Aug. 23, 2024

The Roar in Allegheny with Amy Bue

In this episode, Jeremiah interviews Amy Bue, an Ohio-based Bigfoot researcher and co-founder of Project Zoobook. Amy shares her personal sightings and experiences, including a mysterious encounter at the Meander Creek Reservoir and a chilling night...

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Season 1

In this episode, Jeremiah interviews Amy Bue, an Ohio-based Bigfoot researcher and co-founder of Project Zoobook. Amy shares her personal sightings and experiences, including a mysterious encounter at the Meander Creek Reservoir and a chilling night in Pennsylvania's Allegheny National Forest. She discusses heart palpitations potentially linked to infrasound and touches upon the scientific and research efforts of Project Zoobook. Amy also highlights intriguing Bigfoot reports and her collaborative work with the Olympic Project. Dive in to explore the eerie phenomena and dedicated research in the quest to uncover the truth about Bigfoot.

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let's get on with the show. Three two one, All right,

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Big for Society. We got the privilege of talking to

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Amy bou Amyboo is a Ohio based bigfoot researcher and

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the co founder of Project Zoo book and I'm sure

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we'll be talking about that later on in the interview.

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But how's it going today, Amy, It's.

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Going really well. Thank you. Trying to keep cool out

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here in Ohio.

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Oh I know it out here now.

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I'm not succeeding.

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Here in Iowa. We're burning up. It's a pretty crazy

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time out here. It'd be nicer to be on the

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West Coast, I think. But I had the privilege of

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meeting you out at Monsterfest two. We were able to

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have a nice dinner with some of your fellow researchers

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and I guess individuals that you would call your mentor, right,

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your mentors?

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Definitely, yes, Yes, we have a nice group of researchers

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break around where I live in Ohio, so definitely, especially

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a few of them, I would definitely call my mentors.

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Absolutely. It was a very, very enjoyable chat. And then

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there was actually outside there was a whole party going on.

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I think I caught a little bit of that. But

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you know, listeners, if you're able to go to any

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of these conferences and festivals, like you know, your Monsterfest

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and can't Ohio, your Sasquatch Summerfest in oak Ridge, I

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mean that's where the real magic is going to happen

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and you're able to learn things that you would not

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learn on the internet. And I would just recommend people

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start to take advantage of those times. But let's get

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into what amy.

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So what was it?

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We'll start with the first basic question. So what was

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it that first got you into all this wild bigfoot stuff?

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To begin with?

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Well, I saw something. It was twelve years ago in April,

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and I was a passenger in a car going over

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a reservoir here in Ohio, and I saw something along

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the shoreline that I still don't know what it was

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because it was too far away and we were driving

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and couldn't stop or anything like that. But it looked

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to me like what I would think Bigfoot looked like.

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And at the time when I was staring at it,

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like from the time we hit the bridge till we

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got parallel to it, I just was looking at it

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like what in the world is that? And you know,

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I was not into Bigfoot at the time, but I knew,

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you know, the folklore or whatever I thought of Bigfoot,

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so I knew that this creature, whatever you want to

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call it, looked like what I had seen, you know,

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on TV or in movies or you know, in Little

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Magnet or whatever, you know, what I would think Bigfoot

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looked like. And as we went past it, it was

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holding onto a tree it moved. It was very tall

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and wide, all on color, and as we went past it,

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I yelled out, I think I just saw Bigfoot. And

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then the first thing I thought after that was how

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stupid that was, because there's no such thing as it.

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And you know, I relived that moment in my mind

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probably every day, because I wish I could say for

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sure what I had seen. But whatever it was, that's

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what kind of sent me down the rabbit hole, so

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to speak.

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Wow, and what was that in Ohio?

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That was in Ohio? And so that was another reason,

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you know, even though when I think back to it,

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I can say it was not a bear. It didn't

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have the stance of a bear, it was not shaped

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like a bear, it did not have a muzzle, you know,

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sure what it was, just because in my like when

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I talked to other witnesses, and we all, oh, not

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all of us maybe, but a lot of it say

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the same thing that Bigfoot. You know, when we saw

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something it was not supposed to exist. So your mind

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kind of plays tricks with you trying to make sense

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of it. And since I'm a pretty skeptical person, even

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to this day, even though I can't, you know, I

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think I would have been able to tell anything else

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it would be. But in the back of my head,

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I keep thinking, what if it was a guy dressed

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up like a bigfoot? You know, like you know it.

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It still messes with my mind, Like just talking about it,

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I can see it in my head. I think about it,

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and that's what it looked like. And now I think

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it absolutely could have been a bigfoot. At the time,

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I'm just saying at the time, I thought that was stupid,

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and I'm like, well, what what is it? Because it's

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not that. But I still can't say for sure because

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it was too far away and too quick of a sighting.

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But I definitely think it could have been because my

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mind has changed a lot since then.

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Oh absolutely, I'm sure going from that point of time

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to where you are now, it's leaps and bounds. But

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were there any details that you remember seeing that were

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really hard to explain away in your mind?

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Yeah, Well, first of all, the location where it was.

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It was next to a body of water that is

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under the Department of Homeland Security, so I've never even

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seen a person out there. But to be fair, you know,

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you have rangers and people that work there, so there

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could have been a person. It was just really strange

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to see anything there because you usually don't, so that

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was the first, you know, thing that caught my eye.

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But I would say just the breadth of the shoulders.

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It was so incredibly wide. If it had been a person,

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I would think they would have had to have some

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kind of like football pads something on to make it

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look that disproportionate, Like it didn't look like a person.

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So and then it was all that one color. I

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feel like, say it was one hundred yards, and that's

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my best estimate because I still go over that bridge.

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But I feel like I would be able to tell

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if a person was standing in the end zone across

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from me on a football field, and this did not

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look like a person, especially because of how wide it was.

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And we've never been able to go in there to

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try to do a reenactment or anything like that, so

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it seemed to be very tall as well. But I

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know your mind could play tricks on you a little

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bit with how big something is. But it was extremely

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wide in the shoulders compared to the rest of it,

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like what I would think a person would look like absolutely.

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In your years after that, you know, maybe watching TV

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or movies or looking at magazines, have you ever seen

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any other individual that has that same width of the

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shoulders or did that ever remind you of that in

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any ways?

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Oh yeah, I've seen I've seen illustrations of bigfoot like that.

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Other people have said they've seen, like Sybylla Irwin does

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her drawings, you know, based on what witnesses tell her.

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And definitely I've seen some pictures that look more like that,

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that very those very wide shoulders with the thinner body,

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long arms. Now it was holding on to a tree,

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but I was too far away to really be able

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to see the other arm or how long it was

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or anything like that. I couldn't see a face, you know,

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but it just was that consistent color. So I feel

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like if it was a human, they had to be

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doing some kind of a hoax or something like that

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because they weren't wearing normal clothing.

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Absolutely, And to look at that a different way, have

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you ever seen that with in maybe if you've been

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looking at like a sports athlete or a movie star

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or anything like that, or does nothing even really come

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close to it?

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Well, just just like I said, like a football player,

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you know, with the with the shoulder pads on, but

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even more pronounced than that. I would say, just how

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you know, you can have these guys that are really tall,

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big guys, but they have these huge shoulder pads on

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and so they look like an inverted triangle kind of.

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So it was more like more like that. Just the

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body was a lot thinner, I guess, or narrower than

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the shoulders.

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It's it's interesting when I've asked that. I asked that.

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Every once in a while, and more oftentimes than not,

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individuals will bring up a hul Cogan, which is, yeah,

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kind of a funny real picture.

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But now that is true. But I would say, like

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even more so than him, like even the shoulders even

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more pronounced. And what in my memory, you know, that's

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just what I remember being so taken aback by, Like

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what in the world is that?

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Absolutely?

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You mentioned this area sounds very interesting and I haven't

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heard of many reservoirs that are controlled by the Department

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of Homeland Security. Is it a place where you can

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kind of talk about where it is or are you

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keeping it kind of?

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I can tell, Okay, No, I can definitely tell. It's

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called Neander Reservoir and it's outside of Youngstown, Ohio. So

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it's just like such a crazy in my mind at

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the time place for something like that to be. The

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reason it's under that is because it's the city's water supply.

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But if you drive around the perimeter, it's all fenced in.

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You cannot get in there. You get in a lot

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of trouble if you try. I mean, you could crawl

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over a fence or something, you know, but it's not impossible,

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but I wouldn't try it. But it has a lot

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of signs that say like wild I think it's it's

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something like wildlife refuge area, you know. So it's just

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kind of mysterious, you know, it really is. So that

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adds to the whole thing. And after I started looking

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into Bigfoot, which was pretty quick after that, at whatever

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it was that I saw, I realized that a lot

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of people, well to me, a lot of people have

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seen things around there. And as the years have gone by,

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I've talked to people, you know, maybe I was at

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a library talk or something like that, or at the

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park and people will tell me their sightings. And there

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was like a lady that had a sighting of one

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crouch down in the water with a duck in its mouth,

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so she got a really good sighting. And then another

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gentleman who saw one with a dead deer under its

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arm walking across the road. So you know, it's it's

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not the hugest forested area, but it's pretty pretty well preserved,

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and it is something that something could get in and

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out of, following different waterways and things like that.

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And you said neanderoir, Yes, So that's that's so interesting, right.

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I find a study of names and locations to be

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very interesting when it comes to Bigfoot. You know, we

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were actually I was mentioning before the interview Henry Franzoni,

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and he has this great book I want to Spiraciaco

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maybe where it is h a study into all of

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the names that are associated with Bigfoot in all the

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different states.

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And I meander.

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That sounds like another word to me, maybe neanderthal, But

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maybe that's kind of going too far.

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But I don't know.

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I'm sorry, it's not me. It's me ander, like with

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the am so like getting meanders around. No, but I

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see what you're saying. I get what you were trying

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to say. Yeah, And there's like a there's the reservoir,

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and I'm not sure if they call it a creek

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meander creek, I think not a river that comes out

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of that and meanders its way around. But no, that

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would have been really cool if it was neander.

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Wouldn't it. I would have been all about it.

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So, yeah, you have that sighting and then how quickly

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after that do you find yourself launching into the world

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of bigfoot research and going different places.

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Well, it took me about a year before I submitted

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a report, and back then it was you know, when

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you start looking into bigfoot and stuff, you see the

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BFRO pretty quickly. I had not been somebody that watched

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TV shows. I was not into bigfoot, but you know,

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like back in the day, I watched In Search of

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and stuff so and until Mystery, so I knew of it,

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but again didn't think it was could in any way

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be real. But I started looking into that. But it

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was about a year before I submitted a report because

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I was like, oh, what the heck, I'll do it

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because at the time I didn't think my maybe sighting

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was good enough to submit. I because I wasn't sure

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what I saw, and it was kind of fun. You

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know for our way and all of that, so I thought, well,

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they won't want to hear that. Now I know that

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that's not true, because you know, you want a story

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of the whole area, and and any any bits of

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information that come in or worthy, you know, are good.

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You know, if somebody hears something or sees something, or

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find the print or whatever whatever you're talking about. I

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think that's really good to show the story of an area.

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But at the time, like I said, I still was,

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you know, going back at my head, this can't be true.

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Is this true? Could it have been that? And it

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turned into like that year before I submitted my own report,

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I read and read and read. I really got hooked

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into this mystery. It absolutely fascinated me because I had

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no clue that so many people were seeing things. I

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had no clue of the potential evidence that we have

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the footprints, the audio, all of the witness reports, which

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is just fascinating in itself. I got into all the

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history of it. So even to this day, like whether

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or not my first maybe sighting was really sasquatch doesn't

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really matter to me. You know, it was my jumping

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off point. But that's what got me interested and I

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spent that whole year. I started going to hear you know,

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speakers and things like that, you know, if I would

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see that somebody was going to be close by, and

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I really just kind of educated myself in it. Then

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I submitted my report and then like I went to

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my first Bigfoot conference, I met other people, so then

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it kind of took off quickly. But I spent a

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lot of time just really familiarizing myself with what could

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be going on here.

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Big for society will be right back after these messages, and.

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I thought, first of all, I thought, you know, I'm

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gonna this can't be real, So I'm going to prove

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to myself it can't be real. And then I thought, oh,

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you know, this is actually interesting. And all through the

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years since, I've just gotten more and more convinced that

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these creatures are real.

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I found there was a point for me where I

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experienced some things that after I experienced that, it just

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really rocked my worldview. And I had been what I

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feel was one hundred percent, but it just launched me

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way way into an area where there's no way I

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could come back from what I experienced. Did that ever

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happen to you or was it just a gradual into Okay,

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now I'm like one hundred and fifty percent Bigfoot and

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there's no going back. Or was there a catalyst point

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that really launched you into it?

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Well, it has definitely been very gradual, and it's honestly

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only been the last few months where I even say

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I think Bigfoot is real. You know, I have mostly

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always said I am a hopefuls skeptic. I think they're real,

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I'm not sure, and there's still a little bit of

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that in me, you know, without I've had some other experiences,

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but never the smoking gun there it is. I am

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one hundred percent convinced, right, I've never had that myself.

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But it's been in the last you know, this year

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where I'm like, you know, I keep saying that, and

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that's true because I think a lot of us there's

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an occasional day where you get up and you spend

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so much time doing this, so much effort trying to

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figure this whole thing out, that there are some days,

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at least for me, where I'm like, man, what if

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it's not real? What if I'm wasting my time? You know,

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it's just you're got to get down a little bit,

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and I have zero expectations of ever seeing something like

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I think I could go my whole life and never

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see something again. And that's okay, but it can mess

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with your mind a little bit. But anyway, I keep

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getting off track. Sorry, but I have come to the

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conclusion and there have been some things along the way

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that have brought me here so kind of aha moments,

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if you want to say that. But I've come to

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the conclusion that when maybe I haven't had that absolute moment,

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but people that I trust with my wife have you know,

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friends that have begun become family, and if I you know,

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if they would say pretty much anything else to me,

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I would believe them, you know, So why am I

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not believing them on this? Does that make sense? You know?

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And it isn't been so much that I wasn't believing them,

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but I and I think it's healthy to be skeptical,

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you know. I think it's healthy to not think everything

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is Bigfoot. But there's just so much in my mind,

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overwhelming clues toward this being a real creature that I

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can't I can't throw that away anymore. So now you know,

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I do have that occasional doubtful day, But I really

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think that I absolutely think they could exist, and I

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really think that they do. Some of the things that

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have sent me on that way, I've not just been

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people who I trust that have told me their stories.

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But one of the things I do a lot now

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is I go to outdoor shows like hunting and fishing shows.

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Every year, I go to several of them, and I

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get so many hunters and fishermen and women who are

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telling me their stories. You know. I used to have

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people say, well, if Bigfoot was real, the hunters would

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see them, and I'm like, they do, they do see them.

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There are so many reports that I've gotten over the

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last i'd say five years frominters that I don't think

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everybody is lying. And when you are talking to a

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hunter that goes out for bo season looking for bear

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or you know, whatever it is, they know what a

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bear looks like. So I think your possibility of misidentification

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goes way down when you're talking about that. So if

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everybody's not lying to me and hoaxting and everybody is

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not misidentifying something, there's something out there now. What it

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is is up for speculation, but I don't think everybody's

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lying about it. And I've talked to people who have

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such an emotional reaction, like visceral reaction when they're telling

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me their story. You know, I'm a teacher. I know

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I can't tell when everybody lies to me, but I

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feel like I'm a pretty good judgment of that. And

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there have been stories that have been told to me

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that I absolutely believe these.

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People know exactly what you're talking about. I experienced that

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in Oregon, and there are people with bloggers and barbers

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and construction workers and hunters that we're having so visceral

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reactions in front of me that I didn't even ask

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them a lot of questions because I didn't want them

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to be in that emotional state for too long to

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damage them again. You know, it's just it is extremely intense,

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and there's no way that you know, I agree with

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you that all these people are lying and they're not

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selling books, they don't have a YouTube channel. They just

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saw something and they're trying to come to grips with

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what they saw, what they experienced. It's crazy. Over the years,

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have you been able to go to any actual in

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the field spots to try to research Bigfoot for yourself

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face to face in the field.

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I guess you'd say.

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I do, I have, and I do. I live about,

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I think, like ten miles from the Pennsylvania Ohio border,

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so I actually go out to PA a lot more

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than I do Ohio for research purposes. So the Alleghany

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National Forest is my home. I always say, my grandpa

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had a hunting cabin up there, and we, my whole

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family spent you know, our childhood and teenage years and

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everything going to that cabin. The cabin's no longer there,

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but I still go to the area where it was,

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and I go there for nostalgic reasons and because it's

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so beautiful and I love it there. But I also

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go there because there are so many bigfoot reports in

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that area. So I spend a lot of time in Pennsylvania,

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also in Ohio, especially in Columbiana County where there are

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a lot of reports, but all over Ohio. And now

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you know, over the last several years, I travel quite

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a bit. So I go out to the Pacific Northwest

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when I can make it out there, both as a

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member of the Olympic Project and just you know, doing

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my own research. I go to Kentucky, West Virginia, Michigan.

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Even I have went out to Montana with the members

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of my project a few years ago and plan on

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going back so wherever I can make it to. You know,

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if I'm invited out there to look into a specific

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and you know, case or specific witness report, I will.

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But my favorite thing to do is just to get

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out there on my own and hope, hope something happens.

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So you've mentioned all these places, have there been Has

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there been a time where you've been in a certain

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place and even though you may have you know, you

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may not be one hundred percent at that time, but

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something has happened and it's hard to explain away, and

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it's just things got very very intense and hard to

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wrap your mind around.

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Oh yeah, absolutely, Which one do you want to hear about?

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I have?

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I have several things like that. I have several things

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like that. I had another possible sighting in twenty eighteen

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in southern Ohio. I had something really strange that I

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don't know whether or not, you know, it would be

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attributed to Bigfoot, But something really odd happened in Pennsylvania.

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And then I when I was out in Oregon in

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Mount Hood National Forest. It was just we had hiked

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in several miles and there were just so many odd

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sounds going on. There were you know not and some

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yells and things like that. We were, you know, remote

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camping out there and found a possible footprint across the

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lake where we were like fishing for our supper and

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everything where we had put you know how, I don't

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know if you can still buy them, but you used

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to be able to go online. And they were called

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like sasquatch pheromone chips, which they were not really sasquatch,

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but they were I think they were like had gorilla

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urine or something in there. So we somebody that I

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was with had bought some of those and put one

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in a tree across the lake, and we had weird

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sounds coming from there, possible footprint, trees breaking and things

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like that. That was just a lot like we were

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the only people out there that we knew of. And

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I always say that to be you know, total disclosure.

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Could there have been other people? I suppose right, because

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we were there, but this was not a campsite or anything.

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We were just camped by lake with our shovels. If

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you had to go to the bathroom. Know, it was

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like just very remote and that was a it was creepy.

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You know, It's wonderful. I loved it, but it was

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a little creepy. Also, when I was in Stevens County, Washington,

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I have never been anywhere where I was, I felt

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such a feeling of oh, just there was something out there,

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like it was very and it wasn't like a really

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good feeling. It was more foreboding. The woods were beautiful,

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there was nothing like a creepy about where we were,

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but it just had a different feeling to it. I

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don't know how else to explain that, but I felt like,

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you know, I had we heard some odd noises there

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as well, But the weirdest one that happened was in Pennsylvania.

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You want me to tell you about that one, Okay,

460
00:27:59.799 --> 00:28:02.480
So this is the one where I'm still not exactly

461
00:28:02.519 --> 00:28:05.720
sure what to think. But I saw nightmares about it.

462
00:28:07.279 --> 00:28:10.799
And when I say nightmares, it's more like I wake

463
00:28:10.880 --> 00:28:14.240
up kind of panicked. You know, Nothing really bad happens

464
00:28:14.359 --> 00:28:17.160
or anything like that. Nothing bad did happen, but it

465
00:28:17.240 --> 00:28:22.839
was just such a scary feeling. So basically, I think

466
00:28:22.839 --> 00:28:24.720
it was about a year and a half ago. Now

467
00:28:25.319 --> 00:28:29.640
I could get my times a little different. But I

468
00:28:29.680 --> 00:28:33.200
got a call from a reporter from the Wall Street Journal,

469
00:28:33.240 --> 00:28:38.160
of all places, and he wanted to do an article

470
00:28:38.559 --> 00:28:41.720
about Bigfoot, like a paragraph that was going to be

471
00:28:41.799 --> 00:28:43.759
on the front page. It was kind of a teaser

472
00:28:43.880 --> 00:28:47.960
thing where I forget what they call that, but it's

473
00:28:48.000 --> 00:28:50.279
like he had written one about somebody who used to

474
00:28:50.799 --> 00:28:53.920
be the world champion pogo stick jumper or whatever.

475
00:28:53.960 --> 00:28:54.119
You know.

476
00:28:54.160 --> 00:28:57.759
It was like something more lighthearted. And he got ahold

477
00:28:57.839 --> 00:29:01.200
of my name because I was a featured speaker at

478
00:29:01.200 --> 00:29:05.839
a festival in that area, and so I said, sure,

479
00:29:05.880 --> 00:29:08.680
we can do that. But then he was asking me

480
00:29:08.720 --> 00:29:10.799
a little bit about what I do, and I started

481
00:29:10.839 --> 00:29:13.680
telling him about Project Zoo book, which I'm sure we'll

482
00:29:13.680 --> 00:29:15.839
talk about it here in a minute, and he got

483
00:29:15.880 --> 00:29:19.000
really fascinated with the whole thing and he's like, wait

484
00:29:19.039 --> 00:29:21.559
a minute, you mean it's not just for fun, like

485
00:29:21.640 --> 00:29:25.119
you think Bigfoot could actually be real? And like, yeah,

486
00:29:25.160 --> 00:29:29.960
I do. Long story short, He got really involved in

487
00:29:30.400 --> 00:29:33.640
what we were doing, interviewed a bunch of people, and

488
00:29:33.799 --> 00:29:37.519
ended up being like a lot bigger of a deal.

489
00:29:37.839 --> 00:29:40.279
I guess, if you want to say it that way

490
00:29:40.319 --> 00:29:44.839
then I thought at first, But after he was done

491
00:29:45.160 --> 00:29:48.680
writing everything. He well, no, he wasn't done yet. I

492
00:29:48.720 --> 00:29:52.160
guess he wanted like some experience too, So he asked

493
00:29:52.559 --> 00:29:56.079
if myself and some of Projects zoo Book would take

494
00:29:56.160 --> 00:29:59.759
him out camping and looking for Bigfoot. And I'm like,

495
00:30:00.440 --> 00:30:03.720
we sure will, but just fear warning. We probably won't

496
00:30:03.759 --> 00:30:07.480
find anything, just because you know, I don't normally, you know,

497
00:30:07.519 --> 00:30:10.000
I'm not somebody that goes out there and finds stuff

498
00:30:10.039 --> 00:30:13.079
all the time. But I said, you know, so you

499
00:30:13.079 --> 00:30:14.599
know what I mean, Like, I didn't want him to

500
00:30:14.680 --> 00:30:16.440
feel like he's going to come out we're going to

501
00:30:16.480 --> 00:30:21.039
see Bigfoot everywhere, although you always hope that, right. So

502
00:30:21.319 --> 00:30:25.920
he came out in a photographer and the night before

503
00:30:25.960 --> 00:30:30.240
they arrived, myself and some of Project zoo Book members

504
00:30:30.240 --> 00:30:32.839
who are also my friends, we went up to the

505
00:30:33.000 --> 00:30:35.440
area where we were going to be camping.

506
00:30:36.640 --> 00:30:39.400
Big for Society will be right back after these messages.

507
00:30:55.599 --> 00:30:59.759
And this is like for the Alleghandy National Forest, it's

508
00:30:59.759 --> 00:31:02.799
pret remote. You know, when you go out to the

509
00:31:02.839 --> 00:31:06.839
Pacific Northwest, those forests are huge. De Alleghanies might not

510
00:31:07.319 --> 00:31:10.039
be as big, but you can go to places in

511
00:31:10.079 --> 00:31:12.079
them where you're not going to see a lot of people.

512
00:31:12.599 --> 00:31:15.599
And so to get to where we were going, Like,

513
00:31:15.680 --> 00:31:18.880
there are some spots carved out there, but it's again

514
00:31:18.960 --> 00:31:22.400
not a campground, no bathrooms, no running water or nothing.

515
00:31:22.880 --> 00:31:24.920
You're just you have a place where you can have

516
00:31:25.000 --> 00:31:29.359
a campfire. And the road to get there, especially at

517
00:31:29.359 --> 00:31:34.400
that time, was so horrible, Like I kept thinking the

518
00:31:34.480 --> 00:31:37.519
potholes were going to swallow my car. And I have

519
00:31:37.559 --> 00:31:40.839
a reason for saying for mentioning that, which I'll tell

520
00:31:40.880 --> 00:31:43.000
you in a minute. But it's hard to get to,

521
00:31:43.240 --> 00:31:44.759
you know, It's not the easiest place to get to.

522
00:31:45.240 --> 00:31:48.480
So anyway, we went up the night before, the evening before,

523
00:31:48.519 --> 00:31:51.240
because we wanted to set up camp and have everything

524
00:31:51.279 --> 00:31:56.039
ready for them, and so we were not in bigfoot mode,

525
00:31:56.599 --> 00:31:59.039
you know. I remember when I first got into this,

526
00:31:59.200 --> 00:32:02.279
somebody warned me, like, before you can get out of

527
00:32:02.319 --> 00:32:05.759
the car, put your audio recorders on. You never know

528
00:32:05.799 --> 00:32:08.119
what you're going to catch. But I wasn't thinking about that.

529
00:32:08.240 --> 00:32:11.000
I'm just like, oh my gosh, the Wall Street journalist

530
00:32:11.079 --> 00:32:14.839
coming tomorrow, so I better get cracking. So we didn't

531
00:32:14.880 --> 00:32:17.519
have any cameras set up, we didn't have any audio

532
00:32:17.920 --> 00:32:22.119
equipment set up nothing. We were just like, let's set

533
00:32:22.200 --> 00:32:25.160
up this canopy you know, so in case it rains,

534
00:32:25.279 --> 00:32:28.519
let's have some firewood, all that kind of stuff. So

535
00:32:29.319 --> 00:32:32.240
that night we were ready and we went to sleep.

536
00:32:32.440 --> 00:32:35.400
Never did any kind of research, nothing, We just were ready.

537
00:32:36.200 --> 00:32:42.279
And my friend Tina was in her van because you

538
00:32:42.319 --> 00:32:44.720
can drive up to the area where we were at,

539
00:32:44.799 --> 00:32:47.759
you know, there's some places to park, so she slept

540
00:32:47.799 --> 00:32:52.319
in her van on a cot. Next to her van

541
00:32:52.440 --> 00:32:55.799
in a tent was Monica. And I'm saying kind of

542
00:32:55.839 --> 00:32:57.519
giving you an idea what it was like, because that's

543
00:32:57.519 --> 00:33:04.279
important too. Then I'm so bad at distances, but I

544
00:33:04.319 --> 00:33:07.680
don't know, like maybe twenty yards away was me and

545
00:33:07.799 --> 00:33:12.839
my tent, and then further away from me were our

546
00:33:12.880 --> 00:33:17.039
friends Kevin and his daughter, and they were in tree hammocks,

547
00:33:17.240 --> 00:33:20.680
like tent hammocks up in a tree, and their dog

548
00:33:20.839 --> 00:33:24.559
was on the ground beneath them. So you kind of

549
00:33:24.839 --> 00:33:27.160
get this setup a little bit. So we had gone

550
00:33:27.240 --> 00:33:31.440
to sleep. It was dark. This area that you're in,

551
00:33:31.559 --> 00:33:35.160
you cannot, like very rarely get a text or a

552
00:33:35.160 --> 00:33:39.559
phone call or anything to go through. It's you know,

553
00:33:39.640 --> 00:33:42.599
there's just no service up there. So I'm in my

554
00:33:42.839 --> 00:33:46.880
tent and I couldn't sleep right away. It was very

555
00:33:47.000 --> 00:33:51.720
windy at first, and I was like playing a game

556
00:33:51.799 --> 00:33:53.559
on my phone, like something you didn't have to have

557
00:33:54.160 --> 00:33:58.319
WiFi for, and I was reading a little bit and

558
00:33:58.480 --> 00:34:03.799
as I was doing that, but I feel this, and

559
00:34:03.839 --> 00:34:06.400
I think I had like dozed off kind of you know,

560
00:34:06.440 --> 00:34:08.840
I can't I can't remember. It was just kind of

561
00:34:08.880 --> 00:34:11.800
like I need to fall asleep type of thing. And

562
00:34:12.679 --> 00:34:19.599
I feel this really odd feeling. So I don't know

563
00:34:19.679 --> 00:34:23.840
if you knew that. I am much much better. But

564
00:34:24.079 --> 00:34:27.760
a few years ago I got really sick and I

565
00:34:27.880 --> 00:34:30.840
was put into heart failure by when I got a

566
00:34:30.960 --> 00:34:34.079
really bad bout of COVID. So I had been very sick,

567
00:34:34.239 --> 00:34:37.440
had a lot of heart problems, and have been recovering

568
00:34:37.440 --> 00:34:39.719
ever since. So the reason I say that is like

569
00:34:40.360 --> 00:34:44.480
I thought something was wrong with my heart, Like it

570
00:34:44.559 --> 00:34:49.320
was just like I felt like it was like vibrating

571
00:34:49.639 --> 00:34:54.000
beating really heavy, and I'm like putting my hand on

572
00:34:54.039 --> 00:34:57.159
my chest. I'm like, oh my gosh, what's wrong. And

573
00:34:57.440 --> 00:35:01.119
I wasn't feeling nervous or you know, anything like that,

574
00:35:01.199 --> 00:35:04.559
So I'm like, why is this happening? So I'm lying

575
00:35:04.639 --> 00:35:08.719
there and it kind of the feeling kind of made

576
00:35:08.800 --> 00:35:12.199
me start to feel a little bit panicky because I'm like,

577
00:35:12.239 --> 00:35:14.800
oh my gosh, we're really far away, not just from

578
00:35:14.800 --> 00:35:17.679
a house or anything or to call anything, but to

579
00:35:17.679 --> 00:35:19.960
get to a hospital. It would take a really long

580
00:35:20.000 --> 00:35:23.280
time to get to. So I was nervous, but I

581
00:35:23.400 --> 00:35:25.599
just lie there for a little bit, lay there. I'm

582
00:35:25.599 --> 00:35:27.920
an English teacher. I just lay there for a little

583
00:35:27.920 --> 00:35:31.199
bit and I had to think about it for a minute,

584
00:35:31.719 --> 00:35:37.920
and I was nervous but that finally went away. But

585
00:35:38.000 --> 00:35:40.599
it shook me up enough that I just kind of

586
00:35:40.880 --> 00:35:43.159
was awake then and I'm like, what the heck was that?

587
00:35:44.199 --> 00:35:49.599
So about an hour later, I'm lying there again, and I,

588
00:35:49.760 --> 00:35:52.239
oh my gosh, like even to say it, like, I

589
00:35:52.280 --> 00:35:57.719
wish I could describe what this was like, but I can't, too,

590
00:35:58.079 --> 00:36:01.880
I can't, but I'll do my best. So I'm lying

591
00:36:01.880 --> 00:36:05.920
there in the dark. I had tried to message and

592
00:36:06.039 --> 00:36:09.840
tried to text Tina and the others, but it was

593
00:36:09.920 --> 00:36:12.159
it was windy, like I could have yelled, but I

594
00:36:12.239 --> 00:36:15.639
was also trying to like not ruin everybody's time, you know,

595
00:36:15.800 --> 00:36:19.840
So I'm like, uh, you know, I'm fine, I'm fine,

596
00:36:19.840 --> 00:36:21.880
I'm fine. So I was trying to convince myself of that,

597
00:36:22.440 --> 00:36:26.960
so About an hour later, I'm lying there and out

598
00:36:27.159 --> 00:36:32.039
from the woods like to the left past Tina's van,

599
00:36:32.159 --> 00:36:34.000
but to the left of it, so kind of behind

600
00:36:34.039 --> 00:36:39.199
where my car was parked. I hear this god awful

601
00:36:40.960 --> 00:36:48.639
roaring yell come out of the woods, and all I

602
00:36:48.639 --> 00:36:52.920
I just remember freezing, like, oh my gosh. It was

603
00:36:53.039 --> 00:36:59.480
absolutely terrifying. I wasn't in my head thinking bigfoot at

604
00:36:59.480 --> 00:37:02.920
the time. I didn't know what to think. I am

605
00:37:03.000 --> 00:37:06.960
not like the world's most knowledgeable person when it comes

606
00:37:07.039 --> 00:37:10.920
to animal calls, but I'm pretty knowledgeable about it. I'm

607
00:37:10.960 --> 00:37:14.719
a certified volunteer naturalist in Ohio. Had to go through

608
00:37:15.119 --> 00:37:18.000
different training, and I also train myself, you know, and

609
00:37:18.039 --> 00:37:21.239
take other classes and they train myself about animal calls

610
00:37:21.239 --> 00:37:23.599
and things like that, because I always say, I think

611
00:37:23.599 --> 00:37:26.760
it's important to know what isn't bigfoot, you know, like

612
00:37:26.800 --> 00:37:29.559
what other things are making noises and leaving tracks and

613
00:37:29.599 --> 00:37:32.719
things like that. So I knew it was not a bear.

614
00:37:33.679 --> 00:37:39.159
I'm what it sounded like to me was like one

615
00:37:39.199 --> 00:37:45.480
of those warrior men, those island warriors where they do

616
00:37:45.599 --> 00:37:49.400
that is the hakkah, is that what it's called. Just

617
00:37:49.519 --> 00:37:53.280
that those yells, you know that they do It wasn't

618
00:37:53.280 --> 00:37:55.880
a scream, really. I might have called it that in

619
00:37:55.920 --> 00:37:57.559
the past, but it's more it was more.

620
00:37:57.440 --> 00:38:06.159
Of a really big, deep, loud yell, like aggressive, and

621
00:38:06.320 --> 00:38:08.519
like now when I look back at it, I feel

622
00:38:08.519 --> 00:38:11.039
like if I was standing in front of whatever or

623
00:38:11.039 --> 00:38:13.519
whoever was doing that, like my hair would have blown back,

624
00:38:13.599 --> 00:38:16.239
like in a cartoon or something, because it was just

625
00:38:16.760 --> 00:38:17.800
so powerful.

626
00:38:18.519 --> 00:38:22.920
So I'm in that tent and I'm like, oh my gosh,

627
00:38:22.960 --> 00:38:25.480
Like I was just thinking, like we're all going to

628
00:38:25.519 --> 00:38:28.199
be murdered by somebody or something, you know. I just

629
00:38:28.599 --> 00:38:32.679
it was I was scared. So I was quiet for

630
00:38:32.719 --> 00:38:35.760
a little bit and then I was just like, I

631
00:38:35.880 --> 00:38:37.719
got to get out of here. I didn't want to

632
00:38:37.760 --> 00:38:43.039
be in that tent, you know, like a sitting duck

633
00:38:43.159 --> 00:38:46.559
or whatever. So you know, and I've been I've camped

634
00:38:46.599 --> 00:38:49.280
places like I've camped where there've been grizzly bears and

635
00:38:49.400 --> 00:38:53.079
mountain lions and you know, scary things. And I'm not

636
00:38:53.519 --> 00:38:56.599
sitting here saying I've never been scared before, because I have,

637
00:38:57.199 --> 00:39:00.320
but never to the point where I was like, get

638
00:39:00.360 --> 00:39:03.719
me out of here. And I made a move for that.

639
00:39:04.400 --> 00:39:07.480
So my stomach was upset. It was just really scary.

640
00:39:07.559 --> 00:39:11.079
So I ended up getting out of the tent and

641
00:39:11.119 --> 00:39:15.719
I went over to my car, and you know, in

642
00:39:15.760 --> 00:39:18.199
the meantime, like I had called out to Monica, she

643
00:39:18.280 --> 00:39:21.280
finally heard me and she's like, are you okay? And

644
00:39:21.880 --> 00:39:26.280
I ended up in my car, and Tina said from

645
00:39:26.360 --> 00:39:28.800
her van, like she she heard Monica and I talking,

646
00:39:28.880 --> 00:39:30.800
she could see me with my head lamp on, like

647
00:39:31.440 --> 00:39:34.320
looking around all night because I just sat in my

648
00:39:34.480 --> 00:39:38.960
car steared so fast forward to the next morning, like

649
00:39:39.039 --> 00:39:42.559
nothing else ever happened that night, but I could not sleep.

650
00:39:42.960 --> 00:39:46.159
And the next morning, we were all bedraggled and sitting

651
00:39:46.280 --> 00:39:53.000
there drinking some coffee, and Tina was like, to my left,

652
00:39:53.039 --> 00:39:56.159
Monica was to my right, Kevin was over further to

653
00:39:56.199 --> 00:39:59.239
the right. We're all talking and we're talking a little

654
00:39:59.239 --> 00:40:02.519
bit about some stuff. And then Tina said, well, in

655
00:40:02.599 --> 00:40:05.119
other news, I think I'm gonna have to miss all

656
00:40:05.159 --> 00:40:09.400
of this whole thing today with the reporter. And we

657
00:40:09.400 --> 00:40:12.760
were like, what happened? And she said, well, I think

658
00:40:12.840 --> 00:40:15.960
I was having a medical emergency last night because I

659
00:40:16.039 --> 00:40:21.800
was having these really bad heart palpitations. And I myself

660
00:40:22.000 --> 00:40:25.519
and Monica just like whipped our heads around because we

661
00:40:25.559 --> 00:40:29.559
had already talked about the yell and stuff, but I

662
00:40:29.599 --> 00:40:32.199
had like the yell scared me so much that I

663
00:40:32.239 --> 00:40:36.880
wasn't thinking about the heart beating weird stuff. And we're like,

664
00:40:37.039 --> 00:40:39.719
that happened to me, that happened to her, now did

665
00:40:39.800 --> 00:40:42.320
not happen to Kevin. He was up in the tree though,

666
00:40:42.360 --> 00:40:44.000
so I don't know if that's why, and he was

667
00:40:44.079 --> 00:40:48.559
further away. But another thing, when that yell happened, I

668
00:40:48.599 --> 00:40:53.119
heard it, Monica did, and Kevin's dog started barking, and

669
00:40:53.199 --> 00:40:55.480
the dog was barking toward where it came from and

670
00:40:55.559 --> 00:40:59.639
also the other way, and it wouldn't settle down until

671
00:41:00.039 --> 00:41:03.199
have been like unzipped his hammock tent and brought the

672
00:41:03.239 --> 00:41:08.079
dog in with him. So it's like everybody was experiencing something,

673
00:41:08.079 --> 00:41:10.760
but Kevin didn't hear it. It was windy, so I

674
00:41:10.800 --> 00:41:13.159
don't know, like I don't know the dynamics of why

675
00:41:13.280 --> 00:41:16.599
some of us experienced certain things and why so it

676
00:41:16.679 --> 00:41:20.760
was heard things and others didn't. But it was interesting

677
00:41:20.840 --> 00:41:25.800
how we could kind of corroborate things. Still don't know

678
00:41:25.800 --> 00:41:29.679
what that was, and I don't automatically jump to it

679
00:41:29.719 --> 00:41:33.639
was bigfoot, although who knows there's been lots of sightings there,

680
00:41:33.760 --> 00:41:38.039
which is why we were taking them there. We tried

681
00:41:38.159 --> 00:41:41.519
to do our due diligence to figure out what that

682
00:41:41.599 --> 00:41:45.800
could be. You know, we looked into fracking, if there

683
00:41:45.840 --> 00:41:48.840
was any fracking going on around there, if there's any

684
00:41:48.880 --> 00:41:54.159
seismic activity going on around there. The reason I talked

685
00:41:54.199 --> 00:41:57.280
about how bad the road is, like I absolutely am

686
00:41:57.280 --> 00:41:58.960
sure if it was like some kind of a truck

687
00:41:59.079 --> 00:42:01.760
or something coming up, we would have known that, Like

688
00:42:02.079 --> 00:42:04.320
that would not have been that would not have been

689
00:42:04.360 --> 00:42:06.559
a secret if any kind of vehicle came up there.

690
00:42:06.559 --> 00:42:11.039
But that's not what it felt like. And for several

691
00:42:11.199 --> 00:42:14.880
weeks after that, especially Tina and I were both having

692
00:42:14.920 --> 00:42:20.480
these weird nightmares about it, like just like waking up panicked, like,

693
00:42:20.559 --> 00:42:23.840
oh my gosh, there's something there. There's something there. And

694
00:42:25.159 --> 00:42:27.159
I said to her, you know what, it reminded me

695
00:42:27.239 --> 00:42:31.400
of that weird vibration, you know, I said it, it

696
00:42:31.480 --> 00:42:35.480
reminded me kind of a Jurassic Park where the glass

697
00:42:35.480 --> 00:42:38.960
of water was vibrating when the when the t Rex

698
00:42:39.079 --> 00:42:42.000
was walking around, you know, like it was like boom boom,

699
00:42:42.119 --> 00:42:46.440
or like a bass in a music or something. So

700
00:42:47.960 --> 00:42:50.199
I don't know, what it was, Jeremiah, But I still

701
00:42:50.239 --> 00:42:54.800
think about it. And the last time, well the last

702
00:42:54.840 --> 00:42:57.599
several times that I've been up there, I've still I

703
00:42:57.639 --> 00:43:00.360
haven't camped in a tent. I've camped in my car.

704
00:43:00.599 --> 00:43:04.400
I slept in my car because it really shook me up.

705
00:43:04.679 --> 00:43:07.920
I don't know what it was. So that's that creepy story.

706
00:43:08.639 --> 00:43:12.079
That's an extremely creepy story. And I don't like to

707
00:43:12.119 --> 00:43:15.800
talk about myself a lot on these, but in this

708
00:43:15.920 --> 00:43:19.639
case I'm going to because I have also experienced that.

709
00:43:20.039 --> 00:43:22.480
The way you described it is the same exact thing

710
00:43:22.519 --> 00:43:24.719
that I experienced when I went out a month or

711
00:43:24.719 --> 00:43:30.000
so ago and my son to Dono Tate Hieronymous I do.

712
00:43:30.320 --> 00:43:31.960
I don't know him personally, but I know who he

713
00:43:32.039 --> 00:43:32.599
is yet. Yeah.

714
00:43:32.639 --> 00:43:35.320
So he has a research area in Iowa, and we

715
00:43:35.400 --> 00:43:37.239
go there and my kid wanted to go out on

716
00:43:37.280 --> 00:43:40.920
a bigfoot adventure. And I've talked about this before, but

717
00:43:40.960 --> 00:43:44.159
pretty much what happened to me the night we were

718
00:43:44.199 --> 00:43:46.880
staying over, when it was dusk is I started having

719
00:43:47.000 --> 00:43:52.639
heart palpitations exactly how you described it, and I thought

720
00:43:52.639 --> 00:43:54.679
that we were going to have to drive immediately to

721
00:43:54.920 --> 00:43:59.199
a hospital, and my mood it changed, and it was

722
00:43:59.280 --> 00:44:01.880
even to the point where I almost walked away from

723
00:44:01.960 --> 00:44:04.920
this completely until we left the area in about ten

724
00:44:04.960 --> 00:44:09.920
minutes away from the area, my mood changed and I've

725
00:44:09.920 --> 00:44:13.079
always wondered what that was. And it's just really interesting

726
00:44:13.119 --> 00:44:16.360
to hear you describe what happened to more than just you.

727
00:44:17.360 --> 00:44:19.840
And I've been trying to figure out is this an

728
00:44:19.840 --> 00:44:23.280
infrasound thing or what is this because it's in an

729
00:44:23.440 --> 00:44:25.440
extremely squashy area too.

730
00:44:27.280 --> 00:44:29.360
We've talked about that. Somebody brought that up to us,

731
00:44:29.360 --> 00:44:31.760
and I'm like, I don't know if that's what it was.

732
00:44:31.880 --> 00:44:34.039
I suppose it could have been. You know, I'm open

733
00:44:34.079 --> 00:44:40.039
to that explanation. It physically affected us, you know, I mean,

734
00:44:40.280 --> 00:44:42.760
my mom's going to say this is TMI, but the

735
00:44:42.800 --> 00:44:46.400
real reason I got out of the tent to get

736
00:44:46.480 --> 00:44:48.119
to my car was I also had to go to

737
00:44:48.159 --> 00:44:53.320
the bathroom. Like it just affected me my stomach and everything.

738
00:44:53.800 --> 00:44:57.199
So sorry, but I mean, I but honestly, that's happened

739
00:44:57.239 --> 00:45:00.719
to other people, so really that's important detail where it

740
00:45:00.800 --> 00:45:05.679
was like it just shook my entire self up. So

741
00:45:05.840 --> 00:45:07.639
I don't know if that's what it was or not.

742
00:45:08.280 --> 00:45:12.760
I don't know, but it was really disconcerting.

743
00:45:12.840 --> 00:45:16.360
For sure, it is I can definitely see how that

744
00:45:16.400 --> 00:45:21.679
would be affecting your your dreams. That's a scary, scary

745
00:45:21.719 --> 00:45:26.760
thing to live through. And after this I will have

746
00:45:27.159 --> 00:45:30.239
done other episodes before this comes out. But I've also

747
00:45:31.480 --> 00:45:35.440
experienced the roar out in the Willlamme att National Force,

748
00:45:35.480 --> 00:45:40.039
similar to what you experienced, And it's just the more

749
00:45:40.079 --> 00:45:43.880
I get into this, and it's like there's something going

750
00:45:43.920 --> 00:45:46.440
on out in the woods. If people in different parts

751
00:45:46.440 --> 00:45:50.480
of the US are experiencing similar things like this, it's

752
00:45:50.599 --> 00:45:53.400
just some kind of This is a mystery. It needs

753
00:45:53.400 --> 00:45:56.079
to be solved. And I think this is a perfect

754
00:45:56.119 --> 00:45:59.719
segue into if we could talk about what you're doing

755
00:45:59.760 --> 00:46:02.159
with Project zoo Book to further.

756
00:46:03.400 --> 00:46:05.519
The solving of this mystery.

757
00:46:06.159 --> 00:46:09.920
Absolutely so Project zoo Book in a nutshell, we call

758
00:46:09.960 --> 00:46:17.000
ourselves a think tank of researchers and scientists, and we

759
00:46:17.119 --> 00:46:21.599
started in twenty eighteen. I think I first met our

760
00:46:21.639 --> 00:46:26.960
first to primate zoologists in twenty seventeen, but we kind

761
00:46:26.960 --> 00:46:31.639
of started in twenty eighteen to really talk about things.

762
00:46:32.079 --> 00:46:35.280
They had a Bigfoot lunch club they called it at

763
00:46:35.320 --> 00:46:41.800
their zoo in the primate department because they especially the

764
00:46:41.920 --> 00:46:45.880
two that I'm talking about, But the other zookeepers at

765
00:46:45.920 --> 00:46:49.360
the time were also interested in bigfoot, and I stumbled

766
00:46:49.360 --> 00:46:52.800
across one of them out in a Facebook group and

767
00:46:52.880 --> 00:46:58.119
we became friends and our colleagues. And it's longer story

768
00:46:58.119 --> 00:47:01.920
than that, but long story short. From that time, when

769
00:47:01.920 --> 00:47:04.639
we first started just having kind of group phone calls,

770
00:47:06.280 --> 00:47:10.440
I knew at the time that at least I hadn't

771
00:47:10.519 --> 00:47:13.840
had a lot of scientists that were taking the topic

772
00:47:13.880 --> 00:47:16.079
of bigfoot seriously.

773
00:47:16.400 --> 00:47:19.199
Big for society, who will be right back after these messages.

774
00:47:35.320 --> 00:47:38.400
So I felt like, I mean, maybe it sounds dramatic,

775
00:47:38.440 --> 00:47:43.440
but I did feel a responsibility to bring people to

776
00:47:43.679 --> 00:47:46.800
them that knew a lot more than I did. You know,

777
00:47:46.920 --> 00:47:49.320
I have read a lot and I experienced some things.

778
00:47:49.679 --> 00:47:53.280
But although I don't think there are experts in bigfooting,

779
00:47:53.320 --> 00:47:55.440
there are people that know more, you know, or who

780
00:47:55.480 --> 00:47:58.719
have experienced more and know about certain topics and all

781
00:47:58.760 --> 00:48:02.480
of that. So we just started having these every other

782
00:48:02.519 --> 00:48:05.400
Thursday night. We started having these phone calls. Then it

783
00:48:05.440 --> 00:48:09.679
turned into zoom calls once that became more popular, and

784
00:48:09.719 --> 00:48:14.239
we've been doing it ever since. We you know, we

785
00:48:14.280 --> 00:48:20.679
have independent researchers in Project Zoo book, where I always

786
00:48:20.679 --> 00:48:25.400
call myself kind of the coordinator of things, where say

787
00:48:25.480 --> 00:48:27.679
one Thursday night, there's a whole bunch of us on

788
00:48:27.719 --> 00:48:31.239
a zoom call, and it could be like we have

789
00:48:31.320 --> 00:48:33.880
a certain topic I like infrasound, like we were just

790
00:48:33.920 --> 00:48:37.679
talking about something like that, where we might get an

791
00:48:37.760 --> 00:48:42.199
expert in the scientific arena to talk about that. Or

792
00:48:42.239 --> 00:48:47.239
we have some primatologists that will talk about great apes

793
00:48:47.280 --> 00:48:51.840
and different behavior. We have wildlife biologists, we have marine biologists,

794
00:48:51.920 --> 00:48:58.440
we have anthropologists, et cetera. And everybody brings something to

795
00:48:58.480 --> 00:49:04.159
the table where we will discuss things about, you know,

796
00:49:04.760 --> 00:49:08.000
if bigfoot is real, because a lot of our scientists

797
00:49:08.039 --> 00:49:13.480
are still hopeful skeptics like what I call that. Some

798
00:49:13.639 --> 00:49:17.599
have had experiences so they know it's real, they say,

799
00:49:19.440 --> 00:49:25.880
But we're trying to number one, make the topic of

800
00:49:26.000 --> 00:49:29.840
bigfoot less taboo in scientific circles, like doctor John binder

801
00:49:29.920 --> 00:49:33.280
Naga wanted to happen, so we're kind of standing on

802
00:49:33.320 --> 00:49:37.960
his shoulders and furthering that a lot of our scientists

803
00:49:38.159 --> 00:49:42.239
are still I always say, in the bigfoot closet, where

804
00:49:42.480 --> 00:49:45.440
they are very open to it and perhaps even saw one,

805
00:49:45.880 --> 00:49:50.760
but are worried about losing their funding or credibility. Unfortunately,

806
00:49:51.000 --> 00:49:53.079
I get it. I always say I'm the mama bearer

807
00:49:53.119 --> 00:49:55.679
of the group because if they don't want to be

808
00:49:55.760 --> 00:49:59.199
involved openly, then that is fine with me, because I

809
00:49:59.239 --> 00:50:03.360
think somedays that's going to happen. I just support however

810
00:50:03.480 --> 00:50:06.280
much they want to dip their toes out into the

811
00:50:06.320 --> 00:50:08.920
public world through all of this. So we have some

812
00:50:09.079 --> 00:50:12.159
that have spoken with me at different places. We have

813
00:50:12.320 --> 00:50:17.800
others who were interviewed for Doug Hicheck's upcoming Sasquatch Legitimate

814
00:50:17.880 --> 00:50:21.360
Science documentary, and then we have some who probably will

815
00:50:21.400 --> 00:50:25.280
always remain a bit under the radar, undercover because of

816
00:50:25.320 --> 00:50:31.119
their jobs. I always say that to not just the

817
00:50:31.199 --> 00:50:35.920
general public, but to people in academia some people, not all,

818
00:50:36.440 --> 00:50:42.199
but some people. If a scientist says they are seriously

819
00:50:42.239 --> 00:50:47.320
looking into bigfoot as a living breathing species, that they

820
00:50:47.400 --> 00:50:50.360
might as well be saying that they are looking for smurfs.

821
00:50:50.840 --> 00:50:52.320
I say that a lot, but I think it's a

822
00:50:52.320 --> 00:50:55.199
really good analogy where for some people, others are more

823
00:50:55.199 --> 00:50:58.599
open to it. And another thing I want to say

824
00:50:58.599 --> 00:51:00.639
about it, I have a couple of things. One thing

825
00:51:00.639 --> 00:51:03.599
I want to say about it is that We don't

826
00:51:03.719 --> 00:51:10.400
claim to know exactly what bigfoot is. Our interest and

827
00:51:10.639 --> 00:51:16.320
our area of study is could there be a living, breathing, pooping,

828
00:51:16.440 --> 00:51:20.920
mating natural creature out there? Like that's where our research

829
00:51:21.039 --> 00:51:24.320
is based. I personally have friends who look at things

830
00:51:24.400 --> 00:51:27.239
very differently, and I'm fine with that. Like, I think

831
00:51:27.280 --> 00:51:31.440
everybody should take their interests, take you know, their experiences,

832
00:51:32.000 --> 00:51:35.559
and follow the path that you know they're kind of

833
00:51:36.639 --> 00:51:40.119
interested in following. So and maybe the answer is somewhere

834
00:51:40.159 --> 00:51:42.360
in between all of it. But you know, I hate

835
00:51:42.360 --> 00:51:45.559
it when people are always fighting in the bigfoot community

836
00:51:45.679 --> 00:51:50.639
because to me, a lot of times when people talk

837
00:51:50.679 --> 00:51:55.559
about like the woo or more paranormal supernatural things. And

838
00:51:55.599 --> 00:51:58.119
I'm not just saying this to be wishy washy or not,

839
00:51:58.559 --> 00:52:01.000
but I truly think that some of that it's just

840
00:52:01.039 --> 00:52:04.480
science we haven't put a name to yet or we

841
00:52:04.519 --> 00:52:09.440
haven't figured out how it works yet. So in Zoo

842
00:52:09.440 --> 00:52:13.639
Book Project Zoo Book, we're definitely you know, using scientific

843
00:52:13.719 --> 00:52:17.800
method seeing where that takes us. That is what I

844
00:52:17.840 --> 00:52:21.840
think Bigfoot could be. But I'm a cheerleader for other

845
00:52:22.440 --> 00:52:26.559
groups or individuals that take a different stance. I guess

846
00:52:27.480 --> 00:52:31.800
the other thing we hope to accomplish is you know,

847
00:52:31.840 --> 00:52:34.199
we have all these different individuals, whether you talk about

848
00:52:34.199 --> 00:52:36.800
the scientists or the researchers, and we have a lot

849
00:52:36.800 --> 00:52:43.159
of different projects going on, so we might have a

850
00:52:43.159 --> 00:52:44.920
lot of things I can't talk about it. I'm not

851
00:52:44.960 --> 00:52:47.159
trying to be vague, but you know, just out of

852
00:52:47.159 --> 00:52:50.360
respect for the scientists, but we might have you know,

853
00:52:51.440 --> 00:52:55.480
this researcher in scientists out in the Pacific Northwest working

854
00:52:56.239 --> 00:52:59.079
on a micro study of an area, or we might

855
00:52:59.360 --> 00:53:05.280
have a couple of the scientists working on data collection,

856
00:53:05.639 --> 00:53:09.159
you know, from different reports. There's lots of stuff going on,

857
00:53:09.400 --> 00:53:12.360
and we get together on those Zoom calls to talk

858
00:53:12.400 --> 00:53:16.440
about what people are doing, to listen to witness reports,

859
00:53:16.960 --> 00:53:21.760
to share our own experiences, and we hope that someday

860
00:53:22.079 --> 00:53:26.320
just there's a lot of crossover between the Olympic Project

861
00:53:26.559 --> 00:53:29.280
and Project Zoom Book. We have a lot of members shared,

862
00:53:30.599 --> 00:53:34.880
but so we share the goal of being able to

863
00:53:35.039 --> 00:53:40.360
someday take any bits that we've either learned or conjectured,

864
00:53:40.960 --> 00:53:44.000
you know, because again we're not experts. We're trying to

865
00:53:44.000 --> 00:53:47.480
figure this out just like everybody else. But when and

866
00:53:47.599 --> 00:53:52.840
if Bigfoot is confirmed as a new species, that we

867
00:53:52.880 --> 00:53:56.679
would be able to take what we've learned and hand

868
00:53:56.719 --> 00:54:00.159
it to the powers that be and trying to to

869
00:54:00.280 --> 00:54:05.599
help preserve and protect them as a species. So that's

870
00:54:06.280 --> 00:54:10.079
our goal. We have a lot of fun. We've been

871
00:54:10.280 --> 00:54:15.119
going strong for six years now, and I love it.

872
00:54:15.119 --> 00:54:16.760
It's one of my favorite things to do and one

873
00:54:16.800 --> 00:54:18.320
of my favorite things that I'm involved in.

874
00:54:19.639 --> 00:54:25.800
It's refreshing to hear someone else say the same viewpoint

875
00:54:25.840 --> 00:54:29.719
that I personally hold, which I've always felt that like

876
00:54:29.800 --> 00:54:32.599
kind of you said, feels like you're doing a cop out,

877
00:54:32.639 --> 00:54:35.719
but I mean that is literally My viewpoint too, is

878
00:54:35.719 --> 00:54:38.760
that it's probably a physical creature that can do stuff

879
00:54:38.800 --> 00:54:40.280
that science can't understand.

880
00:54:40.360 --> 00:54:45.039
You, That's what I think you know? And why not?

881
00:54:45.519 --> 00:54:47.639
I mean, there's so much we don't know. I think

882
00:54:47.719 --> 00:54:51.440
it's to me personally, I think it's arrogant to act

883
00:54:51.480 --> 00:54:55.880
like we know everything. Right. There could be two different

884
00:54:55.920 --> 00:54:59.360
things going on, one with a physical creature and something

885
00:54:59.360 --> 00:55:02.280
else that but are experiencing. I don't know, but I'm

886
00:55:02.320 --> 00:55:05.960
not afraid to say that. You know, I think absolutely

887
00:55:06.039 --> 00:55:11.039
think Bigfoot could be just a I don't think any

888
00:55:11.360 --> 00:55:14.760
animal or person is normal, but you know, I think

889
00:55:14.800 --> 00:55:20.039
it could be a earthly creature, and that would be

890
00:55:20.159 --> 00:55:23.320
so cool if that's what it is, and that's where

891
00:55:23.360 --> 00:55:27.199
our work is focused. I always say that while I'm

892
00:55:27.199 --> 00:55:29.239
out looking for Bigfoot, wouldn't it be awesome if I

893
00:55:29.239 --> 00:55:31.519
found a new fungus or something like that, you know,

894
00:55:31.880 --> 00:55:35.119
especially as a as a volunteer naturalist, that would be

895
00:55:35.199 --> 00:55:39.199
really neat. But I think it's important to be looking

896
00:55:39.239 --> 00:55:42.159
outside the box too. That's where most of the scientific

897
00:55:42.199 --> 00:55:44.360
discoveries are are outside the box.

898
00:55:45.159 --> 00:55:50.840
Absolutely there, there's just so many. I would say, it's

899
00:55:50.960 --> 00:55:53.760
weird stuff, and it would be great if we could

900
00:55:53.920 --> 00:55:58.760
in some way discover that, yeah, there is maybe some

901
00:55:58.880 --> 00:56:06.920
animal that can affect affect our hearts, or even maybe

902
00:56:07.159 --> 00:56:09.280
the way that we think or the way that we

903
00:56:09.440 --> 00:56:13.599
hear in certain areas. I heard some very interesting theories

904
00:56:13.719 --> 00:56:18.559
out in Oregon over a week or so ago. The

905
00:56:18.800 --> 00:56:22.280
UAP community or the UFO community has been having a

906
00:56:22.320 --> 00:56:27.760
field day over the last few years with just different

907
00:56:27.800 --> 00:56:31.760
things coming out, different disclosure things.

908
00:56:32.079 --> 00:56:33.960
Do you think that we might ever.

909
00:56:33.840 --> 00:56:37.039
Get to the point where there's like a Bigfoot disclosure

910
00:56:37.119 --> 00:56:40.280
heyday or maybe maybe not.

911
00:56:41.760 --> 00:56:45.960
I think there could, absolutely there could be, you know,

912
00:56:47.599 --> 00:56:50.360
if they are real and I do think that they are.

913
00:56:50.719 --> 00:56:53.000
But let's say they are. I do think it's just

914
00:56:53.039 --> 00:56:55.159
a matter of time for that to happen. You know,

915
00:56:55.199 --> 00:57:00.159
I've never ever been a huge conspiracy theorist, but I

916
00:57:00.199 --> 00:57:04.280
find myself more and more wondering about things like that,

917
00:57:05.000 --> 00:57:09.920
especially after the UAP information that's come out lately. You know,

918
00:57:10.000 --> 00:57:12.519
being a friend of Micah Hanks puts me in that

919
00:57:13.679 --> 00:57:17.360
in that, you know, he started heart started me being

920
00:57:17.400 --> 00:57:21.360
really interested in all of that, and I'm like, wow,

921
00:57:21.719 --> 00:57:24.199
you know here, I am, Oh, they would tell us

922
00:57:24.239 --> 00:57:30.280
if they knew anything, and nope. So I think I

923
00:57:30.320 --> 00:57:34.320
think that there definitely could be a day of reckoning where,

924
00:57:35.719 --> 00:57:37.760
you know, I don't know if that's the case, but

925
00:57:38.719 --> 00:57:41.719
I think there could be where we find out, oh,

926
00:57:41.760 --> 00:57:44.239
we've known they were there all along. Why not.

927
00:57:45.239 --> 00:57:49.920
Absolutely your research from the years and going different places,

928
00:57:49.960 --> 00:57:54.199
do you have a feeling where, Man, it feels like

929
00:57:54.679 --> 00:57:58.360
probably this area of the US is at the end

930
00:57:58.400 --> 00:58:00.639
of the day, it's going to be the place where

931
00:58:00.880 --> 00:58:01.920
it all goes down.

932
00:58:03.840 --> 00:58:07.880
You know, I mean, just from spending time out there

933
00:58:08.320 --> 00:58:12.679
when you're in the Pacific Northwest. I was told and

934
00:58:12.719 --> 00:58:15.599
I've never researched this for myself, but it sounds right.

935
00:58:16.519 --> 00:58:20.679
I was told that in the forests of the Pacific Northwest,

936
00:58:20.960 --> 00:58:25.039
you know, covering that area, that there are like fifty

937
00:58:26.519 --> 00:58:29.159
this is true, I don't know, but I've been told

938
00:58:29.159 --> 00:58:33.920
that they're like over fifty small aircraft missing. And to me,

939
00:58:34.079 --> 00:58:36.960
that's not even hard to believe because when you're there,

940
00:58:37.000 --> 00:58:41.840
those forests are so huge, and here we are looking

941
00:58:41.840 --> 00:58:46.000
for something where they can move around. They are intelligent,

942
00:58:46.039 --> 00:58:49.599
they can hide. You know, there might not be that

943
00:58:49.760 --> 00:58:51.920
many of them, you know, compared to a bear or

944
00:58:51.960 --> 00:58:57.360
anything like that. So I personally think it could be

945
00:58:57.440 --> 00:59:03.639
out there. What I do, what I think it should,

946
00:59:03.840 --> 00:59:08.480
where I think it should come from. And you know,

947
00:59:08.559 --> 00:59:10.960
I have mixed feelings about it. I just I just

948
00:59:11.000 --> 00:59:14.559
spoke at a library and one of the people asked me, like,

949
00:59:14.639 --> 00:59:17.679
why are you trying to expose them? Why don't you

950
00:59:17.760 --> 00:59:20.280
just let them stay hidden? And I'm like, believe me,

951
00:59:20.920 --> 00:59:23.599
I hope that they stay hidden. You know, that would

952
00:59:23.639 --> 00:59:27.360
be the best scenario. Like I selfishly, I would love

953
00:59:27.840 --> 00:59:30.039
to have a really good sighting just so I would

954
00:59:30.199 --> 00:59:33.320
never doubt it again, you know, But that would be

955
00:59:33.360 --> 00:59:37.519
the perfect thing, is if they just stay to themselves

956
00:59:37.599 --> 00:59:41.199
and it's always a mystery, and they'll be protected like that.

957
00:59:41.400 --> 00:59:44.400
But I just feel that someday it's going to come

958
00:59:44.400 --> 00:59:47.719
out and it's going to be people like us that

959
00:59:47.960 --> 00:59:50.639
are going to have to fight for them to be protected.

960
00:59:51.960 --> 00:59:57.400
But back to your question, if and when that truth

961
00:59:57.440 --> 01:00:02.280
comes out, I hope that comes from our indigenous people.

962
01:00:03.039 --> 01:00:06.199
That's probably the thing that keeps me going the most,

963
01:00:06.239 --> 01:00:09.039
and the thing that I have the most interest in

964
01:00:09.079 --> 01:00:12.559
and the most respect for. You know, I was out

965
01:00:12.599 --> 01:00:15.760
in Montana a group of us from Project Zubook. We're

966
01:00:15.840 --> 01:00:19.639
invited to go out to the Blackfeet Reservation there overlooking

967
01:00:19.679 --> 01:00:24.920
Glacier National Park, and these wonderful ladies invited us out there.

968
01:00:25.320 --> 01:00:28.039
We camped on their private land. They took us on

969
01:00:28.079 --> 01:00:31.199
a hike where different in a meet Topee And I

970
01:00:31.239 --> 01:00:34.360
hope I'm saying that right. But Harryman's sightings had been

971
01:00:35.480 --> 01:00:39.199
We talked to different members of the Black Creet Nation

972
01:00:39.440 --> 01:00:43.679
and they told us about their experiences with the Hairyman,

973
01:00:44.000 --> 01:00:47.280
and they were just so matter of fact about it.

974
01:00:47.639 --> 01:00:49.679
You know, you had asked me earlier about were there

975
01:00:49.840 --> 01:00:52.679
was there any times when I kind of had an

976
01:00:53.000 --> 01:00:55.800
awakening about or I'm not sure that was your word,

977
01:00:55.840 --> 01:00:58.800
but like an aha moment about these that would have

978
01:00:58.840 --> 01:01:03.559
been one of them spending time with the Blackfeet, and

979
01:01:04.639 --> 01:01:07.480
just that it was taken for granted that they were real.

980
01:01:07.800 --> 01:01:10.639
Another time is when I was out at the nest

981
01:01:10.639 --> 01:01:13.360
site for the Olympic Project and I was there with

982
01:01:13.440 --> 01:01:16.920
two primate specialists and the looks on their faces when

983
01:01:16.920 --> 01:01:19.920
they talked about how those nests looked so much like

984
01:01:20.480 --> 01:01:24.840
the gorilla us they had seen over in Africa. You know,

985
01:01:24.960 --> 01:01:28.880
those were like my, oh my gosh, Bigfoot is real moments.

986
01:01:29.320 --> 01:01:32.320
You know, big for society will be right back after

987
01:01:32.360 --> 01:01:33.119
these messages.

988
01:01:50.199 --> 01:01:55.039
But I hope that our first nations, our indigenous people,

989
01:01:55.880 --> 01:02:00.000
have something to do with you know, if it gets

990
01:02:00.239 --> 01:02:03.800
to that where there's no more denying the fact that

991
01:02:04.280 --> 01:02:09.000
they exist, that they're going to be involved in protecting Bigfoot,

992
01:02:09.360 --> 01:02:12.800
the harry Man, Sasquatch, and the meetp whatever you call them, skuncape,

993
01:02:13.960 --> 01:02:15.280
I think we should listen to them.

994
01:02:16.360 --> 01:02:20.440
Oh, I absolutely agree, And so you were This is

995
01:02:20.480 --> 01:02:23.719
really interesting because this is an anecdote that I've heard

996
01:02:23.760 --> 01:02:28.119
and also said multiple times. Usually when people ask me

997
01:02:28.199 --> 01:02:31.480
what they what my favorite Bigfoot evidence is, and I'll

998
01:02:31.519 --> 01:02:34.360
say something to the effect of well, the Olympic Project

999
01:02:34.360 --> 01:02:36.960
found these nests and they brought these primatologists out there,

1000
01:02:37.000 --> 01:02:39.400
and the primatologists were like, wow, it seems like this,

1001
01:02:39.960 --> 01:02:41.679
and so you were actually there for that.

1002
01:02:42.239 --> 01:02:45.639
I was there. Yeah, it was two of our two

1003
01:02:45.719 --> 01:02:48.559
from our pro Project Zoo book that we flew out

1004
01:02:48.639 --> 01:02:51.880
and I was already in I was already a member

1005
01:02:51.880 --> 01:02:55.480
of the Olympic Project at the time, but even members

1006
01:02:55.480 --> 01:02:57.719
of the Olympic Project, not everyone has been to that

1007
01:02:57.840 --> 01:03:01.039
nest site. So I did an automatic assumed that I

1008
01:03:01.159 --> 01:03:05.320
was going to get to go, but Derek Grandalls kindly

1009
01:03:05.360 --> 01:03:07.679
invited me to come along. So I was like the

1010
01:03:07.760 --> 01:03:11.000
fly on the wall, like super excited about it. But

1011
01:03:11.119 --> 01:03:14.000
I will just never ever forget the looks on their faces.

1012
01:03:15.480 --> 01:03:20.119
These two individuals worked with great apes. You know. One

1013
01:03:20.159 --> 01:03:25.360
of them was over in Africa. The curator at a

1014
01:03:25.480 --> 01:03:27.320
zoo he used to work with was one of the

1015
01:03:27.320 --> 01:03:31.119
first scientists that had ever seen across river gorilla in

1016
01:03:31.159 --> 01:03:33.320
the wild. You know. He had lived there for eight

1017
01:03:33.480 --> 01:03:36.679
years on the border of Cameron in Nigeria, and he

1018
01:03:36.760 --> 01:03:40.679
finally saw some cross river gorillas for ten seconds and

1019
01:03:40.719 --> 01:03:43.800
then they were gone. And after eight years, you know,

1020
01:03:43.960 --> 01:03:48.280
so these are people that know what they're talking about,

1021
01:03:48.760 --> 01:03:52.119
and they've never said for sure, you know, and even

1022
01:03:52.119 --> 01:03:56.079
the Olympic Project, we don't say for sure that that's

1023
01:03:56.119 --> 01:03:59.199
what's making the nests, but it absolutely seems like it,

1024
01:03:59.599 --> 01:04:05.119
you know, it really does. And the primate specialists they

1025
01:04:05.119 --> 01:04:09.280
were like, you know, these look like what you know,

1026
01:04:09.840 --> 01:04:13.719
like the nests had different personalities. They talked about how

1027
01:04:14.199 --> 01:04:19.000
like chimpanzees will make different nests, like the females often

1028
01:04:19.079 --> 01:04:22.119
take a lot more care and making their nests, and

1029
01:04:22.199 --> 01:04:25.400
the males usually just throw some throw some you know,

1030
01:04:25.440 --> 01:04:28.159
sticks or whatever down, you know, whatever plant material they

1031
01:04:28.159 --> 01:04:31.119
have and sleep on that. And they were talking about

1032
01:04:31.199 --> 01:04:35.199
how gorillas set up their nests in the wild and

1033
01:04:35.239 --> 01:04:38.920
how the nests there in the Olympic Project really mimicked

1034
01:04:39.000 --> 01:04:41.800
that with the sightlines to each other. And they were

1035
01:04:41.800 --> 01:04:46.719
talking about how there were some smaller nests that were

1036
01:04:46.800 --> 01:04:50.440
up in some bushes and they weren't very well made,

1037
01:04:50.719 --> 01:04:55.480
and they said that they looked a lot like practice

1038
01:04:55.599 --> 01:05:00.440
nests that gorilla mothers will use to tea each they're

1039
01:05:00.719 --> 01:05:03.199
young how to make a nest. And then we would

1040
01:05:03.239 --> 01:05:06.920
talk about things like you know, orangutans only have young

1041
01:05:06.960 --> 01:05:09.920
every seven and a half I think years, and so

1042
01:05:10.079 --> 01:05:13.599
maybe this area was a birthing area of how you know,

1043
01:05:13.679 --> 01:05:18.119
it's really really remote and you have to like belly

1044
01:05:18.159 --> 01:05:21.320
crawl to some of the areas there, and there's a

1045
01:05:21.360 --> 01:05:24.079
means of aggress down that embankment down to the salmon

1046
01:05:24.159 --> 01:05:28.639
stream and plenty of food and just that's what's so

1047
01:05:28.800 --> 01:05:34.960
cool about Project Zoo Book. When there they got interested

1048
01:05:35.039 --> 01:05:38.920
in Bigfoot partly from listening to stories about it and

1049
01:05:39.039 --> 01:05:44.880
noticing bits and pieces of and clues like and bits

1050
01:05:44.920 --> 01:05:48.239
and pieces of information that somebody like myself, you know,

1051
01:05:48.280 --> 01:05:51.440
I'm an English and reading teacher, I wouldn't know that

1052
01:05:51.440 --> 01:05:55.519
that's something that that a primate would do. Does that

1053
01:05:55.559 --> 01:06:00.159
makes sense? Like they absolutely they would pick up on

1054
01:06:00.280 --> 01:06:03.079
things that we wouldn't pick up on. So it's just

1055
01:06:03.159 --> 01:06:05.840
so much fun, it really is. I've learned so much,

1056
01:06:06.360 --> 01:06:06.840
learned so.

1057
01:06:06.840 --> 01:06:12.920
Much that that one that the bit of conversation that

1058
01:06:12.960 --> 01:06:16.480
you provided about how they look at those nests is

1059
01:06:17.960 --> 01:06:20.440
I mean that that is incredible. Thank you for sharing that,

1060
01:06:20.480 --> 01:06:25.079
because I know it's probably something where you know, you

1061
01:06:25.079 --> 01:06:28.960
wouldn't know that information unless you were there with those

1062
01:06:29.079 --> 01:06:30.239
people to observe it.

1063
01:06:30.280 --> 01:06:32.519
So that that is very special.

1064
01:06:33.079 --> 01:06:36.519
Asking about a certain area just because I like the

1065
01:06:36.599 --> 01:06:40.519
certain area. Have you ever had the privilege of going

1066
01:06:40.559 --> 01:06:41.800
to Oklahoma, idol?

1067
01:06:43.280 --> 01:06:45.840
I have not. I would love to, just haven't made

1068
01:06:45.880 --> 01:06:46.400
it there yet.

1069
01:06:47.400 --> 01:06:51.760
It is on my list for twenty twenty five. Hopefully,

1070
01:06:53.280 --> 01:06:56.280
I hope you get to go. I'll be going back

1071
01:06:56.280 --> 01:07:00.800
to Oregon for sure, but I've always want to check

1072
01:07:00.840 --> 01:07:03.159
out Oklahoma, especially the southeast.

1073
01:07:03.320 --> 01:07:07.159
But yeah, I hope you get to go. Yeah, I've

1074
01:07:07.159 --> 01:07:09.960
been out to Texas but not to Oklahoma yet.

1075
01:07:10.199 --> 01:07:12.280
Is that like the set in the southeast Texas?

1076
01:07:12.400 --> 01:07:17.280
Or Yeah? I think that's the southeast. It's like the

1077
01:07:17.280 --> 01:07:21.639
Four Corners. Now I'm getting my geography wrong. Yeah, where

1078
01:07:21.800 --> 01:07:25.559
is everything? Yeah? I went down there like for a

1079
01:07:25.599 --> 01:07:29.159
Bigfoot conference a few years ago, and then I traveled

1080
01:07:29.159 --> 01:07:34.119
around a bit down went down to Arkansas and Boggy

1081
01:07:34.159 --> 01:07:36.519
Creek and all kinds of stuff. So it was a

1082
01:07:36.559 --> 01:07:37.639
fun trip I made.

1083
01:07:39.400 --> 01:07:42.360
Do you get a ton of reports I would imagine.

1084
01:07:42.400 --> 01:07:44.320
I mean it sounds like you get a ton just

1085
01:07:44.400 --> 01:07:50.159
from wildlife nature shows, hunting shows. Do you get a

1086
01:07:50.159 --> 01:07:54.239
lot of reports about how the individual what they saw?

1087
01:07:54.320 --> 01:07:55.920
They described it as an orangutan?

1088
01:07:59.039 --> 01:08:02.639
I have had a few. I've had a few like that,

1089
01:08:02.800 --> 01:08:07.519
especially from that color, you know, that kind of reddish

1090
01:08:07.880 --> 01:08:13.079
brownish orange color. I had One of my favorite reports

1091
01:08:13.119 --> 01:08:18.000
I ever had was actually from Alabama, and they described

1092
01:08:18.039 --> 01:08:22.279
it more like a gorilla than an orangutan. But it

1093
01:08:22.319 --> 01:08:25.840
was down like on its knuckles. So and I don't

1094
01:08:25.840 --> 01:08:29.359
hear that very often, but they saw something by a

1095
01:08:29.399 --> 01:08:32.479
bridge and it was crouched down like that. But you know,

1096
01:08:32.560 --> 01:08:36.119
once in a while, like in orangutan, not too often.

1097
01:08:36.520 --> 01:08:40.840
We get a lot in northeast Ohio and northwest Pennsylvania,

1098
01:08:40.880 --> 01:08:43.960
we get a lot of reports of cream color or

1099
01:08:44.000 --> 01:08:45.720
white sasquatch.

1100
01:08:46.880 --> 01:08:50.720
Oh that's interesting I've gotten. I mean there's of course

1101
01:08:50.800 --> 01:08:57.479
the northeast Alabama and then northeast Pennsylvania as well as

1102
01:08:57.640 --> 01:08:58.960
really really interesting.

1103
01:08:59.119 --> 01:09:03.119
One of my favorites was from a wildlife exterminator who

1104
01:09:03.159 --> 01:09:07.159
had no interest in never thought about Bigfoot, but he

1105
01:09:07.319 --> 01:09:11.680
was calling coyotes in an area and he saw what

1106
01:09:11.840 --> 01:09:16.039
he described as a four foot tall, white, creamish colored

1107
01:09:16.520 --> 01:09:20.279
primate that he thought escaped from somewhere and didn't think

1108
01:09:20.359 --> 01:09:24.399
about it as Bigfoot until later on when he started

1109
01:09:24.399 --> 01:09:27.199
getting interested in and he's like, oh my gosh, maybe

1110
01:09:27.239 --> 01:09:28.960
that's what it was, because he couldn't figure out what

1111
01:09:29.000 --> 01:09:32.199
it was, you know, and he never his brain didn't

1112
01:09:32.239 --> 01:09:35.159
go to Bigfoot because it was four foot tall, you know.

1113
01:09:35.239 --> 01:09:37.840
But in that same area, the same summer he had

1114
01:09:37.880 --> 01:09:41.680
that sighting, there was another gentleman who showed me pictures

1115
01:09:41.680 --> 01:09:44.000
of some footprints that were like a quarter mile away

1116
01:09:44.000 --> 01:09:48.600
from that sighting that were very unusual footprints that matched

1117
01:09:48.600 --> 01:09:52.159
a lot of prints that we think are from Sasquatch.

1118
01:09:52.800 --> 01:09:54.600
So something's out there.

1119
01:09:55.560 --> 01:09:56.119
Oh yeah.

1120
01:09:56.279 --> 01:10:00.760
The stuff I hear from Ohio alone is so weird,

1121
01:10:01.960 --> 01:10:06.600
weird stuff. What do you What do you do specifically

1122
01:10:06.640 --> 01:10:07.720
with the Olympic Project?

1123
01:10:08.159 --> 01:10:13.479
Amy, Well, when I'm out there, I go out, We

1124
01:10:13.520 --> 01:10:17.079
go out to the newer nest site and the old one,

1125
01:10:17.199 --> 01:10:20.279
and we do a lot of research out in that area.

1126
01:10:20.359 --> 01:10:23.039
The last time I was there, I helped shame course

1127
01:10:23.119 --> 01:10:26.359
and to like change batteries and the different in the

1128
01:10:26.359 --> 01:10:31.399
different recorders and things like that. So I do just

1129
01:10:31.439 --> 01:10:33.159
go out there and help with that kind of thing.

1130
01:10:33.560 --> 01:10:35.720
But I'm more of a you know, I live in Ohio,

1131
01:10:35.880 --> 01:10:39.920
so I'm a Midwest representative of it. I do a

1132
01:10:39.960 --> 01:10:45.399
lot of speaking at different places trying to get new

1133
01:10:45.439 --> 01:10:50.920
scientists involved in the mystery of Bigfoot, and so I

1134
01:10:50.960 --> 01:10:54.079
tell people a lot about the Olympic project and share

1135
01:10:54.119 --> 01:10:58.720
that with different scientists. I'm working with a certain university,

1136
01:10:59.359 --> 01:11:03.359
their biology department, and so I'm kind of spreading the

1137
01:11:03.359 --> 01:11:06.359
word as a Midwest representative of it. But when I'm

1138
01:11:06.399 --> 01:11:08.800
out there, I go out and help as much as

1139
01:11:08.800 --> 01:11:09.199
I can.

1140
01:11:10.800 --> 01:11:14.079
That that is really really cool. I first off, I

1141
01:11:14.079 --> 01:11:16.880
want to say thank you for spending some time with

1142
01:11:16.960 --> 01:11:19.960
me today to talk about your research and projects Zoo

1143
01:11:19.960 --> 01:11:23.720
book and it has been fascinating. But before before the

1144
01:11:23.800 --> 01:11:26.680
end of our time, I just want to say, so

1145
01:11:26.800 --> 01:11:29.199
I know there's a few listeners at least that they

1146
01:11:29.239 --> 01:11:35.560
are scientists or some related field I talk to. I mean,

1147
01:11:35.720 --> 01:11:38.079
I talked to an individual from India the other day

1148
01:11:38.079 --> 01:11:41.880
in the wildlife conservation community, and so I know these

1149
01:11:41.960 --> 01:11:45.239
these individuals are listening to my show because they reach out.

1150
01:11:45.720 --> 01:11:50.000
But if you could share with these listeners, how can

1151
01:11:50.039 --> 01:11:53.960
they reach out to you if they're interested in, you know,

1152
01:11:54.119 --> 01:11:56.680
finding out more about projects zoo book and maybe it's

1153
01:11:56.680 --> 01:12:00.039
something that they can help out with as a scientist.

1154
01:12:00.760 --> 01:12:02.920
That would be wonderful. That's really why I do what

1155
01:12:02.960 --> 01:12:06.600
I do. So I really really appreciate that. My email

1156
01:12:06.800 --> 01:12:10.920
is Bigfoot Amy Amy at gmail dot com, so it's

1157
01:12:10.960 --> 01:12:16.439
easy to remember. We are finishing up working on a website,

1158
01:12:16.760 --> 01:12:20.880
and when it gets finished, we're gonna make it interactive

1159
01:12:21.000 --> 01:12:24.720
where people can go on there and ask like certain

1160
01:12:25.239 --> 01:12:29.159
types of scientists certain questions. So we'll have our primatologists

1161
01:12:29.199 --> 01:12:32.960
and our zoo keepers and our anthropologists wild I follow

1162
01:12:33.079 --> 01:12:35.439
us all on there. Some of them you'll get to

1163
01:12:35.479 --> 01:12:39.520
know them personally. Others just because of their jobs. Again,

1164
01:12:39.640 --> 01:12:42.840
they might have like a little cutout of a silhouette

1165
01:12:42.920 --> 01:12:45.399
or something like that, but they'll be on there to

1166
01:12:45.439 --> 01:12:49.840
answer questions. We'd love to hear people's stories, so there'll

1167
01:12:50.119 --> 01:12:52.199
also be a way to get a hold of us.

1168
01:12:52.399 --> 01:12:54.319
I think I think you even can now get a

1169
01:12:54.359 --> 01:12:56.640
hold of us through that website, but it just comes

1170
01:12:56.640 --> 01:12:59.359
to my email bigfoot Amy at gmail dot com. I

1171
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would love to talk to people if you have a

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really good sighting where especially if it does seem like

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you were saying like more great apish in in the sighting, especially,

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we would love to hear that. But no, we would

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we would love to talk to more scientists and people

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who love them.

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That's fantastic.

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And do you have any upcoming events that people can

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meet you at or talk to you at in person?

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Sure? In Oh my gosh, I'm forgetting dates. But in

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September October, I'm going to be in one of the weekends.

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I'm going to be in Indiana for their first like

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Indiana Bigfoot Conference. I'll be in Michigan at their Bigfoot

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and Bruise b R E W S b R U

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I S E event. And I'm going to be in

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Kentucky at a conference as well. So I have that

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if people are on Facebook, they can friend me, and

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I have information about that on Facebook. I am just

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finishing up a whole summer full of libraries where I

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do things for both adult and kids, because the kids

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programs here in Ohio and PA have had like a

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cryptid theme. So I've been all over the place talking

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to kids about getting out in nature. And you know,

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I always say, Bigfoot is so much fun for kids.

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So where they might not go out to look for

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a snake, they'll go upside to look for Bigfoot. So

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that's another good thing. I'm going to be here in Pennsylvania,

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not this weekend, but next weekend. I'm going to be

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helping with an event that is raising money for Hunt

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of a Lifetime. It's kind of like make a Wish

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for critically ill kids, but they want to go out hunting,

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Like these kids are hunters or fisher fisher kids, and

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so we raise money for that. And some of the

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kids want to go not hunt to shoot, but want

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to go look for bigfoot. So I'm going to be

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involved in that. I'm sure I'm missing some things, but

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those are the big ones that I'm doing. All my

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outdoor shows start back up in the spring.

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Wow.

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That that is awesome. You're involved with way more than

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I knew about. That's that's really cool. But Amy, thank

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you so much for coming on. It has been a

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pleasure and I'm glad that we find that. I'm glad

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we finally got h to chat on the podcast. Thank

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you me too.

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Thanks so much, Jeremiah, this was fun. Thank you.

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had a Bigfoot encounter related to the following, or know

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someone who has, please reach out to me at Bigfoot

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Society at gmail dot com or pass on my email.

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Here's the list.

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If you've had any encounters in Oregon, which I'm sure

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there's probably a few of you out there, please feel

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free to reach out immediately. You can use email Bigfoot

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You to all the Bigfoot Society Patreon and YouTube channel members.

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forward slash the Bigfoot Society. I'll see you there, and again,

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thanks for listening.

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Her and I can get on here.

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We can tell our stories. Maybe there's somebody else out

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there listening.

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That's too afraid to tell their story. Maybe this will.

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Give them the courage to come out. And I feel

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01:17:52.520 --> 01:17:55.640
so bad about it. Who cares what anybody thinks. I

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know what I saw, I know what's out there. That's

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all I care about it.

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Please let people know, Please let them.

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Know if you ever see one of these things, you

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need to tell because if you don't, then shame on you.

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You have shame on you.