.199 --> 01:56:36.479
with him. So I thought, that's just an interesting cultural

1863
01:56:36.520 --> 01:56:40.119
and doctrination that they had are to our Bigfoot. It's

1864
01:56:40.199 --> 01:56:45.439
just astounding what capabilities these things have, and I just

1865
01:56:45.479 --> 01:56:47.960
think that when you have to deal with them, do

1866
01:56:48.039 --> 01:56:50.359
not think that you have the advantage because you have

1867
01:56:50.399 --> 01:56:54.760
a firearm. You are on their terms, okay, And that's

1868
01:56:54.800 --> 01:56:57.760
just a cautionary tale. They are capable of doing anything

1869
01:56:57.800 --> 01:57:00.760
they want to do and see to be able to

1870
01:57:01.079 --> 01:57:03.760
be in complete control of the environment. So I guess

1871
01:57:04.039 --> 01:57:06.800
the big reason why I take away of this is

1872
01:57:06.840 --> 01:57:09.800
that for those of that are listening to these Bigfoot

1873
01:57:09.800 --> 01:57:13.000
stories and thinking that they're dealing with some kind of

1874
01:57:13.960 --> 01:57:18.439
ape man or whatever. No, you're dealing with something on

1875
01:57:18.479 --> 01:57:22.479
a level that's so different from us what its capabilities are.

1876
01:57:23.039 --> 01:57:25.840
And you hear these stories about them being with UFOs

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and all that, and I couldn't substantiate that, but willing

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to accept that there's something going on beyond what we

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are capable of. The question I have to ask myself

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is why me? What is it? And my pastor because

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they selected us my son, they seem to like him,

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although I'm not sure he quite is the same, has

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the same level of response. He's very skeptical by the way.

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He's a biology teacher, likes to always apply science whenever possible,

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and doesn't like all that metaphysical stuff. But nonetheless, even

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he shakes his head and says, look, I just can't

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explain this. So I'm going to say, and I don't know.

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I would like to bring more people into it, because

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I don't just want to do this by myself, and

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I would love to have other people witness it. But

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like I said, sometimes people show up there and they're

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not And the other problem I have, the risk is

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that they are going to start dragging their friends over there,

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and pretty soon these guys will abandon that area because

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they just realize that they've been compromised.

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Yeah, it's a tricky thing because you want to find

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that middle ground of having someone help you out there,

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but also almost limiting how many people get to the spot.

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I don't know, it's a tricky road to walk.

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Yeah. Yeah, but I just appreciate the life lessons that

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I've gotten from them. I will say that the one

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thing they don't have is tool making ability that frontal

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low Berry, that where we get all of our tool

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capabilities from. They don't seem to have any desire in

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that whatsoever. They of course, what do they need. They

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01:59:14.279 --> 01:59:16.600
don't need clothing, They have plenty of strength to deal

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with whatever they're dealing with, and they have apparently a

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fantastic array of senses beyond what we can do. For

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all I know, I get the impression they can see

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in for red.

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Oh, definitely, that's I would say that's probably one hundred

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percent yes on that from what I've heard so far.

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Yeah, the fact that they're able to pretty much stay

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away from trail tams gives me that impression that they

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have at ability. I don't know what we're dealing with.

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I would love to be able to get more information,

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and I'll be out there next year trying to find

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them again.

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I would say, definitely keep us up to date with

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if things continue to happen in the future, when you're

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able to go out to that area. We would love

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to hear things continue to happen there for sure.

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Sure we'll give it an invite if you're ever out

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washing and I'm me out see what I can do.

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I appreciate that, Scott, and thank you so much for

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coming on to chat today and appreciate your time, and

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we will definitely be in touch.

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All right, thank you very much.

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You're at Bigfoot Society. Our goal is to provide a

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And I know a lot of you have not shared

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your encounter at all. It's been twenty years and it's

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Subtle Lake, Mackenzie River Area, Sweet Home Area, the area

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west of Creater Lake, east of two thirty West Diamond

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