July 21, 2025

Spider-Crawling Sasquatch Tried to Ambush Us | Indiana

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Season 1

What happens when a seasoned hunter in Indiana stumbles into the world of cryptids and uncovers a darker reality than he ever imagined? In this gripping and violent episode of Bigfoot Society, we sit down with Mike — a former public safety worker turned field researcher — who shares disturbing firsthand encounters from the backroads of Indiana, the swamps of Alabama, and the shadowy trails of Florida.

Mike recounts the moment a dogman creature appeared through thermal imaging, how a Sasquatch spider-crawled through grass to ambush him, and the night one pressed its face against his car window while “mind-speaking” terrifying threats into his thoughts. You'll hear stories of glowing eyes, primal growls, thrown rocks, and the mysterious “forest people” — including some that might not be so benevolent.

This episode dives deep into high-strangeness, survival instincts, and the emotional toll of knowing you’re not alone out there.If you’ve ever wondered what it’s like to be hunted — not just watched — you need to hear Mike’s story.

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You're listening to Big for Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron.

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Tonight's story comes from a former public safety officer, a

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man trained to stay calm in the worst situations, but

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that training didn't matter when Mike came face to face

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with something that haunts his memories to this very day.

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This is the story of Mike, the man who faced

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the forest people but walked away changed. So stay with

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us all I pick for Society. You've got the privilege

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of talking to Mike today. Mike is an individual that

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I got connected to that has been involved with some

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different cryptid themed research over the years, going back to

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I think about twenty thirteen. So we'll be talking about

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Bigfoot today, maybe some other things as well. But welcome

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to the show, Mike. How's it going man?

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What's going on?

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Then?

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Absolutely, thank you for taking some time out of your day.

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I know you're a busy guy doing lots of stuff,

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but I thank you for taking some time to share

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what you've experienced over the years. Taking us back to

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what first got you involved with this exploration.

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Around twenty thirteen, I was involved with coyote hunting and

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I then I spent quite a bit of time hut

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in nighttime, various farms in central Indiana, Eastern Indiana, Southern Indiana.

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Between me and two buddies, we had had dozens of

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properties that we would go to, and one night in

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Eastern Indiana, we had something happen that made me go

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from being a complete non believer, had no interest in

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the subject matter, total skeptic, to what I've become today,

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which is a pretty dedicated field researcher. We had something

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an anomaly come in to our call that I mean

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later in life, I think I figured out was a

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dog man.

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So, oh wow, do you mind sharing what happened to you?

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In Eastern Indiana that day.

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We were doing a calling set. We had coyotes respond

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to a calling set. In the middle of the coyotes

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sounding off, something stopped the coyotes with a louder vocal.

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We didn't know what that was, and then about it

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was maybe ten twenty minutes later what we found out

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to be later a dog man came to basically just

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the other side of a field field tree row. It

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had come through one field, crossed through the corn, and

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then came up to the tree row and stopped, and

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we observed it to our thermal and it freaked me

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and my honeying partner out pretty bad, to the point

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that you know that partner and I haven't really discussed

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it since he's gone in the opposite direction, was that

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he doesn't want anything to do with it. At that point,

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I kind of understand because both crews we went at

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the point mother said, we worked both in public safety,

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just different sectors at that time, and but we observed

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it for maybe five minutes at the most. It wasn't

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very long. It was quadrupeded the entire time. It was

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trying to locate us on the other side of the field.

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It was since in the air and never visually laid

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eyes on it, I dountbelieve, because it never zeroed in

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on our location, but it was scanning trying to figure

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out Obviously it was trying to find our call, which

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we weren't calling any longer. But with any large predator,

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they're pretty good at triangulating at least a general area

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of a distress callar house, so it knew we were

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in the area or thought we were in the area.

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So as soon as it turned around on the left,

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we left, which then led to a long about a

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year of me just listening to various podcasts and doing

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academic research, trying to figure out what I had just seen.

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What a way to get into the field. Could you

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see how so you saw it down on all fours,

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could you tell how how high or what the height

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of the creature when it was on all fours was.

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Yeah, it's definitely you know, it's over five foot. It was.

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It's behind so it sloped like a wolf. As I've

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described before, it's it sloped like a wolf. It's shoulders

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are over five foot. It's just the best way to

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describe it, is it it's like looking at a wolf

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on steroids, big ears, long tail. To your later research,

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I would call it, I don't know, a different Different

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researchers call it different things, but the different the best

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way to describe it as a soldier dog man or

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an alf like a wolf dog man, but over five

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foot at the shoulders, at the top, at the front shoulders,

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rear shoulders might have been a little shorter, or the

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hind quarters.

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That is that's extremely, extremely intense. So it sounds like

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after this scenario, then you go into you know, listening

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to different shows, I'm guessing probably dog Man's shows, probably

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some big foot shows you know, all over the place,

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who knows. But then was there a time when you

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decided to actively go back and start getting back out

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there yourself to try to figure out what was going

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on here?

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Yeah, So between listening to the shows and that incident,

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it just made me start thinking about, well, had I

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been around sasquatching dog men before? And I had just

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not known it and not thought about it because as

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a kid, I spent a significant amount of time in

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the woods, and then up until that point, I was

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a pretty avid angler and hunter. That's the first thing

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I did is I started thinking, a wait a second

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when I was looking over my shoulder, because I felt

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like I was being watched, but I couldn't find what

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was looking at me.

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Was I near?

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Was I near them? Then that's one of the first

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things that I started doing was reanalyzing my past. And

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then slowly but surely, I was kind of in shock

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for about a year. I didn't know what to do

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with go where to go with it. But it took

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me about a year and then I started doing some

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research in southern Indiana, the ara that I hunted, and

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I'd been spooked there before, which is part of what

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I'd reanalyzed. I was trying to figure out why I

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felt like I was being watched down there. So I

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went down to that location and same vibe, same everything

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that had made me wonder why I felt like I

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was being watched before, but nothing more than that when

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I went back there. But I was more aware at

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that point that we'll wait a second. If it's not

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a potential person that's out here, then what else is

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it we don't have. We have transient mountain lions, we

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have transient black bears, but truly, other than bobcats, there's

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not that many significant predators in that area. So I

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started wondering, well, what is out here that's making my

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instincts go on alert and what is staring at me?

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It's definitely not a coyote. I'm around coyotes all the time.

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They never spook me. So I went down there. But

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that research didn't last very long because I moved down

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to Alabama from that point and the real hardcore research

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started about twenty fifteen, and that's when I really got

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more into field work. I joined the BFIO and I

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started using their database to interview people, and interviewing people

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helped me narrow down properties that were worth spending time on,

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and because of that, I developed a couple of core

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research areas and that just once that started, the things

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really started happening from that point forward.

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For me.

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Now be down in Alabama, we both, I'm guessing we

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both know that there's some really intense areas in Alabama,

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and a lot of listeners might know as well. These

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areas that you were focusing on, were they the ones

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that people you know, usually comes to mind for people

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when they think about cryptids in Alabama or were these

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kind of newer places?

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So yeah, a lot of people when they think about Alabama,

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they're they're thinking I like that. So I don't like

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the name names of locations, even though some are known.

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I don't want to draw undoe attention to an area

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even if others have spoken the name a dozen times.

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You know, most people are thinking central and northern Alabama.

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I've been in those areas, and yes, those areas are

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definitely active. I just recently drove through one of the

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hotspots in northern Alabama with my wife and she's not

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into the subject at all, but even she was creeped

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out driving through, just driving through the area that's a

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hotspot in northern Alabama that a lot of people have

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spoken the name multiple times in the past, But the

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area is actually that I focused on. We're down on

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the coast, right down within an hour of the Gulf Coast,

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which I've found through my field research that actually you're

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definitely in it when you're in northern Alabama and central

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Alabama's northern Mississippi, Central Mississippi, Georgia, Southern Tennessee. I'm not

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taking anything away from those areas because they're definitely acting

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and you can have incidents up there. But for whatever reason,

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it seems to me that the concentration of individuals is

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much more dense on the actual coast, which as I

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get further into my research, brings up a kind of

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a point of confusion for me now because I've crossed

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into that different potential conclusion with my research within the

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last year that has me wondering why a individual, why

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why why cryptis you know, big for the dog man,

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would have a population density based on biology or ecology

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when they have abilities to also not quite being this

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reality or mentioned at the exact same time, which you

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probably won't expecting me to go that well, not far

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that fast, but that's where my research is going.

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Well, Mike, I can hear it in your voice that

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you are an individual that you have come to some

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conclusions and they have really rocked your worldview. I know

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what that sounds like a in a voice, because yeah,

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I've just because of doing this for years. It's it's

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very interesting coming to certain realizations will affect a person greatly,

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and it'll be interesting to hear probably later if that's

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something that you could share once we get to that

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part what the conclusion was. But you know, you're you're

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starting to focus on the Gulf Coast area and was

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there a time that you can think of that you remember, Okay,

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I've I've narrowed down this area and now you're out

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there and you had an experience where you're like, oh wow,

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there's definitely something going on here that is not normal.

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Uh So, I mean it's it started absolutely. I started

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talking to an individual that they had some rocks throwing

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at him. I went to research that area, and so

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I went research on that area and I had me

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and a research partner returned to that area one night

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and we were with the individual that had had rocks

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thrown at him, and uh, sorry, can you repeat that

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question again? I was gonna I was about to go

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into and incident, but I wanted to make sure I

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answer your question.

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Oh yeah, yeah, it's exactly what you're about to go into.

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Was pretty much. Was there a catalyst event when you

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started researching down there that was like made you think, yeah,

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there is definitely something going on down here. After I

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had just had that happen to me.

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Yes, yeah, So many of my field research partner met

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up with the individual that had rocks thrown at him.

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I apologize one of my other partners, which is my dog,

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is being a pain right now. So that's why I

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got distracted. And we were in the area that this

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gentleman had had rocks thrown at him, walking down a road.

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And in this road you have pines on both sides,

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planted pines, probably about twenty feet back ten to twenty

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feet back from the edge of the road. On this

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section of the road there's a bank of built up dirt.

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And it was well after dark well, walking down the road,

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just talking amongst ourselves, I caught a shape out of

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the corner of my eye and I stopped and as

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I was looking at it, I realized there was the

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best way I could describe it as just a tall

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person standing on the edge of that wood woodline on

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the top of that dirt pile. There wasn't quite a person,

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and it was a black outline. It was just standing there.

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I asked the other gentleman, my main primary partner, and

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the other gentleman, did they see that? And they did well.

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In that time period, We've looked away for a split second,

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not even probably a full second, and when we looked back,

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it was gone. We backed up from the area for

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a minute, probably a minute, two minutes, not that long,

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just enough for me to go from what the heck

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was that to being curious, And so I reapproached that

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area with my flashlight on. And between the edge of

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the road and the tree line is a grass, a

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grassy area, a glaciy area. And as I reapproached that area,

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I came upon the best way I can describe it

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as that same individual that was standing on the dirt bank. Well,

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I assume it's the same individual in the grass on

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its stomach spider. I think I caught it spider crawling

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from that dirt bank towards us because it was diagonal

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from the original location to where we had retreated to,

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and it was half the distance from basically that dirt

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bank to the road. When I walked up on it,

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it froze. I froze because I couldn't believe what I

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was looking at. The other two guys were hanging back,

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so they went with me, but they saw me freeze,

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and my instincts, I think got the best. I mean

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because after a brief pause, I turned around and took off,

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which then they took off. As soon as I started running,

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they started running. Actually, my one partner asked me why

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are we running? When once I got to the v

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and I just said, let's go. We got midway down

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the road, I calmed down again. It's like, why are

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we leaving? I said, stop, and then I also started

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explaining to him what I saw. I said, we got

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to go back, so we went back. Of course, by

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the time we got back there, whatever had been in

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the grass was gone, and I just did a bunch

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of Paradelia pictures trying to recreate what I'd seen. We

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went back there during the daylight trying to recreate it.

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We just no matter what we did, we could not

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come up with an excuse or an explanation for what

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we had seen. So I'm pretty sure at that point

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we had seen a sasquatch trying to spider crowl towards us, which,

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based on later incidents, made more sense that it was

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probably a juvenile. Whether or not it was a century

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or not is up for debate, but it had been.

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We had caught it standing on the dark bank. It

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froze as soon as it got the opportunity to not

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be seen at moved locations, didn't dive into the grass

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at that point. I don't know. All I know is

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that when we reapproached the area that was trying to

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get closer to us by approaching through the grass, spider

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calling towards us, we were returned to that area that

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that definitely rocked me. But what happened next really threw

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me off. And now I'm at the point where I'm

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nothing really rocks me, nothing really throws me out anything.

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I'm kind of accepting of whatever. But anyways, we went

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back and the same location, same intersection, same area We've

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been going for a long time. Me and it was

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just me and the one gentleman this time, and we're

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just sitting in his vehicle, and the best way I

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can describe it is my instincts went on alert. I

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felt like I was felt like I was being watched.

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I told my partner, I felt like we were being watched.

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It went from that to just an extremely strong got

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feeling of something that's nearby, something that's approaching. It was

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way more than I'm just being watched. And then the

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best way I can describe it, like I've described before,

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is having someone put thoughts in your mind, which is,

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I know, not something some people can understand, but it's

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it's basically what some people probably describe as mind speak.

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Something was telling me I'm going to kill you, basically

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along those lines, I'm going to kill you you how

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dare you h just it was not a good vibe,

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really bad vibe. I was telling my partner. I was like,

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I don't know what is going on, but I said

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him to tell my partner. I said, he is pissed.

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And my partner, who's been doing research a lot, a

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lot longer at that point than I had, said, yeah,

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you caught him counting coup. You you hurt his honor.

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I said, what are you talking about? Because I'd never

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discussed that subject to that point with him, and at

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that point, this was not the time to have that discussion.

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A whole bunch of stuff was going on all at once.

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I'm like experiencing potential mind speak for the first time.

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I have my partner talking to me about counting coup

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for the first time, I have something approaching the vehicle

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that's giving off vibes like I'm gonna rip your head off.

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It was as a pretty trippy experience, but anyways, I

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told my partner I was like, is he right next

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to me?

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Because I was so scared at that point, I couldn't

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open my eyes. I mean, my eyes were open, but

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I wouldn't look like anywhere. I was like looking straight

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forward and look looking to my left at my partner.

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I was something was giving off such a vibe to

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my right that I was scared to look out the

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passenger window. And my partner said, he's right there. And

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I said, what do you mean he's right there? And

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he said he was right there in the window and

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right you know, just on their side of glasses. You

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and I looked just enough out of the corner of

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my eye to see basically a black outline bottom of

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the window. Bottom right corner, more than middle middle middle

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of the window, bottom side of the window, black outline head.

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I couldn't look well. If I had looked looked, I

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probably would have looked it straight in the face, but

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I didn't look straight over. At that point, I shut

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my eyes. I was scared. It's probably the most scared

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I'd ever been being around them. My partner proceeded to

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help me out. He said, just tell him sorry, to

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say sorry. So I literally started saying sorry. I said,

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I said sorry countless times, probably a dozen times, and

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I was saying it out loud, which I don't know

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what that did. I don't know why that helped, but whatever,

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For whatever reason, that that sasquatch approached the window, it

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had retreated to the back corner of the car. At

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that point, because the intensity level of my fear dropped significantly.

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I had talked to him, asked my partner is he gone,

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and she said he was. I opened my eyes. I

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looked into every mind that we're we're every window mirror.

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I mean I looked in that mirror on the side

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of the car, and he was whatever that was was

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in the back corner of the vehicle. I said, he's

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not gone. I told my partner that. I was like,

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he's not gone. He's back by the back of the car,

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and then I asked him to leave. He slowly put

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it in drive and we slowly drove off, which the

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individual in question did not follow us. At that point

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we got down the roadways, I proceeded to get sick.

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I started shaking, I vomited. I was a mess. I'd

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been through adrenaline dumps before. This was way more than

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just an adrenaline dump. I just felt off physically and

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I was pretty shooken up. I was off for at

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least a day from that why, I was just fatigued

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and kind of a fog for about twenty four hours.

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But that definitely rocked my world as far as research

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is concerned. But that also kind of put the gas

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pedal on for me, because from that point forward, I

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decided to I'm still cautious, but I've slowly but surely

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been removing more and more of my safety protocols. I

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still try not to go alone. I still try not

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to go as far out as one of my partner does.

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He likes to sleep on locations by himself and hammocks

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I haven't quite gotten there yet, but that's definitely definitely

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put the gas on for me when it came to

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my research.

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Mike, that's that's incredible. Do you think when you had

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you were hearing the mind speak thoughts? Was it when

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it was right there by your window?

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I can't correlate whether or not it was right and

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right then or when it I mean, it was definitely

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happen when he was there, but I can't say whether

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or not that was happening when it was also approaching

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or not. I think it was a culmination of when

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it was right there and approaching, maybe when it was

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sneaking up on the car, but it was, Yes, it

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was happening when he was right there, even though I

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wasn't looking at him.

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So the way that you were affected, And do you

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think it may have done or do you think it

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may have had something to do with being zapped or

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it was just a straight adrenaline dump or hard It's

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hard to tell, yeh.

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I I definitely you know, I've you know, infrasound or

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being zapped or their ability to manipulate energy and in

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different forms. I don't know exactly what it is, but

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I definitely think it was more than just an intense moment.

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I don't know exactly what made me sick, but it

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was more than I don't think it was just, hey,

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I got freaked out.

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It doesn't sound like it. That's extremely intense. So you

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were saying that you've been taking off the safety protocols slowly,

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So does that mean then that you are getting to

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the point where you're starting to go out and research again.

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Yeah, I've been doing research ever since then. That threw

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me off for like twenty four hours as far as

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physically and mentally, but I got over it. When it

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comes anything to do with sasquatch or dog man, I'm

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pretty much at the point since then I just shrugged

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my shoulders. If I don't understand it fully, I'm pretty

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open to whatever anymore. I don't openly discuss the subject

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with everyone and anyone, and I purposely keep some distance

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from the subject matter to a certain extent, But as

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far as the subject matter itself, I'm pretty open minded

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and go with whatever anymore. I've been doing research ever

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since that day. One of the safety protocols that I

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removed is I still go alone. I mean, I still

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don't go alone that often when it comes to being

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on foot, being on foot, but I will go alone

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in vehicles, whether that's on a boat or a vehicle

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like a a car, which I used to not do.

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I used to want to have at least a partner

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with me at all times, but I've gotten to the

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point where I go alone in vehicles now, which I

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have to say going alone is definitely a lot more productive.

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Going alone or going light as in not having more

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than three people max, is usually the way to go.

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Whatever we're dealing with is intelligent. Whatever we're dealing with

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is I mean, it's more than intelligent. It's not going

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to put itself in a position of disadvantage. And if

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you're trying to observe it and go into the woods

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with ten people, I'm not saying that they won't play

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with you. I'm not saying that they won't come around.

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I'm not saying that you won't have encounters, but they're

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not going to get as close to you, and they're

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not going to be as willing to approach you as

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they would be if it's just you and one other

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person or just you.

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So when you go into an area now and you're

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trying to see if you can have an interaction. What

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is your Do you have preferred methods that you usually

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follow or protocol or anything like that.

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Yeah, I use depending on that. If it's a new

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area that i've I'm just like scouting out that I

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have gotten no prior reports from, or it's just really

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old reports in the area and that might not be

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for that exact area. It's usually just me and one

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other person are just myself and Will. The best method

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for me is to camp. You can just camp like literally,

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that's all you gotta do that. You don't have to

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do anything else. It's just camp. Or you can pull

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up in your vehicle at a camping spot. You don't

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even have to camp camp, just pull up in your

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vehicle and hang out. Now, you might have to hang

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out till three am, but if something's gonna happen, if

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they're gonna come, if they're in the area, they'll be there.

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They'll usually be there within a couple hours of you

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be in there. You don't have to do anything else.

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Now you want to step it up, you can do calls.

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There's calls that I use, but that's not I found

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that not even necessary. Honestly, If if you're if they're

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in the area and you and they're willing to play,

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all you have to do is place yourself in the area.

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Was the communication you received that day? Was that a

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one time event or I'm sorry, I guess the thoughts

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that you.

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Have stuff like that happened, and stuff like that happened

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after that. Yeah, yeah, it's happened again. It wasn't like

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the same. It wasn't the well it was like the

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first time, but it wasn't how I'm going to kill you.

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That's good.

463
00:36:04.400 --> 00:36:08.079
Yeah, that's happened again, which is part of the reason

464
00:36:08.079 --> 00:36:12.599
why I'm kind of like whatever with it now. The

465
00:36:12.639 --> 00:36:17.960
same partner, different state. We're in Florida. This time we were

466
00:36:17.880 --> 00:36:29.679
in a different research area walking the trail, and my

467
00:36:29.760 --> 00:36:32.559
instincts started going off. I was like, do something's wrong.

468
00:36:33.400 --> 00:36:37.000
It's like, I don't know what it is, but something's off.

469
00:36:38.360 --> 00:36:41.119
He's like, I don't feel it, and I was like, dude,

470
00:36:41.159 --> 00:36:45.800
I'm telling you right now, something is wrong, and he's

471
00:36:45.840 --> 00:36:50.320
like He basically convinced me to keep on going. So

472
00:36:50.400 --> 00:36:56.440
we kept on pushing it, and slowly but surely I

473
00:36:56.480 --> 00:37:01.480
started having that same thing happen, but this time it

474
00:37:01.599 --> 00:37:09.159
was different. In that it wasn't It wasn't coming through

475
00:37:09.280 --> 00:37:13.079
as in, I don't know how to describe it. The

476
00:37:13.079 --> 00:37:16.159
first time was coming through with bad vibes, was I'm

477
00:37:16.199 --> 00:37:19.360
going to kill you, I'm gonna it was just bad,

478
00:37:19.679 --> 00:37:24.679
all the way bad. This time, whatever was happening was

479
00:37:28.760 --> 00:37:39.119
much more gentle and basically it just was placing what

480
00:37:39.360 --> 00:37:41.960
I don't know how me do it. Whatever whatever was doing,

481
00:37:42.000 --> 00:37:44.079
it was telling me basically, hey, you need to go.

482
00:37:44.480 --> 00:37:48.039
This is not you can't stay here, this is this

483
00:37:48.119 --> 00:37:52.679
is a bad idea. I tell your partner to turn around.

484
00:37:53.320 --> 00:37:57.440
You guys need to go. So I finally started telling

485
00:37:57.440 --> 00:38:00.480
my partner because I had talked to him about what happened.

486
00:38:00.519 --> 00:38:02.280
I was like, I told him. I was like, you

487
00:38:02.320 --> 00:38:04.280
know that time I told you they were basically talking

488
00:38:04.280 --> 00:38:07.079
to me and like they weren't talking to me. I

489
00:38:07.159 --> 00:38:10.239
was like, that's happened ex season language. That stuff's happening again,

490
00:38:10.840 --> 00:38:13.480
and it's telling me to go, so, which stopped him

491
00:38:13.480 --> 00:38:17.159
in his tracks. Once I said that, he stopped and

492
00:38:17.199 --> 00:38:20.239
he's like, are you serious, And I'm like, I'm I

493
00:38:20.440 --> 00:38:23.800
basically looked at him and said, do I look serious?

494
00:38:24.960 --> 00:38:31.960
So we turned around. The feeling of this is a

495
00:38:32.000 --> 00:38:36.440
bad idea. Went from a seven, you do one hundred,

496
00:38:37.599 --> 00:38:40.760
and I told my partner to run. I don't know

497
00:38:40.800 --> 00:38:43.800
what got into me. I don't know why, but I ran.

498
00:38:45.360 --> 00:38:49.679
We ran, I don't know, less than a quarter a mile.

499
00:38:51.039 --> 00:38:53.280
We ran far enough that we could still see down

500
00:38:53.320 --> 00:39:00.119
the trail where we'd come from, and we stopped. We

501
00:39:00.199 --> 00:39:05.320
got out back towards a trailhead area, and we were

502
00:39:05.360 --> 00:39:07.679
looking back down the trail where we had come from.

503
00:39:09.440 --> 00:39:12.039
I don't know what came out on the trail, but

504
00:39:12.119 --> 00:39:14.719
whatever came out on the trail came out on all fours.

505
00:39:14.840 --> 00:39:17.400
Whatever came out on the trail was bigger than a hog.

506
00:39:17.519 --> 00:39:22.119
Whatever came out on the trail was not quite a canine,

507
00:39:22.679 --> 00:39:27.679
was not a hog. It was not as big as

508
00:39:27.800 --> 00:39:31.079
that dog man that I had seen in Indiana, but

509
00:39:31.239 --> 00:39:34.559
it was bigger than a hog. And I'm talking about

510
00:39:34.599 --> 00:39:44.599
a boarhog whatever. So part of this incident, my partner

511
00:39:44.679 --> 00:39:49.320
had gone to the bathroom on that trail before we ran.

512
00:39:50.360 --> 00:39:54.039
Whatever came out on the trail stopped and smelled where

513
00:39:54.079 --> 00:39:58.639
he went to the bathroom, and then looked down the

514
00:39:58.639 --> 00:40:05.280
trail at us, and then took off another bush. I

515
00:40:05.280 --> 00:40:07.719
don't know what it was. I don't know what that was,

516
00:40:09.719 --> 00:40:12.000
and I still don't know what that was to this day.

517
00:40:12.719 --> 00:40:16.960
But the more I look back on it, I can't

518
00:40:17.000 --> 00:40:23.920
say that that wasn't More and more I call them

519
00:40:23.960 --> 00:40:27.119
the force people, but I don't quite think they're the

520
00:40:27.199 --> 00:40:31.199
gentle force people that everybody thinks they are. There's definitely

521
00:40:31.239 --> 00:40:36.000
a division with them. Some are good, some aren't, let's

522
00:40:36.000 --> 00:40:39.639
just put it that way. But the best category I

523
00:40:39.679 --> 00:40:43.880
can call them as the force people. I think maybe

524
00:40:44.079 --> 00:40:48.320
a female and that clan in that area had done

525
00:40:48.440 --> 00:40:55.440
us a solid and helped us vacate that area before

526
00:40:55.480 --> 00:41:02.000
whatever that was decided to, you know, give us a visit,

527
00:41:02.599 --> 00:41:04.519
which I don't think we would have done so well

528
00:41:04.519 --> 00:41:07.519
if whatever that was it came on on the trail,

529
00:41:07.559 --> 00:41:09.719
if we had been in that exact spot when it

530
00:41:09.760 --> 00:41:12.119
came on on the trail, based on the way that

531
00:41:12.199 --> 00:41:14.480
it came out on the trail, because it was booking

532
00:41:15.000 --> 00:41:17.920
when it hit that trail, like it went from a

533
00:41:17.960 --> 00:41:20.920
dead run to a dead stop when it hit that trail.

534
00:41:21.000 --> 00:41:26.599
So whatever, based on the way things went down when

535
00:41:26.639 --> 00:41:30.559
we when we were running out, whatever that was was

536
00:41:30.599 --> 00:41:34.039
probably running towards us. If you're getting if you understand

537
00:41:34.039 --> 00:41:37.719
what we're saying. What I'm saying, because it hit that

538
00:41:37.800 --> 00:41:44.880
trail moving and it stopped on a dime. Like I said,

539
00:41:45.719 --> 00:41:48.519
smell there we were in, looked down the trail at us,

540
00:41:48.800 --> 00:41:53.719
and then took off and disappeared. But I don't think

541
00:41:53.760 --> 00:41:55.679
that if we'd been where it was when it hit

542
00:41:55.800 --> 00:41:58.360
the trail, I'd be talking to you right now.

543
00:42:01.880 --> 00:42:04.800
There's a few questions I have for you, just because

544
00:42:04.840 --> 00:42:09.920
I'm not super knowledgeable with the dog man side of things,

545
00:42:10.239 --> 00:42:13.960
so I just want to clarify a few things. So

546
00:42:14.000 --> 00:42:16.440
it sounds like you may have been dealing with a

547
00:42:16.480 --> 00:42:19.119
dog man at this time, or you're not exactly sure.

548
00:42:21.360 --> 00:42:23.800
That's the problem with this one. I can't say what

549
00:42:23.880 --> 00:42:31.440
that was because it was not. It could have been

550
00:42:31.440 --> 00:42:34.480
a dog man, but it was smaller than the average

551
00:42:35.159 --> 00:42:37.920
dog man that we've dealt with, let's just put it

552
00:42:37.960 --> 00:42:42.039
that way. Sure, also more compact.

553
00:42:42.320 --> 00:42:46.000
Ah, gotcha. The other thing is you'd mentioned that there

554
00:42:46.039 --> 00:42:49.000
is mind speak in that scenario as well, and this

555
00:42:49.039 --> 00:42:51.760
is something I'm not aware of. Do our dog man

556
00:42:51.960 --> 00:42:54.880
reported to be involved with mind speak incidents as well?

557
00:42:56.559 --> 00:43:03.280
Uh? Yeah, they are. There's definitely mind speak incidents being

558
00:43:03.360 --> 00:43:07.320
reported whether across species, whether it's dog man or sasquatch.

559
00:43:11.480 --> 00:43:19.239
But I just based on lantis and a few other things.

560
00:43:19.280 --> 00:43:22.880
I don't think that dog man what's talking to us?

561
00:43:23.599 --> 00:43:26.159
Okay, so there could have been something else in those

562
00:43:26.199 --> 00:43:28.000
woods that day as well, with you.

563
00:43:28.199 --> 00:43:32.159
Yeah, yeah, that area is well known for a plan

564
00:43:32.280 --> 00:43:40.440
that we investigate of sasquatch. They're friendly, to say the least,

565
00:43:40.519 --> 00:43:46.400
they're quite friendly. They've gotten extremely close to my partner,

566
00:43:48.000 --> 00:43:54.159
like from within. I don't know how much she wants

567
00:43:54.159 --> 00:43:56.519
me to talk about it. Did you say they've gotten

568
00:43:56.519 --> 00:44:06.119
close and they're pretty chill? That area is usually pretty chill. Well,

569
00:44:06.199 --> 00:44:10.199
let me rephrase that. One side of the road is chill,

570
00:44:10.280 --> 00:44:13.480
the other side of the road is not. One side

571
00:44:13.480 --> 00:44:18.159
of the road is associated with non historical bad vibes.

572
00:44:18.760 --> 00:44:20.280
The other side of the road has a lot of

573
00:44:20.280 --> 00:44:26.199
blood spilled. If you're understanding where I'm going with that.

574
00:44:26.360 --> 00:44:32.639
I think I do. Also in so this is in Florida.

575
00:44:33.639 --> 00:44:37.679
Are there different types of bigfoot down there? Maybe some

576
00:44:37.840 --> 00:44:40.480
that look more like apes and some that look more

577
00:44:40.559 --> 00:44:42.440
like humans.

578
00:44:42.639 --> 00:44:48.840
Yeah, so let me phrase it. I'm no expert. I'll

579
00:44:48.840 --> 00:44:51.440
never claim to be an expert. Anybody that claims to

580
00:44:51.480 --> 00:44:58.920
be an expert, just quit less than to them. There

581
00:44:58.960 --> 00:45:03.559
are definitely experience field researchers out there, and from what

582
00:45:03.639 --> 00:45:10.119
I've I've gathered and been blessed to learn pretty much,

583
00:45:11.119 --> 00:45:15.519
there's definitely different types of sasquatch. Florida's pretty pretty awesome

584
00:45:15.599 --> 00:45:20.239
in that the further south you get, you get into

585
00:45:20.519 --> 00:45:23.000
a different type of sasquatch that I don't have as

586
00:45:23.079 --> 00:45:25.559
much experience with. But the best way to describe them

587
00:45:25.599 --> 00:45:27.960
as like a freaking harreo ring a thing. But they're

588
00:45:27.960 --> 00:45:32.639
not in a ring a thing, and I don't know

589
00:45:32.679 --> 00:45:37.400
why that is. I haven't quite understood why that is,

590
00:45:37.719 --> 00:45:41.400
and the further I've gotten into my research, I'm even

591
00:45:41.440 --> 00:45:43.960
more confused about it. But there's definitely different type of

592
00:45:44.000 --> 00:45:47.840
sasquatch down there the northern part of the state. The

593
00:45:47.840 --> 00:45:51.039
best way I can describe it is similar to Alabama,

594
00:45:51.559 --> 00:45:55.599
and Alabama is the best way I can put it

595
00:45:55.719 --> 00:45:58.360
is if you've ever listened to the big Foot out

596
00:45:58.440 --> 00:46:04.199
Laws or anyone and associated with those guys, you have

597
00:46:04.239 --> 00:46:07.880
your standard Boogers, which I know that's a crazy name,

598
00:46:08.000 --> 00:46:15.599
but the best name for the South, honestly, and they're

599
00:46:15.719 --> 00:46:18.440
not the big ones that you're used to from the

600
00:46:18.480 --> 00:46:23.000
West Coast. They don't get as big as the West Coast,

601
00:46:23.000 --> 00:46:25.719
except for maybe the the Alphas tend to get pretty

602
00:46:25.719 --> 00:46:30.519
big though, But there's big ones around. That's the part

603
00:46:30.559 --> 00:46:34.800
that it's confusing about the South. It's not all just

604
00:46:34.920 --> 00:46:40.719
the skinnier, muscle built individual because they're they're all. They

605
00:46:40.719 --> 00:46:48.920
all have muscle. They're all pretty well built, but you're

606
00:46:48.920 --> 00:46:53.960
not talking about ten foot plus individuals. You're talking seven

607
00:46:54.079 --> 00:47:00.360
to well six foot six to eight foot built like

608
00:47:00.480 --> 00:47:09.320
a mid sized boxer or just a stout athlete. They

609
00:47:09.360 --> 00:47:12.559
can get skinnier than that, but even the skinny ones

610
00:47:12.559 --> 00:47:17.079
are still pretty ripped. They all have pretty all. It

611
00:47:17.079 --> 00:47:18.800
doesn't matter which ones you're dealing with, they all have

612
00:47:18.880 --> 00:47:21.280
muscle definition. If that makes sense.

613
00:47:23.119 --> 00:47:26.480
Yeah, no, it definitely does. So it sounds like in

614
00:47:26.519 --> 00:47:31.840
this area there have been times where it's gotten pretty

615
00:47:32.400 --> 00:47:37.679
violent or aggressive. Is that true?

616
00:47:38.119 --> 00:47:50.760
Yeah? I mean between Alabama and locations in Florida. When

617
00:47:50.800 --> 00:47:55.079
things go south, it usually involves just rocks being thrown,

618
00:47:55.400 --> 00:48:06.079
trees knocked over, bluff charges, growls. Ah. When they want

619
00:48:06.119 --> 00:48:08.039
you to leave, they let you know you want they

620
00:48:08.079 --> 00:48:12.679
want you to leave. It's pretty pretty straightforward. They make

621
00:48:12.719 --> 00:48:18.920
it well known. But that's the thing. It's never gotten

622
00:48:18.960 --> 00:48:23.679
to the point where they've actually carried it out. The

623
00:48:23.840 --> 00:48:27.400
rocks never have had The rocks have never hit me

624
00:48:27.519 --> 00:48:30.920
or my partner. The trees have not hit me or

625
00:48:30.960 --> 00:48:38.440
my partner. They've come close, they've definitely got our attention.

626
00:48:40.239 --> 00:48:49.599
But for all the for all the bluster and show,

627
00:48:50.079 --> 00:48:53.559
nothing has happened. But that's also probably has to do

628
00:48:53.639 --> 00:48:57.119
with the fact that we don't tend to push past

629
00:48:57.239 --> 00:49:02.079
that point because I have a feeling in some of

630
00:49:02.119 --> 00:49:07.360
these incidents where if they tell you to leave and

631
00:49:07.440 --> 00:49:10.360
you don't leave, I don't know what the next stage is.

632
00:49:11.599 --> 00:49:20.960
What I don't know? Yeah, that's my problem. Hey, yeah, yesterday,

633
00:49:21.039 --> 00:49:26.239
I mean with with that in mind, my pop, we're

634
00:49:26.239 --> 00:49:28.000
not in an area where I'm doing research right now.

635
00:49:28.000 --> 00:49:30.440
She's just barking Parson. But I tend to bring her

636
00:49:30.480 --> 00:49:37.800
along as a as an alert. She's extremely protective, extremely

637
00:49:39.159 --> 00:49:43.639
she sees things before I see him sometimes. And yesterday

638
00:49:43.719 --> 00:49:47.320
I was in a research area. This quick note, new

639
00:49:47.360 --> 00:49:50.159
research area. I'm in a different state than I'm actually

640
00:49:50.840 --> 00:49:53.760
I'm back in Indiana right now. Might as well just

641
00:49:53.760 --> 00:49:57.079
say that I travel probably a bit from my job.

642
00:49:57.239 --> 00:49:59.920
So I get around because I've done research in Indiana,

643
00:50:00.079 --> 00:50:05.000
in North Dakota, Missouri, I don't know, I've done research

644
00:50:05.039 --> 00:50:07.119
in a lot of states, but anyways, I'm in Indiana

645
00:50:07.199 --> 00:50:11.360
right now. I'm in an area of interest. I was

646
00:50:11.400 --> 00:50:15.480
down in an area of interest and just parked at

647
00:50:15.480 --> 00:50:23.280
the location briefly. I wasn't paying attention to anything particular

648
00:50:23.360 --> 00:50:29.119
at that point, and the individually just herd growl, was

649
00:50:29.239 --> 00:50:32.280
in the back seat where she usually is, and she

650
00:50:32.440 --> 00:50:35.599
started growling, which at this point, we're out in the

651
00:50:35.599 --> 00:50:39.840
middle of nowhere. We're not around, there's no people around,

652
00:50:39.880 --> 00:50:43.840
there's no there's no reason for her to be growling

653
00:50:43.920 --> 00:50:46.280
unless a squirrel had come out of the tree or

654
00:50:48.840 --> 00:50:51.360
some other animal had popped up out of the forest.

655
00:50:52.519 --> 00:50:55.480
So she starts growling. I turned around. I'm trying to

656
00:50:55.480 --> 00:50:58.679
figure out, what are you growling at? Well, I studied

657
00:50:58.679 --> 00:51:04.719
the area, never found out what she was growing at. Hey, listen, say,

658
00:51:04.719 --> 00:51:06.880
I'm going back to that area because I want, I

659
00:51:06.920 --> 00:51:09.000
need to figure out what she was growing at. But

660
00:51:10.480 --> 00:51:13.760
as my research has progressed, it's getting a little past

661
00:51:14.599 --> 00:51:17.559
just going to an area which I don't know how

662
00:51:17.599 --> 00:51:19.320
far down the rabbit hole you want to get.

663
00:51:19.440 --> 00:51:25.639
But well, you know, I would say, it sounds like

664
00:51:25.920 --> 00:51:30.880
you have come to some interesting conclusions or you've started

665
00:51:30.920 --> 00:51:34.679
to And yeah, if I mean, I am perfectly fine.

666
00:51:34.719 --> 00:51:38.719
If you want to share some things that you've discovered

667
00:51:38.719 --> 00:51:40.559
along the way, I have no problem with that.

668
00:51:44.639 --> 00:51:53.000
Well, I mean, the longer you're in this field, if

669
00:51:53.000 --> 00:51:55.280
you talk to anybody that's been in this field for

670
00:51:55.800 --> 00:52:04.719
quite a while, I tendn't I studied that, say, I

671
00:52:04.800 --> 00:52:09.880
studied from individuals like Kumbo, Baker and bear Off of

672
00:52:10.000 --> 00:52:12.480
Big fout Laws. Now did I work with them in

673
00:52:12.480 --> 00:52:15.880
the field. No, But they put all their research online.

674
00:52:16.079 --> 00:52:18.880
You can learn how to do what they're doing based

675
00:52:18.920 --> 00:52:23.559
purely on what I mean. They teach you everything if

676
00:52:23.559 --> 00:52:26.599
you listen. A lot of people don't listen, but if

677
00:52:26.599 --> 00:52:30.440
you listen long enough, they basically tell you everything there

678
00:52:30.519 --> 00:52:37.000
is to learn to get started, which I started using.

679
00:52:37.599 --> 00:52:40.840
You know their tactics pretty quick back and then you know,

680
00:52:42.000 --> 00:52:45.480
like twenty fifteen onwards whichever find them since. But my

681
00:52:45.559 --> 00:52:48.400
point is if you listen to guys like that or

682
00:52:48.679 --> 00:52:51.840
Canes based out of Ohio. Kane Michael is another extremely

683
00:52:51.880 --> 00:52:57.000
good researcher. But there was a gentleman down in Tennessee

684
00:52:57.039 --> 00:52:58.840
that recently died a few years ago.

685
00:53:01.679 --> 00:53:02.519
Scott Carpenter.

686
00:53:03.679 --> 00:53:10.280
Yeah, Scott Carpenter, another good researcher. If you lit to

687
00:53:10.360 --> 00:53:15.039
any of those guys, you'll as they've been in the field,

688
00:53:15.079 --> 00:53:21.000
they've slowly but surely become more open to the loose

689
00:53:21.000 --> 00:53:23.280
side of things, is the best way I can put it.

690
00:53:25.559 --> 00:53:30.880
And I was originally just purely physical flesh and blood,

691
00:53:31.599 --> 00:53:35.679
had no interest in anything to do with the other

692
00:53:35.800 --> 00:53:44.559
side of the research. But I can't deny what's happened

693
00:53:44.599 --> 00:53:46.519
in the field, so it is what it is. And

694
00:53:46.599 --> 00:53:53.320
now I'm at the point now where I question whether

695
00:53:53.440 --> 00:53:56.519
or not we're dealing with I think we're dealing with

696
00:53:56.559 --> 00:53:59.159
flesh and blood, But just because we're dealing with flesh

697
00:53:59.239 --> 00:54:02.119
and blood does not mean that you're not also dealing

698
00:54:02.239 --> 00:54:08.599
with something else. What that something else is is up

699
00:54:08.599 --> 00:54:16.880
for interpretation. But whether or not Scott Carpenter was on

700
00:54:16.920 --> 00:54:22.719
the right path when he's talking about the fallen and

701
00:54:24.719 --> 00:54:29.119
irrid blood, I don't know whether or not they can

702
00:54:29.280 --> 00:54:36.599
or cannot teleport and move from dimensions. You tell me,

703
00:54:40.039 --> 00:54:44.320
can they or can they not? Use camouflage as in

704
00:54:44.440 --> 00:54:52.480
what you've seen in the Predator movies. Maybe I know

705
00:54:52.559 --> 00:54:55.920
what I've experienced. I know that what I've seen him

706
00:54:55.960 --> 00:55:01.000
been through definitely has made me wonder huh and just

707
00:55:01.079 --> 00:55:05.480
put just say huh. But I don't want anybody else

708
00:55:05.760 --> 00:55:09.280
to This is definitely a journey you got to go

709
00:55:09.360 --> 00:55:12.239
down for anyone that's interested in it. You're gonna have

710
00:55:12.280 --> 00:55:18.280
to go down this journey yourself, because I can tell

711
00:55:18.320 --> 00:55:26.840
you my conclusions, but you haven't been done. You haven't

712
00:55:26.880 --> 00:55:29.559
walked in my shoes, so you don't know why I've

713
00:55:29.559 --> 00:55:33.599
come to the conclusions. I've come to so and a

714
00:55:33.639 --> 00:55:36.480
lot of this, a lot of the things I've clowned

715
00:55:36.719 --> 00:55:46.639
are so like there's they're so earth shattering for some

716
00:55:46.800 --> 00:55:51.199
individuals that they need to experience it for themselves if

717
00:55:51.199 --> 00:55:52.840
they truly want to know the answers.

718
00:55:55.079 --> 00:55:58.239
Yeah, I agree. I mean anything, anyone that goes down

719
00:55:59.239 --> 00:56:03.280
this road will start to experience things similar to what

720
00:56:03.320 --> 00:56:05.960
you've been alluding to, and they'll have to come to

721
00:56:06.039 --> 00:56:09.599
grips with it themselves. They'll either start to have their

722
00:56:09.639 --> 00:56:13.320
mind open or they will start to say, I don't

723
00:56:13.400 --> 00:56:16.320
want to deal with this and I'm just going to

724
00:56:16.360 --> 00:56:20.360
focus on other things. In the subjects that's what is

725
00:56:20.400 --> 00:56:21.039
going to come down to.

726
00:56:22.400 --> 00:56:26.119
Yeah, my thing is, you know, for me, I've I've

727
00:56:26.159 --> 00:56:28.559
made the decision on which direction I'm going to go.

728
00:56:28.840 --> 00:56:39.800
But I don't suggest this for everyone because I think

729
00:56:39.840 --> 00:56:49.280
the deeper you get you start getting into you just

730
00:56:49.320 --> 00:56:52.039
need to understand what you're messing less. Let's just put

731
00:56:52.039 --> 00:56:52.519
it that way.

732
00:56:56.519 --> 00:57:00.639
I agree, it's like you. I think you need to

733
00:57:00.639 --> 00:57:06.639
be aware of the potential of what it could be

734
00:57:06.679 --> 00:57:11.920
as well. Yeah it is. It is a very interesting,

735
00:57:12.400 --> 00:57:16.519
uh subject, And I can definitely tell you that you've

736
00:57:16.559 --> 00:57:21.400
experienced things along the way, and just to ask, are

737
00:57:21.440 --> 00:57:26.199
there any things that you can share that made you start,

738
00:57:26.519 --> 00:57:29.199
you know, thinking that way even and if you don't

739
00:57:29.239 --> 00:57:31.920
want if you don't don't want to, that's no problem.

740
00:57:32.159 --> 00:57:42.159
So I mean, sorry, I stepped outside for a second.

741
00:57:42.239 --> 00:57:44.679
My partner in crime was back there, part in crime.

742
00:57:44.760 --> 00:57:46.840
She was back there starting to growl no matter what.

743
00:57:47.039 --> 00:57:58.119
So we'll outside right now. I put this. I mean,

744
00:57:58.159 --> 00:58:01.480
I was originally flesh and blood. I had no I mean,

745
00:58:01.519 --> 00:58:03.320
for one, I had no interest in this subject matter

746
00:58:03.400 --> 00:58:11.519
to start with. I sasquatching dogman and I've I've went

747
00:58:11.639 --> 00:58:15.280
from one end of the spectrum to the completely other

748
00:58:15.440 --> 00:58:18.519
end of the spectrum. For one, because I went from

749
00:58:18.719 --> 00:58:21.519
being the guy that you could talk to me about

750
00:58:21.559 --> 00:58:26.519
Sasquatch and I would tell you that Bigfoot didn't exist

751
00:58:26.920 --> 00:58:34.400
for one two. Now I'm on the totally other end

752
00:58:34.400 --> 00:58:38.679
of the spectrum to where I'm pretty convinced that not

753
00:58:38.800 --> 00:58:42.199
only well, I can tell you one hundred percent they

754
00:58:42.239 --> 00:58:49.559
exist for one two, while they may be flesh and blood,

755
00:58:49.639 --> 00:58:51.719
being flesh and blood does not mean that they're not

756
00:58:51.840 --> 00:58:56.840
also something else. So I've definitely gone to the complete

757
00:58:56.960 --> 00:59:00.519
other end of the spectrum. How I got there is

758
00:59:00.880 --> 00:59:14.599
just I've just had so many freaking experiences that standing,

759
00:59:14.840 --> 00:59:17.840
I mean, for example, standing in the backyard of the house,

760
00:59:18.679 --> 00:59:22.719
feel like you're being watched. That nothing is there physically,

761
00:59:23.760 --> 00:59:27.519
you can't see anything visually with your eyes, but you

762
00:59:27.599 --> 00:59:33.760
know you're being watched. I started taking pictures. That's one

763
00:59:33.800 --> 00:59:36.000
thing in the incidents where I feel like I'm being

764
00:59:36.039 --> 00:59:40.760
watched but I can't see anything. Let me afraid of that.

765
00:59:40.800 --> 00:59:44.199
When i feel like I'm being watched period, I've started

766
00:59:44.199 --> 00:59:51.480
to just start I start taking pictures of my surroundings.

767
00:59:54.000 --> 00:59:58.360
And this incident, same thing, felt like I'm being watched.

768
00:59:58.360 --> 01:00:01.599
The hairs aren't pairs up on my back of my neck.

769
01:00:02.000 --> 01:00:05.599
I'm like, I can't figure out why the ViBe's off.

770
01:00:08.280 --> 01:00:16.960
Start snapping pictures and I'm looking at the pictures, And

771
01:00:17.360 --> 01:00:20.840
anytime I find something in a photo, my protocol is

772
01:00:22.199 --> 01:00:25.320
I don't just go with it. I send it off

773
01:00:25.360 --> 01:00:30.719
to trust individuals I trust. I don't tell them anything.

774
01:00:30.960 --> 01:00:33.599
I don't say, hey, do you see X y Z.

775
01:00:33.800 --> 01:00:35.880
I just say hey, tell me what you what you think?

776
01:00:36.199 --> 01:00:38.280
Because I don't want to prompt them into anything. I

777
01:00:38.360 --> 01:00:44.559
just want to hear their feedback, you know. So I

778
01:00:44.559 --> 01:00:50.039
don't want to lead them. You know, investigation techniques says,

779
01:00:50.079 --> 01:00:52.920
you don't want to lead a witness, and you don't want,

780
01:00:53.039 --> 01:00:57.280
you know, your investigation partner to be led in any

781
01:00:57.320 --> 01:00:59.880
one direction. You want them to come to their own conclusion.

782
01:01:00.119 --> 01:01:04.360
If their conclusion matches yours, that's great. If it doesn't,

783
01:01:04.480 --> 01:01:09.079
well that's what you want because you want the conclusion

784
01:01:09.199 --> 01:01:13.880
to be natural. So anyway, as I send those photos off,

785
01:01:14.559 --> 01:01:17.599
they get watched, they get looked at pretty quick by

786
01:01:17.639 --> 01:01:20.239
a couple of people. Trust they see everything I'm seeing.

787
01:01:22.280 --> 01:01:24.840
So I'm like, what in the heck? Because this is

788
01:01:24.880 --> 01:01:27.880
all within ten minutes. When what we were looking at

789
01:01:28.079 --> 01:01:33.360
is in that backyard. Basically in the pictures you can

790
01:01:33.440 --> 01:01:38.639
see what looked like it's like three dog men on

791
01:01:38.679 --> 01:01:42.840
the other side of a fence looking at me, But

792
01:01:43.000 --> 01:01:46.559
I can't see him physically, But in the picture they're there.

793
01:01:47.840 --> 01:01:51.480
With that being said, there's a reason I can't see

794
01:01:51.519 --> 01:01:55.039
them physically at that moment because of the fact that

795
01:01:55.079 --> 01:01:59.079
they're supreme at standing on the edge of the light

796
01:01:59.800 --> 01:02:04.159
and they love to stay in the shadows. That might

797
01:02:04.239 --> 01:02:06.760
have something to do with it. They might have physically

798
01:02:06.880 --> 01:02:09.719
been there, and my eyes just visually could not adjust

799
01:02:09.760 --> 01:02:11.800
to seen them because of the fact that they were

800
01:02:14.480 --> 01:02:17.079
right there on the edge of the transition line between

801
01:02:17.119 --> 01:02:22.599
the light and the dark. Well, for whatever reason, I

802
01:02:22.599 --> 01:02:27.119
could not visually observe them, but they stood out in

803
01:02:27.159 --> 01:02:29.800
the pictures, But in the pictures they look off. Also,

804
01:02:33.039 --> 01:02:35.400
the best way I can describe it is they're in

805
01:02:35.480 --> 01:02:42.079
the picture, but they're not which in that. Just incidents

806
01:02:42.119 --> 01:02:46.400
like that, and then listening to individual like Scott Carpenter

807
01:02:46.559 --> 01:02:49.880
and a few others just started me down the rabbit hole. Well,

808
01:02:51.280 --> 01:02:59.480
are we dealing with specimens that can materialize in our world? They? Yet,

809
01:03:00.320 --> 01:03:02.239
are we dealing with something that a lot of people

810
01:03:02.280 --> 01:03:04.639
just can't wrap their mind around pretty much. I mean,

811
01:03:05.039 --> 01:03:10.880
I mean, can they be here and not be here?

812
01:03:11.320 --> 01:03:16.199
Can they appear here and then disappear? It brings up

813
01:03:16.199 --> 01:03:19.920
a lot of questions about dimensions and parallel dimensions and

814
01:03:21.079 --> 01:03:26.400
how can they appear and disappear? And then how can

815
01:03:26.719 --> 01:03:28.840
you know? How how can tracks there a snow and

816
01:03:28.880 --> 01:03:31.639
field and disappear into nothing?

817
01:03:32.519 --> 01:03:36.039
It's some wild, wild stuff. You're You're right, the deeper

818
01:03:36.119 --> 01:03:41.440
you go down, just the weirder that it gets. Has

819
01:03:41.480 --> 01:03:45.719
there been a point in your research, you know, the

820
01:03:45.840 --> 01:03:50.840
years after you had one that was right against the

821
01:03:51.039 --> 01:03:53.960
window and you weren't able to look at it. Has

822
01:03:53.960 --> 01:03:56.079
there ever been a time when you've been able to

823
01:03:56.960 --> 01:04:00.639
have a visual of of what you think is a

824
01:04:00.679 --> 01:04:03.760
big foot out in the field, or has it been

825
01:04:03.880 --> 01:04:07.360
like other types of interactions?

826
01:04:08.920 --> 01:04:13.440
Uh? Yeah, Uh, there's Well, I've seen a dog man

827
01:04:13.480 --> 01:04:19.280
and a big foot dog man. Best way I can

828
01:04:19.320 --> 01:04:22.440
describe them the same thing as the first time. Just

829
01:04:25.199 --> 01:04:33.920
they just look like a wolf. They look like a wolf. Well,

830
01:04:34.199 --> 01:04:38.880
let me I pray that some of them look like wolves,

831
01:04:39.239 --> 01:04:44.199
some of them look like hyenas. Some of them kind

832
01:04:44.199 --> 01:04:47.360
of look different than that. They can have different looks

833
01:04:47.400 --> 01:04:58.119
to them, but sasquatch, uh, you know, it depends if

834
01:05:01.679 --> 01:05:08.360
I don't know how much you've studied. I call them

835
01:05:08.360 --> 01:05:11.719
sasquatch hybrids because there's different types of sasquatch out there,

836
01:05:14.760 --> 01:05:22.639
and the ones I've visually observed all tend to have

837
01:05:22.679 --> 01:05:33.519
a flat face, wider nose. Their face tends to be

838
01:05:33.719 --> 01:05:38.719
very similar. It's their muscle structure and their height that

839
01:05:38.840 --> 01:05:50.239
can vary significantly. Also, their face facial features can be

840
01:05:54.599 --> 01:05:59.400
more narrow depending on the age or the special subspecies.

841
01:05:59.440 --> 01:06:03.559
I guess you want to just talk about. The one

842
01:06:03.559 --> 01:06:07.599
thing that's throwing me off is we run into a

843
01:06:07.719 --> 01:06:11.239
specimen in the field. I haven't seen one for a

844
01:06:11.280 --> 01:06:17.159
couple of years now, but they have a snout and

845
01:06:17.360 --> 01:06:19.039
the best way to describe it as I call them

846
01:06:19.119 --> 01:06:24.960
baboon face. And I relate them to the sasquatch because

847
01:06:25.000 --> 01:06:28.280
they have sasquatch legs, they have sasasquatch bodies, they have

848
01:06:28.400 --> 01:06:36.960
sasquatch arms. They they look like a sasquatch except for

849
01:06:37.000 --> 01:06:44.800
they have a snout and they're not friendly. Well, the

850
01:06:45.000 --> 01:06:50.239
best way to put this, they're not as As time

851
01:06:50.320 --> 01:07:00.880
has gone on, they are more more warrior mentality. The

852
01:07:00.880 --> 01:07:04.480
best way to put it, they'll they I don't like

853
01:07:04.559 --> 01:07:06.760
being around them, I'll put I'll put it that way.

854
01:07:07.320 --> 01:07:09.639
I don't like them. I don't like them being around them.

855
01:07:09.639 --> 01:07:11.440
I don't trust them. I think they're bad as you.

856
01:07:12.559 --> 01:07:15.639
I don't really know what they are, but I have

857
01:07:15.719 --> 01:07:20.599
research partners that are pretty significantly comfortable around them, and

858
01:07:20.719 --> 01:07:25.920
they they tend to say that which I can't argue

859
01:07:25.920 --> 01:07:29.840
with their conclusions based on some incidents in the field,

860
01:07:29.920 --> 01:07:36.519
which is they they'll challenge you, and if you fail

861
01:07:36.519 --> 01:07:41.119
that challenge, it won't go so well. Let's just put

862
01:07:41.119 --> 01:07:45.000
it that way, so you just need to keep walking.

863
01:07:46.280 --> 01:07:47.840
What does best answer?

864
01:07:48.039 --> 01:07:49.199
What does gugways?

865
01:07:50.599 --> 01:07:58.320
Yeah? Okay, And you know they've got the reputation of

866
01:07:58.400 --> 01:08:02.840
being straight killers. I don't I don't know if they're

867
01:08:02.840 --> 01:08:05.280
more or less any more of a killer than any

868
01:08:05.320 --> 01:08:09.679
of the others. I just think that they're more and

869
01:08:09.719 --> 01:08:12.440
more that I've been in the field, that their mentality

870
01:08:12.559 --> 01:08:21.119
is more. I've the best conclusion I can come up with,

871
01:08:21.119 --> 01:08:24.039
this is related to a warrior mentality from like an

872
01:08:24.039 --> 01:08:30.840
indigenous tribe. They're going to challenge you. Well, that's the

873
01:08:30.880 --> 01:08:34.039
other thing. Whether you're dealing with them dog man sasquatch.

874
01:08:37.000 --> 01:08:39.279
If you put yourself in a situation in which you

875
01:08:39.319 --> 01:08:52.000
can disappear without a trace and reason for your disappearance

876
01:08:52.119 --> 01:09:04.479
can be blamed on other occurrences and no negative repercussions

877
01:09:04.479 --> 01:09:08.960
are likely to occur in that area for the individual

878
01:09:09.000 --> 01:09:14.319
in question, you might disappear, So it's best you just

879
01:09:14.359 --> 01:09:19.199
don't put yourself in that type of situation, whether you're

880
01:09:19.199 --> 01:09:23.319
dealing with them or any of the others.

881
01:09:25.079 --> 01:09:29.439
I think that makes sense. It's just people have to

882
01:09:29.439 --> 01:09:31.600
be really careful. There's a lot of people that reach

883
01:09:31.600 --> 01:09:33.119
out to me and they're like, hey, can you give

884
01:09:33.159 --> 01:09:36.800
me advice? And my number one advice is, don't go

885
01:09:36.920 --> 01:09:40.680
up with yourself. Try to find a group that you know,

886
01:09:40.880 --> 01:09:44.399
like the woodwalkers down in the South, those are good guys.

887
01:09:44.439 --> 01:09:47.199
And find people you can trust so that when you're

888
01:09:47.199 --> 01:09:49.840
out there, you got people that you know can have

889
01:09:49.960 --> 01:09:52.600
your back. Like you say, you go out with people

890
01:09:53.039 --> 01:09:57.319
sometimes you know, yeah, Like I know what I'm doing.

891
01:09:57.560 --> 01:09:59.960
I know the path I'm going down when I'm going

892
01:10:00.279 --> 01:10:04.800
myself is not the safest route. But I've been doing

893
01:10:04.840 --> 01:10:12.560
this for years and I understand what I'm doing. Like

894
01:10:12.680 --> 01:10:19.239
I comprehend the risks I'm taking. Now, do I recommend

895
01:10:19.239 --> 01:10:23.760
those to anyone? No, I don't. I strongly suggest anyone

896
01:10:23.800 --> 01:10:28.119
that's involved in this field that you'll always go with

897
01:10:28.239 --> 01:10:33.760
the partner. I strongly suggest that you'll always make it

898
01:10:33.840 --> 01:10:37.119
known you know where you're going, what you're doing, when

899
01:10:37.119 --> 01:10:40.640
you're going to come back, you know, just a standard

900
01:10:41.199 --> 01:10:43.880
just like you would with any hiking plan. You know,

901
01:10:43.920 --> 01:10:46.640
you need to leave your research playing with someone. Now,

902
01:10:48.000 --> 01:10:49.600
I understand some people are gonna be like, well, I

903
01:10:49.600 --> 01:10:52.600
don't want them to know where I'm going what I'm doing. Well,

904
01:10:54.319 --> 01:10:57.359
you don't have to tell them you're doing research, you know.

905
01:10:57.800 --> 01:11:00.359
Just make sure someone knows where you went, where you

906
01:11:00.439 --> 01:11:04.960
were when you're coming back, and make sure you have

907
01:11:05.000 --> 01:11:07.279
a partner with you to make sure you take other

908
01:11:07.319 --> 01:11:11.920
precautions when you're out there. A lot of people tend

909
01:11:11.920 --> 01:11:15.479
to think that they're more dangerous than the others, and

910
01:11:15.640 --> 01:11:21.199
I have come to the conclusion that I don't think

911
01:11:21.239 --> 01:11:25.960
it's really a species question as much of it as

912
01:11:26.079 --> 01:11:30.439
as an individual question, Like you can run into bad,

913
01:11:31.760 --> 01:11:37.239
bad situations with any of them and it doesn't it

914
01:11:37.279 --> 01:11:39.880
doesn't matter which species you're dealing with. It matters on

915
01:11:40.199 --> 01:11:43.159
who which ones you're dealing with, and what situations you're

916
01:11:43.199 --> 01:11:48.039
dealing with them in and how you react in those situations.

917
01:11:48.119 --> 01:11:52.279
There's more to it than just a Gugley's bad Sasquatch

918
01:11:52.319 --> 01:11:59.239
good dog being bad Sasquatch good. Now there's there's killers

919
01:11:59.239 --> 01:11:59.960
in all of them.

920
01:12:00.399 --> 01:12:04.479
Mike, this has been a really fascinating conversation. You know,

921
01:12:04.520 --> 01:12:06.560
as we have a few minutes left, I want to

922
01:12:06.600 --> 01:12:10.000
make sure that you're able to, you know, share everything

923
01:12:10.039 --> 01:12:13.199
that you'd want to share today in that I you know,

924
01:12:14.399 --> 01:12:17.399
you're not left wishing you could have said something else.

925
01:12:19.520 --> 01:12:22.479
Uh No, I mean, I'm just doing this field research

926
01:12:25.760 --> 01:12:31.079
from my own conclusions. I've a pretty low key social

927
01:12:31.159 --> 01:12:36.920
media profile. I do have, you know, my interdimensional wisdom

928
01:12:37.279 --> 01:12:43.039
that I'm slowly but surely been putting content out on

929
01:12:43.840 --> 01:12:47.119
through TikTok and YouTube. I the reason I'm on your

930
01:12:47.159 --> 01:12:56.800
podcast is I'm becoming more open to hoping that I

931
01:12:56.800 --> 01:13:02.319
can help someone out. You know, if anybody's had an

932
01:13:02.319 --> 01:13:04.239
incident and they don't know where to go with this,

933
01:13:06.119 --> 01:13:10.800
or they want answers and they don't know where to

934
01:13:10.840 --> 01:13:14.199
get answers. That's the reason I'm becoming more open about

935
01:13:14.199 --> 01:13:17.439
talking about the subject because that's how I learned initially.

936
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So that's the reason I'm on your podcast now. I

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will say I'm not naturally inclined to talking openly about

938
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this subject matter. And I totally understand if somebody listens

939
01:13:35.199 --> 01:13:37.439
to what I said and they're like, holy crap, that

940
01:13:37.520 --> 01:13:46.159
guy's nuts, because that, for one, I I mean, that's

941
01:13:46.199 --> 01:13:49.600
just the natural conclusion when you listen to it. But

942
01:13:50.640 --> 01:13:52.800
you got to be in the field and truly understand

943
01:13:52.840 --> 01:13:57.319
this subject matter to understand why I'm saying the things

944
01:13:57.319 --> 01:13:59.680
I'm saying. If it makes any sense.

945
01:14:00.640 --> 01:14:04.079
What's the name of your TikTok again, so people can

946
01:14:04.279 --> 01:14:04.880
check that out.

947
01:14:06.920 --> 01:14:10.600
Inner dimensional wisdom I went and took just because of

948
01:14:10.640 --> 01:14:12.319
the craft that I've seen in the field. I went

949
01:14:13.319 --> 01:14:16.119
my prior public safety job I had to do with

950
01:14:16.199 --> 01:14:18.560
psyche vowels, and I went back and did the psychic

951
01:14:18.640 --> 01:14:22.439
vowel because of this crap, just to make sure that

952
01:14:22.479 --> 01:14:29.119
I hadn't gone nuts, which according to them, I'm not.

953
01:14:29.720 --> 01:14:37.960
But I would definitely I want to say this, I

954
01:14:38.000 --> 01:14:42.359
would strongly caution anyone that's wanting to get involved in

955
01:14:42.359 --> 01:14:47.159
this subject matter because you need to know what you're

956
01:14:47.199 --> 01:14:51.159
getting involved in, and you need to make a decision

957
01:14:52.680 --> 01:14:57.159
within yourself on how far down the rabbit hole you

958
01:14:57.199 --> 01:15:00.159
want to go, because you can go as deep as

959
01:15:00.199 --> 01:15:03.840
you want, but you need to understand that the deeper

960
01:15:03.880 --> 01:15:08.439
you get, you're going to start getting into some pretty

961
01:15:11.000 --> 01:15:13.119
They're going to get into subject matters that are gonna

962
01:15:13.680 --> 01:15:18.600
make you question like life and the world around you

963
01:15:18.640 --> 01:15:23.279
pretty much, and not everyone's prepared to go that far.

964
01:15:24.000 --> 01:15:28.079
So you just need to know what you're getting involved

965
01:15:28.079 --> 01:15:32.479
in when it comes to this research. And if you

966
01:15:32.520 --> 01:15:36.840
just want to go out in the field to have encounters,

967
01:15:37.079 --> 01:15:41.319
that's great, But if you want to go further than that,

968
01:15:41.840 --> 01:15:45.560
it can get you can get pretty complicated, and it

969
01:15:45.560 --> 01:15:49.640
can also get dark and dangerous, to say the least.

970
01:15:51.000 --> 01:15:55.560
I think that is a great way to put it. Definitely,

971
01:15:55.560 --> 01:15:58.760
you should give people enough to realize they need to

972
01:15:58.800 --> 01:16:02.640
be aware of what could happen, and combining that with

973
01:16:02.720 --> 01:16:06.800
other episodes I've done, listeners can definitely figure that out.

974
01:16:06.920 --> 01:16:09.960
But you know, Mike, thank you so much for coming

975
01:16:10.039 --> 01:16:13.520
on the show today. It's been a pleasure chatting with you,

976
01:16:13.560 --> 01:16:18.399
and hopefully maybe we'll have to keep in touch and

977
01:16:18.840 --> 01:16:20.520
see where things lead you in the future.

978
01:16:21.800 --> 01:16:26.920
Yep, yep. I appreciate the opportunity. Maybe I'll come on

979
01:16:27.000 --> 01:16:32.399
later and tell more more encounters, because I definitely have more,

980
01:16:32.600 --> 01:16:34.520
but I appreciate the opportunity.

981
01:16:35.159 --> 01:16:36.640
Just want to take a minute to say thank you

982
01:16:36.680 --> 01:16:39.359
for listening to this episode of the Big for Society podcast.

983
01:16:39.479 --> 01:16:41.800
Mike's story is one of the most intents we've ever heard,

984
01:16:41.960 --> 01:16:44.800
not just because of the spider crawling or the blacked

985
01:16:44.800 --> 01:16:47.520
out face at the car window, but because of what

986
01:16:47.560 --> 01:16:51.239
it really reveals about the intelligence and possible intentions of

987
01:16:51.279 --> 01:16:54.399
the beings in the woods. It's a huge thanks to

988
01:16:54.439 --> 01:16:56.680
Mike for having the courage to speak up its stories

989
01:16:56.800 --> 01:16:58.920
like his that remind us once you see something you

990
01:16:58.960 --> 01:17:03.039
can't explain, your whole world changes. If you enjoy this conversation,

991
01:17:03.119 --> 01:17:05.439
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994
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995
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996
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997
01:17:19.399 --> 01:17:22.239
And if you've had a Bigfoot encounter, especially in Indiana, Alabama,

998
01:17:22.439 --> 01:17:24.880
or Florida. I'd love to hear from you, so please

999
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Thanks again for being part of the big FORA society.

1001
01:17:29.880 --> 01:17:32.840
Until next time, keep your eyes open, trust your instincts,

1002
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and never stop asking what else might be out there?

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And see you in the woods.