Spider-Crawling Sasquatch Tried to Ambush Us | Indiana

0:00 You're listening to Big for Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron. Tonight's story comes from a former public safety officer, a man trained to stay calm in the worst situations, but that training didn't matter when Mike came face to face with something that haunts his memories to this very day. This is the story of Mike, the man who faced the forest people but walked away changed. So stay with us all I pick for Society. You've got the privilege of talking to Mike today. Mike is an individual that I got connected to that has been involved with some different cryptid themed research over the years, going back to I think about twenty thirteen. So we'll be talking about Bigfoot today, maybe some other things as well. But welcome to the show, Mike. How's it going man?

0:46 What's going on? Then? Absolutely, thank you for taking some time out of your day. I know you're a busy guy doing lots of stuff, but I thank you for taking some time to share what you've experienced over the years. Taking us back to what first got you involved with this exploration. Around twenty thirteen, I was involved with coyote hunting and I then I spent quite a bit of time hut in nighttime, various farms in central Indiana, Eastern Indiana, Southern Indiana.

1:28 Between me and two buddies, we had had dozens of properties that we would go to, and one night in Eastern Indiana, we had something happen that made me go from being a complete non believer, had no interest in the subject matter, total skeptic, to what I've become today, which is a pretty dedicated field researcher. We had something an anomaly come in to our call that I mean later in life, I think I figured out was a dog man.

2:08 So, oh wow, do you mind sharing what happened to you? In Eastern Indiana that day. We were doing a calling set. We had coyotes respond to a calling set. In the middle of the coyotes sounding off, something stopped the coyotes with a louder vocal. We didn't know what that was, and then about it was maybe ten twenty minutes later what we found out to be later a dog man came to basically just the other side of a field field tree row. It had come through one field, crossed through the corn, and then came up to the tree row and stopped, and we observed it to our thermal and it freaked me and my honeying partner out pretty bad, to the point that you know that partner and I haven't really discussed it since he's gone in the opposite direction, was that he doesn't want anything to do with it. At that point, I kind of understand because both crews we went at the point mother said, we worked both in public safety, just different sectors at that time, and but we observed

3:42 it for maybe five minutes at the most. It wasn't very long. It was quadrupeded the entire time. It was trying to locate us on the other side of the field. It was since in the air and never visually laid eyes on it, I dountbelieve, because it never zeroed in on our location, but it was scanning trying to figure out Obviously it was trying to find our call, which we weren't calling any longer. But with any large predator, they're pretty good at triangulating at least a general area of a distress callar house, so it knew we were in the area or thought we were in the area.

4:33 So as soon as it turned around on the left, we left, which then led to a long about a year of me just listening to various podcasts and doing academic research, trying to figure out what I had just seen. What a way to get into the field. Could you see how so you saw it down on all fours, could you tell how how high or what the height of the creature when it was on all fours was. Yeah, it's definitely you know, it's over five foot. It was.

5:14 It's behind so it sloped like a wolf. As I've described before, it's it sloped like a wolf. It's shoulders are over five foot. It's just the best way to describe it, is it it's like looking at a wolf on steroids, big ears, long tail. To your later research, I would call it, I don't know, a different Different researchers call it different things, but the different the best way to describe it as a soldier dog man or an alf like a wolf dog man, but over five foot at the shoulders, at the top, at the front shoulders, rear shoulders might have been a little shorter, or the hind quarters.

6:12 That is that's extremely, extremely intense. So it sounds like after this scenario, then you go into you know, listening to different shows, I'm guessing probably dog Man's shows, probably some big foot shows you know, all over the place, who knows. But then was there a time when you decided to actively go back and start getting back out there yourself to try to figure out what was going on here? Yeah, So between listening to the shows and that incident, it just made me start thinking about, well, had I been around sasquatching dog men before? And I had just not known it and not thought about it because as a kid, I spent a significant amount of time in the woods, and then up until that point, I was a pretty avid angler and hunter. That's the first thing I did is I started thinking, a wait a second when I was looking over my shoulder, because I felt like I was being watched, but I couldn't find what was looking at me.

7:36 Was I near? Was I near them? Then that's one of the first things that I started doing was reanalyzing my past. And then slowly but surely, I was kind of in shock for about a year. I didn't know what to do with go where to go with it. But it took me about a year and then I started doing some research in southern Indiana, the ara that I hunted, and I'd been spooked there before, which is part of what I'd reanalyzed. I was trying to figure out why I felt like I was being watched down there. So I went down to that location and same vibe, same everything that had made me wonder why I felt like I was being watched before, but nothing more than that when I went back there. But I was more aware at that point that we'll wait a second. If it's not a potential person that's out here, then what else is it we don't have. We have transient mountain lions, we have transient black bears, but truly, other than bobcats, there's not that many significant predators in that area. So I started wondering, well, what is out here that's making my instincts go on alert and what is staring at me?

9:06 It's definitely not a coyote. I'm around coyotes all the time. They never spook me. So I went down there. But that research didn't last very long because I moved down to Alabama from that point and the real hardcore research started about twenty fifteen, and that's when I really got more into field work. I joined the BFIO and I started using their database to interview people, and interviewing people helped me narrow down properties that were worth spending time on, and because of that, I developed a couple of core research areas and that just once that started, the things really started happening from that point forward.

10:06 For me. Now be down in Alabama, we both, I'm guessing we both know that there's some really intense areas in Alabama, and a lot of listeners might know as well. These areas that you were focusing on, were they the ones that people you know, usually comes to mind for people when they think about cryptids in Alabama or were these kind of newer places? So yeah, a lot of people when they think about Alabama, they're they're thinking I like that. So I don't like the name names of locations, even though some are known.

10:47 I don't want to draw undoe attention to an area even if others have spoken the name a dozen times. You know, most people are thinking central and northern Alabama. I've been in those areas, and yes, those areas are definitely active. I just recently drove through one of the hotspots in northern Alabama with my wife and she's not into the subject at all, but even she was creeped out driving through, just driving through the area that's a hotspot in northern Alabama that a lot of people have spoken the name multiple times in the past, But the area is actually that I focused on. We're down on the coast, right down within an hour of the Gulf Coast, which I've found through my field research that actually you're definitely in it when you're in northern Alabama and central Alabama's northern Mississippi, Central Mississippi, Georgia, Southern Tennessee. I'm not taking anything away from those areas because they're definitely acting and you can have incidents up there. But for whatever reason, it seems to me that the concentration of individuals is much more dense on the actual coast, which as I get further into my research, brings up a kind of

12:20 a point of confusion for me now because I've crossed into that different potential conclusion with my research within the last year that has me wondering why a individual, why why why cryptis you know, big for the dog man, would have a population density based on biology or ecology when they have abilities to also not quite being this reality or mentioned at the exact same time, which you probably won't expecting me to go that well, not far that fast, but that's where my research is going.

13:08 Well, Mike, I can hear it in your voice that you are an individual that you have come to some conclusions and they have really rocked your worldview. I know what that sounds like a in a voice, because yeah, I've just because of doing this for years. It's it's very interesting coming to certain realizations will affect a person greatly, and it'll be interesting to hear probably later if that's something that you could share once we get to that part what the conclusion was. But you know, you're you're starting to focus on the Gulf Coast area and was there a time that you can think of that you remember, Okay, I've I've narrowed down this area and now you're out there and you had an experience where you're like, oh wow, there's definitely something going on here that is not normal.

14:09 Uh So, I mean it's it started absolutely. I started talking to an individual that they had some rocks throwing at him. I went to research that area, and so I went research on that area and I had me and a research partner returned to that area one night and we were with the individual that had had rocks thrown at him, and uh, sorry, can you repeat that question again? I was gonna I was about to go into and incident, but I wanted to make sure I answer your question.

15:02 Oh yeah, yeah, it's exactly what you're about to go into. Was pretty much. Was there a catalyst event when you started researching down there that was like made you think, yeah, there is definitely something going on down here. After I had just had that happen to me. Yes, yeah, So many of my field research partner met up with the individual that had rocks thrown at him. I apologize one of my other partners, which is my dog, is being a pain right now. So that's why I got distracted. And we were in the area that this gentleman had had rocks thrown at him, walking down a road.

15:48 And in this road you have pines on both sides, planted pines, probably about twenty feet back ten to twenty feet back from the edge of the road. On this section of the road there's a bank of built up dirt. And it was well after dark well, walking down the road, just talking amongst ourselves, I caught a shape out of the corner of my eye and I stopped and as I was looking at it, I realized there was the best way I could describe it as just a tall person standing on the edge of that wood woodline on the top of that dirt pile. There wasn't quite a person, and it was a black outline. It was just standing there.

16:43 I asked the other gentleman, my main primary partner, and the other gentleman, did they see that? And they did well. In that time period, We've looked away for a split second, not even probably a full second, and when we looked back, it was gone. We backed up from the area for a minute, probably a minute, two minutes, not that long, just enough for me to go from what the heck was that to being curious, And so I reapproached that area with my flashlight on. And between the edge of the road and the tree line is a grass, a grassy area, a glaciy area. And as I reapproached that area, I came upon the best way I can describe it as that same individual that was standing on the dirt bank. Well, I assume it's the same individual in the grass on its stomach spider. I think I caught it spider crawling from that dirt bank towards us because it was diagonal from the original location to where we had retreated to,

18:14 and it was half the distance from basically that dirt bank to the road. When I walked up on it, it froze. I froze because I couldn't believe what I was looking at. The other two guys were hanging back, so they went with me, but they saw me freeze, and my instincts, I think got the best. I mean because after a brief pause, I turned around and took off, which then they took off. As soon as I started running, they started running. Actually, my one partner asked me why are we running? When once I got to the v and I just said, let's go. We got midway down the road, I calmed down again. It's like, why are we leaving? I said, stop, and then I also started explaining to him what I saw. I said, we got to go back, so we went back. Of course, by the time we got back there, whatever had been in the grass was gone, and I just did a bunch of Paradelia pictures trying to recreate what I'd seen. We went back there during the daylight trying to recreate it.

19:37 We just no matter what we did, we could not come up with an excuse or an explanation for what we had seen. So I'm pretty sure at that point we had seen a sasquatch trying to spider crowl towards us, which, based on later incidents, made more sense that it was probably a juvenile. Whether or not it was a century or not is up for debate, but it had been.

20:20 We had caught it standing on the dark bank. It froze as soon as it got the opportunity to not be seen at moved locations, didn't dive into the grass at that point. I don't know. All I know is that when we reapproached the area that was trying to get closer to us by approaching through the grass, spider calling towards us, we were returned to that area that that definitely rocked me. But what happened next really threw me off. And now I'm at the point where I'm nothing really rocks me, nothing really throws me out anything.

21:06 I'm kind of accepting of whatever. But anyways, we went back and the same location, same intersection, same area We've been going for a long time. Me and it was just me and the one gentleman this time, and we're just sitting in his vehicle, and the best way I can describe it is my instincts went on alert. I felt like I was felt like I was being watched. I told my partner, I felt like we were being watched.

21:50 It went from that to just an extremely strong got feeling of something that's nearby, something that's approaching. It was way more than I'm just being watched. And then the best way I can describe it, like I've described before, is having someone put thoughts in your mind, which is, I know, not something some people can understand, but it's it's basically what some people probably describe as mind speak.

22:38 Something was telling me I'm going to kill you, basically along those lines, I'm going to kill you you how dare you h just it was not a good vibe, really bad vibe. I was telling my partner. I was like, I don't know what is going on, but I said him to tell my partner. I said, he is pissed. And my partner, who's been doing research a lot, a lot longer at that point than I had, said, yeah, you caught him counting coup. You you hurt his honor.

23:26 I said, what are you talking about? Because I'd never discussed that subject to that point with him, and at that point, this was not the time to have that discussion. A whole bunch of stuff was going on all at once. I'm like experiencing potential mind speak for the first time. I have my partner talking to me about counting coup for the first time, I have something approaching the vehicle that's giving off vibes like I'm gonna rip your head off. It was as a pretty trippy experience, but anyways, I told my partner I was like, is he right next to me?

24:09 Because I was so scared at that point, I couldn't open my eyes. I mean, my eyes were open, but I wouldn't look like anywhere. I was like looking straight forward and look looking to my left at my partner. I was something was giving off such a vibe to my right that I was scared to look out the passenger window. And my partner said, he's right there. And I said, what do you mean he's right there? And he said he was right there in the window and right you know, just on their side of glasses. You and I looked just enough out of the corner of my eye to see basically a black outline bottom of the window. Bottom right corner, more than middle middle middle of the window, bottom side of the window, black outline head.

25:07 I couldn't look well. If I had looked looked, I probably would have looked it straight in the face, but I didn't look straight over. At that point, I shut my eyes. I was scared. It's probably the most scared I'd ever been being around them. My partner proceeded to help me out. He said, just tell him sorry, to say sorry. So I literally started saying sorry. I said, I said sorry countless times, probably a dozen times, and I was saying it out loud, which I don't know what that did. I don't know why that helped, but whatever, For whatever reason, that that sasquatch approached the window, it had retreated to the back corner of the car. At that point, because the intensity level of my fear dropped significantly.

26:13 I had talked to him, asked my partner is he gone, and she said he was. I opened my eyes. I looked into every mind that we're we're every window mirror. I mean I looked in that mirror on the side of the car, and he was whatever that was was in the back corner of the vehicle. I said, he's not gone. I told my partner that. I was like, he's not gone. He's back by the back of the car, and then I asked him to leave. He slowly put it in drive and we slowly drove off, which the individual in question did not follow us. At that point we got down the roadways, I proceeded to get sick.

27:04 I started shaking, I vomited. I was a mess. I'd been through adrenaline dumps before. This was way more than just an adrenaline dump. I just felt off physically and I was pretty shooken up. I was off for at least a day from that why, I was just fatigued and kind of a fog for about twenty four hours. But that definitely rocked my world as far as research is concerned. But that also kind of put the gas pedal on for me, because from that point forward, I decided to I'm still cautious, but I've slowly but surely been removing more and more of my safety protocols. I still try not to go alone. I still try not to go as far out as one of my partner does.

28:27 He likes to sleep on locations by himself and hammocks I haven't quite gotten there yet, but that's definitely definitely put the gas on for me when it came to my research. Mike, that's that's incredible. Do you think when you had you were hearing the mind speak thoughts? Was it when it was right there by your window? I can't correlate whether or not it was right and right then or when it I mean, it was definitely happen when he was there, but I can't say whether or not that was happening when it was also approaching or not. I think it was a culmination of when it was right there and approaching, maybe when it was sneaking up on the car, but it was, Yes, it was happening when he was right there, even though I wasn't looking at him.

29:22 So the way that you were affected, And do you think it may have done or do you think it may have had something to do with being zapped or it was just a straight adrenaline dump or hard It's hard to tell, yeh. I I definitely you know, I've you know, infrasound or being zapped or their ability to manipulate energy and in different forms. I don't know exactly what it is, but I definitely think it was more than just an intense moment.

30:11 I don't know exactly what made me sick, but it was more than I don't think it was just, hey, I got freaked out. It doesn't sound like it. That's extremely intense. So you were saying that you've been taking off the safety protocols slowly, So does that mean then that you are getting to the point where you're starting to go out and research again. Yeah, I've been doing research ever since then. That threw me off for like twenty four hours as far as physically and mentally, but I got over it. When it comes anything to do with sasquatch or dog man, I'm pretty much at the point since then I just shrugged my shoulders. If I don't understand it fully, I'm pretty open to whatever anymore. I don't openly discuss the subject with everyone and anyone, and I purposely keep some distance from the subject matter to a certain extent, But as far as the subject matter itself, I'm pretty open minded and go with whatever anymore. I've been doing research ever since that day. One of the safety protocols that I

31:43 removed is I still go alone. I mean, I still don't go alone that often when it comes to being on foot, being on foot, but I will go alone in vehicles, whether that's on a boat or a vehicle like a a car, which I used to not do. I used to want to have at least a partner with me at all times, but I've gotten to the point where I go alone in vehicles now, which I have to say going alone is definitely a lot more productive.

32:26 Going alone or going light as in not having more than three people max, is usually the way to go. Whatever we're dealing with is intelligent. Whatever we're dealing with is I mean, it's more than intelligent. It's not going to put itself in a position of disadvantage. And if you're trying to observe it and go into the woods with ten people, I'm not saying that they won't play with you. I'm not saying that they won't come around.

33:10 I'm not saying that you won't have encounters, but they're not going to get as close to you, and they're not going to be as willing to approach you as they would be if it's just you and one other person or just you. So when you go into an area now and you're trying to see if you can have an interaction. What is your Do you have preferred methods that you usually follow or protocol or anything like that. Yeah, I use depending on that. If it's a new area that i've I'm just like scouting out that I have gotten no prior reports from, or it's just really old reports in the area and that might not be for that exact area. It's usually just me and one other person are just myself and Will. The best method for me is to camp. You can just camp like literally, that's all you gotta do that. You don't have to do anything else. It's just camp. Or you can pull up in your vehicle at a camping spot. You don't even have to camp camp, just pull up in your vehicle and hang out. Now, you might have to hang

34:42 out till three am, but if something's gonna happen, if they're gonna come, if they're in the area, they'll be there. They'll usually be there within a couple hours of you be in there. You don't have to do anything else. Now you want to step it up, you can do calls. There's calls that I use, but that's not I found that not even necessary. Honestly, If if you're if they're in the area and you and they're willing to play, all you have to do is place yourself in the area.

35:34 Was the communication you received that day? Was that a one time event or I'm sorry, I guess the thoughts that you. Have stuff like that happened, and stuff like that happened after that. Yeah, yeah, it's happened again. It wasn't like the same. It wasn't the well it was like the first time, but it wasn't how I'm going to kill you. That's good. Yeah, that's happened again, which is part of the reason why I'm kind of like whatever with it now. The same partner, different state. We're in Florida. This time we were in a different research area walking the trail, and my instincts started going off. I was like, do something's wrong.

36:33 It's like, I don't know what it is, but something's off. He's like, I don't feel it, and I was like, dude, I'm telling you right now, something is wrong, and he's like He basically convinced me to keep on going. So we kept on pushing it, and slowly but surely I started having that same thing happen, but this time it was different. In that it wasn't It wasn't coming through as in, I don't know how to describe it. The first time was coming through with bad vibes, was I'm going to kill you, I'm gonna it was just bad, all the way bad. This time, whatever was happening was much more gentle and basically it just was placing what I don't know how me do it. Whatever whatever was doing, it was telling me basically, hey, you need to go.

37:44 This is not you can't stay here, this is this is a bad idea. I tell your partner to turn around. You guys need to go. So I finally started telling my partner because I had talked to him about what happened. I was like, I told him. I was like, you know that time I told you they were basically talking to me and like they weren't talking to me. I was like, that's happened ex season language. That stuff's happening again, and it's telling me to go, so, which stopped him in his tracks. Once I said that, he stopped and he's like, are you serious, And I'm like, I'm I basically looked at him and said, do I look serious?

38:24 So we turned around. The feeling of this is a bad idea. Went from a seven, you do one hundred, and I told my partner to run. I don't know what got into me. I don't know why, but I ran. We ran, I don't know, less than a quarter a mile. We ran far enough that we could still see down the trail where we'd come from, and we stopped. We got out back towards a trailhead area, and we were looking back down the trail where we had come from.

39:09 I don't know what came out on the trail, but whatever came out on the trail came out on all fours. Whatever came out on the trail was bigger than a hog. Whatever came out on the trail was not quite a canine, was not a hog. It was not as big as that dog man that I had seen in Indiana, but it was bigger than a hog. And I'm talking about a boarhog whatever. So part of this incident, my partner had gone to the bathroom on that trail before we ran.

39:50 Whatever came out on the trail stopped and smelled where he went to the bathroom, and then looked down the trail at us, and then took off another bush. I don't know what it was. I don't know what that was, and I still don't know what that was to this day. But the more I look back on it, I can't say that that wasn't More and more I call them the force people, but I don't quite think they're the gentle force people that everybody thinks they are. There's definitely a division with them. Some are good, some aren't, let's just put it that way. But the best category I can call them as the force people. I think maybe a female and that clan in that area had done us a solid and helped us vacate that area before whatever that was decided to, you know, give us a visit, which I don't think we would have done so well if whatever that was it came on on the trail, if we had been in that exact spot when it came on on the trail, based on the way that it came out on the trail, because it was booking when it hit that trail, like it went from a dead run to a dead stop when it hit that trail.

41:21 So whatever, based on the way things went down when we when we were running out, whatever that was was probably running towards us. If you're getting if you understand what we're saying. What I'm saying, because it hit that trail moving and it stopped on a dime. Like I said, smell there we were in, looked down the trail at us, and then took off and disappeared. But I don't think that if we'd been where it was when it hit the trail, I'd be talking to you right now.

42:01 There's a few questions I have for you, just because I'm not super knowledgeable with the dog man side of things, so I just want to clarify a few things. So it sounds like you may have been dealing with a dog man at this time, or you're not exactly sure. That's the problem with this one. I can't say what that was because it was not. It could have been a dog man, but it was smaller than the average dog man that we've dealt with, let's just put it that way. Sure, also more compact.

42:42 Ah, gotcha. The other thing is you'd mentioned that there is mind speak in that scenario as well, and this is something I'm not aware of. Do our dog man reported to be involved with mind speak incidents as well? Uh? Yeah, they are. There's definitely mind speak incidents being reported whether across species, whether it's dog man or sasquatch. But I just based on lantis and a few other things. I don't think that dog man what's talking to us?

43:23 Okay, so there could have been something else in those woods that day as well, with you. Yeah, yeah, that area is well known for a plan that we investigate of sasquatch. They're friendly, to say the least, they're quite friendly. They've gotten extremely close to my partner, like from within. I don't know how much she wants me to talk about it. Did you say they've gotten close and they're pretty chill? That area is usually pretty chill. Well, let me rephrase that. One side of the road is chill, the other side of the road is not. One side of the road is associated with non historical bad vibes.

44:18 The other side of the road has a lot of blood spilled. If you're understanding where I'm going with that. I think I do. Also in so this is in Florida. Are there different types of bigfoot down there? Maybe some that look more like apes and some that look more like humans. Yeah, so let me phrase it. I'm no expert. I'll never claim to be an expert. Anybody that claims to be an expert, just quit less than to them. There are definitely experience field researchers out there, and from what I've I've gathered and been blessed to learn pretty much, there's definitely different types of sasquatch. Florida's pretty pretty awesome in that the further south you get, you get into a different type of sasquatch that I don't have as much experience with. But the best way to describe them as like a freaking harreo ring a thing. But they're not in a ring a thing, and I don't know why that is. I haven't quite understood why that is, and the further I've gotten into my research, I'm even more confused about it. But there's definitely different type of sasquatch down there the northern part of the state. The best way I can describe it is similar to Alabama,

45:51 and Alabama is the best way I can put it is if you've ever listened to the big Foot out Laws or anyone and associated with those guys, you have your standard Boogers, which I know that's a crazy name, but the best name for the South, honestly, and they're not the big ones that you're used to from the West Coast. They don't get as big as the West Coast, except for maybe the the Alphas tend to get pretty big though, But there's big ones around. That's the part that it's confusing about the South. It's not all just the skinnier, muscle built individual because they're they're all. They all have muscle. They're all pretty well built, but you're not talking about ten foot plus individuals. You're talking seven to well six foot six to eight foot built like a mid sized boxer or just a stout athlete. They can get skinnier than that, but even the skinny ones are still pretty ripped. They all have pretty all. It doesn't matter which ones you're dealing with, they all have muscle definition. If that makes sense.

47:23 Yeah, no, it definitely does. So it sounds like in this area there have been times where it's gotten pretty violent or aggressive. Is that true? Yeah? I mean between Alabama and locations in Florida. When things go south, it usually involves just rocks being thrown, trees knocked over, bluff charges, growls. Ah. When they want you to leave, they let you know you want they want you to leave. It's pretty pretty straightforward. They make it well known. But that's the thing. It's never gotten to the point where they've actually carried it out. The rocks never have had The rocks have never hit me or my partner. The trees have not hit me or my partner. They've come close, they've definitely got our attention.

48:40 But for all the for all the bluster and show, nothing has happened. But that's also probably has to do with the fact that we don't tend to push past that point because I have a feeling in some of these incidents where if they tell you to leave and you don't leave, I don't know what the next stage is. What I don't know? Yeah, that's my problem. Hey, yeah, yesterday, I mean with with that in mind, my pop, we're not in an area where I'm doing research right now.

49:28 She's just barking Parson. But I tend to bring her along as a as an alert. She's extremely protective, extremely she sees things before I see him sometimes. And yesterday I was in a research area. This quick note, new research area. I'm in a different state than I'm actually I'm back in Indiana right now. Might as well just say that I travel probably a bit from my job. So I get around because I've done research in Indiana, in North Dakota, Missouri, I don't know, I've done research in a lot of states, but anyways, I'm in Indiana right now. I'm in an area of interest. I was down in an area of interest and just parked at the location briefly. I wasn't paying attention to anything particular at that point, and the individually just herd growl, was in the back seat where she usually is, and she started growling, which at this point, we're out in the middle of nowhere. We're not around, there's no people around, there's no there's no reason for her to be growling unless a squirrel had come out of the tree or some other animal had popped up out of the forest.

50:52 So she starts growling. I turned around. I'm trying to figure out, what are you growling at? Well, I studied the area, never found out what she was growing at. Hey, listen, say, I'm going back to that area because I want, I need to figure out what she was growing at. But as my research has progressed, it's getting a little past just going to an area which I don't know how far down the rabbit hole you want to get. But well, you know, I would say, it sounds like you have come to some interesting conclusions or you've started to And yeah, if I mean, I am perfectly fine.

51:34 If you want to share some things that you've discovered along the way, I have no problem with that. Well, I mean, the longer you're in this field, if you talk to anybody that's been in this field for quite a while, I tendn't I studied that, say, I studied from individuals like Kumbo, Baker and bear Off of Big fout Laws. Now did I work with them in the field. No, But they put all their research online.

52:16 You can learn how to do what they're doing based purely on what I mean. They teach you everything if you listen. A lot of people don't listen, but if you listen long enough, they basically tell you everything there is to learn to get started, which I started using. You know their tactics pretty quick back and then you know, like twenty fifteen onwards whichever find them since. But my point is if you listen to guys like that or Canes based out of Ohio. Kane Michael is another extremely good researcher. But there was a gentleman down in Tennessee that recently died a few years ago.

53:01 Scott Carpenter. Yeah, Scott Carpenter, another good researcher. If you lit to any of those guys, you'll as they've been in the field, they've slowly but surely become more open to the loose side of things, is the best way I can put it. And I was originally just purely physical flesh and blood, had no interest in anything to do with the other side of the research. But I can't deny what's happened in the field, so it is what it is. And now I'm at the point now where I question whether or not we're dealing with I think we're dealing with flesh and blood, But just because we're dealing with flesh and blood does not mean that you're not also dealing with something else. What that something else is is up for interpretation. But whether or not Scott Carpenter was on the right path when he's talking about the fallen and irrid blood, I don't know whether or not they can or cannot teleport and move from dimensions. You tell me,

54:40 can they or can they not? Use camouflage as in what you've seen in the Predator movies. Maybe I know what I've experienced. I know that what I've seen him been through definitely has made me wonder huh and just put just say huh. But I don't want anybody else to This is definitely a journey you got to go down for anyone that's interested in it. You're gonna have to go down this journey yourself, because I can tell you my conclusions, but you haven't been done. You haven't walked in my shoes, so you don't know why I've come to the conclusions. I've come to so and a lot of this, a lot of the things I've clowned are so like there's they're so earth shattering for some individuals that they need to experience it for themselves if they truly want to know the answers.

55:55 Yeah, I agree. I mean anything, anyone that goes down this road will start to experience things similar to what you've been alluding to, and they'll have to come to grips with it themselves. They'll either start to have their mind open or they will start to say, I don't want to deal with this and I'm just going to focus on other things. In the subjects that's what is going to come down to. Yeah, my thing is, you know, for me, I've I've made the decision on which direction I'm going to go. But I don't suggest this for everyone because I think the deeper you get you start getting into you just need to understand what you're messing less. Let's just put it that way.

56:56 I agree, it's like you. I think you need to be aware of the potential of what it could be as well. Yeah it is. It is a very interesting, uh subject, And I can definitely tell you that you've experienced things along the way, and just to ask, are there any things that you can share that made you start, you know, thinking that way even and if you don't want if you don't don't want to, that's no problem. So I mean, sorry, I stepped outside for a second.

57:42 My partner in crime was back there, part in crime. She was back there starting to growl no matter what. So we'll outside right now. I put this. I mean, I was originally flesh and blood. I had no I mean, for one, I had no interest in this subject matter to start with. I sasquatching dogman and I've I've went from one end of the spectrum to the completely other end of the spectrum. For one, because I went from being the guy that you could talk to me about Sasquatch and I would tell you that Bigfoot didn't exist for one two. Now I'm on the totally other end of the spectrum to where I'm pretty convinced that not only well, I can tell you one hundred percent they exist for one two, while they may be flesh and blood, being flesh and blood does not mean that they're not also something else. So I've definitely gone to the complete other end of the spectrum. How I got there is just I've just had so many freaking experiences that standing,

59:14 I mean, for example, standing in the backyard of the house, feel like you're being watched. That nothing is there physically, you can't see anything visually with your eyes, but you know you're being watched. I started taking pictures. That's one thing in the incidents where I feel like I'm being watched but I can't see anything. Let me afraid of that. When i feel like I'm being watched period, I've started to just start I start taking pictures of my surroundings. And this incident, same thing, felt like I'm being watched.

59:58 The hairs aren't pairs up on my back of my neck. I'm like, I can't figure out why the ViBe's off. Start snapping pictures and I'm looking at the pictures, And anytime I find something in a photo, my protocol is I don't just go with it. I send it off to trust individuals I trust. I don't tell them anything. I don't say, hey, do you see X y Z. I just say hey, tell me what you what you think? Because I don't want to prompt them into anything. I just want to hear their feedback, you know. So I don't want to lead them. You know, investigation techniques says, you don't want to lead a witness, and you don't want, you know, your investigation partner to be led in any one direction. You want them to come to their own conclusion.

1:01:00 If their conclusion matches yours, that's great. If it doesn't, well that's what you want because you want the conclusion to be natural. So anyway, as I send those photos off, they get watched, they get looked at pretty quick by a couple of people. Trust they see everything I'm seeing. So I'm like, what in the heck? Because this is all within ten minutes. When what we were looking at is in that backyard. Basically in the pictures you can see what looked like it's like three dog men on the other side of a fence looking at me, But I can't see him physically, But in the picture they're there.

1:01:47 With that being said, there's a reason I can't see them physically at that moment because of the fact that they're supreme at standing on the edge of the light and they love to stay in the shadows. That might have something to do with it. They might have physically been there, and my eyes just visually could not adjust to seen them because of the fact that they were right there on the edge of the transition line between the light and the dark. Well, for whatever reason, I could not visually observe them, but they stood out in the pictures, But in the pictures they look off. Also, the best way I can describe it is they're in the picture, but they're not which in that. Just incidents like that, and then listening to individual like Scott Carpenter and a few others just started me down the rabbit hole. Well, are we dealing with specimens that can materialize in our world? They? Yet, are we dealing with something that a lot of people just can't wrap their mind around pretty much. I mean, I mean, can they be here and not be here?

1:03:11 Can they appear here and then disappear? It brings up a lot of questions about dimensions and parallel dimensions and how can they appear and disappear? And then how can you know? How how can tracks there a snow and field and disappear into nothing? It's some wild, wild stuff. You're You're right, the deeper you go down, just the weirder that it gets. Has there been a point in your research, you know, the years after you had one that was right against the window and you weren't able to look at it. Has there ever been a time when you've been able to have a visual of of what you think is a big foot out in the field, or has it been like other types of interactions?

1:04:08 Uh? Yeah, Uh, there's Well, I've seen a dog man and a big foot dog man. Best way I can describe them the same thing as the first time. Just they just look like a wolf. They look like a wolf. Well, let me I pray that some of them look like wolves, some of them look like hyenas. Some of them kind of look different than that. They can have different looks to them, but sasquatch, uh, you know, it depends if I don't know how much you've studied. I call them sasquatch hybrids because there's different types of sasquatch out there, and the ones I've visually observed all tend to have a flat face, wider nose. Their face tends to be very similar. It's their muscle structure and their height that can vary significantly. Also, their face facial features can be

1:05:54 more narrow depending on the age or the special subspecies. I guess you want to just talk about. The one thing that's throwing me off is we run into a specimen in the field. I haven't seen one for a couple of years now, but they have a snout and the best way to describe it as I call them baboon face. And I relate them to the sasquatch because they have sasquatch legs, they have sasasquatch bodies, they have sasquatch arms. They they look like a sasquatch except for they have a snout and they're not friendly. Well, the best way to put this, they're not as As time has gone on, they are more more warrior mentality. The best way to put it, they'll they I don't like being around them, I'll put I'll put it that way.

1:07:07 I don't like them. I don't like them being around them. I don't trust them. I think they're bad as you. I don't really know what they are, but I have research partners that are pretty significantly comfortable around them, and they they tend to say that which I can't argue with their conclusions based on some incidents in the field, which is they they'll challenge you, and if you fail that challenge, it won't go so well. Let's just put it that way, so you just need to keep walking. What does best answer?

1:07:48 What does gugways? Yeah? Okay, And you know they've got the reputation of being straight killers. I don't I don't know if they're more or less any more of a killer than any of the others. I just think that they're more and more that I've been in the field, that their mentality is more. I've the best conclusion I can come up with, this is related to a warrior mentality from like an indigenous tribe. They're going to challenge you. Well, that's the other thing. Whether you're dealing with them dog man sasquatch.

1:08:37 If you put yourself in a situation in which you can disappear without a trace and reason for your disappearance can be blamed on other occurrences and no negative repercussions are likely to occur in that area for the individual in question, you might disappear, So it's best you just don't put yourself in that type of situation, whether you're dealing with them or any of the others.

1:09:25 I think that makes sense. It's just people have to be really careful. There's a lot of people that reach out to me and they're like, hey, can you give me advice? And my number one advice is, don't go up with yourself. Try to find a group that you know, like the woodwalkers down in the South, those are good guys. And find people you can trust so that when you're out there, you got people that you know can have your back. Like you say, you go out with people sometimes you know, yeah, Like I know what I'm doing. I know the path I'm going down when I'm going myself is not the safest route. But I've been doing this for years and I understand what I'm doing. Like I comprehend the risks I'm taking. Now, do I recommend those to anyone? No, I don't. I strongly suggest anyone that's involved in this field that you'll always go with the partner. I strongly suggest that you'll always make it known you know where you're going, what you're doing, when you're going to come back, you know, just a standard just like you would with any hiking plan. You know, you need to leave your research playing with someone. Now, I understand some people are gonna be like, well, I don't want them to know where I'm going what I'm doing. Well, you don't have to tell them you're doing research, you know.

1:10:57 Just make sure someone knows where you went, where you were when you're coming back, and make sure you have a partner with you to make sure you take other precautions when you're out there. A lot of people tend to think that they're more dangerous than the others, and I have come to the conclusion that I don't think it's really a species question as much of it as as an individual question, Like you can run into bad, bad situations with any of them and it doesn't it doesn't matter which species you're dealing with. It matters on who which ones you're dealing with, and what situations you're dealing with them in and how you react in those situations.

1:11:48 There's more to it than just a Gugley's bad Sasquatch good dog being bad Sasquatch good. Now there's there's killers in all of them. Mike, this has been a really fascinating conversation. You know, as we have a few minutes left, I want to make sure that you're able to, you know, share everything that you'd want to share today in that I you know, you're not left wishing you could have said something else. Uh No, I mean, I'm just doing this field research from my own conclusions. I've a pretty low key social media profile. I do have, you know, my interdimensional wisdom that I'm slowly but surely been putting content out on through TikTok and YouTube. I the reason I'm on your podcast is I'm becoming more open to hoping that I can help someone out. You know, if anybody's had an incident and they don't know where to go with this, or they want answers and they don't know where to get answers. That's the reason I'm becoming more open about talking about the subject because that's how I learned initially.

1:13:19 So that's the reason I'm on your podcast now. I will say I'm not naturally inclined to talking openly about this subject matter. And I totally understand if somebody listens to what I said and they're like, holy crap, that guy's nuts, because that, for one, I I mean, that's just the natural conclusion when you listen to it. But you got to be in the field and truly understand this subject matter to understand why I'm saying the things I'm saying. If it makes any sense.

1:14:00 What's the name of your TikTok again, so people can check that out. Inner dimensional wisdom I went and took just because of the craft that I've seen in the field. I went my prior public safety job I had to do with psyche vowels, and I went back and did the psychic vowel because of this crap, just to make sure that I hadn't gone nuts, which according to them, I'm not. But I would definitely I want to say this, I would strongly caution anyone that's wanting to get involved in this subject matter because you need to know what you're getting involved in, and you need to make a decision within yourself on how far down the rabbit hole you want to go, because you can go as deep as you want, but you need to understand that the deeper you get, you're going to start getting into some pretty They're going to get into subject matters that are gonna make you question like life and the world around you pretty much, and not everyone's prepared to go that far.

1:15:24 So you just need to know what you're getting involved in when it comes to this research. And if you just want to go out in the field to have encounters, that's great, But if you want to go further than that, it can get you can get pretty complicated, and it can also get dark and dangerous, to say the least. I think that is a great way to put it. Definitely, you should give people enough to realize they need to be aware of what could happen, and combining that with other episodes I've done, listeners can definitely figure that out.

1:16:06 But you know, Mike, thank you so much for coming on the show today. It's been a pleasure chatting with you, and hopefully maybe we'll have to keep in touch and see where things lead you in the future. Yep, yep. I appreciate the opportunity. Maybe I'll come on later and tell more more encounters, because I definitely have more, but I appreciate the opportunity. Just want to take a minute to say thank you for listening to this episode of the Big for Society podcast. Mike's story is one of the most intents we've ever heard, not just because of the spider crawling or the blacked out face at the car window, but because of what it really reveals about the intelligence and possible intentions of the beings in the woods. It's a huge thanks to Mike for having the courage to speak up its stories like his that remind us once you see something you can't explain, your whole world changes. If you enjoy this conversation, please subscribe to us on YouTube, hit the bell icons you don't miss new episodes, and share this one with a friend who's into Bigfoot, cryptids, or high strangeness. And if you're listening to us on Apple Podcasts or Spotify, please make sure to follow the show and leave a five star review. It really helps more folks find us.

1:17:19 And if you've had a Bigfoot encounter, especially in Indiana, Alabama, or Florida. I'd love to hear from you, so please send me an email at Pigfasociety at gmail dot com. Thanks again for being part of the big FORA society. Until next time, keep your eyes open, trust your instincts, and never stop asking what else might be out there? And see you in the woods.