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Originally released as Episode 509 on 08/27/24. Deep in Oregon’s wild backcountry, one experienced outdoorsman began noticing a pattern he could no longer ignore. What started as uneasy feelings in remote forests turned into years of intense...

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Originally released as Episode 509 on 08/27/24.

Deep in Oregon’s wild backcountry, one experienced outdoorsman began noticing a pattern he could no longer ignore. What started as uneasy feelings in remote forests turned into years of intense encounters involving rushed campsites, rocks thrown near tents, strange voices in the dark, massive tracks, and a towering figure seen at close range. From Oakridge to Diamond Peak Wilderness to the Three Sisters region, this episode follows a firsthand witness whose time in the woods gave him a perspective few people will ever have. Serious, grounded, and unforgettable, this is one of the most compelling Oregon encounter episodes yet.

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You're listening to bigfla Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron. In

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this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to bring

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you first hand encounters from people who say they've seen

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something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers to

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quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere,

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and each one leaves us with more questions than answers.

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These are the voices of the people who've lived it.

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So settle in because today you'll hear another account that

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just might change the way you see the woods forever.

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So stay with us.

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The following interview is an archival interview recorded back in

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twenty twenty four, So any health stuff that's talked about,

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don't worry, guys. Things are good now, all right. Enjoy

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The following remote interview happens in the region around Oakridge, Oregon,

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at a cabin out in the woods. That being said,

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the audio might be a bit different than what you're

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used to, but enjoy as this is the first time

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this individual has shared this information. There may be hot mics,

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mike issues, and other things that you notice in the background,

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but don't let that stop your enjoyment of this, and

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again thank you to Kevin for coming on the podcast.

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Enjoy and we're okay with Kevin first name only. Okay,

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I'm going to start with it. Kevin introduced me to

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his property, which is pretty far up in the woods. Kevin,

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thank you for inviting me out to your picnic table

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at your property. Is very nice out here. Your dog

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is running around. We've been tossing the ball too. He's

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pretty good at running around getting that. But do you

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mind Is there anything you can share about the area

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that we're in, just for the listeners to get a

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visual of what we're looking at.

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Yeah. Sure. Where we live here in Oregon, it's nestled

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in the west side of the Cascade Slopes and it

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has a lot of Native American history and a lot

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of settler history related to the Oregon Trail and different

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routes that we're trying to be discovered for easier access

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because everyone was heading to the Lamot Valley, which is

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where Eugene sits and all the bigger cities in Oregon.

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So basically in western Oregon, once you get out of

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the valley areas, you end up with all small world

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towns that might be ten fifteen to twenty miles apart

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and probably averaging anywhere from a thousand people maybe to

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three thousand or five thousand people. So a lot of small,

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spread out towns dispersed in a really large forest system.

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And so where we're at here, this is the Blama

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National Forest, one of the largest national forests in the

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United States. I mean, there's just a huge amount of

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roads and different ecosystems, you know. I mean you go

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from one thousand feet in elevation all the way up

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to ten thousand, three hundred and fifty eight feet at

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the top of South Sister Mountains, which is the pinnacle

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of Wilama National Force. And that's bordered on the eastern

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side by the Hush National Forest over their eastern Oregon

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in Bend area. But anyways, really lush area, really pretty area.

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And I spent decades out here, me and my wife,

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backpacking and exploring and really just just finding places away

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from people. And before I had children, my oldest daughter's nine,

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we always went camping. That's what we did. I worked

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fifty sixty hour weeks at shops in Eugene, and at

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the end of the work week, we'd have our packs

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packed and I'd cram them in the back of my

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ninety four jeep Cherokee, and we would oftentimes leave Friday

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night and drive for an hour and a half two

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hours to get up into the National Force and then

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hike into campsites just to spend as much time as

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we could out out in the woods. We both really

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enjoyed it, and it decompressed us. For me, growing up

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rurally in rural communities, on farms, on ranches. I spent

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most of my adolescents growing up in eastern Oregon outside

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of Pendleton on the Indian Humuntil Indian Reservation out there,

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and I worked for all the ranchers that were had

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big ranches and big farms nestled up against the slopes

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of the Blue Mountains out there, and just a beautiful area.

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And for me, I came from Florida. I moved up

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here when I was eleven from southwest Florida, just south

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of Fort Myers, and even down there my family we

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lived out pretty much out in the middle of nowhere.

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most of time, I probably was barefoot and shirtless, and

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when I was my boy's age now, which there are seven,

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me and my younger brother, we'd take the john boat

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out and we'd go hunt alligators and bring back little

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three foot four foot alligators and just spent our days exploring.

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And the funny thing is, now that I've gotten more

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familiar with miss Bigfoot phenomenon and had experiences myself, think

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about how remote I lived in Florida and my mom

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and dad got divorced at an early age show There's

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two different houses that we spent our time at, and

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my dad lived out and out in the middle of

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the big swamps. There's no houses around us for six

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or seven miles. And I never experienced anything in Florida,

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you know. And I know people say that there's a

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lot of activity on there, and I believe them.

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I believe them. I think that.

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There's a lot of people that have these experiences and

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they just don't automatically go to Bigfoot as the first explanation,

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which in my case for the experiences that I had,

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while most of these happened. Most of these happened, and

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I didn't even realize what was really behind it until

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years later, even decades later, on some of these and

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when you start thinking and putting it together and being like, ah,

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that explains what happened. And it was one that Finding

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Bigfoot show kicked off, and there's a lot of fans

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of that show, and we discussed my opinions on it,

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and I think it really mainstreamed the Bigfoot thing absolutely.

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You know, really brought it out there.

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But it was more entertainment and hooting and hollering and

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these microscopic noises that you hear in your TV you know,

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when the show's debut and they're like, here, that's a Sasquatch.

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It's a hard bill to sell, you know to people

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that never had experiences. But what I really did get

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out of that show was listening to people share their encounters.

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And after listening to several of the very first episodes

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of Finding Bigfoot, me and my wife both looked at

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each other and we're like, we started recounting all these

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experiences we had and we really like that explains exactly

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what we had happened. Yeah, with that all, I'll just

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jump into some of the experiences that I've had and

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I'll give as much detail as I can to paint

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the picture. And unless you for people, I've never been

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to the Pacific Northwest, you spent the last few days

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running around here, really just dipping your toes into the

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vastness that's out here. This is a rugged place. Nature

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rules out here for the most part. I mean you

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look at right now. I mean we're surrounded by wildfires,

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you know, and that's that's normal. I have my camper

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pack right now. I have all my important stuff in there,

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ready to go in case we have to leave. I've

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had to evacuate the last five years, and so it's

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just one of those things you prepare for. Reminds me

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of being in Florida prepared for hurricanes, you know. So,

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I mean nature's nature is still rules out here, and

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a lot of these places are. Even though there's roads

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going everywhere in this Lamba National Forest, there's just so

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much uncharted land. There's two thousand plus miles worth of

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road in this National Forest. You could spend decades trying

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to drive these roads. And I'm friends with a lot

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of third generation loggers up here, and even these guys

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haven't explored all the roads out here. It's just incredible

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how much room there is. I ran a backpacking business

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where I take people out on paid hikes and everything,

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and after getting really involved with backpacking myself and spending

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spending months outside literally every year, sleeping in the stars,

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finding the most remote corners of the Western Oregon Cascade

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Slope wilderness areas, and just spending weeks out in these

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quiet spots. We really got to know the area well.

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And my experiences with bigfoot really only started happening when

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I moved to Western Oregon, and once I made the

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realization of what was going on, like I said, sometimes

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ten years later plus on some of these experiences, it

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was kind of exciting and made me a little bit apprehensive,

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especially now that I have children, and so all my

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kids but you know, I have to seven year old

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boys that are twins, and I have a nine year

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old daughter, and we camp all the time. We go

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super remote. My camp trailer set up for boon Dog camping.

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We never go to campgrounds. We go thirty forty miles

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out and we'll stay there for as long as we

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can usually when we go camping, so usually it's three days,

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five days or whatever. So my kids know my stories,

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and I told my kids all my experiences more as

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a cautionary tale. I don't know if I don't think

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these things necessarily want to be your friends. I think

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they're out there. I don't think I don't think that

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they are prone to violence and disappearing you or murdering you.

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But with anything, especially large animals, and especially intelligent large animals,

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you gotta consider that's a possibility. And I think it's

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naive to go into the situation and think that all

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these things are your friends and they're just gonna going

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to do these things where they're knocking on wood and

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throwing rocks and charging your tent and stuff. Look at

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Timothy Treadwell and the bears.

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We talked about that.

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He spent decades with these bears, you know, and then

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moved out there and I don't know how many years

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he spent up there and Laska with those bears and

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finally came across the wrong bear and ate him and

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his girlfriend right there on camera. Pretty horrific. And I

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think that that could be the case with these animals too.

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And I think the more intelligent a creature is, the

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more likely you are to have personalities, and the more

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likely you are just come across a poor, an angry sasquatch.

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So anyways, my kids know about it. It's really just

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let them know that they're out there. We deal with

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cougar and bear all the time up here, and wolves

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and everything. That's not an issue. I just don't want them.

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If my kid ever went missing missing, the last thing

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I won't want to want to worry about is my

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mind would go to well, crap, like maybe a bigfoot

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got them, you know. So anyways, with that, I'll start

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some of my stories here, some thinking back to my encounters,

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and I listed them out here, and I got approximate

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due and I think for the most part, I'm just

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gonna I got them listed in the chronological order they happen.

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I don't know if I'm going to really mention the

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actual years of these happen. I'll give you the baseline

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unless you want me to throw it out there.

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If that's nothing that if you don't mind that, that

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might help.

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Sure.

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Like I said, all these experiences that I've had, except

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for later ones twenty fourteen on, we had these encounters

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and bigfoot wasn't on my radar. I mean, I've always

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heard the stories grown up here, but I've hunted. I

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hunted a bunch you know, deer, elk, and lots of

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bird hunting, and so I've heard stories about bigfoots, But

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through most of these encounters, it wasn't like I'm being

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accosted by a bigfoot. It was just kind of on

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a nerd situation and being around wild animals, I don't

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spooke easy. I've been around plenty of cougars and bears.

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I've been followed for a day with mountain lions, hiking

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up them through wilderness, and it's really just not an issue.

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You learn how to act around them, and you know

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they're there, so you never want to freak out, and

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you never want to freak out and run. And so

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with that being said, you know, so I moved to

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Eugene area from Pendleton when I was nineteen, and my

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wife went to University of Oregon and she was studying there.

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I was a farm boy out in Pendleton, eastern Oregon

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on the Until Indian Reservation, and after living in small

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towns my entire life and rural communities, my wife invited

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me to be a roommate with her and her other

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classmates over in Eugene.

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We were friends. I went to school with my wife.

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Her dad was my math teacher in high school, actually,

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you know, And so I moved in with her at

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Tux Village in Eugene, and when I got to Eugene,

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about two hundred thousand ish population in that area there,

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because Eugene is Springfielder right next week each other. Second

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largest metropolitan area in Oregon. Small for some of the

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East Coast stuff, but when I got here, it was

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exciting moving into a bigger city.

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I've never been in a big city.

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What Eugene might be considered small city for most people,

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but for me, it felt like a big city and

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it was exciting. So I spent we spent our first

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ten years, eight or nine years in Eugene every day

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just exploring everything we could. Started with the city and

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I explored all the parks and it was fun walking

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through the downtown areas with big buildings and everything was

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so busy in the hustle and bustle of it. And

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we started exploring outside of the city limits more and

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got in a lane county and we ended up in

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the mountains, and that's when I really got into backpacking

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over here. So in two thousand and eight we were

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well on our way to pretty much backpacking every chance

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we got. We just me and my wife. We went

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back back wintertime. It didn't matter. We went rain storms, snowstorms.

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So in two thousand and eight I got invited to

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go to Thanksgiving up and out story organ. My mom

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actually lives up in Warrington out there, which is sits

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more west of Astoria, I mean, a couple miles away

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from the beach, really pretty area. Probably most people recognize

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it because of the Meglar Bridge at Big Green Bridge

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that spans the Columbia River.

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There.

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That area's got a lot of history, a lot of

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old history. And so we drove to Astoria. I was

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in my wife's ninety six hont A cord and we

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got to the house where my mom lived, and my

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brother and my sister were there and they had kids.

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They had taken all the spare rooms in the house,

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and so we brought a tent just a case, which

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weren't we were actually looking forward to camp in. Anyways,

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we figured we would end up pitching our tent somewhere.

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My mom offered for us to pitch our tent in

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her yard, but we, like I said, we like to

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seek out those quieter places, and so me and my

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wife we decided to go find a little spot off

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of one of the main highways out there a mile

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or two off and just pitch a tent for a

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night or two and that's where we would stay. So

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we got up to Astoria, met with a family and

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it was later afternoon, hung out with them for a

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few hours. And in November the sun sets quite a

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bit earlier up here. Are you just starting to get

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into shorter days, winters coming and everything like that. And

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this is before cell phones and the communions. Having a

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phone you could just shake and get a flashlight on

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and stuff like that. So one thing I realized I

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forgot was my flashlights. And so we swung by the

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fred Myers in Warrington and on our way to go

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find a campsite, and I picked up a Coleman lantern

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propane lantern, and I'd never set one up. I was

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in boy Scouts, grown up and stuff, but they always

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had the mantles on them, and so I never had

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time myself un soil. We grabbed a lantern, grabbed one

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of those one pound propane canisters and threw it in

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the trunk with our camping gear, and we headed off

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to go find a spot to camp for a couple

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of days. We drove through Astoria, so overheading east now

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on Highway thirty, heading towards Sevenson and Rainier and all

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those little places that are right along the Columbia River there.

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And we drove twelve to fourteen miles east.

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Out of our story. And once you get out of

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a story, it turns into just logging country. A house

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here and there, sprinkled amongst the forest and everything, but

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pretty open, with a lot of little side roads that

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come off of it. So fourteen ish miles or so

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out of Astoria, we find a little road to the right.

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And I have tried to remember the name of that road,

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but I just I can't remember the exact name of it.

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And I've looked on the maps, and I found the

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general area. I couldn't pinpoint the road. But we found

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this little road, and it's getting dusk, you know, the

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sun has got maybe an hour worth of light left

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in it. And we find this little road, come off

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of it off of Highway thirty. Go a couple miles

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up this road and find this little four by four

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track some of the locals must wheel their trucks on

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and stuff like that drops sharply off this little gravel

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road that we turned onto.

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So I pulled the car around.

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Figure in there's going to be a wide spot, a

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camp spot somewhere in there. So pulled the car off

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the side of the road, grabbed our tents, and I

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didn't bring our backpack, so we were just carrying stuff

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under arms, you know.

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And so my wife had the ten.

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I had had some gallon jugs of water, the lantern

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still in the box, still in the box, and everything,

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and we hiked down this little trail and it comes

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to a little a t junction. You come down and

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then there's a junction and we went straight and it

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ended up in these big maple trees and there was

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a campsite under there. In fact, actually there was a

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whole campsite set up, and there there was multiple tents,

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picnic tables, camp chairs, and on the picnic table it

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had stuff set up what you see here. It had

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people's plates and there was some food, chips and stuff

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and bags. We got in there and everything was covered

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in leaves because it's full time, so the trees are

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dropping their leaves, and it didn't look like anyone had

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been in that camp for weeks. I mean, there was

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a good covering of leaves over everything, and it was

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kind of bizarre, you know.

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And.

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We looked at the situation. We thought it was odd,

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and we're like, who knows what the deal is? And

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so we just went back to that junction on that

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little four by four road, and then we took the

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other leg that came off of it.

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There.

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At that point in time, I've been carrying these bottles

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with gallon jugs, so I set them down in the

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middle of that little t shape junction.

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I'm like, well, let's just walk down.

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Here's see if we can't find a spot to put

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our little two person tent. And we walk two hundred

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feet down that road. And this road is surrounded by

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brushhuts six or seven feet tall, scotch broom, himalay and blackberries,

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a lot of scrub pretty typical two areas.

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That had been logged over a bunch of times. It just

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turns into a brushing mask.

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You couldn't walk through this stuff if you wanted to,

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you know, While walking down the trail, there was just

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a big enough spot, probably not much bigger than the

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footprint that this picnic table takes up.

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Clear it off the side of the road.

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There where some of some of the bushes that have

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gotten knocked down and we set the tent up there,

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and it's getting fairly dark now, and I'm like, I'm

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gonna get that lantern set up. So I unbox it

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out there and get the thing put together. I put

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the mantles on, and I didn't burn the mantles, and

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I didn't know you had to light the mantles and

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burn them in, so I just assembled it, put the

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propane canister on there, and lit it. The propane lantern

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lit up for about five seconds and it started burning

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the mantles down from the top, so it turned to ash,

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and now you have this heavy weight of the unburned mantle,

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and I just watched us both of those socks just disappeared,

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and what a little light we had disappeared at that

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point in time. And so at this point in time,

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it's it's dusk to the point to where you can

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still see, but it's getting dark, like you couldn't read

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a book getting that dark. And so I told my wife,

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I'm like, we're just gonna have to camp without the

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lights tonight.

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It's not a big deal.

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And I'm like, I'm gonna I told my wife, I'm like,

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I'm gonna head back to that junction and pick up

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our water jugs that I left there, and she said okay.

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She started setting up our sleep bags and stuff in

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the tent. So I headed back and I had my

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little dog with me, Nori, and she backpacked with such

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a good dog in the willness, super quiet, super calm dog.

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So we head back to get the.

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Water jugs and we're walking and Norri's falling right behind

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me like she always says she never runs in front

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of us. Broke her that for hiking on trails. And

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I'm getting closer to do these to these water jugs

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at this junction, and I can see them up ahead,

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sixty seventy feet up ahead, and as they get closer,

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my dog she kind of she kind of puffs up

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her scuff or her scruff on the back of her neck.

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I looked out at her, and she's been in the

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wilderness tons and round bears and cooars, and she's not

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a very reactive dog, and she kind of growls, and

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I thought it was odd and maybe that kind of

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put me on alert, and so I said, oh, she

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smells something. And so as I get closer to these

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water bottles, these gallon jugs, the bushes the brush on

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the other side. Right immediately ten feet behind where these

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jugs are sitting, that whole shrub line just starts shaking,

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I mean shaking so hard that leaves are falling off

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of them. And Nori goes to run up there and

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she's growling, and I called her back right away. She

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made it five feet from me, and I called her back,

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and I saw I'm sitting there looking at these jugs,

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and the bush is still shaking a little bit, and

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it stops, and I just decided I got this feeling

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like I don't think we need water tonight, so I

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just turned around. I left the jugs and made it

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back to the tent. My wife asked me widing to

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grab the rugs, and I'm like, I didn't want to

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tell her what happened, because I mean, it just was

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kind of an off putting feeling. I'm like, we'll just

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get them in the morning, you know. I mean, we

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had a little water bottle with us, so we stilled

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some water. You know what, we'll scram in the morning.

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I don't want I didn't want a home all the

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way down here. We get in the tent now and

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it's completely dark and we're setting up to go sleep,

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we lay down, and within five minutes laying down, we

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start hearing things moving through this thick brush. I mean

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it started to hear it two hundred feet away and

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stick snapping and wrestling, light wrestling here and there, and

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you know, I'm like, oh, you know, there's a lot

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of coyotes here, and there's bear and I guess cougars too.

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You know, we usually don't hear the cats, and I

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saw we hear this in my wife's like, goet, you

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hear that. I'm my guess, probably some animals moving around

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through here. And well, as we were talking about it,

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the noises got louder, and it got to the point

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to where it sounded like there were three or four

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truck sized things running through this brush and they'd run

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directly to our tent from multiple directions and they would

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stop twenty feet away and then you just hear the

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rush go crazy, you know, I mean as they ran

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back away. And this went on for thirty to forty

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five minutes, and they got so close. I mean, they

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were right outside our tent and me and my wife

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were laying there and just looking at each other and.

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What do you think it is?

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I'm like, I'm probably coyotes or something like that. And

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it got pretty intense, it got pretty loud. It's to

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that point to where if you've ever been intent and

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you hear something out in the middle of the woods,

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you get that, I'm just gonna lay here and not

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move a deal. And so we just pretty much laid

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there and listened to it. I was pretty nervous about it.

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It was definitely aggressive. If animals are doing that tea

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in the woods, it definitely brings their attention to it.

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And this went on, and I mean it was pretty

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nervous when these things would run through the bushes to us.

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There was no going around brush, and they just ran

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right through it like a truck. And after forty five

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minutes the noises died down, and a couple hours later

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we ended up falling asleep and I woke up in

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the morning, beautiful morning, and got out of the tent

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and went for a little walk. And there's this big

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line lane path that leads all the way up to

464
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the east side of the river and that connects up

465
00:22:04.960 --> 00:22:06.640
to Rainier and I know you've done some stories about

466
00:22:06.680 --> 00:22:09.000
rain Air up there, and it was just a really

467
00:22:09.039 --> 00:22:11.880
odd experience, and this is this stuff that me and

468
00:22:11.880 --> 00:22:16.160
my wife experience over the decades backpacking and hiking. And

469
00:22:16.200 --> 00:22:19.519
like I said, it wasn't until the Finding Bigfoot show

470
00:22:19.599 --> 00:22:22.000
came on that we really started putting together what happened.

471
00:22:22.039 --> 00:22:24.160
And it was a mix.

472
00:22:24.279 --> 00:22:26.319
It was actually exciting, like actually getting an answer for

473
00:22:26.359 --> 00:22:28.599
what it was because it explained everything perfectly. Listen to

474
00:22:28.920 --> 00:22:32.880
people's encounter stories on the East Coast. They were describing

475
00:22:32.880 --> 00:22:34.920
the same stuff that we had happened, and the exact

476
00:22:34.960 --> 00:22:38.200
same stuff, and I mean, there's just no coincidence of

477
00:22:38.240 --> 00:22:40.559
what it could be. And so we put it together

478
00:22:41.359 --> 00:22:43.720
what it was, and we started thinking about all these

479
00:22:43.759 --> 00:22:45.839
experiences we've had in years past, and so I made

480
00:22:45.839 --> 00:22:48.519
a little list of some of the stuff I had happened,

481
00:22:48.559 --> 00:22:50.720
you know. And so, like I said, we backpacked every

482
00:22:50.759 --> 00:22:52.680
chance we could get, and we did that pretty much

483
00:22:52.680 --> 00:22:55.400
till we moved out here eleven years ago. And when

484
00:22:55.480 --> 00:22:57.680
we moved in here, had a kid our first year

485
00:22:57.680 --> 00:23:00.119
in here, and now I run a business and I

486
00:23:00.119 --> 00:23:01.680
don't have as much time to do the backpacking that

487
00:23:01.720 --> 00:23:03.319
I used to do. And two thousand and nine, I

488
00:23:03.400 --> 00:23:07.240
still live in Eugene. And it was a weekend, so

489
00:23:07.279 --> 00:23:09.720
we took our dogs I too at that time, Huey

490
00:23:09.720 --> 00:23:12.160
and Nori, and we decided to head to the Coast

491
00:23:12.240 --> 00:23:15.039
Range to just find a spot out of the way,

492
00:23:15.119 --> 00:23:16.279
find a little swim and hole in one.

493
00:23:16.200 --> 00:23:16.960
Of the creeks up there.

494
00:23:16.960 --> 00:23:19.720
And this is the area is Wolf Mountain, which is

495
00:23:19.759 --> 00:23:23.480
west of Benita, and the Coast Range is super rugged.

496
00:23:23.519 --> 00:23:25.200
They don't have the big mountains that the Cascades have,

497
00:23:25.279 --> 00:23:27.039
but you're either going up or down. You're either the

498
00:23:27.079 --> 00:23:28.720
bottom of the valley or you're on top of it,

499
00:23:28.759 --> 00:23:31.200
and that's how the roads go too. We end up

500
00:23:31.240 --> 00:23:35.079
finding this section of land. It was actually Warehouser land

501
00:23:35.079 --> 00:23:36.880
and they have a gate on it and they say

502
00:23:36.880 --> 00:23:39.480
private property, no stress passing, it's more for hunters and stuff,

503
00:23:39.599 --> 00:23:43.200
And so we, being younger and more rebellious, we bypass

504
00:23:43.240 --> 00:23:45.279
the gate. We just went around it and we had

505
00:23:45.720 --> 00:23:47.319
a lunch pack and we were going to find a

506
00:23:47.319 --> 00:23:49.640
little creek it's in the Clay Creek area, and find

507
00:23:49.640 --> 00:23:51.359
a little swimming hole and let the dogs play and

508
00:23:51.400 --> 00:23:53.440
just spend the afternoon out there. And so we hike

509
00:23:53.519 --> 00:23:56.440
in a couple of miles and end up in at

510
00:23:56.440 --> 00:23:58.079
the bottom of this valley where there's a nice creek,

511
00:23:58.119 --> 00:24:01.759
a little swim and hole, and a recent clearcut that

512
00:24:01.799 --> 00:24:04.519
had been done maybe a year prior, you know, so

513
00:24:04.640 --> 00:24:06.279
all the big trees were cut down. It was probably

514
00:24:06.279 --> 00:24:09.319
a one hundred acre clearcut, and the clear cut went

515
00:24:09.400 --> 00:24:13.079
straight up this really steep ridge, and I wanted to

516
00:24:13.160 --> 00:24:15.799
get to the top of this ridge to see the view. Well,

517
00:24:15.920 --> 00:24:19.039
this clearcut is flanked by very large trees, and so

518
00:24:19.160 --> 00:24:21.400
when you take out these sections of these big trees,

519
00:24:21.559 --> 00:24:22.720
it opens the forest up.

520
00:24:22.960 --> 00:24:24.039
It's dark in the forest.

521
00:24:24.160 --> 00:24:25.960
It was a bright sunny day, but you look into

522
00:24:25.960 --> 00:24:27.839
the forest, you couldn't see more than twenty thirty feet

523
00:24:27.880 --> 00:24:29.480
into it. I just got so dark in there, and

524
00:24:29.559 --> 00:24:32.000
that contrast between the bright light and the dark forest,

525
00:24:32.000 --> 00:24:32.799
it makes it impossible.

526
00:24:32.799 --> 00:24:33.160
As hand.

527
00:24:33.599 --> 00:24:36.240
While we're stump jumping climbing up this really steep hill

528
00:24:36.920 --> 00:24:38.839
to get up to the top, and I make it

529
00:24:38.880 --> 00:24:40.720
about three cours away up. My wife's a couple hundred

530
00:24:40.720 --> 00:24:43.480
feet behind me. She always a slower hiker. And I

531
00:24:43.519 --> 00:24:45.680
started getting this feeling, the same feeling I got when

532
00:24:45.720 --> 00:24:47.960
I was camped outside of Astoria. There when I abandoned

533
00:24:47.960 --> 00:24:51.160
the water jugs, I just got this feeling a little.

534
00:24:51.000 --> 00:24:52.720
Uneasy that I was being watched.

535
00:24:52.759 --> 00:24:55.559
I hadn't heard anything yet, and I put it aside

536
00:24:55.839 --> 00:24:59.079
and just continued hiking up the trail. While I made

537
00:24:59.079 --> 00:25:00.640
it another fifty feet up the steep slope, and you

538
00:25:00.680 --> 00:25:03.519
got to weave through this mess of slash and stomp,

539
00:25:03.559 --> 00:25:05.480
so it's hard hiking. And as I was making my

540
00:25:05.480 --> 00:25:08.559
way up the hill, I hear I almost sounded like

541
00:25:08.559 --> 00:25:10.839
a gun child, a dry chunk of tree, not even

542
00:25:10.880 --> 00:25:14.640
a branch, getting snap crack, and it's in that big

543
00:25:14.680 --> 00:25:16.480
force that's flanking us on either side. It's probably a

544
00:25:16.559 --> 00:25:18.920
hundred yards to each edge of this, maybe one hundred

545
00:25:18.920 --> 00:25:21.160
and fifty yards. And I'm like, oh, I've heard it.

546
00:25:21.240 --> 00:25:23.200
Sounded like a bear moving through the woods. They' pretty clumsy,

547
00:25:23.200 --> 00:25:24.759
they'll step on branches and stuff. I'm like, oh, there's

548
00:25:24.759 --> 00:25:26.960
a bear up there. They don't worry me. I've hunted

549
00:25:27.000 --> 00:25:28.920
them and been around them, and I'm not too worried

550
00:25:28.960 --> 00:25:31.160
about the bears. And I'm like, that's what it was.

551
00:25:31.200 --> 00:25:32.640
That's a feeling, not a guy. So I rode off

552
00:25:32.680 --> 00:25:37.119
the sap. I continued up and stick started snapping and breaking.

553
00:25:37.200 --> 00:25:39.440
A big tree, knocks, whack, on the side of trees,

554
00:25:39.519 --> 00:25:41.559
and it was all to the right of me, and

555
00:25:42.880 --> 00:25:44.759
like I said, you look into this force and it's

556
00:25:44.759 --> 00:25:48.839
so dark, but I could see there was there was

557
00:25:49.839 --> 00:25:52.119
almost like shadows moving back there. I could see that

558
00:25:52.160 --> 00:25:55.279
there was something in there, and it made me really uneasy.

559
00:25:55.279 --> 00:25:57.519
And at this point, I'm only fifty yards from the

560
00:25:57.559 --> 00:25:59.240
top of the ridge that I want to get up

561
00:25:59.240 --> 00:26:02.839
on to get my vantage point. I stopped there and

562
00:26:03.359 --> 00:26:08.440
I got even more uneasy. And it's just one of

563
00:26:08.440 --> 00:26:10.440
those situations. I always followed my gut when I'm in

564
00:26:10.480 --> 00:26:13.200
the woods, I always have and I just felt really uneasy,

565
00:26:13.759 --> 00:26:15.759
and it was a turnaround now kind of a thing,

566
00:26:16.079 --> 00:26:17.720
and I didn't want to stand where I was standing,

567
00:26:18.200 --> 00:26:20.480
and so I turned around and met back up with

568
00:26:20.519 --> 00:26:22.039
my wife. She was a little bit lower down the hill,

569
00:26:22.079 --> 00:26:23.599
and I'm like, oh, just get some so rough and

570
00:26:23.640 --> 00:26:25.759
brushy up there probably wouldn't be much of you.

571
00:26:25.839 --> 00:26:27.240
I'm like, let's just head back down.

572
00:26:27.319 --> 00:26:29.400
And my wife had heard the commotion in the woods

573
00:26:29.400 --> 00:26:30.359
Siel and I'm like, oh, I think there's a bear

574
00:26:30.400 --> 00:26:31.720
up there. Anyways, I'm like, let's just head down to

575
00:26:31.759 --> 00:26:34.000
the creek and enjoy ourself there. So we went back

576
00:26:34.000 --> 00:26:36.640
down to the creek and spent the rest of the day,

577
00:26:36.759 --> 00:26:38.759
probably three hundred yards away from where I was at

578
00:26:38.759 --> 00:26:41.359
the top of that ridge, just enjoying herself. Nothing else

579
00:26:41.359 --> 00:26:43.640
happened that day, but it was the first time that

580
00:26:43.680 --> 00:26:45.599
I really started more paying attention to that, just that

581
00:26:45.759 --> 00:26:48.559
really off putting turnaround. Now you know, your hair is

582
00:26:48.599 --> 00:26:49.880
up on the back of your neck kind of deal.

583
00:26:49.960 --> 00:26:52.680
And I had never experienced that hunting or anything, you know,

584
00:26:52.839 --> 00:26:55.160
being around mountain lions and bears and stuff like that.

585
00:26:55.200 --> 00:26:57.519
I mean, you're always on edge when you see them,

586
00:26:57.519 --> 00:27:00.000
but it's not terrifying. And that was the borderline terrify.

587
00:27:00.319 --> 00:27:02.160
So I spent a restaurant day there, no big deal,

588
00:27:02.200 --> 00:27:06.279
but nothing else happened. And so the next experience I

589
00:27:06.319 --> 00:27:10.279
had was actually later that year. So I was in

590
00:27:10.279 --> 00:27:13.920
my early twenties and Eugene has a hippie influence and

591
00:27:15.240 --> 00:27:19.559
I was getto that scene, and so I was. I

592
00:27:19.599 --> 00:27:23.319
did small grows years prior to that, little closet grows

593
00:27:23.359 --> 00:27:26.039
and stuff like that, and like most people did in Oregon,

594
00:27:26.519 --> 00:27:30.680
pot was still highly illegal felony for any of it.

595
00:27:30.880 --> 00:27:32.880
And my roommate that I was living with at the time,

596
00:27:33.559 --> 00:27:38.519
we decided and that year to do a grow out

597
00:27:38.519 --> 00:27:40.599
in the forest, and I'm like, we want to pick

598
00:27:40.640 --> 00:27:45.000
a spot that's as remote as possible but has access

599
00:27:45.039 --> 00:27:47.440
to where we can get to it and still be

600
00:27:47.480 --> 00:27:49.319
able to hike in and not spend five hours hiking

601
00:27:49.319 --> 00:27:50.920
into this place, you know, because I mean you have

602
00:27:50.960 --> 00:27:53.039
to carry the plants up there. We grew from clones

603
00:27:53.200 --> 00:27:55.039
before we planted them, so the plants were already two

604
00:27:55.039 --> 00:27:56.880
feet tall before we put them in the ground and

605
00:27:57.079 --> 00:27:59.680
threw in this group. So I think we had sixty

606
00:27:59.720 --> 00:28:02.400
years many little plants, and it was an industrial operation.

607
00:28:02.480 --> 00:28:05.839
It was just us kids messing around have fun. I

608
00:28:05.880 --> 00:28:08.039
don't think we were going to make millions off of

609
00:28:08.039 --> 00:28:10.160
this stuff, which it was never the case. So we

610
00:28:10.200 --> 00:28:12.960
find this spot and Google Maps really was a new

611
00:28:12.960 --> 00:28:15.599
thing than on, so it was pretty unbelievable to be

612
00:28:15.640 --> 00:28:18.279
able to pull up on your computers. I think my

613
00:28:18.319 --> 00:28:21.079
computer's still running Windows ninety eight or ninety five or

614
00:28:21.079 --> 00:28:22.599
something like that at that time, pull up these maps

615
00:28:22.599 --> 00:28:26.160
and be able to get these satellite overlays of these areas.

616
00:28:26.160 --> 00:28:28.480
And that's what I used to pick the spot where

617
00:28:28.480 --> 00:28:31.400
we end up growing this year. And I earmarked a

618
00:28:31.440 --> 00:28:35.559
couple sites that were super remote. They were nestling up

619
00:28:35.599 --> 00:28:38.000
into the west slopes of the Cascades. They weren't super

620
00:28:38.039 --> 00:28:39.480
high elevation because you don't want to get too much

621
00:28:39.480 --> 00:28:42.000
elevation because you need to get warmer weather in the fall.

622
00:28:42.000 --> 00:28:43.720
If you get too high, you're going to froze out

623
00:28:43.720 --> 00:28:46.519
before your plants finish, you know. And so we go

624
00:28:46.680 --> 00:28:51.359
up there that early spring to scout spots to put

625
00:28:51.400 --> 00:28:53.119
our plants on. So I go up with my wife

626
00:28:53.200 --> 00:28:56.559
and my roommate Terry, and we go to check out

627
00:28:56.599 --> 00:28:58.599
this first spot, and it's about three quarters of a

628
00:28:58.680 --> 00:29:02.200
mile of a brushwhack off of these logging roads that

629
00:29:02.240 --> 00:29:04.480
you drive for twelve or fourteen miles, and they're so brushy,

630
00:29:04.519 --> 00:29:07.519
brushes dragging out inside of your vehicle while you're doing it,

631
00:29:07.960 --> 00:29:09.880
you know. And so we get to the spot where

632
00:29:09.880 --> 00:29:12.599
I marked it, and this is before GPS and everything,

633
00:29:12.680 --> 00:29:15.119
so we always just navigate it with map and compass,

634
00:29:15.319 --> 00:29:17.720
and the GPS units they had then were expensive and

635
00:29:18.079 --> 00:29:21.880
fairly clunky, gray screen, none of that nice overlay, like

636
00:29:21.960 --> 00:29:23.400
not having your tablet out in the woods like it

637
00:29:23.440 --> 00:29:26.640
is now, you know. And so we hike into this

638
00:29:26.720 --> 00:29:30.160
first spot that I had marked and three quarter mile

639
00:29:30.279 --> 00:29:32.640
hike in kind of pick on our way through through

640
00:29:32.799 --> 00:29:34.720
this forest area. They have been logged several times over.

641
00:29:34.759 --> 00:29:36.559
Every time they log, they plant three trees for every

642
00:29:36.559 --> 00:29:38.480
tree they cut. So that process, if you repeat it

643
00:29:38.480 --> 00:29:41.680
over several times, you can imagine how dense the trees

644
00:29:41.720 --> 00:29:44.400
get after they keep on replanning three to one on

645
00:29:44.400 --> 00:29:46.720
the cutting, so that stuff's super dense. And I'm heading

646
00:29:46.759 --> 00:29:48.839
for this open spot that I saw in satellite. It

647
00:29:48.839 --> 00:29:51.599
was probably a half acre in between all this old

648
00:29:51.920 --> 00:29:53.839
or this new reproud, which is what they call the

649
00:29:53.839 --> 00:29:57.079
trees that they plan after they log, and we get

650
00:29:57.119 --> 00:29:59.480
up into the spot finally atakes i don't know, forty

651
00:29:59.480 --> 00:30:01.279
five minutes a bust and brush to get up there,

652
00:30:01.640 --> 00:30:03.599
and it's actually a perfect spot to grow. I had

653
00:30:03.640 --> 00:30:05.759
a little spring that popped up in the middle, really brushy,

654
00:30:05.880 --> 00:30:07.799
some BlackBerry up in the middle of it that had

655
00:30:07.880 --> 00:30:11.519
enough room to where we would get sunlight, enough sun

656
00:30:11.599 --> 00:30:13.640
light to do what we want to do. As we

657
00:30:13.680 --> 00:30:16.319
got into this clearing, I got that feeling again, same

658
00:30:16.319 --> 00:30:17.960
feeling I got when I was over in a Wolf Mountain,

659
00:30:18.000 --> 00:30:20.319
and the same feeling I got out outside of Astoria

660
00:30:21.039 --> 00:30:25.039
that the really uneasy like you're being watched and really

661
00:30:25.079 --> 00:30:28.039
just very uncomfortable, like you wouldn't want to you wouldn't

662
00:30:28.039 --> 00:30:29.960
want to spend any mountain time up there with that feeling.

663
00:30:30.319 --> 00:30:34.759
And so we scout around it and we brought a lunch.

664
00:30:34.799 --> 00:30:36.880
We were planning eating a lunch out there, and I

665
00:30:36.920 --> 00:30:38.759
was talking to Terry about the spot and was like, yeah,

666
00:30:38.759 --> 00:30:39.759
I like the spot.

667
00:30:40.279 --> 00:30:41.079
Big for society.

668
00:30:41.079 --> 00:30:42.000
Who will be right back?

669
00:30:42.039 --> 00:31:00.559
After these messages, I didn't say anything to my wife

670
00:31:01.160 --> 00:31:02.640
or my buddy that was with me about how I

671
00:31:02.680 --> 00:31:03.759
was feeling about the spot.

672
00:31:03.960 --> 00:31:05.160
We decided not to eat our lunch air.

673
00:31:05.799 --> 00:31:07.880
We spent maybe six or seven minutes in this place

674
00:31:08.039 --> 00:31:10.920
before we decided to hike back to the rig. Well,

675
00:31:10.960 --> 00:31:13.079
we made it back to the rig, and I asked

676
00:31:13.119 --> 00:31:16.039
my buddy, I'm like, what do you think about this spot?

677
00:31:16.160 --> 00:31:19.960
And he says, well, he's like, the spot's great, he said,

678
00:31:20.000 --> 00:31:23.039
but I had a horrible feeling going in there, he said,

679
00:31:23.160 --> 00:31:25.759
he said, it is super uncomfortable. My wife said the

680
00:31:25.759 --> 00:31:29.799
same thing, and I told him told them how I

681
00:31:29.799 --> 00:31:31.119
felt about it. I'm like, well, I had the same

682
00:31:31.119 --> 00:31:33.400
thing happened. I was just very uncomfortable, and that walk

683
00:31:33.559 --> 00:31:36.759
back out was worse than anything, just because it was

684
00:31:36.759 --> 00:31:37.160
so thick.

685
00:31:37.440 --> 00:31:39.200
You couldn't move faster through this stuff. You know.

686
00:31:39.319 --> 00:31:41.839
We didn't hear anything or see anything on that trip,

687
00:31:42.240 --> 00:31:44.240
but we decided not to grow at that spot. So

688
00:31:44.319 --> 00:31:46.799
we got back in the rig, drove up the road

689
00:31:46.880 --> 00:31:50.079
another four or five miles, so where these logging rows

690
00:31:50.079 --> 00:31:52.599
really start petering out. And I had another spot marked

691
00:31:52.839 --> 00:31:54.680
and we parked the car.

692
00:31:55.440 --> 00:31:55.720
We do.

693
00:31:56.079 --> 00:31:59.279
This spot's about a quarter mile off the road, and

694
00:31:59.319 --> 00:32:01.279
so we bush a way to it. And this spot

695
00:32:01.440 --> 00:32:04.839
is up on ridges and the hillsides between the ridge

696
00:32:04.839 --> 00:32:08.880
and the valleys, and I mean they're probably fifty degree slopes,

697
00:32:09.200 --> 00:32:11.400
really steep, so when you're climbing up this you're rabbing

698
00:32:11.559 --> 00:32:13.839
trees and branches. And we're heading to this other open

699
00:32:14.279 --> 00:32:16.880
spot that we thought might be a good place, right

700
00:32:16.920 --> 00:32:18.799
next to a little creek. We get up there and

701
00:32:18.839 --> 00:32:21.359
find that there's these little terraces where the hillside slumped

702
00:32:21.400 --> 00:32:23.799
over the years, these little terrace spots that are pretty flat,

703
00:32:24.039 --> 00:32:25.880
and that's the open spots that I was seeing on

704
00:32:25.920 --> 00:32:27.599
the map, and there's about five or six of them.

705
00:32:27.839 --> 00:32:30.160
They continue down the hill. The creek kind of followed them.

706
00:32:30.240 --> 00:32:31.759
I mean it was a perfect spot. And I told

707
00:32:31.759 --> 00:32:33.839
my buddy, I'm like, this is a spot and no

708
00:32:33.920 --> 00:32:36.559
off putting feelings or anything like that on that earlier

709
00:32:36.640 --> 00:32:38.920
hike we did in that day, we just no one

710
00:32:38.920 --> 00:32:41.759
talked about it, and all the uneasiness seemed to disappear.

711
00:32:41.839 --> 00:32:43.680
I'm like, Oh, this is gonna be the spot. So

712
00:32:43.839 --> 00:32:46.400
the next week I organized a couple of my buddies

713
00:32:46.440 --> 00:32:48.240
to help us get our supplies up there.

714
00:32:48.079 --> 00:32:50.240
And.

715
00:32:50.759 --> 00:32:52.880
We got all the stuff up there, all of our

716
00:32:52.920 --> 00:32:55.359
plants and all of our supplies we're going to need

717
00:32:55.640 --> 00:32:58.400
throughout the year. And our schedule was in the summertime.

718
00:32:58.680 --> 00:33:01.400
Every other week on front we would leave Eugene at

719
00:33:01.400 --> 00:33:04.319
about eleven o'clock and we'd drive up to this area,

720
00:33:04.319 --> 00:33:07.519
which was in the Lane County Lynn County line up there.

721
00:33:07.559 --> 00:33:10.519
So it took us about an hour to an hour

722
00:33:10.559 --> 00:33:12.680
and twenty minutes to get up drive up to the spot,

723
00:33:12.720 --> 00:33:15.440
and then it was another We always parked about a

724
00:33:15.480 --> 00:33:17.880
mile and a half away from where the spot was,

725
00:33:17.920 --> 00:33:19.279
even though it was only quarter mile off the road.

726
00:33:19.279 --> 00:33:20.720
We don't want to park right below it once so

727
00:33:20.799 --> 00:33:22.440
we would park and then do about a mile and

728
00:33:22.440 --> 00:33:24.880
a half walk in. And so it's after midnight. And

729
00:33:25.559 --> 00:33:27.880
the stipulation I had for doing this was one, we

730
00:33:27.960 --> 00:33:29.359
never took any guns with us, you know it.

731
00:33:29.480 --> 00:33:31.599
One I didn't want that to be part of it.

732
00:33:31.680 --> 00:33:33.400
And two, like I said back in the day, you

733
00:33:33.440 --> 00:33:36.000
got caught doing the stuff, that's just an extra felony

734
00:33:36.039 --> 00:33:38.519
thrown on top of it. And so we would go

735
00:33:38.640 --> 00:33:40.480
up and hike into the spot and we would do

736
00:33:41.000 --> 00:33:44.599
our pruning and our watering and fertilizing and stuff like that,

737
00:33:44.720 --> 00:33:47.279
and spend a few hours up and up in the

738
00:33:47.319 --> 00:33:48.680
spot in the middle of the night doing it. We'd

739
00:33:48.720 --> 00:33:51.839
usually come out about about four o'clock or so in

740
00:33:51.880 --> 00:33:54.599
the morning back to the rig. So as we're doing

741
00:33:54.599 --> 00:33:57.480
this through the summer, we started having some strange experiences

742
00:33:57.559 --> 00:34:02.359
up there, and we heard the sound of car doors slamming,

743
00:34:02.880 --> 00:34:05.599
just boom, and it only sounded like they were one

744
00:34:05.680 --> 00:34:07.319
hundred feet away. But there's just no way, there's no

745
00:34:07.359 --> 00:34:09.639
cars up there. We walked the roads to this spot,

746
00:34:09.639 --> 00:34:11.039
and the spot's at the end of Denon Road, and

747
00:34:11.039 --> 00:34:13.920
there's no roads within besides someone we came in on.

748
00:34:13.960 --> 00:34:17.440
There's no roads within three quarters to a mile away

749
00:34:17.480 --> 00:34:18.960
from there, and those roads are so brush anyways, no

750
00:34:19.000 --> 00:34:20.719
one's gonna be out there in the middle of the night.

751
00:34:20.760 --> 00:34:24.840
So we'd hear these car doors slam, and we would

752
00:34:24.840 --> 00:34:29.960
hear what almost sounded like gunshots occasionally, but they weren't

753
00:34:29.960 --> 00:34:32.960
a sharp I mean, it would just be a loud crack,

754
00:34:33.119 --> 00:34:35.159
you know. I mean maybe you know, five hundred and

755
00:34:35.159 --> 00:34:37.800
six hundred feet away. And I mean me and Terry

756
00:34:37.840 --> 00:34:40.320
discussed it, and our rule was if we ever found

757
00:34:40.559 --> 00:34:42.559
that anyone had gotten in there, we get found out,

758
00:34:42.679 --> 00:34:45.199
you just abandon the site and you never come back.

759
00:34:45.719 --> 00:34:48.760
And so we just dealt with that through the whole summer,

760
00:34:49.000 --> 00:34:50.840
you know. And I mean the car door thing was

761
00:34:50.960 --> 00:34:53.800
the weirdest. It just sounded like a newer car, not

762
00:34:53.880 --> 00:34:55.679
like not like an eighty square body Chevy. I mean

763
00:34:55.760 --> 00:34:57.559
like a newer car where the doors closed and there's

764
00:34:57.559 --> 00:34:59.920
no rattle, and you get that loud who as it closes,

765
00:35:00.320 --> 00:35:03.880
just tons of that. And my buddy Terry was joker rising,

766
00:35:03.920 --> 00:35:06.400
he's maybe maybe it's haunted up here. And we always

767
00:35:06.440 --> 00:35:09.360
had a chuckle about it, you know. And so later

768
00:35:09.400 --> 00:35:13.679
in the year, in late September going on October, we

769
00:35:13.719 --> 00:35:16.400
harvested at the as far into October as we can

770
00:35:16.440 --> 00:35:18.159
get it before the frost kicked us out of there.

771
00:35:18.199 --> 00:35:21.000
We started going every week and doing our late night prunings,

772
00:35:21.920 --> 00:35:26.039
and it was our last weekend that we were going

773
00:35:26.079 --> 00:35:27.840
up there to do our maintenance before we come back

774
00:35:27.840 --> 00:35:32.199
and harvest our our little crops, which they the plants,

775
00:35:32.199 --> 00:35:34.440
did not do good. They were tall, they were big plants,

776
00:35:34.480 --> 00:35:36.360
ten feet tall, nine feet tall, but they were so

777
00:35:36.400 --> 00:35:39.480
spindily growing in that clay soil, and we got we

778
00:35:39.599 --> 00:35:41.519
got some stuff off of them, but it wasn't anything

779
00:35:41.519 --> 00:35:46.800
you write home about until our inniverse season there. A

780
00:35:46.880 --> 00:35:48.599
week before we decided to harvest, we go up to

781
00:35:48.599 --> 00:35:50.800
do our normal deal, get them pruned up and cleaned up,

782
00:35:50.840 --> 00:35:53.719
ready to go to take back and haul our bounty

783
00:35:53.840 --> 00:35:57.079
back home. After a long summer of growing these things.

784
00:35:57.199 --> 00:35:59.440
We were pretty excited about it, and so we get

785
00:35:59.519 --> 00:36:02.639
up there and we do our pruning and all of

786
00:36:02.639 --> 00:36:04.119
our stuff that we're doing. I'm up in the upper

787
00:36:04.119 --> 00:36:06.719
plot carries in one of the lower plots down there,

788
00:36:06.760 --> 00:36:09.719
and it's probably one hundred and fifty feet separated, I mean,

789
00:36:09.760 --> 00:36:11.480
down this incredibly steep slope and once you come off

790
00:36:11.480 --> 00:36:13.480
those terrace sections, you're going down to your side, footing

791
00:36:13.519 --> 00:36:15.000
it on the hills and to get to the next

792
00:36:15.039 --> 00:36:17.280
one while I'm stashing the stuff up at the very

793
00:36:17.280 --> 00:36:20.400
top plot. Oh and I should mention I forgot to mention.

794
00:36:20.559 --> 00:36:23.280
We had week a couple weeks prior to that, I

795
00:36:23.400 --> 00:36:25.159
coming up there on the top plot and there's probably

796
00:36:25.320 --> 00:36:27.719
twenty plants or so on the top plot, and three

797
00:36:27.840 --> 00:36:29.320
or four of them had been ripped out of the

798
00:36:29.360 --> 00:36:31.480
ground and thrown.

799
00:36:31.239 --> 00:36:32.239
Up into the trees.

800
00:36:32.320 --> 00:36:34.239
Really, you know, I mean fifteen twenty feet up in

801
00:36:34.239 --> 00:36:35.920
the tree. There's this whole plant sitting there. And we

802
00:36:35.960 --> 00:36:38.400
saw some elk sign and growing up on ranches. I

803
00:36:38.400 --> 00:36:41.119
watched horses rab plants and shake them and throw them.

804
00:36:41.159 --> 00:36:42.559
I was just like, we might have some elk in

805
00:36:42.599 --> 00:36:46.000
here picking on this stuff. And we found it odd.

806
00:36:46.000 --> 00:36:48.840
We actually discussed actually abandon in it because of that.

807
00:36:48.880 --> 00:36:51.320
We're like, man, maybe someone's in here, maybe a hundred

808
00:36:51.320 --> 00:36:53.920
found it, and maybe we should just call it quits

809
00:36:53.920 --> 00:36:56.320
and not come back. And so anyways, our last week,

810
00:36:56.360 --> 00:37:00.639
there I'm up there top plot, sashing my stuff underneath

811
00:37:00.679 --> 00:37:03.360
this Douglas fir tree, the watering containers and stuff like that.

812
00:37:03.400 --> 00:37:05.239
So it couldn't be spots. They use helicopters back then.

813
00:37:05.239 --> 00:37:07.800
They were flying helicopters all over the place, and as

814
00:37:07.800 --> 00:37:11.679
on stash and this the stuff the creeks to my

815
00:37:11.719 --> 00:37:14.519
back here and there's a slight open area, probably about

816
00:37:14.639 --> 00:37:16.400
to the edge of where it drops off right there,

817
00:37:17.000 --> 00:37:21.000
and I see out of my perfield is really dark

818
00:37:21.159 --> 00:37:23.239
black shadow just zoomed by.

819
00:37:23.239 --> 00:37:25.239
I mean, no brush noise or anything like that. Just

820
00:37:25.440 --> 00:37:26.039
caught my attention.

821
00:37:26.159 --> 00:37:28.719
I looked over there, and I should also note that

822
00:37:29.360 --> 00:37:32.360
I are flashlights that we used. We didn't use really

823
00:37:32.360 --> 00:37:34.840
bright flashlights, you know, for obvious reasons, you know. So

824
00:37:34.960 --> 00:37:38.639
I had LED headlamps just started coming out. I don't

825
00:37:38.639 --> 00:37:41.159
know if you ever bought the first generation LED headlamps.

826
00:37:41.920 --> 00:37:46.599
They were blue, bluish purplish colored, and you couldn't see.

827
00:37:47.320 --> 00:37:49.880
You couldn't see ten feet on a nice night with

828
00:37:49.960 --> 00:37:51.559
those things. It was enough light to work in. But

829
00:37:51.599 --> 00:37:53.679
and plus that wavelength too, I mean, it just really

830
00:37:54.079 --> 00:37:57.960
messed with your debt perception. You can't see. It drowns

831
00:37:57.960 --> 00:38:00.480
out some of the colors and textures of things. So anyways,

832
00:38:00.480 --> 00:38:04.360
I see this, the shadow move, and it gets my attention.

833
00:38:04.639 --> 00:38:06.360
And so I sat there for a couple of minutes listening,

834
00:38:06.400 --> 00:38:07.800
and I didn't hear anything, and so I was like, oh,

835
00:38:07.800 --> 00:38:10.320
maybe it's and I'll moving through there really quick so much,

836
00:38:10.360 --> 00:38:12.039
which I mean it would have made a lot of

837
00:38:12.079 --> 00:38:12.840
noise if his nolk.

838
00:38:12.880 --> 00:38:14.840
But that's the explanation. I came up with a time.

839
00:38:14.880 --> 00:38:18.320
So packed the stuff up and put my backpack on,

840
00:38:19.079 --> 00:38:22.920
clicked on my crappy ARII headlamp, and went down to

841
00:38:24.000 --> 00:38:27.639
started heading down to Terry. And about the time I

842
00:38:27.639 --> 00:38:29.960
started coming off that first plot to come down towards

843
00:38:30.239 --> 00:38:33.360
where Terry was, I started hearing brush breaking. It started

844
00:38:33.400 --> 00:38:35.440
about one hundred and fifty feet above me on the

845
00:38:35.519 --> 00:38:39.119
hillside right where are that that shadow that dark figure

846
00:38:39.159 --> 00:38:42.639
had ran to. And I would start walking and it

847
00:38:42.639 --> 00:38:45.119
would start walking, and I mean at first it was pacing.

848
00:38:45.239 --> 00:38:47.599
I was going at the same speed I was going by,

849
00:38:47.639 --> 00:38:50.280
I mean in the thick brush moving so you hear yeah,

850
00:38:50.280 --> 00:38:53.519
I mean just just like walking through thick brush, snapping, crackling.

851
00:38:53.639 --> 00:38:56.719
It wasn't rushing at that point, and I would stop

852
00:38:57.000 --> 00:38:59.079
and it would stop. As I got closer to Terry,

853
00:39:00.000 --> 00:39:02.239
I'm on a lower plot, it started picking up. Every

854
00:39:02.280 --> 00:39:04.280
time it started moving, it started getting faster and faster,

855
00:39:04.840 --> 00:39:08.599
and so this thing started pretty much running to me.

856
00:39:08.719 --> 00:39:09.840
And when I would stop.

857
00:39:10.079 --> 00:39:12.079
A couple seconds later it would stop, but every time

858
00:39:12.119 --> 00:39:14.119
it would get closer, and I got that feeling again.

859
00:39:14.519 --> 00:39:16.960
I'm like, oh, man, Harry, are middle of the night.

860
00:39:17.679 --> 00:39:20.039
A couple three inch three and a half inch pocket knives,

861
00:39:20.320 --> 00:39:21.920
you know. And I make it down Terry. I'm like, hey,

862
00:39:22.000 --> 00:39:23.800
I just want to let you know. When I was

863
00:39:23.880 --> 00:39:25.280
up there top plot, I don't know if there's a

864
00:39:25.880 --> 00:39:27.599
bear or nolk. I saw something move up there and

865
00:39:28.400 --> 00:39:30.039
it was moving down the hill with me when I

866
00:39:30.079 --> 00:39:32.599
was going, and Terry hadn't heard it at that point,

867
00:39:32.840 --> 00:39:34.840
and he's like, well, okay, And I'm like, let's grab

868
00:39:34.880 --> 00:39:36.559
our stuff and let's take the shortcut. Let's just go

869
00:39:36.679 --> 00:39:39.199
straight down the steepest parts and let's just get onto

870
00:39:39.199 --> 00:39:40.719
the road and get back to the car. So we

871
00:39:41.320 --> 00:39:43.599
as soon as we started walking through that bottom plot,

872
00:39:44.159 --> 00:39:46.599
this thing started running again. And Terry looks at me

873
00:39:46.599 --> 00:39:48.480
and he says, what the hell is that. I'm like,

874
00:39:48.559 --> 00:39:50.559
that's what I was talking about. I'm like, it'll be fine.

875
00:39:50.599 --> 00:39:53.000
I'm like, do not freak out and run. I'm like,

876
00:39:53.039 --> 00:39:55.840
if it's a bear or a cougar, I'm like, it

877
00:39:55.880 --> 00:39:57.360
will chase you if you run.

878
00:39:57.440 --> 00:39:58.599
I'm like, it'll be fine.

879
00:39:59.039 --> 00:40:01.440
I dealt with animals in the woods before and I've

880
00:40:01.440 --> 00:40:02.159
never had an issue.

881
00:40:02.199 --> 00:40:03.599
I'm like, you just need to be cool about it.

882
00:40:03.639 --> 00:40:06.239
And so we start moving down again, and this scene

883
00:40:06.239 --> 00:40:09.360
starts running and every time, I mean it sounds like

884
00:40:09.360 --> 00:40:12.599
a truck driving down this hill, just snapping, breaking trees,

885
00:40:12.679 --> 00:40:14.800
like trees that were in there. We're a twenty year old,

886
00:40:14.800 --> 00:40:16.639
fifteen year old reprod. So they're all about this big

887
00:40:16.719 --> 00:40:19.880
round about six to eight inches, you know at the

888
00:40:19.920 --> 00:40:22.239
base and Douglas fir they grow in pretty thick, and

889
00:40:22.239 --> 00:40:25.239
these things are thick in there, you know, so you

890
00:40:25.280 --> 00:40:28.519
can't see more usually, especially once you get off these plots,

891
00:40:28.519 --> 00:40:30.159
you can't see more than five or six feet in

892
00:40:30.199 --> 00:40:31.960
front of it. Before you have a tree on branches

893
00:40:32.000 --> 00:40:33.599
and you can see the gaps in between there. We

894
00:40:33.760 --> 00:40:36.679
start making it off this edge and this scene starts

895
00:40:36.679 --> 00:40:41.519
coming and now it's within seventy five feetish of us,

896
00:40:42.000 --> 00:40:44.400
and we start and stop multiple times, and I told Terry,

897
00:40:44.440 --> 00:40:46.519
I'm like, take your knife out, and he takes out

898
00:40:46.519 --> 00:40:48.360
his little pocket knife. I'm in front and I pulled

899
00:40:48.360 --> 00:40:51.320
my pocket knife out and I'm like, I told Terry,

900
00:40:51.320 --> 00:40:54.599
I'm like, if this animal comes down and starts attacking.

901
00:40:55.199 --> 00:40:57.599
I'm like, you stab it until it stops attacking, and

902
00:40:57.639 --> 00:40:59.280
I'll make sure I do the same for you. And

903
00:40:59.400 --> 00:41:02.400
Terry looked look quite nervous. I'm like, but do not run.

904
00:41:02.599 --> 00:41:06.320
And Terry's okay, you know. And so we stop and listen.

905
00:41:06.960 --> 00:41:09.239
We don't hear anything. We start walking, and again this

906
00:41:09.280 --> 00:41:11.360
thing starts coming and now it's coming. It's just coming

907
00:41:11.360 --> 00:41:13.800
with a vengeance. And we stop and this time it

908
00:41:13.840 --> 00:41:17.239
doesn't stop, and it's just coming. We're sitting there looking

909
00:41:17.280 --> 00:41:19.280
up the hill. I mean, time seems to slow down

910
00:41:19.320 --> 00:41:21.280
in those moments. It's just coming towards you, and you thinking

911
00:41:21.280 --> 00:41:24.000
about all these movies you watch and everything about these

912
00:41:24.000 --> 00:41:26.599
animals coming and grabbing. You have nowhere to go, nowhere

913
00:41:26.639 --> 00:41:28.239
to run. You can't move over this train. The only

914
00:41:28.320 --> 00:41:31.079
thing to do is stand there and just prepare. And

915
00:41:31.079 --> 00:41:33.599
so I'm down and the ready when this thing's coming,

916
00:41:33.760 --> 00:41:36.920
and it's coming, and my heart rate's sitting there pumping,

917
00:41:37.000 --> 00:41:39.679
and it's a chilly night, so as I'm exhaling my

918
00:41:39.760 --> 00:41:42.159
breath is it's a nice still night too. My breath

919
00:41:42.199 --> 00:41:44.320
is just coming up, wrapping over my headlamps. I'm exhaling

920
00:41:44.360 --> 00:41:46.199
to the side so I can see and get the

921
00:41:46.199 --> 00:41:47.960
conversation from my breath out of my field of you.

922
00:41:48.679 --> 00:41:51.639
And this thing is just running straight at us, and

923
00:41:51.760 --> 00:41:54.960
I'm sure we're about to get attacked by whatever it is,

924
00:41:55.079 --> 00:41:55.480
you know, And.

925
00:41:55.440 --> 00:41:56.360
So I'm down ready.

926
00:41:57.000 --> 00:42:01.320
It's brush snap and breaking closer, stop about ten feet

927
00:42:01.360 --> 00:42:03.280
in front of me, directly in front of me, And

928
00:42:03.440 --> 00:42:06.760
so I'm sitting there looking straight ahead, kind of slightly

929
00:42:06.880 --> 00:42:10.840
hunched down, kind of in that batter's position, you know,

930
00:42:11.440 --> 00:42:15.960
ready to go, and this thing stops and the noise stops,

931
00:42:16.000 --> 00:42:19.639
and looking through the trees with this crappy headlamp in

932
00:42:19.679 --> 00:42:22.840
between the Douglas fir branches or scaps, and I can

933
00:42:22.880 --> 00:42:28.199
see this blackish fur and it's got a little bit

934
00:42:28.199 --> 00:42:29.559
of a shine to it.

935
00:42:29.639 --> 00:42:30.719
I'm looking and.

936
00:42:30.559 --> 00:42:34.039
As I move my head lamp up, I see these

937
00:42:34.079 --> 00:42:37.440
splotches of her. And I get to about eight feet

938
00:42:37.840 --> 00:42:40.000
where I'm looking up, about eight feet tall, just ten

939
00:42:40.000 --> 00:42:42.280
feet in front of me, and I can see black

940
00:42:42.320 --> 00:42:46.480
fur still, and I can see these lighter patches, and

941
00:42:47.119 --> 00:42:49.639
I think I was looking at his chest. So I

942
00:42:49.880 --> 00:42:52.920
sat there with my knife ready. My buddy Cherry had

943
00:42:52.920 --> 00:42:56.679
his hand on my shoulder behind me and just waiting

944
00:42:56.760 --> 00:42:58.719
for this scene to come the rest of the way

945
00:42:58.760 --> 00:43:03.719
and confront us. And we sat there for probably six

946
00:43:03.840 --> 00:43:06.639
or seven seconds, just staring at it, and all of

947
00:43:06.679 --> 00:43:10.400
a sudden, I hear it shuffle and it turned, and

948
00:43:10.440 --> 00:43:13.800
when it turned, I saw this light flash come through

949
00:43:14.079 --> 00:43:16.039
and I think what I saw was it's palm, and

950
00:43:16.079 --> 00:43:19.480
it was about the size of a baseball mint, like

951
00:43:19.519 --> 00:43:22.960
adults baseball mint. It's just this flash that went through

952
00:43:23.159 --> 00:43:25.320
this crapy. My eye was really cussing that headlamp. All

953
00:43:25.360 --> 00:43:26.760
I wanted to do was see. You just want to

954
00:43:26.800 --> 00:43:28.400
You can't run, and you want to be able to see.

955
00:43:28.679 --> 00:43:31.239
And this thing turned and you can hear it on

956
00:43:31.280 --> 00:43:34.800
two legs taking these huge steps going down this really

957
00:43:34.800 --> 00:43:37.280
steep slope, and I mean it disappeared out of earshot

958
00:43:37.400 --> 00:43:39.719
within five seconds, just just disappeared.

959
00:43:39.719 --> 00:43:40.559
And we sat there for.

960
00:43:40.519 --> 00:43:44.039
Another minute and I told Terry, I'm like, let's head

961
00:43:44.079 --> 00:43:46.800
back to the truck, you know, And so we hiked

962
00:43:46.840 --> 00:43:49.800
out of there, headed back to the truck. And anyways,

963
00:43:49.800 --> 00:43:52.360
we ended up going back the next week and finished

964
00:43:52.440 --> 00:43:54.360
up our plants and stuff, and you know, I mean,

965
00:43:55.679 --> 00:43:57.840
I didn't know what to think of it, and I

966
00:43:58.239 --> 00:44:01.440
really never We chatted about a little bit on the

967
00:44:01.440 --> 00:44:03.320
way back to town, but I just didn't know what

968
00:44:03.360 --> 00:44:06.079
to think about it, and really didn't have a firm

969
00:44:06.119 --> 00:44:10.760
place to put this experience, you know, And so time

970
00:44:10.800 --> 00:44:15.920
goes by and it just was one of those odd experiences.

971
00:44:15.960 --> 00:44:18.000
And then, like I said, once that show came on

972
00:44:18.039 --> 00:44:19.840
TV Finding Bigfoot and stuff, I'm like, yeah, I was

973
00:44:19.840 --> 00:44:21.239
a big foot stand in front of me. I saw

974
00:44:21.280 --> 00:44:24.599
a bigfoot. And years later, actually a few years later,

975
00:44:24.760 --> 00:44:27.639
Terry now lives in Idaho, and I went to buy

976
00:44:27.639 --> 00:44:30.159
that camper over there because had a really good deal

977
00:44:30.239 --> 00:44:32.760
during the pandemic, And so we drove over to Boise

978
00:44:33.320 --> 00:44:36.800
and I hadn't seen Terry and seven or eight, and

979
00:44:36.880 --> 00:44:38.840
I'll probably even longer that, maybe ten years. And so

980
00:44:38.880 --> 00:44:40.440
we meet up with them in town while I'm waiting

981
00:44:40.599 --> 00:44:42.719
for the paperworking done on the camp trailer, and it

982
00:44:42.760 --> 00:44:44.320
was on my mind because now I knew I'd have

983
00:44:44.320 --> 00:44:45.719
put all this stuff together, and I had a pretty

984
00:44:45.760 --> 00:44:47.519
good idea about what was going on to us out there.

985
00:44:47.639 --> 00:44:49.079
And I talked to Harry about him, like, hey, you

986
00:44:49.079 --> 00:44:52.480
remember that grow we did out in Lane County line He's, oh, yeah,

987
00:44:52.679 --> 00:44:55.920
I asked Terry, Mike, remember that thing that chased us

988
00:44:55.920 --> 00:44:56.360
down the hill?

989
00:44:56.360 --> 00:44:58.440
He say, oh, yeah, I remember that. I'm like, what

990
00:44:58.480 --> 00:44:59.079
did you see?

991
00:44:59.079 --> 00:45:02.360
Because I never asked Terry what he saw when he says,

992
00:45:02.480 --> 00:45:06.159
I didn't see anything. I was behind you when nice hunch,

993
00:45:06.320 --> 00:45:09.360
I'm like, you didn't see the things standing right in front.

994
00:45:09.159 --> 00:45:11.039
Of us, And Terry's like, I didn't see it. I

995
00:45:11.039 --> 00:45:12.119
was actually a little disappointed.

996
00:45:12.159 --> 00:45:13.719
I'm like, man, and maybe it's a good thing you

997
00:45:13.760 --> 00:45:16.559
didn't see it, because I'm Terry was pretty spooped and

998
00:45:16.800 --> 00:45:19.480
walking back on that road, I mean, you know, I

999
00:45:19.519 --> 00:45:22.400
mean I heard it run off and that uneasiness just

1000
00:45:22.480 --> 00:45:24.000
left just back in the woods again.

1001
00:45:24.039 --> 00:45:25.440
And but yeah, it was incredible.

1002
00:45:25.639 --> 00:45:28.480
And I don't know the whole door slamming thing and

1003
00:45:28.519 --> 00:45:31.119
stuff like that, like how they make the noise, but

1004
00:45:31.400 --> 00:45:35.440
it's so distinctive and I heard I've heard that many

1005
00:45:35.480 --> 00:45:38.440
times before in places where you wouldn't expect to hear it.

1006
00:45:38.480 --> 00:45:40.920
And I don't know if it's them smacking their chests

1007
00:45:40.960 --> 00:45:44.800
and making a big exhale, but it's pretty incredible sound mimicry.

1008
00:45:44.880 --> 00:45:48.320
I think these things mimic the sounds that they hear.

1009
00:45:48.440 --> 00:45:50.119
And I don't know why they do it. It it

1010
00:45:50.119 --> 00:45:52.599
seemed territorial obviously because I mean his running out there,

1011
00:45:52.599 --> 00:45:55.719
But why waited all summer with having these those noises

1012
00:45:55.719 --> 00:45:56.480
around us all summer?

1013
00:45:56.519 --> 00:45:58.199
I don't know. But made it out of.

1014
00:45:58.159 --> 00:46:02.159
There unscathed with another expert sperience, and so where am

1015
00:46:02.199 --> 00:46:02.719
I at here?

1016
00:46:02.800 --> 00:46:03.920
So I'm okay.

1017
00:46:04.320 --> 00:46:07.719
So the next year I kept on backpacking, and that

1018
00:46:07.760 --> 00:46:09.719
was the last year I grew. It's just it was

1019
00:46:09.800 --> 00:46:12.199
just too much work and I got busier with my career.

1020
00:46:12.320 --> 00:46:14.920
I'm a mechanic. I've been a mechanic for twenty five years,

1021
00:46:14.960 --> 00:46:17.880
and it's just the whole growing thing, especially once it

1022
00:46:17.880 --> 00:46:20.039
turned legal, Like I just didn't want any part of it. It

1023
00:46:20.000 --> 00:46:21.119
was fun to you as a kid. It wasn't a

1024
00:46:21.119 --> 00:46:23.159
commercial venture. It was just kids being kids. But anyways,

1025
00:46:23.199 --> 00:46:25.599
backpacking was my true passion and that kind of took

1026
00:46:25.599 --> 00:46:27.800
away from backpacking. So me and my wife was you

1027
00:46:27.920 --> 00:46:31.280
and my girlfriend. Then we found the spot in South

1028
00:46:31.280 --> 00:46:33.760
Sister or Three Sisters Wilderness. This is on the western

1029
00:46:33.840 --> 00:46:36.920
slopes of the mountains there and the Lama National Forest,

1030
00:46:37.199 --> 00:46:41.199
probably thirty five miles forty miles ast. Crowd fly from here,

1031
00:46:41.920 --> 00:46:46.079
just an absolutely gorgeous area. In my opinion, being around

1032
00:46:46.239 --> 00:46:49.599
the state and backpacking the whole state, it's some of

1033
00:46:49.599 --> 00:46:51.920
the prettiest hiking you can find. An Organ and Linton

1034
00:46:51.960 --> 00:46:54.920
Meadows in particular, it's this meadow system that comes off

1035
00:46:54.960 --> 00:46:57.920
the PCT, runs on the top side of it, and

1036
00:46:58.039 --> 00:47:00.159
this metal system drops for miles and miles below. So

1037
00:47:00.159 --> 00:47:02.519
you get these terrace lava flows that have huge meadows,

1038
00:47:02.559 --> 00:47:06.039
two hundred acre meadows, and they open up to South Sister,

1039
00:47:06.320 --> 00:47:08.559
this huge volcanic mountain that's got glaciers on it, and

1040
00:47:08.719 --> 00:47:10.800
South Sister has a lot of red rock and it's

1041
00:47:10.840 --> 00:47:14.679
just absolutely stunning. We actually end up getting married out there.

1042
00:47:14.800 --> 00:47:16.679
That's where my wife we did a wilderness wedding. You know,

1043
00:47:16.679 --> 00:47:20.000
I got my brother ordained and hiked in my in Lost.

1044
00:47:20.000 --> 00:47:21.800
You can only take twelve people in the wilderness. And

1045
00:47:21.920 --> 00:47:23.840
I was starting to get into guiding at this point

1046
00:47:23.840 --> 00:47:26.880
in time, so I was running some nonprofits as a

1047
00:47:26.960 --> 00:47:28.920
as a guide and taking a bunch of people out

1048
00:47:28.960 --> 00:47:31.519
and so I had tons of year for backpacking and

1049
00:47:31.599 --> 00:47:33.559
me and my wife decided we didn't want to We

1050
00:47:33.599 --> 00:47:36.320
didn't want a church wedding. But anyways, we chose the

1051
00:47:36.320 --> 00:47:39.199
spot because it's so pretty and it's off the beaten path.

1052
00:47:39.400 --> 00:47:41.960
A lot of people might day trip it if they're

1053
00:47:41.960 --> 00:47:44.599
out there backpacking, but it's thirteen miles to the nearest

1054
00:47:44.599 --> 00:47:48.360
trail head. Is hard hiking. So Aileen Lake was our

1055
00:47:48.760 --> 00:47:49.480
main destination.

1056
00:47:49.880 --> 00:47:50.519
So we go in.

1057
00:47:51.039 --> 00:47:57.440
It's about twenty ten and we always liked later season hikes,

1058
00:47:57.480 --> 00:48:01.079
so it was September, maybe a couple weeks into September,

1059
00:48:01.159 --> 00:48:02.719
and we picked that because one of the crowds are

1060
00:48:02.760 --> 00:48:05.559
less and the bugs leave. The mosquitos can be horrendous

1061
00:48:05.559 --> 00:48:08.239
out there all the way through August, and it's such

1062
00:48:08.239 --> 00:48:09.840
a pretty spot. It sucks if you got to spend

1063
00:48:09.840 --> 00:48:12.719
your time under mosquito netting. And so we hike in,

1064
00:48:12.840 --> 00:48:16.119
just me and my wife and spend all day hiking.

1065
00:48:16.360 --> 00:48:19.239
Is a hard hike. I mean, my packs were heavier

1066
00:48:19.280 --> 00:48:21.599
than they should have been. I was probably carrying seventy pounds.

1067
00:48:21.599 --> 00:48:23.760
My wife is probably carrying fifty five or sixty.

1068
00:48:23.760 --> 00:48:24.320
She's a trooper.

1069
00:48:24.519 --> 00:48:27.159
She could put miles on and it never complains about it.

1070
00:48:27.199 --> 00:48:29.719
And she I introduced her to backpacking, so she cut

1071
00:48:29.719 --> 00:48:32.199
her teeth with it with me, and it was just

1072
00:48:33.280 --> 00:48:35.719
it was such a great experience. So we hike in

1073
00:48:36.320 --> 00:48:38.800
to Lint Meadows, and it takes us all day to

1074
00:48:38.840 --> 00:48:41.320
get into there. By the time we get into Lint Meadows,

1075
00:48:41.360 --> 00:48:43.760
super dry year, we were running low in water. We

1076
00:48:43.800 --> 00:48:46.079
had been out of water for the last few miles,

1077
00:48:46.239 --> 00:48:47.960
and I knew there were springs down there and lint meadows,

1078
00:48:47.960 --> 00:48:50.400
So our plan was to just get into where the

1079
00:48:50.400 --> 00:48:54.719
meadows start and post up camp, find some water, and

1080
00:48:54.760 --> 00:48:56.519
then the next morning hike the rest of the mile

1081
00:48:56.559 --> 00:48:58.599
and a half two Island Lake, which is our destination.

1082
00:48:58.599 --> 00:48:59.760
We were going to spend about a week and half

1083
00:48:59.800 --> 00:49:03.480
out there. So we drop into the meadow and the

1084
00:49:03.519 --> 00:49:05.280
sun's got about an hour and a half worth left

1085
00:49:05.280 --> 00:49:06.679
a light on it. But it gets start quick up

1086
00:49:06.719 --> 00:49:08.440
there because everything's so up and down and we're in

1087
00:49:08.519 --> 00:49:10.440
this valley. You can be a couple hours away from

1088
00:49:10.480 --> 00:49:13.159
sunset and be in complete shade and darkness.

1089
00:49:13.199 --> 00:49:14.719
So we set up our We come into this.

1090
00:49:14.679 --> 00:49:16.920
Meadow and it's one of the larger meadows that are

1091
00:49:17.000 --> 00:49:19.159
up there, and you get out of the trees and

1092
00:49:19.159 --> 00:49:20.920
all of a sudden, the views open up and there's

1093
00:49:20.920 --> 00:49:22.559
a mountain, I mean, lit up by the setting sun

1094
00:49:22.639 --> 00:49:25.960
alpine glow, and it's just you know, you're gonna be

1095
00:49:25.960 --> 00:49:27.280
spending a week and half up there, and you have

1096
00:49:27.360 --> 00:49:29.880
nothing to do, and it's the best feeling, and we're tired,

1097
00:49:30.199 --> 00:49:32.679
we're thirsty. We find a little spring that's trickling right

1098
00:49:32.679 --> 00:49:34.599
by the trail as we enter the meadow, so we

1099
00:49:34.639 --> 00:49:38.079
set our tent up right where this meadow starts to

1100
00:49:38.119 --> 00:49:40.480
open up, and there's these little tree peninsula set that

1101
00:49:40.599 --> 00:49:42.480
open up into the meadow, so you get these little

1102
00:49:42.840 --> 00:49:45.480
kind of jets of trees that come out in between

1103
00:49:45.639 --> 00:49:49.199
the meadow. So we camped about fifty feet away from

1104
00:49:49.280 --> 00:49:51.599
the edge of this tree line right where you come

1105
00:49:51.639 --> 00:49:53.320
into the meadow where you first start to get to

1106
00:49:53.320 --> 00:49:56.480
the meadows, set our tent up, got water, feed the

1107
00:49:56.519 --> 00:50:00.480
dogs there they're dehydrated dog backpack packing food and made

1108
00:50:00.519 --> 00:50:03.960
our dinner and we're sitting in our camp chairs, shoes off,

1109
00:50:04.199 --> 00:50:07.679
just enjoying it. And we're looking across the metal on

1110
00:50:07.719 --> 00:50:10.519
the other side, and metal runs up this really steep hillside,

1111
00:50:11.000 --> 00:50:13.760
and as we're eating our dinner, this whole herd of deer.

1112
00:50:13.800 --> 00:50:17.719
I've never seen so many blacktaill deer out there, but

1113
00:50:17.840 --> 00:50:22.119
this whole herd of probably twelve deer just explode out

1114
00:50:22.119 --> 00:50:24.840
of the woods through the pass the trail that we

1115
00:50:24.880 --> 00:50:27.519
came in on, probably one hundred feet away from us,

1116
00:50:27.880 --> 00:50:30.199
and they are running full board and they run straight

1117
00:50:30.280 --> 00:50:32.519
up this hillside. I mean you'd have to use you know,

1118
00:50:32.760 --> 00:50:34.719
you'd have to use all fours to climb up that

1119
00:50:35.840 --> 00:50:36.440
that mountain side.

1120
00:50:36.480 --> 00:50:37.920
I mean it is steep. You can just see this.

1121
00:50:38.400 --> 00:50:38.880
They are just.

1122
00:50:38.960 --> 00:50:41.639
Running and I told my wife, I'm like, oh, something's

1123
00:50:41.679 --> 00:50:44.960
chasing those things. Mountains and mountain lions and bears are

1124
00:50:44.960 --> 00:50:47.079
really common up there, and so I'm like, well, probably

1125
00:50:47.119 --> 00:50:48.920
cat chasing them. And so we just sat there and

1126
00:50:49.199 --> 00:50:50.920
watched them run and we're like, oh, that's cool, like

1127
00:50:51.039 --> 00:50:54.360
really cool. And we finish our meal. Our dogs were done.

1128
00:50:54.400 --> 00:50:56.519
Who make them carry their gear? And humans can walk

1129
00:50:56.639 --> 00:50:59.039
way farther than dogs. You thirteen mile a day for

1130
00:50:59.360 --> 00:51:02.079
a dog. And heat, it was really hot. They were

1131
00:51:02.079 --> 00:51:04.960
ready for bed, so open up the tent, they go in,

1132
00:51:05.280 --> 00:51:07.559
they go to sleep. We finished cleaning up camp and

1133
00:51:08.119 --> 00:51:10.960
we get in our tent and we didn't see anyone

1134
00:51:11.400 --> 00:51:13.760
hiking in there. We didn't see anyone in the last

1135
00:51:14.039 --> 00:51:16.880
probably eight miles, so there's no one in the meadow system.

1136
00:51:17.079 --> 00:51:19.519
There's no sign of people in there. No noise, it

1137
00:51:19.519 --> 00:51:22.039
gets dark, starts getting dark, and we're laying in the

1138
00:51:22.079 --> 00:51:27.119
tent and we hear what sounds like someone split in firewood,

1139
00:51:27.239 --> 00:51:27.760
just as dry.

1140
00:51:27.679 --> 00:51:29.000
As firewood crack.

1141
00:51:29.440 --> 00:51:33.000
It was so loud, echoing off these huge metal walls,

1142
00:51:33.000 --> 00:51:35.719
and this meadows probably three quarters mile across.

1143
00:51:35.920 --> 00:51:36.920
You just hear it echoing.

1144
00:51:37.559 --> 00:51:41.599
And I knew that there's another camping area about about

1145
00:51:41.599 --> 00:51:43.679
a quarter mile up the trail, on this other tree,

1146
00:51:43.840 --> 00:51:46.679
this tree island that's in the middle of the meadow system.

1147
00:51:46.719 --> 00:51:48.880
There's really pretty spot to camp, so I assume people

1148
00:51:48.880 --> 00:51:53.280
were camping there. And this wood splitting went on for

1149
00:51:53.280 --> 00:51:56.119
forty five minutes or more. You know, loud, I mean

1150
00:51:56.159 --> 00:51:58.360
just loud eyes from marking to my wife. Man, I'm like,

1151
00:52:00.000 --> 00:52:02.519
almost sounds like gunshots. It's so loud. And it started

1152
00:52:02.519 --> 00:52:06.079
getting closer to us, to the point to where the

1153
00:52:06.119 --> 00:52:08.320
sounds of this what we thought was would be being

1154
00:52:08.360 --> 00:52:11.880
split was one hundred feet into the trees that we

1155
00:52:11.920 --> 00:52:14.239
are now camped next to. Like there are people camped

1156
00:52:14.239 --> 00:52:16.440
in there. So we hear that wood splitting crack right

1157
00:52:16.480 --> 00:52:20.400
in there, and it was odd, and I'm like, man,

1158
00:52:20.400 --> 00:52:22.760
we didn't see anyone in there, and we're right next

1159
00:52:22.760 --> 00:52:24.760
to where this happening. Now, I'm like, it doesn't really

1160
00:52:24.800 --> 00:52:27.760
make much sense that they're moving around splitting firewood, but

1161
00:52:27.880 --> 00:52:30.079
we chalked it up to people being out there camping,

1162
00:52:30.679 --> 00:52:34.039
and the wood splitting stopped after about forty five minutes

1163
00:52:34.119 --> 00:52:39.280
that noise anyways, and then we started hearing the sound

1164
00:52:39.280 --> 00:52:43.000
of on that ground up there being volcanic and made

1165
00:52:43.079 --> 00:52:44.920
with a lot of pomuses, a lot of air pockets

1166
00:52:44.920 --> 00:52:47.239
in the ground, and when you run on that stuff,

1167
00:52:47.239 --> 00:52:50.239
you get you can hear the foot footsteps, even humans

1168
00:52:50.239 --> 00:52:52.280
walking on and people walking on it. But it wasn't

1169
00:52:52.280 --> 00:52:56.679
footprints or footsteps. It was rocks being thrown towards our tent,

1170
00:52:57.159 --> 00:52:59.320
big rocks, football size, softball sized rocks.

1171
00:52:59.440 --> 00:53:00.000
Boom boom bom.

1172
00:53:00.280 --> 00:53:02.480
And these rocks got closer and closer, I mean to

1173
00:53:02.519 --> 00:53:05.559
the point to where they were hitting five feet away

1174
00:53:05.559 --> 00:53:08.360
from our tent. And I told my wife, I'm like,

1175
00:53:08.599 --> 00:53:11.440
you know what, I'm like, these are drunk out here camping.

1176
00:53:11.599 --> 00:53:13.320
I'm like, we come out here to get away from people,

1177
00:53:13.320 --> 00:53:14.960
and here we are we end up setting up right

1178
00:53:15.000 --> 00:53:17.880
next to someone. I'm like, you know, if this continues,

1179
00:53:17.920 --> 00:53:19.320
I'm like, I'm gonna go out there and talk to him.

1180
00:53:19.320 --> 00:53:22.320
My wife's, oh, don't go out there and get in

1181
00:53:22.360 --> 00:53:23.840
a fist fight. And middle of the forest, I'm like,

1182
00:53:23.840 --> 00:53:25.880
there's plenty of room for these people to go camping here.

1183
00:53:25.880 --> 00:53:27.840
They are camping right next to us and being drunks

1184
00:53:27.840 --> 00:53:31.599
throwing rocks at our tent. So discontinues, and it gets

1185
00:53:31.599 --> 00:53:34.679
closer to the tent and I'm like, I'm gonna go

1186
00:53:34.679 --> 00:53:37.000
out there and talk to him. So I started getting

1187
00:53:37.079 --> 00:53:39.360
up and my wife's just leave it to me. Well,

1188
00:53:39.400 --> 00:53:41.760
I'm like, if they hit our tent, I'm going out there.

1189
00:53:41.920 --> 00:53:44.559
And so we listen to this rock throw and go

1190
00:53:44.639 --> 00:53:47.920
on for thirty to forty five minutes. It's well dark

1191
00:53:47.960 --> 00:53:53.360
now and the rock throwing stops, and a few minutes

1192
00:53:53.440 --> 00:54:00.480
later we hear three or four things standing may twenty

1193
00:54:00.480 --> 00:54:02.760
five feet away from her tent, in between our tent

1194
00:54:02.800 --> 00:54:05.320
and the tree line. You can hear him talking, but

1195
00:54:05.360 --> 00:54:08.960
it's not a discernible language. It's super low. And the

1196
00:54:08.960 --> 00:54:12.400
best way I heard it described is if someone was

1197
00:54:12.440 --> 00:54:16.320
talking in a really deep voice and you played it backwards, WHOA,

1198
00:54:17.360 --> 00:54:19.000
You catch sections of it, and then it is so

1199
00:54:19.119 --> 00:54:21.119
low and frequency like parts of it would drop out

1200
00:54:21.119 --> 00:54:22.280
from what you can hear, and then you pick it

1201
00:54:22.320 --> 00:54:26.400
back up and you'd hear these things chattering back and

1202
00:54:26.480 --> 00:54:29.679
forth right outside her tent. And it probably only lasted

1203
00:54:29.679 --> 00:54:33.639
a couple of minutes, and then it was quiet the.

1204
00:54:33.440 --> 00:54:34.079
Rest of the night.

1205
00:54:34.559 --> 00:54:37.039
In the morning, we woke up early, so we wanted

1206
00:54:37.039 --> 00:54:38.719
to get up get Diling Lakes. So we were up

1207
00:54:38.719 --> 00:54:41.239
and out of the tent by six and I decided

1208
00:54:41.239 --> 00:54:44.159
to hike into that tree area where where the people were.

1209
00:54:44.199 --> 00:54:46.920
I thought people were camping, And there's no campsite in there.

1210
00:54:47.079 --> 00:54:49.079
There's no sign that anyone was ever camping in there.

1211
00:54:49.079 --> 00:54:53.280
But around our tent were quite a few large rocks.

1212
00:54:53.039 --> 00:54:53.639
That weren't there.

1213
00:54:53.719 --> 00:54:55.199
In the morning, you can see where they It hit

1214
00:54:55.280 --> 00:54:58.760
on the pumisey ground and skidded, and like I said,

1215
00:54:58.760 --> 00:55:01.639
it was I just assumed it was people, but there

1216
00:55:01.719 --> 00:55:03.920
was no people there. And so we packed up a

1217
00:55:04.000 --> 00:55:06.800
tent and hiked up the island lake and spent our

1218
00:55:06.800 --> 00:55:10.639
week or so time up there and join ourself. Never

1219
00:55:10.679 --> 00:55:13.480
had anything else happen up at Lint Meadows that whole trip.

1220
00:55:13.840 --> 00:55:15.920
Our first trip into Linton Meadows, by the way, we

1221
00:55:15.960 --> 00:55:18.880
hiked from the Cascade Lakes highwayside of it, so it

1222
00:55:18.920 --> 00:55:20.960
was a sixteen or seventeen mile hike. I ended up

1223
00:55:20.960 --> 00:55:23.599
taking a wrong turn and ended up adding a couple

1224
00:55:23.679 --> 00:55:26.719
miles to it, and our first hike in there just

1225
00:55:26.800 --> 00:55:28.519
the only other thing I've had happened. Our first time

1226
00:55:28.599 --> 00:55:30.679
up there, we went to Husband Lake. Made it in there.

1227
00:55:30.679 --> 00:55:32.159
We were whooped, The dogs were whooped, and they are

1228
00:55:32.199 --> 00:55:33.800
laying down in the shade every time we stopped, so

1229
00:55:33.840 --> 00:55:35.519
it was time to stop. Our goal is to get

1230
00:55:35.559 --> 00:55:37.000
Island Lake, and that was our first.

1231
00:55:36.880 --> 00:55:37.400
Time up there.

1232
00:55:37.440 --> 00:55:41.559
We camp on this huge out rock outcropping that overlooks

1233
00:55:41.639 --> 00:55:43.920
this lake, and as after we set up the tent,

1234
00:55:44.400 --> 00:55:47.840
this five point black tailed deer just comes out of

1235
00:55:47.840 --> 00:55:51.239
the bushes and it's within ten feet of our tent.

1236
00:55:51.280 --> 00:55:53.239
And I have my two dogs there and they're not

1237
00:55:53.280 --> 00:55:56.280
ground or barking, they're watching this year. It's just clopping around.

1238
00:55:56.480 --> 00:55:58.679
It was so close I could have reached out and

1239
00:55:58.800 --> 00:56:01.599
touched this animal. Made me a little uneasy about the

1240
00:56:01.639 --> 00:56:03.800
health of this animal. It's getting later in the year too,

1241
00:56:03.840 --> 00:56:06.039
so I possibly could have been rut and so I

1242
00:56:06.039 --> 00:56:07.559
told my wife and I just don't mess with it

1243
00:56:07.639 --> 00:56:11.559
and it'll go away. Hung around our tent, well into

1244
00:56:11.920 --> 00:56:13.239
the evening to the point to where.

1245
00:56:13.039 --> 00:56:13.760
The sun had dropped down.

1246
00:56:13.800 --> 00:56:15.920
In fact, actually I was laying in there and it

1247
00:56:15.960 --> 00:56:18.840
was sniffing the tent and it ended up laying down

1248
00:56:19.360 --> 00:56:22.480
right outside of our tent, feed away from us, laying down.

1249
00:56:23.039 --> 00:56:25.360
And I never put two and two together, but I

1250
00:56:25.360 --> 00:56:27.960
think what it was was that that deer had been

1251
00:56:28.039 --> 00:56:30.840
being chased and it was around us for safety.

1252
00:56:30.960 --> 00:56:31.719
And that's my.

1253
00:56:32.280 --> 00:56:35.079
Speculation on it. Anyways, really odd. Yeah, you could have

1254
00:56:35.079 --> 00:56:36.679
gotten that thing with a slingshot. Boy, I would have

1255
00:56:36.679 --> 00:56:38.719
been hunter streaming. He was a nice looking buck. It

1256
00:56:38.760 --> 00:56:41.000
was a beautiful buck. But yeah, So that was my

1257
00:56:41.039 --> 00:56:44.480
experiences in Litton Meadows there, and I spent a lot

1258
00:56:44.519 --> 00:56:47.119
of time in that area, a lot of time in

1259
00:56:47.119 --> 00:56:49.239
that area. In fact, actually years later me and my

1260
00:56:49.480 --> 00:56:51.599
buddy that I ended up starting the back hiking Guide

1261
00:56:51.599 --> 00:56:54.920
service with we bush whacked eight miles from Linton Meadows,

1262
00:56:56.519 --> 00:56:59.360
no trail route to get to or Linton Lake to

1263
00:56:59.400 --> 00:57:02.159
get to the Metal Section, and it's super rugged. I

1264
00:57:02.199 --> 00:57:06.000
mean you're going up steep hillsides that are just covered

1265
00:57:06.000 --> 00:57:09.639
in eight to ten foot rhododendron. And I remember on

1266
00:57:09.719 --> 00:57:14.000
my hike up there that I ended up coming across

1267
00:57:14.440 --> 00:57:16.760
tree structures in there, and just in the middle of

1268
00:57:16.800 --> 00:57:19.480
absolutely nowhere where no one hikes, you know. I mean

1269
00:57:19.519 --> 00:57:21.480
you might get a hiker through there once every ten years,

1270
00:57:21.559 --> 00:57:24.079
you know, someone like us. I was really pushing what

1271
00:57:24.119 --> 00:57:26.159
they wanted to do, a miserable hike up beautiful though

1272
00:57:26.920 --> 00:57:29.519
multiple tree structures up in their big trees piled up

1273
00:57:29.519 --> 00:57:30.679
on each other. And I always thought it was odd

1274
00:57:30.719 --> 00:57:32.760
at it was just do an. I mean, it wasn't treefall.

1275
00:57:32.800 --> 00:57:34.280
I mean someone had stacked it, you know, and I

1276
00:57:34.320 --> 00:57:36.159
just thought it was odd. And but that area up

1277
00:57:36.159 --> 00:57:41.039
there ended up burning later in a fire around twenty

1278
00:57:41.119 --> 00:57:42.920
fifteen or so. I think there's a big fire up there,

1279
00:57:42.920 --> 00:57:45.079
and it burnt through a lot of that stuff up there.

1280
00:57:45.079 --> 00:57:47.239
And I actually went took my family on a week

1281
00:57:47.280 --> 00:57:50.519
long backpacking trip up there the following year, or maybe

1282
00:57:50.519 --> 00:57:53.159
it's two years after that fired burn. Actually, my neighbor

1283
00:57:53.199 --> 00:57:55.360
has a little airplane, so I actually traded off some

1284
00:57:55.400 --> 00:57:57.039
work with him and he took me on a flight

1285
00:57:57.079 --> 00:57:58.639
so I could do reconnaissance to make sure it wasn't

1286
00:57:58.679 --> 00:58:00.679
We weren't just gonna be hiking through complete burn for

1287
00:58:00.719 --> 00:58:02.920
a week. And it's a beautiful area. But yeah, I

1288
00:58:02.920 --> 00:58:05.800
took my family up there and they really enjoyed it.

1289
00:58:05.800 --> 00:58:06.159
Half of them.

1290
00:58:06.199 --> 00:58:07.880
I had already been up there for my wedding that

1291
00:58:07.920 --> 00:58:11.119
we did up up with those lakes and yep, never

1292
00:58:11.159 --> 00:58:13.199
had anything else that happened up there.

1293
00:58:13.360 --> 00:58:13.840
And then.

1294
00:58:15.920 --> 00:58:18.559
Twenty eleven Dime Peak Wilderness. So that's just east of

1295
00:58:18.639 --> 00:58:21.320
us you out Hills Creek, and I don't know where

1296
00:58:21.320 --> 00:58:23.000
you've been around here, but I wouldn't be surprised if

1297
00:58:23.000 --> 00:58:24.800
you went out that direction because that's a great direction

1298
00:58:24.880 --> 00:58:27.760
to go. But east of Eugene or east of Oakridge

1299
00:58:28.320 --> 00:58:30.039
you run into Dime Peak Wilderness.

1300
00:58:30.119 --> 00:58:31.320
You know what I mean. It's a big mountain you

1301
00:58:31.320 --> 00:58:33.400
can see when you're driving up the highway. Oh okay,

1302
00:58:33.559 --> 00:58:33.920
I got it.

1303
00:58:34.000 --> 00:58:37.119
Yep, Snowpeak Captain everything, and there's a beautiful loop in there,

1304
00:58:37.119 --> 00:58:41.119
and I really like love backpacking in that area. So

1305
00:58:41.360 --> 00:58:45.119
we were It's my first time doing the Wilderness Loop

1306
00:58:45.119 --> 00:58:47.159
and it's about a thirty mile loop and we like

1307
00:58:47.159 --> 00:58:49.880
take about a week to do them. And so my wife,

1308
00:58:50.039 --> 00:58:53.000
me and my buddy Ryan from Pendleton that I went

1309
00:58:53.039 --> 00:58:54.920
to school with, we start out from Trapper Creek trailhead,

1310
00:58:54.920 --> 00:58:56.880
which is my chilter co resort there on Oda Lake,

1311
00:58:57.480 --> 00:59:00.800
and our second night we end up at Lake Well,

1312
00:59:00.840 --> 00:59:03.599
we me and my wife had just bought a brand

1313
00:59:03.679 --> 00:59:06.880
new Arii backpack intent I mean, it was the big

1314
00:59:06.920 --> 00:59:10.320
Agnes sl It was a six hundred dollars tent, really

1315
00:59:10.400 --> 00:59:11.679
nice piece of gear and only weighed two and a

1316
00:59:11.679 --> 00:59:13.360
half pounds. It was so nice to really get her

1317
00:59:13.400 --> 00:59:14.840
pack weight trimmed down, you know, so we could do

1318
00:59:14.880 --> 00:59:17.599
these bigger trips and not die doing them. And so

1319
00:59:17.639 --> 00:59:19.719
we set up at Marie Lake and there's one camp

1320
00:59:19.719 --> 00:59:22.880
spot it's at the front side of the lake. There

1321
00:59:22.920 --> 00:59:24.320
there's another one you got a bushback to on the

1322
00:59:24.360 --> 00:59:26.480
other side, but there's no one in the first spot, so.

1323
00:59:26.440 --> 00:59:28.800
We took it. No people around or anything like that.

1324
00:59:28.880 --> 00:59:32.559
We set up on the grassy area in between the

1325
00:59:32.599 --> 00:59:34.280
campsite that was in the woods, about one hundred fet

1326
00:59:34.280 --> 00:59:36.119
from the side of the lake. We were about fifty

1327
00:59:36.159 --> 00:59:38.880
feet closer to the lake, in the grassy area that

1328
00:59:38.960 --> 00:59:42.960
leads right to the lake's edge. And we did our thing,

1329
00:59:43.320 --> 00:59:45.280
went to sleep. I had my two dogs with me,

1330
00:59:45.440 --> 00:59:48.760
yuey Nori, and we wake up in the morning and

1331
00:59:48.800 --> 00:59:50.559
my wife's side of the tent, it's got a full

1332
00:59:50.599 --> 00:59:52.719
rain fly on it. It's a heavy duty tent for backpacking,

1333
00:59:53.000 --> 00:59:54.119
three and a half plus season tent.

1334
00:59:54.159 --> 00:59:55.760
It's stout. This thing can take some storms.

1335
00:59:55.800 --> 00:59:58.920
And we wake up and the rain fly is ripped

1336
00:59:59.519 --> 01:00:01.920
on her side, The zippers rip ripped out of the

1337
01:00:01.960 --> 01:00:04.320
seam on her side. The mesh body of the tent,

1338
01:00:04.360 --> 01:00:07.639
which is all mesh her zipper side, was ripped open,

1339
01:00:08.199 --> 01:00:11.760
destroyed the zipper, and there is urine on top of

1340
01:00:11.760 --> 01:00:13.519
this tent. And it's about probably close to five and

1341
01:00:13.519 --> 01:00:15.920
a half feet tall, the peak of the town just

1342
01:00:16.039 --> 01:00:19.280
about tons of the stinky urine on it. And I

1343
01:00:19.320 --> 01:00:22.079
was pretty pissed off. I'm a brand new tent just

1344
01:00:22.119 --> 01:00:25.840
got ripped up and shredded. And I don't know why

1345
01:00:25.920 --> 01:00:28.440
I didn't wake up. My dogs didn't alert us, My

1346
01:00:28.480 --> 01:00:30.199
wife didn't alert us, and she was on that side

1347
01:00:30.199 --> 01:00:31.760
of tent. I was actually just talking to her about

1348
01:00:31.760 --> 01:00:34.760
this the other night. I'm like, and we just didn't

1349
01:00:34.760 --> 01:00:36.880
know what to think about what happened with the tent,

1350
01:00:36.960 --> 01:00:39.480
so we taped it back together to make the trip work.

1351
01:00:39.840 --> 01:00:41.760
And the funny thing is where it was ripped.

1352
01:00:41.800 --> 01:00:43.559
Like, as my wife'side, I'm like, yeah, now that now

1353
01:00:43.559 --> 01:00:44.920
I did know what was going on. I'm like, I

1354
01:00:45.440 --> 01:00:47.280
could have had something reaching in over the tent on you.

1355
01:00:47.400 --> 01:00:48.719
I don't know why we didn't wake up. You know,

1356
01:00:49.159 --> 01:00:51.320
that's the only weird you know. I'm not much on

1357
01:00:51.360 --> 01:00:54.559
the wou side of the phenomenon, but that's unexplainable because

1358
01:00:54.639 --> 01:00:56.400
you're gonna hear that stuff that rips up nylon to

1359
01:00:56.440 --> 01:00:58.000
be able to rip it, I mean it's loud if

1360
01:00:58.039 --> 01:01:00.840
you rip it, it's super loud, man, at least.

1361
01:01:00.679 --> 01:01:01.599
For the dog still alert.

1362
01:01:01.679 --> 01:01:04.039
So luckily ari I had their return policy. We took

1363
01:01:04.039 --> 01:01:06.840
it back and got a brand new tent for free.

1364
01:01:07.039 --> 01:01:10.400
Big for SOCIETYHO will be right back after these messages.

1365
01:01:25.880 --> 01:01:28.800
So there's no loss on that. So that was a

1366
01:01:28.840 --> 01:01:35.079
dime peak Wilderness in two thousand. In twenty thirteen, we

1367
01:01:35.199 --> 01:01:36.920
moved up here and bought this property that we're on

1368
01:01:37.000 --> 01:01:40.519
right now. Moved from Oakridge or from Eugene up to here,

1369
01:01:40.559 --> 01:01:41.679
and it was so nice to get back out of

1370
01:01:41.719 --> 01:01:44.159
the city. Spending in a decade plus in Eugene was

1371
01:01:44.159 --> 01:01:46.400
all the city, all the need for the rest of

1372
01:01:46.440 --> 01:01:46.800
my life.

1373
01:01:46.840 --> 01:01:48.480
And so we got up here. I know this area well,

1374
01:01:48.800 --> 01:01:49.800
and we started.

1375
01:01:50.119 --> 01:01:52.119
As we were living up here, we explored it like

1376
01:01:52.119 --> 01:01:53.519
I did Eugene when I first got out here, and

1377
01:01:53.559 --> 01:01:55.199
now that I was living up here, I could just leave

1378
01:01:55.239 --> 01:01:58.280
out my back door and in fifteen minutes I could

1379
01:01:58.280 --> 01:01:59.639
be at wilderness Wilderness, Dgen.

1380
01:01:59.639 --> 01:02:01.360
It was so much to see and do.

1381
01:02:01.480 --> 01:02:05.239
So we decided to check out Huckleberry Lake, which is

1382
01:02:05.800 --> 01:02:08.000
just up the road from us. It's about eleven miles

1383
01:02:08.000 --> 01:02:10.320
from here, probably twelve miles, not very far. It takes

1384
01:02:10.320 --> 01:02:12.639
about twenty minutes or so to get up there, and

1385
01:02:12.719 --> 01:02:15.559
it's this little lake that isn't used a lot. So

1386
01:02:15.599 --> 01:02:18.519
we pull off at this trailhead, really brushy road, so

1387
01:02:18.559 --> 01:02:21.400
you're driving truck down. Everyone calls a cascade pin striping here.

1388
01:02:21.480 --> 01:02:23.079
Anyone that's out in the woods up here and drive.

1389
01:02:23.079 --> 01:02:24.480
You can tell by looking at the truck what they do,

1390
01:02:24.480 --> 01:02:26.719
because everyone's got the scrape mark from these branches dragging

1391
01:02:26.719 --> 01:02:28.280
down the side of their vehicle. So we find this

1392
01:02:28.320 --> 01:02:31.880
trailhead and this lake drops. This lake's in this bowl

1393
01:02:32.199 --> 01:02:34.840
that sits well below the road, and it's backed up

1394
01:02:34.880 --> 01:02:37.760
by this big thousand foot tall cliff that makes Huckleberry Mountain.

1395
01:02:37.760 --> 01:02:39.679
There's a fire lookout up on top of it, which

1396
01:02:39.719 --> 01:02:43.440
you can't see from the lake, but I had my

1397
01:02:43.519 --> 01:02:47.559
boys were probably about two years old at the time,

1398
01:02:47.719 --> 01:02:50.840
so we had them in backpack carriers. Abby was three

1399
01:02:50.880 --> 01:02:54.800
and a half or four, and I usually opened carry.

1400
01:02:55.280 --> 01:02:57.559
When I started hiking with my kids, I started just

1401
01:02:57.760 --> 01:03:00.280
bringing a gun just in case, not scared or about it.

1402
01:03:00.280 --> 01:03:02.079
And it just fell like it was a smart move

1403
01:03:02.159 --> 01:03:04.679
to make, especially where we went and the stuff we did.

1404
01:03:05.039 --> 01:03:08.159
And so we hiked down to this lake and come

1405
01:03:08.239 --> 01:03:09.760
up to it and it's really brushy. There's just a

1406
01:03:09.800 --> 01:03:11.239
big enough spot to get out of the brush to

1407
01:03:11.239 --> 01:03:12.519
see the lake when you first come down to it,

1408
01:03:12.519 --> 01:03:15.400
and there's this really faint fisherman's trail that goes around

1409
01:03:15.719 --> 01:03:17.920
the east side of the lake and it takes you

1410
01:03:17.960 --> 01:03:20.920
through this rhododendron thicket seven eight foot tall rhodendron thicket,

1411
01:03:21.000 --> 01:03:22.920
and you're stepping over logs and you get to the

1412
01:03:22.920 --> 01:03:25.440
outlet creek and you got to walk a log to

1413
01:03:25.480 --> 01:03:28.639
get over the outlet creek to this semi established camp

1414
01:03:28.679 --> 01:03:29.960
spot that's at the end of the lake and it's

1415
01:03:30.000 --> 01:03:33.079
up in these bigger trees the rhoddendron there, so there's

1416
01:03:33.079 --> 01:03:35.280
a spot to put a tent. We hung out there

1417
01:03:35.559 --> 01:03:37.760
and had lunch, the kids splashed around in the lake.

1418
01:03:38.079 --> 01:03:41.119
We spent probably an hour there and I started getting

1419
01:03:41.119 --> 01:03:43.599
that uneasy feeling again. And my wife, I know, she

1420
01:03:43.719 --> 01:03:45.519
was packing up stuff. I'm like, well, you ready to

1421
01:03:45.559 --> 01:03:47.760
get out of here, and she says yep. So we

1422
01:03:47.880 --> 01:03:49.559
put the boys back in the back of carriers. I

1423
01:03:49.559 --> 01:03:51.760
had one and my wife had the other boy on

1424
01:03:51.800 --> 01:03:54.400
her back, and my wife led the way out, so

1425
01:03:54.440 --> 01:03:57.119
I had Abbey in front of me. And as we're walking,

1426
01:03:57.119 --> 01:03:59.079
we cross that outlet creek and we get back into

1427
01:03:59.079 --> 01:04:01.480
the really thick road under and that feeling that I got,

1428
01:04:01.960 --> 01:04:04.239
like when I was scouting some of those gross sites

1429
01:04:04.280 --> 01:04:06.920
over there, it came back on just hit instantly. It

1430
01:04:07.000 --> 01:04:08.840
was like, oh man, I just want out of here.

1431
01:04:09.119 --> 01:04:11.400
I just want to get back to the truck and

1432
01:04:11.440 --> 01:04:14.440
get out of here. And it was so strong on

1433
01:04:14.480 --> 01:04:17.760
that trip that I Abby was about about twenty thirty

1434
01:04:17.760 --> 01:04:18.320
feet in front of me.

1435
01:04:18.400 --> 01:04:18.519
Up.

1436
01:04:18.519 --> 01:04:20.039
I told her to come back towards me, and I

1437
01:04:20.039 --> 01:04:21.920
actually unholstered my gun and took it off safe and

1438
01:04:21.960 --> 01:04:24.079
just kept it out there, ready on the side and

1439
01:04:24.400 --> 01:04:26.599
just waiting to see it. My wife was an eyesight

1440
01:04:27.280 --> 01:04:30.800
and we walked through there just a horrible feeling, absolutely

1441
01:04:30.960 --> 01:04:32.920
horrible feeling. I don't know if you've ever experienced that.

1442
01:04:33.800 --> 01:04:35.880
It's yeah, you know, it's just and you're in it too.

1443
01:04:35.920 --> 01:04:37.519
When you're out there, you can't You're not going to

1444
01:04:37.599 --> 01:04:39.119
run from it, so you just deal with it and

1445
01:04:39.159 --> 01:04:39.840
slowly move on.

1446
01:04:39.880 --> 01:04:41.119
But boy, is it uncomfortable.

1447
01:04:41.119 --> 01:04:42.480
My hair was up on the back of my neck

1448
01:04:43.199 --> 01:04:46.440
and I'm just sitting there there waiting for something to

1449
01:04:46.480 --> 01:04:49.480
come out. I'd stop every every minute or so and

1450
01:04:49.519 --> 01:04:52.039
just listen. I never heard anything, but the feeling got stronger,

1451
01:04:52.079 --> 01:04:52.840
ass the thicker.

1452
01:04:52.880 --> 01:04:54.400
The deep room made into those rhododendrons.

1453
01:04:54.440 --> 01:04:55.840
And we made it back to where the trail dropped

1454
01:04:55.840 --> 01:04:57.519
into the lake, and then you switched back up this

1455
01:04:57.599 --> 01:04:59.480
ridge back to the road, and we get up there,

1456
01:05:00.159 --> 01:05:02.760
load the kids up, load the backpacks up, and I

1457
01:05:02.760 --> 01:05:04.079
asked my wife, I'm like, what did you think of

1458
01:05:04.039 --> 01:05:06.519
that lake? You probably go backpack in. There's right out

1459
01:05:06.559 --> 01:05:09.159
our back door. And my wife says, I never want

1460
01:05:09.159 --> 01:05:11.239
to go back down there again. She said, I got

1461
01:05:11.559 --> 01:05:13.599
the worst feeling coming out of there, and that's when

1462
01:05:13.639 --> 01:05:16.000
I told her that I experienced the same thing. I'm like, yeah,

1463
01:05:16.039 --> 01:05:18.800
I actually unholstered my gun I had all fun safe

1464
01:05:18.920 --> 01:05:21.039
and called Abby back to me because it just felt

1465
01:05:21.039 --> 01:05:24.760
so imminent, so eminent. Yeah, it was unbelievable. I actually,

1466
01:05:25.320 --> 01:05:28.239
years later, actually teased the idea of going down there

1467
01:05:28.239 --> 01:05:30.519
with my buddy, which you met down there, because he's

1468
01:05:30.519 --> 01:05:33.079
had his experiences, and he's actually so frightened by his

1469
01:05:33.119 --> 01:05:36.239
experiences that he hasn't really gone camping since then, and

1470
01:05:36.280 --> 01:05:38.599
I never stopped camping. And the more I know about this,

1471
01:05:38.880 --> 01:05:41.480
a little bit more apprehensive I am about putting myselves

1472
01:05:41.880 --> 01:05:45.280
in these vulnerable situations. But we were actually going to

1473
01:05:45.320 --> 01:05:46.960
go up there and camp at that lake, just me

1474
01:05:46.960 --> 01:05:49.599
and him, just to understand this a little bit more.

1475
01:05:49.639 --> 01:05:52.840
I've had so many encounters with this, and now that

1476
01:05:52.840 --> 01:05:54.840
I'm starting to wake up to what was going on,

1477
01:05:54.880 --> 01:05:58.039
I wanted with some clarity to experience this and get

1478
01:05:58.039 --> 01:06:00.000
some more answers. And we end up having a mass

1479
01:06:00.039 --> 01:06:01.960
of fire Cedar Creek fire burnt through that year we

1480
01:06:02.000 --> 01:06:03.719
were going to go up there. I mean that couple

1481
01:06:03.800 --> 01:06:06.159
weeks later was when we were playing on camping and

1482
01:06:06.159 --> 01:06:09.639
the Cedar Creek fire burnt through in twenty twenty one,

1483
01:06:09.760 --> 01:06:13.280
and it just cooked all that area of Huckleberry burnt

1484
01:06:13.320 --> 01:06:15.119
and the lake around it burnt. I haven't been up

1485
01:06:15.119 --> 01:06:16.960
there since they they've had the road close off. I

1486
01:06:16.960 --> 01:06:20.039
think it's back open now, but I wouldn't imagine it

1487
01:06:20.039 --> 01:06:22.039
would be the same kind of place to go to.

1488
01:06:22.199 --> 01:06:24.639
Plus camping under burnt out trees that have been there

1489
01:06:24.639 --> 01:06:26.880
for a couple of years isn't the best decision to make. Yeah,

1490
01:06:26.880 --> 01:06:29.519
it's right out our back door, and the same right

1491
01:06:29.559 --> 01:06:32.840
out my back door. My property backs up to National Forest.

1492
01:06:32.880 --> 01:06:35.639
There's private lots around us, but we're this little tongue

1493
01:06:36.239 --> 01:06:39.280
of houses that are spread out all on big plots

1494
01:06:39.280 --> 01:06:41.039
of land like what we have. You know, I probably

1495
01:06:41.039 --> 01:06:42.800
have one of the smaller chunks land out here at

1496
01:06:42.840 --> 01:06:45.639
fourteen acres. You know, almost everyone else has, you know,

1497
01:06:45.920 --> 01:06:48.920
sixty two hundred acres. But outside of that, it's just

1498
01:06:49.159 --> 01:06:52.039
National Force. And when I first moved up here, the

1499
01:06:52.079 --> 01:06:54.519
logging that you saw coming up the road that hadn't happened.

1500
01:06:54.559 --> 01:06:57.920
So it was a continuous thick stretch of nice eighty

1501
01:06:57.920 --> 01:06:59.960
two hundred year old trees that have grown up here.

1502
01:07:00.000 --> 01:07:01.679
I mean, you're just driving the trees the whole way.

1503
01:07:01.800 --> 01:07:03.960
So I worked in Eugene at the time, and I

1504
01:07:04.000 --> 01:07:06.519
always did side jobs, so I'd take customer side jobs

1505
01:07:06.519 --> 01:07:08.880
in on chainsaws, generators or whatever, just to make some

1506
01:07:08.920 --> 01:07:11.400
money on the side. And when I get home, I

1507
01:07:11.440 --> 01:07:13.559
would go out to the shop up there, the Red Shop,

1508
01:07:14.119 --> 01:07:16.280
and I would work on these things. And sometimes I'd

1509
01:07:16.320 --> 01:07:20.960
be out there till midnight or later. And as I'm

1510
01:07:21.000 --> 01:07:24.239
working out there, I had this happen eight or nine times.

1511
01:07:24.400 --> 01:07:26.719
I'd be out there working middle the night and something

1512
01:07:27.480 --> 01:07:30.000
would come and hit the side of that shop so hard.

1513
01:07:30.119 --> 01:07:34.519
I mean it shook the whole shop. I mean the

1514
01:07:34.679 --> 01:07:36.719
whole shop would shake it hard enough to wear. It's

1515
01:07:36.719 --> 01:07:39.440
a two two story bar, and essentially, you know, hard

1516
01:07:39.519 --> 01:07:41.599
enough to wear. Dust would fall through the slats from

1517
01:07:41.639 --> 01:07:44.119
the upper story. Adia you know, I thought it was

1518
01:07:44.119 --> 01:07:45.719
an animal upstairs a couple times, so I went up

1519
01:07:45.760 --> 01:07:48.400
there with a pride bar, waiting to cleve a raccoon

1520
01:07:48.519 --> 01:07:48.760
or something.

1521
01:07:48.800 --> 01:07:50.000
But there was never anything up there.

1522
01:07:50.480 --> 01:07:53.679
And now I realize it was probably being harassed and

1523
01:07:54.119 --> 01:07:55.159
chased by these things.

1524
01:07:55.199 --> 01:07:56.880
But I got that feeling a couple of times up there.

1525
01:07:57.000 --> 01:07:58.800
When I shut it down and walk back to the

1526
01:07:58.840 --> 01:08:00.800
house late at night, I got that same kind of

1527
01:08:00.800 --> 01:08:02.199
creepy feeling that I get it that I've had at

1528
01:08:02.239 --> 01:08:06.119
Huckleberry Lake and other times, and once the logging kicked

1529
01:08:06.159 --> 01:08:08.679
in there the last six years or so, a lot

1530
01:08:08.719 --> 01:08:11.920
of that seemed to have gone away. But of course

1531
01:08:11.920 --> 01:08:13.760
I don't spend late nights out there doing anymore. You know,

1532
01:08:13.760 --> 01:08:15.559
I run my business from my property now, so I

1533
01:08:15.639 --> 01:08:17.680
mean I'm already doing forty fifty hour weeks out there,

1534
01:08:17.720 --> 01:08:19.640
so I'm not out there at eleven o'clock or twelve

1535
01:08:19.640 --> 01:08:22.479
o'clock a night anymore. But really interesting stuff, And at

1536
01:08:22.520 --> 01:08:24.039
that point in time, I was pretty well aware about

1537
01:08:24.079 --> 01:08:26.640
what was going on, and I felt pretty lucky to

1538
01:08:26.680 --> 01:08:29.600
have the stuff so close for a guy that's looking

1539
01:08:29.600 --> 01:08:31.279
for some answers and clarity on it, so I don't

1540
01:08:31.279 --> 01:08:33.920
have to go two hours away to find the answers

1541
01:08:33.920 --> 01:08:36.079
for the stuff that's happened to me. And recently here

1542
01:08:36.199 --> 01:08:41.640
in December of last year, I went up to kitsen Or,

1543
01:08:41.640 --> 01:08:44.399
a CT beach area and explored with the kids. And

1544
01:08:44.800 --> 01:08:46.439
there's a little bridge that goes across one of the

1545
01:08:46.520 --> 01:08:48.079
arms of the reservoirs. In the winter time, they drank

1546
01:08:48.119 --> 01:08:52.239
the reservoirs for flood control, and so what would normally

1547
01:08:52.319 --> 01:08:55.319
be underwater is just back down to mud banks. And

1548
01:08:55.680 --> 01:08:58.720
the river that used to feed the reservoir body and

1549
01:08:58.760 --> 01:09:02.640
I took the kids there after Christmas. It was a

1550
01:09:02.680 --> 01:09:06.000
few days after Christmas, so December twenty eighth, twenty ninth,

1551
01:09:06.520 --> 01:09:09.039
and it was a stormy, snowy day, but I wanted

1552
01:09:09.039 --> 01:09:10.920
to get out and do some exploring. So we went

1553
01:09:10.960 --> 01:09:13.359
down there and hike down to the river, parked on

1554
01:09:13.399 --> 01:09:15.319
top of the no cars, no people around us, And

1555
01:09:15.319 --> 01:09:18.840
while we're down there, we got almost sounded like gunshots,

1556
01:09:18.960 --> 01:09:22.319
these sharp cracks ringing out through the woods.

1557
01:09:22.159 --> 01:09:24.199
And I almost assumed that someone was up there shooting.

1558
01:09:24.239 --> 01:09:26.319
So the kids came running over to me, and we're

1559
01:09:26.359 --> 01:09:29.159
down lower elevation from with the noise is happening, and

1560
01:09:29.199 --> 01:09:31.279
I'm like that there might be someone over there, maybe

1561
01:09:31.399 --> 01:09:33.159
shooting their pistol or something like that, you know, So

1562
01:09:33.199 --> 01:09:34.800
we end up hiking out of there. I hiked across

1563
01:09:34.880 --> 01:09:36.560
the bridge. I was going to go talk to these

1564
01:09:36.600 --> 01:09:38.920
people about, you know, making sure that they were shooting

1565
01:09:39.000 --> 01:09:40.960
safe direction and stuff like that. And so we get

1566
01:09:41.000 --> 01:09:43.119
over there and there's no cars on the other side

1567
01:09:43.119 --> 01:09:45.800
of the bridge, and the only road going in there

1568
01:09:46.720 --> 01:09:49.760
is a really narrow paved road. There's no other roads

1569
01:09:49.760 --> 01:09:53.159
above it. And it wasn't thinking about it. It wasn't

1570
01:09:53.399 --> 01:09:55.159
someone up there shooting their gun. Because people are out

1571
01:09:55.159 --> 01:09:57.319
there shooting their pistols. I didn't sound like high powered rifle.

1572
01:09:57.359 --> 01:09:59.880
It was definitely a pistol. It sounded more like a pistol.

1573
01:10:00.279 --> 01:10:01.960
And when people are shooting their pistols still go.

1574
01:10:02.000 --> 01:10:03.239
Bang, you know what I mean. This is just like

1575
01:10:03.520 --> 01:10:05.920
crack crack.

1576
01:10:05.960 --> 01:10:08.439
And then to change directions where it's coming from in

1577
01:10:08.479 --> 01:10:10.560
another portion of the wood. But we loaded up on

1578
01:10:10.600 --> 01:10:12.439
the truck and we went a little further down the

1579
01:10:12.479 --> 01:10:14.279
road in this place called Kits and Hot Springs. It's

1580
01:10:14.279 --> 01:10:17.000
administrated and owned by BSA. Now it's a little chunk

1581
01:10:17.000 --> 01:10:20.439
of private land that's nestled in the National forest there.

1582
01:10:20.680 --> 01:10:22.439
They used to have old Hot Springs house there. I

1583
01:10:22.479 --> 01:10:24.399
don't know if you made your way up there, but

1584
01:10:24.479 --> 01:10:28.119
oh man, it's super cool, super cool place. This was

1585
01:10:28.199 --> 01:10:31.079
right after the ct Beach incident. And so we go

1586
01:10:31.159 --> 01:10:32.880
in there and I always wanted to explore it. And

1587
01:10:33.479 --> 01:10:36.319
they have the whole hot spring foundation for the lodge that

1588
01:10:36.319 --> 01:10:38.159
you used to have. They're still hot water coming up

1589
01:10:38.159 --> 01:10:40.920
through there, and really cool area. We hiked across this

1590
01:10:40.960 --> 01:10:43.199
little bridge and there's these three sided shelters that the

1591
01:10:43.239 --> 01:10:46.039
boy Scouts used to use for their summer jamboreezes and

1592
01:10:46.079 --> 01:10:49.399
stuff like that. And in the mud on these trails

1593
01:10:49.439 --> 01:10:51.600
and these roads that ran on the other side of there,

1594
01:10:51.880 --> 01:10:56.520
there were old footprints, big ones, sixteen seventeen inch footprints,

1595
01:10:56.560 --> 01:10:58.720
there were small footprints. They were all over the place

1596
01:10:58.720 --> 01:11:00.760
and there from fresh to once that you tell had

1597
01:11:00.760 --> 01:11:02.239
been up there for a few weeks. And I know

1598
01:11:02.279 --> 01:11:05.920
people have had run INDs and encounters up there before.

1599
01:11:06.000 --> 01:11:08.520
And I've never casted a track, and I would. I'm

1600
01:11:08.600 --> 01:11:11.039
planning on going back up there later in the year

1601
01:11:11.159 --> 01:11:13.079
and when things slow down, and I want to find

1602
01:11:13.079 --> 01:11:15.159
a good track to at a cast in my collection.

1603
01:11:15.279 --> 01:11:17.640
So I've had other stuff happened to me. I've had

1604
01:11:17.920 --> 01:11:20.560
the classic wood knocks and stuff like that happened. I've

1605
01:11:20.600 --> 01:11:23.680
never heard screams or yells. I've had buddies that have

1606
01:11:23.800 --> 01:11:25.920
and the guy that you met, but I never had

1607
01:11:25.960 --> 01:11:28.560
other than the murmuring that I heard at Lent Meadows.

1608
01:11:28.560 --> 01:11:30.560
That's the only audible noise I've ever heard from it.

1609
01:11:30.560 --> 01:11:32.840
And also I want to note something too, I never

1610
01:11:33.000 --> 01:11:35.439
have had the smell never.

1611
01:11:36.119 --> 01:11:38.000
Yeah, Okay, that's really interesting.

1612
01:11:38.119 --> 01:11:41.359
Yep, and people talk about it, and I have never

1613
01:11:41.439 --> 01:11:44.199
when I've had these run ins, I have never.

1614
01:11:44.640 --> 01:11:46.119
Smelled that smell that people described.

1615
01:11:46.319 --> 01:11:49.279
And maybe it was the way the wind was blowing,

1616
01:11:49.760 --> 01:11:53.119
but for me, in my situations that I ran into,

1617
01:11:53.359 --> 01:11:54.319
smell wasn't part of it.

1618
01:11:54.680 --> 01:11:55.239
It just wasn't.

1619
01:11:55.319 --> 01:11:57.880
Yeah, that's a rundown of what I've experienced that since

1620
01:11:57.920 --> 01:12:00.680
two thousand and eight. And like I always tell some

1621
01:12:00.720 --> 01:12:02.800
of my friends that know my stories that I don't backpack,

1622
01:12:02.840 --> 01:12:05.680
they're always really curious about it. And I think about

1623
01:12:05.680 --> 01:12:08.720
how many nights I've spent out camping and the remote

1624
01:12:08.720 --> 01:12:11.119
spots that I've gone to, and you have to be

1625
01:12:11.159 --> 01:12:14.239
out there so much ninety nine point nine percent of

1626
01:12:14.279 --> 01:12:17.560
the time you're not gonna have anything happen. It's at

1627
01:12:17.640 --> 01:12:20.760
zero point one percent of the time that this stuff happens,

1628
01:12:20.840 --> 01:12:26.199
and it's such an odd ball event that you don't

1629
01:12:26.199 --> 01:12:28.319
really think much of it. People are always like, oh,

1630
01:12:28.359 --> 01:12:29.600
why don't you go out there and just see what

1631
01:12:29.640 --> 01:12:31.880
it is. You have to be in the situation to

1632
01:12:31.960 --> 01:12:33.920
understand it. You really have to be in there, and

1633
01:12:33.960 --> 01:12:37.840
it's just so close to what humans would sound like

1634
01:12:37.840 --> 01:12:39.600
that that's why I think it gets rid off more

1635
01:12:39.640 --> 01:12:42.119
than not as people just thinking they're hearing other people

1636
01:12:42.119 --> 01:12:44.520
out there, maybe more people would be surprised that may

1637
01:12:44.560 --> 01:12:45.479
not always be the case.

1638
01:12:45.640 --> 01:12:49.359
Kevin, thank you so much for sharing your years of

1639
01:12:49.560 --> 01:12:52.720
things that have happened all over the state, which just

1640
01:12:52.960 --> 01:12:54.960
is incredible. Do you have a few minutes if I

1641
01:12:54.960 --> 01:12:57.880
could ask you a few questions? Okay, And the Diamond

1642
01:12:57.880 --> 01:13:01.520
Peak Wilderness incident. We discussed that at the booth, but

1643
01:13:01.600 --> 01:13:04.800
it's really interesting to hear more details about it. There

1644
01:13:04.880 --> 01:13:08.840
was actually a lot of urine that was gathered at

1645
01:13:08.840 --> 01:13:09.640
the top of the tent.

1646
01:13:09.880 --> 01:13:12.760
Yeah, because when the fly got when the fly got

1647
01:13:12.800 --> 01:13:15.159
torn as a full covered rain fly that goes over

1648
01:13:15.159 --> 01:13:17.600
the main body of the tent as most modern backpack

1649
01:13:17.640 --> 01:13:19.600
intents look like this and has this hubsystem where the

1650
01:13:19.600 --> 01:13:23.079
poles cross over on top, so clay creates a flatter

1651
01:13:23.239 --> 01:13:25.239
spot on top. If the fly is not zipped up,

1652
01:13:25.479 --> 01:13:27.680
it loses that tension, so you get a little low

1653
01:13:27.720 --> 01:13:30.840
spot that kind of forms in the top when it's unzipped. Yeah,

1654
01:13:30.880 --> 01:13:34.840
and there was that yellowish urine that was up on

1655
01:13:34.840 --> 01:13:35.319
the top.

1656
01:13:35.159 --> 01:13:35.560
Side of it.

1657
01:13:35.640 --> 01:13:37.239
That's what I was going to ask if you remembered

1658
01:13:37.279 --> 01:13:41.399
any details being in a wilderness individual. You've probably are

1659
01:13:41.680 --> 01:13:46.319
aware of what kind of urine from different creatures in

1660
01:13:46.359 --> 01:13:48.960
the forest looks like. And so this was you said,

1661
01:13:49.000 --> 01:13:50.079
a yellowish color.

1662
01:13:50.319 --> 01:13:51.239
Yellowish is urine.

1663
01:13:51.239 --> 01:13:54.039
I'm the only animal I know of around here that

1664
01:13:54.079 --> 01:13:57.600
would could could possibly deposit something like that up there

1665
01:13:57.640 --> 01:14:00.000
would be would be male cougars, you know, and they spread,

1666
01:14:00.279 --> 01:14:03.199
they can spray pretty far. They can put their markings

1667
01:14:03.199 --> 01:14:04.920
five feet up on a tree and stuff like back

1668
01:14:04.960 --> 01:14:07.960
up to it and pretty gross future stuff. But this

1669
01:14:08.119 --> 01:14:10.520
wasn't katgurin smell like someone's been eating too much of

1670
01:14:10.560 --> 01:14:12.680
sparagus and drank a bunch of beer the night before,

1671
01:14:12.880 --> 01:14:15.079
you know. But yeah, it was pooled in the rain

1672
01:14:15.079 --> 01:14:16.520
plot that was down on the ground, but it's on

1673
01:14:16.560 --> 01:14:17.920
the side that was ripped out. When I tease my

1674
01:14:17.920 --> 01:14:20.920
wife about that, like you're there, are sleeping and imagine

1675
01:14:20.960 --> 01:14:23.439
you might have this big hand reaching I couldn't imagine

1676
01:14:23.880 --> 01:14:26.399
that it wouldn't have reached into the tent. I'm like,

1677
01:14:27.439 --> 01:14:30.119
pretty incredible. And I've always inderstating the idea of taking

1678
01:14:30.119 --> 01:14:32.079
a game camera with me when I'm going out backpack

1679
01:14:32.079 --> 01:14:34.159
and now, but I just I don't know if they

1680
01:14:34.159 --> 01:14:36.159
can detect it. I don't speculate too much on that,

1681
01:14:36.239 --> 01:14:40.319
but the fact that there's just very few game camera

1682
01:14:40.359 --> 01:14:42.000
pictures that are get to be credible enough to even

1683
01:14:42.000 --> 01:14:44.119
want to talk about, I think it would lessen your

1684
01:14:44.239 --> 01:14:46.119
chances of experiencing anything.

1685
01:14:46.399 --> 01:14:50.159
We had discussed Spirit Lake at the booth right. That's

1686
01:14:50.239 --> 01:14:53.079
come up with a few individuals, And I've talked to

1687
01:14:53.119 --> 01:14:56.399
people before I got here about a lot of different

1688
01:14:56.479 --> 01:14:59.039
encounters that have happened in that area. Were you the

1689
01:14:59.079 --> 01:15:02.079
individual that had talked about the sticks in Spirit Lake?

1690
01:15:03.199 --> 01:15:04.039
Have you heard about that?

1691
01:15:04.680 --> 01:15:07.800
I've heard people have had strange run ends up there.

1692
01:15:07.880 --> 01:15:09.720
I mean, he's the namesake of the lake, Spirit Lake,

1693
01:15:09.840 --> 01:15:12.880
Devil's Canyon, all these places. I guess Condesstate from the

1694
01:15:13.159 --> 01:15:15.000
Schnook jargon of the Indians that around here. But no,

1695
01:15:15.239 --> 01:15:17.880
I've camped up there quite a bit, very remote. That

1696
01:15:17.920 --> 01:15:19.960
part's all burnt up in the Cedar Creek. Now, that's

1697
01:15:20.000 --> 01:15:21.479
all a big burn scarf there.

1698
01:15:21.760 --> 01:15:23.479
No, I never I've camped up there plenty.

1699
01:15:24.000 --> 01:15:26.720
I haven't had any run ends up there, but I

1700
01:15:26.760 --> 01:15:29.680
will say the times that I've camped up there, it's

1701
01:15:29.680 --> 01:15:31.880
been with my group of backpacking buddies. We all drag

1702
01:15:31.880 --> 01:15:34.000
our campers up they have kids that are my age

1703
01:15:34.039 --> 01:15:38.239
and they'll be eighteen of us up there and going

1704
01:15:38.239 --> 01:15:42.239
in big groups and backpacking with big groups. There's just

1705
01:15:42.279 --> 01:15:44.119
too much noise, in my opinion, but only happens when

1706
01:15:44.119 --> 01:15:46.680
you're being quiet, and I think smaller groups maybe it's

1707
01:15:46.680 --> 01:15:47.359
more approachable.

1708
01:15:47.520 --> 01:15:48.319
But I could see it.

1709
01:15:48.359 --> 01:15:50.319
I mean, there's plenty of I've have locals that have

1710
01:15:50.399 --> 01:15:52.079
told me and about stuff that's gone on up there,

1711
01:15:52.560 --> 01:15:54.239
you know, And I know that area carries a lot

1712
01:15:54.319 --> 01:15:56.399
of that kind of those kind of stories.

1713
01:15:56.399 --> 01:16:00.079
And the specific thing I want to make sure that

1714
01:16:00.159 --> 01:16:03.520
I remember to put on recording is I had multiple

1715
01:16:03.600 --> 01:16:06.800
hunters say that they've been there in around dusk or nighttime.

1716
01:16:07.039 --> 01:16:09.159
All the sticks that are in the lake will go

1717
01:16:09.239 --> 01:16:11.439
to the center of the lake form a circle and

1718
01:16:11.479 --> 01:16:17.760
then start rotating in a circular fashion, which magnetic field

1719
01:16:17.920 --> 01:16:22.399
or just tie strangeness. It seems like a really interesting area.

1720
01:16:22.600 --> 01:16:23.279
Yeah, definitely.

1721
01:16:23.399 --> 01:16:25.880
I've hiked into Spirit Lake once. It was actually right

1722
01:16:25.920 --> 01:16:29.079
before the summer before Cedar Creek burnt it up there,

1723
01:16:29.640 --> 01:16:30.880
and I just wanted to.

1724
01:16:30.920 --> 01:16:32.640
Check it out. And it's beautiful lake.

1725
01:16:32.680 --> 01:16:35.600
The hike going in there and it's absolutely was absolutely gorgeous,

1726
01:16:35.680 --> 01:16:37.800
huge trees. But yeah, we got up there and there's

1727
01:16:37.800 --> 01:16:40.840
a big meadow on one end of it, and I

1728
01:16:40.840 --> 01:16:43.079
didn't see anything unusual. It is a beautiful lake, though,

1729
01:16:43.079 --> 01:16:43.880
absolutely beautiful.

1730
01:16:43.880 --> 01:16:44.119
I didn't.

1731
01:16:44.159 --> 01:16:45.560
I've been around a lot of these mountain lakes and

1732
01:16:45.680 --> 01:16:48.680
I don't. I can't say I've ever seen any weird

1733
01:16:48.720 --> 01:16:51.479
anomalies with sticks floating around and swirling in the middle

1734
01:16:51.479 --> 01:16:53.640
of a lake. But in come evening time, you get

1735
01:16:53.720 --> 01:16:56.199
these inflows and outflows of air that move through these

1736
01:16:56.279 --> 01:16:59.800
valley systems. You know, So during the daytime, as lowlands heat,

1737
01:17:00.039 --> 01:17:02.119
the wind moves up valley and as it cools, a

1738
01:17:02.199 --> 01:17:04.640
colder sinks back down and spirit lakes kind of in

1739
01:17:04.680 --> 01:17:07.680
this bowl. And so I mean, if you ever watch

1740
01:17:07.760 --> 01:17:09.840
the wind come in on these lakes, you can actually

1741
01:17:09.880 --> 01:17:10.520
almost see that.

1742
01:17:10.720 --> 01:17:12.119
You can actually see the ripples on the lakes.

1743
01:17:12.119 --> 01:17:14.560
It actually hits the lake from straight up on top

1744
01:17:14.960 --> 01:17:17.319
and billows out and around. If I saw something like that,

1745
01:17:17.319 --> 01:17:19.680
I would probably attribute it more to that. I'm not

1746
01:17:19.720 --> 01:17:21.960
saying that these guys didn't experience something so strange.

1747
01:17:22.079 --> 01:17:25.319
Kevin. This has been an incredible interview, and thank you

1748
01:17:25.359 --> 01:17:27.600
for your hospitality for allowing me to come out to

1749
01:17:27.840 --> 01:17:29.720
your beautiful home area.

1750
01:17:30.000 --> 01:17:31.840
The woods are literally.

1751
01:17:31.640 --> 01:17:34.199
Just on the side of your yard and it's like

1752
01:17:34.279 --> 01:17:36.760
everything is right here. And thank you so much for

1753
01:17:36.760 --> 01:17:37.560
your hospitality.

1754
01:17:37.720 --> 01:17:39.840
Oh no, no problem. Is a pleasure meeting you all

1755
01:17:39.840 --> 01:17:41.600
the way from Iowa too. So what do you think

1756
01:17:41.600 --> 01:17:44.840
you think you come back to Pacific Northwest for more

1757
01:17:44.840 --> 01:17:45.880
bigfoot adventures?

1758
01:17:46.319 --> 01:17:49.920
I think it is definitely just beginning, and I don't

1759
01:17:49.960 --> 01:17:52.880
think this is the last time that I will be

1760
01:17:52.960 --> 01:17:54.079
in Oakridge for sure.

1761
01:17:54.560 --> 01:17:56.760
I might have a couple questions for you on this side.

1762
01:17:56.840 --> 01:18:00.279
You being from Iowa, we talked about your experiences that

1763
01:18:00.319 --> 01:18:03.000
you experienced in your neck of the woods over there. Yeah,

1764
01:18:03.199 --> 01:18:08.199
how does it rate for your io and bigfooted experiences

1765
01:18:08.239 --> 01:18:11.119
compared to what you've experienced in the last few days

1766
01:18:11.119 --> 01:18:12.560
here in this area.

1767
01:18:13.359 --> 01:18:19.000
What I experienced just outside of Oakridge has blown everything

1768
01:18:19.119 --> 01:18:21.640
that I've ever experienced out of the water, because we

1769
01:18:21.760 --> 01:18:26.880
experienced things like growl slash screen vocalizations. Right next to

1770
01:18:26.920 --> 01:18:30.039
the meadow we were at, I found a track by

1771
01:18:30.079 --> 01:18:33.439
where a visual had been seen just a day before.

1772
01:18:33.479 --> 01:18:36.319
And then we wrap up there and he was able

1773
01:18:36.359 --> 01:18:38.840
to really analyze the area for about forty five minutes

1774
01:18:38.840 --> 01:18:42.439
to an hour and he found a solid set of

1775
01:18:42.960 --> 01:18:46.840
tracks and these are like splayed how you have. The

1776
01:18:46.840 --> 01:18:48.880
tracks were like really spread out like that. Like I

1777
01:18:48.920 --> 01:18:51.600
actually saw that in real life and I was like, oh,

1778
01:18:51.680 --> 01:18:53.000
this these can be legit.

1779
01:18:53.359 --> 01:18:56.600
Usually those tracks look like they're faked, but like it

1780
01:18:56.760 --> 01:18:57.079
was there.

1781
01:18:57.159 --> 01:19:00.479
I saw it. They were not casted the way that

1782
01:19:00.600 --> 01:19:05.159
it was. What it was stepping over would have made

1783
01:19:05.159 --> 01:19:08.279
it extremely hard to be casted. But there's no doubt

1784
01:19:08.439 --> 01:19:12.000
there was. Did I tell you about the apple the fruit? Okay,

1785
01:19:12.039 --> 01:19:13.920
so yeah, the apple and the orange and banana that

1786
01:19:13.960 --> 01:19:17.640
was left from the group the day before, and that

1787
01:19:17.720 --> 01:19:19.960
we went back and the apple was left there uneaten

1788
01:19:20.000 --> 01:19:22.159
and the orange was on the ground uneaten, but the

1789
01:19:22.199 --> 01:19:26.079
banana was on the ground and peeled and eaten and

1790
01:19:26.399 --> 01:19:31.239
just things like that. Never experienced stuff like that in Iowa.

1791
01:19:31.399 --> 01:19:34.039
I have had some things happen, but like, it is

1792
01:19:34.079 --> 01:19:36.640
a totally different world out here, and.

1793
01:19:37.039 --> 01:19:38.279
You do have to be really careful.

1794
01:19:38.319 --> 01:19:40.840
You go out there and there's no cell service, there's

1795
01:19:40.960 --> 01:19:44.479
huge predators. You get a flat or your car blows up,

1796
01:19:45.000 --> 01:19:47.720
you have to hike back to town at least twenty

1797
01:19:47.760 --> 01:19:50.359
miles and there's not many chances out here, for sure.

1798
01:19:50.399 --> 01:19:51.199
But it is beautiful.

1799
01:19:51.520 --> 01:19:54.079
Yep. They lots of people. I mean, you know.

1800
01:19:54.239 --> 01:19:58.479
The sneaky thing about this area is the access is

1801
01:19:58.600 --> 01:20:01.880
so so good. There's many points of access, and they

1802
01:20:01.920 --> 01:20:05.279
can take you so far out into the wilderness. A

1803
01:20:05.279 --> 01:20:08.880
lot of people don't realize how far out there they

1804
01:20:08.920 --> 01:20:11.920
really are. You have these roads that go forty fifty

1805
01:20:11.960 --> 01:20:17.159
miles sixty miles into these wilderness areas, and your cell

1806
01:20:17.159 --> 01:20:19.159
phone coverage drops as soon as you get off fifty eight.

1807
01:20:19.439 --> 01:20:22.000
You know, anywhere off fifty eight, we're out here. It's dropped.

1808
01:20:22.039 --> 01:20:24.479
And that's just kind of part of this area. But yeah,

1809
01:20:24.479 --> 01:20:26.319
that's the way I've always looked at it is. I

1810
01:20:26.319 --> 01:20:28.960
think it should be approached with caution. When I'm not

1811
01:20:29.039 --> 01:20:31.279
much on the bigfoot woo side of things, I've looked

1812
01:20:31.279 --> 01:20:33.880
a little bit into it, and from my experiences it.

1813
01:20:33.800 --> 01:20:34.520
Doesn't line up.

1814
01:20:35.159 --> 01:20:39.840
I think it's some kind of biological physical animal. It

1815
01:20:40.359 --> 01:20:43.840
seems that's the most logical starting point. I don't know

1816
01:20:43.920 --> 01:20:46.319
if you have any opinions on what you think it

1817
01:20:46.399 --> 01:20:48.760
is from a physical standpoint.

1818
01:20:49.479 --> 01:20:55.359
Relic commented, after experiencing something that could peel a banana

1819
01:20:55.359 --> 01:20:59.560
and eat it, it's definitely a physical creature. I think

1820
01:20:59.600 --> 01:21:02.159
physical creature that can do stuff that science has no

1821
01:21:02.239 --> 01:21:05.279
idea how to explain it. So some people say that's

1822
01:21:05.319 --> 01:21:07.960
a cop out, but I think that it's not too

1823
01:21:08.000 --> 01:21:10.600
bad of an explanation. That's what I'm thinking right now.

1824
01:21:10.800 --> 01:21:14.640
So yeah, that's been my take on it. So my

1825
01:21:14.640 --> 01:21:17.279
my word of caution is kind of Bigfoot's been mainstream

1826
01:21:17.319 --> 01:21:19.800
for quite a while and a lot of people out

1827
01:21:19.800 --> 01:21:22.800
there looking for it. My experience and run ins with

1828
01:21:22.840 --> 01:21:25.199
these things, last thing I would do is go out

1829
01:21:25.239 --> 01:21:27.680
there and start hooting and hollering and banging your chest.

1830
01:21:27.800 --> 01:21:31.199
I think one as little as we know about these

1831
01:21:31.199 --> 01:21:34.359
things and as intelligent as a I presume they are,

1832
01:21:36.119 --> 01:21:41.239
I think caution should be used, especially with small kids

1833
01:21:42.000 --> 01:21:45.399
and being a father of three and camping in remote spots,

1834
01:21:45.399 --> 01:21:48.359
and we still back back quite a bit. I think

1835
01:21:48.800 --> 01:21:51.560
it's really important to keep an eye on this stuff

1836
01:21:51.600 --> 01:21:54.640
and realize that this isn't a zoo. You're in a

1837
01:21:54.680 --> 01:21:58.399
super rugged wild area. If it isn't animals you have

1838
01:21:58.439 --> 01:22:00.159
to deal with. I mean, it's other natural fun. And

1839
01:22:00.239 --> 01:22:02.600
I'm like these wildfires that we're surrounded by wildfires, and

1840
01:22:02.600 --> 01:22:04.720
that's been the norm for quite a while up here,

1841
01:22:05.199 --> 01:22:07.640
and I'm not on the I don't subscribe to the

1842
01:22:07.720 --> 01:22:10.159
idea that these things want to be friendly and want

1843
01:22:10.159 --> 01:22:12.880
to be seen. I obviously if they want to do harm,

1844
01:22:13.000 --> 01:22:15.119
they have their chances with me, and they could have.

1845
01:22:15.880 --> 01:22:18.800
But the fact matter is it's a really thin line

1846
01:22:18.800 --> 01:22:24.479
from what I experienced to actually having physical altercations with them.

1847
01:22:24.640 --> 01:22:26.600
And I think if you do it enough, I think

1848
01:22:26.640 --> 01:22:29.920
you're going to come across it. Like even Ronnie and Dwayne,

1849
01:22:30.640 --> 01:22:33.760
those guys, they've been dealing, they've been experiencing this for decades,

1850
01:22:34.279 --> 01:22:38.439
and you see all uncomfortable they can get in those experiences.

1851
01:22:38.479 --> 01:22:39.720
That should show you.

1852
01:22:39.880 --> 01:22:41.600
So the people that are out there that think that

1853
01:22:41.640 --> 01:22:43.840
these things want to sit down and enjoy their campfire

1854
01:22:43.880 --> 01:22:45.640
with them, I think they need to understand that these

1855
01:22:45.640 --> 01:22:48.279
are wild animals. We know very little about them, and

1856
01:22:48.680 --> 01:22:49.640
they're unpredictable.

1857
01:22:51.319 --> 01:22:54.880
Absolutely, Kevin, thank you so much again for your invitation

1858
01:22:54.960 --> 01:22:57.760
to come out to your property and hopefully I'll be

1859
01:22:57.840 --> 01:23:00.199
able to continue conversation in the future.

1860
01:23:00.520 --> 01:23:03.520
Yes, absolutely, thanks thanks for taking time out to interview me.

1861
01:23:03.600 --> 01:23:07.279
This is the first time I've made any official reportings

1862
01:23:07.319 --> 01:23:11.760
on it, so look forward to some of your podcasts

1863
01:23:11.800 --> 01:23:16.239
coming from this area, especially you know your earlier or

1864
01:23:16.439 --> 01:23:18.520
late last week stuff. I think that'd be really interesting.

1865
01:23:18.560 --> 01:23:20.560
I don't know how much you're gonna put out there.

1866
01:23:22.520 --> 01:23:26.119
The following audio shares what happened immediately after this interview

1867
01:23:26.119 --> 01:23:31.920
in Oakridge. We're in a bit of an issue. When

1868
01:23:31.920 --> 01:23:34.880
I went in the woods Thursday, I thought I got

1869
01:23:34.960 --> 01:23:39.079
horsefly boats, but I thought I got horsefly bites. They've

1870
01:23:39.199 --> 01:23:45.359
escalated into what the Wilderness Guide says. Wilderness Guide I

1871
01:23:45.399 --> 01:23:48.439
interviewed this morning for the podcast says I potentially have

1872
01:23:48.479 --> 01:23:52.239
staff infections in both of my legs. The one small

1873
01:23:52.279 --> 01:23:55.039
doctor's office in Oakridge has said I need to immediately

1874
01:23:55.079 --> 01:23:57.840
go out to urgent Care in Springfield, Oregon.

1875
01:23:58.600 --> 01:23:59.319
Supposed to be.

1876
01:23:59.239 --> 01:24:03.720
Flying out tomorrow, so Oakridge is going to have to,

1877
01:24:04.039 --> 01:24:07.920
unfortunately say goodbye. Two interviews are not going to happen,

1878
01:24:08.199 --> 01:24:12.760
the or the old This sucks. The old timers are

1879
01:24:12.800 --> 01:24:15.359
not going to happen unless I come back tonight. But

1880
01:24:15.600 --> 01:24:24.399
it all depends on what the urgent care says. Yeah,

1881
01:24:24.439 --> 01:24:27.119
so I made it up to Springfield, Oregon, went into

1882
01:24:27.159 --> 01:24:31.199
the urgent care per the advice of the Wilderness Guide.

1883
01:24:32.439 --> 01:24:36.479
Thankfully it was not staph infection. However, they have no

1884
01:24:36.560 --> 01:24:39.720
idea what's going on. They say it makes no sense.

1885
01:24:39.920 --> 01:24:45.199
It looks like something hit a log across my two legs.

1886
01:24:51.319 --> 01:24:54.680
They say, there's bruising. It looks like blood is leaking

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out from inside.

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I have no idea. They've did.

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They did a few, did a full farage of blood testing,

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01:25:02.079 --> 01:25:04.760
which they'll be sending directly back to my doctor in

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01:25:04.800 --> 01:25:09.399
des Moin I'm not gonna lie and freaked. I've got

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01:25:09.399 --> 01:25:11.279
a fever, a little bit of a fever right now.

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So he says for me to go on antibiotics right away,

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even before the blood tests are back, just in case

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there is some bacterial infection.

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They're saying.

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Some sort of cellulatus, one of the causes of which

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01:25:29.239 --> 01:25:32.399
on the paper can be high energy raised. I'm headed

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01:25:32.439 --> 01:25:37.800
back to Oakridge.

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I got my.

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Two hour interview this morning, but I've fortunately had to

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cancel a few because of this this health mishap. But

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we are headed back to Oakridge, back to the hotel,

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01:25:48.720 --> 01:25:52.560
and then I'll be flying out of Eugene tomorrow and

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01:25:52.600 --> 01:25:54.960
then going directly to my doctor. Okay, I'm going to

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01:25:55.000 --> 01:25:59.640
head back to Oakridge. As of time of recording, in

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01:25:59.760 --> 01:26:03.680
late August twenty twenty four, my legs have completely healed.

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Both doctors in Oregon in Iowa are not quite sure

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01:26:07.319 --> 01:26:13.000
what caused that issue, but we are in a great

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01:26:13.399 --> 01:26:15.079
spot health wise right now.

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No issues.

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I'll tell you this, next time I got into the woods,

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I will be wearing appropriate attire such as pants and

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01:26:22.840 --> 01:26:26.119
not shorts. Take care of yourselves out there, guys, and

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01:26:26.319 --> 01:26:28.159
we'll talk to you next time. Have you ever heard

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01:26:28.199 --> 01:26:32.399
all the accounts of bigfoot activity around Oakridge, Oregon, and

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01:26:32.479 --> 01:26:35.119
you think to yourself, man, I would love to get

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01:26:35.159 --> 01:26:38.399
out in those woods and experience it for myself. Well,

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01:26:38.439 --> 01:26:42.800
guess what this year you can. If this is interesting

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to you, stay tuned because it's pretty cool. Sasquatch Summer

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Fest is coming up July tenth through the eleventh, twenty

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twenty six. It's going to be even better than the

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previous year's reason number one, I'll be one of the speakers.

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It's going to be wild. I'll probably I'll say this.

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There may be stuff you haven't heard anywhere else, because

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01:27:08.359 --> 01:27:12.880
let's just say sometimes it's well, you just got to

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01:27:12.920 --> 01:27:15.279
be there. We'll leave it that. More about looking for

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Bigfoot in the Oakridge Woods now check this out. You

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01:27:18.640 --> 01:27:25.159
may know Jason Kenzie from his documentary series Searching for Sasquatch. Well,

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this year you can not only go to the festival,

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but you can also sign up for a track deep

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01:27:37.159 --> 01:27:40.520
in the wild forest outside of Oakridge with Jason Kenzie

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to the Bigfoot Spots to look for Bigfoot. There's only

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eight spots to sign up for this, and yes, this

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01:27:49.359 --> 01:27:52.279
will also be filmed for the next chapter in his

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01:27:52.359 --> 01:27:55.680
documentary series, which is Searching for Sasquatch. This is a

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01:27:55.720 --> 01:27:58.279
once in a lifetime deal. It's just it's going to

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01:27:58.319 --> 01:28:03.640
be a wild, wild experience. To get a ticket, head

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01:28:03.640 --> 01:28:07.560
on over to Sasquatch Summerfest dot com and listeners can

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01:28:07.680 --> 01:28:13.600
use the code b sp like Bigfoot Society podcast in

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order to get a two day pass for the price

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01:28:15.920 --> 01:28:20.399
of a one day pass. So thanks to Priscilla for

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01:28:21.279 --> 01:28:26.920
giving me that code so that you guys can can

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01:28:26.960 --> 01:28:31.319
get a little help with the costs there. Appreciate that, Priscilla.

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I hope to see you at the booth in Oakridge

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01:28:35.000 --> 01:28:38.479
this year we can talk about your encounter. Was able

1947
01:28:38.520 --> 01:28:40.800
to talk to so many people last year and the

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01:28:40.880 --> 01:28:45.000
year before. It is an incredible time you're not going

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01:28:45.039 --> 01:28:46.840
to want to miss it, and I'll see you there.

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Before we wrap this episode, I want to say something

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01:28:51.520 --> 01:28:54.720
directly to a very specific group of listeners. If you're

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01:28:54.720 --> 01:28:58.520
in the military, any branch or forces, and if you've

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01:28:58.520 --> 01:29:01.199
seen something that no one can expe Blaine, or if

1954
01:29:01.239 --> 01:29:04.399
you're a National park ranger or forestry worker who's been

1955
01:29:04.399 --> 01:29:07.399
told to stay quiet, or if you're a pilot who's

1956
01:29:07.399 --> 01:29:10.880
seen something strange down on the ground, or if you're

1957
01:29:10.920 --> 01:29:14.520
with the FBI a federal agency, or working intelligence and

1958
01:29:14.560 --> 01:29:17.479
you stumbled upon something you're not allowed to talk about.

1959
01:29:17.760 --> 01:29:20.680
And if you're a firefighter, paramedic, or search and rescue

1960
01:29:20.720 --> 01:29:24.600
responder who's heard screams or found tracks that didn't make sense.

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01:29:25.119 --> 01:29:28.960
If you're in the logging industry on a remote oil field,

1962
01:29:29.119 --> 01:29:32.119
or a trucker with government contracts and you've had something

1963
01:29:32.239 --> 01:29:35.640
happen that you've never told a soul. And if you're

1964
01:29:35.640 --> 01:29:39.520
a biologist, a wildlife specialist, or a field researcher under

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01:29:39.560 --> 01:29:42.920
contract who has found evidence you're not allowed to report.

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01:29:43.439 --> 01:29:45.920
If you're a pastor, a missionary, or someone on a

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01:29:45.960 --> 01:29:49.439
spiritual retreat and you saw something that shook your faith,

1968
01:29:50.159 --> 01:29:53.239
or if you work in the shadows, CIA, NSA or

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01:29:53.279 --> 01:29:56.640
anything with clearance, and you've seen what the public hasn't,

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01:29:58.000 --> 01:30:01.479
then I want to talk to you, even if it's anonymous.

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You can reach me at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com.

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The world needs to hear what you've been forced to

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01:30:09.680 --> 01:30:15.439
carry alone, and you're not alone. You've got the story,

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We've got the mic see you in the woods. Thank

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01:30:19.840 --> 01:30:22.720
you for listening to this episode of the Bigfoot Society podcast.

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Every encounter we share reminds us that the world is

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01:30:25.239 --> 01:30:28.399
bigger and stranger than we think, and that the truth

1978
01:30:28.439 --> 01:30:31.279
is often hiding just beyond the tree line. If you

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1986
01:30:52.760 --> 01:30:55.159
if you or someone you know has had a Bigfoot sighting,

1987
01:30:55.600 --> 01:30:58.079
please I'd love to hear from you, so email me

1988
01:30:58.239 --> 01:31:01.600
at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com and let's start

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01:31:01.600 --> 01:31:04.439
the conversation. If you haven't gotten a chance yet, check

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01:31:04.439 --> 01:31:08.239
out our membership community over at www dot Bigfoot Society

1991
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podcast dot com and that's where you can hear tomorrow's

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people that are into the Bigfoot subject as much as

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you are. Thanks again for following along with the Bigfoot

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Society until next time. Keep your eyes open, trust your gut,

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and never stop asking what else might be out there?

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And see you in the woods.