"The Intersection of Myth and Metaphysics: Bigfoot as a Window to the Unknown"

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back to another episode of the Bigfoot Society

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Podcasts. Have got Josh with me
tonight, and I'm going to go ahead

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and have Josh introduce himself acquaintances on
Instagram, but I love you to go

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ahead and introduce who you are and
I can tell that you've got a North

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American Bigfoot Center shirt on. So
so obviously you're into the squash, so

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go ahead and let the listeners know
all about that too. Sure. Yeah.

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So my name's Josh. I'm from
Georgia and I've been into Bigfoot since

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I was like eight years old.
I found a library book in my private

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Christian school library that is on Bigfoot
and Locknest Monster, and I went,

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oh boy, Yeah. Nobody told
me that this was an option for cool

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things that you could look into,
and so I read it and I went,

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you know, there's this is amazing. Yeah. I was fiffy on

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the lock this Monster, but after
seeing it had images screenshots of the Patterson

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Gimlin film, and it just awakened
this interest in me. And when I

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was sixteen, I found the bfro
dot net site. This is back in

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the ninth so I just poured powered
through hundreds of hours of reading every single

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account I could get my hands on
that database and others, and it just

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amazed me how consistent of a profile
of behavior and morphology and everything that all

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these people were reporting. And I
started asking people that I respected, so

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what's up a big business real?
And I had so many people just dismissed

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the idea out of hand, But
after reading literally hundreds of hours of re

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quarters, I went, I just
I don't agree. Where there's smoke,

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there's fire, and I just I
don't have a view of humanity that allows

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me to imagine all of these people
going through the time and effort to make

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up incredibly consistent reports just to be
lying. And so I think that's for

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me. That's one of the most
fascinating things about bigfoot I've ever seen one.

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I've been to a couple of places
that are here in the Southeast where

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I've I'm looking for them, and
I've found a number of stick structures actually,

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and we can talk. For me, the most engaging thing about it

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is that I just love thinking about
it from the perspective of the psychology behind

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it. Why is it that is
a society categor I with the way that

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we do. It's really interesting.
When did you get into bigfoot? It's

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two different things, and I think
you'll find one of them really interesting because

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you mentioned that you went to a
you said small private Christian school. Started

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out probably I was like around maybe
eight or nine, and I was watching

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in Search of with amoy with my
dad. So that was you see the

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film and you're like, whoa,
everyone stopped? Did you see this?

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Did you know about this? And
it was yeah, okay, whatever,

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blah blah blah. And then so
that kind of died out. And then

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so I grew up in New England
and so I was like around all this

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crazy stuff, but I wasn't into
cryptos cryptosiology stuff at that time, so

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I missed out all a lot.
But then so I was at a so

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fast forward, I'm in central I
went out right, so I am So

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I'm at a small religious school and
where it's like there's a chapel service every

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Wednesday. Yeah for me, I
don't know how the I need to get

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the guy on the podcast. So
this guy comes in who's really cool dude.

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I can't think of his name right
now, but he is a he's

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a Christian in a dinosaurs but also
into cryptozoology. And he goes off about

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so you're like barely awake as a
college like sophomore or whatever. In the

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background, you're like, just get
me out of here. I want to

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get through this. And like all
of a sudden, this guy is talking

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about and I went to Papa New
Guinea and here's the pterodactyls flying around with

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bioluminescence, and everyone's huh really,
and then he's like, Papua New Guinea,

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that's news. Yes, yes,
but that's really cool because it can

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tie into like cryptids like the Van
Meter visitor in Iowa where it's like like

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a pterodactyl type creature where it was
like a light that shot out of its

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head. I don't know if you
heard about that one, but that's a

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really fun one in Iowa anyways,
So I was that was for me,

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was like a like that that was
fifteen years ago, so it's been a

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while. And then when I get
to the point where I'm like, you're,

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oh, yeah, I could totally. It's got more and more into

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it and finding bigfoot stuff like that, and then I was like, oh,

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I should totally do a podcast.
And then I was like, I've

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got all this extra time now,
and I actually had wanted I started last

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year, so I had the stuff
already and then I had all this extra

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free time, so I was just
like, let's go for it. Because

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of COVID, also they would record
the Chapel services. This one Chapel recording

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got magically erased from existence and that
in the front office. Yeah, it's

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like when he got off the stage, one of the the people came up,

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he's like, oh that was nice, thank you, okay to class,

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and I was like, oh,
man, like that was actually I

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really enjoyed it. But so I've
had a weird like crypted journey and yeah,

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yeah, I like the having this
podcast because I like to My goal

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is to get the story behind people
that are in the crypted community that don't

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really you don't really get to see
that the story of the person, and

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you get to also hear about cryptids
as well. But it's i'd say it

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like an NPR, this American life
in the crypto zoology community. It's weird,

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but I enjoy it and it makes
it for a lot of love.

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So yeah, I love that,
and I totally agree. There's so many

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people out there that have incredibly worthwhile
stories to hear. Their stories are worth

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hearing whether or not they achieve some
sort of commercial thing, right. That's

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we value people whether or not they
have a PhD or they've got a million

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subscribers. That mean human beings are
human beings, whether they've done something to

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titilate the world or not, and
their stories and their opinions matter. Now,

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don't get me wrong. I've met
a I ran into a guy who

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told me that he got abducted by
the police and tortured in the basement,

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and the whole time I was talking
to him and I was like, I

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really do believe you've got some trauma
and some mental health problems. I'm not

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the person that believes everything that they
hear. But at the same time,

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I've had experiences with I've had supernatural
experiences. I've had prophetic experiences when I

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was eighteen and I was a good
little Presbyterian kid who was at that's interesting

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Presbyterian church. But like prophetic experiences, you said, that's very interesting,

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and again this is and I'll go
into that a little bit okay to me.

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That's one of the reasons why I
take Bigfoot and other supernatural paranormal experiences

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that people have seriously, and I'm
open minded to it because in reality,

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with you, people talk about in
my community, they talk about being a

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Bible believing Christian right, and if
the Bible, what you believe in is

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that we are in an interdimensional,
multi millennial intergalactic war and that and that

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demonic angelic beings have created hybrid entities
with humans on Earth. That's what you

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believe, At least to me,
that's the only responsible reading of that Genesis

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passage. And they're pop I was
going to say, you are alluding to

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Genesis six eight, correct, I
am, yeah. And so I've actually

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gone in there, and I've studied
the Hebrew and I actually wrote a paper

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about the continued lineage on a keeing
in the and I handed it into my

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professor and he read it and he
went, yeah, this is really good.

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I agree, this is great stuff. It never really occurred to me

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to read all of those passages about
Goliath all of the other giants as really

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a pastoral message to the people,
saying God is trying to reinforce to them.

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Look, I'm aware of what you're
up against, and I'm with you.

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You are not alone in this cosmic, supernatural fight. And so if

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you try to diminish the supernaturalness of
the passage in order to try to tame

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what the Bible is saying, you
are really trying to steal the thunder from

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the force of the passage. And
you're trying to water down this message of

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God being with and for his people. So I'm not trying to do God

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any favors and tell him it is
not as weird as he tells me.

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It is. To me, the
most interesting part of that passage is that

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when it talks about the sons of
God mating with the daughters of Man,

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that phrase sons of God has been
at Elohim in the Key group. There

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is no other place anywhere in the
Old Testament where that does not obviously and

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explicitly mean the angels of the heavenly
Realm. So people who try to smudge

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that and say the Bible doesn't really
talk about angelic hybridization, I think it's

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irresponsible metaphysic right there, that that
is I like it. That's some crazy

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stuff. So let's break it down. For Let's say you have a person

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that's listening to this and they're like, holy mackerel, what is he talking

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about. I don't even know what
Genesis is and he's talking about six and

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the eight and the annex and what's
going on? So how would you take

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something like that? And what does
that tie into cryptos or cryptozoology? What

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do you what are you talking about? There. So for me one of

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the reasons why I took that passage
really seriously and I looked into this whole

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hybridization lineage because it's not a singular
phenomenon. It's talking about a range of

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time where this general phenomenon was occurring. And I find it very interesting that

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everything from the Epic of Gilgamesh through
pretty much every other major world religion that's

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got the creation muthos, that mythos
that tie that far back will incorporate things

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like the flood and human hybrid pretty
much all them. Wow, like Humbaba

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and the Epic of Gilgamesh and Ki
and Kaidu is this hairy man that Gilgamesh

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runs around with. Obviously, all
of these major world religions are pointing backwards

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to a similar set of phenomenon.
I believe that Jesus is real and the

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Bible's worth trusting, and so I'm
gonna put my piton in the Bible.

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But that doesn't mean that Robbie Zacharias
is a Christian who I really like.

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He says, if you can make
fun of any major world religion, you've

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missed the vote, because they've got
something that they got really right. And

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in many ways probably better than Christianity
got right historically. So having a disrespectful

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attitude towards other sets of creation myths
and other world religions is in myopic and

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again going to do your religion and
do your God a favor that your God

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doesn't need. Right, if you
can't interact respectfully with the history of all

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these other things, you waste.
So that on a cheme, are the

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descendants of a specific set of interactions
between these angels and humans in the region

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around basically the Fertile Crescent around like
Israel, Iran, Iraq, around east

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and at least right, and they
continue to show up throughout. And these

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are huge guys that are eight nine
feet tall. Oh wow. At first

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I looked at all that and I
went, Bigfoot's huge, right, Maybe

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it is a descendant of these guys. But the more I looked into it,

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the more I realized, I really
don't think that's what they're talking about.

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And so I backed up and went, how does how can these guys

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fit into a pair of time of
humanity? We'll be back with more Bigfoot

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society after these words from our sponsors
that the Bible talks about and for me.

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Really, you have to put that
down and step back for a bit

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and look at just the scientific research
that's been going on, especially for the

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last two decades, where we've been
able to extract all this DNA from and

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bones from the Iberian Peninsula around Spain
and everything where we've got Homo Heidelbergensis and

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Neanderthalensis DNA, and we've shown hybridization
events between humans and these other hominids.

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And I actually to Jeff Meldrum and
chatted with him online a little bit about

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this. Okay, it was great. He very He's a very conservative guy.

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He's exactly very religious. YEP.
I would love to get a conversation

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with him about the intersection of his
religion and his views of Oh man,

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yeah, that would be great one
that. Yeah, you got to get

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him on and talk to him about
that. So a question for you,

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So, do you have your own
podcast then or like you alluded to it?

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Okay, no, right now I'm
doing a D and D podcast that

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I don't have anything that's amazing.
I love it. But so the way

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I'm looking at it is I'm like
going up by tears. So I have

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like my tier a guest and then
eventually I'll get up to tier B and

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tier C and Tier D, and
so I'm I don't know. I feel

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like I almost have to earn the
right to be like, hey, doctor

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Meldrum, come on my podcast like
that. I can't just jump to that.

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It's some weird thing I have.
So I'm just I'm working to it.

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You know you have not because he
asked that true act. Really,

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yeah, it's probably shrewd to have
some good episodes behind it, exactly.

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But anyways, stepping aside this all
this crazy nepheline stuff and looking at the

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hard science behind what it means to
be in the genus Homo, We've got

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at this point a dozen different members
of the genus Homo that are preferentially bipedal,

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meaning whether or not they can be
on their knuckles for moving around,

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clearly preferred to be on two feet. And Jeff again, Jeff melt and

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allowed us comes back to him.
He's written some incredible papers, and I've

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spent quite a few hours digging and
chipping and clawing my way through the technical

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terminology of his papers and everything.
But at the end of the day,

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he's Hey, and a lot of
others have done some incredible work to show

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the morphological transition and the feet,
the legs, the hips, the whole

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body between what it means to be
a chimpanzee and what it means to be

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us. We've got used metatarsal in
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an arch And so when you look
at all this science, clearly what it

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means to be human is not just
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think that's really threatening for a lot
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Christians look at this whole Sasquatch issue
and they are dragging in decades century old

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debate of the missing link, right, and so they use this kind of

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religious dogmatic initial reaction to try to
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and they push it away. But
I really don't think you need to.

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I think that what it means to
be human is still a very sacred and

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very spiritual thing. And I've got
friends who claim to have done mind speak

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with big Puts. Right. Wow, Yeah, that they're wrong. That's

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a totally that's a cold conversation itself, like mine speak with with sad squatch.

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That's yeah, that's very interesting.
That's not in Georgia. Those friends

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are the friend that I have who
is I'll leave her name out of it

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just because that's fine. Illicitly asked
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she. And this is what's interesting
is a lot of what she says also

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synks up with what Melbourn Ketcham says
about how these things are spiritual. They're

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not animals. They've got language,
they've got a religious they've got a spiritual

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worldview, not a religious but a
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talks about how they have a very
different relationship with the material world in

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us, that they're kind of after
life experience is very different than ours.

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That's very interesting to think about.
I've never contemplated that before. That would

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be a totally new conversation there,
like their after life. Let's hover here

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for a minute, right, So
what do you think about orbs, these

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light ors, these light views.
Okay, so this is the here's a

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weird thing. You definitely start to
see similarities in the stories, and you

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can almost guess there's going to be
an ORB talked about coming up. And

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it's every time, and I've said
this in other episodes. One of my

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favorite stories, so far is the
Rick Frellis episode I've had where he's talking

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about being in Backbone State Park in
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he's they're in the park and they're
looking ahead and they see a few orbs

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and they're like, those orbs are
fantastic. And then they hear something behind

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them and there's a squatch in the
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which totally blew my mind because I've
never heard a story like that,

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and that's one of the most favorite
stories I've had that's come out of this

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podcast so far. But yeah,
definitely that comes up all the time,

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the whole orb there's a connection there
for real and her belief and her what

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she's conveyed to me is that these
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I don't know about majority because I'm
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but I've heard it a lot,
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the worldview of a lot of First
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in fact entities that have passed on
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But the other interesting thing that she
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a kind of a spectrum of participation
that these people have in the supernatural world

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that is available to them by birthright. And her perspective that she says that

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she's received directly my mind speak and
everything. And keep in mind, the

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reason why I'm not sure that she's
wrong is because when I met her,

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she showed me a binder, this
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and I started flipping through them,
and I went, this is like

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you pile, you can see the
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These are like really clear. Some
of them are like holy crap. Either

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this woman dedicated a tremendous amount of
time and effort to putting her husband in

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a mask in the woods and taking
pictures or this. I've gone with her

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and I've spent time around her,
and I have not seen any sign of

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mental illness orfulness. She's an incredible, kind and wholesome and honest person.

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And so that's what's so wild is
it for me? Again? I've got

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adds. I apologize I'm jumping through
topics, but I've had prophetic experiences that

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I didn't not really see coming or
asked for. And I have been in

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locations where people have done wika and
have invoked a lot of spirits and gotten

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the place good and churned up,
and have seen objects flying across the room.

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I've seen physically affected by demonic entities. I've been in the presence of

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them, and this is not I
feel weird enough. I could tell you

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with the certainty with which I'm either
in the room with a gorilla or not,

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that I was in the room with
demonic entities. So I believe you

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one hundred percent, because if you
look at different things that happen in the

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New Testament, that stuff is real
and you got to be aware of it,

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and mand you got to be careful
messing arout with stuff because that stuff

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is real. People don't understand this
isn't just movie stuff. This is real

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life, and it can affect you
and your family like it's legit. Yeah.

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The only difference between me and people
pursue a much more New Age and

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or explicitly within half is this belief
about the nature of the entities that they're

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interacting with. They and I have
the same level of certainty that these entities

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exist. I don't believe that it's
wise to bargain with them, and that

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they are purely benevolent, and I've
seen evidence of that. When I was

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exercising a building with a friend two
friends, when we got to the very

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end of the building and we had
corralled everything out to the end, he

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got physically affected by this demon and
suddenly all of his hearing was almost completely

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gone. He said it was like
cotton swabs and mix it with wax and

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jammed it down his ear canals,
and he was fully nauseated, and so

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he was double that was wild.
Is when this happened. It wasn't weird

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to me. It wasn't scary to
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how I'm so cool or whatever.
But in that moment, I also just

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very clearly felt the presence of God, and very clearly felt that God was

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letting this happen for a reason.
And so all of very interesting experiences that

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I've had have only confirmed to me
that the God that I believe in is

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real and is near me and everything, and I've asked myself that question a

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few times. When I met this
friend who lives a few hours away,

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also in the southeast, and I
stayed with her. When I met her

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and I talked to her for a
while and then I went to stay with

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her. When I to stay with
her, she said, yeah, when

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I first met you, I like, I saw this gold aura around you.

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You've got to fear yeah, And
I was like, wow, I

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can believe that without being egotistical or
anything. I've bumped up against the supernatural

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a lot of times, and so
part of me wonder is if that isn't

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part of why I haven't had more
success in the Sasquatch area. It's just

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one of those weird Okay, Yeah, I can see how you're tying it

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together. A lot of people who
say that they run into them and then

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suddenly they see them more and more. And the skeptic the synate would say,

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oh, sure, if you're gonna
lie once, you're gonna lie a

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whole bunch of times. Me.
That makes complete sense. If you once

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you've seen one, you've broken through
the shell and there's the gig is up.

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There's no problem with them letting you
see them. More right, Okay,

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So I want to touch on something. So you think that once you

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see one, then your eyes are
going to be It's like when you get

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a car and then you notice that
car everywhere else, you think it's I'm

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talking about like, oh, look
at all those Volvos. Kind that I

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own a Volvo now? Or do
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I don't know, could go a
different to a certain degree. I

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think that to a certain degree,
if these things are capable of a certain

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level of supernatural connection, call it
quantum connection to the world around us that

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we don't have, then it makes
sense that once you have seen them once

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you are no longer in the category
of human beings that need to be prevented

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from seeing them. And again,
I'm probably just going to reference what my

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friend told me a million times in
this interview, because she's got much more

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concrete and interesting opinions about this stuff
than me. I say, opinion not

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condescending or demeaning. Exactly, this
is what she's told me. Her statements

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have been that these things have rules
that they generally abide by. Now there

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are plans of them that do not
There are plans of them that are the

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equivalent of evil or bad. They're
the minority, which makes sense because you've

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got so many accounts of children and
injured adults being returned to their families and

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being returned to the path that they
wundered from by these things. And then

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you've got places amount Saint Helen's pre
explosion. No Native American guide would take

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a white person up there. They
would say, you're crazy. The Cannibal

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Harry Cannibal's look up there. We
don't go up there. We'll be back

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with more Bigfoot society after these words
from our sponsors. If these things are

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real, and I do believe that
they're real, I'm utterly convinced, on

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the evidence of Jeff Meltrim alone,
this whole metatarsal ridge thing, that there

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is a bipedal creature in North America
that is leaving prince that clearly lack a

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mid tarsal arch that clearly exhibit mid
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our hand right here in the center
that flexes and the foot is fused.

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You can see the pressure ridge of
sand that's being pushed up by the front

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half of the foot being in contact
with the ground. When the back half

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of the foot lifts up and the
foot pushes back, and you can see

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at pressure ridge in muddy footprints that
have been petrified that are one and two

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hundred thousand years old in Africa from
other hominids. This is pretty much ubiquitous

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across the footprints that we have of
sasquatch. It's true of all of these

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extremely ancient footprints that we have that
are petrified. Clearly, this is a

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scientifically verifiable morphological trait in a pre
homo sapient hominid. So there's something out

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there making them, right, ei, there are something out there making it.

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Yeah, it's not just a random
bunch of dudes traveling around the US

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with fake feet. There's no way. Yeah. Yeah. And you've got

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so many people with first hand accounts
direct mind speak who don't show any other

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sign of mental illness anywhere in their
lives, don't show any other sign of

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lack of integrity or a lack of
trustworthiness. These are people with PhDs,

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people who are professional law enforcement state
level. So for me to dismiss all

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of that out of hand because it's
weird, I really can't do that.

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Because when I was eighteen, I
showed up at a prophetic equipping conference at

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a church that I did some research
on. I showed up at the difference

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and I pull out my pen and
my notepad because I'm a Presian and what

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you're used to is being preached at
for an hour at a time and downloading

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intellectual information about God. And so
I show up and they say, Okay,

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put away your pen and pencil.
There's no method here. Method is

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witchcraft and that's not what we're doing. This is just you talking to God.

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Let's all just get up and find
somebody and talk to them and say,

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Hey, God, if you want
to say anything to this person through

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me, go for it. I'm
available. And that's a little more,

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a little more succinct than they said
it, but that's the force of it.

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So it's similar to like speaking in
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Yeah. So that's the other thing. Yeah, I up at this,

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and I'll make this really quick.
I show up at the church. I'm

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standing in the back of the church, and at the end of the service,

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they say, okay, everybody stand
up and hold hands. So all

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one hundred people in the church hold
hands. Okay, at what point somebody

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says, Lord, if there's anybody
who needs to pray in a tongue or

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prophesy or receiving these spiritual gift,
let them whatever. And when they said

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that, I started feeling this something
in the pit of my stomach. And

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they kept they were praying about like
the President of the United States or something

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by the time this happened, but
it started when they prayed about that,

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and suddenly I felt it was like
when you take one of those hand pumps

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and you crank it and you can
hear the water coming up. Gotcha that

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sympathetic that sound way of getting shorter
and shorter. I could tell something was

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about to come out of my mouth, and I went, okay, I'm

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in church, Okay, all right, I'll let this out. And I

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just started boom wow, me speaking
in this other language that I had tried

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to fake speaking in a tongue before, because I've heard other people say,

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oh yeah, I could pray in
a tongue, and they went, you

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have a right. Yeah, that's
the thing that's when people try to do

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it. Yeah, that's not preting
to that's just making gibberis exactly I was

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not repeating phonemes. I was making
lots of different sounds, sounds that I

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had never made when I tried to
fake it, and it was clearly flowing

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out of me at a speed that
I was not responsible for. So I

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slapped my hands of a hand over
my mouth, because again, I'm a

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good Presbyterian kid that doesn't leave them, still does anything wild, And over

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time I was able to ease that
anxiety and lean into it. So that

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happens at one point, and then
later a few years later, I go

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to this prophetic equipping conference. This
guy walks up to me and we meet

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up. We say, okay,
we'll be partners, and so he prays

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over me and he says a bunch
of stuff that is very accurate and very

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relevant and very encouraging, and I
go, whatever, every guy my ate.

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Of course, he's telling me things
about working with youth and stuff,

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blah bah blah blah. Really great
attitude for showing up at a prophetic equipping

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coupage. Right, And then I
look at him and I just boom the

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moment I look at him and I
say, all right, lord, what

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do you want to tell me?
I see this clear image of this kid

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who has been put in time out
by his mom and she's forgotten. And

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then I clear see a student sitting
in a desk at detention and he's looking

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up at the clock and I don't
know what time it is on the clock.

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With the point is as he's looking
at the clock, he knows he's

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been forgotten and left and no one
is coming. And then I'm like,

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okay, anything else, Santa Barbara, California. I went, Lord,

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I've really put myself out, Santa
Barbara, California, San O Barbara,

403
00:36:30.159 --> 00:36:35.960
California. I've gone out on a
limb here. This is embarrassing, this

404
00:36:36.039 --> 00:36:39.679
is I'm vulnerable here. If you
could do me a favor and not just

405
00:36:40.000 --> 00:36:45.719
allow mental salad to go flowing through
my brain. I'm trying to do prophits

406
00:36:45.760 --> 00:36:51.719
here. And I immediately knew that
I just needed to tell him what I

407
00:36:51.760 --> 00:36:54.119
heard. So I told him and
when I said Santa Barbara, California,

408
00:36:54.400 --> 00:37:00.280
he literally stumbled backwards a little bit, and I saw the blood begin to

409
00:37:00.360 --> 00:37:04.280
drain from his face. And I
should point out to you this guy had

410
00:37:04.320 --> 00:37:09.000
a thick cowboy mustache, flatsher belt, buckle, wrangler jeans, cowboy boots.

411
00:37:09.039 --> 00:37:13.840
Everything about this man scream Texas.
So if I'm getting a monk with

412
00:37:13.920 --> 00:37:22.639
any kind of human level connection,
it's going to be San Antonio. Have

413
00:37:22.719 --> 00:37:27.760
nothing to do with anything about this
man. So he stumbles backwards and I

414
00:37:27.800 --> 00:37:32.880
said, does that mean anything to
you? He goes. I spent years

415
00:37:32.920 --> 00:37:37.119
in prison in Santa Barbara, California. I got to go it turns out

416
00:37:37.159 --> 00:37:46.400
and run okay, bye to And
that happened five more times where I had

417
00:37:46.519 --> 00:37:52.599
that weekend in the space of the
next seventy two hours where I stopped and

418
00:37:52.639 --> 00:37:54.519
I looked at a person and I
said, Lord, what do you want

419
00:37:54.559 --> 00:38:00.000
me to tell him? And the
craziest one is there's there was this cryptographic

420
00:38:00.519 --> 00:38:06.519
hash key on it where I looked
at this girl and I said, all

421
00:38:06.599 --> 00:38:13.360
right, I see this stream with
a current flowing in it, and there's

422
00:38:13.480 --> 00:38:17.719
like a path within the current.
And I see this wave like from the

423
00:38:17.760 --> 00:38:24.079
ocean, like finding Nemo. Yeah, I'm not and I have no idea

424
00:38:24.119 --> 00:38:28.679
what any of this means. And
I'm thinking, why am I thinking about

425
00:38:28.679 --> 00:38:32.679
a Disney film when I'm in the
middle of trying to tell this woman what

426
00:38:32.760 --> 00:38:38.199
I think God is telling me.
So I tell her this and I say,

427
00:38:38.239 --> 00:38:42.599
I see the stream current path.
I see a wave, and she

428
00:38:42.760 --> 00:38:45.719
cuts me off and says, like
finding me. I see it away from

429
00:38:45.719 --> 00:38:52.480
the ocean, like finding Nemo.
I'm like, yes, very much like

430
00:38:52.519 --> 00:38:59.360
finding Nemo. Stuff like that was
happening all the Wow. The force of

431
00:38:59.400 --> 00:39:01.039
all and I don't need to get
into all the rest of it, but

432
00:39:01.079 --> 00:39:07.119
the force of it is. I
am utterly convinced that God is real,

433
00:39:07.400 --> 00:39:13.599
and for other reasons besides that I've
seen other miraculous things. My point is

434
00:39:13.639 --> 00:39:21.199
that the phenomenon of mind speaking is
in the Bible. I don't know what

435
00:39:21.239 --> 00:39:28.079
you would call prophetic words or prophetic
utterances, if not mind speak, it's

436
00:39:28.159 --> 00:39:35.079
God's speaking. From a Christian metaphysics
point of view. If you believe that

437
00:39:35.400 --> 00:39:42.039
God is doing this, and then
you look everywhere else at all of the

438
00:39:42.239 --> 00:39:47.079
other miraculous events of the Old and
New Testament, and you realize that none

439
00:39:47.079 --> 00:39:55.360
of them are really in just abject
defiant and just way off and left field

440
00:39:55.760 --> 00:40:01.119
aberration from nature. They are in
some way an object lesson which is not

441
00:40:01.199 --> 00:40:05.360
to say that they're not real or
metaphorical. I think they really happen.

442
00:40:06.000 --> 00:40:09.320
But all of the things that God
is doing in all these other places are

443
00:40:09.440 --> 00:40:15.239
somehow metaphysically tied into the nature of
reality, and he's trying to get your

444
00:40:15.239 --> 00:40:19.119
attention and tell you something real.
I don't know why you would look at

445
00:40:19.159 --> 00:40:27.119
that and that at prophetic utterances and
say, clearly, the only way that

446
00:40:27.199 --> 00:40:32.199
that's real is directly between God and
man. Right, Because I've also heard

447
00:40:32.280 --> 00:40:39.360
a number of very reliable witnesses talk
about astral projection, I think that astral

448
00:40:39.360 --> 00:40:45.199
projection is absolutely a real thing.
Sindbad. On an interview with Pete Holmes

449
00:40:45.199 --> 00:40:47.239
on that You Made It Weird podcast
was talked about with the young man.

450
00:40:47.280 --> 00:40:52.519
Did you hear that episode? I
haven't heard that. I know that podcast

451
00:40:52.599 --> 00:40:55.519
is pretty wild and crazy. Yeah, I have to check out that episode

452
00:40:55.519 --> 00:40:59.559
though, you should. He gets
into it. He talks to his dad,

453
00:40:59.599 --> 00:41:02.320
who's a deacon in the Baptist Hey, dad is real, and his

454
00:41:02.480 --> 00:41:07.000
dad goes less real, You don't
want to mess with it. It's real.

455
00:41:07.400 --> 00:41:10.880
Wow, that's with it. And
he projected to his parents' house and

456
00:41:12.000 --> 00:41:16.000
saw particular package and saw them open
the package and take a particular object out

457
00:41:16.039 --> 00:41:20.320
of it. And so he calls
up his parents afterwards and says, are

458
00:41:20.320 --> 00:41:22.039
you guys sitting at the table.
Did you just open a FedEx package?

459
00:41:22.079 --> 00:41:24.440
Did you just take this out of
the package? And the dad goes,

460
00:41:24.880 --> 00:41:30.880
yeah, all of those things are
actor. Why oh crap. You know.

461
00:41:30.039 --> 00:41:35.039
So that was Pete Holmes or Sinbad
that did that. That was oh

462
00:41:35.119 --> 00:41:39.000
wow, oh wow. Okay,
yeah that after he did that a few

463
00:41:39.079 --> 00:41:45.159
times, some entity grabbed a hold
of him and was holding on to him,

464
00:41:45.400 --> 00:41:50.400
and he freaked out and was terrifying, and he opened up a connection

465
00:41:50.559 --> 00:41:53.639
there exactly. Oh Lord, Jesus, get me out of this and I'll

466
00:41:53.679 --> 00:42:01.480
never get again. But what's wild
is I have two other friends who I

467
00:42:01.639 --> 00:42:09.280
know personally, one of whom has
astral projected a number of times and has

468
00:42:09.320 --> 00:42:15.920
had that experience with seeing shadowing these
extra dimensional entities in the room with him.

469
00:42:15.920 --> 00:42:21.400
That was terrifying. Oh wow,
guy's got no mental health problems,

470
00:42:21.400 --> 00:42:27.679
he's not a liar, and of
utter absolute integrity. He always plays a

471
00:42:27.719 --> 00:42:36.599
paladin in Yeah, that's awesome.
And I have another friend who's found stick

472
00:42:36.599 --> 00:42:43.760
structures on his property and around the
area I live along the Savannah River and

473
00:42:43.800 --> 00:42:47.840
I have both found stick structures around
the Savannah River and me about his dad.

474
00:42:49.480 --> 00:42:53.079
Nobody taught him to do this nobody
let him up. He just he

475
00:42:53.119 --> 00:43:00.360
could just astral project, just doing
it. And he was doing it through

476
00:43:00.440 --> 00:43:04.960
his twenties and thirties and forties,
and when he was a little bit older,

477
00:43:05.039 --> 00:43:07.559
he said that one time he just
went a lot farther than he had

478
00:43:07.559 --> 00:43:13.800
ever gone before, and he said
was terrifying because he suddenly realized, I'm

479
00:43:13.840 --> 00:43:16.519
not one hundred percent sure that if
I go any further, I'll be able

480
00:43:16.559 --> 00:43:21.880
to find my way back. And
so we never again. This guy was

481
00:43:21.880 --> 00:43:28.960
a Christian. This is a guy
who's dabbling in witchcraft, Wicca or New

482
00:43:29.039 --> 00:43:35.760
Age he kind of methods or anything. I think it's just the fabric of

483
00:43:35.840 --> 00:43:39.280
reality and what it means to be
a human being and to be tapped into

484
00:43:39.880 --> 00:43:49.880
the metaphysical world around us is a
lot weirder than most modern American prisuma not

485
00:43:50.440 --> 00:43:57.840
what it is. Yeah, it's
because we're so distracted by the phone,

486
00:43:58.480 --> 00:44:01.559
the TV, whatever, We totally
don't see any of that stuff going on.

487
00:44:01.679 --> 00:44:07.480
We don't even think to look up
and notice. And yeah, myself,

488
00:44:07.519 --> 00:44:16.800
personally, I'm very careful about what
I associate with, just because,

489
00:44:16.840 --> 00:44:22.679
as you said, like the sindbad
he opened up that door and then he

490
00:44:22.760 --> 00:44:28.519
had to deal with the maybe things
coming into his life, things coming home.

491
00:44:28.559 --> 00:44:31.639
But that's a personal thing for me. That's just something that I've decided

492
00:44:31.679 --> 00:44:35.800
for myself. But yeah, it's
crazy, the stuff that's out there.

493
00:44:35.800 --> 00:44:40.559
If you open your eyes, it's
nuts. And so many people that I

494
00:44:40.800 --> 00:44:47.079
had heard talk about the mind speak
aspect. Once they open that door,

495
00:44:47.559 --> 00:44:54.519
there's a very high likelihood that they're
going to talk about Sasquatch as teachers,

496
00:44:55.480 --> 00:45:04.159
as reality and protectors. And my
friend has had multiple instances where she has

497
00:45:04.280 --> 00:45:09.159
been protected. We'll be back with
more Bigfoot society after these words from our

498
00:45:09.199 --> 00:45:23.159
sponsors, by the Sasquatch people that
live either near her or portal in and

499
00:45:23.159 --> 00:45:29.320
everything. That's the other thing.
So here's let me just pivot from her

500
00:45:29.400 --> 00:45:34.079
for a second. I was speaking
a guy named Bob at a Bigfoot conference.

501
00:45:34.800 --> 00:45:37.519
This man has been a sheriff both
a guy named Bob at a big

502
00:45:37.559 --> 00:45:44.320
Foot conference. It's not Bob Gimlin
it okay. But I talked to this

503
00:45:44.360 --> 00:45:46.639
guy for a long time, long
enough to get a very good sense of

504
00:45:46.679 --> 00:45:51.599
him, very good sense of his
character. Clearly, the man doesn't have

505
00:45:51.719 --> 00:45:55.400
screws loose or anything. And he
was talking to me about how he and

506
00:45:55.440 --> 00:46:00.920
a number of other people had been
doing these regular expeditions into an area where

507
00:46:00.920 --> 00:46:05.800
there was a lot of activity.
But one of the guys walked into a

508
00:46:05.840 --> 00:46:14.400
portal because he was walking along and
suddenly he's just gone. No one else

509
00:46:14.440 --> 00:46:19.239
in the he's this guy, and
he's six to eight to ten feet away

510
00:46:19.280 --> 00:46:22.599
from the other people. It's not
like he's obscured by brush. The brush

511
00:46:22.760 --> 00:46:28.159
was not eight ten feet high.
There wasn't anything to obscure him. And

512
00:46:28.360 --> 00:46:34.480
he said, I couldn't see anybody
else in the group either, and clearly

513
00:46:34.519 --> 00:46:38.199
I was in a different place.
I was not seeing the same woods that

514
00:46:38.280 --> 00:46:44.239
I had been seeing. So I
froze, I backed up in a straight

515
00:46:44.400 --> 00:46:50.039
line, and then everybody could see
him again. Really, I don't know

516
00:46:50.079 --> 00:46:55.519
what that is other than some sort
of portal, some sort of fold in

517
00:46:55.639 --> 00:47:01.880
time and space. And I can't
tell you how many people have talked about

518
00:47:01.880 --> 00:47:08.039
this whole portal thing, right,
the idea that sasquatch can portal and teleport

519
00:47:08.199 --> 00:47:15.679
and whatever. As a Christian who
believes in the supernatural, who believes in

520
00:47:15.800 --> 00:47:22.800
angel who believes that fill up.
When he was walking to Macedonia, suddenly

521
00:47:22.360 --> 00:47:27.880
was in Macedonia, which was like
on the other side of Asia minor or

522
00:47:27.960 --> 00:47:31.599
whatever. Exactly. There's just no
way. You don't get dope, you

523
00:47:31.639 --> 00:47:46.920
don't get drowsy and suddenly wong by
the idea that someone who is even very

524
00:47:47.480 --> 00:47:53.480
religiously conservative needs to have a problem
with the supernatural aspect of bigfoot. I

525
00:47:53.599 --> 00:47:58.000
just that's one of the things.
That's one of the birds under my saddle

526
00:47:58.480 --> 00:48:00.760
is, Guys, if you're going
to believe God and angels and demons and

527
00:48:00.800 --> 00:48:05.960
everything, let's get weird man.
Let's roll up. Wow, that's interesting.

528
00:48:06.119 --> 00:48:13.920
That is very interesting. Let's saying
yeah, so I can tell obviously

529
00:48:13.920 --> 00:48:17.440
you're very intellectual guy. So I
had a question for you. Let's say,

530
00:48:19.000 --> 00:48:23.079
uh, what are the wether like
the top five or top three bigfoot

531
00:48:23.119 --> 00:48:27.800
type books that you recommend. When
let's say someone comes up to you like,

532
00:48:27.800 --> 00:48:30.519
hey, what do I read?
I can tell you've read a lot.

533
00:48:30.639 --> 00:48:37.199
Yeah, that's a good question.
I would say that. Jeff,

534
00:48:37.320 --> 00:48:44.519
this is a really short read Jeff
Belder paper that he submitted to peer review

535
00:48:45.000 --> 00:48:51.679
and was published by the Smithsonian Institute
on the Patterson Gimblin track way. It's

536
00:48:51.719 --> 00:48:57.960
a fantastic paper to read that went. He gears specifically to be a more

537
00:48:58.000 --> 00:49:02.400
accessible to non PhDs, because,
like I said, I had to crack

538
00:49:02.440 --> 00:49:07.599
out, crack up in Wikipedia and
look at the number of missions. But

539
00:49:07.639 --> 00:49:09.519
for the most part it was pretty
readable, and it will give you a

540
00:49:10.719 --> 00:49:20.000
very clear, scientifically grounded argument for
why and how people who are intellectually and

541
00:49:20.039 --> 00:49:25.239
scientifically rigorous believe that these are real
creatures. Tom Powell's book was really great.

542
00:49:25.400 --> 00:49:30.679
I loved it. I really loved
his book. I'm trying to think

543
00:49:30.719 --> 00:49:40.800
I've read so many and I wasn't
anticipating that question. Gosh, that is

544
00:49:40.880 --> 00:49:45.880
tough. Lauren Coleman's book was really
good. I've read so many it's hard

545
00:49:45.920 --> 00:49:50.880
to keep all the titles straight.
But for me, honestly, at the

546
00:49:50.920 --> 00:49:54.079
end of the day, a lot
of these books are fantastic, and I

547
00:49:54.119 --> 00:50:00.039
am so that these authors have spent
this time put this material together, the

548
00:50:00.159 --> 00:50:06.400
books. But for me, a
lot of the reading material that I am

549
00:50:06.440 --> 00:50:10.440
so grateful that I spent literally at
this point probably shamefully for thousands of hours

550
00:50:10.480 --> 00:50:17.400
reading is all the different databases,
the BFRORO dot net database, Oregon Sasquatch,

551
00:50:17.519 --> 00:50:29.159
the gal that wrote Enoch and that's
its own weird little rabbit trail of

552
00:50:29.159 --> 00:50:34.239
its own. But she's got a
database. And I've read through the entire

553
00:50:34.320 --> 00:50:39.760
contents of about a handful of databases
and try to really soak up as much

554
00:50:40.119 --> 00:50:49.079
direct, the highest volume, most
direct narrative experience of the common person.

555
00:50:49.119 --> 00:50:52.119
What does it mean for your average
person to bump into a sasquatch? Because

556
00:50:52.239 --> 00:51:00.400
let's say most of the people are
hearing or they're hearing, they're hearing the

557
00:51:00.599 --> 00:51:08.639
howel or screech. Most people aren't
seeing it. But to me, he

558
00:51:08.760 --> 00:51:15.079
said Piske National Forest recently, and
I asked three different people, have you

559
00:51:15.159 --> 00:51:20.679
seen any sasquatch around here? All
three of them told me I haven't seen

560
00:51:20.719 --> 00:51:22.719
one, but I've seen evidence of
them. One guy who was the owner

561
00:51:22.760 --> 00:51:28.599
of the property told me of a
creek on a ridge behind the place where

562
00:51:28.639 --> 00:51:34.800
we were staying, where he regularly
finds footprints, This man in the sand.

563
00:51:35.440 --> 00:51:38.519
And then the young man who his
family had moved into one of this

564
00:51:38.599 --> 00:51:43.679
guy's. This guy owns a handful
of properties along the valley. This guy,

565
00:51:43.760 --> 00:51:49.320
this kid was telling me about how
he moved in and he was alone

566
00:51:49.360 --> 00:51:54.519
at the house. The power goes
out, which is coincidental but he heard

567
00:51:54.559 --> 00:52:00.039
this scream coming from up the valley, and he said, the first thing

568
00:52:00.079 --> 00:52:07.400
that my brain told me was,
you have never heard this before. This

569
00:52:07.480 --> 00:52:13.519
is nothing on anything you've ever heard
before. And it was so powerful and

570
00:52:13.960 --> 00:52:19.239
loud. And what's wild is after
that he was sitting in the room and

571
00:52:19.280 --> 00:52:22.480
he just suddenly his brain told him, whatever, do not turn your head,

572
00:52:22.559 --> 00:52:28.079
do not look at the window.
Do not look. So I think

573
00:52:28.320 --> 00:52:31.679
that one of these things walked up
to the building and looked in because they

574
00:52:31.679 --> 00:52:35.440
had only been in there for a
couple of days, and it was basically

575
00:52:35.480 --> 00:52:40.239
going, Okay, who just moved
into my valley? You are? And

576
00:52:40.280 --> 00:52:44.960
again that's that's the tale was oldest
time. There's so many people that report

577
00:52:45.079 --> 00:52:50.119
this behavior of them a little brazen
when there's a window between the two of

578
00:52:50.159 --> 00:52:52.760
you and they walk up to the
edge of it and stare at you for

579
00:52:52.800 --> 00:52:59.599
a moment and then walk away.
Anyway, So the number of the volume

580
00:53:00.320 --> 00:53:05.400
for me of accounts that I've read
outweighs even these books that I've read.

581
00:53:06.039 --> 00:53:09.079
But again, I would definitely recommend
Tom Powell's book. He's somebody who,

582
00:53:09.719 --> 00:53:16.000
like me, is very steeped in
the scientific For him, he's steeped in

583
00:53:16.039 --> 00:53:21.199
the scientific tradition, right, whereas
I would say that I'm probably more steeped

584
00:53:21.199 --> 00:53:28.239
in the religious tradition. But both
of us have this community around us telling

585
00:53:28.320 --> 00:53:34.639
us, oh, you just you
can't affect yourself respect others. Yeah,

586
00:53:34.679 --> 00:53:38.880
exactly, which there's just some oppositional, defiant part of me. By Tom

587
00:53:38.960 --> 00:53:51.719
Be goes seriously follow up question to
the book question, not that I have

588
00:53:51.840 --> 00:53:54.719
actually spent the man hours to try
to look into this, but maybe you

589
00:53:54.880 --> 00:53:59.559
have because of what we've talked about
so far. Have you ever found any

590
00:53:59.679 --> 00:54:07.119
book or things where it's they tie
together the Bigfoot or cryptids to the religious

591
00:54:07.159 --> 00:54:13.039
stuff that we've been talking about,
Any of any things like that exist out

592
00:54:13.039 --> 00:54:15.800
there in the print world that you've
stumbled upon, or maybe it's something that

593
00:54:15.840 --> 00:54:21.440
needs to be created, you know, I did. I found a gentleman

594
00:54:21.880 --> 00:54:28.639
who wrote a book that is very
difficult to get your hands on because it's

595
00:54:28.679 --> 00:54:32.800
out of print, where he tried
to go through the Bible and basically say,

596
00:54:34.440 --> 00:54:37.800
places where they're talking about weird things
having to do with giants, they're

597
00:54:37.840 --> 00:54:45.199
really talking about Bigfoot. Well,
I found his argument to be totally compelling.

598
00:54:45.639 --> 00:54:50.800
Like I said, I've studied the
Nephelene thing. I've gone to the

599
00:54:50.840 --> 00:54:54.000
original text and looked at the Hebrew
and trying to figure out what they're talking

600
00:54:54.039 --> 00:54:59.599
about. And from what I can
understand, they're talking about descendants of angels.

601
00:54:59.599 --> 00:55:02.000
For us, well, what we're
talking about with Bigfoot is from what

602
00:55:02.079 --> 00:55:07.280
I can tell, the North American
Bigfoot as opposed to the hominids in South

603
00:55:07.320 --> 00:55:12.719
Africa that I forgot the guy's name, but he's an elephant and lion researcher.

604
00:55:12.800 --> 00:55:15.119
He's seen them a handful of times, and he has other people in

605
00:55:15.199 --> 00:55:22.079
his really personal circle and contact who
have seen them. Yeah, so that's

606
00:55:22.119 --> 00:55:28.519
the crazy thing. There's hominids in
South Africa. There's hominids Indonesia, there's

607
00:55:28.599 --> 00:55:35.559
hominids in the Southeastern Nation Peninsula.
There's so many accounts of gis coming back

608
00:55:35.599 --> 00:55:40.360
from Vietnam. Rocket. Yeah,
the rocket read one account of a helicopter

609
00:55:40.440 --> 00:55:45.039
pilot talked about coming over a ridge
and there's just this six foot tall ape

610
00:55:45.119 --> 00:55:50.719
man in the top of the truth
in full view, clearly doing the chimp

611
00:55:50.800 --> 00:55:58.039
thing of a physical display where it's
just tree back and forth trying to scare

612
00:55:58.079 --> 00:56:05.000
off a helicopter. And then you've
got them all up and down Eurasia.

613
00:56:05.079 --> 00:56:12.920
And again what's wild is really there
is this distinct subspecies in Eurasia that is

614
00:56:13.119 --> 00:56:21.559
not sasquatch in North America or the
I think the same thing or a similar

615
00:56:21.639 --> 00:56:25.519
thing in North America is what's down
in South Africa. Because in South Africa

616
00:56:25.880 --> 00:56:30.960
those things get up to above seven
feet tall. And we're talking about the

617
00:56:31.039 --> 00:56:40.119
same genetic set of the same sort
of genes that allowed a descendant of apes

618
00:56:40.280 --> 00:56:46.679
to bulk up to a size that
is able to cope with the swing in

619
00:56:46.800 --> 00:56:52.360
temperature. And for me, that's
one of the most mind blowing things that

620
00:56:52.400 --> 00:56:55.159
people told Pove the idea of bigfoot, and you go, do you know

621
00:56:55.199 --> 00:57:00.639
what a dire beaver is? It's
a beaver the size of a bulk swaggon.

622
00:57:01.119 --> 00:57:06.639
People forget that stuff used to be
super big. I don't know why

623
00:57:06.679 --> 00:57:13.079
people. Yeah, yeah, every
every and when I say every, every

624
00:57:13.239 --> 00:57:24.559
species of mammal has a branch of
its zoological treaty that optimized to overcome seriously

625
00:57:24.599 --> 00:57:29.039
frigid conditions. And so they got
big because that's the only thing nature can

626
00:57:29.079 --> 00:57:32.599
do, right. So the bigger
you are, it shifts the ratio as

627
00:57:32.599 --> 00:57:39.559
you get bigger, your surface area
to volume ratio shifts, and suddenly you've

628
00:57:39.599 --> 00:57:45.599
got way more volume than surface area, which means you're not losing as much

629
00:57:45.639 --> 00:57:52.280
of your general metabolic work that you've
done to warm up your body out your

630
00:57:52.320 --> 00:57:55.920
skin, and so you're able to
regulate your body temperature. That's why everything

631
00:57:57.079 --> 00:58:01.719
gets huge when the poles shift,
and the ia is you've got to get

632
00:58:01.760 --> 00:58:08.679
big or die. Of course,
they're scientifically speaking in order to say there's

633
00:58:08.800 --> 00:58:15.079
no such thing as a hominid that
weighs eight hundred pounds, and that's an

634
00:58:15.079 --> 00:58:21.639
absurd idea. That's a foolish statement
to me. It's a scientifically empirically stupid

635
00:58:21.679 --> 00:58:25.440
thing to say. The only question
is are they still around? Right?

636
00:58:25.719 --> 00:58:32.440
And it boggles my mind that people
support about the idea that they're not so

637
00:58:32.599 --> 00:58:38.840
around. And again I've heard and
this is where you get into this one

638
00:58:39.280 --> 00:58:43.320
eats the road right, people say, okay, you take this serious secret,

639
00:58:43.519 --> 00:58:46.360
where's the body? And then what
do you believe in some sort of

640
00:58:46.440 --> 00:58:52.079
government conspiracy? And again that's one
of those statements that I'm not trying to

641
00:58:52.079 --> 00:58:53.960
be ugly to people who have said
that to other people, but there's a

642
00:58:53.960 --> 00:59:01.239
certain amount of intellectual bullying, a
certain amount of condescension and statement. But

643
00:59:02.239 --> 00:59:10.000
we are absolutely aware of a number
of different, concerted, broad attempts that

644
00:59:10.079 --> 00:59:16.400
the United States Government has made to
suppress certain bits of information. So I

645
00:59:16.440 --> 00:59:25.320
don't understand why people find it to
be laughable when you propose that within the

646
00:59:27.599 --> 00:59:34.159
forget about hydra it's just a seizing
call. The United States bureaucratic system across

647
00:59:34.480 --> 00:59:39.880
all of these different government branches is
buck wild, right. You've got different

648
00:59:40.079 --> 00:59:45.079
organizations stepping on each other's toes,
grabbing for jurisdiction, other people pushing off

649
00:59:45.119 --> 00:59:52.119
responsibility onto others. From what I
can tell, it doesn't take a top

650
00:59:52.280 --> 00:59:58.239
down, unilateral, ubiquitous effort to
pull off this Bigfoot conspiracy. All you

651
00:59:58.360 --> 01:00:04.960
need is what the Bigfoot community already
gives the United States government, which is

652
01:00:05.360 --> 01:00:15.480
a set of people generating questionable material
so that you can't just laugh it off

653
01:00:15.679 --> 01:00:21.519
if anything real ever does show up, and then you just send people to

654
01:00:21.559 --> 01:00:25.480
scoop up the bodies, and you
just get a little old Jewish couple watched

655
01:00:25.480 --> 01:00:32.000
the Bigfoot get struck and mortally wounded
by a semi truck, and they gave

656
01:00:32.079 --> 01:00:36.480
their full report. They walked over
to the thing. They looked at it,

657
01:00:36.519 --> 01:00:38.280
they saw its face, it's hands, its feet, It wasn't a

658
01:00:38.280 --> 01:00:42.360
bear. They knew what they were
looking at, and they went, this

659
01:00:42.519 --> 01:00:45.679
is it, this is it,
and it's finally going to come out.

660
01:00:45.760 --> 01:00:53.000
So they ran home and they watched
the news and that's crazy, not locally,

661
01:00:53.039 --> 01:00:58.440
not nationally, and they said that
the people that showed up that kind

662
01:00:58.480 --> 01:01:07.519
of took over were very much just
squashing, not surprising. Yeah, that

663
01:01:07.719 --> 01:01:10.960
sort of event. That's the level
of conspiracy that we're talking about. It's

664
01:01:12.000 --> 01:01:17.639
not necessarily full on men in black
UFO stuff. It's just anybody in any

665
01:01:17.719 --> 01:01:25.039
department who has a big foot body
on their hands knows that this is going

666
01:01:25.079 --> 01:01:30.159
to be a nightmare for them if
this gets big or it goes any farther.

667
01:01:30.880 --> 01:01:36.960
That's the message that's been broadcast and
you can't deny that right nobody,

668
01:01:37.079 --> 01:01:42.599
whether they believe in the phenomenon or
not, if you're just responsible and you've

669
01:01:42.639 --> 01:01:47.599
read into it and looked into it. Clearly, that is a ubiquitous psychological

670
01:01:47.679 --> 01:01:52.079
pressure on people who work for the
government is that they don't want to deal

671
01:01:52.119 --> 01:01:54.920
with it. And so I think
that's why the issue has stayed quiet,

672
01:01:55.199 --> 01:01:59.400
honest. That's yeah, that's a
very interesting take on it. I agree

673
01:01:59.400 --> 01:02:06.280
with that. Believe it or not, we have gotten crazy through the time.

674
01:02:06.360 --> 01:02:08.280
This has been an amazing episode.
I love talking to you. What

675
01:02:08.400 --> 01:02:12.239
is it that real cool? What
is it that you do? I've been

676
01:02:12.239 --> 01:02:15.800
trying to figure out what it is. I'm a software engineer, Okay,

677
01:02:15.840 --> 01:02:17.920
I was gonna guess. I was
like, this has got to be a

678
01:02:17.960 --> 01:02:22.280
computer guy because I'm a software engineer
too, and I'm like, I'm just

679
01:02:22.320 --> 01:02:28.000
getting a real software analytic dude guy, and this is Yeah, So that's

680
01:02:28.039 --> 01:02:30.679
awesome. I love it, very
cool, very cool. I get you

681
01:02:30.800 --> 01:02:43.360
asked what books you read? Books? Yeah? Anything. Can people catch

682
01:02:43.440 --> 01:02:46.960
up with you in any ways if
they're interested in content you're creating or anything

683
01:02:47.039 --> 01:02:51.800
like that, go ahead, yeah, anything. If you look me up,

684
01:02:51.880 --> 01:02:57.360
I'm j Sewitch J s U I
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685
01:02:57.400 --> 01:03:01.400
and whatever. And if you want
to see me play D and D with

686
01:03:01.440 --> 01:03:08.760
some other fellow philosophy college buddies,
you can the Starfall Collective. Excuse me,

687
01:03:08.800 --> 01:03:14.559
We're on Twitch and YouTube. Oh
cool, Reddit? Okay, so

688
01:03:14.719 --> 01:03:19.000
Starfall Collective. Jeremiah, thank you
so much for having me on. I

689
01:03:19.000 --> 01:03:31.079
appreciate a lot. You got it
here at Bigfoot Society, art goal is

690
01:03:31.119 --> 01:03:37.960
to provide a platform for those that
have encountered Bigfoot to share their encounter and

691
01:03:37.039 --> 01:03:42.639
a safe and respected environment. But
we need to hear your story. If

692
01:03:42.679 --> 01:03:49.239
you've experienced something that you just can't
explain, please send me an email at

693
01:03:49.280 --> 01:03:53.079
Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com.
Then we can start the conversation. And

694
01:03:53.159 --> 01:03:59.239
I know a lot of you have
not shared your encounter at all. It's

695
01:03:59.280 --> 01:04:03.840
been twenty years and it's time that
you get this off your chest and then

696
01:04:03.880 --> 01:04:06.840
you can get some well deserved for
rest, because I know you haven't been

697
01:04:06.880 --> 01:04:13.400
sleeping. I understand what you're going
through, and I appreciate every one of you listening