Sept. 26, 2024

The Dewey Lake Monster Returns with Shayn Jones

Join us as we interview Shayn Jones, host of the 'Inquiries of Our Reality' and 'Bizarre Encounters with Shane and Orin' podcasts. In this episode, Shane dives deep into his personal journey with cryptids and paranormal phenomena, including his...

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Season 1

Join us as we interview Shayn Jones, host of the 'Inquiries of Our Reality' and 'Bizarre Encounters with Shane and Orin' podcasts. In this episode, Shane dives deep into his personal journey with cryptids and paranormal phenomena, including his Cherokee heritage, Sasquatch encounters, and his chilling experiences with astral projection. Shane shares first-hand accounts from his investigations and discusses the mysterious 'Death Walls,' government involvement in cryptid cover-ups, and pale crawler sightings. Don't miss out on these intriguing stories that will captivate any Bigfoot enthusiast!

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Big for Society.

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I've got the privilege of talking to mister Shane Jones today.

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You may notice he is here in his awesome studio

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and he's from the podcast Inquiries of Our Reality and

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Bizarre Encounters with Shane and orin you may notice him

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as well. I believe he is mentioned on the Phantoms

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and Monsters as well. But Shane, it's great to have

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you here today.

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Absolute pleasure to be on the show man. Actually, we've

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had a couple of different bouncing around type of scenarios

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where we saw each other at multi Monster Fest and

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we just never came around to anything. So hey man,

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it's been a couple of years, but it's nice that

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we're finally able to make this work and we're finnellly

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able to have a one on one conversation.

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Oh absolutely, you bet you're one of the names on

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the list.

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I'm like, oh man, I.

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Gotta get Shane on. And I saw you last year

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in Canton. I was like, yeah, no, it was this year.

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A lot has happened this year, Shane. Tell me, let's

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start here. So tell me how you got into all

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this craziness that you've got going on with your your

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shows and phantoms and monsters and all that good stuff.

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I mean, it's kind of somewhat of a long story,

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and I mean, just like most people that kind of

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dive into all this kind of stuff. I mean, I've

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had my share of my own experiences, not too many

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Sasquatch ones, but I'm sure at some point we'll end

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up coming back around. I end up sharing them today.

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But having a lot of paranormal experiences, astro projection experience

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and stuff when I was growing up, but on the

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other side, of course, digging into more of the Sasquatch side.

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My grandma was one hundred percent Cherokee, so I grew

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up with there telling me different stories about Sasquatch, of course,

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using different names and everything, but that was one thing

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that started to spark my interest in the Sasquatch. So

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it's kind of been this thing that's kind of lingered

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around my whole life that you know, I was into aliens,

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I was in the Sasquatch, cryptids, I was into the

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paranormal and everything, having my own weird experiences and everything,

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and then, you know, one day, listening to podcasts and stuff,

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decided that I feel like there wasn't a lot of

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people that would have asked the same questions that I

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would have asked. So that's when I kind of started

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getting the idea that I wanted to start up my

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own show. So what I ended up starting on my

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show about was just basically having these open conversations with people,

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diving into cryptid encounters, people's different research and investigating into

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the cryptids and UFOs, aliens, spirituality, anything open minded fringe,

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and from there, of course, it kind of started to

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find my path that started leaving me started leading me

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more down in the cryptids is a path more so

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than anything, because that seemed to be the one that

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sparked my interests the most, sasquatch being of course my

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absolute favorite, but I dive into all the different cryptids

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and everything. So from there, of course, kind of diving

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into the cryptids and everything, I ended up starting up

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my other show, which is Bizarre Encounters, and that one,

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of course started off like a lot of the really

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great podcasts out there, where the intention was to bring

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in a bunch of encounter reports and that people talk

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about their experiences and everything. But as that one started

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going on, my original co host ended up leaving the

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show just because he was focusing on his own podcast

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and everything at the time, and it was a side project.

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we had this really awesome back and forth where we

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kind of get unhinged, joke about stuff, but you know,

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kind of get to the roots of research, throw our

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own ideas and theories and everything at it. So when

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he first started off, started more as that encounter interview

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type show and still kind of keeping along the same themes.

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He was always a researcher. I was always a researcher,

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so we'd like diving into our own research and throwing

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our own ideas and everything. So we ended up started

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starting to push that show more towards mainly US deep

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diving into different topics bizarre encounters that people have had

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pertaining to you know, cryptids, UFOs, aliens, parent all that

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kind of stuff. And that's kind of just honestly let

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me down the way with my podcast and everything that

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I've been doing. And we started doing presentations and stuff

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at different events and everything, and along that path somewhere

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I ended up tangling with lown strict liffent phantoms and monsters.

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So I ended up becoming the cryptid and paranormal investigator

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for Michigan and Indiana and or my coast for Bizarre

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Encounters is the one for North Carolina for cryptid and

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a paranormal investigators. So it's been a fun path and

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there's no end in sight as far as I can see.

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So I'm having fun with it and taking in weird

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experiences and you know, diving into the strange and the

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bizarre every day. Because I mean, if you don't have

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to start a podcast and you're not having these conversations

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on podcasts. There's not enough people in your normal life

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to have these conversations with.

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Oh absolutely, yeah, that's a that's a great way to

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look at that. So you are, are you based out

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of Michigan or Indiana?

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Then I'm in Michigan. I'm kind of in the Detroit area.

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So right now I'm kind of in this weird spot

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where it's like, if I go north, there's a lot

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of cool stuff to look at. I go south, there's

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a lot of cool stuff to look at. But Detroit

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self very city based, so unfortunately we don't get a

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lot of sasquatch reports or crypti reports. There's a lot

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of paranormal stuff, but not enough ma area that I'd

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like to dive into. So half the time when I

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go squatch and I'm taking up a couple hours of

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the north, a couple of hours to the west, not

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too much to actually do in the Detroit area. I mean,

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there's some sightings a little bit north, but I feel

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like there's just too much city and not enough room

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for a squatch to roam over here. Yeah.

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The only the only one I've ever heard is when

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I talked to violent Jay from ICP. But that's that's

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a different episode. He added a Sasquatch encounter back in

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the day in Detroit. But anyways, so you have a

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Cherokee background, which I find fascinating. I've talked to a

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few people witnesses that have had Cherokee that have a

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Cherokee heritage, and they have some really interesting things that

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have happened to them over the years. So did you

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grow up with talking to any grandparents or relatives about

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your heritage?

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Or My grandma, more so than anything, She's take me

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to pow wows and stuff like that when I was

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really young, but I don't remember too much of those.

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But I do remember a lot of the stories that

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she would tell me, And the main one that she'd

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always end up telling me all the time was this

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whole idea about Sasquatch and the native tribes used to

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live one on one with each other. They used to trade,

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they used to have communication back and forth. And she

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basically told me that when the white settlers and everything came,

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they pretty much gave him this proposition and said, if

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you guys start trading with them, then you guys aren't

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gonna have contact with us. Anymore, and obviously they ended

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up wanting to trade with the white settlers and everything,

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so then that's when the communication kind of broke off

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and they started becoming this elusive thing, like different variations

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of that, of course, but that was always the main

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story that I heard from my grandma, more so than anything,

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of course, with the random little side stories about you know,

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women getting pulled off or taken off by them after

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all that went down and everything, and there's just all

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this like little weird, little background details she'd throw in,

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but the majority of it was usually pertaining back to

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this event of the white settlers coming and then having

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that breakof and fortunately they went missing for years. They

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didn't hear too much from them, and then all of

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a sudden they started popping back up. And I know

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that at least her grandma had some type of experience.

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I don't remember too much about it. I just remember

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her having some sighting when she was a little girl

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where she was on by the river or something like that,

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and she ended up seeing this giant, hairy man over

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on the other side. But I don't remember exactly what

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time period that was. If it was my grandma's grandma,

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I'm assuming it had to have been like early nineteen hundreds,

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and that family is from down in Georgia, so that

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had to have been somewhere down in the Georgia area.

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I know that she was part of the Red Glay tribe,

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so I don't I think that's more of the mid

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eastern side of the state, So it had to have

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been somewhere over there in the Georgia area at least

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for that encounter sightings.

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That's extremely interesting. What a cool childhood that would have

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been to have access to growing up in an atmosphere

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of stories like that, for sure. Did hearing those and

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living through those those stories as part of your upbringing,

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did that affect how you view sasquatch now or is

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that view something you've just kind of put together as

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you've gotten older.

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Honestly, it was one of those things that it sparked

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my interest in it, just kind of believing that there

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was other things that were out there that weren't exactly

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as mainstream signs would tell you that they are. Unfortunately,

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she ended up passing away when I was in seventh grade,

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so she was already gone before I really started getting

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super heavy into this kind of stuff. Up until then.

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I mean, honestly, I was. I died into aliens more

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so than anything. But I always took in all of

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these different side stories and everything like that that you

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would always tell me. So it definitely laid the groundworks

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at getting where I am now with it. But it

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was one of those things that I kind of set

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it down for a while and became one of those

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people that were religiously watched, like the NASSA cameras and everything,

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and it was just heavy into the alien stuff. But

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when I started coming back around, of course, you know,

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these stories started coming back up in my mind, remembering

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all this stuff that you would tell me when I

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was a kid, and it could kind of took on

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its own light from there. Of course, like I don't

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necessarily know which camp to fit in the Sasquatch because

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there's just so many different experiences and such a vast

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variety of experiences that I wouldn't be able to gamble

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and say that I think it's specifically this, this or this.

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But honestly, I take in every single theory. I take

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in every single idea, but at least from the stuff

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my grandma was telling me, I feel like there is

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definitely more of an intelligence factor to these things, where

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I don't think that they're just this animalistic type being

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that just chases through the woods just destroy things. And

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I think that there's like a motive behind that, Like

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when people have these aggressive encounters, they're trying to push

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them out of an area, they're trying to keep them

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away from maybe they're young, something like that, but I

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think that's usually that's that's more so than anything. Probably

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what my grandma telling me all these experiences and stories

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growing up with is that I have this hankering the

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back of my mind that they're not necessarily this like

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big scary creature that everybody makes them out to be.

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Of course, you know, you have to kind of take

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that with a grain of salt, because you could go

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into the woods and you know, have all of these

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things to carry you off in a you know, sleeping bag.

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You know, like we've fard a couple different experiences of

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that happening. But I don't know, there's just something in

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me that tells you these things aren't necessarily as primal

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as most people believe they are, that it's kind of

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just something that they put on in order to keep

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humans away from them. Because I don't know, I feel

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like the intelligence factor is there that they're equal to us.

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Maybe not necessarily like way smarter than us, but I

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think that they're at least equal to us and intelligence

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up to the point at least where they kind of

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have their own tribes whatever you want to call them,

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hordes whatever. Usually people you refer tom as tribes, but

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I think they have like their own groups that they

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stay in and they specifically try to just avoid humans

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at all costs because they know what kind of death

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and destruction humans can bring, especially after again those stories

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my grammar told me simably read. After that was when

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the white settlers started bringing like rifles and all that,

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and that's when people actually start shooting at these stas quats,

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because an arrow is one thing, but when you actually

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have an actual gun, I feel like that's when you

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want to become elusive from these humans, because that's when

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the hunting party start to come, and that's when they

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start you're just trying to take these things down for

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a trophy. And I mean diving into old diaries, how

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many times you heard about these men trying to chase

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down this giant creature just for trophy or game. I

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mean there was was it Roosevelt. Roosevelt actually had exactly

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at some point that he wrote about. So, I mean

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it's kind of trickled in there. It's just they're not

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referred to as sasquatch. This stuff's hard to find. But

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so somebody finds something. Man, it gets thrown around the community,

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so everybody becomes aware of it pretty quick.

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It's it's pretty wild.

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And I will definitely agree with you that the I

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think personally the intelligence at least matches ours. I will

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probably go a step further to say probably a little

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probably more just as like some I would say at

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least ours.

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Though, Man, there's some wild stuff.

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I mean we both talked to Ronnie Roseman, right, and so,

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oh man, that dude has encountered some wild stuff. And

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I mean, my listeners, if you enjoy all of the

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interviews that I've done with Ronnie Roseman, Shane has also

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been privileged enough to interview him. It was was it

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on increase that you.

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Yeah, it was back on inquiries probably like at least

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four or five months ago. I'd say I'd have to

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look back and figure out the exact episode number, but yeah,

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we ended up spent two hours telling me all about

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his crazy experiences and we went beyond Sasquatch.

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Actually, I bet you probably got into Did you get

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into some of his alien and UFO?

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Yep, because he said that that's one of those things.

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He doesn't know if every single show wants to get

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into it. But as soon as he started bringing up

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alien experiences, I'm like, whay am on me, man, I

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want to hear him.

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That's awesome, So I'll I will definitely make sure I

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have the link for that in the show notes so

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my listeners can check that one out as well, because

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I'm sure they would.

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They would love that.

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Have you yourself personally been able to go out and

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experience anything related to Sasquatch or maybe something semi related So.

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Me myself, I haven't actually had any first I haven't

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actually had eyes on any of these things. Unfortunately, still

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trying to hopefully I have that experience one day. But

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you know, some people go their entire lives never getting it,

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or they only get it once. But if you're not

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out there and try and then I guess you're never

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gonna have the opportunity to try to do it. But

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the first time I ended up going squatching. We ended

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up going to this I think it was state Land actually,

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and we ended up renting out of cabin for the night,

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and we ended up being it was me and one

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other person, and we ended up being the first people there,

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and everybody else was gonna up coming the next morning,

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so we decided to do a squatschhike in the middle

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of the night, and at least from my experience, I

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feel like those seemed to me the best time to

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actually possibly actually come across something. Of course, you have

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those accidental encounters during the day, but it seems like

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these things are more active moving around at night. But

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I don't necessarily think they're nexturnal. I kind of think

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they do this balance back and forth thing where they

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kind of just lay load during the day and then

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they do their active hunting and everything else they're trying

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to do during the night. But at least this time,

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we ended up just kind of going for a walk

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through the woods a couple miles out. There wasn't anybody around,

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so it's not like anybody else was just trampling around

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the woods or anything like that. It was just us

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miles and miles of woods, and we ended up going

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for a walk down by this creek, and that's always,

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of course one of the first places you want to check,

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just because the mud soft and you never know which

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might end up actually end up potting there. So we

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ended up going down by there and didn't up finding

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anything there, but we ended up leaving tracks of course

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where we ended up walking across, so we ended up

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going on this full hike. We end up going up

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and around this little valley that dipped down, and we

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did a couple of wood knocks, we did some whooping

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and everything, and didn't end up having any results or anything,

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but we ended up taking the same bath. As we

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came back. We kind of looped and then came back

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down across the river and we came back across that

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creek river there was our footprints, but going across one

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of our footprints, there was a giant barefoot footprint that

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was going sideways across it, and it walked into the creek,

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and then once it walked into the creek, it kind

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of went to the center where it was a little

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bit of a heavier float, and then they kind of

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just disappeared into the rocks and everything from there. But

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it was just one of those weird things that there's

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not anybody that's just running around the woods at three

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o'clock at night barefoot with feet that are bigger than

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our boots. And I've heard of this from a few

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different people about this. It almost seems like they do

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this kind of stuff intentionally. That I talked to Rick

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Fromino Squatch and he'd mentioned that he had an experience

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like this before where they had no results, didn't find anything,

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but on their way back they ended up finding their

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footprints again and found a foot drive footprint across their footprints,

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And at least from the show that I did with

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Rick a while ago, we kind of came to this

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conclusion that we're looking into it, and apparently it's somewhat

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of a military tactic that when you're following behind somebody,

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what you'll do to try to throw them off is

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you'll leave like one little piece of evidence that doesn't

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necessarily lead back to you directly, but they'll throw them

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off or they'll become paranoid and they'll start like slipping

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and looking around too much, and then they'll make themselves obvious.

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So we kind of assume that it may have been

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something like this, which kind of brings in more of

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the intelligence factor to sasquatch because for being this primal being,

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it seems like they have these weird like war tactics

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that they seem to kind of use, Like you hear

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about like the death walls or people have different names

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for them, but they'll make those barricaded walls where they'll

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kind of corral deer into this specific area where they'll

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have somebody over at the end of the wall, or

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they end up making this like loop that there's one

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way in and they'll try to chase them into that.

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And I don't know, it just seems like they have

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all of these like weird, little like war techniques that

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they seem to use, and I don't know, maybe it's

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something that is inherently something that apes will eventually learn,

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because it seems like, you know, even when you go

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into humans as apes or you look into apes themselves,

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they seem like they end up waring amongst each other,

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like it's just something natural within primates. So I mean, obviously,

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at a certain point, stuff like this almost starts to

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become common sense after you've been dealing with this kind

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of stuff enough. But I don't know, just just a

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weird experience that I haven't quite been able to explain

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other than possibly either one it was complete accident, which

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it doesn't seem like Sasquatches make those complete accents very often,

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or two it was something intentionally placed to say, we're

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out here, but you're not gonna find us, So how

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would you just stay home and stop trying to look

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for us? That's kind of the impression that I almost

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got from that one.

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At least how approximately long were those tracks that were

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over your footprints?

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I believe that they were about fourteen and a half inches.

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Man, Wow, in there you could see toes Yep.

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When we came back, there was a couple other like

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half steps that we weren't exactly sure if those were steps.

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There was that one definite step that went across our footprint,

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and that was the one that we wanted to make

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sure we got pictures of. But everybody talks about casting,

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this one was in the water itself. So it's one

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of those ones that's just an awesome fine, but you're

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not able to cast it because it's literally inside in

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the water, right on the bank you'd mentioned.

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Did you call them death walls?

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Yeah, that's the term that I've heard before. I've heard

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a bunch of different people use different terms for these things,

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but the two ways that I've heard him explained, I

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haven't actually seen one of these things myself. I've just

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kind of about him here and there. But I feel

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like usually when people refer to them as the death walls,

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it seems like people will explain this like wall that

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they'll create with a bunch of broken trees, a bunch

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of broken branches and everything, and they'll be like a

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straight wall, and there'll be one that's supposed to be

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at the end because they usually find like bones and

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stuff at the end, and they'll have another one that

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comes in and kind of chases them along that wall.

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And then the other one that I've heard about is

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the one where they almost form. It's basically built the

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same way, but it's more of like a corral where

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they'll have one that sits on the inside, and they'll

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have other ones that will kind of trick a deer

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into running into this corral area where they're able to

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catch them. But I've only heard the term death wall

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heard like once or twice, and every single time I

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say that, people are like, I don't know what that is,

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But I don't know if it was actually a term

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that's actually been something used in the Sasquatch community, or

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if it was just somebody who had an encounter trying

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to describe what it was. But that was one of

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those terms that just kind of weirdly stuck with me,

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even though it doesn't seem to be something that flows

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around the community so much.

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It's really intriguing. I've never really heard of it before.

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But maybe listeners can put in the comments where they've

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heard it, and I'm sure someone out there will will

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know maybe where Shane heard that, because that's very very

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interesting to me. There's something I wanted to ask you,

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and this is kind of putting you on the spot,

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but you'd mentioned that you were involved with Michigan and

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Indiana for phantoms and monsters, right specifically with sasquatch.

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Yeah, oh well, cryptids and paranormal as a whole.

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Okay, have you gotten have you ever seen any reports

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come in from regarding sasquatch down from southern Indiana specifically

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like Turkey Run State Park, or just like Southern Indiana

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in general.

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I've actually gotten a lot of paranormal stuff down there.

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I haven't really had too many sasquatch reports pushed my way.

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It's one of those things where if there's something a

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lawn is interested in having investigated, he like kind of

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sends it to you directly. The rest of the stuff

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kind of just gets posted up the page. So of

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course I like dive through the page and read through

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the page. But as far as investigations go, they're kind

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of more hand selected, and it seems like the ones

459
00:20:08.319 --> 00:20:10.359
that I get more often than that or paranormal ones,

460
00:20:10.359 --> 00:20:13.400
because usually it's people that are a little bit more

461
00:20:13.400 --> 00:20:15.359
in distress where they kind of wanted me to come

462
00:20:15.400 --> 00:20:17.720
out and be able to check it out. But honestly,

463
00:20:17.720 --> 00:20:20.799
I've only gotten one don in Indiana from Lan that

464
00:20:20.839 --> 00:20:23.759
he actually wanted me to investigate myself. Other than that,

465
00:20:23.799 --> 00:20:26.200
of course, diving into like sasquatch and stuff, I've mainly

466
00:20:26.240 --> 00:20:28.279
done stuff up in Michigan, more so on the other

467
00:20:28.319 --> 00:20:30.119
side of the state, more so where like the Dewey

468
00:20:30.200 --> 00:20:33.599
Lake might sightings were originally at That was actually one

469
00:20:33.640 --> 00:20:35.720
of the other experiences I had was a couple of

470
00:20:35.720 --> 00:20:38.119
miles from where the Dewey Lake monster sighting was, And

471
00:20:38.119 --> 00:20:39.799
that's another one that we get into. If you want

472
00:20:39.839 --> 00:20:42.559
to at some point here. Absolutely, so that one that

473
00:20:42.640 --> 00:20:44.400
was actually my more recent one, and I think I've

474
00:20:44.440 --> 00:20:46.759
only told this on my show, and it only came

475
00:20:46.839 --> 00:20:49.160
up because Brian king was talking about Brian king Sharp

476
00:20:49.240 --> 00:20:52.599
was talking about, you know, actually telling your encounters, and

477
00:20:52.680 --> 00:20:54.119
it was one of those things that it's like, if

478
00:20:54.119 --> 00:20:55.960
you're the sasquatch guy, you're the guy that talks about

479
00:20:56.000 --> 00:20:57.799
this kind of stuff, you don't always want to share

480
00:20:57.839 --> 00:20:59.519
your encounters, even though you tell other people to share

481
00:20:59.559 --> 00:21:01.440
your encounter, because you don't want people to be like, oh,

482
00:21:01.640 --> 00:21:03.319
of course the sasquatch guy is the guy who had

483
00:21:03.359 --> 00:21:05.799
some type of weird experience or assumes that it's sasquatch

484
00:21:05.880 --> 00:21:09.359
or something. But this was one, like I said, relatively recent.

485
00:21:09.359 --> 00:21:10.960
I didn't get to see anything, but it was just

486
00:21:11.039 --> 00:21:13.799
kind of a weird accumulation of different things happening that

487
00:21:13.880 --> 00:21:15.319
kind of made me feel like there may have been

488
00:21:15.319 --> 00:21:18.039
something to it. But essentially what happened here was that

489
00:21:18.599 --> 00:21:19.920
I have a friend that lives on the other side

490
00:21:19.920 --> 00:21:21.920
of the state. He's involved in a couple of churches

491
00:21:21.960 --> 00:21:24.119
and stuff over there. Riley actually shout out to him.

492
00:21:24.119 --> 00:21:27.559
He runs another podcast called The Midwest Mythos, and he

493
00:21:27.720 --> 00:21:31.480
had a friend who just recently bought this church property

494
00:21:31.960 --> 00:21:34.799
and they were having sightings on this property. They were

495
00:21:34.839 --> 00:21:37.160
having rockstone at him when they're taking out garbage and stuff,

496
00:21:37.200 --> 00:21:39.039
just like this weird little side stuff. And it was

497
00:21:39.079 --> 00:21:41.319
mainly just the guy who was running the place and

498
00:21:41.319 --> 00:21:43.720
then his son, and so he said he wanted to

499
00:21:43.759 --> 00:21:45.839
have somebody to come out there and investigate. So I

500
00:21:45.920 --> 00:21:48.240
ended up actually getting to meet this guy firsthand at

501
00:21:48.400 --> 00:21:51.240
Riley's wedding party actually, and I ended up setting up

502
00:21:51.240 --> 00:21:53.200
a squatch hike and everything out at this church property.

503
00:21:53.680 --> 00:21:55.559
And the cool part about the property is that it's

504
00:21:55.599 --> 00:21:58.160
all private land, so nobody's on it, nobody's walking around.

505
00:21:58.160 --> 00:22:00.559
It was just us that were part of this watch group.

506
00:22:00.599 --> 00:22:02.319
And then there was a bed and breakfast that they

507
00:22:02.319 --> 00:22:03.960
have on the church property that they try to make

508
00:22:03.960 --> 00:22:06.000
a little bit extra money off of. But there's a

509
00:22:06.039 --> 00:22:07.640
couple of people there. They're all kind of hanging out

510
00:22:07.640 --> 00:22:09.640
around the bonfire. They weren't going for watch or nothing

511
00:22:09.680 --> 00:22:12.640
like that, so they weren't out doing nothing crazy. So

512
00:22:13.759 --> 00:22:16.119
we ended up doing the first hike where we had

513
00:22:16.160 --> 00:22:17.880
like the bigger group of people, where we had like

514
00:22:17.920 --> 00:22:20.359
the people that seriously believe in sasquatch, and then the

515
00:22:20.359 --> 00:22:21.880
other group that's just kind of like, oh, you know,

516
00:22:21.920 --> 00:22:23.400
I kind of want to see a sasquatch. Just go

517
00:22:23.440 --> 00:22:25.000
for a walk in the middle of the woods at night.

518
00:22:25.200 --> 00:22:26.759
If not all the skills, we had a walk in

519
00:22:26.759 --> 00:22:29.559
middle the woods at night. So as we started walking,

520
00:22:30.319 --> 00:22:32.119
you know how those two groups end up splitting. It's

521
00:22:32.160 --> 00:22:33.519
like the ones that are just kind of hanging out

522
00:22:33.519 --> 00:22:35.440
and stuff, they'll kind of end up way farther up

523
00:22:35.480 --> 00:22:37.039
in the front than the ones that are actually trying

524
00:22:37.039 --> 00:22:38.920
to research and investigate what kind of end up staying

525
00:22:38.920 --> 00:22:41.720
towards the back. And the first time we walked around,

526
00:22:41.839 --> 00:22:44.640
not too much happening. We passed across these couple of

527
00:22:44.640 --> 00:22:46.839
deer blinds and everything. Didn't notice any weird smells in

528
00:22:46.839 --> 00:22:49.720
any or anything, which is why I'm telling this story.

529
00:22:49.759 --> 00:22:52.119
For the first part of it. Back to the campsite

530
00:22:52.359 --> 00:22:55.440
ended up breaking off from the groups, and the group

531
00:22:55.480 --> 00:22:57.759
that was actually serious about squatching. It was like three

532
00:22:57.839 --> 00:22:59.519
or four of us we decided to go out for

533
00:22:59.519 --> 00:23:01.960
a second, and everybody else was gonna an upstaying back

534
00:23:02.240 --> 00:23:06.839
at the church actually, and the guy who actually runs

535
00:23:06.880 --> 00:23:08.240
the property, the one I was mentioning, I want to

536
00:23:08.279 --> 00:23:10.039
come out here and investigate. The first time we went

537
00:23:10.079 --> 00:23:11.799
on the hike, I didn't end up actually being able

538
00:23:11.839 --> 00:23:13.599
to capture anything, but I had my GoPro running the

539
00:23:13.599 --> 00:23:15.640
whole time. But there was this a thick area of

540
00:23:15.680 --> 00:23:18.519
shrub and he said that he saw something big move

541
00:23:18.559 --> 00:23:21.519
inside of there, and I was actually looking directly at

542
00:23:21.519 --> 00:23:23.319
it when I had my camera on my head, but

543
00:23:23.759 --> 00:23:26.559
because of just it being dark and like the led

544
00:23:26.680 --> 00:23:28.640
light only catching so far, I wasn't able to actually

545
00:23:28.640 --> 00:23:30.599
catch far enough that I would catch where this thing

546
00:23:30.680 --> 00:23:32.799
was at. But we ended up diving down into there

547
00:23:33.000 --> 00:23:34.720
and kind of looking around to see if there's any

548
00:23:34.759 --> 00:23:37.680
footprints or anything like that, and there wasn't anything anywhere

549
00:23:37.720 --> 00:23:40.720
that this thing could go, and at the time, there

550
00:23:40.759 --> 00:23:42.480
wasn't like a bunch of flashlights or anything on it.

551
00:23:42.519 --> 00:23:44.599
So it's not like it was shade or anything like

552
00:23:44.680 --> 00:23:46.559
he actually saw something back there, because he wasn't the

553
00:23:46.599 --> 00:23:48.359
type of guy who's just gonna start yelling out stuff

554
00:23:48.359 --> 00:23:50.359
if he doesn't see anything, because you know, he lives

555
00:23:50.400 --> 00:23:52.880
on this property. He's not trying to make it scarier

556
00:23:52.920 --> 00:23:54.720
than it needs to be because he wants to live here.

557
00:23:54.720 --> 00:23:56.119
And that's the whole reason why I wanted this place

558
00:23:56.119 --> 00:23:58.359
to investigate in the first place. So he ended up

559
00:23:58.359 --> 00:24:00.480
staying back. We ended up going the second time where

560
00:24:00.480 --> 00:24:02.880
it was just Riley me, my daughter went with me,

561
00:24:02.920 --> 00:24:04.799
and I think we had one other guy with us,

562
00:24:04.960 --> 00:24:08.480
and we went around for the second time. We got

563
00:24:08.519 --> 00:24:10.160
back up to one of the areas where there was

564
00:24:10.200 --> 00:24:12.400
one of the tree stands, and we got over to

565
00:24:12.440 --> 00:24:17.039
that area, I started smelling this really thick, musty, swampy,

566
00:24:17.359 --> 00:24:19.720
kind of dirty smell, and I ended up smelling it

567
00:24:19.799 --> 00:24:21.079
the first time, and it was one of those things

568
00:24:21.119 --> 00:24:22.599
where it kind of like hit you like a wall

569
00:24:22.680 --> 00:24:24.880
for like a fifty foot area where it was like

570
00:24:24.920 --> 00:24:26.680
you walked into it and then you could walk out

571
00:24:26.720 --> 00:24:29.000
of it. But it wasn't there the first time. I

572
00:24:29.000 --> 00:24:31.680
didn't notice it anywhere else, and it was just the

573
00:24:31.720 --> 00:24:34.240
first thing that kind of leaded up, led up towards something.

574
00:24:34.279 --> 00:24:37.960
Then I started smelling this just weird off non it

575
00:24:38.000 --> 00:24:40.359
smelled swampy, but it didn't smell like how the swamp

576
00:24:40.359 --> 00:24:43.160
normally smelled. It was something extra like it was just

577
00:24:43.160 --> 00:24:47.599
this like dirty, thick smell. So after that I started

578
00:24:47.640 --> 00:24:49.799
kind of just paying a little bit more attention, And

579
00:24:49.880 --> 00:24:51.759
as we're walking down the path a little bit more

580
00:24:51.880 --> 00:24:53.880
over to the one side of us, it's all just

581
00:24:53.920 --> 00:24:55.759
thick swamp, like if you're gonna go off that way,

582
00:24:55.759 --> 00:24:57.240
you would have ended up being like up to your

583
00:24:57.240 --> 00:24:59.839
waist and mud and swamp water and everything. So it's

584
00:24:59.880 --> 00:25:02.200
not like anybody was out there by by any means.

585
00:25:02.839 --> 00:25:04.799
So as we're walking, I started hearing a bunch of

586
00:25:04.799 --> 00:25:07.480
splashing over there, So we start stopping. You know, I'm

587
00:25:07.480 --> 00:25:08.839
just kind of listening because I want to make sure

588
00:25:08.839 --> 00:25:10.960
it's not ducks or something in the water or frogs

589
00:25:11.039 --> 00:25:13.440
or whatever. So we we're doing this thing where we're

590
00:25:13.480 --> 00:25:15.160
like walking and then we stop, and then we walk,

591
00:25:15.240 --> 00:25:17.039
and then we stop as they start trying to hear something,

592
00:25:17.680 --> 00:25:19.599
and we're just hearing that splashing for a little bit.

593
00:25:19.640 --> 00:25:22.079
But then the last time we stopped, I started hearing

594
00:25:22.119 --> 00:25:24.279
something that was off. Sounded like it was almost like

595
00:25:24.279 --> 00:25:26.079
in the middle of the swamp that sounded like it

596
00:25:26.119 --> 00:25:31.559
was doing this really faint like kind of sounds, but

597
00:25:31.640 --> 00:25:34.839
it wasn't. It sounded like it was like it was

598
00:25:34.880 --> 00:25:37.079
something bigger, but it sounded like it was intentionally trying

599
00:25:37.119 --> 00:25:39.680
to do it a little bit quiet and I wasn't

600
00:25:39.680 --> 00:25:41.160
the only one up hearing it. I don't know if

601
00:25:41.200 --> 00:25:42.839
I actually ended up catching it on my go pro

602
00:25:42.880 --> 00:25:44.759
camera or not, because I just had like this little

603
00:25:44.799 --> 00:25:46.680
clip on extra audio things, so I don't know if

604
00:25:46.720 --> 00:25:48.160
it would have picked up that's in the distance. I

605
00:25:48.160 --> 00:25:49.920
still gonna end up digging back through that footage at

606
00:25:49.920 --> 00:25:52.279
some point, but like I said, nothing super crazy. We

607
00:25:52.279 --> 00:25:54.400
could end up seeing anything. But it was just that

608
00:25:54.440 --> 00:25:57.319
weird thick smell that wasn't supposed to be there that

609
00:25:57.480 --> 00:26:00.680
just randomly dissipated, and then the splashing, and then there's

610
00:26:00.759 --> 00:26:03.519
this little slight that we're starting to hear off in

611
00:26:03.559 --> 00:26:06.319
the background, and we ended up trailing back. We ended

612
00:26:06.400 --> 00:26:09.160
up hearing anything else that whole time. And unfortunately, like

613
00:26:09.200 --> 00:26:10.400
I said, it was in the middle of the swamps.

614
00:26:10.440 --> 00:26:11.799
I wasn't able to really get over there to look

615
00:26:11.839 --> 00:26:14.240
for footprints. I tried to push as far as I could,

616
00:26:14.240 --> 00:26:16.400
but it starts getting really really thick. Because it's all

617
00:26:16.519 --> 00:26:19.319
private property, all swamp. It's not like anybody's like maintaining

618
00:26:19.599 --> 00:26:21.119
all of this type of stuff, so you'd have had

619
00:26:21.160 --> 00:26:23.759
to dig into this kind of stuff. Like we went

620
00:26:23.799 --> 00:26:26.240
on the walk a little bit earlier, somebody took like

621
00:26:26.279 --> 00:26:29.880
a five step walk off the path and ended up

622
00:26:29.880 --> 00:26:32.200
falling into about three feet of water. So it was

623
00:26:32.200 --> 00:26:34.240
one of those type of places, so it's like you

624
00:26:34.319 --> 00:26:35.559
kind of have to stay on the path and just

625
00:26:35.640 --> 00:26:38.759
kind of watch. But we ended up deciding that at

626
00:26:38.799 --> 00:26:40.519
some point soon we're gonna enup going back out to

627
00:26:40.519 --> 00:26:43.119
this property. He still says that he's having reports. He

628
00:26:43.160 --> 00:26:45.319
still says he's having rock throws that's happened and stuff.

629
00:26:45.359 --> 00:26:47.079
So we're trying to do a thing where at least

630
00:26:47.079 --> 00:26:49.200
once a month we go back out to this property

631
00:26:49.400 --> 00:26:51.400
and we do these squat shikes. But this time we're

632
00:26:51.400 --> 00:26:53.400
going to start trying to limit the groups where it

633
00:26:53.400 --> 00:26:55.200
seems like I end up having the best luck when

634
00:26:55.240 --> 00:26:57.160
I go on squat shikes when you're not doing big numbers,

635
00:26:57.200 --> 00:26:59.240
but you're doing like groups of three, it seems to

636
00:26:59.240 --> 00:27:01.839
be like the perfect number for whatever reason. So the

637
00:27:01.880 --> 00:27:03.680
next intention is, next time we go out, we're gonna

638
00:27:03.680 --> 00:27:05.559
try to break into groups of three. We're gonna try

639
00:27:05.599 --> 00:27:07.319
to make sure everybody has a camera on them, and

640
00:27:07.359 --> 00:27:09.079
hopefully the next time I go out, I'll try to

641
00:27:09.480 --> 00:27:11.480
try and get ahold of the thermal device. Because if

642
00:27:11.480 --> 00:27:13.119
I would have had a thermal device this first time

643
00:27:13.119 --> 00:27:14.799
I went out, maybe I would have been able to

644
00:27:14.839 --> 00:27:16.640
catch a heat signature off in the swamp if it

645
00:27:16.680 --> 00:27:19.400
wasn't hidden somehow by the water itself for dipping itself

646
00:27:19.440 --> 00:27:21.480
down in the water. But again, you never know unless

647
00:27:21.519 --> 00:27:23.680
you have the right equipment. And fortunately it's one of

648
00:27:23.720 --> 00:27:25.720
those things that you know as soon as you have

649
00:27:25.839 --> 00:27:27.519
some type of something, you're like, oh, man, I wish

650
00:27:27.519 --> 00:27:29.240
I would have had this piece of equipment because this

651
00:27:29.240 --> 00:27:30.480
would have been the thing that would have made it

652
00:27:30.480 --> 00:27:32.160
so that I would have actually maybe been able to

653
00:27:32.160 --> 00:27:33.359
actually see something.

654
00:27:35.759 --> 00:27:39.880
That's that's a legit that's a legit story you're involved with.

655
00:27:39.920 --> 00:27:43.119
Have you interviewed that guy about what's going on around

656
00:27:43.119 --> 00:27:43.599
his church?

657
00:27:44.599 --> 00:27:47.160
I interviewed him one on one. I told him at

658
00:27:47.160 --> 00:27:48.920
some point I wanted to kind of put together like

659
00:27:48.960 --> 00:27:51.319
a little bit of like a documentary or something like that.

660
00:27:51.359 --> 00:27:53.319
But I mean just kind of sitting around a bonfire,

661
00:27:53.359 --> 00:27:55.079
he was telling me all the stories and everything. It

662
00:27:55.160 --> 00:27:56.240
was one of those things that I want to go

663
00:27:56.279 --> 00:27:58.559
out to the property the first time and not just

664
00:27:58.599 --> 00:28:00.359
put a bunch of cameras and everything in it. I

665
00:28:00.400 --> 00:28:02.319
kind of wanted to just get a feel for the

666
00:28:02.359 --> 00:28:05.319
when kind of respect his property and everything. But the

667
00:28:05.359 --> 00:28:07.480
second time I go out, he gave me full permission

668
00:28:07.480 --> 00:28:09.039
where he said, you know, I can sit down, we

669
00:28:09.079 --> 00:28:11.200
can record these stories, all that kind of stuff. So

670
00:28:11.400 --> 00:28:13.359
hopefully next time I come out, I'll be able to

671
00:28:13.599 --> 00:28:16.319
give everybody the full background of the full story other

672
00:28:16.400 --> 00:28:18.079
than just the one on one sitter on the campaign

673
00:28:18.119 --> 00:28:19.319
and trying to pick up as much as I could

674
00:28:19.319 --> 00:28:20.559
about what he was experiencing.

675
00:28:21.119 --> 00:28:25.039
Wow, that's going to be incredible when you get that together.

676
00:28:25.240 --> 00:28:28.440
And I mean, yeah, that would make a great documentary,

677
00:28:28.559 --> 00:28:34.400
that would make a great like podcast, audio interview series.

678
00:28:34.400 --> 00:28:37.640
Odd Man that is that's a really really cool thing

679
00:28:37.720 --> 00:28:42.000
that you've you've got yourself involved with. So I'd say listeners,

680
00:28:42.279 --> 00:28:45.519
that's That's one reason to keep up to date with

681
00:28:45.559 --> 00:28:49.039
what Shane is doing here. It sounds like there's some

682
00:28:49.079 --> 00:28:50.119
cool stuff to come.

683
00:28:51.079 --> 00:28:53.480
Side note two. Like I mentioned a little bit earlier too,

684
00:28:53.599 --> 00:28:55.839
that place is about five miles away from the original

685
00:28:55.920 --> 00:28:58.720
Dewey Lake Mins or Dewey Lake Monster sighting, So that

686
00:28:58.960 --> 00:29:01.720
is an area that has a history of sighting. So

687
00:29:02.279 --> 00:29:03.640
you know, maybe one day I'll make it out to

688
00:29:03.680 --> 00:29:06.400
deey like itself too as part of hopefully that documentary

689
00:29:06.480 --> 00:29:08.359
and being able to go out and check out that area.

690
00:29:08.759 --> 00:29:09.720
Dude, I'm loving it.

691
00:29:09.759 --> 00:29:10.359
Oh man, I.

692
00:29:12.039 --> 00:29:16.519
Myself personally want to hear more about this. This sounds fascinating,

693
00:29:16.720 --> 00:29:24.079
so very very cool. H You mentioned that you're not

694
00:29:24.559 --> 00:29:29.759
just into too Bigfoot with your your podcasts, thinking of

695
00:29:30.480 --> 00:29:33.720
the different things you've been involved with there, maybe you

696
00:29:33.759 --> 00:29:36.759
know different people you've talked to. Are there any really

697
00:29:36.799 --> 00:29:44.440
interesting things you've gotten involved with the church, bigfoot interactions,

698
00:29:44.559 --> 00:29:47.279
any other interesting things you've gotten involved with because of

699
00:29:47.319 --> 00:29:49.319
your podcast.

700
00:29:48.640 --> 00:29:51.039
Not necessarily Sasquatch. I have gone on in a few

701
00:29:51.039 --> 00:29:53.960
different Sasquatch hikes, but nothing crazy as has happened. I

702
00:29:53.960 --> 00:29:55.920
get offers all the time, of course, in different places

703
00:29:55.920 --> 00:29:58.119
that I do have any intention of checking out. One

704
00:29:58.119 --> 00:30:01.160
of them actually isn't necessarily a watchy area, but it's

705
00:30:01.200 --> 00:30:03.240
this like haunted forest that's supposed to be on the

706
00:30:03.319 --> 00:30:05.480
other side of the state that I've had contact with

707
00:30:05.519 --> 00:30:07.240
the listener about for a while. So hopefully at some

708
00:30:07.279 --> 00:30:08.519
point I'll make it out to that and be able

709
00:30:08.519 --> 00:30:10.599
to check it out. Other than that, of course, doing

710
00:30:10.599 --> 00:30:13.759
different like paranormal investigations got to go down to Indiana

711
00:30:13.799 --> 00:30:15.880
and check out black Ford County Jail. At some point,

712
00:30:15.920 --> 00:30:17.680
I want to make it down to the Monroe House,

713
00:30:17.720 --> 00:30:19.680
which is like the Double House, which is supposed to

714
00:30:19.720 --> 00:30:22.920
be this like super haunted house that was like abandoned

715
00:30:22.920 --> 00:30:24.559
and there was a couple murders and stuff in it.

716
00:30:24.640 --> 00:30:26.279
And actually a couple of years ago there was a

717
00:30:26.279 --> 00:30:29.440
paranormal investigating group that ended up finding summer remains in

718
00:30:29.480 --> 00:30:32.279
the basement and they ended up completely shutting down the investigation.

719
00:30:32.400 --> 00:30:34.039
The police had to come out and check everything out.

720
00:30:34.119 --> 00:30:38.119
So there's just all this weird based around this house.

721
00:30:38.240 --> 00:30:40.559
But honestly, from the podcast, it's kind of led to

722
00:30:40.880 --> 00:30:42.559
all these different avenues of being able to get out

723
00:30:42.599 --> 00:30:44.400
and be able to check all these different places out,

724
00:30:44.400 --> 00:30:47.599
from you know, weird creature sightings to paranormal sightings to

725
00:30:48.240 --> 00:30:51.240
haven't in too much extraterrestrial stuff. Of course, everybody has

726
00:30:51.279 --> 00:30:52.960
the UFO sightings, but it's one of those things that

727
00:30:53.000 --> 00:30:54.480
it's up in the sky, they see it, it's gone.

728
00:30:54.519 --> 00:30:56.279
It's not something that you're able to really get out

729
00:30:56.279 --> 00:30:58.799
there unless there's like the abduction abduction. But I've had

730
00:30:58.799 --> 00:31:01.279
a few people that have had contact experiences, but a

731
00:31:01.319 --> 00:31:02.880
lot of the time it seems like it's more of

732
00:31:02.880 --> 00:31:06.240
this non physical type experience where they like pull like

733
00:31:06.279 --> 00:31:09.119
their consciousness and stuff. So it's just a whole other,

734
00:31:09.279 --> 00:31:11.960
like weird level that it's just kind of hard to

735
00:31:12.119 --> 00:31:14.720
like get that solid research with that stuff, even though

736
00:31:14.759 --> 00:31:16.720
there is like the opportunity, it's just a matter of

737
00:31:17.079 --> 00:31:19.559
I don't know how people other than like talking to people.

738
00:31:19.599 --> 00:31:21.519
If I had the abduction experiences and stuff, it's like

739
00:31:21.559 --> 00:31:22.960
one of those things that it's not like you can

740
00:31:23.039 --> 00:31:24.839
like get out in the woods and you know, be

741
00:31:24.920 --> 00:31:26.559
looking for aliens or something. I mean, you can look

742
00:31:26.599 --> 00:31:28.759
for UFOs and stuff, but it just seems to be

743
00:31:28.880 --> 00:31:31.839
less hands on. So I more so end up steering

744
00:31:31.880 --> 00:31:34.759
more towards the cryptid and the paranormal stuff because it

745
00:31:34.759 --> 00:31:37.359
seems a little bit more hands on that you can

746
00:31:37.400 --> 00:31:40.240
actually go out there and helpfully able to possibly see something.

747
00:31:40.839 --> 00:31:44.359
Absolutely. Have you ever gotten over to the Manistee National

748
00:31:44.400 --> 00:31:45.680
Forest area of Michigan.

749
00:31:46.519 --> 00:31:49.400
Actually, that is something that I've been digging into for

750
00:31:49.440 --> 00:31:51.880
a while. Of course, the Michigan dog Man for anybody

751
00:31:51.880 --> 00:31:54.920
that may not be familiar. My main documentary that I

752
00:31:54.960 --> 00:31:57.240
want to start working on at some point was about

753
00:31:57.279 --> 00:31:59.200
the Manistee or I wanted to dive into the Michigan

754
00:31:59.279 --> 00:32:00.920
dog Man, because I've a few people that have come

755
00:32:00.960 --> 00:32:03.039
on the show and talked about how they've gone to

756
00:32:03.039 --> 00:32:05.240
investigate this area, and they've had these people in black

757
00:32:05.279 --> 00:32:06.839
trucks pull up and tell them, we know what you're

758
00:32:06.839 --> 00:32:08.400
doing here. You need to get out of here. I've

759
00:32:08.400 --> 00:32:10.920
had a few different reportings of truckers and stuff who

760
00:32:10.920 --> 00:32:13.680
have supposedly shot at these different things. So at some

761
00:32:13.759 --> 00:32:15.160
point I want to make it out there and I

762
00:32:15.200 --> 00:32:17.240
want to make a documentary to it, But it's been

763
00:32:17.279 --> 00:32:19.440
a step by step process and actually connecting with that

764
00:32:19.519 --> 00:32:21.960
last story, I've been looking for somebody for a while

765
00:32:22.039 --> 00:32:23.920
who knows the manast and would actually be able to

766
00:32:24.000 --> 00:32:27.359
navigate the Manistee, and I've always I've found these different

767
00:32:27.359 --> 00:32:29.160
pieces of different people that I wanted to put together

768
00:32:29.200 --> 00:32:31.039
for the crew for that documentary when I get around

769
00:32:31.079 --> 00:32:33.200
to it. But I'm been able to find that navigator

770
00:32:33.200 --> 00:32:36.039
type person. And the last time that i'd gone out

771
00:32:36.079 --> 00:32:39.480
to again investigate that church property, the guy who owns

772
00:32:39.519 --> 00:32:42.160
that property is also somebody who knows the man of

773
00:32:42.160 --> 00:32:43.960
Stee and would be able to navigate her on the

774
00:32:43.960 --> 00:32:46.519
Man of ste So it's been a step by step process,

775
00:32:46.559 --> 00:32:48.720
but I feel like I have everybody together for the crew.

776
00:32:49.000 --> 00:32:50.960
So the idea is that we're going to hopefully next

777
00:32:50.960 --> 00:32:52.720
time you go out work on the Sasquatch thing, and

778
00:32:52.759 --> 00:32:54.440
then the next project we're going to start trying to

779
00:32:54.480 --> 00:32:57.079
work on is a Michigan dog Man Man of Stee

780
00:32:57.119 --> 00:32:59.240
documentary where hopefully we'll be able to go out there,

781
00:32:59.400 --> 00:33:01.240
we'll be able to to talk to some people. I

782
00:33:01.319 --> 00:33:04.000
had different reports or setting these things. I actually did

783
00:33:04.000 --> 00:33:05.720
a three part series on it at one point for

784
00:33:05.759 --> 00:33:09.039
Bizarre Encounters, where I dive into it for about probably

785
00:33:09.039 --> 00:33:12.720
five hours altogether, diving into all these weird different experiences

786
00:33:12.759 --> 00:33:15.119
and these weird different cover ups and everything with it.

787
00:33:15.200 --> 00:33:18.039
But the Michigan dog Man, Manistee dog Man seems like

788
00:33:18.039 --> 00:33:20.559
there's a lot of there's this huge shroud of mystery

789
00:33:20.559 --> 00:33:23.559
around it where most people that actually go out to

790
00:33:23.559 --> 00:33:25.640
investigate this thing kind of seem to get pushed away

791
00:33:25.640 --> 00:33:28.759
more so than a lot of other places. And my

792
00:33:28.880 --> 00:33:30.440
question is that the dog Man er is there other

793
00:33:30.519 --> 00:33:32.279
kind of weird stuff going on there? Because it seems

794
00:33:32.279 --> 00:33:35.720
like there's these creature reportings, there seems to be something

795
00:33:35.720 --> 00:33:38.319
else weird going on, and definitely there's a lot of

796
00:33:38.319 --> 00:33:42.319
military bases in Michigan, so I mean, who knows, maybe

797
00:33:42.319 --> 00:33:44.240
that's somewhat of a tie to it, but at some

798
00:33:44.319 --> 00:33:46.319
point I'll make it out to that Manistee.

799
00:33:47.000 --> 00:33:49.160
I can also tell you there's a lot of weird

800
00:33:49.200 --> 00:33:52.240
bigfoot stuff that goes on in that National Forest as well,

801
00:33:52.839 --> 00:33:56.880
And if you wanted, maybe another name I can throw

802
00:33:57.000 --> 00:33:59.039
out at you just to put in the back of

803
00:33:59.039 --> 00:34:03.079
your mind for this this research you're doing. Another great

804
00:34:03.079 --> 00:34:06.200
individual that knows a lot about that area is justin

805
00:34:06.279 --> 00:34:10.039
from Cryptids of the Corn. Knows a ton You probably

806
00:34:10.079 --> 00:34:11.880
already have him on the list. I don't know, but

807
00:34:12.480 --> 00:34:15.119
he knows a lot about Maynistee and that.

808
00:34:15.320 --> 00:34:16.840
So he's somebody that I have to hit up about

809
00:34:16.840 --> 00:34:19.119
that too, because I have his number and everything like that.

810
00:34:19.159 --> 00:34:21.760
I just didn't actually know that, like I've heard him

811
00:34:21.760 --> 00:34:23.079
of course talk about it and stuff, but it was

812
00:34:23.079 --> 00:34:24.880
just one of those things that I hadn't actually connected

813
00:34:24.880 --> 00:34:26.960
the dots to say, like, hey, maybe he would want

814
00:34:26.960 --> 00:34:29.599
to get involved in that because he knows Riley from

815
00:34:29.599 --> 00:34:33.440
Midwest Mythos too. So it's like we all kind of

816
00:34:34.079 --> 00:34:35.679
know each other and are tied to each other. But

817
00:34:35.960 --> 00:34:37.920
and even my coast oron Actually I ended up meeting

818
00:34:38.000 --> 00:34:39.880
him through Justin from Cryptids of the Corn. Like if

819
00:34:39.920 --> 00:34:41.800
I had known Justin, I wouldn't have met my coast

820
00:34:41.920 --> 00:34:44.119
Orin either. So it's just one of moost people. It's

821
00:34:44.119 --> 00:34:45.679
so close that you just end up looking over him

822
00:34:45.679 --> 00:34:46.639
on accent, you know what I mean.

823
00:34:46.800 --> 00:34:51.000
Oh, absolutely, it's all connected for sure. You mentioned something

824
00:34:51.079 --> 00:34:54.519
that I found really interesting because it's come up in

825
00:34:54.639 --> 00:34:59.000
other areas. Is that you're saying, there's stories of people

826
00:34:59.000 --> 00:35:03.000
being run out of this area by guys, and are

827
00:35:03.039 --> 00:35:07.519
these unmarked trucks, dark trucks, or trucks with words on

828
00:35:07.559 --> 00:35:08.719
the side of them, or.

829
00:35:09.599 --> 00:35:12.239
So one specific one. I can't drop the guy's name

830
00:35:12.239 --> 00:35:14.119
because he ended up telling me this after the show.

831
00:35:14.400 --> 00:35:15.920
He pretty much said that he just doesn't want his

832
00:35:15.960 --> 00:35:17.559
family to know about this kind of stuff because they

833
00:35:17.599 --> 00:35:19.840
don't want him to know how involved he's gotten in

834
00:35:19.880 --> 00:35:22.159
different stuff because he he's a big sasquatch researcher. He

835
00:35:22.199 --> 00:35:25.400
investigates paranormal stuff, but he doesn't want his family to

836
00:35:25.480 --> 00:35:28.039
know that he's literally had like government officials like stop him,

837
00:35:28.039 --> 00:35:29.800
so he kind of told me this story like off

838
00:35:30.360 --> 00:35:32.159
off the record, but that's why I'm not dropping any

839
00:35:32.239 --> 00:35:34.480
names or anything. But at least from his story that

840
00:35:34.519 --> 00:35:37.199
he described, he was supposed to be meeting up with

841
00:35:37.239 --> 00:35:39.280
a group to be able to do an investigation in

842
00:35:39.320 --> 00:35:41.159
the Man of Stee. They had an exact location they

843
00:35:41.320 --> 00:35:44.639
got picked out where somebody supposedly had a sighting, and

844
00:35:44.679 --> 00:35:47.840
as they were all starting to come in, Al I

845
00:35:47.880 --> 00:35:49.360
think was supposed to be one of the last ones

846
00:35:49.360 --> 00:35:52.039
coming in and he ended up getting stopped by two

847
00:35:52.679 --> 00:35:56.639
black unmarked SUVs, is from what he described. And he

848
00:35:56.679 --> 00:35:59.119
said that they both stopped, but only one guy got

849
00:35:59.119 --> 00:36:01.199
out of the first one came up to the window.

850
00:36:01.519 --> 00:36:03.440
He said he was wearing like a uniform, but it

851
00:36:03.480 --> 00:36:06.599
wasn't marked with anything, and he basically just said simple

852
00:36:06.639 --> 00:36:08.280
phrase that we know what you're doing out here and

853
00:36:08.320 --> 00:36:09.880
he needed to turn around and go back home. And

854
00:36:09.880 --> 00:36:11.239
then he said the guy turned around and got in

855
00:36:11.280 --> 00:36:12.880
his car, and he said they followed him until he

856
00:36:12.880 --> 00:36:14.320
seemed like he was leaving the woods and then they

857
00:36:14.320 --> 00:36:16.320
just kind of dipped off and went from there. And

858
00:36:16.360 --> 00:36:18.760
he said he ended up calling his friends to say, hey,

859
00:36:18.760 --> 00:36:21.639
I got chased out by these guys and they said, oh,

860
00:36:21.679 --> 00:36:24.079
we didn't see anybody, like you know, we're here. So

861
00:36:24.119 --> 00:36:26.079
he said he ended up trying to come back around

862
00:36:26.400 --> 00:36:27.920
to see if he'd be able to come back in,

863
00:36:28.280 --> 00:36:29.800
and he said as soon as he started getting back

864
00:36:29.800 --> 00:36:31.599
towards that area again, he said, the cars pulled up

865
00:36:31.639 --> 00:36:33.440
behind him and followed him until he veered away from

866
00:36:33.480 --> 00:36:34.880
the area again, like they knew he was going to

867
00:36:34.960 --> 00:36:37.440
double back around. And he said that his group that

868
00:36:37.519 --> 00:36:39.639
he went out with ended up getting to investigate. I

869
00:36:39.679 --> 00:36:41.519
don't know if they had any sightings or anything like that.

870
00:36:41.599 --> 00:36:44.960
I heard his side of it, and he basically just

871
00:36:45.000 --> 00:36:46.480
had to go back to the hotel room and wasn't

872
00:36:46.480 --> 00:36:48.239
able to go and investigate. But I didn't hear if

873
00:36:48.239 --> 00:36:49.760
anything else ended up happening there.

874
00:36:49.800 --> 00:36:54.920
That is intense and it's crazy. So first off, I

875
00:36:54.960 --> 00:36:57.599
have to say, if listeners are listening to this and

876
00:36:58.079 --> 00:37:00.559
they are like, oh, yeah, I've had something like that happened,

877
00:37:01.480 --> 00:37:03.000
you can put it in the comments. You can also

878
00:37:03.079 --> 00:37:06.360
reach out to me directly through email Bigfoot Society at

879
00:37:06.360 --> 00:37:08.360
gmail dot com if you want to share a story

880
00:37:08.440 --> 00:37:10.719
like that, because I know they're out there because I've

881
00:37:10.719 --> 00:37:12.559
been working with some of you for about a year

882
00:37:12.599 --> 00:37:15.320
and a half to share certain stories and you're not

883
00:37:15.480 --> 00:37:18.239
quite there, but I'm just giving you you know, you

884
00:37:18.239 --> 00:37:20.039
can take all the time that you need because it's

885
00:37:20.159 --> 00:37:22.000
it's a really big deal when you come out about

886
00:37:22.440 --> 00:37:25.960
with stuff like that, that is.

887
00:37:25.880 --> 00:37:26.599
That is wild.

888
00:37:26.679 --> 00:37:28.880
I think there's a lot more going on behind the

889
00:37:28.880 --> 00:37:32.079
scenes than we know when it comes to government involvement

890
00:37:32.320 --> 00:37:33.159
and bigfoot.

891
00:37:33.199 --> 00:37:34.800
In other cryptids, I.

892
00:37:34.760 --> 00:37:38.119
Had heard one of a trucker who supposedly was trying

893
00:37:38.119 --> 00:37:40.239
to go and fix his tire. He was like, you know,

894
00:37:40.480 --> 00:37:41.960
doing the thing or he was like hitting the tires

895
00:37:41.960 --> 00:37:44.519
and everything, and he started hearing some shuffling off in

896
00:37:44.519 --> 00:37:46.599
the woods and end up getting back into his truck.

897
00:37:46.599 --> 00:37:48.079
And as he got into his truck, he said he

898
00:37:48.119 --> 00:37:49.480
had one of these things that ran up on the

899
00:37:49.480 --> 00:37:51.800
window and ended up putting a shot into this thing's

900
00:37:51.840 --> 00:37:55.199
face and watched it roll off. He took off, did

901
00:37:55.239 --> 00:37:57.360
a loop, came back and he said there was a

902
00:37:57.599 --> 00:37:59.800
jeep that was pork there and they said like, oh,

903
00:37:59.840 --> 00:38:03.559
we saw some hanmil that was heard. I took off

904
00:38:03.559 --> 00:38:05.559
into the woods and the guy basically said like, you

905
00:38:05.559 --> 00:38:08.039
guys need to leave. So he left and then he

906
00:38:08.039 --> 00:38:10.039
said he ended up having these like people that have

907
00:38:10.079 --> 00:38:11.400
just come out of the woodwork and then call him

908
00:38:11.400 --> 00:38:13.440
and say things like you destroyed our property and you're

909
00:38:13.440 --> 00:38:15.199
gonna end up paying for it. And he'd have these

910
00:38:15.199 --> 00:38:17.480
like weird SUVs and stuff like that would sit outside

911
00:38:17.519 --> 00:38:19.840
of his house. But this wasn't somebody that I'd actually

912
00:38:19.880 --> 00:38:21.159
talked to. This was one of the stories that I

913
00:38:21.280 --> 00:38:23.400
dug up on the internet. This guy supposedly went on

914
00:38:23.440 --> 00:38:25.840
a couple of podcasts talking about his experiences. I don't

915
00:38:25.840 --> 00:38:28.039
remember his name offhand, but that was again one of

916
00:38:28.079 --> 00:38:31.000
those weird experiences where somebody won actually put a bull

917
00:38:31.079 --> 00:38:34.239
in this thing. And two had that government intervention saying

918
00:38:34.280 --> 00:38:36.519
something weird along the lines of you destroyed our property

919
00:38:36.519 --> 00:38:37.920
and you're gonna end up paying us back for it,

920
00:38:38.000 --> 00:38:40.239
or you're gonna get you back for it. So that

921
00:38:40.679 --> 00:38:42.639
gets into the weird bass thing. Like I mentioned that

922
00:38:43.039 --> 00:38:45.679
are these things as they appear or is it like

923
00:38:45.760 --> 00:38:47.320
with a lot of the phenomenon that I think that

924
00:38:47.400 --> 00:38:50.400
there's multiple things that all become a facet in the

925
00:38:50.400 --> 00:38:52.880
phenomenon that I think that there are these dog men

926
00:38:52.920 --> 00:38:55.519
being that are like sasquatch almost that are just something

927
00:38:55.519 --> 00:38:57.239
that are here and on the other side of it,

928
00:38:57.280 --> 00:38:59.760
I definitely think that there is gene splicing or some

929
00:38:59.800 --> 00:39:04.079
type of government experimentation going on that they're creating these things,

930
00:39:04.159 --> 00:39:06.639
because even with those, I mean, how many reportings have

931
00:39:06.679 --> 00:39:09.079
you had with like dog Man, I've heard at least

932
00:39:09.079 --> 00:39:12.199
one or two reportings of people claiming that they're were

933
00:39:12.239 --> 00:39:15.239
wearing like military grade like bowldproof vests. So I mean,

934
00:39:15.360 --> 00:39:18.519
like just weird stuff. I mean, it's one of those

935
00:39:18.519 --> 00:39:21.159
things that, again it's somebody's encounter report, so of course

936
00:39:21.159 --> 00:39:22.440
you want to listen to it. You take it in

937
00:39:22.440 --> 00:39:25.079
with the grain of salt, but still something that just

938
00:39:25.440 --> 00:39:28.599
kind of sparks a weird, weird spark in the back

939
00:39:28.639 --> 00:39:31.079
of your mind and says like there's something there's there's

940
00:39:31.079 --> 00:39:34.599
a multi faceted aspect of this phenomenon, like most cryptid

941
00:39:34.719 --> 00:39:36.920
creature type of sightings. I don't think that most of

942
00:39:36.960 --> 00:39:38.719
these things are coming from one specific place. I think

943
00:39:38.760 --> 00:39:41.679
it's a combination of multiple things. Yeah.

944
00:39:41.719 --> 00:39:45.280
Absolutely, And listeners are always trying to get me to

945
00:39:45.320 --> 00:39:47.360
get into the dog Man stuff, but I'm like, you know,

946
00:39:47.440 --> 00:39:49.840
I gotta stick with the bigfoot stuff because I want

947
00:39:49.880 --> 00:39:51.599
that to be my focus, but dog Man kind of

948
00:39:51.639 --> 00:39:54.960
slips in. If it's organically in the episode, then it

949
00:39:55.000 --> 00:39:57.320
can come in. But man, that dog Man stuff just

950
00:39:57.360 --> 00:40:00.800
freaks me out, Like and there's even dog fightings in

951
00:40:00.840 --> 00:40:03.880
Iowa recently that I've heard, and I'm just like, man,

952
00:40:04.039 --> 00:40:06.639
it can't even stay out of my home state, Like

953
00:40:07.760 --> 00:40:10.719
it's such a wild cryptid. It's never having a good time,

954
00:40:11.159 --> 00:40:12.599
you know, dude.

955
00:40:12.639 --> 00:40:15.360
I honestly think that a lot of these old really

956
00:40:15.400 --> 00:40:19.079
aggressive Sasquatch reports may have been dog Man reports and

957
00:40:19.119 --> 00:40:21.519
it just wasn't something that was brought into the language

958
00:40:21.519 --> 00:40:23.639
because there's still this resilience even with people in the

959
00:40:23.639 --> 00:40:27.320
community that they're just like dog Man were Wolf, like ah.

960
00:40:27.760 --> 00:40:29.840
But I think that the weird the thing is there

961
00:40:29.840 --> 00:40:32.800
was this whole connotation of where Wolf, where people had

962
00:40:32.800 --> 00:40:35.599
this whole idea about like humans literally shape shifting and

963
00:40:35.639 --> 00:40:38.960
turning into like wolfside beings, not taking any consideration these

964
00:40:39.000 --> 00:40:42.199
things being just as the form as they are, Which

965
00:40:42.239 --> 00:40:43.679
is where I think a lot of the researchers are

966
00:40:43.719 --> 00:40:45.519
actually coming back around to this stuff now is because

967
00:40:45.519 --> 00:40:48.440
they're realizing it's not humans shape shifting into these beings,

968
00:40:49.199 --> 00:40:52.039
but there is some actual physicality to this thing. But

969
00:40:52.239 --> 00:40:54.159
getting back into what I was saying, though, I think

970
00:40:54.199 --> 00:40:57.519
that a lot of the old really aggressive Sasquatch reports,

971
00:40:57.559 --> 00:40:59.719
there is a probability that they may have actually been

972
00:40:59.800 --> 00:41:02.199
some dog man reports. It's just that people didn't have

973
00:41:03.559 --> 00:41:05.280
dog man on their mind. They didn't know how to

974
00:41:05.320 --> 00:41:08.239
categorize it and split it differently, because how many sasquatch

975
00:41:08.280 --> 00:41:10.039
reports have you heard where they have more of an

976
00:41:10.079 --> 00:41:12.000
extended face, where it's almost more of like a muzzle.

977
00:41:12.000 --> 00:41:14.079
But they're like these old reports that you can't actually

978
00:41:14.119 --> 00:41:16.039
dive into. You can't really ask the people because they're

979
00:41:16.039 --> 00:41:18.760
not around anymore. They're somebody that's elderly and you can't

980
00:41:18.760 --> 00:41:20.480
really get a hold of them through the Internet and stuff.

981
00:41:20.519 --> 00:41:23.960
But miscategorization, man, I think that it's not necessarily that

982
00:41:24.199 --> 00:41:26.639
it's a new phenomenon. I think it slips way in

983
00:41:26.679 --> 00:41:28.599
because it's something that's always been there and now we're

984
00:41:28.639 --> 00:41:31.920
just able to split the difference, noticing that again one

985
00:41:31.960 --> 00:41:34.360
has the more elongated face and one's more aggressive, where

986
00:41:34.360 --> 00:41:37.000
one has the more cone shaped head and seems to

987
00:41:37.039 --> 00:41:39.920
be less aggressive on average, depending on, of course, what

988
00:41:40.039 --> 00:41:42.119
area you're in and whether or not it's provoked and

989
00:41:42.159 --> 00:41:44.559
what you're doing at the time, But more often than that,

990
00:41:44.639 --> 00:41:47.559
it seems like the sasquatch stuff is significantly less aggressive

991
00:41:47.559 --> 00:41:48.880
than the dog man encounters are.

992
00:41:53.599 --> 00:41:55.800
Kind of freaks me out, But someone's gonna give me.

993
00:41:56.679 --> 00:41:59.119
Someone's gonna give me grief for not asking it, so

994
00:41:59.159 --> 00:42:00.119
I'm gonna ask it.

995
00:42:00.159 --> 00:42:02.039
But in the beginning, you.

996
00:42:04.519 --> 00:42:11.079
Quickly mentioned how you had gotten into astro astro related

997
00:42:11.119 --> 00:42:16.960
things as a young child, where like astro projection.

998
00:42:18.239 --> 00:42:21.920
So it was it's kind of like this weird, somewhat

999
00:42:21.960 --> 00:42:24.639
lifetime thing that's been happening where I kind of go

1000
00:42:24.719 --> 00:42:26.920
in spurts of it. It's like a whole other episode

1001
00:42:26.960 --> 00:42:28.320
all in its own, to be honest with you, But

1002
00:42:28.639 --> 00:42:30.360
from the time I was a kid, I used to

1003
00:42:30.960 --> 00:42:34.960
astro project without intentionally doing it. Where I would go

1004
00:42:34.960 --> 00:42:37.039
to sleep at night, I would astra project and I

1005
00:42:37.079 --> 00:42:39.760
would see things such as like myself sleeping. I go

1006
00:42:39.880 --> 00:42:42.079
through these like weird obstacle courses and stuff once in

1007
00:42:42.079 --> 00:42:44.440
a while. Vicki joy Anderson, if you've ever heard of her,

1008
00:42:44.559 --> 00:42:47.039
She's actually dived into this a lot, with these weird

1009
00:42:47.119 --> 00:42:49.719
like obstacle course type experiences looking in with this stuff.

1010
00:42:49.760 --> 00:42:52.920
But my differentiation would always be that I would get

1011
00:42:52.920 --> 00:42:56.480
sleep paralysis after all these experiences. So I had it

1012
00:42:56.639 --> 00:42:59.119
multiple times a night at time or multiple times a

1013
00:42:59.119 --> 00:43:02.039
week at times, and that was always the differentiation between

1014
00:43:02.079 --> 00:43:03.920
whether or not I was in a dream or I

1015
00:43:03.960 --> 00:43:07.159
was in this astul projecting experience. But it started getting

1016
00:43:07.199 --> 00:43:09.280
really really weird when I lived in this like I

1017
00:43:09.280 --> 00:43:11.480
guess you could say like haunted house when I was

1018
00:43:11.480 --> 00:43:14.360
a teenager, where there was this like weird dark aspect

1019
00:43:14.440 --> 00:43:16.760
to it. But on the lighter side of stuff, like

1020
00:43:16.840 --> 00:43:18.880
one thing that I had to use to solidify it

1021
00:43:18.920 --> 00:43:20.920
in my head that it was actually something happening would

1022
00:43:21.119 --> 00:43:23.039
be that I would go to people's houses that I

1023
00:43:23.079 --> 00:43:25.800
was familiar with and my friends. I would tell some

1024
00:43:25.840 --> 00:43:27.760
of my friends about these experiences just so I could

1025
00:43:27.760 --> 00:43:30.480
connect stuff and not sound creepy. But I would like say,

1026
00:43:30.559 --> 00:43:32.280
like you were sleeping in a room facing the wall,

1027
00:43:32.320 --> 00:43:34.159
there was a coke file sitting here, there was this here,

1028
00:43:34.199 --> 00:43:36.159
there was this here, and they're like, wow, that was

1029
00:43:36.159 --> 00:43:37.559
exactly I was sleeping. How would you know that? And

1030
00:43:37.599 --> 00:43:39.840
I'm like, I'm telling you, I've actually projected into people's

1031
00:43:39.880 --> 00:43:42.880
rooms and I've seen this stuff. Oh wow, And like

1032
00:43:42.880 --> 00:43:45.079
I said, I would have these, I would always get

1033
00:43:45.079 --> 00:43:47.920
sleep for utsys directly after it. But when I started

1034
00:43:47.960 --> 00:43:50.199
getting older, it seemed like this stuff started to dissipate

1035
00:43:50.239 --> 00:43:53.119
a bit more, where I stopped remembering the dreams as frequently,

1036
00:43:53.159 --> 00:43:56.440
but I would still get these sleepers experiences, and once

1037
00:43:56.440 --> 00:43:58.079
in a while I would have some like super duper

1038
00:43:58.199 --> 00:44:01.559
vivid dreams, one of which actually sounds like a said

1039
00:44:01.559 --> 00:44:03.480
story at first but turned into a happy story. But

1040
00:44:03.960 --> 00:44:05.480
this was during a time when it would kind of

1041
00:44:05.480 --> 00:44:07.239
like turn itself off and on for a while. So

1042
00:44:07.280 --> 00:44:09.119
I hadn't actually had an experience in a while. But

1043
00:44:09.679 --> 00:44:11.519
my girlfriend and I were trying to have our second

1044
00:44:11.599 --> 00:44:13.760
kid at the time, and we ended up having a

1045
00:44:13.760 --> 00:44:17.400
stillborn well not exactly stillborn, but it was eight weeks

1046
00:44:17.400 --> 00:44:20.239
and I didn't have a heartbeat, so it didn't end

1047
00:44:20.280 --> 00:44:22.880
up making it, of course, and I ended up having

1048
00:44:22.920 --> 00:44:25.639
this experience in the middle of that before we figured

1049
00:44:25.639 --> 00:44:27.719
out that she was pregnant with my son who's now

1050
00:44:27.760 --> 00:44:30.639
going to be going on three in December, where I

1051
00:44:30.679 --> 00:44:33.000
went to this place where it was like the middle

1052
00:44:33.039 --> 00:44:35.760
of space, and it was like this purple nebula galaxy

1053
00:44:35.800 --> 00:44:38.559
type looking thing, and I wasn't necessarily like floating or

1054
00:44:38.599 --> 00:44:40.440
standing in it. I was just kind of existing within it,

1055
00:44:40.960 --> 00:44:44.559
and this little boy, who was about between six and

1056
00:44:44.599 --> 00:44:47.239
eight kind of area, basically said that wasn't a good

1057
00:44:47.320 --> 00:44:49.519
vessel for me. I'll see in the next one. And

1058
00:44:49.599 --> 00:44:50.960
a couple of weeks later is when I ended up

1059
00:44:50.960 --> 00:44:52.840
figuring out that she was pregnant, and then a little

1060
00:44:52.840 --> 00:44:54.440
bit after that I figured out that I was having

1061
00:44:54.440 --> 00:44:56.719
a son. And this is one of those experiences that

1062
00:44:56.760 --> 00:44:58.679
I keep in my head because I want to see

1063
00:44:58.719 --> 00:45:00.679
if it's the exact same face. But as far as

1064
00:45:00.679 --> 00:45:02.559
I can see now, judging a three year old off

1065
00:45:02.599 --> 00:45:05.760
of somebody that's between six and eight, it seems like

1066
00:45:05.760 --> 00:45:08.079
it's the same base. So I'm pretty sure that through

1067
00:45:08.119 --> 00:45:11.280
these astral projection experiences, I may have seen my son

1068
00:45:11.320 --> 00:45:13.960
before he was born. And in the process of these

1069
00:45:14.000 --> 00:45:16.639
experiences too, which is kind of where I get into

1070
00:45:16.719 --> 00:45:20.559
all the weird multi reality, different dimension type stuff on

1071
00:45:20.599 --> 00:45:22.760
my show, is because I've experienced this kind of stuff myself,

1072
00:45:22.760 --> 00:45:24.119
which is why I kind of get into a little

1073
00:45:24.159 --> 00:45:26.679
bit more of the woo sasquatch at times. But one

1074
00:45:26.679 --> 00:45:29.400
of the experiences I had was that I had gone

1075
00:45:29.400 --> 00:45:32.119
to sleep at night and I woke up and I

1076
00:45:32.159 --> 00:45:33.840
was in this other reality and I was trying to

1077
00:45:33.880 --> 00:45:35.880
find my girlfriend, but I couldn't quite find her. When

1078
00:45:35.920 --> 00:45:37.920
I found her, it wasn't exactly her. It was like

1079
00:45:37.920 --> 00:45:40.559
a different variation of her. And I kept doing this

1080
00:45:40.599 --> 00:45:42.599
where I would go to sleep, be in a new place,

1081
00:45:42.639 --> 00:45:44.400
go to sleep being a new place, go to sleep

1082
00:45:44.440 --> 00:45:46.639
being a new place, and it felt like it took

1083
00:45:46.679 --> 00:45:48.679
like six months, and every single time I woke up

1084
00:45:48.719 --> 00:45:51.400
in this new place, the girl I found wasn't quite

1085
00:45:51.880 --> 00:45:55.280
my girl. It was just different variations for and when

1086
00:45:55.320 --> 00:45:59.119
I found I came back, I ended up having sleeperalysis

1087
00:45:59.159 --> 00:46:01.199
directly after, which freaked me out even more because that's

1088
00:46:01.199 --> 00:46:03.920
how I've always kind of connected these experiences. And I'm

1089
00:46:03.920 --> 00:46:06.199
not a super emotional guy, but that was honestly one

1090
00:46:06.199 --> 00:46:08.199
of the most horrifying experiences I've ever had, because I

1091
00:46:08.199 --> 00:46:09.920
didn't know if I was actually going to come back.

1092
00:46:10.320 --> 00:46:11.880
And some people may call it a dream. I know

1093
00:46:11.920 --> 00:46:14.800
that there's time dilation within dreams, but it was one

1094
00:46:14.840 --> 00:46:16.760
of those things that it was. It felt more real

1095
00:46:16.800 --> 00:46:19.599
than real. And ever since then, I've always taken in

1096
00:46:19.639 --> 00:46:24.000
the multi dimensional astral projection aspects of reality. A lot

1097
00:46:24.039 --> 00:46:27.159
more into consideration, because it's just one of those experiences

1098
00:46:27.199 --> 00:46:30.199
that I've had dreams like, I can't categorize it as

1099
00:46:30.239 --> 00:46:33.320
that it was something way more than that, and honestly

1100
00:46:33.360 --> 00:46:35.239
probably connects into a lot of the stuff that I do,

1101
00:46:35.320 --> 00:46:38.280
where I of course get into the WU stuff, but

1102
00:46:38.280 --> 00:46:40.800
I try to ground it in rational understanding of how

1103
00:46:40.840 --> 00:46:43.320
that stuff could theoretically work. So I get really really

1104
00:46:43.320 --> 00:46:45.559
heavy into some like really weird off the wall kind

1105
00:46:45.599 --> 00:46:47.639
of theories on how I think of like a lot

1106
00:46:47.679 --> 00:46:51.400
of different things work, and having that experience, honestly is

1107
00:46:51.440 --> 00:46:53.119
what I think kind of connected all that for me.

1108
00:46:53.159 --> 00:46:55.639
Where it's like, you know, somebody's like, oh, shape shifters.

1109
00:46:55.960 --> 00:46:58.320
My connection for shape shifters is I don't necessarily think

1110
00:46:58.360 --> 00:47:01.039
it's something that physically changes the form, but something that's

1111
00:47:01.079 --> 00:47:04.440
able to manipulate people's perception into seeing what it wants

1112
00:47:04.480 --> 00:47:06.960
them to see. So when I dive into this stuff,

1113
00:47:07.000 --> 00:47:09.079
I definitely dive into the WU aspect, but I try

1114
00:47:09.079 --> 00:47:11.440
to round it in the most rational way that I

1115
00:47:11.440 --> 00:47:13.960
could possibly understand it myself, because I don't personally see

1116
00:47:14.000 --> 00:47:17.199
something completely changing its form. I see it as this

1117
00:47:17.239 --> 00:47:20.239
thing has to be able to manipulate people's perception. And

1118
00:47:20.360 --> 00:47:22.480
again I have all these off the wall theories and stuff,

1119
00:47:22.480 --> 00:47:24.360
but it wasn't for that experience. I don't think that

1120
00:47:24.480 --> 00:47:27.719
my brain would work in that same way. But it's

1121
00:47:27.719 --> 00:47:29.880
been almost my whole life that I've experienced this stuff,

1122
00:47:30.199 --> 00:47:33.280
and it goes in spurts. Lately, it's probably been at

1123
00:47:33.360 --> 00:47:36.079
least six months since I've had any type of dream

1124
00:47:36.280 --> 00:47:41.239
experiencedly paralysis, anything like that. But before that, it was

1125
00:47:41.239 --> 00:47:43.400
getting to a time where it would be I probably

1126
00:47:43.440 --> 00:47:45.519
have sleep paralysis like two or three times a week,

1127
00:47:45.599 --> 00:47:47.960
but I wouldn't remember the dreams because it seemed like

1128
00:47:48.039 --> 00:47:51.239
there was this stop off where I would always remember everything.

1129
00:47:51.320 --> 00:47:52.960
But all of a sudden, when I was like in

1130
00:47:53.000 --> 00:47:55.840
my mid twenties, I just stopped remembering the dreams unless

1131
00:47:55.840 --> 00:47:58.920
there's something like crazy super Vivid, which only happens once

1132
00:47:58.960 --> 00:48:00.920
every couple of months. But like I said, this is

1133
00:48:00.920 --> 00:48:03.239
something I could probably go over for like a whole podcast,

1134
00:48:03.280 --> 00:48:05.519
But it's beally been like this weird, continuous thing that's

1135
00:48:05.559 --> 00:48:09.199
kind of happened in my whole life.

1136
00:48:08.000 --> 00:48:13.119
That's incredibly intense, and I had no idea that it

1137
00:48:13.159 --> 00:48:15.800
would get so personal. Thank you for sharing that that's

1138
00:48:15.880 --> 00:48:21.199
extremely personal answer. I appreciate you being so open with that.

1139
00:48:22.480 --> 00:48:24.480
It's one of those things that it came to a

1140
00:48:24.480 --> 00:48:26.679
happy ending of course after that, and I feel like

1141
00:48:26.760 --> 00:48:28.800
if I'm one of those people that's always asking people

1142
00:48:28.840 --> 00:48:31.159
to come and share their experiences with me, I got

1143
00:48:31.159 --> 00:48:33.079
to be open with my stuff too. So it's like

1144
00:48:34.039 --> 00:48:35.719
it had a happy ending. That's all that really matters

1145
00:48:35.719 --> 00:48:37.320
in the end of it. But you know, you just

1146
00:48:37.320 --> 00:48:39.280
got to be open about certain stuff. You expect other

1147
00:48:39.280 --> 00:48:40.960
people to come on and try to share their super

1148
00:48:40.960 --> 00:48:44.239
personal experiences they've been in the most horrifying experiences of

1149
00:48:44.280 --> 00:48:44.719
their life.

1150
00:48:47.760 --> 00:48:51.280
Some interesting thoughts about shape shifters at the at the

1151
00:48:51.400 --> 00:48:56.159
end there, and maybe not overly related, but have you

1152
00:48:56.280 --> 00:49:00.920
been getting reports about pale crawlers or any thing similar

1153
00:49:00.960 --> 00:49:02.800
to that over the last few years?

1154
00:49:03.519 --> 00:49:06.360
So funny story, My main encounter that most people have

1155
00:49:06.519 --> 00:49:08.320
me come on shows and talk about it is something

1156
00:49:08.320 --> 00:49:10.840
that seems like it's related to that. That's a heavy

1157
00:49:10.880 --> 00:49:14.079
aspect of research that I've gotten into where I don't

1158
00:49:14.119 --> 00:49:18.639
think pale crawlers slash rakes are what people try to

1159
00:49:18.679 --> 00:49:21.760
categorize the mass if you start diving into Native American

1160
00:49:21.840 --> 00:49:24.440
more most people assume that the wind to go is

1161
00:49:24.480 --> 00:49:27.599
this deer headed being that exists in the woods, and

1162
00:49:27.599 --> 00:49:29.440
when you get into the Native American stuff, that's not

1163
00:49:29.519 --> 00:49:33.840
how they describe it. They're these tall, lanky, decrepit looking creatures.

1164
00:49:34.159 --> 00:49:36.519
And the experience that I had, I said, I can

1165
00:49:36.519 --> 00:49:38.039
get into it on a whole other podcast if you

1166
00:49:38.039 --> 00:49:40.039
wanted to, but just kind of briefly sum it up.

1167
00:49:40.239 --> 00:49:42.519
My girlfriend and I used to or been exploring, and

1168
00:49:42.599 --> 00:49:44.840
we ended up going into this psychiatric hospitel that we

1169
00:49:44.920 --> 00:49:47.400
used to explore all the time, and we've gotten to

1170
00:49:47.440 --> 00:49:49.320
the point where we explored like the whole campus, all

1171
00:49:49.320 --> 00:49:51.880
the different buildings and everything. So we ended up going

1172
00:49:52.119 --> 00:49:54.519
to go and explore the tunnels which go all through

1173
00:49:54.599 --> 00:49:56.559
the city, and we're just always scared of going down

1174
00:49:56.559 --> 00:49:58.880
there and not having enough flashlight battery and stuff. But

1175
00:49:59.320 --> 00:50:01.719
one day we justid to go down there, and as

1176
00:50:01.719 --> 00:50:03.239
soon as we got down there, there was this like

1177
00:50:03.280 --> 00:50:05.280
hole that was in the wall in the basement, and

1178
00:50:05.280 --> 00:50:07.800
it looked like somebody removed all the bricks. And when

1179
00:50:07.840 --> 00:50:09.800
I came down that corner, I turned to look in

1180
00:50:09.840 --> 00:50:13.199
this room and there's this like metal hospital cart gurdy

1181
00:50:13.679 --> 00:50:17.119
and there's this I hear this disembodied voice on my

1182
00:50:17.239 --> 00:50:20.039
right side and it says, and as I hear that,

1183
00:50:20.199 --> 00:50:24.599
I see this thing stand up and it's this tall, lanky, bluish,

1184
00:50:24.599 --> 00:50:28.880
gray skinned, decrepted looking creature and it had this long, black,

1185
00:50:28.960 --> 00:50:31.000
greasy hair on the top of its head. And I

1186
00:50:31.039 --> 00:50:33.519
took off running and my girlfriend, I didn't tell her

1187
00:50:33.599 --> 00:50:35.519
what I had seen. She had her friend with her,

1188
00:50:35.519 --> 00:50:37.320
so as we're taking off, she's like taking pictures and

1189
00:50:37.320 --> 00:50:39.880
stuff behind her, and we ended up catching this thing

1190
00:50:39.920 --> 00:50:43.599
that looks like it's it's like non physical, almost like

1191
00:50:43.679 --> 00:50:45.440
it was definitely physical what I had seen, but it

1192
00:50:45.480 --> 00:50:47.599
almost looks like a spirit photo from like what we'd

1193
00:50:47.639 --> 00:50:50.840
seen what we captured in the picture, like it's completely translucent,

1194
00:50:50.920 --> 00:50:52.920
you can see through it. But I had a hard

1195
00:50:52.920 --> 00:50:55.280
time categorizing this for years, right, I didn't tell anybody

1196
00:50:55.280 --> 00:50:57.559
about it. I didn't know what to do with this thing,

1197
00:50:57.599 --> 00:50:59.280
because every time I look stuff up, it would come

1198
00:50:59.320 --> 00:51:01.519
back to wind Ago, but the picture wouldn't look like it.

1199
00:51:01.800 --> 00:51:04.599
So I started having farther back into the wind Togo

1200
00:51:04.760 --> 00:51:06.679
and I actually again on Bizarre Encounters to the three

1201
00:51:06.719 --> 00:51:09.159
part series on that stuff too. But what I believe

1202
00:51:09.199 --> 00:51:11.559
I had seen may have been what the natives suscribed

1203
00:51:11.559 --> 00:51:13.920
as a wind togo, And when I started actually looking

1204
00:51:13.920 --> 00:51:16.639
into the lore behind it, where supposedly, you know, you're

1205
00:51:16.639 --> 00:51:19.800
not safe from personnalwfall to last and they say that

1206
00:51:19.880 --> 00:51:21.719
during like the summer months and the warmer months, these

1207
00:51:21.719 --> 00:51:23.960
things go underground, they go into caves, they go places

1208
00:51:23.960 --> 00:51:26.760
that are colder in order to kind of hold themselves

1209
00:51:26.800 --> 00:51:28.639
from decaying more. Is kind of how the story in

1210
00:51:28.639 --> 00:51:31.079
folklore it goes. And at least in these tunnels, it

1211
00:51:31.119 --> 00:51:33.920
was like twenty thirty degrees lower than it was up

1212
00:51:33.920 --> 00:51:37.280
on the surface. So all these weird little connecting factors.

1213
00:51:37.320 --> 00:51:39.719
But that's what started kind of leading me down that

1214
00:51:39.760 --> 00:51:44.000
avenue where I don't think that rakes and piell crawlers.

1215
00:51:44.719 --> 00:51:47.360
There are reports that just recently started popping up, but

1216
00:51:47.519 --> 00:51:49.400
I think that it goes back farther than that. I

1217
00:51:49.400 --> 00:51:53.679
think that we have given dear headed beings the category

1218
00:51:53.719 --> 00:51:55.800
of being called a windygo and that's why you don't

1219
00:51:55.840 --> 00:51:57.920
really find too many reports of that. You may find

1220
00:51:57.960 --> 00:52:00.880
these like weird spiritual type of owners that people will have,

1221
00:52:00.920 --> 00:52:02.400
but I think that those are more often than not

1222
00:52:02.519 --> 00:52:05.519
something else that's disguising themselves as a common phenomenon or

1223
00:52:05.639 --> 00:52:08.000
something like a tolba, like a projected thought idea in

1224
00:52:08.000 --> 00:52:10.719
this specific area. But what most people I think are

1225
00:52:10.719 --> 00:52:13.559
describing as windy goes or as pill crawlers and rakes

1226
00:52:14.239 --> 00:52:17.719
may actually be what Native Americans would refer to as

1227
00:52:17.719 --> 00:52:20.599
the windy goes. And it seems like a lot of

1228
00:52:20.599 --> 00:52:23.920
people have semi aggressive encounters with these things, and that

1229
00:52:23.960 --> 00:52:26.079
again also kind of fits like the wind to go war.

1230
00:52:26.159 --> 00:52:28.400
So I think that the only reason that this seems

1231
00:52:28.400 --> 00:52:30.880
like a relatively new phenomenon it is just because we've

1232
00:52:31.039 --> 00:52:33.639
found a way almost like recategorized it after something that's

1233
00:52:33.719 --> 00:52:35.400
just been lost through time for so long.

1234
00:52:37.159 --> 00:52:41.039
That's extremely interesting. That sounds like a really great series

1235
00:52:41.079 --> 00:52:43.440
to check out. I'm gonna have to check that one out.

1236
00:52:43.519 --> 00:52:48.840
But Shane, this has been such a fascinating conversation and

1237
00:52:48.840 --> 00:52:51.440
we've gone all over the place places I didn't think

1238
00:52:51.480 --> 00:52:54.079
we were going to go, and it's crazy to think

1239
00:52:54.119 --> 00:52:58.320
that almost has been an hour already before we close

1240
00:52:58.400 --> 00:53:01.119
out our conversation. Can can you take a few minutes

1241
00:53:01.239 --> 00:53:04.679
to if you have any closing thoughts or any things

1242
00:53:04.719 --> 00:53:07.639
that you want to make sure listeners know how to

1243
00:53:07.679 --> 00:53:09.800
contact you or how to keep up to date with

1244
00:53:09.960 --> 00:53:10.679
what you're doing.

1245
00:53:11.119 --> 00:53:13.840
Well, if anybody wants to check out my podcast, Increase

1246
00:53:13.840 --> 00:53:16.239
of All Reality is my solo interview show where I

1247
00:53:16.280 --> 00:53:19.920
have people come on and the researchers and experiencers all

1248
00:53:19.920 --> 00:53:21.840
that kind of stuff, just an open minded conversation to

1249
00:53:21.880 --> 00:53:24.039
my talk show. If you guys like the Deep Dot,

1250
00:53:24.039 --> 00:53:25.400
so you guys can go and check out my other show,

1251
00:53:25.440 --> 00:53:27.880
Bizarre Encounters with shanean Oran. I keep all of them

1252
00:53:27.920 --> 00:53:30.639
under a category of Open Minds Media, which is like

1253
00:53:30.719 --> 00:53:33.079
my overall production company, trying to put it all in

1254
00:53:33.079 --> 00:53:35.199
one place to make it easier for everybody. Under that,

1255
00:53:35.239 --> 00:53:37.800
of course, we also do a side show called Bizarre Increase,

1256
00:53:37.840 --> 00:53:40.960
but that's just a short form on Slash once a

1257
00:53:41.000 --> 00:53:43.400
month YouTube show. But if anybody ever wants to go

1258
00:53:43.440 --> 00:53:45.320
and check out anything that I do, you guys can

1259
00:53:45.360 --> 00:53:46.880
go to the link tree, which you'll have links to

1260
00:53:46.920 --> 00:53:48.800
all three of the different shows that I do. It's

1261
00:53:48.920 --> 00:53:53.840
La NK, tr period EE, Slash, Open Underscore Minds Underscore Media,

1262
00:53:54.280 --> 00:53:56.159
and from there, of course I always like to take

1263
00:53:56.199 --> 00:53:58.280
in Encounter Report, So if anybody has anything that they

1264
00:53:58.280 --> 00:54:00.440
would like to report, but you guys can go to

1265
00:54:00.480 --> 00:54:02.559
that link tree and there is a submission forum for

1266
00:54:02.639 --> 00:54:05.239
reporting an encounter. There's also one for contacting me if

1267
00:54:05.239 --> 00:54:06.800
you're somebody that might be interested in coming on my

1268
00:54:06.840 --> 00:54:09.519
show as a guest or you guys can also email

1269
00:54:09.559 --> 00:54:13.079
me at omm encounter Reports at outlook dot com. If again,

1270
00:54:13.159 --> 00:54:16.119
if anybody else wants to submit any encounters.

1271
00:54:16.239 --> 00:54:20.239
That's fantastic, And make sure that you are definitely following

1272
00:54:20.480 --> 00:54:23.880
Shane's feed as I will be going on one of

1273
00:54:23.880 --> 00:54:27.239
his shows sooner than later and I'll be in the

1274
00:54:27.440 --> 00:54:29.599
hot seat, so Shane will be able to ask me

1275
00:54:30.239 --> 00:54:33.679
some questions on his show as well. But thank you

1276
00:54:33.679 --> 00:54:36.039
so much for coming on Shane. It has been a

1277
00:54:36.480 --> 00:54:38.039
very enjoyable time with you.

1278
00:54:38.920 --> 00:54:41.480
Well, I appreciate you having me on your show. Glad

1279
00:54:41.519 --> 00:54:43.440
we're able to finally get around to do this, and

1280
00:54:43.480 --> 00:54:44.960
it was always nice to have a one on one

1281
00:54:44.960 --> 00:54:47.639
conversation with you. After passing me around in the community

1282
00:54:47.639 --> 00:54:49.320
a little bit. You got to stop and talk at

1283
00:54:49.360 --> 00:54:51.079
Small Ti Monster Us for a minute or two there,

1284
00:54:51.119 --> 00:54:53.440
But there's just always something about having that full hour

1285
00:54:53.480 --> 00:54:56.280
conversation one on one that just kind of, you know,

1286
00:54:56.320 --> 00:54:57.480
makes a new friendship.

1287
00:54:57.079 --> 00:55:01.719
Man absolutely Stay tuned for teaser from this week's member

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1293
00:55:21.639 --> 00:55:23.400
I grew up in the woods. I grew up in Oregon.

1294
00:55:23.639 --> 00:55:26.119
I never thought a whole lot about Bigfoot. It's sort

1295
00:55:26.119 --> 00:55:30.119
of that local legend that nobody, uh everybody talks about.

1296
00:55:30.159 --> 00:55:32.679
My dad was a forester and I was taught that

1297
00:55:32.719 --> 00:55:35.159
the forest was the safest place you could be. So

1298
00:55:35.239 --> 00:55:36.880
I have been in the forest my whole life. I

1299
00:55:36.880 --> 00:55:39.880
have never had any experience like that. And I took

1300
00:55:39.960 --> 00:55:42.239
two kids, two of my children down for hike that

1301
00:55:42.360 --> 00:55:47.440
day and we were kind of hiking down a pretty

1302
00:55:47.440 --> 00:55:50.559
remote area. Nobody was there, and I kept getting a

1303
00:55:50.599 --> 00:55:54.559
sense that something was like bias, but I couldn't see anything.

1304
00:55:54.599 --> 00:55:58.199
And I was slightly concerned about a cougar, but not

1305
00:55:58.280 --> 00:56:01.119
really because I've only seen a one time in the wild.

1306
00:56:02.119 --> 00:56:04.320
And my daughter then said, Hey, something I think is

1307
00:56:04.360 --> 00:56:07.639
following us. So it was a little strange but then

1308
00:56:08.039 --> 00:56:11.039
we went out into a big clearing area. Everything was fine.

1309
00:56:11.280 --> 00:56:14.360
There was a space for a kind of a big

1310
00:56:14.400 --> 00:56:16.440
area that was opened, so we decided how a picnic.

1311
00:56:17.320 --> 00:56:20.760
We started hearing this banging coming, and I actually had

1312
00:56:20.760 --> 00:56:22.079
no idea banging.

1313
00:56:21.840 --> 00:56:23.400
Is associated with bigfoot.

1314
00:56:23.679 --> 00:56:27.519
I just never paid attention. And my kids.

1315
00:56:27.280 --> 00:56:28.360
Were like, what is that noise?

1316
00:56:28.400 --> 00:56:29.800
And I was trying to figure it out, and I

1317
00:56:29.800 --> 00:56:33.360
couldn't identify the noise. I was like, it's not a beaver,

1318
00:56:33.800 --> 00:56:36.800
it's not elk running, you know. There was nothing that

1319
00:56:36.840 --> 00:56:42.400
it made sense in my brain. And pretty soon it

1320
00:56:42.559 --> 00:56:45.880
started kind of from where we had came down the hill,

1321
00:56:45.920 --> 00:56:46.320
because we.

1322
00:56:46.280 --> 00:56:47.840
Went down about a mile and a half.

1323
00:56:48.800 --> 00:56:51.000
There was the same knocking on that side, and we

1324
00:56:51.119 --> 00:56:55.199
realized that the two knocking sounds sounded like they were communicating,

1325
00:56:55.280 --> 00:56:57.840
like one would knock like three times and the other

1326
00:56:57.880 --> 00:57:01.039
one would knock a minute or two once or twice,

1327
00:57:01.639 --> 00:57:05.320
but never more than like four times, and so we

1328
00:57:05.320 --> 00:57:06.920
were just listening to it. I was like, is it

1329
00:57:06.960 --> 00:57:10.639
an echo? I was really just in my uh very

1330
00:57:10.679 --> 00:57:15.679
cerebral brain trying to understand it. But all of a sudden,

1331
00:57:15.719 --> 00:57:17.880
it sounded like the noises were getting closer like it

1332
00:57:17.920 --> 00:57:20.119
was coming. Both were coming closer to us, so I

1333
00:57:20.280 --> 00:57:23.599
kind of shouted out, like hello, thinking maybe somebody was

1334
00:57:23.639 --> 00:57:26.000
down there working, maybe somebody didn't know we were there,

1335
00:57:26.039 --> 00:57:31.480
and we didn't want to spook them. No response, still

1336
00:57:31.519 --> 00:57:34.800
having our picnic, not concerned at this point, just kind

1337
00:57:34.840 --> 00:57:38.960
of like this is interesting. And then suddenly on the

1338
00:57:39.079 --> 00:57:41.800
side where we were supposed to keep going, it was

1339
00:57:42.000 --> 00:57:45.599
so close. I would I'm not really great with distance,

1340
00:57:45.639 --> 00:57:49.480
but I would say maybe a half a block, And

1341
00:57:49.559 --> 00:57:51.840
at that point there was kind of a thick of

1342
00:57:52.039 --> 00:57:55.760
trees and this tree started to flee back and forth

1343
00:57:55.960 --> 00:57:59.840
like it was, you know, a blade of grass almost,

1344
00:58:00.000 --> 00:58:02.039
And that's when I got scared, and I thought maybe

1345
00:58:02.039 --> 00:58:05.920
a bear. But I've never I've encounteredbearer and bear run

1346
00:58:05.960 --> 00:58:11.880
from you. In Oregon, we don't have violent bears. And

1347
00:58:12.239 --> 00:58:15.559
at that point we started smelling the smell that it

1348
00:58:15.840 --> 00:58:21.039
smelled like wet mossy muck is what it smelled like,

1349
00:58:21.199 --> 00:58:24.079
just kind of funk, and we were like, what is

1350
00:58:24.119 --> 00:58:26.559
going on? At that point, I started to get scared.

1351
00:58:26.800 --> 00:58:30.599
It never crossed my mind bigfoot. At that point. I

1352
00:58:30.760 --> 00:58:32.800
was just kind of like, there's something going on and

1353
00:58:32.840 --> 00:58:34.719
we don't need to be here, and I don't know

1354
00:58:34.760 --> 00:58:36.519
what to do because I didn't feel like I could

1355
00:58:36.519 --> 00:58:39.320
go forward past that whatever that was, and in that

1356
00:58:39.360 --> 00:58:41.880
thicket of trees, I didn't feel like I could take

1357
00:58:41.920 --> 00:58:43.519
my kids back the other way. My kids, I think,

1358
00:58:43.559 --> 00:58:49.360
were about eight and twelve at the time. Long story short,

1359
00:58:49.400 --> 00:58:52.119
I still get chills telling it. It's so scary, Long

1360
00:58:52.119 --> 00:58:54.440
story short, I just kind of froze, and for the

1361
00:58:54.440 --> 00:58:57.159
first time and only time in my entire life, I

1362
00:58:57.199 --> 00:58:59.480
tried to call nineven one because I was like, someone's

1363
00:58:59.480 --> 00:59:01.280
got to get us, like we don't have any way

1364
00:59:01.280 --> 00:59:03.760
out of this, and there was no signal. But I

1365
00:59:03.840 --> 00:59:06.559
had downloaded the map earlier that day because we'd never

1366
00:59:06.599 --> 00:59:09.360
been there, and when I downloaded the map, I pulled

1367
00:59:09.360 --> 00:59:11.119
it back up. I had it on my phone, and

1368
00:59:11.159 --> 00:59:13.400
I saw there was like a service trail that was

1369
00:59:13.519 --> 00:59:16.199
roughly where we were, straight up to the top where

1370
00:59:16.199 --> 00:59:19.440
the parking lot was. So I started hunting for it

1371
00:59:19.480 --> 00:59:21.840
and I could kind of see this skinny trail out

1372
00:59:22.480 --> 00:59:24.400
and I finally I talked to the kids and I

1373
00:59:24.519 --> 00:59:25.559
was like, well, we're not going to.

1374
00:59:25.599 --> 00:59:28.199
Go either one of those ways, so we're going.

1375
00:59:28.159 --> 00:59:29.880
To have to go up that trail. At that point,

1376
00:59:29.880 --> 00:59:32.360
the knocking is getting louder and louder and louder, and

1377
00:59:32.360 --> 00:59:35.199
then my kids were like, look, and I didn't see

1378
00:59:35.199 --> 00:59:37.440
a face. I didn't see a whole thing, but it

1379
00:59:37.599 --> 00:59:42.559
was a very large, very dark creature in this thicket

1380
00:59:42.679 --> 00:59:47.719
of maybe ten to fifteen kind of skinny trees. When

1381
00:59:47.760 --> 00:59:50.079
I say skinny trees, I mean skinny Oregon trees, so

1382
00:59:50.239 --> 00:59:52.760
like you couldn't wrap your hands around, but not like

1383
00:59:52.840 --> 00:59:56.719
dugfur trees, not giant trees. So we could just see

1384
00:59:56.760 --> 01:00:01.559
this like darkness, this big, dark, shadowy thing, and we

1385
01:00:01.559 --> 01:00:05.360
were like, go now, and so we were crying. I

1386
01:00:05.400 --> 01:00:08.519
still wasn't I thought. I remember thinking, this is so

1387
01:00:08.599 --> 01:00:11.079
weird now, like it was a bear with rabies. I

1388
01:00:11.079 --> 01:00:13.079
don't even know if bears get rabies, but that's the

1389
01:00:13.119 --> 01:00:15.400
only thing that my brain could compute. Because this thing

1390
01:00:15.519 --> 01:00:18.719
was not afraid of us. It was coming closer and

1391
01:00:19.039 --> 01:00:22.400
the whacking was getting more intense. My kids were crying.

1392
01:00:22.480 --> 01:00:25.679
I was crying, and I finally said, listen, we're going

1393
01:00:25.760 --> 01:00:29.119
to head up that trail, and I told them it's

1394
01:00:29.159 --> 01:00:32.679
still so scary. I told them that they had to

1395
01:00:32.719 --> 01:00:34.400
go first, and I was going to go last, and

1396
01:00:34.400 --> 01:00:37.239
that if they heard anything, they were to run as

1397
01:00:37.280 --> 01:00:39.159
fast as they could until they hit the road because

1398
01:00:39.239 --> 01:00:40.840
I didn't know if this thing was going to come

1399
01:00:40.920 --> 01:00:41.440
after us.

1400
01:00:41.519 --> 01:00:44.239
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01:01:11.760 --> 01:01:15.159
at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com or pass on

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my email.

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Here's the list.

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If you've had any encounters in Oregon, which I'm sure

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there's probably a few of you out there, please feel

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free to reach out immediately. You can use email Bigfoot

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Society at gmail dot com. A special thank you to

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all the Bigfoot Society, Patreon and YouTube channel members. It's

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your support that helps keep the show going and I

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extremely appreciate it. If you want to join in the fun,

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you can join over at Patreon dot com. Forward Slash

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the Bigfoot Society. I'll see you there and again, thanks

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for listening.

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Her and I can get on here, we can tell

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our stories.

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Maybe there's somebody else out there listening.

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That's too afraid to tell their story.

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Maybe this will.

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Give them the courage to come out. And now it

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feels so bad about it. Who cares what anybody thinks.

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I know what I saw, I know what's out there.

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That's all I care about.

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Please let people know, Please let them know.

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If you've ever seen one of.

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These things, you need to.

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Tell, because if you don't, then shame on you.

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You have.

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Shame on you.