March 19, 2025

Stuck on the Island with Sasquatch! | Oregon

Joey, a retired outdoorsman from Oregon, shares his extraordinary encounters with host Jeremiah Byron from Bigfoot Society across several locations in the state. From Silver Creek Falls State Park to Detroit Lake and beyond, Joey recounts his...

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Season 1

Joey, a retired outdoorsman from Oregon, shares his extraordinary encounters with host Jeremiah Byron from Bigfoot Society across several locations in the state. From Silver Creek Falls State Park to Detroit Lake and beyond, Joey recounts his sightings and experiences. These include observing rocks being thrown at his cabin, witnessing a massive Bigfoot on Piety Island at Detroit Lake, and strange occurrences involving boulders in the Waldo Lake Wilderness. Joey's vivid descriptions and compelling stories provide a fascinating glimpse into the elusive and mysterious world of Bigfoot.

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All right, Big for Society. You've got the privilege of

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talking to Joey today. Joey's an individual that I've been

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in touch with for a while. He's a retired outdoorsman,

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avid fisherman, and a survival tech instructure from out there

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in the great state of Oregon. Welcome to the show today, Joey.

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How's it going.

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Going good today? Thank you for for having me on today.

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I appreciate it absolutely. Yeah, I mean I've been waiting

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to have this conversation for a while. There is I

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remember you telling me about at least one of your

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encounters as in an area I've kind of been looking

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into recently. So definitely, you know, can't wait to have

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a chat today. But you know, Joey, I'm going to

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go ahead and give things over to you. Feel free

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to take us back when this all started happening to

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you out there, and then what you experienced along the way.

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Okay, sure enough. So as I've been recounting my many

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adventures in the outdoors, of course, there are two that

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stand out. The two times I've actually seen a bigfoot,

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in nineteen seventy nine and in nineteen ninety five ninety

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five being the encounter that really shocked me. I'd have

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to say so, but I'd like to go back even farther.

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When I was a kid, I grew up camp a

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lot with my mom and dad and sister, mostly in

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eastern Oregon. I was born in nineteen sixty. My dad

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was forty seven years old when I was born. He's

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an avid Ham radio operator. He actually holds the world

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record for Morse code transmission that was set in nineteen

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forty two. I just googled that recently, and sure enough

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the AI came up with his name. I was really

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proud to see that. That's still a world record today. Anyway,

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he would take us camping and set up his Ham

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radio rig wherever. We camped a lot in the Ochakos

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Mountain Range in eastern Oregon outside of Primeville. There's a

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lake there called Walton Lake. We've been going. I've been

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going there for fifty years. Never had a siding there

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or anything happening bigfooty at that lake. But east of there,

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northeast of there, there's a lake called de Lintment Lake,

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and back in the sixties it was very difficult to

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get to gravel road potholes and four wheel drive type stuff.

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But it was a favorite haunt of my dad's because

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he was also an avid deer hunter, and we'd go

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up there in July or August and he would scout

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for mute for mule deer for the fall hunt. And

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so one year we were up there, we'd been at

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Walton Lake a few days. The fishing was no good,

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so we headed over to Thelnment about a mile or

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two from the lake. We're inching along in our old

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Ford pickup up this road and I'll never forget this.

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A dough jumps up onto the road. It was on

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a hillside. It jumps up onto the road and it's

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got three arrows sticking out of it, and they're all festered,

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and it's limping. It's in horrible shape back then, you know,

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compared to nowadays when they have these high tech crossbows

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or compound bows and things like that, it was. It

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was a lot less of a sure day hunting with

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a bone air. Anyway, my dad was not we hunting

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in that fashion back then. He was a rifle hunter.

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So we stopped to pick up and he reaches under

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the seat and pulls out his big handgun, I don't

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know what it was, and went out and followed the

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deer up the hill a little way and put it

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out of its misery. So that was the beginning of

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an eventful trip there. We stayed there. We'd arrived late

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in the evening and the next day fished all day.

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My mom and dad had their sleeping bags and sleeping

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arrangement inside the canopy of the Ford pickup, and my

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dad had brought a pup tent Army issue pup tent

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for my sister and I. My sister's six years older

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than me, and he was He set that up for

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us in the campground. The other odd thing is we

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were the only ones camping there that weekend, and so

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it's kind of an eerie I remember it being kind

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of an eerie feeling. You know. Usually there were other

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campers wherever we went. I would find somebody to play

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with or at least, you know, you felt like you

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weren't isolated. But we were the only ones there. And

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the second night we were there, we'd gone to bed

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and my dad had put extra logs on the fire

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so that we could see inside the tent. The firelight

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was light up the inside of the tent for my

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sister and I before we fell asleep. He made a

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habit of doing that wherever we were camping. So the

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fire is going real good and my mom and dad

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retire into the pickup. I hear the door closed. I

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remember thinking, Okay, time to sleep. And we're laying there

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and my sister and I hear something walking into camp

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and we're you know, thinking, wow, we haven't been in

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the tent that long and it's probably a deer. There's

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also elk there and black bear. Although we'd never seen

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any black bear in that campground. So we're laying there

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and I remember laying on my back. This is in

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nineteen seventy, so I'm ten years old, laying on my

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back and it's walking right by my side of the tent.

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My sister's laying on my right side. So with my

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left hand, I reach up to bang on the wall

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of the tent to scare it off, and it hits

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something solid like I it is if this is a deer.

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I've just hit this deer right in the side. And

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you would think that if you hit a deer in

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the side, it would go running off right. Well, this

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thing didn't run off. We could hear it take a

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few steps. And there's excitement in the tent now, and

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my sister's sitting up and she gets out of her

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sleeping bag to peek out the the zipper, you know,

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the door in the front door of the tent, and

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screams and falls back onto her butt and just starts

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yelling for my dad, Dad, Dad, Dad, come here, Dad, Dad,

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And I don't know what's going on. So canopy opens up,

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my dad jumps out. He's over at the tent door

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within seconds. What's going on what's going on, and my

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sister says, there was a man standing by the fire.

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And now I'm really freaking out because we're the only

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ones there. And I'm remember thinking where did this person

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come from? And what were they? What are they doing

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in our camp? And my dad's milling around. He goes

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back to the truck and gets this big six one

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of those big old fashioned flashlights that took the six

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fold battery. He's shining it through the woods and walking

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around outside the camp we don't see anything. And comes

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back and my sister's telling my dad that he had

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a suit on and I'm thinking, like the kind you

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wear to church, and she says, and that's what my

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dad said. Like like I said suit and she says, no,

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like a fur suit, Dad. And now I'm wondering, why

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is there a man in our campground wearing a fur suit?

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You know, none of this is making sense. We all

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settled down, got out, we all got out, my mom

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got out of the truck. We're all around the fire

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for a little bit. I think I remember making something

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for us to eat to calm down, and then my

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dad says, I think we're all going to try to

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fit into the canopy tonight. So we got our sleeping

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bags out of the tent and jumped in the truck,

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and you know, stayed in there with him that night.

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Next morning, wake up a little bit late, and dad's

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packing everything up. He's already taking the tent down. And

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we hadn't even blown up our rubber boat yet. We

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just got out of there, went back to Walton Lake

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and stayed another night or two there. There was a

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lot of people camping there. Never really talked about it

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with him. I've never evenven talked to my sister about

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it about it anymore than if I ask her about it,

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she'll just say, I have no idea what that was.

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But it was standing up and that must have been

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what I hit in the side with my hand, So

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that was the first thing. Again, I didn't see anything.

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All I know is that it was terrifying, and especially

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for my sister, and again very bizarre occurrence.

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You're so young as well. That morning the next morning

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that you woke up, you said your dad was packing

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stuff up. Do you remember anything at a place about

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the camp site, or like any footprints or anything, or

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or just a thing you might not have really been

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looking for at the time.

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No, The only thing I can really say it was

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different is Dad had his his handgun in his hole.

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Story he was wearing it and he never wore his

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good you know, we had it. He always there was

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always a pistol and a rifle available, but he never

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packed it, you know, had it open carry, so to speak.

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It was always tucked away. He had a locked box

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that he kept underneath the see of the truck that

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the pistol was always in. And I thought that was

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kind of weird, you know, like he was ready for action.

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But again, no one is still There was still no

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one camp there, and when we left, we left the

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campground vacant. There was no one there after we left.

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To know, I don't remember any him looking for footprints

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or anything like that. You know, he didn't see anything.

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He just going by what my sister said. And you know,

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she's seventy now and still claims, I don't know. She'll

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she'll say, I don't know what that was, I, you know,

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not really avoiding talking about it. But it was just

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for a brief second that she noticed something standing by

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the fire and fell back into the tent screaming, which

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apparently scared it off. So that's a pretty remote air

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over there, and there's been other sightings, you know, since

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then in that area, especially you know, in the Blue

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Mountains just east of there.

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And so yeah, when yeah, and I know this happened

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a long time ago. But when you hit the side

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of the tent and you you hit something hard, did

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it feel like there was any any like like you

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had any cushion to it or you know how you

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have something that has a lot of like fur or hair,

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so that you wouldn't just be hitting something that was

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really hard. There might be a little you know, cushion

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when you when you hit it.

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Yeah, there was a little bit of cushion. But you know,

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thinking about it now, if I could recall it, the

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best I can describe it would be like with the

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back of your hand hitting the side of a cow

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or a horse, you know, that kind of feeling. So

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I don't know if it was squatting down or it

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didn't feel like whatever it was, I'd hit it in

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the leg. In fact, I can remember distinctly thinking I'd

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hit this thing in the side, you know. And there's

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not a very very tall pup tent that we were in,

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just a little two man tent. But I and it's

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been so long ago, Jeremiah, I don't know if I'm

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right or not, but it seems like I put my

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arm up and hit the side of the tent towards

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the roof of the tent, so maybe three or four

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feet up the ground, and it didn't run off. Yeah.

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So it's a really really interesting introduction to the subject

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for you. How did that affect the rest of your

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time growing up?

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Well, it didn't. It didn't even occur to me, or

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it didn't have any effect on me wanting to be

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an outdoorsman. Soon after that, when I was twelve years old,

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I think I joined a hiking group called the Shameekidans

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here in Oregon and took many or backpack and hiking

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trips with that group. As soon as I got old

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enough to drive, I started talking whoever would go with

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me into backpacking and camping. As soon as the snow melted,

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you know enough, I was always in the woods and

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never looking for bigfoot, thinking about bigfoot, always more concerned

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about black bears. I can't say that I have a

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phobia about bears, but I've heard enough stories and seen

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enough things to be very wary of bears and cougars.

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There's a lot of cougars in Oregon, and I've got

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a buddy who was had a close call with one hunting,

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actually two close calls hunting with cougars, So that's always

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been my concern. But no, it didn't ever change my

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my protocol or keep me from wanting to go into

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remote places, not in fear of bigfoot or anything like that.

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So then, as you continued to grow up into adulthood,

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what would you say the next thing that you had

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experienced would have been, Well.

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I've kind of got it in chronological order here, so

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this is a strange one. In nineteen eighty, I was

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in college, had never been deer hunting. So my friend Bob,

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my roommate and friend Bob, i'll call him today, we

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got our hunting licenses. I had a thirty thirty Winchester

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my dad had given me he passed in nineteen seventy three.

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But I'd never deer hunted ever, not with him or otherwise.

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So this is my first deer hunting trip. Bob and

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I went to a little lake called fur Lake on

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Big Meadows Road above Marion Forks, which is east of

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Detroit about thirty minutes we hiked in. It's only a

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mile hike into Furlake. I'd been there many times in

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the summer fishing and swimming, a little place to just

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hang out.

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Big for society, who will be right back after these messages.

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But it's open for deer hunting. And there's actually a

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deer camp on Big Meadows Road that's available and it's

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always occupied in the fall by hunters. So I figured,

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you know, without knowing any better, good place to start.

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So we got up there in the afternoon, hiked in,

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set up our little camp right on the shore of

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the lake, tried fishing for a little bit, decided we'd

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wait till the next day to go hunting, and just

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kind of hanging out. Bob had brought two cans of chili.

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I'd forgotten my food bag, so that was all the

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food we had. So he's getting ready to heat up

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to chili for dinner and I'm just kind of hanging out,

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and all of a sudden, he jumps up and goes

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down to the lake and he's pointing across the lake

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and there's a big old buck standing on the shore

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the opposite shore, and it's not very big lake for lakes.

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I don't know, maybe twenty acres. So there's a big

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buck standing over there, and we're moving around and it's

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not leaving. There's maybe half hour a daylight left. And

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Bob grabs his gun and starts making his way around

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the lake shore to get it see if he can

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get a shot at this buck. And I just stayed

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in camp. I don't know why, but I didn't go.

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I figured if I heard a gunshot, i'd go help

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him out. So he takes off, and as soon as

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he's around the other side of the lake, of course,

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the buck goes back into the woods. And then I

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see Bob standing about where the buck was, and he

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goes off into the woods too, And you know, like

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I said, much light left, and it's getting darker and darker,

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and Bob doesn't come back, and I'm starting to get worried.

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Then it gets dark and Bob is still not back.

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I didn't remember him taking a flashlight with him, but

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I didn't think he had one. And it's pitch dark

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and it was overcast and there's no moonlight, and I

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don't know, maybe about an hour after that, still no Bob,

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but I hear three gunshots you know, Bob. I'm figuring

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it's Bob fired and his gun three times, so I

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grab my thirty thirty and I do the same thing.

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I fire three shots, thinking he needs to at least

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figure out which location or direction I am. So I

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do that. I don't hear any more gunshots from Bob,

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and he doesn't show up. I tried staying up with

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the fire stoked till I don't know eleven or twelve

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o'clock at night. Bob hasn't come back. So and again,

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this is the absolute first night I've ever spent alone

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in the woods. So I got a tent there, and

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I'm in my tent. I remember bringing my axe and

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my hatchet and my machete, my gun, everything in the

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tent with me, you know, like I'm going to go

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to war with the wilderness that night. But I fall asleep,

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and again Bob hasn't returned. I wake up in the

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morning and the fire was still there's still coals in

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the fire. I stoked it up, got it going. Wasn't

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too too far long after daylight, and here comes Bob

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up the opposite shore into camp and he's got he

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looked pretty pretty bad. He's got stick sticking out of

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his hair. He looks pretty rough, like he'd been through that.

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And he tells me that, yeah, he had followed that

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buck into a clear and it had crossed the clearing

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kind of a swampy area actually on the trail, into

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the lake itself. He had to go off trail a

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little bit to keep following it, but he said that

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it had gone across this little marshy area into the woods,

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and he was sitting there at the edge of the

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woods waiting for it to come back out. And he

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told me there was still enough light on the meadow

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area swampy area for him to see, you know, pretty good.

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But as it got darker when he turned around to

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head back to camp, of course the forest had swallowed

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the trail. The darkness had swallowed the trail, and he

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wasn't able to figure his way back to camp. So

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he had he had some matches. Ticky said, he had

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a can of chewing tobacco, no food or anything. Of course,

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he did have his jacket on, so he wasn't completely exposed.

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He had enough sense to get a little fire going

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right there where the trail had ended into the clearing,

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and he got the fire going and just stayed by

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the fire for the rest of the night. So here's

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the strange part. He said. He woke up about maybe,

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said a couple hours for daylight, so it must have

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been two or three in the morning, four in the morning,

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and he had been laying on the ground with his

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face on the ground. And when he opened his eyes

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and sat up, there's a dead rabbit a couple feet

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from his fire. The fires almost died out, and he says,

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there's this rabbit. For one thing, I have never seen.

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I've been googling a little bit. There are rabbits in

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the Cascade Range, but I backpacked and you know, camped,

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like I said, all my life up there. I've never

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seen a wild rabbit on the west side of the Cascades.

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Jack rabbits on the east side, but on the west

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side I have never seen. So anyway, there's this rabbit

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laying there. Its neck has broken, and whatever killed it

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had stepped on it or squished it so hard that

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one of its eyes had popped out. And Bob said

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he was immediately, you know, disturbed by this, not only

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what left it, but whatever left it, where is it at?

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So needless to say, he didn't sleep anymore that night,

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had his gun at the ready, got his fire going

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more so he could see into the woods as much

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as possible, and he brought it back to camp with

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him when he got up that morning and came back

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to find me. And that was the first thing I

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asked him. I said, was that the three gunshots killing

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that rabbit? He says, Then he told me, no, No,

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something left it for me. And then he had decided

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that maybe he just hadn't noticed the rabbit when you know,

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he had stopped and started and made the fire, and

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then he'd go back to say, no, that's impossible. I

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had that fire going good, and I could see I

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could see around me plenty to know I would have

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noticed it. So we decided that something gifted him that

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rabbit for whatever reason, we still don't know. So that

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was pretty strange.

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Yeah, your buddy Bob is one of the luckiest individuals

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I've ever heard of on this show. There are so

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many ways that could have gone horribly wrong, absolutely, oh

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my goodness, And I I challenge anyone to come up

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with a logical reason why there should be a rabbit

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right there with a broken neck in a eye that's

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popping out of its head. I mean, yeah, that doesn't

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make sense.

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It was quite quite gruesome looking, you know, and then

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as a souvenir, Bob cleaned it. We didn't eat the rabbit,

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but he caught off and cured and kept one of

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the rabbit's feet, you know, for good luck. I figured

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he's like, yeah, he felt the same way. He he

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was kind of deciding, well, maybe it was a cougar

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or maybe it was a bear. You know, we weren't.

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I don't think we talked about it possibly being bigfoot

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at all. But that's pretty unusual for a bear or

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cougar to come into your camp and leave you at

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present like that. There's a little lake just before that

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called Fay Lake, Fay both of them. Fay Lake is

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accessible by card. I've heard of people having some strange

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things happened there. I've never camped read it Fay Lake,

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but for like, I've been going to since nineteen seventy

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three and it was always a favorite place to go,

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especially in the summer, for swimming and good fishing there.

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And it's only a mile hike, so it's popular for

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people who don't like to go far but kind of

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get away from it all.

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So Fur Lake, did you still go to that same

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lake then after this this time out there with Bob

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many times?

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Yes, many times. Yeah, Yeah, I haven't been there for

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a while, but for a few years, but Fur Lake

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was always a favorite. And Eight Lakes Basin right there,

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it's kind of at the foothills of Eight Lakes Basin,

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And I spent most of my younger years exploring and

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backpacking just south of Mount Jefferson in that area, so

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I was well well acquainted with darn near every lake

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in that area. I love bushwhack trout fishing. I became

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quite good at orienteering when I was young, and trusted

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my skills enough to hike off trail to these lakes

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that don't have trails, and you know, so sometimes the

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fishing was amazing. Sometimes they we were a boy to fish,

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but it was always an adventure and very rewarding to

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find these lakes that maybe no one's ever been to,

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you know.

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I finally it took me a while, but I finally

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found it. Because I like to follow along with with

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maps during interviews, I did. Okay, so it's yep, there

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it is Turpentine Loop trailhead, and yeah, yep, okay, Wow.

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Follow Big Meadows Road in there about a mile and

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a half and there's a pull out for you to

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park and hike indo fur Lake.

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You know, you know, so actually I am going to

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have some questions at the very end. I'm gonna I'm

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going to let you continue what you would like to

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bring first, but I do have a few, definitely a

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few questions afterwards.

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Very good. So while you have your map out, maybe

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you can find Harvey Lake. It's in the Wall Lake

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Wilderness would be south of Walda Lake, kind of up there,

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close to your favorite outside of Oakridge. So in nineteen

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see what year was that, nineteen ninety two, Yeah, nineteen

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ninety two, five of my friends from work and I

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went into Waldo Lake Wilderness for Memorial Day. We're going

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to stay for five nights exploring and fishing in Waldo

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Lake Wilderness. We parked and left or got on the

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trail ironically at Skukum Creek trailhead. So but you know,

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back then, I didn't know what a Skukum was. It's

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very squatchy in there. As you know, you step off

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the road ten feet outside of Oakridge and you feel vulnerable.

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So we go into the first night was at Wuahana Lake,

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a big old lake. No good there. So the next

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day my buddy Bruno and I we scout out Harvey Lake,

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leaving the other guys at Wahanas to see if the

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fishing would be better there. His first two casts, he

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landed two trout over eighteen inches, and this guy was

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would die to catch a trout, So he's like, you know,

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we're moving, so okay, So we go back and tell

452
00:27:23.519 --> 00:27:25.319
the guys and we all pack up and move over

453
00:27:25.359 --> 00:27:28.920
to Harvey Lake. Sadly, once we got to Harvey Lake,

454
00:27:29.839 --> 00:27:33.799
stayed three nights there, kind of base camped out of

455
00:27:33.799 --> 00:27:37.759
Harvey Lake, exploring the area. Spent three nights there, didn't

456
00:27:37.799 --> 00:27:42.839
catch another fish. But while we were there, if you

457
00:27:42.880 --> 00:27:46.279
can get Harvey Lake on your map, right behind it

458
00:27:46.440 --> 00:27:51.480
to the west southwest, there's a small little hill, kind

459
00:27:51.480 --> 00:27:54.519
of a miniature of little butte. It sticks up out

460
00:27:54.559 --> 00:27:58.599
of the ground, rises above the the train, maybe a

461
00:27:58.599 --> 00:28:03.279
couple hundred feet, kind of rocky on one side, rocky

462
00:28:03.319 --> 00:28:08.039
cliffy on one side, and fairly steep. So back then

463
00:28:08.079 --> 00:28:11.680
we just had topography maps. But I could see on

464
00:28:11.759 --> 00:28:14.400
the map that you know, the topography indicated that it

465
00:28:14.480 --> 00:28:18.160
was a high, pretty high little hill above everything. I

466
00:28:18.200 --> 00:28:19.680
was thinking, if we got to the top of that,

467
00:28:19.799 --> 00:28:22.319
might be able to see the surrounding area. There's a

468
00:28:22.319 --> 00:28:25.400
couple of lakes south of their Kiwa Lake, and I thought, well,

469
00:28:25.400 --> 00:28:27.200
we might be able to see down into the basin

470
00:28:27.240 --> 00:28:30.920
a little bit from there. So anyway, my friend Sean

471
00:28:30.960 --> 00:28:33.160
and I and Mike Bruno was too busy trying to

472
00:28:33.200 --> 00:28:36.079
catch his fish. So Sean and I and Mike we

473
00:28:36.160 --> 00:28:40.079
climbed to the top of this butte. And on the

474
00:28:40.119 --> 00:28:46.160
west southwest side of this butte, it's cliffy and there's

475
00:28:46.200 --> 00:28:49.440
a lot of loose rock. So we get up there

476
00:28:49.440 --> 00:28:51.680
and I'm looking around and I look over and my

477
00:28:51.720 --> 00:28:55.000
friend Sean is sitting on his butt trying to push

478
00:28:55.119 --> 00:28:59.759
this boulder over the side so it'll roll down into

479
00:28:59.759 --> 00:29:03.279
the four And this rock was, you know, if I

480
00:29:03.359 --> 00:29:05.440
was to take a measurement, if I remember, it was

481
00:29:05.440 --> 00:29:10.200
about five foot by five foot, big old rock, maybe

482
00:29:10.279 --> 00:29:14.519
a thousand pounds of rock. And he's rocking it, he's

483
00:29:14.559 --> 00:29:16.519
making it move, but he's not enough to get it

484
00:29:16.559 --> 00:29:20.720
to roll, so right or wrong, Mike and I join

485
00:29:20.799 --> 00:29:22.839
him and we get behind it, you know, one, two,

486
00:29:22.960 --> 00:29:26.319
three push. After a couple tries, we break this thing loose.

487
00:29:27.400 --> 00:29:30.119
It rolls down the hill, takes out a couple of

488
00:29:30.160 --> 00:29:35.079
smaller trees, and bam comes to rest against this old growth.

489
00:29:35.599 --> 00:29:39.240
Doug fur I thought it was going to actually take

490
00:29:39.279 --> 00:29:41.519
that tree, it was a big rock, take that tree

491
00:29:41.519 --> 00:29:44.000
out too. But it didn't. It just it just rested

492
00:29:44.079 --> 00:29:48.319
up against it. So we were all kind of like, wow,

493
00:29:48.400 --> 00:29:51.960
that was crazy, and we milled around a little bit

494
00:29:52.039 --> 00:29:54.000
up there, couldn't see much, so we climbed down and

495
00:29:54.039 --> 00:29:58.759
I'm checking out this boulder and it was pretty much

496
00:29:58.839 --> 00:30:01.319
kind of rectangular shape, but it was longer than it

497
00:30:01.440 --> 00:30:04.839
was wide, and it's resting against this tree. Did some

498
00:30:04.960 --> 00:30:09.440
damage to the tree, but it didn't break it. And

499
00:30:09.599 --> 00:30:13.640
that was that. Went back to camp and actually we

500
00:30:13.960 --> 00:30:18.640
went back to camp and made a sauna out of

501
00:30:18.640 --> 00:30:20.440
a tarp and heated rocks in the fire.

502
00:30:21.079 --> 00:30:23.920
Big for Society will be right back after these messages.

503
00:30:39.839 --> 00:30:42.640
I was wonderful, had a really nice sauna that night.

504
00:30:42.680 --> 00:30:46.680
I was nursing a cold, so I couldn't taste her, eat,

505
00:30:47.079 --> 00:30:49.400
smell anything, which is horrible. When you're in the woods,

506
00:30:49.440 --> 00:30:51.960
you know, you want to smell the pine trees and

507
00:30:52.000 --> 00:30:54.960
taste the fish. We got into sauna and I was

508
00:30:55.000 --> 00:30:59.039
able to taste and smell, and I had ever had

509
00:30:59.039 --> 00:31:00.920
the guys bring me my so I could eat it

510
00:31:00.960 --> 00:31:03.039
in there. I could actually taste my food. So anyway,

511
00:31:04.000 --> 00:31:06.359
we do that and go to bed, get up the

512
00:31:06.359 --> 00:31:11.240
next morning and we're just kind of wondering what to do.

513
00:31:11.720 --> 00:31:13.960
Sean wants to go back and tip some more rocks.

514
00:31:13.960 --> 00:31:17.720
So we go over there to you know where we'd

515
00:31:17.759 --> 00:31:23.920
been on the little butte, and there's the boulder, but

516
00:31:24.000 --> 00:31:29.240
it's been moved and it's about ten fifteen feet up

517
00:31:29.279 --> 00:31:31.640
the hill from where it came to rest of the tree.

518
00:31:31.680 --> 00:31:35.279
It's not against the tree anymore. It has been tipped

519
00:31:35.319 --> 00:31:39.480
over uphill and rolled over once more, and it's just

520
00:31:39.559 --> 00:31:41.880
sitting there and you can see the damage that it

521
00:31:41.880 --> 00:31:43.680
had done to the tree now right because it's not

522
00:31:43.759 --> 00:31:48.039
resting against it. And my buddy Sean and I are

523
00:31:48.079 --> 00:31:51.519
both looking at us at it, like how did that happen?

524
00:31:52.640 --> 00:31:55.359
And he had decided that well, it was at a

525
00:31:55.400 --> 00:31:58.319
strange angle, you know where it came to rest. It

526
00:31:58.400 --> 00:32:01.200
must have just settled when it settled under the round

527
00:32:01.240 --> 00:32:04.200
up from He had all these ideas on how it happened,

528
00:32:04.200 --> 00:32:07.960
but none of them fit. What we were looking at

529
00:32:08.400 --> 00:32:12.440
was just one thousand pound rock boulder. Like I said,

530
00:32:12.440 --> 00:32:16.519
it had been rolled back, tore uphill backwards, and then

531
00:32:16.759 --> 00:32:21.519
once again flipped again. So we both looked each other

532
00:32:21.599 --> 00:32:24.480
and kind of got a funny feeling, like a real

533
00:32:24.640 --> 00:32:28.640
dark feeling about it, like we were doing something we

534
00:32:28.640 --> 00:32:31.119
weren't supposed to or in an area we weren't supposed

535
00:32:31.119 --> 00:32:34.319
to be. Went back to camp. I joined my friend

536
00:32:34.319 --> 00:32:36.119
Bruno at the end of the lake and was telling

537
00:32:36.200 --> 00:32:38.720
him about it, and here comes Sean with his map,

538
00:32:38.759 --> 00:32:42.160
and he's like, let's move. And we had a couple

539
00:32:42.240 --> 00:32:46.279
more nights left, and we packed everything up and didn't

540
00:32:46.359 --> 00:32:50.000
really make that the reason why we were leaving. But

541
00:32:50.039 --> 00:32:53.400
the fishing wasn't any good, so we decided to leave,

542
00:32:53.440 --> 00:32:56.839
and I was I remember being glad that I wasn't

543
00:32:56.839 --> 00:33:00.480
there after that, So in two thousand and too, there

544
00:33:00.519 --> 00:33:04.240
was a fire there in nineteen ninety six. In two

545
00:33:04.240 --> 00:33:08.559
thousand and two, I was curious about the damage. It

546
00:33:08.640 --> 00:33:13.240
burned the whole wilderness. It was a horrible fire. In

547
00:33:13.279 --> 00:33:16.599
two thousand and two I went back in there and

548
00:33:16.880 --> 00:33:21.720
stayed at Upper Irmabel Lake day hiked down into Harvey

549
00:33:21.759 --> 00:33:26.119
Lake to check out the damage, just to see it again.

550
00:33:27.000 --> 00:33:29.799
I had had my fish and pull with me, and

551
00:33:29.839 --> 00:33:31.599
I was with a guy named Steve, and I told

552
00:33:31.599 --> 00:33:35.200
Steve about the rock, and curiosity got us and we

553
00:33:35.240 --> 00:33:38.119
went around the backside of the hill again to check

554
00:33:38.119 --> 00:33:43.119
it out. Now everything's burned, you can clearly see into

555
00:33:43.200 --> 00:33:46.440
the forest, you know, like you couldn't before, and rock

556
00:33:46.559 --> 00:33:50.200
still there hadn't been moved anymore, but I explained to him,

557
00:33:50.240 --> 00:33:52.519
And the tree is still there and the damage to

558
00:33:52.599 --> 00:33:57.319
it is not noticeable now because it's been mostly burned,

559
00:33:57.400 --> 00:33:59.880
but you can see through the forest enough. There's another

560
00:34:00.119 --> 00:34:03.200
little lake that we didn't know was there. Didn't explore

561
00:34:03.559 --> 00:34:09.239
little lake just southwest of that hill, and so we

562
00:34:09.280 --> 00:34:12.079
walked through the woods to that and found bear tracks

563
00:34:13.440 --> 00:34:17.320
in the mud over there. So that was kind of curious,

564
00:34:17.400 --> 00:34:22.000
but very strange, you know, very strange however that rock

565
00:34:22.039 --> 00:34:27.679
got moved. Alone never know, but I remember hearing some

566
00:34:27.719 --> 00:34:33.199
stories on YouTube about big boulders being thrown at people,

567
00:34:33.239 --> 00:34:37.599
big rocks weighing hundreds of pounds traveling fifty sixty feet,

568
00:34:38.119 --> 00:34:41.920
And of course my encounter in nineteen seventy nine, it

569
00:34:42.000 --> 00:34:44.920
made it logical that maybe, you know, if there was bigfoot,

570
00:34:45.360 --> 00:34:47.320
maybe two or three of them got behind that rock

571
00:34:48.199 --> 00:34:50.280
just to piss us off, or to show their dominance

572
00:34:50.360 --> 00:34:55.880
or to show their position and move that thing uphill. So,

573
00:34:55.920 --> 00:34:58.000
and this was not a slight slope. This is a

574
00:34:58.119 --> 00:35:01.360
very steep slope. You had, you know, you're on, using

575
00:35:01.440 --> 00:35:04.920
hands and hands and boots to get up it. You

576
00:35:04.920 --> 00:35:06.559
couldn't just walk up, but you kind of had to

577
00:35:06.639 --> 00:35:09.199
lean into the hill and climb it, grabbing onto roots.

578
00:35:09.199 --> 00:35:11.480
So it was pretty steep hill.

579
00:35:11.679 --> 00:35:20.639
How close to its original spot was that rock left?

580
00:35:20.960 --> 00:35:24.519
Well from where it rested on the tree. It was,

581
00:35:24.599 --> 00:35:28.000
like I said, maybe it appeared that it had been

582
00:35:28.119 --> 00:35:31.559
rolled back down on it, you know, on its back,

583
00:35:32.360 --> 00:35:34.840
so to say, so to speak, and then flipped once

584
00:35:34.920 --> 00:35:39.239
more uphill. So fifteen ten fifteen feet maybe.

585
00:35:39.400 --> 00:35:40.440
Oh okay, got it?

586
00:35:40.519 --> 00:35:40.800
Got it?

587
00:35:40.960 --> 00:35:44.440
I mean still I'd be right there with you. I

588
00:35:44.440 --> 00:35:48.039
mean it would that would, man, I'd be I'd be

589
00:35:48.079 --> 00:35:51.119
thinking like, yeah, this is this is not the place

590
00:35:51.719 --> 00:35:54.760
maybe for us. If something kind of get that big

591
00:35:54.840 --> 00:35:59.559
of a rock to just move, it.

592
00:35:59.519 --> 00:36:02.280
Really did changed the way I felt about staying any longer.

593
00:36:04.440 --> 00:36:08.480
It felt wrong to be up there knocking that boulder loose. Really,

594
00:36:08.719 --> 00:36:13.519
I you know, there was no one in danger below us,

595
00:36:13.599 --> 00:36:17.239
but you know, just it seemed to destructive. But we

596
00:36:17.320 --> 00:36:19.679
did it anyway. I mean, I'm not saying right or wrong.

597
00:36:19.760 --> 00:36:24.519
We did it, and it alerted someone or something right

598
00:36:25.599 --> 00:36:29.960
to our presence. For sure. We weren't thinking bigfoot. I

599
00:36:30.000 --> 00:36:32.239
didn't stay up that night or think about it or

600
00:36:32.519 --> 00:36:35.079
look for it or look for tracks or anything. After evening,

601
00:36:35.320 --> 00:36:38.800
after we'd noticed it had been moved, I just knew that.

602
00:36:39.480 --> 00:36:43.039
I you know, I'm ten. Men couldn't move that rock,

603
00:36:45.599 --> 00:36:46.320
you know, no.

604
00:36:46.360 --> 00:36:54.159
Way, absolutely. I think this area is still shut down, right, Yeah,

605
00:36:54.199 --> 00:36:54.760
I think it is.

606
00:36:54.840 --> 00:36:59.840
I think you're right. Yeah. After a fire like that,

607
00:37:00.119 --> 00:37:02.599
it's it's dangerous to be in there, you know, the

608
00:37:02.679 --> 00:37:06.000
tree balls or palman, especially when the wind comes up,

609
00:37:07.119 --> 00:37:09.519
and it's really quite sad. It was such a beautiful

610
00:37:09.599 --> 00:37:12.480
area and it'll it'll grow back, but it wiped out

611
00:37:12.519 --> 00:37:14.920
every tree you know, for miles back in there.

612
00:37:16.159 --> 00:37:19.320
I can't imagine that. That would be absolutely crazy. There

613
00:37:19.559 --> 00:37:23.639
there is since we're in this area this I asked

614
00:37:23.639 --> 00:37:26.840
this all the time, so you probably have heard me

615
00:37:26.880 --> 00:37:31.440
ask it. There's another area over there where I heard

616
00:37:31.440 --> 00:37:35.920
a lot about this in Oakridge at the Festival Sasquat Summerfest,

617
00:37:36.599 --> 00:37:39.920
a lot of people would talk about weird stuff happening

618
00:37:39.960 --> 00:37:40.960
around Spirit Lake.

619
00:37:42.039 --> 00:37:43.119
Yeah, I've heard it too.

620
00:37:43.559 --> 00:37:48.480
You've heard that too, absolutely, oh, no way.

621
00:37:49.199 --> 00:37:52.559
Yeah. And a Delio Lake I've never heard, which is

622
00:37:53.679 --> 00:37:57.320
it's named after three guys, ed d and Leo. It's

623
00:37:57.320 --> 00:38:00.800
a pretty good sized lake across the across the drain

624
00:38:00.960 --> 00:38:05.679
the Middle Lammit Middle Fork of the Lamit drainage or

625
00:38:05.840 --> 00:38:08.559
gorge as you put it. And you know that's a

626
00:38:08.639 --> 00:38:12.559
rugged area. The canyon walls in that area are not

627
00:38:14.239 --> 00:38:19.000
you know, it's it's not walkable. Off the backside of

628
00:38:19.079 --> 00:38:24.920
Upper Irmabel Lake there's a waterfall unnamed. I invite you know,

629
00:38:25.119 --> 00:38:27.960
your listeners to take a trip backpack trip in there.

630
00:38:28.519 --> 00:38:31.480
Check it out. The outlet to Upper Ermabel Lake. There's

631
00:38:31.480 --> 00:38:35.320
a waterfall a quarter mile on the back side of

632
00:38:35.360 --> 00:38:38.119
the lake, down the hill. It's one hundred and fifty

633
00:38:38.159 --> 00:38:42.559
feet tall. It's just beautiful. And from there the canyon

634
00:38:42.639 --> 00:38:48.480
drops off practically vertically down into Middle North Middle Fork

635
00:38:48.519 --> 00:38:53.079
of the Lamit, so very few people go back up

636
00:38:53.119 --> 00:38:57.039
in there. I have a friend who did a kayak

637
00:38:57.079 --> 00:39:01.760
trip in there. He's crazy kayaker. This guy likes to kayak,

638
00:39:02.159 --> 00:39:07.000
you know, unnamed tributaries. He's way more adventurous than I am.

639
00:39:07.079 --> 00:39:10.800
But somehow he made his way back up in there

640
00:39:10.960 --> 00:39:15.039
and almost lost his life due to hypothermia trying trying

641
00:39:15.079 --> 00:39:17.760
to navigate that that fork of the Wilamotte River in

642
00:39:17.800 --> 00:39:22.559
the winter in November a few years ago. So that's

643
00:39:22.559 --> 00:39:26.960
another story, but not Bigfoot related. But it's very remote

644
00:39:26.960 --> 00:39:27.760
and very rugged.

645
00:39:28.199 --> 00:39:32.360
Absolutely. I mean this area, yeah, I mean there I

646
00:39:32.480 --> 00:39:36.000
was in is nothing compared to what's over there from

647
00:39:36.000 --> 00:39:39.079
what I've heard. But so during the spirit or regarding

648
00:39:39.079 --> 00:39:42.800
Spirit Lake, what are the exact things that you've heard

649
00:39:42.840 --> 00:39:45.000
about that area?

650
00:39:46.280 --> 00:39:50.000
Okay, So that guy mentioned named Bob, he's got a

651
00:39:50.000 --> 00:39:54.199
friend named Jeff who likes to hunt, and he was

652
00:39:54.239 --> 00:39:56.559
not at Spirit Lake, but he was on a road

653
00:39:56.599 --> 00:40:01.559
close to Spirit Lake and saw lights in the forest

654
00:40:01.800 --> 00:40:06.280
that at first he thought were headlamps off ATV vehicles

655
00:40:07.840 --> 00:40:11.119
until they floated above the trees and over the tops

656
00:40:11.119 --> 00:40:17.159
of the trees across the ridge away from him, so

657
00:40:17.199 --> 00:40:20.679
he thinks it was UFOs. And now, you know, since

658
00:40:21.880 --> 00:40:26.960
my interest in accounts from other people has risen recently,

659
00:40:27.039 --> 00:40:31.559
I've been hearing other stories about people seeing seeing lights,

660
00:40:32.239 --> 00:40:34.440
but that when you mentioned Spirit Lake, that was the

661
00:40:34.440 --> 00:40:36.719
first thing I thought. I thought I should get a

662
00:40:36.760 --> 00:40:40.599
hold of Jeff and ask him to elaborate on that story. Unfortunately,

663
00:40:41.280 --> 00:40:45.400
he's not on Facebook, and hopefully he's still around, but

664
00:40:45.480 --> 00:40:47.079
I don't know if he is or not. I wasn't

665
00:40:47.119 --> 00:40:47.760
able to do that.

666
00:40:48.920 --> 00:40:52.639
Absolutely that, so that is really interesting now in this

667
00:40:52.760 --> 00:40:58.280
area we have reports of that, but also the all

668
00:40:58.360 --> 00:41:02.400
the sticks in the lake going making a circle every night,

669
00:41:02.599 --> 00:41:07.960
and then a gentleman who was chased out by sasquatch

670
00:41:08.079 --> 00:41:11.760
that looked like they had like dreadlock type hair, which

671
00:41:11.800 --> 00:41:14.480
is really unique. But I've heard it one other time.

672
00:41:15.000 --> 00:41:18.199
Super unique. So yeah, that's a weird area man.

673
00:41:20.599 --> 00:41:22.920
Yeah, when you when I first started listening to your

674
00:41:23.239 --> 00:41:26.440
broadcasts and figuring out that there are quite a few

675
00:41:26.440 --> 00:41:28.199
of the more center ground the Oak Fridge area and

676
00:41:28.239 --> 00:41:31.679
that you have the festival there, that's really what I

677
00:41:31.719 --> 00:41:34.679
recalled to myself, like for the first time in a

678
00:41:34.679 --> 00:41:40.079
long time, the rock thing, the boulder thing. I was saying, well,

679
00:41:40.119 --> 00:41:41.639
if I ever do talk to you, I'd like to

680
00:41:41.679 --> 00:41:44.280
mention that even though it wasn't a siding. You know,

681
00:41:44.519 --> 00:41:50.400
I know you have different classifications for sidings, but again,

682
00:41:50.559 --> 00:41:54.559
to reduce the possibility of that being done by anything

683
00:41:54.559 --> 00:41:58.719
else is basically an impossibility. While we're on the subject

684
00:41:58.760 --> 00:42:01.119
of lights in the forest, I would like to include

685
00:42:01.559 --> 00:42:08.000
something that happened to me in nineteen seventy eight. I

686
00:42:08.039 --> 00:42:10.840
took it with three or four other friends, two of

687
00:42:10.880 --> 00:42:16.159
which were professional level mountain climbers, and we were going

688
00:42:16.199 --> 00:42:21.920
to attempt to climb Mount Jefferson. I'd never been technical

689
00:42:22.639 --> 00:42:26.119
mountain climbing before, you know, with ropes and such. I

690
00:42:26.119 --> 00:42:27.880
got a little bit of training from both of them

691
00:42:27.880 --> 00:42:30.320
before we went, but we were going to attempt to

692
00:42:30.320 --> 00:42:34.079
climb it. It was in August, so, you know, a

693
00:42:34.199 --> 00:42:36.760
good time of year to try it. No snow on

694
00:42:36.800 --> 00:42:42.320
the mountain or not much. So we backpacked in to

695
00:42:42.840 --> 00:42:45.719
jeff Park, which is on the north side of Mount Jefferson,

696
00:42:46.480 --> 00:42:48.960
to a little lake called Scout Lake. There were other

697
00:42:49.000 --> 00:42:51.800
people camped in the area that were either just back

698
00:42:51.840 --> 00:42:58.840
back here preparing to climb. We played around for the afternoon,

699
00:42:58.960 --> 00:43:01.639
did some boulder climb, I mean in the immediate area,

700
00:43:01.719 --> 00:43:06.639
to kind of get practice and pass the time. Beautiful

701
00:43:07.320 --> 00:43:10.639
weekend to be in the forest. It was, you know,

702
00:43:10.960 --> 00:43:16.440
blue sky, no chance of rain, you know, seventy degrees,

703
00:43:16.519 --> 00:43:22.360
eighty degrees whatever, August nice, August day. I don't know

704
00:43:22.400 --> 00:43:24.960
if we took tense or not, but we decided that

705
00:43:25.000 --> 00:43:27.639
it would be a good night to Cowboy Camp just

706
00:43:27.880 --> 00:43:30.880
underneath the stars. You know, it's amazing starlight up there

707
00:43:30.880 --> 00:43:34.239
at night. So we spread out on a kind of

708
00:43:34.320 --> 00:43:37.000
flat area above Scout Lake, you know, ten feet from

709
00:43:37.000 --> 00:43:41.760
each other, put our sleeping bgs out. I don't believe

710
00:43:41.760 --> 00:43:44.199
we made a fire. We had camp stoves made, you know,

711
00:43:44.320 --> 00:43:49.079
freeze dried food or whatever. And we're retiring early so

712
00:43:49.119 --> 00:43:51.840
we could get up. The lead climber, Chris, he wanted

713
00:43:51.920 --> 00:43:55.719
us up before daylight, on the trail before daylight because

714
00:43:55.880 --> 00:43:57.960
an attempt at the summit would take all day. He

715
00:43:58.039 --> 00:44:01.079
wanted to get get up there for the winds picked up.

716
00:44:01.159 --> 00:44:03.880
Whatever reason, it was his call. So we were in

717
00:44:03.960 --> 00:44:07.320
bed that time. In a year, it doesn't get dark

718
00:44:07.400 --> 00:44:10.119
till ten o'clock. I can remember still being a little

719
00:44:10.119 --> 00:44:14.280
bit of light, you know, in the horizon, laying there

720
00:44:14.360 --> 00:44:16.760
on my back. I remember having my hands behind my head.

721
00:44:17.679 --> 00:44:20.320
Everybody's talking back and forth. One of the guys there

722
00:44:20.480 --> 00:44:23.519
was a member of Green Peace. He was telling us

723
00:44:23.559 --> 00:44:28.440
about his adventures and saved the whales type thing, and

724
00:44:29.599 --> 00:44:33.920
something crazy happened, Jeremiah. I'm laying there, and all of

725
00:44:33.960 --> 00:44:39.679
a sudden, the entire camp site, at least enveloping all

726
00:44:39.719 --> 00:44:42.639
the guys you know that were laying on their bags there,

727
00:44:43.119 --> 00:44:48.199
My entire camp site lit up in bright fluorescent flashbulb

728
00:44:48.280 --> 00:44:53.559
intensity light, like someone had turned on a switch. And

729
00:44:53.599 --> 00:44:58.159
there was a spotlight shining on our camp. So as

730
00:44:58.159 --> 00:45:01.519
soon as I'd noticed it, of course, I sat up

731
00:45:01.559 --> 00:45:04.639
in my sleeping bag and the first thing I did

732
00:45:05.719 --> 00:45:08.840
was put my arms out in front of me. And

733
00:45:08.920 --> 00:45:14.840
I remember thinking, if I can see a shadow, I'll

734
00:45:14.840 --> 00:45:16.840
be able to tell where the source of this light's

735
00:45:16.880 --> 00:45:19.000
coming from. So I put my arms out. My hands

736
00:45:19.039 --> 00:45:23.400
are spread, fingers are spread, but there's no shadow. There's

737
00:45:23.480 --> 00:45:28.639
nothing my underside of my arms. Everything is enveloped in

738
00:45:28.679 --> 00:45:31.320
this light, and I can't tell where it's coming from.

739
00:45:32.400 --> 00:45:35.440
The really strange thing about it is I couldn't tell

740
00:45:35.480 --> 00:45:38.519
you if it was on for ten seconds, or ten

741
00:45:38.599 --> 00:45:39.840
minutes or two hours.

742
00:45:40.599 --> 00:45:43.480
Big for society will be right back after these messages.

743
00:45:59.480 --> 00:46:03.719
I don't know exactly the duration of what I was

744
00:46:03.760 --> 00:46:08.760
witnessing occurred and then it went completely dark again right

745
00:46:08.960 --> 00:46:12.639
just turned off. My friend Larry, he was the closest

746
00:46:12.679 --> 00:46:15.800
to me. He's up out of his bag with his

747
00:46:15.840 --> 00:46:19.519
little flashlight now turned on, and he's looking around camp,

748
00:46:19.639 --> 00:46:23.280
you know, outside of camp. Why, I don't know. He

749
00:46:23.400 --> 00:46:27.079
figured somebody was standing there with a spotlight. But it

750
00:46:27.159 --> 00:46:31.039
wasn't like that. It wasn't like anything that that, you know,

751
00:46:31.119 --> 00:46:34.199
you could ride off as being man made. It was

752
00:46:34.440 --> 00:46:40.280
completely bizarre. Again, something like that you'd think would rattle

753
00:46:40.320 --> 00:46:42.320
all of us enough to not sleep at all, But

754
00:46:42.440 --> 00:46:46.320
we did sleep. Got up at the at the at

755
00:46:46.320 --> 00:46:50.719
the right time. Chris was waking everybody up. We got

756
00:46:50.760 --> 00:46:54.920
on the trail and from Scout Lake there's another little

757
00:46:54.960 --> 00:46:57.760
lake by it called Days Lake. We went right by

758
00:46:57.800 --> 00:46:59.559
the shoreline of that lake on our way to the

759
00:46:59.559 --> 00:47:03.119
lower places of the mountain. There's two or three guys

760
00:47:03.119 --> 00:47:06.480
camped right by on the shore of Bays Lake. So

761
00:47:06.519 --> 00:47:09.679
I went off trail down into their camp. All these

762
00:47:09.679 --> 00:47:12.280
guys kept going up the trail. I wanted to know

763
00:47:12.320 --> 00:47:14.679
if these other fellas had seen anything, so I went

764
00:47:14.719 --> 00:47:17.119
and asked them, did you guys see me bright lights? Last? Night,

765
00:47:18.320 --> 00:47:20.519
and they both looked at each other and at me

766
00:47:20.639 --> 00:47:23.519
and you know, shook their heads. No, we didn't see anything.

767
00:47:24.639 --> 00:47:26.679
One of the guys said, we were up after dark

768
00:47:28.599 --> 00:47:30.280
and asked me what time I thought it was when

769
00:47:30.320 --> 00:47:32.840
it happened, and I told him, and they again said, nope,

770
00:47:32.880 --> 00:47:35.960
we didn't see a thing. So I rejoined my friends

771
00:47:37.000 --> 00:47:40.599
and we got on the lower flank a snowfield headed

772
00:47:40.719 --> 00:47:46.119
up Mount Jefferson, and down comes this down the hill,

773
00:47:46.159 --> 00:47:51.039
comes this, down the snow snow field, comes these two

774
00:47:51.079 --> 00:47:55.840
rescue guys with rescue outfits on telling us, I don't

775
00:47:55.880 --> 00:47:58.239
know if it's a good day to go to the top.

776
00:47:58.280 --> 00:48:00.320
There's a dead guy up on top on the summit

777
00:48:01.400 --> 00:48:03.840
and we're in the process of trying to recover his body,

778
00:48:03.960 --> 00:48:07.800
which really shook me. I thought, wow, you know you

779
00:48:07.840 --> 00:48:10.400
can die climbing this mountain. And they said it was

780
00:48:10.440 --> 00:48:13.800
a lightning strike from the day before, a couple of

781
00:48:13.840 --> 00:48:17.079
days before he'd gone missing and that's where he ended

782
00:48:17.159 --> 00:48:21.639
up dying on top. So that didn't determine my friend Chris,

783
00:48:21.840 --> 00:48:25.360
out of curiosity or whatever determination, we kept going. So

784
00:48:25.440 --> 00:48:29.559
we continue up the snowfield. We all have ice axes

785
00:48:29.599 --> 00:48:33.239
with us in case, you know, you slip and fall,

786
00:48:33.280 --> 00:48:36.360
you can do that arrest maneuver to keep yourself from

787
00:48:36.400 --> 00:48:39.159
sliding all the way down the mountain. Anyway, we all

788
00:48:39.199 --> 00:48:44.360
have our ice axes out. I'm the third one in line, Larry,

789
00:48:44.519 --> 00:48:46.519
my friend Larry's in front of me. Chris is leading

790
00:48:46.559 --> 00:48:49.400
us up the snowfield, and I asked Chris, I said, dude,

791
00:48:50.400 --> 00:48:52.519
what do you think those lights were? And I didn't

792
00:48:52.559 --> 00:48:56.159
even finish my question to him, and he stops and

793
00:48:56.239 --> 00:48:59.000
turns around and he's shaking that ice axe at me, saying,

794
00:48:59.400 --> 00:49:02.239
shut up up, Joey, I don't even want to hear

795
00:49:02.239 --> 00:49:05.760
about it. We're that's not what we're here for, and

796
00:49:05.840 --> 00:49:09.559
that's not a concern right now, something to that effect.

797
00:49:10.079 --> 00:49:13.119
Turned around and kept going and I was like, okay, man, okay.

798
00:49:13.840 --> 00:49:16.840
We got up to eventually made it up to the

799
00:49:16.920 --> 00:49:22.000
saddle before you get the final ascent up to the top,

800
00:49:22.400 --> 00:49:27.239
and we rested there, and honestly, I was too fearful

801
00:49:27.320 --> 00:49:30.840
to go. It was getting technical. There was some exposure

802
00:49:31.039 --> 00:49:33.800
involved with the next thing we did, so I decided

803
00:49:33.840 --> 00:49:36.000
I didn't want to attempt to go to the top.

804
00:49:36.559 --> 00:49:39.719
Chris kind of was disappointed in me, and he goes

805
00:49:39.760 --> 00:49:42.159
if if you're not going, then none of us are going.

806
00:49:42.960 --> 00:49:45.639
And we turned around and came back, didn't talk about

807
00:49:45.639 --> 00:49:48.199
it anymore, spent one more night in the same place.

808
00:49:49.199 --> 00:49:52.840
That following night, I was sitting up waiting for it

809
00:49:52.880 --> 00:49:55.239
to happen again. Of course it didn't, and that's the

810
00:49:55.320 --> 00:49:57.280
end of that story. We hiked out, you know, and

811
00:49:57.320 --> 00:50:01.239
never talked about it again. Very strange.

812
00:50:03.159 --> 00:50:08.960
You know, I wonder if there's almost a form of

813
00:50:09.159 --> 00:50:12.920
missing time in that as well, when you're like, you

814
00:50:13.320 --> 00:50:18.320
couldn't remember how long it actually lasted for with those lights.

815
00:50:19.159 --> 00:50:21.840
I can't, and you know, it feels I feel this

816
00:50:22.000 --> 00:50:27.440
real deep sense of frustration when I pondered that, not

817
00:50:27.599 --> 00:50:29.880
the duration of how long it was on. If I

818
00:50:29.880 --> 00:50:32.079
could guess, I would say just a few seconds, But

819
00:50:32.159 --> 00:50:38.320
I don't know. I don't know. I contacted, maybe not immediately,

820
00:50:38.400 --> 00:50:40.880
but a year or two later. I contacted Oregon State

821
00:50:40.960 --> 00:50:47.159
University somebody there meteorological department or something, I can't remember exactly,

822
00:50:48.079 --> 00:50:50.840
and I asked them what they thought it would be.

823
00:50:50.960 --> 00:50:52.719
I told them there was no clouds in the sky.

824
00:50:54.039 --> 00:51:01.039
You know, you hear about static lightning. One guy proposed

825
00:51:01.039 --> 00:51:03.639
that it maybe it was a meteor, you know, or

826
00:51:03.719 --> 00:51:05.960
sometimes that'll light up the ground if it's close enough.

827
00:51:06.000 --> 00:51:08.280
But the guys in the next camp didn't see anything.

828
00:51:09.119 --> 00:51:12.639
It was like it was just isolated to our camp,

829
00:51:14.440 --> 00:51:16.480
and it did feel like that. When I sat up,

830
00:51:16.519 --> 00:51:20.079
it seemed like, you know, the light was just encompassing

831
00:51:20.119 --> 00:51:22.039
the area we were all in, but outside of that

832
00:51:22.119 --> 00:51:22.920
it was still dark.

833
00:51:24.639 --> 00:51:32.599
So trippy, absolutely, I think, man, you know, it's one

834
00:51:32.599 --> 00:51:36.360
of those accounts where you know, you almost wonder what

835
00:51:36.400 --> 00:51:39.719
would have happened. Excuse me, what would have happened if

836
00:51:39.719 --> 00:51:44.199
you'd kept going, But it almost feels like you made

837
00:51:44.239 --> 00:51:45.559
the right call, you know.

838
00:51:48.400 --> 00:51:50.679
Yeah, I would have been okay with the rest of

839
00:51:50.719 --> 00:51:55.480
the guys completing the summit climb. There were actually other

840
00:51:55.480 --> 00:51:58.599
people on the summit, I suppose, attending to the fellaw

841
00:51:58.639 --> 00:52:01.800
who had lost his life. He was still up there.

842
00:52:01.840 --> 00:52:04.519
I couldn't see from there, but couldn't see him, but

843
00:52:04.920 --> 00:52:07.719
you could tell that it was occupied by more than

844
00:52:07.760 --> 00:52:11.559
one person. I would have been fine. I wasn't really

845
00:52:11.840 --> 00:52:14.320
experience enough to go back down on my own, but

846
00:52:15.119 --> 00:52:17.920
I remember feeling relieved when Chris said, we've gone far

847
00:52:17.960 --> 00:52:21.239
and up today and we stayed there at the at

848
00:52:21.280 --> 00:52:24.519
the beginning of that saddle across to the summit for

849
00:52:25.039 --> 00:52:27.960
half hour forty five minutes, just taking in the view.

850
00:52:28.639 --> 00:52:31.920
Nobody was talking much. One of the guys on that trip,

851
00:52:32.039 --> 00:52:35.800
my friend Todd, him and I talked about, you know,

852
00:52:35.880 --> 00:52:38.880
those lights for him and I did lots of backpack

853
00:52:38.960 --> 00:52:42.559
trips together after that, and we you know, always came

854
00:52:42.639 --> 00:52:44.920
up whenever we were back in the woods together, you

855
00:52:44.920 --> 00:52:48.960
know what was that, but never really came to any conclusions.

856
00:52:49.280 --> 00:52:52.039
Of course, he thought it was a UFO and we'd

857
00:52:52.039 --> 00:52:56.159
been abducted, and I don't even include that in my account.

858
00:52:56.840 --> 00:52:59.119
It's just a complete mystery to me. And that's as

859
00:52:59.119 --> 00:53:01.719
far as I cared to comment on it.

860
00:53:03.400 --> 00:53:05.920
But it brings up a good point where, you know,

861
00:53:06.119 --> 00:53:11.639
usually individuals that have, you know, Bigfoot experiences, they're also

862
00:53:11.800 --> 00:53:13.960
I would say ninety nine percent of the time, they

863
00:53:14.000 --> 00:53:17.480
are going to have other things they've experienced too, whether

864
00:53:17.559 --> 00:53:22.239
it be strange lights or maybe even what can be

865
00:53:22.280 --> 00:53:26.719
considered paranormal things. Yeah, more often than not. Yeah, you've

866
00:53:26.719 --> 00:53:29.800
got other things that go on in your life besides

867
00:53:30.079 --> 00:53:32.119
the Bigfoot stuff. So I don't know what the connection

868
00:53:32.280 --> 00:53:34.039
is there, but it's very interesting.

869
00:53:34.159 --> 00:53:42.920
Sure, Yeah, I agree, So before I get to my

870
00:53:44.280 --> 00:53:46.920
really exciting encounter, there is one other thing I want

871
00:53:46.960 --> 00:53:52.159
to mention briefly. On a bushwhack trout fishing trip in

872
00:53:52.239 --> 00:54:00.480
Three Sisters Wilderness, Okay in nineteen see what I have here?

873
00:54:00.800 --> 00:54:08.599
Nineteen eighty Yeah, about nineteen eighty, I guess. My friend

874
00:54:08.679 --> 00:54:11.159
Nick and I did a bushwhack trip into a lake

875
00:54:11.199 --> 00:54:16.119
called Boot Lake. It's off trail about half a mile

876
00:54:17.239 --> 00:54:21.679
east of Cliff Lake in the Mink Lake basin. Beautiful

877
00:54:21.719 --> 00:54:24.920
little trout lake. I'm not afraid to mention a name

878
00:54:24.960 --> 00:54:28.679
because unless you have orienteering skills, you're never going to

879
00:54:28.719 --> 00:54:32.159
find it. It's not very big, it's very rugged terrain,

880
00:54:33.519 --> 00:54:38.039
and the likelihood of it becoming a popular spot or

881
00:54:38.159 --> 00:54:41.360
very unlikely. So anyway, we've been in there. No, actually,

882
00:54:41.440 --> 00:54:43.559
this was the first time we'd been to Boot Lake.

883
00:54:43.800 --> 00:54:46.960
I've been back after that a few times because of

884
00:54:47.000 --> 00:54:50.079
the fishing is good. So this is the first time

885
00:54:50.159 --> 00:54:54.280
we went into boot Lake. From Cliff Lake, went east

886
00:54:54.400 --> 00:54:56.519
up a boulder field into Boot Lake. I was so

887
00:54:56.599 --> 00:54:59.920
happy to find it, and it's very deep at one end.

888
00:55:00.079 --> 00:55:02.920
My favorite thing to see when I find these lakes,

889
00:55:02.960 --> 00:55:07.480
you know, because that's an indicator of some good trout habitat.

890
00:55:08.599 --> 00:55:11.880
So we make camp on top of this little hill.

891
00:55:11.920 --> 00:55:15.960
There's a tombstone shaped rock right in the middle of

892
00:55:16.039 --> 00:55:19.159
campsite with a fire ring around it, but some of

893
00:55:19.159 --> 00:55:22.960
the rocks have been scattered. No sign of anyone being

894
00:55:23.000 --> 00:55:27.559
there for a long time except for an ancient weathered

895
00:55:27.719 --> 00:55:32.639
folgers one pound coffee can. It looked like somebody had

896
00:55:33.000 --> 00:55:38.800
used to boil or cook in and a deteriorating little

897
00:55:38.840 --> 00:55:42.239
fire grill, like a kind of it was square, like

898
00:55:42.320 --> 00:55:47.239
you'd see on a barbecue, like a cheap barbecue. So

899
00:55:47.360 --> 00:55:49.440
there were those two things. It was only two things

900
00:55:49.480 --> 00:55:52.119
that were any evidence of someone being there. We thought

901
00:55:52.159 --> 00:55:55.320
that was pretty cool, like, wow, this is great, And

902
00:55:55.360 --> 00:55:58.239
my guess was right about the trout fishing. The first

903
00:55:58.280 --> 00:56:02.039
cast I made into that lake, I landed and released

904
00:56:02.440 --> 00:56:06.280
brook trout over twenty inches, which is huge for a

905
00:56:06.280 --> 00:56:09.920
brook trout. So that still is one of the biggest

906
00:56:10.000 --> 00:56:13.599
trout I've ever caught brook trout. Anyway, So we fixed

907
00:56:13.679 --> 00:56:16.800
up the fire ring, made a fire that night, had

908
00:56:16.800 --> 00:56:19.960
a little Yukon jack. My friend Nick and I just

909
00:56:20.000 --> 00:56:22.679
so happy to be in the forest, and I'd left

910
00:56:22.719 --> 00:56:25.320
the coffee. I wanted to take the coffee can and

911
00:56:25.360 --> 00:56:28.639
the little grill with me, just for one thing. It

912
00:56:28.719 --> 00:56:30.960
was you know, it didn't need to be there, and

913
00:56:31.000 --> 00:56:35.599
it wasn't part of the natural setting, so I was

914
00:56:35.599 --> 00:56:38.039
going to remove it. I had it sitting off to

915
00:56:38.079 --> 00:56:39.840
the side of the fire ring a little bit. I

916
00:56:39.880 --> 00:56:41.800
had the coffee can on top of the grill, just

917
00:56:41.840 --> 00:56:44.559
sitting there. We go to bed that night. I get

918
00:56:44.639 --> 00:56:46.920
up the next morning and the coffee can and the

919
00:56:46.960 --> 00:56:53.559
grill are gone. So I start looking around. Think we

920
00:56:53.599 --> 00:56:57.400
didn't hear anything that night. I didn't don't remember even

921
00:56:57.400 --> 00:57:01.039
hearing deer coming into the camp or anything. And there's

922
00:57:01.079 --> 00:57:05.239
a lot of black bear in that area. But right

923
00:57:05.320 --> 00:57:08.880
or wrong, bear bagging my food and all that, or

924
00:57:08.920 --> 00:57:12.360
being bear wary is not something I'm very well, very

925
00:57:12.440 --> 00:57:14.920
good at. I don't do any of that. I don't

926
00:57:14.920 --> 00:57:17.280
take peanut butter sandwiches in the tent with me. But

927
00:57:18.360 --> 00:57:22.039
you know, we didn't do anything to prevent animals from

928
00:57:22.039 --> 00:57:25.119
taking anything. Nothing else was disturb Our packs were still

929
00:57:25.159 --> 00:57:29.599
where they were. So looked around for a while and

930
00:57:29.719 --> 00:57:32.719
couldn't find any couldn't find the can or the grill,

931
00:57:33.760 --> 00:57:36.199
So just kind of wrote it off as being strange

932
00:57:36.800 --> 00:57:41.440
that afternoon, Nick and I followed the outlet creek, which

933
00:57:41.480 --> 00:57:44.559
is dried up that time of year, just a creek bed.

934
00:57:45.159 --> 00:57:49.920
It went down the southeast side of the lake into

935
00:57:49.960 --> 00:57:53.360
another lake called Vogel Lake. About a quarter mile down

936
00:57:53.440 --> 00:57:56.960
the hill, the creek outlet from Boot Lake met up

937
00:57:56.960 --> 00:58:00.920
with another tributary coming from another direction. Both are all

938
00:58:01.000 --> 00:58:05.039
dried up now, but they joined down there and a

939
00:58:05.079 --> 00:58:09.360
few hundred yards short of Vogel Lake, and then continued

940
00:58:09.400 --> 00:58:13.840
into the lake from there across a marsh. So we

941
00:58:13.920 --> 00:58:15.719
stopped there for a second. I was going to look

942
00:58:15.760 --> 00:58:18.480
for animal tracks in the dried mud there where the

943
00:58:18.519 --> 00:58:20.679
two creeks came together. It was quite a large little

944
00:58:20.719 --> 00:58:23.519
area of dried mud, and I'm looking in the creek

945
00:58:23.559 --> 00:58:25.920
bed and I hear my friend Nick go check this out.

946
00:58:26.000 --> 00:58:28.159
And I turn around and he's holding up the coffee can.

947
00:58:29.480 --> 00:58:32.159
So I was like, ah, there it is. You know,

948
00:58:32.280 --> 00:58:34.519
we didn't find the grill, but there's the coffee can.

949
00:58:34.599 --> 00:58:36.239
How I got down there, I don't know. You know,

950
00:58:36.440 --> 00:58:39.000
it could have been a bear, but why would a

951
00:58:39.000 --> 00:58:42.519
bear come into camp and take that old coffee can

952
00:58:42.559 --> 00:58:45.800
it's been there forever and not try to get into

953
00:58:45.800 --> 00:58:47.760
our packs? We had lots of goodies in there. I'm

954
00:58:47.760 --> 00:58:49.559
sure it would have been more interesting than an old

955
00:58:49.599 --> 00:58:53.480
coffee can, but that's what we decided. That a bear

956
00:58:53.559 --> 00:58:55.960
had come and my friend Nick I remember him saying, well,

957
00:58:55.960 --> 00:58:58.840
maybe the scent of your hands is on that can,

958
00:58:59.800 --> 00:59:03.599
and you know he just took off with it. Didn't

959
00:59:03.599 --> 00:59:07.760
seem likely, but where was the grill? And why how

960
00:59:07.800 --> 00:59:10.400
did the bear carry the grill off? Right? I mean

961
00:59:10.519 --> 00:59:13.000
that's so weird. Yeah, it seem likely that.

962
00:59:13.639 --> 00:59:16.199
Yeah, that's one of those that makes you wonder. Man.

963
00:59:16.239 --> 00:59:20.760
It's like just the weird timing, like you're like, I'm

964
00:59:20.760 --> 00:59:22.440
going to take these now. No you're not.

965
00:59:24.480 --> 00:59:31.480
Exactly, man, Okay, so thanks for letting me share that. Yeah, okay,

966
00:59:31.559 --> 00:59:33.880
and then I'd like to move on to and I'll

967
00:59:33.880 --> 00:59:36.760
try not to take so long telling all this. I'm sorry.

968
00:59:37.480 --> 00:59:40.280
In nineteen seventy nine was my first big foot siding.

969
00:59:41.519 --> 00:59:47.920
Was on Labor Day weekend at Silver Creek Falls YMCA Camp.

970
00:59:48.920 --> 00:59:54.159
It's a group camp complex within the boundaries of Silver

971
00:59:54.239 --> 00:59:58.400
Creek Falls State Park. Every year my church had a

972
00:59:58.440 --> 01:00:05.079
family camp there during Labor Day weekend Friday night through Monday,

973
01:00:06.039 --> 01:00:09.559
and I grew up in first Christian Church since I

974
01:00:09.599 --> 01:00:13.320
was just a little guy. Very still am a very

975
01:00:13.440 --> 01:00:16.920
involved member of First Christian Church. So I'm nineteen years

976
01:00:16.960 --> 01:00:20.599
old and working at the canry. I couldn't go up

977
01:00:20.639 --> 01:00:21.719
on Friday.

978
01:00:21.960 --> 01:00:59.800
Big for Society will be right back after these messages.

979
01:00:42.719 --> 01:00:45.679
So I waited till Saturday to go up with my

980
01:00:45.719 --> 01:00:47.920
friend David, who him and I were both on the

981
01:00:47.960 --> 01:00:51.440
gymnastics team that in high school together. He's two years

982
01:00:51.480 --> 01:00:56.239
younger than me. His parents' previous year had died in

983
01:00:56.280 --> 01:01:00.639
a plane wreck on North Sister, horrible, horrible accident, and

984
01:01:01.079 --> 01:01:04.800
after they after that tragedy, Dave was I kept him

985
01:01:04.840 --> 01:01:08.519
under my wing and we were very good friends. So anyway,

986
01:01:08.920 --> 01:01:12.519
I invited Dave to come along with me, which he did.

987
01:01:12.960 --> 01:01:16.039
We got up there on a Saturday morning and all

988
01:01:16.079 --> 01:01:19.519
of the cabins had been taken by families in the

989
01:01:19.559 --> 01:01:23.320
main area down by the swimming pool, which was fine

990
01:01:23.360 --> 01:01:25.559
because there was another complex on the side of the

991
01:01:25.639 --> 01:01:29.239
hill called the Hillside that had eight or ten cabins

992
01:01:29.280 --> 01:01:32.639
but wasn't being used by anybody in our church. Our

993
01:01:32.679 --> 01:01:37.679
pastor told us. Pastor Schiro told us, guys, go ahead

994
01:01:37.679 --> 01:01:39.599
and if you want, go ahead and grab a cabin

995
01:01:39.679 --> 01:01:42.920
over there, which we thought, that's great, you know, cool,

996
01:01:43.000 --> 01:01:46.280
So we went over in my car in the afternoon

997
01:01:46.559 --> 01:01:49.719
and found a cabin about halfway up the hill. Unrolled

998
01:01:49.719 --> 01:01:53.599
our sleeping bags on bunk beds across from each other.

999
01:01:53.920 --> 01:01:56.880
It was a screen enclosed cabin. It didn't have solid walls,

1000
01:01:56.920 --> 01:02:00.760
so from chest high up to the roof there was

1001
01:02:00.840 --> 01:02:03.360
just a screen on the outside which they closed up

1002
01:02:03.400 --> 01:02:06.239
with boards in the winter. If you can get a

1003
01:02:06.239 --> 01:02:08.119
picture of what that might look like. Rolled out our

1004
01:02:08.159 --> 01:02:11.760
sleeping bags and you know, set up our little deal there,

1005
01:02:12.559 --> 01:02:16.519
went back down and spent the evening with church families,

1006
01:02:17.199 --> 01:02:20.000
had dinner and music and you know all that. It

1007
01:02:20.119 --> 01:02:22.840
was a lot of fun. About ten o'clock or so,

1008
01:02:22.960 --> 01:02:27.079
Dave and I went back to our cabin, got in,

1009
01:02:28.320 --> 01:02:30.599
went inside and sat on the floor between our bunks

1010
01:02:30.639 --> 01:02:34.320
and played cards for a while. And I'm thinking it

1011
01:02:34.360 --> 01:02:37.360
was maybe eleven or twelve o'clock when we finally crawled

1012
01:02:37.360 --> 01:02:44.119
into our bunks and fell asleep, and woke up right

1013
01:02:44.159 --> 01:02:47.639
at first daylight to what I thought was a squirrel

1014
01:02:47.760 --> 01:02:53.440
or a bird eating pine cones and dropping pieces of

1015
01:02:53.480 --> 01:02:55.760
pine cone on the roof. It was a ten riof cabin.

1016
01:02:56.440 --> 01:02:58.599
I could hear something hitting the roof of the cabin

1017
01:02:58.880 --> 01:03:01.119
and rolling off, you know, boom boom boom boom, down

1018
01:03:02.119 --> 01:03:06.280
down the roof, onto the ground. Uh So I woke up,

1019
01:03:06.599 --> 01:03:09.920
and a few seconds later I realized it's not a

1020
01:03:09.960 --> 01:03:13.239
pine cone. That sounds like a rock. And one of

1021
01:03:13.280 --> 01:03:15.920
them hits the roof on Dave's side, rolls down his

1022
01:03:15.960 --> 01:03:18.679
side of the cabin, don't, don't, don't, don't, onto the ground,

1023
01:03:20.360 --> 01:03:24.400
and I'm kind of thinking that's really strange. So I

1024
01:03:24.440 --> 01:03:28.039
sit up again, and then two rocks, one right after another,

1025
01:03:28.119 --> 01:03:29.960
hit the cabin. One of them sounded a little bit

1026
01:03:29.960 --> 01:03:33.719
bigger than the other. Boom boom boom boom onto the ground.

1027
01:03:34.760 --> 01:03:38.039
And now I'm like, what the heck is going on?

1028
01:03:38.360 --> 01:03:40.679
So I get out of my bunk onto the floor,

1029
01:03:42.000 --> 01:03:44.320
and since the rocks are falling off that side of

1030
01:03:44.320 --> 01:03:46.119
the cabin, I go over and put my arms up

1031
01:03:46.159 --> 01:03:49.679
on Dave's bunk. He's still asleep, and I'm looking out

1032
01:03:49.760 --> 01:03:52.920
trying to see if I see anything. It's just barely

1033
01:03:53.000 --> 01:03:58.760
light enough to see and I don't notice anything. And

1034
01:03:59.159 --> 01:04:02.320
Dave is awaking now kind of like what are you doing?

1035
01:04:03.760 --> 01:04:07.760
And I told him, you know, something's going on. And

1036
01:04:08.719 --> 01:04:14.360
just as I'm saying that, I hear something flying through

1037
01:04:14.360 --> 01:04:15.840
the air with it. You could hear the sound of

1038
01:04:15.880 --> 01:04:19.440
it woshing through the air. And it's a rock, and

1039
01:04:19.480 --> 01:04:23.400
it hits a fir tree outside the cabin, maybe thirty

1040
01:04:23.400 --> 01:04:27.960
feet out from the cabin, about thirty feet up, and

1041
01:04:28.119 --> 01:04:30.320
smashes the bark on the tree and falls to the

1042
01:04:30.360 --> 01:04:35.079
ground and rolls down the hill. Big rock, maybe the

1043
01:04:35.119 --> 01:04:39.719
size of a big grapefruit. When we later recovered it,

1044
01:04:40.920 --> 01:04:43.639
my buddy Dave took it home as a souvenir. I

1045
01:04:43.679 --> 01:04:48.559
weighed sixteen pounds, so it was a big rock. And

1046
01:04:48.880 --> 01:04:51.760
it was thrown with so such force that, like I said,

1047
01:04:51.840 --> 01:04:53.719
you could hear it flying through the air before it

1048
01:04:53.800 --> 01:05:00.360
hit the tree. And now we're really awake and wondering

1049
01:05:00.400 --> 01:05:04.320
what was going on, and if someone's pranking us. You know,

1050
01:05:04.400 --> 01:05:08.280
my mind can't make sense of what's happening. If someone's

1051
01:05:08.320 --> 01:05:10.559
pranking us, how did they propel that rock like that?

1052
01:05:10.960 --> 01:05:16.599
And are we in danger right now? So we're looking

1053
01:05:16.639 --> 01:05:20.400
out and well we're still in the cabin. Dave hasn't

1054
01:05:20.400 --> 01:05:23.039
gone outside the cabin yet. We're looking out the window

1055
01:05:23.440 --> 01:05:26.039
and another rock comes rolling down the hill. A bigger one,

1056
01:05:26.159 --> 01:05:30.320
like a basketball sized rock, rolls past the cabin and

1057
01:05:30.400 --> 01:05:34.360
continues down the hill, and without warning, Dave jumps out

1058
01:05:34.400 --> 01:05:39.559
of his bunk. He's just got on his shorts, no shirt,

1059
01:05:40.159 --> 01:05:43.480
you know, no shoes, and goes out the screen door

1060
01:05:44.440 --> 01:05:47.000
and runs up the hill trying to figure out who's

1061
01:05:47.000 --> 01:05:49.559
doing this. And I stayed at the cabin, but I

1062
01:05:49.639 --> 01:05:51.760
moved from looking out the window to the back of

1063
01:05:51.800 --> 01:05:54.159
the cabin so I could see if Dave saw anything.

1064
01:05:55.239 --> 01:05:58.400
And I and just before that, I had yelled, thinking

1065
01:05:58.440 --> 01:06:00.440
that it might be my friend Kelly. He was one

1066
01:06:00.440 --> 01:06:03.719
of my best friends at church. I thought, for some reason,

1067
01:06:03.800 --> 01:06:05.840
is he out here doing that? And I'm like, hey, Kelly,

1068
01:06:06.400 --> 01:06:10.199
is that you? What are you doing? No answer, of course.

1069
01:06:11.159 --> 01:06:13.920
So Dave's running up the hill and above the cabin,

1070
01:06:15.039 --> 01:06:18.960
maybe one hundred hundred and fifty feet, the clearing ends,

1071
01:06:19.039 --> 01:06:23.199
and it's old growth rhododendron bushes up there and old growth,

1072
01:06:23.360 --> 01:06:26.960
you know, fir trees, forest, thick forest. He's getting close

1073
01:06:27.000 --> 01:06:30.039
to that and something catches my eye and off to

1074
01:06:30.079 --> 01:06:33.760
the right, I see my first bigfoot come up from

1075
01:06:33.760 --> 01:06:38.880
behind a roady bush, maybe six foot tall, rhododendron, and

1076
01:06:38.920 --> 01:06:41.480
it's standing up and it pushes the bush down next

1077
01:06:41.519 --> 01:06:45.039
to it and steps over it. I saw its leg

1078
01:06:45.119 --> 01:06:47.639
come up, I saw its arm holding the bush down,

1079
01:06:48.960 --> 01:06:52.119
and it steps over it, and it's gone into the forest.

1080
01:06:53.440 --> 01:06:59.920
And I'm I'm speechless. And I know others can understand

1081
01:07:00.000 --> 01:07:01.760
that have seen a big foot the first time. You

1082
01:07:01.920 --> 01:07:06.800
just I was in shock. I felt vulnerable. I was

1083
01:07:06.920 --> 01:07:09.719
I was amazed, you know, at what I had seen.

1084
01:07:09.800 --> 01:07:13.679
And Dave is still milling around up there. He didn't

1085
01:07:13.679 --> 01:07:15.840
say anything, and he comes right back and comes in

1086
01:07:15.920 --> 01:07:18.519
the screen door, and I grabbed him by both shoulders.

1087
01:07:19.159 --> 01:07:22.440
I said, we need to get out of here. I

1088
01:07:22.480 --> 01:07:25.800
just saw a bigfoot or something like that. We need

1089
01:07:25.800 --> 01:07:27.679
to get out of here. And we grabbed our stuff

1090
01:07:28.880 --> 01:07:30.920
the best we could and threw it in my car

1091
01:07:31.079 --> 01:07:36.239
and went up to the went up to the community

1092
01:07:36.280 --> 01:07:40.280
center hall. Nobody was up from my church yet. It

1093
01:07:40.320 --> 01:07:42.599
was very early. There were some cooks in the kitchen

1094
01:07:42.639 --> 01:07:46.400
making breakfast. We waited there until people started coming in,

1095
01:07:46.480 --> 01:07:49.599
and one of the first to come in was my pastor,

1096
01:07:51.320 --> 01:07:54.800
and we immediately told him what we had, what had happened,

1097
01:07:54.840 --> 01:07:58.880
and what I had seen, and he was looking at

1098
01:07:58.920 --> 01:08:03.440
his kind of side eyed, like okay. We didn't go

1099
01:08:03.519 --> 01:08:08.559
back immediately, but later Dave had forgotten his jacket. We

1100
01:08:08.599 --> 01:08:10.519
didn't know what else we'd missed, you know, in the

1101
01:08:10.639 --> 01:08:13.639
in the hurry, So we had the pastor go back

1102
01:08:13.639 --> 01:08:20.199
there with us and retrieved the jacket and look around

1103
01:08:20.199 --> 01:08:22.199
a little bit. We found the big rock that had

1104
01:08:22.279 --> 01:08:24.520
rolled past the cabin. We found the rock that had

1105
01:08:24.520 --> 01:08:29.319
did the tree, and it left a good sized mark

1106
01:08:29.399 --> 01:08:32.319
on that fir tree that it hit. It was it

1107
01:08:32.359 --> 01:08:35.359
was quite incredible, you know, down to the underbark. It

1108
01:08:35.479 --> 01:08:39.880
was crazy, how the force that it would have taken

1109
01:08:39.960 --> 01:08:43.239
to do that. So we climbed back up the hill

1110
01:08:43.239 --> 01:08:47.680
and Pastors got this sixteen pound rock in his arms.

1111
01:08:48.279 --> 01:08:52.760
We're walking up the hill and don't find any tracks.

1112
01:08:52.760 --> 01:08:55.479
Of course, it's just all kind of you know, the forest.

1113
01:08:55.520 --> 01:08:59.560
If there's mostly fur needles and duff, there's no way

1114
01:08:59.560 --> 01:09:03.479
you're going to find a footprint, especially in August. So

1115
01:09:03.760 --> 01:09:06.000
we walk up behind the first kind of set of

1116
01:09:06.079 --> 01:09:08.920
rhododenern bushes were kind of spread out, looking around. I

1117
01:09:09.079 --> 01:09:12.039
was over in the act at the bush where I'd

1118
01:09:12.039 --> 01:09:17.079
seen the bigfoot stand up, looking in there. Nothing you know,

1119
01:09:18.960 --> 01:09:22.159
and Pastor says, hey, guys, come here. So we go

1120
01:09:22.279 --> 01:09:26.479
over to where he is standing and he's shows. He says,

1121
01:09:26.560 --> 01:09:28.399
check this out. And there's a hole in the ground

1122
01:09:28.399 --> 01:09:31.159
there and he takes the rock that he's got in

1123
01:09:31.199 --> 01:09:33.199
his hand and he sets it down inside this hole

1124
01:09:33.239 --> 01:09:39.039
and it fits perfectly. And what I remember giving me

1125
01:09:39.159 --> 01:09:42.199
the chill was he set that rock in the hole.

1126
01:09:42.319 --> 01:09:44.920
It fit perfectly in the hole. And the water mark.

1127
01:09:45.039 --> 01:09:47.800
You know how a rock buried kind of halfway in

1128
01:09:47.880 --> 01:09:50.920
the ground. When you pull it out, it's it's lighter

1129
01:09:50.960 --> 01:09:54.520
on top and dark, you know, moist or wet underneath.

1130
01:09:54.880 --> 01:09:58.600
The watermark on the rock fit matched up perfectly, and

1131
01:09:58.800 --> 01:10:02.039
Pastor made the columb whoever pulled this out of the

1132
01:10:02.079 --> 01:10:04.359
ground did it? You know, they just pulled this out

1133
01:10:04.399 --> 01:10:08.880
of the ground easily. There's no marks or where you

1134
01:10:09.039 --> 01:10:11.760
and I would have to take a shovel, Jeremiah to

1135
01:10:11.800 --> 01:10:14.279
get that dislodge that rock. It looked like somebody just

1136
01:10:14.359 --> 01:10:17.600
reached down and grabbed it with their hand and twisted

1137
01:10:17.640 --> 01:10:20.800
it a little bit and pulled it out and then

1138
01:10:20.840 --> 01:10:23.359
stepped a few feet. You could almost imagine where they

1139
01:10:23.399 --> 01:10:27.760
threw it from, which was a good hundred over one

1140
01:10:27.840 --> 01:10:31.720
hundred feet, i'd say, from that bush, the first roady bush,

1141
01:10:32.439 --> 01:10:36.960
to the tree that it hit. So I don't know

1142
01:10:36.960 --> 01:10:38.920
what the world record is for a shot put, but

1143
01:10:39.000 --> 01:10:41.319
I know it's not a hundred, you know, one hundred feet.

1144
01:10:42.760 --> 01:10:47.079
So that kind of spooked us, and it spooked Pastor too,

1145
01:10:47.199 --> 01:10:50.079
And you know, I wanted him to explain to us,

1146
01:10:50.960 --> 01:10:53.800
and he didn't have an explanation, you know, he didn't say,

1147
01:10:53.840 --> 01:10:58.039
you know, well there's some dangerous people up here or

1148
01:10:58.319 --> 01:11:02.920
being caused by any thing. Man made no mention of

1149
01:11:03.279 --> 01:11:06.439
a big foot, and he said, well, maybe what you saw,

1150
01:11:07.079 --> 01:11:10.000
you know, was actually a big foot, he said. He

1151
01:11:10.039 --> 01:11:13.399
did say if it wasn't a bear, And this thing

1152
01:11:13.479 --> 01:11:16.760
was not a it was not a bear. It was

1153
01:11:16.800 --> 01:11:19.399
not a bear. It stood up, It wasn't light enough

1154
01:11:19.439 --> 01:11:21.800
to see any features except for the size of it.

1155
01:11:22.880 --> 01:11:25.319
And I don't know how tall it was. It was

1156
01:11:25.359 --> 01:11:28.840
as it was as broad as it was tall. It

1157
01:11:28.920 --> 01:11:32.119
was massive. I never, like I said, I'd never seen

1158
01:11:32.119 --> 01:11:36.439
anything like it, and I did not feel I didn't

1159
01:11:36.439 --> 01:11:39.319
feel safe. I was still inside the cabin and I

1160
01:11:39.359 --> 01:11:41.680
felt like, you know, and the more I thought about it,

1161
01:11:41.680 --> 01:11:45.760
the more it scared me. Like I felt like it

1162
01:11:45.800 --> 01:11:49.479
could have come right up to that screen window and

1163
01:11:49.680 --> 01:11:51.840
seen us sleeping in there, because we were on the

1164
01:11:51.880 --> 01:11:55.520
top bunks. At any moment, it could have just reached

1165
01:11:55.560 --> 01:12:00.319
through that screen and grabbed me, you know, I mean, heasily.

1166
01:12:01.680 --> 01:12:03.880
Or it could have thrown that rock through the screen

1167
01:12:05.439 --> 01:12:10.119
and heard us. So obviously, you know, my conclusion was

1168
01:12:10.159 --> 01:12:15.680
that these things are smart and cunning and creative and

1169
01:12:15.880 --> 01:12:21.479
curious and dangerous. You know, I've heard that they can be.

1170
01:12:22.760 --> 01:12:27.319
I figured that perhaps they're dangerous if you threaten them

1171
01:12:27.359 --> 01:12:30.199
in a in a violent way, you know, if you

1172
01:12:30.239 --> 01:12:33.880
shoot at one, like any animal. But it had every

1173
01:12:33.880 --> 01:12:36.119
opportunity it could have just walked through the door and

1174
01:12:36.159 --> 01:12:38.840
grabbed us. You know, there's no lock on the on

1175
01:12:38.880 --> 01:12:43.439
the screen door into the cabin. So sadly, my friend Dave,

1176
01:12:44.680 --> 01:12:46.880
he kept the rock as a door stop. He didn't

1177
01:12:46.960 --> 01:12:50.560
like talking about it much. It scared him. He kept

1178
01:12:50.880 --> 01:12:54.800
the rock for many years. We'd always kind of poke

1179
01:12:54.880 --> 01:12:57.720
fun at it when I'd go to visit him. He

1180
01:12:57.760 --> 01:13:01.119
passed away back in twenty ten. Sadly, so I'm the

1181
01:13:01.159 --> 01:13:06.840
only survivor of that story. But yeah, so in an instant, I,

1182
01:13:06.920 --> 01:13:09.560
like many have said, I went from I don't know

1183
01:13:09.640 --> 01:13:11.600
if I was a non believer, but I was a

1184
01:13:11.640 --> 01:13:18.880
skeptic to a full blown you know they're real type proclamation.

1185
01:13:21.279 --> 01:13:24.800
How many seconds do you think it was that you'd

1186
01:13:24.880 --> 01:13:27.039
actually seen it, like behind, I think it was behind

1187
01:13:27.039 --> 01:13:28.800
the bush, and it stepped over the bush right.

1188
01:13:30.159 --> 01:13:32.039
I didn't know it was behind the bush until it

1189
01:13:32.079 --> 01:13:35.640
stood up. When Dave had gotten up to the first

1190
01:13:35.720 --> 01:13:39.079
kind of set of rhododendrons there, and he was maybe

1191
01:13:39.159 --> 01:13:41.479
fifty feet to the left of it. He didn't hear

1192
01:13:41.520 --> 01:13:44.880
a thing, and I can't say I heard it either.

1193
01:13:45.079 --> 01:13:49.720
I didn't hear anything, but my attention was immediately drawn

1194
01:13:49.920 --> 01:13:53.000
to the right of him. When it stood up and

1195
01:13:53.039 --> 01:13:55.079
put its arm out to hold the bush, you know,

1196
01:13:55.159 --> 01:13:57.319
next to it. It was like he was pushing it

1197
01:13:57.359 --> 01:13:59.800
down so he could step over it. And that's what

1198
01:13:59.840 --> 01:14:02.800
he did. He took his I guess it would have

1199
01:14:02.800 --> 01:14:06.039
been his left leg and stepped up over this bush

1200
01:14:06.760 --> 01:14:09.560
and spun around, so his right leg followed him and

1201
01:14:09.600 --> 01:14:12.319
then off off into the woods. So I didn't see

1202
01:14:12.319 --> 01:14:15.199
it for more than all that happened within you know,

1203
01:14:15.239 --> 01:14:18.359
three or four seconds from him standing up, making the

1204
01:14:18.439 --> 01:14:21.840
move and disappearing into the woods. It's leaving me there

1205
01:14:21.880 --> 01:14:23.680
with like, holy crap.

1206
01:14:23.760 --> 01:14:28.039
Wow, And it's a thing where so you did not

1207
01:14:28.199 --> 01:14:31.399
see like facial details, but were you able to tell

1208
01:14:31.560 --> 01:14:34.279
like if it was covered with hair and length of

1209
01:14:34.319 --> 01:14:34.880
hair at all?

1210
01:14:35.920 --> 01:14:39.319
Yeah, it was real dark still, but it looked black. Okay,

1211
01:14:39.520 --> 01:14:42.239
you know it looked black and covered with hair. I'm

1212
01:14:42.279 --> 01:14:48.439
assuming that it was. But you know, sadly it wasn't

1213
01:14:48.479 --> 01:14:50.880
a little lighter out. I would have loved to got

1214
01:14:50.880 --> 01:14:53.079
a better look at it. Now I can say that

1215
01:14:53.119 --> 01:14:56.479
I don't know about actually being there and wishing that

1216
01:14:56.600 --> 01:15:01.039
on anyone, but yeah, not much detailed. Just the size

1217
01:15:01.039 --> 01:15:05.079
of it stood out. I could see definition, you know,

1218
01:15:05.359 --> 01:15:08.319
how broad it was. And then how quickly and quietly

1219
01:15:08.359 --> 01:15:11.680
it moved away too, was surprising. Big.

1220
01:15:11.720 --> 01:15:14.279
So society will be right back after these messages.

1221
01:15:30.279 --> 01:15:32.359
You'd think you would, you know, hear something, but I

1222
01:15:32.399 --> 01:15:35.279
didn't that.

1223
01:15:35.439 --> 01:15:38.199
And so this state park is one that I've looked

1224
01:15:38.199 --> 01:15:42.640
into before. It's an interesting state park just because it's

1225
01:15:42.680 --> 01:15:46.199
in an area where you know, Silverton is to the north,

1226
01:15:46.319 --> 01:15:49.880
which has a lot of accounts there, and then you've

1227
01:15:49.880 --> 01:15:55.920
got Welala Colton. But it's the biggest state park in Oregon.

1228
01:15:56.079 --> 01:15:58.800
It almost was a national park actually, but they shut

1229
01:15:58.840 --> 01:16:01.920
that down in nineteen twenty. It never passed, right, But

1230
01:16:02.119 --> 01:16:05.720
there's actually other reports in that State Park of Visuals,

1231
01:16:05.760 --> 01:16:09.319
which is interesting. You look around, you can find them.

1232
01:16:09.319 --> 01:16:10.960
It's on the BFRO and stuff like that.

1233
01:16:11.079 --> 01:16:17.920
But sure, so you know there was. It's just curious

1234
01:16:18.000 --> 01:16:21.319
because you know, I see a lot of the expeditions

1235
01:16:21.439 --> 01:16:24.439
to look for Bigfoot, you know, Todd Standing and Leicester,

1236
01:16:24.640 --> 01:16:28.520
all those guys, they're in these ultra remote locations, right,

1237
01:16:29.560 --> 01:16:31.960
you know that you can't you and I can't get there,

1238
01:16:32.680 --> 01:16:35.199
and they're looking for him up there. But both of

1239
01:16:35.199 --> 01:16:37.159
my sidings were you know, there was one hundred and

1240
01:16:37.239 --> 01:16:41.000
fifty people at that family camp, not right there on

1241
01:16:41.039 --> 01:16:44.319
the Hillside complex where Dave and I were, but all

1242
01:16:44.359 --> 01:16:47.920
together there's people running around all over there all day long.

1243
01:16:49.960 --> 01:16:55.399
And then my second sighting, same story. I'll go right

1244
01:16:55.399 --> 01:16:58.319
into that now, so I don't keep you too long here, Jeremiah. Sure,

1245
01:16:59.359 --> 01:17:03.199
it was at the Detroit Lake in nineteen ninety five

1246
01:17:03.399 --> 01:17:06.479
on the second of July, my birthday's fourth of July,

1247
01:17:07.760 --> 01:17:11.119
and it was on the island at Detroit Lake, Piety Island,

1248
01:17:11.319 --> 01:17:15.800
at the boat camp there me I was there with

1249
01:17:16.039 --> 01:17:18.560
my friend Steve and his girlfriend were in my camp.

1250
01:17:19.800 --> 01:17:22.359
We had taken a campsite to furthest up the hill

1251
01:17:22.520 --> 01:17:24.880
away from other people that had come out there. It

1252
01:17:24.880 --> 01:17:27.199
was about a dozen of us that had come out

1253
01:17:27.199 --> 01:17:30.520
to boat camp. I had a jet ski and we've

1254
01:17:30.560 --> 01:17:32.880
done this several times right there. And they do the

1255
01:17:32.880 --> 01:17:35.840
fireworks at Detroit Lake on the third so it was

1256
01:17:36.199 --> 01:17:39.319
always fun to celebrate my birthday and to see the

1257
01:17:39.319 --> 01:17:43.479
fireworks there. Swimming and fishing and whatnot. So on the

1258
01:17:43.560 --> 01:17:48.600
second of July, I had just finished kind of partying

1259
01:17:48.680 --> 01:17:51.279
and hanging out in a campground down on the beach

1260
01:17:51.359 --> 01:17:55.000
with my friend Sean and his girlfriend several others. That

1261
01:17:55.079 --> 01:17:57.479
was kind of the meeting place for everybody on that trip.

1262
01:17:58.079 --> 01:18:00.840
And my friend Steve and I and his girlfriend Nancy

1263
01:18:01.079 --> 01:18:04.319
returned to our camp. So I I was pretty late.

1264
01:18:05.119 --> 01:18:08.319
I'm not really sure what time, maybe eleven twelve, I

1265
01:18:08.359 --> 01:18:10.800
don't know. They went right to bed. Our tents were

1266
01:18:10.800 --> 01:18:13.359
set up next to each other. They went to bed.

1267
01:18:15.000 --> 01:18:20.720
I wanted to wind wind down a little bit. I'd

1268
01:18:20.720 --> 01:18:23.399
build up the fire and our our fire pit had

1269
01:18:23.399 --> 01:18:26.319
an established fire pit there cement with a you know,

1270
01:18:26.399 --> 01:18:30.960
the metal swinging grill, and I had my sleeping pad

1271
01:18:31.039 --> 01:18:34.239
laid out by the fire. Didn't have a camp chair.

1272
01:18:34.319 --> 01:18:37.239
So I'm laying there with my you know, head on

1273
01:18:37.279 --> 01:18:40.119
my in my hand up on my elbow, on my side,

1274
01:18:40.520 --> 01:18:44.560
watching the fire. And I had my my friend Steve's dog, Susha,

1275
01:18:45.079 --> 01:18:49.479
a big old chocolate lab, laying by me. I was

1276
01:18:49.560 --> 01:18:52.840
kind of using her, kind of like a pillow. Very

1277
01:18:52.880 --> 01:18:54.840
cool dog. All I want to add right now that

1278
01:18:54.880 --> 01:19:00.239
this dog, whether it loved deer or hated deer, I'm

1279
01:19:00.279 --> 01:19:03.279
not sure. But if a deer was anywhere around our camp,

1280
01:19:03.800 --> 01:19:06.079
whenever we went camp and she was out of there

1281
01:19:06.159 --> 01:19:09.640
chasing it, it was almost a problem. Because sometimes she'd

1282
01:19:09.680 --> 01:19:12.640
be gone an hour or two. We always wondered if

1283
01:19:12.680 --> 01:19:15.039
she was going to come back, and she wouldn't bark

1284
01:19:15.119 --> 01:19:18.039
or anything. She'd just be laying there one minute and

1285
01:19:18.079 --> 01:19:20.920
the next second just take off like a rocket. We

1286
01:19:21.000 --> 01:19:24.279
knew what she was after, right, So she's laying there

1287
01:19:24.279 --> 01:19:28.600
by me and my fire's My fire was dying down,

1288
01:19:29.159 --> 01:19:32.000
so there wasn't much flame left, but there was plenty

1289
01:19:32.079 --> 01:19:36.479
of smoke coming up off the fire, and that was

1290
01:19:36.520 --> 01:19:38.880
one of the advantages of laying on that pad. If

1291
01:19:38.880 --> 01:19:40.560
it blew my way. It kind of just went over

1292
01:19:40.600 --> 01:19:42.319
the top of me and didn't get any of my eyes.

1293
01:19:42.840 --> 01:19:46.399
So anyway, I'm laying there and Susha's at my head,

1294
01:19:46.439 --> 01:19:49.399
like I said, and she lets out a little growl,

1295
01:19:50.479 --> 01:19:56.359
kind of a low, low growl, and it's and goes

1296
01:19:56.399 --> 01:20:00.119
on alert. So she's sitting up now and kind of

1297
01:20:00.159 --> 01:20:03.279
looking off up the hill from me, and I was

1298
01:20:03.359 --> 01:20:05.199
checking her out to see where she was looking at,

1299
01:20:05.520 --> 01:20:09.039
but she hasn't taken off, and I was wondering, if

1300
01:20:09.039 --> 01:20:11.439
it's a deer, how come you're not chasing it already.

1301
01:20:12.199 --> 01:20:16.319
And I hear I hear a stick break, big stick break,

1302
01:20:16.920 --> 01:20:19.520
and very close to camp, and it made a crack.

1303
01:20:19.680 --> 01:20:22.960
I mean it sounded like a big stick you would

1304
01:20:22.960 --> 01:20:26.079
put over your knee or stomp on to break it.

1305
01:20:26.199 --> 01:20:31.800
But it it got my attention, and now Susha's very

1306
01:20:32.039 --> 01:20:37.880
worried and whining a little bit about it. And though

1307
01:20:38.000 --> 01:20:40.439
I have a pen light on my keey chain in

1308
01:20:40.479 --> 01:20:44.159
my pocket, one of those little flashlights you screw clothes

1309
01:20:44.239 --> 01:20:46.560
to make the light come on. So I get that

1310
01:20:46.680 --> 01:20:48.319
out and I turn on the light and the battery

1311
01:20:48.359 --> 01:20:51.560
and it's real crappy, but it's still making some kind

1312
01:20:51.600 --> 01:20:55.039
of light, and I kind of get up on my

1313
01:20:55.119 --> 01:20:59.319
knees and I'm shining it through the smoke and up

1314
01:20:59.319 --> 01:21:03.039
the hill above my camp there see if I can

1315
01:21:03.039 --> 01:21:06.880
see anything, kind of at ground level where you might

1316
01:21:06.880 --> 01:21:10.880
see a deer. And something catches my eye. And what

1317
01:21:11.760 --> 01:21:16.439
I see is I raise my flashlight up and from

1318
01:21:16.479 --> 01:21:19.159
behind the tree behind camp, maybe ten feet behind the

1319
01:21:19.199 --> 01:21:24.479
fire ring, I see one glowing eye. I don't know

1320
01:21:24.520 --> 01:21:26.520
if it was red or yet, I think it must

1321
01:21:26.520 --> 01:21:31.159
have been. I remember being a yellow glow, but big,

1322
01:21:31.840 --> 01:21:35.920
this eye peering out for me behind the tree. And

1323
01:21:37.520 --> 01:21:40.279
you know, my mind's going nuts right now. I can't

1324
01:21:40.319 --> 01:21:43.640
figure out what it is. So I stand up, and

1325
01:21:43.720 --> 01:21:46.960
I wasn't really afraid yet. I had to figure out

1326
01:21:47.000 --> 01:21:49.399
what this was. I wanted to figure out what this was.

1327
01:21:50.239 --> 01:21:55.279
So for whatever reason, I stepped right across the fire,

1328
01:21:55.439 --> 01:21:59.760
right across the grate, through the smoke, towards this thing

1329
01:22:00.640 --> 01:22:02.359
so I can get a better view of it, so

1330
01:22:02.399 --> 01:22:05.880
the smoke isn't in my way. And as soon as

1331
01:22:05.880 --> 01:22:09.239
I get across it, it goes behind the tree and

1332
01:22:09.359 --> 01:22:11.479
comes out on the other side. Now I see both

1333
01:22:11.520 --> 01:22:20.479
eyes looking at me, and it's big, and I know

1334
01:22:20.520 --> 01:22:23.960
what this is now. I can see the outline it's

1335
01:22:24.039 --> 01:22:26.640
facing me. I can see the outline of its left side.

1336
01:22:26.680 --> 01:22:28.640
It's not all the way out from the tree, but

1337
01:22:28.680 --> 01:22:32.439
I can see it plainly that I'm standing right in

1338
01:22:32.439 --> 01:22:35.199
front of a bigfoot. And as soon as it's blinking

1339
01:22:35.239 --> 01:22:38.319
at me too, and as soon as I see it

1340
01:22:39.000 --> 01:22:43.760
in full view, it squats down, like you know, it's

1341
01:22:44.000 --> 01:22:47.880
getting like the call of nature. It squats down and

1342
01:22:47.920 --> 01:22:49.920
puts its hands out in front of me or out

1343
01:22:49.960 --> 01:22:52.760
in front of it on the ground. And I've still

1344
01:22:52.760 --> 01:22:55.520
got my light and my arm extended completely out in

1345
01:22:55.560 --> 01:22:57.399
front of me, and I'm shining my light right on

1346
01:22:57.439 --> 01:23:01.880
its eyeballs, and I can see it. It's massive, you know.

1347
01:23:02.039 --> 01:23:05.119
I don't know how tall it was. I never measured it,

1348
01:23:05.159 --> 01:23:09.560
but it was a good nine ten foot tall sauce bigfoot. Huge.

1349
01:23:10.439 --> 01:23:13.119
Seemed like it was even bigger than the one I'd

1350
01:23:13.119 --> 01:23:17.479
seen in nineteen seventy nine. And it squatted down. It's

1351
01:23:17.560 --> 01:23:23.279
completely broad, it's just massive. And a couple seconds later

1352
01:23:23.960 --> 01:23:26.479
and I'm just frozen there with my flashlight. A couple

1353
01:23:26.600 --> 01:23:29.439
seconds later, it starts moving away from me down the

1354
01:23:29.520 --> 01:23:34.119
hill towards the beach, and Susha has taken off. She's

1355
01:23:34.199 --> 01:23:39.399
nowhere to be seen. She didn't bark, or she decided

1356
01:23:39.439 --> 01:23:42.680
she didn't want any part of this thing. And it

1357
01:23:42.720 --> 01:23:45.199
moves away from me. And while it's moving away, it's

1358
01:23:45.239 --> 01:23:48.920
standing up and squatting, standing up and squatting, going up

1359
01:23:48.960 --> 01:23:52.319
and down, up and down, and it kept its eyes

1360
01:23:52.319 --> 01:23:55.359
on me the whole time. And it got down the

1361
01:23:55.439 --> 01:23:57.920
hill from me, thirty or forty feet, still looking at me.

1362
01:23:58.439 --> 01:24:00.680
And I'm now all I can see is the eye shine.

1363
01:24:01.960 --> 01:24:05.239
And it got to a point where it was the

1364
01:24:05.239 --> 01:24:07.560
the angle of the hill. It was going to disappear,

1365
01:24:07.960 --> 01:24:12.079
and I got the creeps like I became. Now I'm

1366
01:24:12.119 --> 01:24:15.680
ready to act. And I went from my fire pit

1367
01:24:15.760 --> 01:24:18.439
to my tent. In about a half a second. I

1368
01:24:18.560 --> 01:24:23.239
just dove into my tent, breathing heavily. I was. I

1369
01:24:23.319 --> 01:24:27.840
was petrified at what I'd just seen. Susha's nowhere to incite.

1370
01:24:28.600 --> 01:24:30.800
I jumped in my tent and grabbed my sleeping bag

1371
01:24:30.840 --> 01:24:32.640
and put it over my head like a like a

1372
01:24:32.720 --> 01:24:35.840
child hiding from a monster in his bedroom. You know.

1373
01:24:36.880 --> 01:24:41.199
That was that was my protection, was that thin walled tent,

1374
01:24:41.319 --> 01:24:44.079
my sleeping bag. And I'm on my hands and knees

1375
01:24:44.079 --> 01:24:45.680
with my bag over my head, and I don't know

1376
01:24:45.720 --> 01:24:50.199
how long I stayed like that, just hoping that whatever happened,

1377
01:24:50.199 --> 01:24:53.039
that it didn't come back and, you know, kill me.

1378
01:24:53.680 --> 01:24:56.119
I felt like when it moved away from me, it

1379
01:24:56.199 --> 01:24:58.920
might be trying to come around behind me, which is

1380
01:24:58.960 --> 01:25:03.960
why I acted ran to my tent so Strangely enough,

1381
01:25:04.920 --> 01:25:09.640
after all of that, I fell asleep and woke up

1382
01:25:09.760 --> 01:25:13.720
kind of panicky and sat up in my tent, thinking,

1383
01:25:13.960 --> 01:25:16.600
you know that what I saw was that a dream?

1384
01:25:16.800 --> 01:25:19.640
You know. No poked my head out the tent and

1385
01:25:19.960 --> 01:25:23.119
Susha had come back to camp and was walking around

1386
01:25:24.000 --> 01:25:25.560
in front of my tent a little bit. I called

1387
01:25:25.600 --> 01:25:29.960
her into my tent and zipped it up and went

1388
01:25:30.000 --> 01:25:32.279
back went back to sleep with her. I got up

1389
01:25:32.319 --> 01:25:35.720
real early. I didn't sleep much, got up real early,

1390
01:25:35.840 --> 01:25:39.479
got my fire going and some coffee. My friend Sean

1391
01:25:39.640 --> 01:25:42.399
saw me doing that from the camp down by the beach,

1392
01:25:42.439 --> 01:25:45.039
and he came up the hill with his coffee cup

1393
01:25:45.079 --> 01:25:48.520
to to get some coffee from me, and I told

1394
01:25:48.600 --> 01:25:52.600
him what had happened, and he was he was blown away.

1395
01:25:52.680 --> 01:25:56.119
He started looking around on the tree again. The forest

1396
01:25:56.159 --> 01:25:59.920
floor was there was not a conducive for leaving any tracks,

1397
01:26:00.399 --> 01:26:03.600
so there weren't any tracks or anything. Later in the day,

1398
01:26:03.640 --> 01:26:07.960
I followed abandoned fire road or whatever that wound around

1399
01:26:08.000 --> 01:26:11.600
the back side of the island to the top to

1400
01:26:11.640 --> 01:26:14.000
see if I could find any more signs or tracks.

1401
01:26:15.479 --> 01:26:19.279
I did not. On top of Piety Island, there's a

1402
01:26:19.359 --> 01:26:24.399
slash pile of abandoned timber, quite a sizable pile that

1403
01:26:24.760 --> 01:26:28.439
was never harvested, but is still there, moss covered and weathered.

1404
01:26:29.439 --> 01:26:31.520
And when I got up to the top and saw

1405
01:26:31.560 --> 01:26:35.319
that there were some real dark holes inside this pile

1406
01:26:35.359 --> 01:26:39.640
of logs, that made that, you know, a very creepy

1407
01:26:39.640 --> 01:26:42.319
feeling standing there looking like there was something in there

1408
01:26:42.319 --> 01:26:45.159
looking back at me, And I didn't stick around long

1409
01:26:45.199 --> 01:26:47.960
and went back down to camp. By the time I

1410
01:26:48.039 --> 01:26:51.479
got back down, there was another family that was camping

1411
01:26:51.520 --> 01:26:56.279
with us with their kids that had come out in

1412
01:26:56.319 --> 01:26:59.319
a ski boat, and my friend Sean had told him

1413
01:26:59.359 --> 01:27:02.960
what I had seen. And this this fellow shared with

1414
01:27:03.039 --> 01:27:05.000
me that while he was at a boy scout camp

1415
01:27:05.880 --> 01:27:08.680
pretty close to fur Lake when he was a kid,

1416
01:27:10.279 --> 01:27:14.479
that their their scout master, had seen a bigfoot while

1417
01:27:14.520 --> 01:27:15.920
he had gotten up in the night and there was

1418
01:27:15.920 --> 01:27:18.680
one in their camp at the Scout camp and made

1419
01:27:18.720 --> 01:27:21.680
everybody clear out the following day. He said it was

1420
01:27:21.720 --> 01:27:25.000
a surreal experience because he not only did he had

1421
01:27:25.039 --> 01:27:27.520
never heard one before, but you know, to actually have

1422
01:27:27.640 --> 01:27:31.039
to leave the camp because of one. So he packed

1423
01:27:31.119 --> 01:27:34.239
up his kids and everything and took off that day.

1424
01:27:34.640 --> 01:27:37.119
On the on the third of July, he didn't even

1425
01:27:37.159 --> 01:27:39.720
stay for the fireworks. He was like, he felt like

1426
01:27:39.760 --> 01:27:42.479
he was in danger if we had one right there

1427
01:27:42.479 --> 01:27:46.800
on the island. I stayed two more nights and I

1428
01:27:46.880 --> 01:27:50.159
didn't worry about it. On you know, the third of July,

1429
01:27:50.279 --> 01:27:52.640
there was fireworks going off. It sounds like a war

1430
01:27:52.760 --> 01:27:56.079
zone there. I didn't. I didn't think about it that night,

1431
01:27:56.159 --> 01:27:59.359
and then stayed the night of my birthday on the

1432
01:27:59.399 --> 01:28:02.720
fourth and went home the fifth. And it didn't really

1433
01:28:03.039 --> 01:28:07.199
didn't really bother me, I guess, thinking back, you know again,

1434
01:28:09.159 --> 01:28:12.039
I was I was ten feet from it or closer

1435
01:28:12.760 --> 01:28:14.800
when it was squatting down, and I was standing there

1436
01:28:14.800 --> 01:28:17.039
with my little light. You know, I could hear it breathing,

1437
01:28:18.159 --> 01:28:20.119
and he could have reached out and snapped me like

1438
01:28:20.159 --> 01:28:23.720
a twig, and he didn't. He just checked me out

1439
01:28:23.760 --> 01:28:27.000
for a second. Maybe maybe five or ten seconds. It

1440
01:28:27.039 --> 01:28:29.399
was squatted down before it started moving down the hill.

1441
01:28:30.520 --> 01:28:34.319
But the way it moved down that hill was very strange.

1442
01:28:34.399 --> 01:28:37.399
How it stood all the way up and went down

1443
01:28:37.479 --> 01:28:39.800
almost to the ground, up and down three or four

1444
01:28:39.800 --> 01:28:43.279
times before you know, I high tailed it and jumped

1445
01:28:43.279 --> 01:28:49.680
into my tent. So there you have it, man.

1446
01:28:49.880 --> 01:28:53.159
I I can't imagine going to do something like that

1447
01:28:53.159 --> 01:28:57.119
that's on an island. I mean, that's that's the crazy part,

1448
01:28:57.119 --> 01:29:00.680
because you you can't just really get away with it.

1449
01:29:00.680 --> 01:29:03.199
It's stuck with you on the island.

1450
01:29:04.920 --> 01:29:10.600
Yeah. So did it swim out there? You know, I've

1451
01:29:10.640 --> 01:29:12.560
often I've thought about that too. How did it get

1452
01:29:12.600 --> 01:29:15.880
out there? I've heard other accounts, especially up in the

1453
01:29:15.920 --> 01:29:23.039
San Juan Islands. Yep. Yeah, well groups of them being

1454
01:29:23.079 --> 01:29:25.159
seen on the shores of some of those little islands

1455
01:29:25.199 --> 01:29:28.279
up there. The only other explanation would be that it

1456
01:29:29.640 --> 01:29:32.359
walked out there. In the winter when they draw the

1457
01:29:32.439 --> 01:29:35.039
reservoir down, there's a land bridge between the town and

1458
01:29:35.119 --> 01:29:38.319
Detroit and the island that you can, you know, walk

1459
01:29:38.319 --> 01:29:42.159
out all the way to the island on. But there's

1460
01:29:42.239 --> 01:29:44.880
nothing on that island to sustain. There are deer on

1461
01:29:44.920 --> 01:29:47.600
that island so I can't say that it couldn't sustain

1462
01:29:47.640 --> 01:29:51.039
itself there, but it's not that you know, the island

1463
01:29:51.079 --> 01:29:54.680
itself is half mile long, quarter mile away. It's not

1464
01:29:54.800 --> 01:29:57.800
very big, and I don't know what it would be

1465
01:29:57.880 --> 01:30:01.119
eating to be out there permanently.

1466
01:30:01.279 --> 01:30:04.039
Big for society will be right back after these messages.

1467
01:30:20.079 --> 01:30:26.039
So I think it was curious about again just speculation,

1468
01:30:26.199 --> 01:30:28.760
but I figure it was curious about all that activity

1469
01:30:28.760 --> 01:30:33.359
out there and swam out there, which is a pretty

1470
01:30:33.399 --> 01:30:35.640
good swim from you know, either side of the lake.

1471
01:30:36.960 --> 01:30:40.479
Yeah, I mean it makes sense and maybe if it's

1472
01:30:40.720 --> 01:30:43.439
used like let's say it's used to that area and

1473
01:30:44.600 --> 01:30:48.880
this is super you know, speculation, but like it knows

1474
01:30:49.199 --> 01:30:52.279
that there's going to be a lot of people on

1475
01:30:52.359 --> 01:30:55.119
that island around that time of year, and it might

1476
01:30:55.159 --> 01:30:57.039
be well, there's going to be more food out here,

1477
01:30:57.199 --> 01:31:00.000
so maybe I can go around and scroung some stuff up.

1478
01:31:00.159 --> 01:31:02.279
I don't know, but so it was.

1479
01:31:02.399 --> 01:31:04.319
That was the second of July, and they did the

1480
01:31:04.359 --> 01:31:08.600
fireworks on the third, right, So unless it swam back

1481
01:31:08.640 --> 01:31:11.600
to the mainland, you know, it was out there for

1482
01:31:11.640 --> 01:31:15.239
those fireworks too. I can't imagine you know, a creature

1483
01:31:15.319 --> 01:31:22.439
like that being okay with mortars going off? Yeah, yeah,

1484
01:31:22.880 --> 01:31:25.279
so suppose. Yeah.

1485
01:31:25.319 --> 01:31:30.079
So when you saw and you were were you able

1486
01:31:30.119 --> 01:31:32.039
to see well, yeah, you were able to see an

1487
01:31:32.039 --> 01:31:34.399
outline because you could see the side of its its body.

1488
01:31:34.439 --> 01:31:36.640
Would could you see an outline of its head at all?

1489
01:31:38.439 --> 01:31:42.840
Oh? Yeah, I I I. It was very big and black,

1490
01:31:43.199 --> 01:31:46.039
you know, this this this one was completely jet black.

1491
01:31:47.279 --> 01:31:50.960
And my my little pen light didn't really give this

1492
01:31:51.000 --> 01:31:56.000
thing justice, but it was very dark skinned. I can't

1493
01:31:56.039 --> 01:31:58.159
really say I could tell the colors of his eyes

1494
01:31:58.199 --> 01:32:03.039
because his eyes were glowing and or just as black

1495
01:32:03.479 --> 01:32:08.119
as the creature itself, but I could definitely see how

1496
01:32:08.199 --> 01:32:13.319
broad it was. It took my breath away to see

1497
01:32:13.359 --> 01:32:18.039
how enormous this thing was. And when I first noticed

1498
01:32:18.039 --> 01:32:19.880
it behind the tree, you know, I'm looking at my

1499
01:32:20.359 --> 01:32:23.640
lights shining four or five feet off the ground, looking

1500
01:32:23.680 --> 01:32:26.840
for a deer, and I had to go. I bet

1501
01:32:26.840 --> 01:32:31.760
it was nine ten feet tallow, and the way it

1502
01:32:31.840 --> 01:32:35.920
plotted down as if it were just getting down on

1503
01:32:35.960 --> 01:32:38.920
my level, you know, like here, let me give you

1504
01:32:38.960 --> 01:32:43.079
a better look at me, and put its arms out

1505
01:32:43.119 --> 01:32:48.279
and its hands down on the ground. You know, I

1506
01:32:48.319 --> 01:32:52.000
could have walked over and shook his hand but I didn't,

1507
01:32:52.039 --> 01:32:55.640
of course, and it scared me more later thinking about

1508
01:32:55.640 --> 01:32:57.880
what could have happened than what did actually happen.

1509
01:32:58.079 --> 01:33:02.840
Absolutely, I mean it, Yeah, you always think of stuff

1510
01:33:02.880 --> 01:33:05.960
like that, and it's a thing where and man, this

1511
01:33:06.239 --> 01:33:09.359
just came up in I just talked to another individual

1512
01:33:09.840 --> 01:33:13.199
and it seems like it keeps coming up in interviews lately.

1513
01:33:13.439 --> 01:33:17.840
Is that you have the encounter or the interaction and

1514
01:33:17.840 --> 01:33:20.840
then you immediately go to sleep? And why is that? Like,

1515
01:33:21.119 --> 01:33:25.000
is it just is everyone you go through that adrenaline

1516
01:33:25.239 --> 01:33:28.880
or is there something related to you know, having that

1517
01:33:29.119 --> 01:33:32.479
encounter that like the person goes boom right to sleep.

1518
01:33:32.640 --> 01:33:33.560
It's so weird.

1519
01:33:35.399 --> 01:33:38.119
Yeah, I don't know if it's a defense mechanism or

1520
01:33:39.119 --> 01:33:46.039
self preservation or just or absolute relief that I survived

1521
01:33:46.079 --> 01:33:47.960
the encounter and now here I am in my tent.

1522
01:33:48.079 --> 01:33:51.680
I'm safe. You know. I felt like that it felt

1523
01:33:51.720 --> 01:33:54.239
like it was moving away from me when I left

1524
01:33:54.800 --> 01:33:57.760
the fire ring and now I'm in my tent. I

1525
01:33:58.399 --> 01:34:01.560
can't explain it either. You think something like that. I mean,

1526
01:34:01.600 --> 01:34:03.960
I watch a scary movie and I'm up half the

1527
01:34:04.039 --> 01:34:07.680
night and think that that would do it too. I

1528
01:34:09.000 --> 01:34:13.800
want to add that it's frustrating being in my shoes

1529
01:34:14.760 --> 01:34:18.920
and knowing what I saw was real both times, and

1530
01:34:19.079 --> 01:34:21.119
the other things I described to you that could have

1531
01:34:21.199 --> 01:34:25.680
been possibly an interaction with Bigfoot, especially the rabbit that

1532
01:34:25.840 --> 01:34:29.840
was left for Bob, you know these things. It's frustrating

1533
01:34:29.920 --> 01:34:34.920
to think that anyone wouldn't believe what I'm saying. You know,

1534
01:34:35.000 --> 01:34:39.159
I'm a Christian, god fearing man. I don't I'm not

1535
01:34:39.199 --> 01:34:42.079
gaining anything by I wouldn't gain anything by lying about

1536
01:34:42.119 --> 01:34:45.199
something like this, and why would I? And I do

1537
01:34:45.239 --> 01:34:53.319
believe that possibly the evidence exists as we speak of

1538
01:34:54.720 --> 01:34:59.159
the validity and the existence of Bigfoot. I believe that

1539
01:34:59.199 --> 01:35:04.720
someone is either ran one over shot, one has rights

1540
01:35:05.319 --> 01:35:09.319
unmistakable video that it exists now. But the fear of

1541
01:35:09.399 --> 01:35:15.920
ridicule and maybe just the fear of success. I don't know,

1542
01:35:16.640 --> 01:35:19.079
but it seems logical to think that of all the

1543
01:35:19.119 --> 01:35:23.199
sightings in all of the places, that somebody somewhere has

1544
01:35:23.239 --> 01:35:25.239
got some evidence they're not sharing.

1545
01:35:28.000 --> 01:35:30.399
No, I agree one hundred percent, And you know, I

1546
01:35:30.399 --> 01:35:35.880
don't know if it's just over being overly optimistic, but

1547
01:35:36.119 --> 01:35:40.880
I do think that, yeah, they're they're man. I sometimes

1548
01:35:40.880 --> 01:35:42.600
i think I'm like, man, is this the year, and

1549
01:35:42.640 --> 01:35:45.720
then I'm like, how many how many people in this

1550
01:35:45.920 --> 01:35:49.760
in this community have been thinking that since years and years?

1551
01:35:50.079 --> 01:35:53.199
But I mean, we just got to be optimistic. I mean,

1552
01:35:53.600 --> 01:35:56.840
there's stuff going on that I know a little bit about,

1553
01:35:56.960 --> 01:35:59.560
and it's just there's some wacky, wacky stuff going on

1554
01:35:59.640 --> 01:36:02.600
regard I don't know if it'll come out to anything,

1555
01:36:02.720 --> 01:36:06.079
but I mean, twenty twenty five could be a really

1556
01:36:06.119 --> 01:36:10.399
really interesting year when it comes to Bigfoot. But you know,

1557
01:36:10.439 --> 01:36:12.720
I do like to I do like to ask people,

1558
01:36:13.000 --> 01:36:16.800
you know, witnesses that do have that sighting and you

1559
01:36:16.800 --> 01:36:21.000
were able to see, you know, some definite details from

1560
01:36:21.039 --> 01:36:24.880
what you were able to see of the creature, specifically

1561
01:36:24.920 --> 01:36:27.680
like in the in the face, how would you how

1562
01:36:27.680 --> 01:36:30.119
would you categorize that? Would that be? Was it more

1563
01:36:30.279 --> 01:36:34.920
something that was ape like or some form of human or.

1564
01:36:38.279 --> 01:36:39.960
I guess it would I'd have to say it was

1565
01:36:40.000 --> 01:36:46.279
a mixture of both. But I will say that the characteristics,

1566
01:36:46.359 --> 01:36:50.199
the behaviors that I experienced both times, both at Silver

1567
01:36:50.279 --> 01:36:54.760
Creek and at Detroit Lake, the behavior was an indicative

1568
01:36:54.880 --> 01:36:58.880
of a human, you know, the way that it I do.

1569
01:36:59.039 --> 01:37:01.520
I believe it broke that stick on purpose to get

1570
01:37:01.520 --> 01:37:06.760
my attention on the island, and you know, played peek

1571
01:37:06.760 --> 01:37:09.800
a boo with me. I look up here, shine your

1572
01:37:09.880 --> 01:37:13.159
light a little higher, Joey, and it's it's blinking at me,

1573
01:37:13.319 --> 01:37:17.640
you know. And then and then the non violent interaction

1574
01:37:17.840 --> 01:37:19.840
that I had with it so close to it, and

1575
01:37:19.880 --> 01:37:24.560
then the rock throwing at Silver Creek balls, which could

1576
01:37:24.600 --> 01:37:29.880
have been deliberate and damaging, but wasn't. You know, those

1577
01:37:29.920 --> 01:37:34.960
aren't things that an animal would premeditate. Those are things

1578
01:37:35.000 --> 01:37:40.920
more indicative of human behavior. Throwing the fact that it's

1579
01:37:40.960 --> 01:37:47.000
so elusive, throwing this fact right now they exist. Then

1580
01:37:47.199 --> 01:37:55.359
add they are so elusive, so secretive, nocturnal move with

1581
01:37:55.600 --> 01:38:00.479
such stealth and secrecy in the forest. You know, they

1582
01:38:00.479 --> 01:38:05.239
manipulate every part of their environment that we know very

1583
01:38:05.319 --> 01:38:10.079
little of to their advantage. So I can't really tell

1584
01:38:10.119 --> 01:38:14.199
you exactly what I would feel about, you know, are

1585
01:38:14.199 --> 01:38:17.840
they more gorilla like or ape like? I can't answer that.

1586
01:38:18.960 --> 01:38:23.279
I just think that they are covered in hair and

1587
01:38:23.560 --> 01:38:27.239
somewhere between them a human and an ape and enormous,

1588
01:38:27.800 --> 01:38:31.880
you know, potentially enormous. I know there's reports of of course,

1589
01:38:31.960 --> 01:38:36.439
juvenile ones. I feel like the juveniles aren't allowed to

1590
01:38:36.479 --> 01:38:40.359
wander as much as the adults, and that might be

1591
01:38:40.399 --> 01:38:42.680
why the frequency of their sightings is less.

1592
01:38:46.600 --> 01:38:49.399
You know, Detroit Lake is an area that is well

1593
01:38:49.439 --> 01:38:55.000
known for sightings beside you're the one that you have reported,

1594
01:38:55.039 --> 01:38:59.319
and it's almost the gateway to an area which in

1595
01:38:59.359 --> 01:39:02.359
the community it's called the Oregon Big Foot Highway, which

1596
01:39:02.439 --> 01:39:04.439
is twenty four goes.

1597
01:39:04.239 --> 01:39:04.680
Up to.

1598
01:39:06.159 --> 01:39:08.920
I always I got to memorize this. There's two forest

1599
01:39:09.000 --> 01:39:13.880
roads and it is Forest Road forty six down to two.

1600
01:39:13.880 --> 01:39:19.399
Twenty four goes through Ripplebrook, starts up in Esticada and

1601
01:39:19.399 --> 01:39:20.720
then goes down to Detroit.

1602
01:39:21.960 --> 01:39:24.760
The road that goes up out of east of Detroit

1603
01:39:24.800 --> 01:39:28.079
that goes by Brighton Bush Lake, Yeah yeah, yeah, and

1604
01:39:28.119 --> 01:39:32.479
then curls around past Horseshoe Lake at Monon Lake and

1605
01:39:32.800 --> 01:39:36.680
ends up there at o'lally. A real short story about that.

1606
01:39:37.199 --> 01:39:39.680
I was twenty two or three years old and took

1607
01:39:39.680 --> 01:39:43.399
a backpack trip in the spring. So got let out

1608
01:39:43.479 --> 01:39:46.159
me and three friends a couple miles this side of

1609
01:39:46.279 --> 01:39:49.840
est Brighton Bush Lake and hiked in and stayed the

1610
01:39:49.880 --> 01:39:52.520
night at Brighton Bush Lake, then on to Lally Lake

1611
01:39:52.560 --> 01:39:55.239
and spent two nights there. There's still snow on the

1612
01:39:55.279 --> 01:40:00.119
ground and While we were at o'lally Lake, I got

1613
01:40:00.159 --> 01:40:03.359
into an argument with one of the guys in my

1614
01:40:03.439 --> 01:40:06.920
group and he just pissed me off. I didn't want

1615
01:40:06.920 --> 01:40:08.880
to be there anymore. We were supposed to be there

1616
01:40:08.880 --> 01:40:11.680
two more nights. I decided the morning after the argument,

1617
01:40:11.840 --> 01:40:13.720
I was going to leave. So I packed up and

1618
01:40:13.840 --> 01:40:16.520
left on my own and was going to hike all

1619
01:40:16.520 --> 01:40:20.600
the way back down to the town of Detroit. So

1620
01:40:21.119 --> 01:40:24.600
I did that, and I got up over the hill

1621
01:40:25.199 --> 01:40:28.279
from Horseshoe Lake. I'm on a forest road, but it's

1622
01:40:28.279 --> 01:40:30.560
covered in snow and you can see it on the map,

1623
01:40:30.640 --> 01:40:34.880
the road I'm talking about. And just to be funny,

1624
01:40:35.760 --> 01:40:37.800
I knew my friends would be along there in the

1625
01:40:37.840 --> 01:40:41.840
next day or two. So I built a snowman. But

1626
01:40:41.960 --> 01:40:46.720
the snowman was in the shape of a hand flipping

1627
01:40:46.800 --> 01:40:52.880
the bird. Okay, okay, And it was pretty good size, right,

1628
01:40:54.159 --> 01:40:56.600
And I figured this fellow I was arguing with is

1629
01:40:56.640 --> 01:40:58.439
going to see that, and he's going to know Joey

1630
01:40:58.520 --> 01:41:01.880
left this for me. And it was beautiful. Man. I

1631
01:41:02.199 --> 01:41:05.560
had the thumb and everything, and I went down and

1632
01:41:05.600 --> 01:41:08.319
I got to the end of the forest road. Down

1633
01:41:08.359 --> 01:41:10.960
there passed bright and bush and there was a guy

1634
01:41:11.039 --> 01:41:15.000
cutting timber or cutting firewood, and he gave me a

1635
01:41:15.079 --> 01:41:17.119
ride back into the town of Detroit, and I called

1636
01:41:17.159 --> 01:41:19.319
my girlfriend and she her and her mom came and

1637
01:41:19.359 --> 01:41:22.359
picked me up. My other buddies had to hike out

1638
01:41:22.399 --> 01:41:26.039
and hitch and hitch hike, so I didn't care. I

1639
01:41:26.079 --> 01:41:29.359
was mad, right, so they said, I said. When they

1640
01:41:29.359 --> 01:41:31.439
got back, I asked the guy was arguing with I said,

1641
01:41:31.479 --> 01:41:34.800
did you see the little present I left you? And

1642
01:41:34.880 --> 01:41:38.479
he said I did and I didn't. He said, did

1643
01:41:38.479 --> 01:41:40.600
you make a snowman? I said, yeah, I was. I

1644
01:41:40.640 --> 01:41:42.520
told him what it was shaped like. He goes, oh,

1645
01:41:42.600 --> 01:41:49.039
something something crushed that there was there was so it

1646
01:41:49.079 --> 01:41:51.720
could have been man made, but you know, human cause,

1647
01:41:51.880 --> 01:41:54.319
but that's right in the area where you're talking about.

1648
01:41:54.600 --> 01:41:56.640
Nobody was up there. Bro. It's a relief to be

1649
01:41:56.640 --> 01:41:59.159
able to share this all with you, because you know,

1650
01:41:59.239 --> 01:42:03.760
I've talked about the encounters I've had in seventy nine

1651
01:42:03.760 --> 01:42:05.920
and ninety five quite a few times, but this other

1652
01:42:05.960 --> 01:42:09.319
stuff is quite satisfying to be able to share it

1653
01:42:09.319 --> 01:42:10.520
with you today, Jeremy.

1654
01:42:10.520 --> 01:42:14.199
I appreciate it absolutely, and I'm glad that you know

1655
01:42:15.199 --> 01:42:18.199
you're able to, you know, share that and work through

1656
01:42:18.239 --> 01:42:21.159
some things, and I think listeners will be able to,

1657
01:42:21.840 --> 01:42:26.479
you know, hopefully draw conclusions about things they've experienced based

1658
01:42:26.520 --> 01:42:28.720
on things you shared, and that's that's kind of how

1659
01:42:28.720 --> 01:42:32.640
the show works. But I appreciate you coming on the show, Joey,

1660
01:42:32.680 --> 01:42:35.600
and I'm glad we finally got to talk. And yeah,

1661
01:42:35.680 --> 01:42:38.159
thank you, Thank you so much. If anything else, you know,

1662
01:42:38.439 --> 01:42:41.560
you remember anything else, feel free to reach out. But

1663
01:42:41.640 --> 01:42:43.319
it has been an enjoyable conversation.

1664
01:42:45.159 --> 01:42:47.880
Absolutely and same to you. I want to thank you

1665
01:42:47.920 --> 01:42:52.800
for your dedication to everything Bigfoot and keep going. Brother,

1666
01:42:52.920 --> 01:42:55.279
We're gonna we'll figure it all out someday and we'll

1667
01:42:55.560 --> 01:42:56.520
celebrate it together.

1668
01:42:57.239 --> 01:42:59.800
Absolutely. Well, thanks for chatting and then you have a

1669
01:42:59.800 --> 01:43:00.239
good one.

1670
01:43:00.239 --> 01:43:02.880
Joey, you too, sir. Thank you.

1671
01:43:04.159 --> 01:43:05.960
Just want to take a few minutes to say thank

1672
01:43:05.960 --> 01:43:09.600
you to you all my listeners for listening to the podcast.

1673
01:43:10.520 --> 01:43:13.279
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1681
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someone who has, please reach out to me at Bigfoot

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Society at gmail dot com or pass on my email.

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Here's the list. The Subtle Lake area of Oregon, Rainbow, Oregon,

1684
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McKinsey Bridge area, Sweet Home, pretty much that entire area,

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the north part. If you get what I mean, I'll

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