Top 10 Bigfoot Episode of 2023!

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time so far, so let's get
on with the show. Welcome to a

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special year end twenty twenty three wrap
up episode where I went through all the

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episodes that we released this year and
looked at what were the top listen to

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episodes according to the numbers the audio
podcast. I've then gone ahead and went

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through all of those episodes and picked
out my favorite bits from those particular episodes.

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You may find some in this episode
that you've never heard before, so

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you can go into the show notes, check out the links, and then

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listen to that episode you may have
missed. If you don't agree with these

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top ten and you think your episode
that you liked was a little bit better,

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go ahead put that in the comments. We can get a conversation going.

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But going by the download numbers from
the audio podcast version, here's what

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we got coming in. At number
ten, Beans Baxter shares about the infamous

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village of Port Lock, Alaska,
in the intense Bigfoot attachs associated with its

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history. So port Lock was a
little fishing village. It's in Port Chatham.

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As you leave the harbor here and
head out into Catchmac Bay and turned

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the corner into the real ocean and
then head down about forty miles or so

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when you get to the very tip
of the peninsula, there's a little bay

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in there called Port Chatham, and
inside Port Chatham is Portlock. A lot

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of people think that there was two
towns. There was a town called Port

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Chatham and a town called port Lock. Port Chatham's the bay and port Lock's

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the town. And I actually had
that clarified by someone who lived in Port

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Lock, who grew up there,
so there's no confusion to that. I

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still hear people say that every once
in a while, and I'm like,

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that's not accurate. And so it
was just a little fishing village. It

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had a saw mill, it had
the cannery, And what a lot of

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people don't really realize is back then
they didn't have a lot of the regulations

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that they do now with fishing and
stuff like that, and it wasn't really

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a free for all. But again, it was a little bit like the

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Wild West. The saw mill built
these like fish traps, and that's what

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they used for catching the salmon in
They put them like at the head of

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the bays and the creeks and stuff, and they would just swim into them.

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And they had the logging operation that
fed the saw mill that made the

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traps, and then they were catching
all the fish. So right there,

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you've got they were taking the trees
and they were taking a fish. So

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that right there might be perceived as
a potential threat, a resource threat to

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any sasquatch that we're living in the
area. So you start hearing these stories.

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I think, I don't have my
notes in front of me, but

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I believe right around nineteen oh eight
or something like that was around the first

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time there was an entry in one
of the cannery logs about the guy.

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The people didn't want to work because
there was something in the forest that was

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like coming into town and bothering the
people. And they actually hired some like

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Pinkerton like guard to like watch the
town while so the people would come in

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and work. I spoke with a
gentleman whose grandmother actually worked in the cannery

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when she was a little girl.
I think she said or he told her,

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and he told me that she was
like eight years old or something like

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that, said she was making thirty
cents a day or something like that for

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working in the cannery. So they
didn't have unions or child labors. Yeah,

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imagine that, you know, wake
up you're eight years old and you

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get woken up and you're like,
all right, you're not going to go

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play today, You're going to go
work in the cannery man, and you're

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getting thirty cents a day. So
the town it was growing, it was

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bustling. They were having some good
years with the fish, and then nineteen

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thirty eight you had a prospector go
missing. Somebody came in went up into

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the hills to look for gold.
He turned up missing. He had the

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death of Andrew Camlock, who was
out running a logging operation. They found

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him dead. They said that he
was crushed with a piece of logging equipment

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that was too big for a man
to lift or a person to lift.

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And they blame this thing they called
the nanty knock, which is their version

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of a bigfoot. And I mentioned
this in the book, and it's pretty

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cool because you know, you hear
nantonock means bigfoot, and technically they say

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nantonock means giant hairy thing or big
hairy man. And then you also hear

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it doesn't really translate well, and
there's no official translation for it. And

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that's my favorite definition, is that
one is it just doesn't translate well,

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that we don't understand what it is. They give it a bunch of different

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abilities, the kushtaka and some of
the other native lower creatures. They say

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it can shape shift, They say
it has red eyes. They say it

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comes when it's foggy, it can
come on the mist. They give it

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some supernatural attributes. And it was
a time when people were uncertain and they

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were scared. They weren't sure what
was going on, and eventually, by

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nineteen fifty the town was abandoned and
nobody lived there. Anymore. The postmaster,

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they said, was the last person
to leave. Over time, the

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legend kind of grew and got exacerbated. I know on the internet. I

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can't believe something got blown out of
proportion, it got turned into a bigfoot

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massacre, which it wasn't. Basically, there was a series of strange and

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unfortunate events that they attributed to the
nant Knock that may have been responsible.

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But there were also some economic reasons
and stuff that led up to the abandonment

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of the town. But you still
have missing people, you still have unexplained

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deaths, you still have bigfoot signings
there. There was a gentleman who said

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that he saw a bigfoot walking along
the beach. He said it was carrying

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a club. Gentleman, he's passed
away now, he'd passed away before I

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read his account. But I would
love to sit down with that gentleman,

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ask him like, why did you
say club? And yeah, stick or

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log Like why did you say he
was carrying a club? But yeah,

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there's just a lot of bigfoot lore
Nantinknock lore in that area, and honestly,

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it may have had something to do
with the town being abandoned and people

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wanting to leave but personally, I
don't think it was the main reason.

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I think it might have been a
contributing reason. A lot of times today

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Jeremiah is with like things. There's
no there's not there's a lot of divisiveness.

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There's not a lot of maybe,
Okay, this person believes this,

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and this person believes that. Maybe
that he has a good point and she

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has a good point. Maybe there's
some truth that it's got to be this

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way or it's got to be that
way or nothing. Yeah, And I've

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heard a lot of people say,
oh, there was no Bigfoot masker,

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then that whole story's bunk. And
there's some good stuff in there. There's

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some good, scary, creepy stuf
in the history of Port Chatham, but

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it's not. It wasn't the Bigfoot
massacre that some people make it out to

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be. You do have the resources
being to plete. You know, they

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were taking the trees, they were
catching the fish. If there was like

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a perfect storm to create an angry
Bigfoot, but to create a binging batman

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Bigfoot, it would have been that
time and probably that place because there,

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I think it's a very good environment
for them. Honestly, it's not a

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hop skip and a jump away from
Area A. But it's not beyond the

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realm of possibility to believe that you
could walk to Area A from there.

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It would take you a long time, but it could happen. Oh,

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it's a lot of the same terrain. There are some like glaciers and stuff

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you'd probably have to cross over.
I'm not going to say human couldn't do

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it, but it would be very
difficult. But it's not beyond the realm

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of possibility. They're connected by land. It's just a lot of land in

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between them. There's a documentary that
you had. I believe it was you

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with Stephen Major that had put together
about the expedition to go out there as

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well as people can read your book, but they could also watch it on

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certain platforms as well. Did you
notice anything once you actually got there in

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person and you set foot in the
area, was there anything that stepped out

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to you that you hadn't really made
the connection before you'd been able to go

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there in person. It was an
amazing experience. It was one of those

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things that I wish I could go
back and experience it again for the first

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time. Yeah, because just stepping
off the boat and getting there and then

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just realizing how wild it is and
how thick the forest were walking through there,

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we're bushwhacking. I couldn't imagine going
there today and building a town like

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it. Just to me, it
would just seem And these people they didn't

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have chainsaws, they didn't have you
know, they didn't have heavy equipment,

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they didn't have four wheelers, they
didn't have anything that we would take over

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there with us to help make any
kind of endeavor like that easy. And

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you got to think these people are
showing up probably with like axes and rope

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and just whatever they and they're building
houses, and they're clearing trees, and

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they're they're just making this they're civilizing
this place, put in the village here,

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and I can't imagine doing that today
with today's technology. Just how what

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an undertaking that would be, just
how thick it is and how unforgiving the

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terrain is. And that was one
of the things that really struck me.

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It was just like, man,
I can't believe this place was ever a

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town just as wild as it is. Always a pleasure to talk to Beans

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about what he's experiencing up there in
the great State of Alaska. But let's

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head on over to number nine next. A lot of people feel different ways

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about this episode. Number nine.
Country is an individual from Oklahoma who approached

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me with some incredible tales of bigfoot
interaction over the years. Here's a snippet

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of that episode where Country shares an
interaction that happened during a deer hunt that

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was jaw dropping, to say the
least. Now I had seen them just

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you know, one hundred and two
hundred yards, just stuff moving through the

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woods. You know, nothing aggressive
and nothing that I would be overly concerned

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about. We were still taking game, and when we was growing up,

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you brought game home every time you
come in, or you may not got

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to eat that night some weeks,
just depends. It was tight. So

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we was deer hunting. I was
sitting on the same fenceline. Matter of

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fact, it was the very same
tree stand. A deer had come down

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through there, and then another deer, just normal, and then finally the

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deer I wanted to shoot nice ten
point probably one hundred and thirty inch back

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then and then in the early nineties, it was that was a big deer.

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Now I think so much, but
I was glad to shoot it,

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and I shot it. I seen
it fall seventy five yards down through there.

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I've seen it chip over, but
at about five minutes later I also

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heard something walk walk where the thing
had screamed at. And what there is,

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let me give you a little better
picture. It's a great big bend

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in the creek, makes a great
big white horseshoe in the creek there,

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and where it starts to swing back, there's probably three and a half acres

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river cane in there, and there's
a big tunnels. I always thought the

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pigs had done it, because the
pigs used it quite a bit too.

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After I got a little older,
I learned not to go around the river

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cane so much. They liked hang
out in there in the daytime. So

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that thing come out of the river
cane. I didn't see it, but

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I could see my dad coming because
he heard me shoot. He was four

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five hundred yards away back on to
the other end of the horseshoe there,

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sitting on another bottle neck. He
was walking down through there. He was

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pushing deer my way, hogs my
way. I didn't shoot anything else,

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and he looked up at me and
said, get it. I said,

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yeah, I think something picked up
though he looked at let's come on,

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we'll just go to the house.
No, it's a big deer. We're

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gonna we're gonna go see if we
can't see it anyways, and maybe scare

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it, maybe they'll drop it.
That's and that's not the best idea.

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I was pretty stubborn. I had
a rifle in my hand. I thought

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I was tough. We pursued on
several hundred yards turned into about three and

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a half miles. Once we got
into the area, we crossed the big

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slew that the the water treatment plant
had made because the pipe leak real bad.

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It's they've since destroyed that old Watchman
plant and everything, but so it's

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dried up back in there now a
little bit. But once we crossed that,

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in that main creek that fed it
in into it, I knowed where

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it was going because that's where the
coal mines and stuff was at. And

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we could see it two or three
times sevney five yards, one hundred and

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ten yards, just depending on the
brush down through there. It was open

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along the creek once you got thirty
forty yards off the creek where the floodplain

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didn't clear it out every over time
it got up it was much much sticker,

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and it was traveling the edge of
that, so the tracks is pretty

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easy. Most of the time in
that bottom land, I was leaving tracks

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about three and a half to four
inches deep, where me and Dad was

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only leaving about an eighth of an
inch, just barely making marks considerably big.

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That said, men, we shouldn't
be going after that's a big track.

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We gotta do something. I said, bull crap, I said,

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burne and can't even kill a deer
because I said, they've followed him around

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like crazy. And I said,
you know, well, what is what

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it is. It's just how you
live with them. You just don't do

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nothing. They don't do nothing.
Yeah, we're doing something because he done

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something. We ended up track ended
up there and we could hear multiple animals

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on this slat just below the where
this mine was at. I said,

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I don't know, Dad, that's
crazy. He said, man, just

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he said, don't your gun if
you're going to walk up there, he

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says, and make sure you let
them know you're coming. So we haven't

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even crossed the creek yet and a
whistle goes out, so we've already been

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made. I just said, hey, that's my deer. And I heard

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it sounded like a herd of elephants
standing up and running up up to the

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deal. But we could see a
few of them going through the cedars and

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the open stuff, but there were
several that didn't. So we one ahead

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and took a couple of steps,
and when I did, it stopped over

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the side, and when it roared, it literally moved the hair on my

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head and face. It was loud. I said, hey, that's my

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deer. And it looked at me
again and roared, and looked at Dad

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and seen the gun, and then
it really roared, this saying you almost

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It was almost so much it made
you nauseously because of the vibration on the

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inside of you, if that makes
sense to you. It almost turned our

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stomachs. It was that loud.
Of course, I'm shaking, I said,

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if as I am next moved,
just suit it in the head Dad,

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and in course the dad, I
don't know whether he heard me or

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not. I took two steps up
and to where I could see up on

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the flat and I pointed to the
deer and it looked at the deer,

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looked at me, snarled. I
looked back at the deer. It's my

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deer, and I reached to go
grab another limb and take a step up

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in that shot and missed it about
an inch and a half. He'd looked

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at my dad and tapped its head
like, damn, that was close.

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The thing had fear in its eyes. I said mine, I said mine,

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that's mine. I got to eat
too, And it looked at me

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like it understood what I was wanting. And all I got was a leg.

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It stepped over there with in about
two steps. It was probably twelve

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thirteen yards from him, but two
steps or so, themped over, tore

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the back leg off and slung it
right into my chest and set me right

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back into the creek. That said, take your leg, get your gun,

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let's go. And we were escorted
out from the ridge line. They

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were making a point to show that
to be seen upon that ridge line,

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and they followed us up to the
high line that goes down off in there

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that we took in and out,
and at that point they stopped, and

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when we went up the hill they
turned around and went back down. And

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after that we it wasn't so much
being harassed as it was every time we

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come to the woods. They were
always there. It was you just couldn't

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get away from. I don't care
where you went. They knew you was

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there. It was crazy. It
was, that's it, as long as

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they're not hurting. Yeah, not
the tack. He said, just keep

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doing your deal. They're just checking
you out. And so that's what we

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did. And Dad said, I
had one. That's no. It was

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the next year, that following February, after they took the deer. I

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was fishing the slew pond back there, catching channel cat on stink bait,

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and it was cold, and I
don't know, I had probably twenty five

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thirty catfish. Nobody going to regulated
a young man or how many fish he

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had. And I was just about
getting ready to go, and I had

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another little ole bite there and I
picked up the rod. When I picked

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up the rod, my hand reached
out of the brush because the brush was

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just cleared by beavers. It wasn't
much a couple of foot wide tops before

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you stepped into eight to twenty foot
tall saplings that were so fit that cottontails

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couldn't get in it. I never
heard nothing, I never saw nothing,

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I never smelt nothing until the hand
touched me on the shoulder and rolled me

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back, and he just picked my
stringer up with two fingers. Mind you,

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smiled real big and walked off.
Crap, that sucks. That's a

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lot of work. I had a
heck of a stringer catfish, so I

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just I don't know nothing else to
do, and start catching fish. That

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told me to bring fish home.
I still had plenty of time. I

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started catching more fish. I don't
know, ten or eleven more catfish,

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and I went to the house carrying
them on sticks. I strung them up.

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That's what I had to use.
As I come around to bend in

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this access road that come off from
the old wad trioping plant, there's my

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stringer hanging up in the tree.
I strung up my fish and went on

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back my rack killing to the house. I told Dad. Dad said,

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don't tell mom. He said he
might probably call shouldn't go catfishing for a

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while down there. He said they
might be tough for him right now,

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said might just soon take you instead
of the catfish. I said. He

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smiled when he took him, and
he was real polite. That said,

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what do you mean he was plied? He said he only used two fingers

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and held his pinky yet like he
was drinking a cup from an englishman.

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He said, you're a kidding.
I said, nope, I said,

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he turned around and walk off.
I said, And it wasn't the big

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guy. He says, oh,
I said, so, what was it?

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A female? Said no, it
was a male that I know for

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sure, because it was standing right
over the top of me pretty much.

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He said, oh, he smiled. That just he smiled, He said,

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I said, there's a stringer.
He gave me a stringer back by

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the time I caught my fish and
made it around, I told him the

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story and he just, yeah,
from this point on, just start leaving

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half of everything you take from the
woods. So he shoot thirty squirrels,

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fifteen of it goes to them.
And so that's what we started doing,

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or I started doing. And at
this point in time, Dad was He

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always told me he was jumping the
creek, but I think he was taking

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the hog pellets down there and feeding
the thing squatches. I really do it

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sounds like you got a really good
look at the face of the sasquatch multiple

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times. Can you describe it?
Yeah? A lot of you guys get

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it. A lot of you guys
get it so wrong. I've never seen

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anything that looked even remotely close to
a gorilla's. It's a fricking neanderthal,

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is what it is. That's what
it is. It's a neanderthal. I

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don't care if the bones tell you
different. It's a big, giant neanderthal.

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It looks just like a neanderthal.
It's a man. There's no it's

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got a big bald to nose.
Some of them are flat. It's ananderthal.

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That's what it is, just big. That is one of my favorite

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episodes. The country was just such
a fun individual to talk to. And

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if you think that's a wild story, the episode gets even why, let

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me know in the comments if I
should catch back up with any of these

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individuals from these different snippets. Let's
head on over to the next one.

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In clip number eight, we talked
to a retired police officer about his standoff

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with a bigfoot at his family cabin
during a vacation in northern Michigan. It's

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one of our most listened to episodes. That maybe because of the audio quality

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check out the comments on YouTube,
but still I love this story. It's

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an incredible look into what happens during
a stressful situation such as a standoff,

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and when you put bigfoot into the
mix, things get even crazier. Enjoy

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what time of day would you say
that was where you went out to the

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house got rattled. It was about
it was about three o'clock, okay,

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between three and three fifteen, because
the where we were, the clearing around

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the house is about a half acre
was cleared, but it was patchy.

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So when that November sun is just
about at the top of the trees,

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it's right about three o'clock on its
way down, because by four o'clock it

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would be that grayish dusk, and
then by five o'clock done, you're dark

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because the sun flowed the trees and
you're all in shadow. You might looking

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straight up, you'd still have you'd
still have more a little bit more light

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that you could see straight above you, but as far as eliminating the area,

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and about five o'clock you're done.
And it's one of those places where

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other than artificial light from cabins or
a flashlight, there is no there's no

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street lights. It's dark, and
unless you've experienced it, especially in those

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November days where tends to be more
overcast in northern Michigan, you can't see

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you're hand in front of your face. That's how dark it is. It's

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that that deep, almost paved like
dark. I almost felt the vibration in

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my chest like there was an actual
sound hitting a wall. Have you ever

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been in a very tight quarters,
said, like a very small hallway or

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a basement and been close to a
wall and you've spoken loudly and you feel

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that sound come back at you.
Sure, And actually yet it felt like

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that, except it was a very
open area and it felt almost like the

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sound when it hit me was say, an open handed hand just pushing really

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lightly on my chest, but it
was very it was quick, but it

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was spread out so it was like
a big way. But just someone were

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to give you like an opening handed
to push on your chest, and that's

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what it That's what it felt like. There was a distinct wave to it.

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And see that agitating for sure.
Yeah, But it was one of

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those things where I've had experiences before
in my life, not in the woods,

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not anything outdoor related, but in
professional context where you're hypersensitive and hyper

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aware of everything that's going on around
you because you're in fight or flight.

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You're in what would turn out to
be either a dangerous situation with a predatory

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human, or you're clearing a building. You're just so focused on what is

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going on, and that's how I
was sensing that almost that that sound.

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So it was outside of what I
would consider to be an experience. It's

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for there, but I've experienced similar
feelings other places because that the cabinet is

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always totally relaxed. Just it was
at one place where I could always go

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and decompress. I could get out
to the lake and fish, take a

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walk in the woods, go after
squirrel, whatever I wanted to do.

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And I never ever felt like I
needed to be vigilant for two legged predators.

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There was anything that I wouldn't be
able to handle with allowed to get

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out of here, or throwing a
rocke at something. It was just it

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was a really peaceful place. Work
for a city department in Arizona, and

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so we had good vacation time.
I had three weeks every year for five

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years because it worked so much.
Over time, we would get vacation time

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based on how many hours how much
we've worked. And back in those days,

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I didn't make a lot of money. I made a decent living for

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the area, but I worked a
lot overtime because I had just bought my

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own I bought a condo, so
my own home, and I didn't want

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to be in a lot of debt, so I worked a lot of overtime,

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and so that three weeks was my
okay driving to Michigan. I'm going

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to see my maternal grandparents, my
dad's going to be my open make will

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be up, the decompressed from everything
time. But I liked that week by

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myself where I didn't have to talk
to anybody if I didn't choose to,

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unless I drove into town, which
I rarely did. I didn't have to.

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Occasionally you might run into someone that
was coming up to hunt, but

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that was pretty rare. Yeah,
but yeah, it did. It ruined

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my vacation. So it's around three
three, three thirty in the afternoon,

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you're headed back, Yeah, yeah, definitely in the three o'clock hour.

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Yeah, yeah, I went back. I went back into the cabin.

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As I remember, I started some
dinner. I was just but still at

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the same time, while I'm trying
to make dinner, I'm like almost grumbling

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and cussing to myself. You know, those internal conversations where someone's messing with

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me in a derber derby dirt that
you'll sendbody sam cussing under your breath.

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I just it was just irritable.
I don't know any other way to describe

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it. It was just that it's
like when your kids are running wild and

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you but they're not doing anything wrong, and you want to cuss them out,

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but you don't because you're a good
dad. But you go out in

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the garage and you cuss to yourself. That's what it felt like. Anyway,

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I went back in the cabin,
started doing some dinner, and I

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had to go back outside and I
had to do some stand up business.

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You go to the outhouse, you
gotta do it, do shit, don't

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if you gotta. So I go
back outside and about halfway between the the

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I don't know, forty to fifty
feet between the back porch and the outhouse,

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which faces out onto the swampy area
that it's not really swamp. It's

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wet all the time. We really
have swamps in Michigan. But you just

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don't go back there unless you want
your boots getting sucked off your feet with

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that really black, silty mud.
But anyway, I I'm going out and

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from around the unexposed side of the
outhouse and a tree. It stepped out,

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and I don't know why it stepped
out. I don't know why it

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chose to come out and look at
But now I'm looking at it like white.

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I'm six four and this thing had
to be I had to have a

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foot on me, maybe a little
bit more. And I think my best

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estimation when I looked at the tree
that it was near it was had to

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be eight feet and I was ten
yards away from it, max I was

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about thirty feet and I even now
it's going back into that moment. I'm

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looking at this thing and tongue tied
now just talking about it. And indeed,

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and it did it again and then
just and this time I felt it

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almost just go through me. That
oomp was so powerful and just like a

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wave that just went right through my
body. And all I'm thinking it is

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just what am I going to do? But then I didn't do anything.

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I just stood there and I'm like, okay, don't don't run, And

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I think, honestly, that's really
what I wanted to do. I was

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just like, all right, I'm
going to run now, like that that

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calm voice you get in your head
where it has that totally stupid, really

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fast conversation with yourself. And I'm
like, I'm gonna run down. No,

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that's not gonna work, because they
can reach out and grab me and

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it's gonna It was just like I
felt like a cartoon moment with myself.

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So I just looked at it and
I and I looked, and it's looking

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back at me and not there were
no whites to its eyes. That was

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the really weird thing. And it's
it's just it, you know, Congo

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had no neck. Looked like if
Arnold Schwarzenegger had a bigger brother who put

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00:30:30.839 --> 00:30:34.839
on another one hundred pounds. It
was just it was massive. The massiveness

407
00:30:34.960 --> 00:30:41.559
creature I could barely describe. And
those the long arms, the legs were

408
00:30:41.599 --> 00:30:45.880
like tree stump. The hair on
it was even like that fading light eating

409
00:30:47.240 --> 00:30:52.079
like almost the tips of it were
glistening now like sparkly like you hear people

410
00:30:52.160 --> 00:31:00.200
talking about, but just a very
natural hairchine that you see on like a

411
00:31:02.359 --> 00:31:07.079
like new growth code on your horses, just for the fall, like very

412
00:31:07.119 --> 00:31:14.039
well groomed, very well kimped like
it worked to keep itself clean. I

413
00:31:14.079 --> 00:31:18.079
don't know, that's just that seemed
that that impression that I got in the

414
00:31:18.079 --> 00:31:25.240
moment, but it was huge of
it. But the face was very humid

415
00:31:25.519 --> 00:31:32.160
that the cheekbones were very pronounced.
They had a flatter nose, so it

416
00:31:32.319 --> 00:31:38.599
was wider not really not really pronounced
coming out from the face. Believe it

417
00:31:38.720 --> 00:31:42.000
or not. The episode we just
heard is the most listened to episode on

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00:31:42.039 --> 00:31:47.440
the Big Fist Society YouTube channel,
so definitely go check it out. Coming

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00:31:47.519 --> 00:31:51.359
up next, we have number seven. Chris is a retired law enforcement official

420
00:31:51.440 --> 00:31:56.279
that told of some very interesting things
he experienced in the George Washington National Forest

421
00:31:56.359 --> 00:32:00.160
in Virginia. Listen as he shares
what happened and let me know in the

422
00:32:00.160 --> 00:32:06.640
comments what you think it was November. There was musloader in Virginia and I

423
00:32:06.680 --> 00:32:12.079
think it was twenty and nineteen.
And there is a hunting cabin I go

424
00:32:12.160 --> 00:32:16.000
to every year. My several family
members and friends we meet and it's several

425
00:32:16.039 --> 00:32:22.480
acres surrounded by my understanding, a
couple hundred thousand acres of the George Washington

426
00:32:22.559 --> 00:32:28.000
National Force in the state of Virginia. It's just really big woods, especially

427
00:32:28.000 --> 00:32:31.680
to the east coast, big woods
and bordered by even more big woods.

428
00:32:32.359 --> 00:32:37.319
Is where I'm at is pretty darn
close to West Virginia, and West Virginia

429
00:32:37.599 --> 00:32:43.039
is pretty much the same way,
just National Force after National Force. And

430
00:32:43.400 --> 00:32:46.400
this property has been in my family
since nineteen seventy and we go up every

431
00:32:46.480 --> 00:32:52.200
year and deer hunt. I go
up for bo and I try mussliater and

432
00:32:52.319 --> 00:32:54.839
rifle, or at least one of
them was up there musliver. This year

433
00:32:55.920 --> 00:33:00.359
in twenty nineteen, we're getting up
to hunt. It's pre dawn. It's

434
00:33:00.559 --> 00:33:05.880
a real dark morning, probably an
hour before the sun's supposed to come up.

435
00:33:06.680 --> 00:33:09.839
I walk out of the cabin,
I go down to my side by

436
00:33:09.880 --> 00:33:14.119
side to get something out of it, and I'm getting ready to go to

437
00:33:14.160 --> 00:33:20.640
my ground blind and I'm looking down. I'm about forty yards from the cabin,

438
00:33:20.720 --> 00:33:22.359
and the front porch light is on
the cabin, and that's it.

439
00:33:22.519 --> 00:33:24.680
Other than that, you can't see
your hand in front of your face.

440
00:33:24.680 --> 00:33:29.599
It's just it's black all around you. And I'm trying to grab something in

441
00:33:29.720 --> 00:33:34.200
my side by side without using my
light, which was foolish. But while

442
00:33:34.279 --> 00:33:38.000
I'm doing that, my buddy is
up on the porch bent over putting on

443
00:33:38.039 --> 00:33:42.160
his shoes, so you really can't
see him, but he is under the

444
00:33:42.240 --> 00:33:44.839
light up on the porch, and
the rest of them are inside the cabin

445
00:33:44.880 --> 00:33:47.160
hadn't come out yet. On the
other side of me, I hear,

446
00:33:47.240 --> 00:33:57.400
from a reasonable distance away, very
heavy footfalls two feet guaranteed. And this

447
00:33:57.559 --> 00:34:04.279
terrain is very rocky, with a
lot of leaf litter. There's rocks all

448
00:34:04.279 --> 00:34:07.200
over the place with leaf litter everywhere. But when I was healthy, if

449
00:34:07.240 --> 00:34:09.760
you try and just walk through there
with no light or flashlight whatsoever, you're

450
00:34:09.840 --> 00:34:15.239
just going to go to the ground. And whatever was moving pretty fast,

451
00:34:15.320 --> 00:34:19.920
and it was going like it was
going to go past the cabin, but

452
00:34:20.000 --> 00:34:23.800
it was angling towards me, getting
a little closer because it was at a

453
00:34:23.880 --> 00:34:30.000
distance and getting closer and closer,
heavier and heavier, and just in that

454
00:34:30.239 --> 00:34:35.519
fresh leaf litter just crunch, slam, crunch, bang, just too and

455
00:34:35.559 --> 00:34:39.239
it was coming right at me.
And I'm frozen, and I'm getting chills

456
00:34:39.239 --> 00:34:44.559
telling it right now. I'm frozen, and I wasn't having fun, and

457
00:34:44.920 --> 00:34:50.079
not a lot scares me to the
point of trying to being dumb about it.

458
00:34:50.119 --> 00:34:54.679
But that scares me. And I
look up and I can't not see

459
00:34:54.679 --> 00:34:59.440
my buddy because he's tying his shoes
and I'm trying to whisper his name,

460
00:35:00.039 --> 00:35:06.519
and the steps are still coming boom
boom boom by a people heavy footstalk footfalls

461
00:35:07.199 --> 00:35:12.480
right through the hardwoods. And I
finally am like, oh, so I

462
00:35:12.840 --> 00:35:16.679
flout us whisper I could. He
leads up and goes what those steps stop

463
00:35:16.760 --> 00:35:22.800
dead in their tracks, and then
it's like as fast like but still bipedal

464
00:35:23.079 --> 00:35:28.280
heavy footfall running away from me.
I almost went right back in the cabin,

465
00:35:28.599 --> 00:35:32.440
took off all my stuff and said, nope, I'm not going out.

466
00:35:32.639 --> 00:35:35.840
And I asked my buddy if he
had heard that. He said,

467
00:35:35.880 --> 00:35:37.000
no, I was talking about I
didn't hear nothing, I said, wright,

468
00:35:37.719 --> 00:35:42.800
So I did go out of one
onto my ground line. And I'm

469
00:35:43.440 --> 00:35:47.559
later on that day and into the
evening, I'm talking to some other guys

470
00:35:47.599 --> 00:35:51.360
that were out there at the cabin
with and I told him what I heard.

471
00:35:51.440 --> 00:35:52.360
I said, I can tell you
what I heard, I just can't

472
00:35:52.360 --> 00:35:55.960
tell you what made it. They're
laughing and joking, oh it was a

473
00:35:57.000 --> 00:35:59.480
deer, it was a bear.
And I'm like, okay, you know.

474
00:36:00.119 --> 00:36:06.639
But then one of my family members
starts telling me we have our older

475
00:36:06.679 --> 00:36:14.719
relatives, the previous generation. They
built wooden't homemade ladder stands in certain locations

476
00:36:14.760 --> 00:36:22.239
throughout or our property along the National
Force, and they've been there for twenty

477
00:36:22.280 --> 00:36:29.599
five thirty years, and they're like
ratcheted into very large trees, three or

478
00:36:29.599 --> 00:36:35.159
four inch heavy, big screws type
stuff not coming off, and anybody just

479
00:36:35.239 --> 00:36:39.719
meandering through wouldn't have the equipment,
you know what I mean. Coincidentally,

480
00:36:39.800 --> 00:36:44.480
I'm in the middle of a National
force, but I have a batter ouperated

481
00:36:44.719 --> 00:36:49.079
stalls all or I've got the ratchets. I need to take this thing off.

482
00:36:49.440 --> 00:36:53.639
And who wants thirty plus year olds
warped three stand that we actually don't

483
00:36:53.679 --> 00:36:59.360
even use anymore. But family member
says, oh, yeah, I forgot

484
00:36:59.360 --> 00:37:01.679
to tell you. I was down
in the throw and so area down there.

485
00:37:02.000 --> 00:37:06.199
I said, yeah, he said
the stand was gone. So what

486
00:37:06.199 --> 00:37:07.679
do you mean the stand was gone? He said, the ladder stand's gone.

487
00:37:08.360 --> 00:37:12.679
I said, the ladder stand can't
be gone unless you went down there

488
00:37:12.719 --> 00:37:15.360
and removed it. And why would
you do that? He said no.

489
00:37:15.440 --> 00:37:17.719
I started looking around for it,
and I found it about forty yards away

490
00:37:17.760 --> 00:37:22.079
from the tree, ripped into pieces, just shredded, and I'm like,

491
00:37:22.679 --> 00:37:27.400
I saw how those things were installed, said what do you think did that?

492
00:37:28.400 --> 00:37:30.800
And of course you know where my
head went. At this point,

493
00:37:30.920 --> 00:37:35.440
my head's there and he's I don't
know, bear, I guess. I

494
00:37:35.440 --> 00:37:37.559
said, are you serious? You're
going to say it was a bear?

495
00:37:38.159 --> 00:37:45.559
I said, I don't believe.
And black bear has the strength to rip

496
00:37:45.639 --> 00:37:51.440
a stand completely off a tree.
Maybe it does, but I don't see

497
00:37:51.480 --> 00:37:55.159
how it's going to do it without
hands to go up onto the stand or

498
00:37:55.199 --> 00:37:59.800
get high enough and wrap your hands
around it. Because he said it was

499
00:38:00.079 --> 00:38:06.000
ripped off the tree his words,
and then drug and then ripped into pieces

500
00:38:06.039 --> 00:38:10.559
and pulled apart. I'm like,
what, So that was crazy when he

501
00:38:10.599 --> 00:38:13.679
told me that. Of course he
said, yeah, it was a bear,

502
00:38:13.719 --> 00:38:15.639
and I'm like, are you sure. I'm like, are you really

503
00:38:15.679 --> 00:38:21.159
sure it was a bear? I
don't know, man, And then the

504
00:38:21.159 --> 00:38:25.239
subject was changed. But that also
was up at the cabin. So I've

505
00:38:25.280 --> 00:38:31.559
had some really crazy things happen to
me. Crazy anyway, And again,

506
00:38:31.599 --> 00:38:37.519
you've got to be where I'm at
in Virginia at the time other than another

507
00:38:37.599 --> 00:38:40.920
deer hunter. There's nobody around for
a long way. It takes full wheel

508
00:38:42.000 --> 00:38:45.199
drive to get in there, and
it's just a long way in the middle

509
00:38:45.239 --> 00:38:47.920
of nowhere, and if there's any
other hunter close by, he's interested in

510
00:38:47.960 --> 00:38:52.639
getting the his band just like me. And he's not going to go moving

511
00:38:52.679 --> 00:38:57.559
through those woods with no flashlight.
It's not going to I would challenge in

512
00:38:57.639 --> 00:39:00.559
those areas where I'm at than those
areas, know what I'm talking about.

513
00:39:00.559 --> 00:39:04.719
You're just not going to go barren
all through there with nothing, no lights,

514
00:39:04.800 --> 00:39:07.079
know nothing. You're in the mountains, rocks all over the place,

515
00:39:07.119 --> 00:39:09.679
the leaflet are covering the rocks.
You just end up on the ground with

516
00:39:09.719 --> 00:39:17.199
a busted nose quick. But I
would love to know what these things I'm

517
00:39:17.239 --> 00:39:24.719
hearing in the woods are. For
sure had some really interesting situations, Chris.

518
00:39:25.480 --> 00:39:30.440
If there's listeners that familiar with these
areas and they're like, this sounds

519
00:39:30.480 --> 00:39:32.840
like something that I experienced too,
need to put it in the comments,

520
00:39:34.800 --> 00:39:39.119
let us know. But so you've
got this mind that has this background of

521
00:39:39.480 --> 00:39:44.599
law enforcement, you're I'm going to
guess when this stuff is happening to you,

522
00:39:44.840 --> 00:39:50.920
You're you're heavily analyzing or what kind
of mindset are you in when there's

523
00:39:50.960 --> 00:39:54.599
this huge creature it's coming towards you. On how I would handle that.

524
00:39:54.639 --> 00:39:59.679
To be honest, I have to
say that I froze. I'd not like

525
00:39:59.719 --> 00:40:01.880
any fear type way, but yeah, I was scared, but I just

526
00:40:02.039 --> 00:40:07.880
froze because I did not want it
to see me. I knew. It's

527
00:40:07.960 --> 00:40:13.800
never one moment in my mind that
it was ever a human period. Never.

528
00:40:14.800 --> 00:40:16.960
And from that when I hear when
I like when I heard that,

529
00:40:17.159 --> 00:40:22.760
it's well seconds of quickly trying to
go through the process of elimination. That's

530
00:40:22.760 --> 00:40:24.280
not a couple of deer trotting my
way. That's not a buck pushing the

531
00:40:24.320 --> 00:40:28.679
dough my way. That's not a
deer at all. That's not anything small

532
00:40:28.719 --> 00:40:31.320
that is heavy. That's big.
It's breaking branches on the ground, and

533
00:40:31.360 --> 00:40:35.480
it's on two feet. That's not
a bear. I've had bear come under

534
00:40:35.480 --> 00:40:38.039
my tree. Stand you never hear
a thing. And then sometimes they sound

535
00:40:38.039 --> 00:40:42.400
like a freight trainle in through the
woods. I guess it just depends.

536
00:40:42.440 --> 00:40:46.440
But my experiences with bear in the
woods is they're very quiet. That's been

537
00:40:46.480 --> 00:40:52.920
my experiences. And this was just
as it walking towards me. The process

538
00:40:52.920 --> 00:40:55.360
of elimination went pretty quick because it
was pretty crystal clear what I was listening

539
00:40:55.440 --> 00:40:59.239
to. And then before I knew
it. I'm, you know, trying

540
00:40:59.239 --> 00:41:01.920
to get my buddy to take and
then the thing took off and took off

541
00:41:02.239 --> 00:41:07.840
fast, and it didn't go super
far before it stopped dead deadness tracks.

542
00:41:07.880 --> 00:41:13.920
I should say it was like my
mind. It ran heavy on two feet,

543
00:41:14.000 --> 00:41:16.840
but it probably didn't go forty five
fifty yards and then stopped. It

544
00:41:16.880 --> 00:41:21.960
didn't like it was fading away,
but I could still hear it clearly.

545
00:41:22.519 --> 00:41:27.719
And then it just stopped. And
no, so after I'm talking to my

546
00:41:27.760 --> 00:41:32.639
friend, I was thinking, is
it out there watching us right now?

547
00:41:34.320 --> 00:41:37.960
Never heard it run away, just
get out of my range and then it

548
00:41:37.039 --> 00:41:44.119
went quiet. Moving on to number
six is an episode that surprised me that

549
00:41:44.239 --> 00:41:46.880
it was so well received. But
it's a very fun one to listen to.

550
00:41:47.719 --> 00:41:52.000
Jerry is a man of many skills. While digging for gold as an

551
00:41:52.039 --> 00:41:55.159
amateur gold miner in nineteen ninety two, he experienced some Bigfoot related things that

552
00:41:55.239 --> 00:42:00.800
still haunt him to this day.
Let's listen then, and just to show

553
00:42:00.840 --> 00:42:05.400
you I'm not playing around. This
is me at twenty four and that was

554
00:42:05.400 --> 00:42:10.320
on Maxwell's Creek on Lake McClure in
northern California. I was a member of

555
00:42:10.320 --> 00:42:15.920
a about a five or six man
team. We were amateur gold miners.

556
00:42:15.039 --> 00:42:20.360
We spent a lot of time up
in the back country because here's the deal.

557
00:42:20.360 --> 00:42:22.880
If you want to find gold,
you can't pull over and just go

558
00:42:22.960 --> 00:42:25.199
pan for it. There's lots of
gold out in those mountains, but you've

559
00:42:25.199 --> 00:42:29.679
got to go back where nobody's been
for at least two three hundred years.

560
00:42:30.000 --> 00:42:34.400
At least get back to where people
haven't been. And so that's what we

561
00:42:34.480 --> 00:42:37.079
did a lot of. And I
said all that to say this. I

562
00:42:37.199 --> 00:42:40.840
was in a place just east of
Culterville. If you look it up on

563
00:42:40.880 --> 00:42:46.599
the map, coult Cultureville, very
old mining town. I was back in

564
00:42:46.639 --> 00:42:52.199
a place called Dogtown. If you
look up on a GS USGS quadrangle of

565
00:42:52.280 --> 00:42:57.559
the Buckhorn quadrangle, you'll find cat
Town right there. It's an old mining

566
00:42:57.599 --> 00:43:00.159
settlement. Ruins are still there.
But I was up there on my own,

567
00:43:00.920 --> 00:43:04.519
as I did a lot. We
used to go back and scout places

568
00:43:04.559 --> 00:43:08.440
that we could mind actively mind plaster
mind High Bank. Now this is probably

569
00:43:08.480 --> 00:43:13.760
about seven miles back from culture Bill. It's quite a ways. Once you

570
00:43:14.280 --> 00:43:17.239
get to cat Town, you park
and you basically start working your way to

571
00:43:17.280 --> 00:43:22.199
the backside of Yosemite National Park.
And in this area there's a big there's

572
00:43:22.199 --> 00:43:25.840
a big canyon right there. The
Tuolamie River, which comes out of Yosemite,

573
00:43:27.320 --> 00:43:31.199
runs right through that. That's one
of the tributaries that feeds Maxwell's Creek.

574
00:43:31.639 --> 00:43:37.639
And I was back there just We
called it dinkin, and that just

575
00:43:37.719 --> 00:43:40.239
means go down the creek to see
if you find any color. If we

576
00:43:40.320 --> 00:43:44.719
find color, if we find really
good color, we'll all come back and

577
00:43:44.800 --> 00:43:47.760
work that area. You have to
forgive me, man. So I'm back

578
00:43:47.800 --> 00:43:52.880
there now at that time again,
about twenty four I'm about one hundred and

579
00:43:52.920 --> 00:43:58.079
seventy pounds. That's about a forty
five pound rucksack that I always carried with

580
00:43:58.119 --> 00:44:02.039
me. So I'm camped out not
too far from the canyon. I'm the

581
00:44:02.079 --> 00:44:06.239
only one back there. I know
this for a fact. The road,

582
00:44:06.280 --> 00:44:08.800
the logging road I took in used
to be an old mining road. The

583
00:44:08.840 --> 00:44:13.719
bond Rop Mine is off that road. It's a dead end canyon road.

584
00:44:14.599 --> 00:44:17.639
It goes down by Rattlesnake golds and
they just dead ends right there. There's

585
00:44:17.679 --> 00:44:22.000
only one way in, one way
out, and I'm in my tent and

586
00:44:22.639 --> 00:44:27.320
I betted down some pine needles where
the pine needles look thick, and you

587
00:44:27.320 --> 00:44:30.760
can find areas where the pine needles
you're just six eight inches thick. I

588
00:44:30.840 --> 00:44:35.119
betted down there for the night,
had this little old school boy scout style

589
00:44:35.679 --> 00:44:38.800
slip into it tent, and it's
got I don't know what time it was,

590
00:44:38.880 --> 00:44:42.480
man, it's got to be probably
like two three o'clock in the morning.

591
00:44:42.519 --> 00:44:45.880
It's definitely middle of the night.
And I'm just gonna say right now,

592
00:44:46.039 --> 00:44:51.119
I don't know what it was,
okay, but it was clearly on

593
00:44:51.199 --> 00:44:54.639
two feet. I know what I
sound like at one hundred and seventy plus

594
00:44:54.679 --> 00:45:00.159
forty pounds on those pine needles.
Whatever, it was way bigger than me.

595
00:45:00.039 --> 00:45:04.519
It woke me up. Now,
the pine needles weren't all dry.

596
00:45:05.480 --> 00:45:08.320
It was springtime, so it's very
But I know what that sounds like.

597
00:45:08.400 --> 00:45:13.079
I know what other things sound like
in those woods, and whatever it was,

598
00:45:13.719 --> 00:45:19.280
it came in from like the area
of the road, and it walked

599
00:45:19.320 --> 00:45:22.840
around my tent like three times and
I was laying there. I used to

600
00:45:22.880 --> 00:45:27.760
have a Cold Pioneer twenty two long
rifle, a caliber pistol. That's what

601
00:45:27.840 --> 00:45:30.480
I carried with me back in those
days. I've had encounters with mountain lions

602
00:45:30.480 --> 00:45:34.880
and black bears and shit back there, so I always carried something I could

603
00:45:34.880 --> 00:45:38.239
scare them off with. I never
carried heavy weapons back then. And I'm

604
00:45:38.320 --> 00:45:42.559
laying there with this pistol on my
chest and my thumb's on the hammer,

605
00:45:43.119 --> 00:45:45.920
and I'm thinking that that zipper moves, I'm gonna fan off five shots.

606
00:45:46.519 --> 00:45:50.960
It scared the living shit out of
me. And the weirdest part of that

607
00:45:51.000 --> 00:45:54.239
whole deal as I heard it walk
away, and as it cleared the little

608
00:45:54.239 --> 00:45:58.159
clearing I was in with the pine
needles, it got off into the bush

609
00:45:58.480 --> 00:46:01.480
and it was making a little bit
more noise. It was very quiet,

610
00:46:01.519 --> 00:46:06.119
and it was trying to be quiet, you can tell. But the weird

611
00:46:06.159 --> 00:46:09.480
part was it didn't walk like back
towards the road, back where civilizations back

612
00:46:09.519 --> 00:46:15.119
that way. No, it walks
toward the canyon, toward the backside of

613
00:46:15.159 --> 00:46:19.159
Yosemite, and that fred I'm trying
not to cuss, man. It freaked

614
00:46:19.159 --> 00:46:22.960
me the hell out, And at
some point I finally fell asleep. As

615
00:46:23.000 --> 00:46:29.239
soon as the sun popped over that
saddle, I was like, I'm out

616
00:46:29.239 --> 00:46:32.280
of here, and now here's the
deal. Man. Bigfoots a guy in

617
00:46:32.320 --> 00:46:37.840
a monkey suit. That's what I
was told. That's what I knew Bob

618
00:46:37.880 --> 00:46:44.960
Hoeronymous and the whole deal. And
yeah, so back then as a recreational

619
00:46:45.000 --> 00:46:47.039
gold miner, I'm thinking, this
has got to be a claim jumper.

620
00:46:47.079 --> 00:46:51.559
It's got to be a tweak or
something. It's got to be something.

621
00:46:52.079 --> 00:46:54.519
It scared me enough that'd be like
going through my twenty four year old mind.

622
00:46:54.559 --> 00:46:59.519
I'm like, who the hell is
out here at this hour of the

623
00:46:59.559 --> 00:47:04.480
morning walking around my tent and then
walking that way. That's nuts. I

624
00:47:04.559 --> 00:47:07.840
never could figure that out, and
over time, so I packed up that

625
00:47:07.960 --> 00:47:13.159
morning obviously and got the hell out
of there. I told Paul about it,

626
00:47:13.280 --> 00:47:15.199
and he was like, Oh,
it must have been a claim jumper

627
00:47:15.320 --> 00:47:20.000
or something. I'm going, dude, no, this was a big ass

628
00:47:20.000 --> 00:47:22.559
claim jumper. If it was a
claim jumper, because that shit still goes

629
00:47:22.599 --> 00:47:25.519
on back there. There's still plenty
of go back in those hills, and

630
00:47:25.719 --> 00:47:30.599
there's people that will rob you and
there's nothing you can do about it back

631
00:47:30.599 --> 00:47:34.559
there. In clip number five,
Brian Garvey goes hiking New Hampshire Mountains with

632
00:47:34.639 --> 00:47:38.119
his dog Chewi. In this episode, Brian shares the incredibly intense encounters he's

633
00:47:38.159 --> 00:47:42.960
had with bigfoot over the years.
In that environment, it's not one to

634
00:47:43.039 --> 00:47:46.920
miss. We're going to spend two
nights, three days at a campsite in

635
00:47:47.039 --> 00:47:52.840
Glen New Hampshire. Now Glen New
Hampshire is in northern New Hampshire. It's

636
00:47:52.920 --> 00:47:57.960
right past the Presidential Range Mount Washington. So first night went great, spent

637
00:47:58.000 --> 00:48:00.400
the whole next day at the park. Back to that day, tired,

638
00:48:01.280 --> 00:48:04.840
set up the camp you know,
have the campfire, go in, and

639
00:48:04.880 --> 00:48:07.199
they went to bed early because it
was it was a long day. I

640
00:48:07.239 --> 00:48:09.320
stayed up till till it was time
to go to bed. Do you have

641
00:48:09.360 --> 00:48:14.639
to put the campfire out at a
certain time, So around ten o'clock I

642
00:48:14.679 --> 00:48:17.719
put the campfire out, went to
bed. Now for me and still to

643
00:48:17.800 --> 00:48:22.559
this day, when I hike and
do overnights, I can't. I have

644
00:48:22.000 --> 00:48:25.800
issues falling asleep in a tent.
I just I can't sleep on my back.

645
00:48:27.159 --> 00:48:30.639
I am constantly a tosser and a
turner. I know, like when

646
00:48:30.639 --> 00:48:34.480
I go on these big hikes,
I know I'm not going to sleep.

647
00:48:34.840 --> 00:48:37.599
I'm just going to toss and turn
and I suffer. I'll suffer, but

648
00:48:37.719 --> 00:48:42.360
I'll suffer because of my love for
the mountains, like I will get up

649
00:48:42.360 --> 00:48:45.199
and I'll hike the next morning.
So that night I'm just laying in the

650
00:48:45.239 --> 00:48:52.119
tent and it was hours hours I
was laying there, and I'm almost I'm

651
00:48:52.159 --> 00:48:57.800
getting you know, I'm getting mad. I'm getting aggravated because i know the

652
00:48:57.840 --> 00:49:00.559
next day, like we have this
big drive coming up, like a four

653
00:49:00.599 --> 00:49:06.000
hour drive home, and I'm like, i gotta go to sleep now.

654
00:49:06.559 --> 00:49:10.000
The camp site, like the campground
we had it was right on the bend

655
00:49:10.480 --> 00:49:16.119
of this of this brook and it
was probably like nine ten feet wide where

656
00:49:16.159 --> 00:49:22.239
we were the brook, and it
was fast flowing water, so you know,

657
00:49:22.519 --> 00:49:24.800
it was something you could rock hop
across because there were boulders, but

658
00:49:24.880 --> 00:49:28.599
it was nothing I didn't want my
son to get next to because of the

659
00:49:28.679 --> 00:49:30.920
rook, you know, for his
age and the way the water was moving.

660
00:49:30.960 --> 00:49:34.360
I'm like, you can't go next
to this because on the other side

661
00:49:34.760 --> 00:49:37.039
it was just wilderness. So we
were on the out, like right on

662
00:49:37.119 --> 00:49:42.719
the edge of the way the campground
ended. So that night I'm just I'm

663
00:49:42.760 --> 00:49:45.079
listening. I'm laying there, I'm
listening to the water, you know,

664
00:49:45.199 --> 00:49:49.840
I'm listening to all the crickets you
know, you hear like little mice,

665
00:49:50.440 --> 00:49:52.280
you know, the little mice going
through the leaves. You know. I'm

666
00:49:52.360 --> 00:49:54.559
listening to that, and I'm like, man, I'm like, I have

667
00:49:54.639 --> 00:50:00.679
to go to sleep. So I'm
just laying there on my back looking up.

668
00:50:00.280 --> 00:50:07.400
All of a sudden, I hear
this impression stop going across the tent.

669
00:50:07.000 --> 00:50:12.000
Now. At first, like when
I heard it, it scared me.

670
00:50:12.519 --> 00:50:15.440
It scared the crap out of me
because I'm like, who is this

671
00:50:15.559 --> 00:50:20.280
jerk messing with me and my family
in the middle of the night. I

672
00:50:20.360 --> 00:50:23.280
thought it was you know, I'm
thinking it's a person just messing with us,

673
00:50:23.400 --> 00:50:28.079
like a drunk camper, messing with
me, putting his hand across my

674
00:50:28.159 --> 00:50:32.039
tent. So you know how nylon
is loud when a tent is loud when

675
00:50:32.039 --> 00:50:36.960
you rub against it, And that's
what startled me. But I was able

676
00:50:37.000 --> 00:50:40.119
to pick up the impression of the
hand, probably by the door of the

677
00:50:40.199 --> 00:50:44.599
tent. Now, this tent was
a big tent. It was like an

678
00:50:44.599 --> 00:50:46.639
eight person ten. It's one you
could stand up and walk around in.

679
00:50:47.440 --> 00:50:51.880
So we had all our stuff on
one side of the tent. I was

680
00:50:51.880 --> 00:50:54.159
in the middle. It was my
girlfriend and my son on the end of

681
00:50:54.199 --> 00:50:59.199
the tent, so my feet were
at the door of the tent. So

682
00:50:59.519 --> 00:51:02.400
when I saw the impression above the
tent, because I could see, you

683
00:51:02.400 --> 00:51:07.239
know, like I could see the
digits going across, and I'm like,

684
00:51:07.440 --> 00:51:10.400
I go up on my elbows and
I'm watching. I'm about to get up.

685
00:51:12.320 --> 00:51:14.519
I'm about to get up, and
I'm about to open the tent.

686
00:51:14.599 --> 00:51:16.519
I'm gonna see who is this jerk
messing with me? Who was this jerk

687
00:51:16.559 --> 00:51:20.280
trying to scare me in the middle
of the night. So as it made

688
00:51:20.320 --> 00:51:24.199
it across the tent, I'm going
to unzip my my sleeping bag. And

689
00:51:24.480 --> 00:51:29.679
as soon as I start to do
that, I hear a growl. I

690
00:51:29.719 --> 00:51:35.039
hear this, this growl. It
was the deepest growl I have ever heard,

691
00:51:35.199 --> 00:51:37.159
I have ever heard of my life. It went from a growl,

692
00:51:37.760 --> 00:51:43.360
a guttural growl, to a grunt. And when that, when it did

693
00:51:43.440 --> 00:51:49.519
that grunt, man, it my
ear lobes vibrated like it vibrated my body

694
00:51:49.760 --> 00:51:53.800
to where I dropped right back down. I dropped right back down. I

695
00:51:53.840 --> 00:51:59.960
put the frigging pillow over my head
and I just I was so confused.

696
00:52:00.719 --> 00:52:07.559
I went from being angry and mad. I wanted to confront this person to

697
00:52:07.639 --> 00:52:09.880
be like, after I heard that
grunt, I'm like, that's not a

698
00:52:09.920 --> 00:52:16.960
person. A person. A person
cannot do what I heard. And it

699
00:52:17.000 --> 00:52:21.480
was with such ease. It was
just it went from a I heard the

700
00:52:21.559 --> 00:52:25.000
breath, the breath to the growl
to the grunt. So it was just

701
00:52:25.079 --> 00:52:29.360
seconds, you know what I mean, It was just seconds, But I

702
00:52:29.719 --> 00:52:35.840
was I was so, I was
so confused. Just I was confused.

703
00:52:35.920 --> 00:52:38.880
I was scared, and I just
I just I fell right back down.

704
00:52:38.960 --> 00:52:43.360
I put the pillow over my head, and I just I waited. I

705
00:52:43.480 --> 00:52:49.440
waited. I was so scared because
I didn't know what would do that.

706
00:52:50.519 --> 00:52:53.559
So my first motion was like I'm
gonna turn and I'm gonna look. I'm

707
00:52:53.599 --> 00:52:58.320
gonna see if it woke up my
girlfriend. And then they are heavy sleepers,

708
00:52:58.679 --> 00:53:00.880
they were so asleep. Now people
ask me, like, well,

709
00:53:00.920 --> 00:53:06.199
it was it loud, And it
wasn't alloud. It wasn't a scream.

710
00:53:06.639 --> 00:53:12.599
It was just a very deep,
guttal growl to a grunt. And it

711
00:53:12.639 --> 00:53:17.599
blew my mind that it could vibrate
me like that because that's never happened to

712
00:53:17.599 --> 00:53:23.039
me before. The closest thing I
could compare it to is going to a

713
00:53:23.119 --> 00:53:28.119
concert. You get to that front
row in front of a speaker, and

714
00:53:28.159 --> 00:53:31.440
you got that guy. But I'm
on the base and it's rattling through you.

715
00:53:31.880 --> 00:53:37.519
That's the closest I can I can
tell someone what that feels like.

716
00:53:37.760 --> 00:53:44.360
And after that happened, like like
I told you, I was listening to

717
00:53:44.400 --> 00:53:49.599
the crickets. I was listening to
all the little animals. After that grunt,

718
00:53:49.679 --> 00:53:55.159
after that vibration, it went dead
silent, to no crickets. It

719
00:53:55.239 --> 00:54:00.079
was dead silent where I couldn't.
I couldn't. I didn't want. I

720
00:54:00.079 --> 00:54:06.159
couldn't. I couldn't move. And
I don't know if I couldn't move from

721
00:54:06.199 --> 00:54:09.800
the fear or if it was from
that that rattle in my chest, that

722
00:54:09.920 --> 00:54:15.639
vibration. It was something that it
was. It confused me so much.

723
00:54:16.719 --> 00:54:22.880
They stayed sound asleep. They were
sound asleep. Now after that all happened

724
00:54:23.880 --> 00:54:29.119
and it went silent, I just
laid there. I laid there and I

725
00:54:29.199 --> 00:54:34.719
couldn't move. I just I didn't
want to move. I didn't want whatever

726
00:54:34.760 --> 00:54:37.880
it was, I didn't want it
to know I was up. I didn't

727
00:54:37.920 --> 00:54:42.840
want it to come back. I'm
thinking of the direction it was going.

728
00:54:43.559 --> 00:54:46.079
It was going in the direction,
and if it came back, my son

729
00:54:46.239 --> 00:54:51.760
was on the end of that tent. I'm thinking about that. This is

730
00:54:51.800 --> 00:54:54.199
all running through my head. I'm
thinking about I don't want this thing coming

731
00:54:54.280 --> 00:55:00.320
back, you know. I'm trying
to think of animals, what animal could

732
00:55:00.360 --> 00:55:04.920
do that, because that's my first
instinct. Bigfoot was not not even in

733
00:55:05.079 --> 00:55:08.400
my mind. It was nothing I
thought about at the time. It was

734
00:55:08.559 --> 00:55:12.000
it was. It wasn't even a
thought. I'm like, if this one,

735
00:55:12.400 --> 00:55:16.199
there's one in the Pacific Northwest,
That's that's what I thought. It

736
00:55:16.239 --> 00:55:21.039
was just it was. It blew
my mind. It just it blew my

737
00:55:21.199 --> 00:55:27.480
mind to where I I didn't feel
safe. I didn't feel safe till it

738
00:55:27.559 --> 00:55:31.800
started getting light out and I finally
was like, like I finally had that

739
00:55:31.920 --> 00:55:37.559
sense of relief, Like the birds
started chirping, and I finally felt I

740
00:55:37.599 --> 00:55:42.639
felt safe. I'm like, whatever
animal that was has definitely gone by now,

741
00:55:42.719 --> 00:55:45.840
because it's been hours. It was
hours. I was laying there and

742
00:55:45.920 --> 00:55:51.719
I remember that morning, I was
so close to just I was so close

743
00:55:51.760 --> 00:55:58.079
to saying something to my girlfriend,
but I didn't want her to say,

744
00:55:58.719 --> 00:56:02.480
oh, it was just a person, because it wasn't a person. A

745
00:56:04.000 --> 00:56:10.519
person cannot do what I felt with
that vocal. There's no way the effort.

746
00:56:10.519 --> 00:56:15.400
It was an effortless grunt and it
was the deed. It was so

747
00:56:15.559 --> 00:56:21.159
deep. So I remember after that, like I got out. I went

748
00:56:21.159 --> 00:56:23.880
outside the tent that morning. Now
I'm on no sleep. I'm on no

749
00:56:24.039 --> 00:56:28.840
sleep. I didn't know what to
look around for. You know, I

750
00:56:28.920 --> 00:56:32.360
wasn't sure, but we were rookie
campers. You know, my coolers were

751
00:56:32.360 --> 00:56:37.719
out, like everything was out.
Our marshmallows, our marshmallow sticks didn't touch

752
00:56:37.760 --> 00:56:45.360
it. Nothing was touched, nothing
was moved. And I was so confused,

753
00:56:45.440 --> 00:56:47.639
Like I'm even looking on the ground
we were on. It was a

754
00:56:47.679 --> 00:56:52.880
hard, gravelly kind of hard dirt, hard gravel. I looked around for

755
00:56:53.000 --> 00:56:59.920
like I first thought bear because I
couldn't. I hadn't. I couldn't think

756
00:56:59.920 --> 00:57:05.480
of any other big animal in New
Hampshire that could do what happened. And

757
00:57:05.480 --> 00:57:08.039
then I'm really I'm starting to think
about it. I'm like this, a

758
00:57:08.079 --> 00:57:12.480
bear is not going to stand up
on a time legs, run gets poor

759
00:57:12.559 --> 00:57:17.119
across my tent right without putting a
friggin hole in it with its claws like

760
00:57:17.559 --> 00:57:21.119
it baffled me, and I'm like, there's no way he was going to

761
00:57:21.199 --> 00:57:24.800
make that vibration, Like I've never
heard of a bear doing that, And

762
00:57:27.119 --> 00:57:30.960
it bothered me the whole ride home. I was just so close to just

763
00:57:31.000 --> 00:57:35.639
saying something. I kept it to
myself. Now, I kept this to

764
00:57:35.719 --> 00:57:42.239
myself for eighteen years. I told
nobody. That episode, I believe takes

765
00:57:42.239 --> 00:57:46.639
the record for the longest Big for
Society episode ever. You'll have to check

766
00:57:46.639 --> 00:57:52.360
it out and clip number four.
Jim Whitehead, bigfoot researcher from Western Oklahoma,

767
00:57:52.559 --> 00:57:54.960
shares about a night encounter that terrified
him. Much of the information in

768
00:57:55.079 --> 00:57:59.679
Jim's episode has only been shared on
the Big for Society podcast, and I

769
00:57:59.719 --> 00:58:05.239
really recommend you check this episode out. The most terrifying night of my life.

770
00:58:05.880 --> 00:58:09.719
See my old farmhouse. The area
I was researching at was less than

771
00:58:09.760 --> 00:58:15.559
a half mile from my farmhouse,
and I had a good friend of mine

772
00:58:15.639 --> 00:58:20.599
that had been staying with me after
a nasty divorce and getting back on his

773
00:58:20.639 --> 00:58:25.199
feet, and he'd finally moved out. And at the time, I went

774
00:58:25.320 --> 00:58:29.519
up to an area that I referred
to as the marker area because you go

775
00:58:29.639 --> 00:58:34.760
up there, it's like a little
isolated pocket of woods connected by streams to

776
00:58:34.880 --> 00:58:37.559
bigger chunks of woods. But it's
up on the top of the hill,

777
00:58:37.599 --> 00:58:43.199
and there's a pond in the hidden
spring up there, and you go up

778
00:58:43.199 --> 00:58:45.239
there, and there's all kinds of
crazy stuff going on with the trees,

779
00:58:45.280 --> 00:58:52.719
all kinds of possible structures and whatnot. And I'm pretty skeptical on stick structures.

780
00:58:52.719 --> 00:58:58.440
But when you find a tree as
a green sapling that's been wrapped around

781
00:58:58.480 --> 00:59:04.079
another tree and tight in a knot, that's hard to explain. So I

782
00:59:04.119 --> 00:59:09.559
went up there, and that place
tends to give me the creeps, and

783
00:59:10.480 --> 00:59:16.079
went up in there and basically I
was checking the markers, looking for footprints,

784
00:59:16.119 --> 00:59:20.400
that kind of thing, and it
didn't dawn on me. There was

785
00:59:21.000 --> 00:59:27.679
no sound, there was no birds, no bugs, nothing was rustling around

786
00:59:27.719 --> 00:59:32.239
in the leaves. And it really
should have sunk in that That means something

787
00:59:32.360 --> 00:59:38.079
was probably there. So I'm in
there looking around and I hear a crack,

788
00:59:39.079 --> 00:59:43.519
and I turn around and I get
this piece of it'd be a good

789
00:59:43.599 --> 00:59:49.280
piece of firewood that's probably about maybe
a foot and a half long and probably

790
00:59:49.280 --> 00:59:55.039
about three four inches thick, come
sailing in my direction. Now looking back,

791
00:59:55.119 --> 01:00:00.119
it probably didn't intend to hit me. I fell on my butt and

792
01:00:00.159 --> 01:00:04.719
it missed, and I thought it
was aiming at me, and I started

793
01:00:04.800 --> 01:00:08.119
high tailing it out of there,
turned around in time to see a big

794
01:00:08.239 --> 01:00:14.440
silhouette backing back down the dam at
the pond at the entryway to this place.

795
01:00:15.360 --> 01:00:20.079
And I went back to my house, and this is only a half

796
01:00:20.199 --> 01:00:23.960
mile away, and my buddy,
who was staying out there, showed up

797
01:00:24.320 --> 01:00:29.480
to get some stuff and he seen
I was pretty spooked, and I told

798
01:00:29.559 --> 01:00:31.320
him what happened, and he asked
me, what if I wanted him to

799
01:00:31.360 --> 01:00:35.159
stay, and I said, nah, you can go back. You got

800
01:00:35.159 --> 01:00:38.519
stuff you gotta do. I'll be
all right. It wasn't ten fifteen minutes

801
01:00:38.599 --> 01:00:45.159
after he left. I actually was
talking to some of the other researchers when

802
01:00:45.159 --> 01:00:52.320
all of a sudden my dogs went
absolutely berserk. They were going nuts,

803
01:00:52.360 --> 01:01:00.519
barking, and then they were gone. The dogs left, and I went

804
01:01:00.559 --> 01:01:04.280
out there and looked around and I
had a rock hit the security light.

805
01:01:05.119 --> 01:01:10.159
Looking back, it dawned on me
that these things had waited. They number

806
01:01:10.159 --> 01:01:15.159
one, they knew exactly where to
find me at because again it's only a

807
01:01:15.239 --> 01:01:21.000
half mile away, so they knew
where my house was, and then they

808
01:01:21.079 --> 01:01:25.239
waited until my buddy left. They
waited for me to be alone, and

809
01:01:27.119 --> 01:01:30.000
I went back in the house.
I was getting all excited. I'm turning

810
01:01:30.039 --> 01:01:34.960
off the lights and I've got a
night vision scope and I'm running from window

811
01:01:35.000 --> 01:01:38.039
to window looking out, and the
well house is out by the creek.

812
01:01:38.199 --> 01:01:44.719
The pressure switch was malfunctioning and it
was making this loud, clicking noise,

813
01:01:45.199 --> 01:01:49.880
and through the night vision I see
a dark silhouette of what looks like and

814
01:01:50.760 --> 01:01:55.559
an ape on all fours come up
and it reaches up and grabs the door

815
01:01:55.719 --> 01:02:00.559
on the well house and proceeds to
pull the door off off. And it

816
01:02:00.679 --> 01:02:05.519
was checking out the source of that
noise, because it was a really loud

817
01:02:05.559 --> 01:02:12.719
noise coming from that presser switch.
So I get excited. I'm talking on

818
01:02:12.760 --> 01:02:16.679
the forums, and I do want
to add we had a the NABRC had

819
01:02:16.679 --> 01:02:23.400
a team in eastern Oklahoma up near
up near Sallisaw and at that same time

820
01:02:23.480 --> 01:02:30.000
I'm talking to them, they're getting
rocks thrown at them. Then over in

821
01:02:30.119 --> 01:02:34.239
Georgia, we had another expedition going
on that night, and the Georgia team

822
01:02:35.079 --> 01:02:37.760
had been roared at and I think
they got a bluff charge. So all

823
01:02:37.800 --> 01:02:43.679
three of this is happening at the
same time, three different locations, and

824
01:02:44.679 --> 01:02:47.480
we were we were talking back and
forth, and i'm I've got the night

825
01:02:47.559 --> 01:02:52.400
vision. I'm looking out the window
and I see the little ape looking thing

826
01:02:52.480 --> 01:02:55.760
come back, and then there's a
second one with it. Then all of

827
01:02:55.800 --> 01:03:02.000
a sudden, this huge dark mass
follows them, and that well house is

828
01:03:02.039 --> 01:03:07.440
about eight feet tall, and whatever
was taller, and I am certain it's

829
01:03:07.440 --> 01:03:09.719
probably the same one that I saw
across the road in two thousand and nine,

830
01:03:09.800 --> 01:03:15.000
not a year later, this thing
and the people that were act I

831
01:03:15.039 --> 01:03:19.760
was actually talking with the head of
the group and he heard me go from

832
01:03:19.920 --> 01:03:28.320
excited too terrified in one go,
because this thing was massive. And they

833
01:03:28.360 --> 01:03:35.119
went around there left they and throughout
the night they came back several more times,

834
01:03:35.159 --> 01:03:37.039
and I got the feeling that it
might have been some kind of show

835
01:03:37.079 --> 01:03:43.400
of strength or something. Don't quote
me on that's pure speculation on my part,

836
01:03:43.440 --> 01:03:47.920
but I definitely seem to have got
their interest. And when the sun

837
01:03:49.039 --> 01:03:53.760
was starting to come up, I
hadn't slept. I was basically too worked

838
01:03:53.840 --> 01:03:59.840
up to sleep, and I sat
down on the couch in the living room,

839
01:04:00.440 --> 01:04:04.159
which there's a door in the kitchen
which you can see from the living

840
01:04:04.239 --> 01:04:08.159
room, and I turned on the
TV. I just turned it onto that

841
01:04:08.239 --> 01:04:10.960
background on its I don't know what, didn't know at the time what was

842
01:04:11.000 --> 01:04:16.079
on. But you ever have something
happen in your brain takes a snapshot that's

843
01:04:16.400 --> 01:04:20.280
permanently etched into your brain. That's
how I know that Raiders of the Lost

844
01:04:20.400 --> 01:04:26.320
Arc was on Cauz. As I'm
sitting there, I glanced see movement out

845
01:04:26.320 --> 01:04:30.719
the kitchen window in the pre dawn
hours, and I looked at the kitchen

846
01:04:30.760 --> 01:04:34.480
window and a face pops up in
the window looking at me. And I

847
01:04:34.559 --> 01:04:39.920
had a loaded shotgun beside me.
Right after the big one showed up,

848
01:04:39.960 --> 01:04:45.320
I proceeded to load the firearms just
in case. And I looked over at

849
01:04:45.320 --> 01:04:47.519
the shotgun and then looked at it, and then looked back at the shotgun,

850
01:04:48.360 --> 01:04:56.119
and its eyes got about as big
a round as saucers. It proceeded

851
01:04:56.159 --> 01:05:00.559
to disappear. The following night,
I heard all of howls and stuff coming

852
01:05:00.559 --> 01:05:04.679
from up in the hills, and
we had another researcher was visiting his dad,

853
01:05:04.719 --> 01:05:10.280
and he showed up, and I
think he thought that I was making

854
01:05:10.320 --> 01:05:15.400
the whole thing up and everything.
We went up to the marker area and

855
01:05:15.679 --> 01:05:19.440
we started to come back down,
and I was sitting there thinking that,

856
01:05:19.599 --> 01:05:23.800
Okay, I got to do something
because this guy thinks I'm full of crap.

857
01:05:24.519 --> 01:05:27.239
So I said, I'll tell you
what. We'll go up and look

858
01:05:27.280 --> 01:05:30.559
at the markers. You can see
those for yourself. And we were went

859
01:05:30.719 --> 01:05:35.719
back up in there, and we
got met at the tree line by a

860
01:05:35.840 --> 01:05:43.199
dark silhouette about six seven feet talk
actually it was about seven something because I

861
01:05:43.239 --> 01:05:46.480
went back and measured the next day, and it had red eyes shine and

862
01:05:46.519 --> 01:05:53.239
it proceeded to duck under a branch
and start walking in our direction. And

863
01:05:53.559 --> 01:06:00.320
this wasn't a bluff charge. These
were almost Jason vorheas Friday the third teen

864
01:06:00.480 --> 01:06:04.920
strides. Needless to say, we
got out of there real fast. And

865
01:06:05.800 --> 01:06:11.199
that researcher, he'd go on to
say that he doesn't think he's ever been

866
01:06:11.239 --> 01:06:15.480
as close to one as he was
that night. But we got out of

867
01:06:15.519 --> 01:06:20.159
there. We went back down there
to the bottoms, and something else of

868
01:06:20.239 --> 01:06:28.119
interest. Parent my mother and her
my stepdad had showed up because they had

869
01:06:28.559 --> 01:06:30.039
knew that they had talked to me
and saw I was scared. I was

870
01:06:30.400 --> 01:06:38.679
before and before we had went up
there, Rob had played the Ohio House,

871
01:06:38.960 --> 01:06:44.599
the Famous House, and my dog
started looking around nervously, and my

872
01:06:44.800 --> 01:06:49.400
mother actually pointed out to him that
we hear that all the time down there,

873
01:06:50.239 --> 01:06:54.639
a little we here's a little more
higher pitch, but yeah, basically

874
01:06:55.440 --> 01:06:58.760
usually late at night or something,
and she thought it was some kind of

875
01:06:58.800 --> 01:07:02.559
alarm somebody put up the pastor or
something that would go off location. And

876
01:07:02.599 --> 01:07:06.280
clip number three I talked to Roger
Williams from the Squatch and Holler YouTube channel

877
01:07:06.320 --> 01:07:10.599
about a hunting trip that he and
his son had in Marshall County, Tennessee.

878
01:07:10.920 --> 01:07:15.519
What they experienced there will surprise you. Probably three years ago. My

879
01:07:15.639 --> 01:07:19.119
son he has some family in the
south end of the even further south than

880
01:07:19.159 --> 01:07:27.840
here, and we're not we're we're
are twenty five minutes from the Alabama border,

881
01:07:29.320 --> 01:07:32.239
so we're you know, and I've
heard a lot of stuff come out

882
01:07:32.280 --> 01:07:36.760
of North Alabama, northeast, especially
in the hills I had hunting in years.

883
01:07:36.760 --> 01:07:40.519
And he was like that, my
uncle's gonna let him hunt, and

884
01:07:40.519 --> 01:07:45.960
he said you could come too,
okay, And it was more or less

885
01:07:45.440 --> 01:07:49.480
I went as just to have an
experience with him, you know. And

886
01:07:49.559 --> 01:07:53.480
I said, look, I won't, you know, I'll carry something a

887
01:07:53.599 --> 01:07:56.280
rifle with me. I won't be
hunting. I'll just be there and we'll,

888
01:07:56.360 --> 01:07:59.360
you know, we'll care walk's with
us. And so we had to.

889
01:07:59.519 --> 01:08:01.960
It was too before the season,
and I'm like, do you know

890
01:08:01.960 --> 01:08:04.639
anything about the place? He said, well, not really. I said,

891
01:08:04.639 --> 01:08:09.960
we kind of need to go scout
a little bit, so and Bigfoot's

892
01:08:10.000 --> 01:08:15.039
the farthest thing from my mind.
We go up there, we find the

893
01:08:15.079 --> 01:08:19.319
water sources, we find the food, we find the fences, the holes

894
01:08:19.319 --> 01:08:23.920
and the fences where they travel,
and we're just having a big time walking

895
01:08:24.199 --> 01:08:29.199
and we're not being that quiet because
we're just scouting. And we get to

896
01:08:29.239 --> 01:08:33.560
a particular point and I see a
tree about five and a half foot up

897
01:08:33.800 --> 01:08:39.960
and it's a hardwood because when whatever
snapped it, it's splintered. I mean,

898
01:08:40.039 --> 01:08:46.520
just like like a high pressure snap, you know. Being me and

899
01:08:46.600 --> 01:08:50.479
I've always taught him the question and
look for the answers, don't assume.

900
01:08:51.319 --> 01:08:57.359
So I'm looking around and I don't
see anything that fell on it. I

901
01:08:57.359 --> 01:09:00.399
don't see anything at that time.
The top was still there, kind of

902
01:09:00.640 --> 01:09:04.439
attached, and I'm looking around.
I'm like, you know what I think.

903
01:09:04.560 --> 01:09:09.520
I'm thinking that to myself. I'm
like, I've seen some of these

904
01:09:11.560 --> 01:09:15.720
shows that say this is a marker, could be a marker, and don't

905
01:09:15.720 --> 01:09:19.319
go past it. Whatever. Maybe
it was less strout and you know those

906
01:09:19.359 --> 01:09:26.600
guys. But I really I wasn't
thinking bigfoot. I mean, but it

907
01:09:26.720 --> 01:09:30.840
was odd, very odd, and
no reason for it. Okay, So

908
01:09:30.680 --> 01:09:35.239
I had my phone in my pocket, my shirt pocket. I stepped past

909
01:09:35.479 --> 01:09:43.039
this tree and this all happened at
the same time. So Siri, but

910
01:09:43.199 --> 01:09:47.079
I'm scared to say it. She
might wake up here on my phone triggered

911
01:09:47.279 --> 01:09:51.760
and my voice is the only thing
is supposed to trigger that. And Siri

912
01:09:51.960 --> 01:09:58.079
said, I don't quite understand.
And I looked down in my pocket and

913
01:09:58.159 --> 01:10:02.239
I grabbed the phone. Well,
as I'm grabbing the phone, about the

914
01:10:02.359 --> 01:10:06.800
size of your double fizz, A
rock comes over the cedar, up the

915
01:10:06.840 --> 01:10:14.520
hill over the cedar. Ticket they're
not very high and lands i'm gonna say,

916
01:10:15.199 --> 01:10:18.399
twelve to fifteen yards from us.
Bounces down and I hear it.

917
01:10:18.439 --> 01:10:21.439
To my right, my son's looking
at it. I hear it. I

918
01:10:21.520 --> 01:10:29.119
look up, I see the rock
slowing down, but it was so much

919
01:10:29.119 --> 01:10:32.880
to take in all of a sudden. Now I've got my son out here

920
01:10:33.520 --> 01:10:39.039
and we just had a rock thrown
at us, and there's nobody out there.

921
01:10:39.960 --> 01:10:44.640
And you know, something that throws
rock has to have a thumb or

922
01:10:44.640 --> 01:10:48.560
two, you know, has to
have a hand. So I didn't rap

923
01:10:48.680 --> 01:10:53.039
right away what I was doing.
I was thinking, what is our best

924
01:10:53.239 --> 01:10:58.640
action here? Because you know,
any wild animal, you don't want to

925
01:10:58.720 --> 01:11:02.880
run, you don't want to trigger
response, you know, to get attacked

926
01:11:02.960 --> 01:11:08.920
or whatever. So I'm thinking,
what's the best thing we need to do

927
01:11:08.960 --> 01:11:12.680
with my son. He's so funny. The first thing out of his mouth,

928
01:11:12.720 --> 01:11:15.800
he said, are we just going
to ignore that we had our rock

929
01:11:15.199 --> 01:11:18.600
tossed to us? Like? No, Peyton just calmed down. Just hold

930
01:11:18.640 --> 01:11:23.000
on. I'm trying to figure out
what we need to do. I said.

931
01:11:23.039 --> 01:11:25.680
So here's what we need to do. We need to walk down the

932
01:11:25.720 --> 01:11:31.760
hill backwards, so we're facing whatever
this is and don't look up in there.

933
01:11:33.119 --> 01:11:39.439
Let's get away and we'll talk about
this. And so we went back

934
01:11:39.439 --> 01:11:43.560
to the truck and we're like,
what just happened? And so we started

935
01:11:43.560 --> 01:11:45.439
talking about the marker. I said, the tree it was right there at

936
01:11:45.439 --> 01:11:47.720
the tree and he said, what
was up with Siri? I said,

937
01:11:47.720 --> 01:11:53.720
I have that's never happened before.
So my question hearing people talk about infrasound

938
01:11:53.720 --> 01:12:00.880
and all this could infrasound trigger Siri
because I've had that feeling. You know,

939
01:12:00.880 --> 01:12:05.319
I've seen people where they go with
the with the line and then measure

940
01:12:05.359 --> 01:12:09.319
there for sound and they're like,
oh, do you feel anything, and

941
01:12:09.439 --> 01:12:15.840
their jittery and whatever, and so
that's my first question was like, you

942
01:12:15.880 --> 01:12:17.680
know, neither one of us said
a word, so that's not supposed to

943
01:12:17.680 --> 01:12:21.600
happen. Second on, all,
you know, we've got the marker and

944
01:12:21.640 --> 01:12:27.640
then we've got the rock toss.
The Siri by itself wouldn't have been a

945
01:12:27.680 --> 01:12:30.880
big deal. The tree by itself
wouldn't have been a big deal, but

946
01:12:31.000 --> 01:12:39.000
put together with the rock toss,
it became very big deal. And you

947
01:12:39.039 --> 01:12:43.119
know, it scared me because but
we didn't feel threatened though. That's what

948
01:12:43.159 --> 01:12:45.439
we talked about. We didn't feel
threatened, and we talked about, you

949
01:12:45.439 --> 01:12:49.520
know, should we go back,
and we did. We went in before

950
01:12:49.600 --> 01:12:55.479
daylight. We had put him up
a stand in a few days after that.

951
01:12:56.520 --> 01:13:00.680
I mean, you know where I
hunt it's not two hundred to two

952
01:13:00.720 --> 01:13:04.800
hundred and fifty yards from that spot
where he hunts is over over the ridge.

953
01:13:04.800 --> 01:13:11.199
It's not one hundred and fifty yards. And like I said, we've

954
01:13:11.239 --> 01:13:17.079
never felt threatened there, and there
have been times. One morning I was

955
01:13:17.079 --> 01:13:20.600
there, the breeze was blowing.
It was from up the hill. I

956
01:13:20.640 --> 01:13:24.920
don't know what direction actually that is, but you know, you pay attention

957
01:13:24.960 --> 01:13:27.960
to it as a hundred Okay,
well we've got the breeze coming this way.

958
01:13:28.399 --> 01:13:31.760
I knew that Peyton was good and
that I was good anything, you

959
01:13:31.800 --> 01:13:39.039
know, up the hill and I'm
sitting there, been sitting there for forty

960
01:13:39.079 --> 01:13:43.039
five minutes. It hasn't started breaking
daylight yet, but it's getting close.

961
01:13:44.000 --> 01:13:48.520
So they're so fresh air, nice
morning. I'm close to the spring,

962
01:13:48.720 --> 01:13:55.000
a water source, and I'm actually
sitting blind on the ground, which I

963
01:13:55.079 --> 01:14:00.319
don't like doing that, but I
was kind of backed up into a with

964
01:14:00.399 --> 01:14:02.520
some trees and stuff, so I
felt like I had that spot covered,

965
01:14:02.560 --> 01:14:06.399
you know, keep something from walking
up on me. Well, I get

966
01:14:06.640 --> 01:14:15.119
a whiff of the only thing.
Yeah, it did smell like a wet

967
01:14:15.159 --> 01:14:23.640
dog, but it had a an
element like death decay. No listen decay,

968
01:14:24.720 --> 01:14:30.560
wet dog with decay, right,
and I perked up. It's behind

969
01:14:30.600 --> 01:14:33.479
me and that's where the wind was
blowing. It's just a light breeze,

970
01:14:36.479 --> 01:14:43.159
maybe three seconds. It was quick. But here's the thing. So you

971
01:14:43.159 --> 01:14:47.079
know, I've smelt dead animals,
you know, And but when if you

972
01:14:47.159 --> 01:14:50.800
do and the wind blowing too,
you're gonna keep smelling it. Right.

973
01:14:51.560 --> 01:14:56.880
So I'm like, this thing is
moving, whatever this is that's moving,

974
01:14:57.720 --> 01:15:00.520
And I got on the walkie and
I'm like, pay and I'm not trying

975
01:15:00.560 --> 01:15:06.159
to scare you. We've got something
coming in between us that stinks like something

976
01:15:06.199 --> 01:15:12.359
I've never actually smelled before, and
it's moving. I think it's coming to

977
01:15:12.399 --> 01:15:16.479
you. What He never got a
whiff of it, which is even more

978
01:15:16.520 --> 01:15:25.439
strange. And we have smelled this
on more than one occasion, and he's

979
01:15:25.479 --> 01:15:30.039
got a whiff of it a couple
of times, but we've never felt threatened.

980
01:15:30.439 --> 01:15:35.760
And he's had some strange things,
some sounds. He was by hisself

981
01:15:35.760 --> 01:15:39.399
one day and I got a text. You know, I'll check up on

982
01:15:39.479 --> 01:15:44.000
him quite a bit because it's in
an nowhere and he's twenty five, so

983
01:15:44.039 --> 01:15:47.560
he can take care of But you
just don't. It's not smart to hunt

984
01:15:47.560 --> 01:15:50.199
by yourself. But as long as
he checks up with me ever so often,

985
01:15:50.640 --> 01:15:53.960
you know, and let me know
when you're leaving and all that.

986
01:15:56.520 --> 01:16:03.079
He said, Daddy, I just
heard sound like a monkey. He said.

987
01:16:03.079 --> 01:16:08.920
It was the build up and then
a yet kind of a yale.

988
01:16:09.039 --> 01:16:12.560
He said, it wasn't a scream, and it was the direction that came

989
01:16:12.600 --> 01:16:17.159
from was over the same direction as
the marker and the rock throw, but

990
01:16:17.399 --> 01:16:20.800
even further over on the other side
of the hill. And he said,

991
01:16:20.800 --> 01:16:26.640
at first I thought it was a
bull, he said, but on the

992
01:16:26.680 --> 01:16:30.800
beginning of it, but as it
followed through with it, he said it

993
01:16:30.199 --> 01:16:34.119
wasn't. In clip number two,
I checked a Robbert who shares about a

994
01:16:34.319 --> 01:16:39.840
story he heard from the state of
Oklahoma. It's one of my favorite encounter

995
01:16:39.920 --> 01:16:45.840
stories that I've ever heard. It
is intense. It's a great episode.

996
01:16:45.600 --> 01:16:53.319
Robert shares about things he's encountered in
Arkansas and Oklahoma, and the face to

997
01:16:53.399 --> 01:16:59.479
face encounters are just fantastic. So
make sure that you check out episode with

998
01:17:00.279 --> 01:17:04.199
it'll make you think twice about going
into the Oklahoma woods. Okay, it's

999
01:17:04.239 --> 01:17:11.319
the Washitahs and the Kayne I'm it's
actually I'm on the Kayamishi side, Okay,

1000
01:17:11.479 --> 01:17:15.560
the Kayomie she's run into a Toka
okay Atoka Reservoir. Just just north

1001
01:17:15.600 --> 01:17:19.760
of the Atoka Reservoir, that's North
Boggie Creek, and then Boggy Creek runs

1002
01:17:19.760 --> 01:17:26.159
out through runs out forty three.
There all the way back to Sardes Lake,

1003
01:17:26.239 --> 01:17:29.840
into the other area that I told
you about that that was on the

1004
01:17:29.880 --> 01:17:35.279
other side of this specific area.
Wow. So forty three runs through Stringtown

1005
01:17:35.439 --> 01:17:38.920
out of a Toka. You go
through a Toko, you're going south,

1006
01:17:39.920 --> 01:17:44.039
you take Stringtown over on forty three. Forty three will take you all the

1007
01:17:44.039 --> 01:17:48.319
way back out the Sardes Lake.
So in between forty three and Highway three

1008
01:17:48.760 --> 01:17:55.640
sits McGee Creek, Okay, and
from there to Arkansas. It's just woods

1009
01:17:55.680 --> 01:18:00.560
men. It's just it's just it's
the the Kayamie. She's running into the

1010
01:18:00.720 --> 01:18:04.479
Washatas. The Washatas run into the
Winding Stairs. The winding Stairs run into

1011
01:18:04.520 --> 01:18:10.399
the Blues. The Blues run into
Queen Wilhelmina and then the Poto Mountain range,

1012
01:18:10.760 --> 01:18:14.560
and then from there it's the Boston's
and the Ozarks. All it is

1013
01:18:14.560 --> 01:18:18.840
is w man. Robert, have
you ever heard of I know exactly where

1014
01:18:18.880 --> 01:18:24.600
it is. I have a few
friends that are interested in this, in

1015
01:18:24.680 --> 01:18:29.239
this, in this, in this
thing. Yeah, I've talked to a

1016
01:18:29.279 --> 01:18:36.279
few people about this. Yeah,
it is. It's very prevalent where I

1017
01:18:36.319 --> 01:18:44.680
grew up. Okay, it's it's
it's hey, that's a bear. We

1018
01:18:44.720 --> 01:18:48.760
know they're there. There's a bear
in that area. Every single person there

1019
01:18:48.800 --> 01:18:53.520
goes, yeah, there's that's watch
out there. You can ask just randomly,

1020
01:18:53.520 --> 01:18:55.600
ask somebody, but you believe this, ask what as the day.

1021
01:18:55.600 --> 01:19:01.960
Absolutely, they'll just tell you like, it's not, it's not. It's

1022
01:19:02.000 --> 01:19:05.520
not a conspiracy theory. I'll tell
you that. We're all out of those.

1023
01:19:05.560 --> 01:19:10.279
By the way, there are no
more conspiracy theories. It's all.

1024
01:19:10.279 --> 01:19:13.279
It's all out in the open.
Okay. And and one of the gentlemen

1025
01:19:13.319 --> 01:19:19.439
that that he told me a story
and we actually just bumped into each other

1026
01:19:19.800 --> 01:19:27.079
at and we started talking, and
he told me a story. He went

1027
01:19:27.119 --> 01:19:30.720
out and he had a wanted to
kill some hobs and he set up on

1028
01:19:30.760 --> 01:19:34.520
a trail and I'm just gonna tell
you this story real quick, okay please,

1029
01:19:34.600 --> 01:19:39.560
And okay, so he's and this
is his story, not mine,

1030
01:19:39.600 --> 01:19:42.479
And let me tell you I believe
this guy one hundred percent. He has

1031
01:19:42.600 --> 01:19:45.039
no reason to lie. He goes
to church on Sunday and Wednesday. I

1032
01:19:45.079 --> 01:19:48.000
promise you this guy has no reason
to lie about this. It freaked him

1033
01:19:48.000 --> 01:19:53.119
out terribly to the point where he
won't go back out there. He will

1034
01:19:53.119 --> 01:19:55.680
not go back out I will never
go hunt out there again. No.

1035
01:19:56.640 --> 01:20:00.279
Well, here's his story. He's
sitting in his tree stand and the trail

1036
01:20:00.359 --> 01:20:04.159
comes down off a hill, off
the hill and comes down into the gully,

1037
01:20:04.960 --> 01:20:09.720
and he sees he sees a bunch
of hogs coming this way, and

1038
01:20:09.720 --> 01:20:13.800
he's like, all right, I'm
about to get me some and he decides

1039
01:20:13.840 --> 01:20:16.560
to take something, takes his eye
down into the gully. Off to his

1040
01:20:16.680 --> 01:20:20.600
right, he sees movement, so
he starts to look down there, thinking

1041
01:20:20.640 --> 01:20:27.000
that he's going to see more hogs. He does not. He sees two

1042
01:20:27.199 --> 01:20:32.720
very large critters on all fours and
then they stand up, and then they

1043
01:20:32.760 --> 01:20:41.319
start moving from tree to tree to
tree towards the hogs. Once again,

1044
01:20:42.319 --> 01:20:47.520
the hogs start coming down the hill, and once again, the biggest one,

1045
01:20:47.680 --> 01:20:54.399
the one in front, goes back
to all fours and takes off immediately

1046
01:20:54.960 --> 01:20:58.199
on all fours. By the way, not on two feet, on all

1047
01:20:58.600 --> 01:21:03.560
fours toward the hog. And what
happens next is what scared the crap out

1048
01:21:03.600 --> 01:21:09.520
of him, because it literally it
came off of all fours, hit the

1049
01:21:09.560 --> 01:21:15.000
hog with two hands, breaking its
back, grabbed it by the hind legs,

1050
01:21:15.359 --> 01:21:18.119
swung it over to the tree and
smashed his head on the tree and

1051
01:21:18.359 --> 01:21:24.600
slung it over its shoulder and looked
right at him in his tree stand shut

1052
01:21:24.680 --> 01:21:29.319
up and just walked off. He
said that hog was three hundred pounds,

1053
01:21:29.800 --> 01:21:33.520
no problem, at least two hundred
and fifty to three hundred pounds, he

1054
01:21:33.560 --> 01:21:38.640
said. He it took two hands
to smash that hog, and then he

1055
01:21:38.680 --> 01:21:43.560
finished it off by swirling it around
and smashing his head against the tree.

1056
01:21:44.399 --> 01:21:47.199
Again. Check that episode out.
It is wild. We're down to number

1057
01:21:47.199 --> 01:21:55.239
one and number one in our listener
downloaded episodes of twenty twenty three. This

1058
01:21:55.279 --> 01:21:59.279
is on the audio podcast side.
I'm going to share a clip from an

1059
01:21:59.279 --> 01:22:03.560
episode I did with William or Bill
Morris from Southwest Oregon. Listen along with

1060
01:22:03.600 --> 01:22:13.000
me as I share what happened when
Bill found a sasquatch killed bear. It

1061
01:22:13.079 --> 01:22:15.960
took me by surprise. Damn sure, it'll take you by surprise as well.

1062
01:22:16.640 --> 01:22:19.760
I actually have a sasquatch killed bear
sitting out here in my shed.

1063
01:22:20.680 --> 01:22:27.800
The back legs were tucked up inside
of the rib cage. Wait can you

1064
01:22:27.840 --> 01:22:33.159
repeat that way? I have a
sasquatch killed bear. Okay, the neck

1065
01:22:33.279 --> 01:22:39.000
is run like a wrung out washcloth. The skull and everything's still in there.

1066
01:22:39.560 --> 01:22:43.319
All the paws were pinched off,
at least the front two. The

1067
01:22:44.560 --> 01:22:49.479
head still encased in the skin,
all twisted up, and the back paws

1068
01:22:49.479 --> 01:22:58.359
were still attached to the skin but
not in the body. Yeah. Yeah,

1069
01:22:58.840 --> 01:23:01.159
it'll blow your MinC said. I
said, there's only a couple of

1070
01:23:01.159 --> 01:23:03.600
people that know about this. Now
you all know about it. Well,

1071
01:23:06.079 --> 01:23:12.640
okay, we'll save explain to me. What so did you find like A?

1072
01:23:12.880 --> 01:23:16.600
You found like A? I was. I was on my way back

1073
01:23:16.640 --> 01:23:21.720
from my visiting my grandchildren, so
I took the back roads, and which

1074
01:23:21.800 --> 01:23:25.439
you know, because I hate taking
the freeway. I hate taking the same

1075
01:23:25.479 --> 01:23:28.840
way as just boring. And uh. I was like, no, you're

1076
01:23:28.840 --> 01:23:30.720
not going to stop by your area. No you're going by it. No

1077
01:23:30.760 --> 01:23:33.279
you're not going to stop by Oh
yeah you are. You're going to stop

1078
01:23:33.279 --> 01:23:35.960
by your area and go check on
it. So I get up this one

1079
01:23:36.000 --> 01:23:41.680
area and it's it's the spot between
where you turn off on the cutoff road

1080
01:23:41.720 --> 01:23:46.479
at the base of the area to
the spring, and I call it the

1081
01:23:46.680 --> 01:23:50.880
now I call it their dining room
or the kitchen. After I found the

1082
01:23:50.880 --> 01:23:56.800
bear. But I pulled up there
and there's this arch tree that's right there,

1083
01:23:56.840 --> 01:23:59.640
and that's where I leave my offerings
is on that tree. But what

1084
01:23:59.720 --> 01:24:02.279
I hate to leave there is because
it's very visible from the roadway, so

1085
01:24:02.319 --> 01:24:05.880
anybody could go up and you know, just destroy whatever I've got there.

1086
01:24:05.960 --> 01:24:09.800
So I've learned to go to the
back of one of the trees close to

1087
01:24:09.840 --> 01:24:14.319
that and tack like a bag on
with some tacks and put fruit in,

1088
01:24:15.119 --> 01:24:20.520
garlic and tangerines. That's what I
left the last time last week. But

1089
01:24:20.680 --> 01:24:25.880
I took pictures of this when the
first day I found it and it had

1090
01:24:26.439 --> 01:24:30.399
the meat had just there was just
a very very minscule layer of meat on

1091
01:24:30.439 --> 01:24:34.039
the ribs that I could see,
and a little bit back on the pelvic

1092
01:24:34.079 --> 01:24:38.600
area, and you can see the
gray because the meat, you know,

1093
01:24:38.640 --> 01:24:41.600
after about twenty four hours, it's
going to turn gray, especially if it's

1094
01:24:41.640 --> 01:24:47.119
really thin. Any meats that's slept
out and it was like the meat had

1095
01:24:47.159 --> 01:24:53.640
been stripped off just right down just
before that tough layer you know that you

1096
01:24:53.680 --> 01:24:56.720
get in the ribs, you know, the pieces that were always going on

1097
01:24:56.800 --> 01:25:00.159
and pulling. You know. I
don't think it's digestible, but we did

1098
01:25:00.199 --> 01:25:03.560
anyways, at least tie to it. I'm a carnivore. I'm sorry.

1099
01:25:03.840 --> 01:25:09.279
I love it. But it had
that gray layer of meat on there.

1100
01:25:09.319 --> 01:25:11.840
I was like, wow, this
is fresh. I didn't know what it

1101
01:25:11.920 --> 01:25:15.119
was because it's straight down a bank, you know, and it's like,

1102
01:25:15.680 --> 01:25:18.840
I'm not getting myself hurt going down
there. And I was just in there

1103
01:25:18.920 --> 01:25:21.479
just to check on the area anyhow. But that's what I discovered. So

1104
01:25:21.520 --> 01:25:25.760
I took pictures of it that very
day, so I have those pictures to

1105
01:25:25.800 --> 01:25:30.439
compare it to when I actually got
the carcass. And the cool part is

1106
01:25:31.600 --> 01:25:35.199
and I think they knew I was
going to ask for this bear is through

1107
01:25:35.239 --> 01:25:40.319
one of the vertebrates of the neck
was a stick stuck through the vertebrae.

1108
01:25:40.960 --> 01:25:45.359
It didn't fall that way because it's
like, you know, let me get

1109
01:25:45.399 --> 01:25:46.840
out here. Hard to get the
cameras, it takes a minute. It

1110
01:25:46.880 --> 01:25:50.600
was like this far through the vertebrae. So if it fell, it shot

1111
01:25:51.640 --> 01:25:56.479
right through this neckbone. Because it
wouldn't go down this way. It had

1112
01:25:56.520 --> 01:26:00.319
to be stuck through the vertebrae and
then another stick and gets what I had

1113
01:26:00.319 --> 01:26:03.119
at the neck an x and some
lot of folks. I got to tell

1114
01:26:03.159 --> 01:26:08.479
you one thing I really want to
express to you and drive home. As

1115
01:26:08.520 --> 01:26:12.760
an ex does not mean keep out
when it comes to Sasquatches. Remember they're

1116
01:26:12.840 --> 01:26:16.159
very similar to us, but they're
not us, and their language is different

1117
01:26:16.159 --> 01:26:20.199
than ours. But I am finding
that all the exes that I find are

1118
01:26:20.239 --> 01:26:26.840
a welcome sign. They're actually welcome, welcome me you to the area.

1119
01:26:26.960 --> 01:26:30.920
They know you're coming. And if
you recognize that it was meant for you,

1120
01:26:31.439 --> 01:26:35.640
it was absolutely meant and put there
for you. And so those are

1121
01:26:35.680 --> 01:26:39.520
the places if you want to go, squatch, and that's where you start,

1122
01:26:40.479 --> 01:26:43.000
that's where you want to go.
But if there was an exit the

1123
01:26:43.039 --> 01:26:45.520
neck because they already knew I was
going to take it, they already knew

1124
01:26:45.560 --> 01:26:48.159
I was going to ask, and
I asked them permission for it, you

1125
01:26:48.199 --> 01:26:51.199
know, I asked for just like
when I took the photographs of the female,

1126
01:26:51.560 --> 01:26:57.319
I asked permission and I explained,
like I needed to. She already

1127
01:26:57.359 --> 01:27:00.399
knew what they were, knew in
a photograph. You can't hide any from

1128
01:27:00.439 --> 01:27:03.159
them, and don't try. It's
not worth it. And I'm armed.

1129
01:27:04.159 --> 01:27:09.000
They don't mind me being armed,
and the reason why is because they know

1130
01:27:09.079 --> 01:27:12.279
it's not for them, and I
have no intention of every firing at them

1131
01:27:12.319 --> 01:27:15.680
and just piss them off. You
know, if you like me getting hit

1132
01:27:15.680 --> 01:27:23.039
with a babi is like, see
now, I'm mad. But I wasn't

1133
01:27:23.039 --> 01:27:26.439
able to go up to the area
for a while, so I came back

1134
01:27:26.479 --> 01:27:31.960
in seven weeks. Jeremiah, it
had not been touched. That does not

1135
01:27:32.119 --> 01:27:38.000
happen in nature. That's weird,
man. That does not happen when a

1136
01:27:38.079 --> 01:27:41.000
deer or anything. You find a
roadkill, go back a week later,

1137
01:27:41.079 --> 01:27:44.039
tell me what's left of it.
Yeah, tell me what's left of it.

1138
01:27:45.000 --> 01:27:47.319
Find pieces of it. You might
find a few pieces here, maybe

1139
01:27:47.359 --> 01:27:53.199
a rib bone here, maybe a
leg bone over here, but ninety percent

1140
01:27:53.239 --> 01:27:57.039
of it's going to be gone.
The forest tends to clean up after itself.

1141
01:27:58.239 --> 01:28:01.439
We have the first day. If
you're looking at ravens and turkey vultures,

1142
01:28:02.319 --> 01:28:05.600
they go in, they take whatever
they can of any meat and sinews

1143
01:28:05.600 --> 01:28:10.680
that are left and you know,
any cartilages, and they've removed that.

1144
01:28:10.760 --> 01:28:14.520
And that's what got my attention the
second time of going up there and finding

1145
01:28:14.520 --> 01:28:19.039
the carcasses I came upon and I'm
looking at feathers. Turkey vultures were there,

1146
01:28:19.039 --> 01:28:23.600
and they're kind of I've always been
one of my spirit guides because we're

1147
01:28:24.039 --> 01:28:27.760
the ones that clean up the messes, and that's always kind of been my

1148
01:28:27.880 --> 01:28:31.279
four days and you know, when
it hits the fan, I'm the one

1149
01:28:31.319 --> 01:28:38.439
that helps make everything okay and figure
everything out and stay calm and clear everything

1150
01:28:38.560 --> 01:28:44.199
up. And so I'm picking up
feathers and I look down that carcass is

1151
01:28:44.199 --> 01:28:48.560
still there and it's untouched. There
is not one. The only market that

1152
01:28:48.560 --> 01:28:53.880
we're on. It was from the
Turkey vulture picking at the joints and stuff

1153
01:28:53.920 --> 01:28:58.359
and pulling some of the sinews up. I have the whole thing intact.

1154
01:28:59.119 --> 01:29:01.479
There's been a couple of going to
fall off. That's just a little snippet

1155
01:29:01.560 --> 01:29:10.239
of how wild that episode gets.
I'd like to thank AMBLA big for society

1156
01:29:10.279 --> 01:29:15.079
listeners for listening to the channel,
being subscribers, being involved, sharing your

1157
01:29:15.239 --> 01:29:20.399
stories, allowing me to hear them
so that I can share them with the

1158
01:29:20.439 --> 01:29:25.319
rest of the listeners and it can
help them out as well. But before

1159
01:29:26.479 --> 01:29:30.760
I let you all go, I
want to share one a bonus clip.

1160
01:29:31.439 --> 01:29:38.279
This is a clip from my current
favorite episode I've ever recorded. It's Individual

1161
01:29:38.319 --> 01:29:42.399
from Renier, Oregon, who shares
what happened when his family was tormented by

1162
01:29:42.479 --> 01:29:46.239
sasquatch for four years. If you've
never heard this episode, you owe it

1163
01:29:46.319 --> 01:29:55.279
to yourself to listen immediately after this. Share this episode with a friend who

1164
01:29:55.319 --> 01:29:59.239
hasn't listened to Big for Society yet. It's a great introduction to a lot

1165
01:29:59.279 --> 01:30:03.199
of really good episodes. And if
you want to hear any of the episodes

1166
01:30:03.199 --> 01:30:06.079
that go along with these clips,
go over to the show notes and I'll

1167
01:30:06.079 --> 01:30:14.920
have the links to all the episodes
by order in the show notes. Okay,

1168
01:30:15.239 --> 01:30:18.720
that'd be great. Well, we
came to Reinier, Oregon from southern

1169
01:30:18.800 --> 01:30:27.079
California as my dad was a pipefitter. He was hired ont the Trojan Nuclear

1170
01:30:27.159 --> 01:30:31.720
Plant as it was being built.
And I am one of many kids and

1171
01:30:32.439 --> 01:30:38.960
boys and girls when I was youngest
and dad bought this land and when we

1172
01:30:39.000 --> 01:30:46.399
first got there, there was we
moved into this just horrible single wide trailer

1173
01:30:47.039 --> 01:30:50.840
until we can get a brand new
one there. And right off the bat,

1174
01:30:51.199 --> 01:30:55.640
some very odd things were occurring.
We thought it was just a neighbors

1175
01:30:55.640 --> 01:31:00.439
coming over, but it wasn't to
be blunt. These animals or whatever they

1176
01:31:00.439 --> 01:31:05.359
are, whatever you choose to call
them, they're as real as the vehicles

1177
01:31:05.680 --> 01:31:11.640
driving down the road. That being
said, they had a nasty habit at

1178
01:31:11.680 --> 01:31:16.840
first of just looking through our windows
and scaring mostly all my sisters, all

1179
01:31:16.880 --> 01:31:21.279
the girls, and my mother,
and they would scream and run from the

1180
01:31:21.359 --> 01:31:25.520
room. And Dad would always run
out the door and he wouldn't hardly ever

1181
01:31:26.119 --> 01:31:30.399
see anything, but he would hear
loud footsteps as if you were dragging a

1182
01:31:30.960 --> 01:31:33.760
engine block through the woods, so
to speak. We all started to get

1183
01:31:33.800 --> 01:31:38.760
pretty good looks at him here and
there, and in the daytime and a

1184
01:31:38.840 --> 01:31:44.600
night time, and it was obvious
as we cleaned this single wide up the

1185
01:31:44.640 --> 01:31:53.760
outside of it that these animals were
pounding on this trailer and it was there

1186
01:31:53.840 --> 01:32:00.680
was just pounded, and we slowly
understood what was occurring. I didn't do

1187
01:32:00.800 --> 01:32:05.720
anything aggressive at first. They were
they were just curious of what was going

1188
01:32:05.760 --> 01:32:11.199
on. It was obvious to a
plowboy that nobody had lived in this trailer

1189
01:32:11.279 --> 01:32:17.399
for quite some time years possibly we
knew that there was four. We knew

1190
01:32:17.520 --> 01:32:21.560
that there was four because we all
seen all four of them at the same

1191
01:32:21.600 --> 01:32:28.479
time, many times, mostly in
the daytime. There was obviously a large

1192
01:32:29.199 --> 01:32:33.359
annual excuse a cliche. There was
a large male, and well, saying

1193
01:32:33.479 --> 01:32:41.960
large is kind of an understatement.
There was a smaller female. She was

1194
01:32:42.079 --> 01:32:49.119
more boxy, chubby, kind of
shaped, and then two younger ones that

1195
01:32:49.199 --> 01:32:54.880
were almost identical. One was a
little brown, one was a little cinnamon

1196
01:32:55.039 --> 01:33:02.960
red, and they were very almost
identical in height. So the mom and

1197
01:33:03.079 --> 01:33:08.880
dad had to rationalize this. They
were lying to us children. They had

1198
01:33:08.920 --> 01:33:15.239
to become professional liars to their children
by saying, oh, these things are

1199
01:33:15.359 --> 01:33:19.920
just like monkeys. They're monkeys.
Because we came from California and we'd often

1200
01:33:19.960 --> 01:33:23.880
go to the San Diego Zoo,
you know, once a year kind of

1201
01:33:23.880 --> 01:33:27.840
thing. They did not want their
children frightened. We thought, okay,

1202
01:33:27.960 --> 01:33:32.439
they're monkeys, so we wouldn't be
afraid. So in time we had a

1203
01:33:32.520 --> 01:33:38.880
new double wide put in above where
we were at and cleared off a bunch

1204
01:33:38.880 --> 01:33:44.560
of land, and Dad had hired
a company to come in and start cutting

1205
01:33:44.600 --> 01:33:48.880
down trees that were enormous within themselves. They're you know, the kind of

1206
01:33:48.880 --> 01:33:51.680
logs you'd only be able to put
two or three on a logging cut.

1207
01:33:53.199 --> 01:33:57.840
And that's when things changed quite a
bit. They would just come out and

1208
01:33:57.880 --> 01:34:02.479
stand there away from the tree line
a few feet. They were quite unafraid,

1209
01:34:02.680 --> 01:34:08.960
all four of them. They would
stand most of the time motionless.

1210
01:34:09.359 --> 01:34:13.880
They had no fear of us whatsoever, at least to us the family.

1211
01:34:14.520 --> 01:34:17.560
Everybody was hassled. And when I
say everybody, I want to let me

1212
01:34:17.640 --> 01:34:25.199
qualify that the timber followers that Dad
hired, they were being hassled and they

1213
01:34:25.199 --> 01:34:30.840
were being scared off by these things. The people that we bought the land

1214
01:34:30.920 --> 01:34:36.520
from, a very elderly couple named
Belle and al they still lived on the

1215
01:34:36.560 --> 01:34:43.159
property and old shack. They were
being harassed, and so slowly, over

1216
01:34:43.319 --> 01:34:50.439
months and months things would uptick.
So what Dad thought he would do is

1217
01:34:50.560 --> 01:34:57.199
let people at the time who was
working around him. He would let the

1218
01:34:57.279 --> 01:35:02.600
men live in the single wire that
we did stay in there. For one

1219
01:35:02.640 --> 01:35:05.960
reason, Dad said, I'm not
going to charge you any money to stay

1220
01:35:06.000 --> 01:35:11.359
there, because at the time it
was super hard to find a place to

1221
01:35:11.399 --> 01:35:16.479
live there. These things were on
the property, you'd make a reasonable effort

1222
01:35:16.800 --> 01:35:24.119
to air them out in any way
that you see fit and you're good,

1223
01:35:24.800 --> 01:35:28.479
and so they did. I was
always instructed to stay away from them,

1224
01:35:29.000 --> 01:35:32.000
and it just got really bad,
especially for the girls. For some reason,

1225
01:35:32.720 --> 01:35:39.000
the male and female, they were
just they they couldn't they were It's

1226
01:35:39.079 --> 01:35:43.079
like their curiosity got the best of
them. And the girls, of course

1227
01:35:43.119 --> 01:35:48.600
would use high pitched voices because we
were young, and the girls were just

1228
01:35:48.720 --> 01:35:54.039
frightened of absolutely everything. My older
brother, he was the oldest, and

1229
01:35:54.239 --> 01:35:59.159
I was the youngest. We were
told things a little bit differently that,

1230
01:35:59.439 --> 01:36:05.039
of course, being this five foot
tall pipefitter that resembled Yosemite. Sam also

1231
01:36:05.079 --> 01:36:11.479
a marine in the Korean War era, was no joke. You didn't mess

1232
01:36:11.560 --> 01:36:15.560
with this guy, and you're not
gonna tell him what to do, you

1233
01:36:15.600 --> 01:36:18.640
know, but a very decent amount. And he'd look at my brother and

1234
01:36:18.680 --> 01:36:21.720
I and say, these things are
a threat. I don't want you to

1235
01:36:21.760 --> 01:36:26.640
grab a rifle and go after them, because that's what they probably want.

1236
01:36:27.239 --> 01:36:31.720
And we never did. But the
men in the trailer start to seek these

1237
01:36:31.760 --> 01:36:38.119
things out to fulfill their obligation,
so to speak, and it just got

1238
01:36:38.119 --> 01:36:42.520
worse. They kind of I think
that was kind of a mistake on Dad's

1239
01:36:42.520 --> 01:36:46.800
part. This is a span over
four years, at least it was for

1240
01:36:46.920 --> 01:36:51.439
my brother, my dad, and
myself. Now after two years, all

1241
01:36:51.520 --> 01:36:56.479
my sisters, including my mother who
is a heart patient, and not to

1242
01:36:56.520 --> 01:37:01.000
be startled, they had had enough. They're always These were not the girls

1243
01:37:01.039 --> 01:37:05.640
that we remember when we moved there. There You're never get any sleep.

1244
01:37:05.680 --> 01:37:13.479
They're always scared. They they changed, and Dad was. Dad was,

1245
01:37:14.479 --> 01:37:16.319
of course concerned. I'm more than
concerned. He was, you know,

1246
01:37:16.880 --> 01:37:21.159
scared for all the girls. Every
once in a while, you know,

1247
01:37:21.359 --> 01:37:26.479
one of the girls or both of
the girls are all four of them for

1248
01:37:26.560 --> 01:37:29.560
that fact, would run in the
house screaming, and that's not good.

1249
01:37:29.600 --> 01:37:32.399
And the nerves would be high for
a couple of days. But then a

1250
01:37:32.439 --> 01:37:35.520
few days later something else would happen. The girls would get scared again.

1251
01:37:36.439 --> 01:37:42.039
So and this went on for a
couple of years, and Dad finally sent

1252
01:37:42.720 --> 01:37:48.960
the girls away to Kenwick, Washington. And the day after Dad had sent

1253
01:37:49.000 --> 01:37:56.239
the girls away, he got the
men from the trailer down there and us

1254
01:37:56.319 --> 01:38:00.960
two boys and informed everybody the girls
are gone. I want these things aired

1255
01:38:00.960 --> 01:38:06.239
out. You know, all bets
are off. It's funny people think just

1256
01:38:06.800 --> 01:38:13.279
turn on all your lights and they'll
go away. That's not exactly true.

1257
01:38:13.840 --> 01:38:18.239
They don't care about the light.
They don't care because often you would see

1258
01:38:18.279 --> 01:38:21.800
them in a light like an old
farm light in your driveway that you would

1259
01:38:21.880 --> 01:38:26.319
have, and they'd be standing just
a few feet away from it, either

1260
01:38:26.479 --> 01:38:30.039
staring at the house most of the
time, or off at one of the

1261
01:38:30.119 --> 01:38:34.920
other animals creatures. So that's not
you know, people think turn on the

1262
01:38:35.000 --> 01:38:38.760
lights and they'll go Now they know
they're not going to go away. They're

1263
01:38:38.800 --> 01:38:45.159
not afraid. So they tried a
lot of different things to actually lure these

1264
01:38:45.159 --> 01:38:51.239
animals in, and not a darn
thing worked to lure than them. They

1265
01:38:51.279 --> 01:38:55.840
try to bait them or whatever.
They just wanted to get a shot at

1266
01:38:55.920 --> 01:39:00.199
them. And well, let me
describe the animals. The large male.

1267
01:39:01.039 --> 01:39:05.079
I remember this boiler maker. He
was a boiler maker. And these are

1268
01:39:05.119 --> 01:39:12.079
all savvy men. He had said. The male was at least ten feet

1269
01:39:12.119 --> 01:39:17.159
tall and a little under one thousand
pounds, and he never qualified how he

1270
01:39:17.239 --> 01:39:20.920
knew that. But you look at
these group of men, they knew that

1271
01:39:21.119 --> 01:39:27.520
These were old school, very tough, all go, no stop hunting,

1272
01:39:27.600 --> 01:39:33.439
almost year round kind of men,
and the female was probably probably about eight

1273
01:39:33.479 --> 01:39:42.039
feet tall and a little bit lighter, but just there. It's my opinion

1274
01:39:42.159 --> 01:39:45.960
that when people go in the shock, they think that they could see when

1275
01:39:45.960 --> 01:39:51.680
it's no big deal, but they're
not ready to see how enormous these creatures,

1276
01:39:53.239 --> 01:39:57.560
these animals actually are, and that's
what stops people in their tracks.

1277
01:39:58.239 --> 01:40:02.680
I think it's something inherent in all
of us that when we either see something

1278
01:40:02.760 --> 01:40:10.319
that large that's not supposed to exist, that it scares us to act out

1279
01:40:10.520 --> 01:40:14.319
or just to shut down and not
move. You're at Bigfoot Society. Art

1280
01:40:14.399 --> 01:40:18.920
goal is to provide a platform for
those that have encountered Bigfoot to share their

1281
01:40:19.039 --> 01:40:24.560
encounter in a safe environment. But
we need to hear your story. If

1282
01:40:24.600 --> 01:40:30.199
you've experienced something that you just can't
explain, please send me an email at

1283
01:40:30.199 --> 01:40:35.079
Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com.
Then we can start the conversation. And

1284
01:40:35.119 --> 01:40:41.159
I know a lot of you have
not shared your encounter at all. It's

1285
01:40:41.239 --> 01:40:45.760
been twenty years and it's time that
you get this off your chest and then

1286
01:40:45.800 --> 01:40:48.760
you can get some well deserved for
rest. Because I know you haven't been

1287
01:40:48.800 --> 01:40:55.359
sleeping. I understand what you're going
through, and I appreciate every one of you listening