Sept. 9, 2023

"We Found the Lost Ape Canyon Mine"

In this episode of Bigfoot Society, I was able to chat with Braden and Jarod Mitchell, great grandsons of Leroy Perry Smith, who was the youngest of the original 1924 Ape Canyon Miners. A special thanks to Marc Myrsell, Ape Canyon historian for also...

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In this episode of Bigfoot Society, I was able to chat with Braden and Jarod Mitchell, great grandsons of Leroy Perry Smith, who was the youngest of the original 1924 Ape Canyon Miners. A special thanks to Marc Myrsell, Ape Canyon historian for also being a part of this interview with his unmatched knowledge and expertise.

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I've taken far too much of your time

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so far, so let's get on
with the show, all right, Big

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Society. We've got the privilege of
talking to an old friend, mister Mark

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Murcell, and we also get new
friend Jared Mitchell with us tonight. Mark,

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how's it going, Oh excellent?
Thank you so much. Of course,

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you and I are friends, and
I try to be a good friend

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of the Big Foot Society podcast,
so we always have a great time when

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we see each other, either on
the podcast or something once in a while

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and in person. So yeah,
thanks, thanks, it's good tonight.

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Thank you absolutely. Last time I
saw a cryptocon it was a great time,

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always fun meeting people in person.
And Jared, how are you doing

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tonight? Doing good? Just relaxing
at home. Awesoanks for having me.

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I appreciate it definitely. Do you
mind, Do you guys mind taking a

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few minutes introducing yourselves why it might
be important for our listeners to listen closely

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to what you have to say tonight? Sure? Well, Actually, Jeremiah,

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I should ask you to tell all
of the great listeners and viewers why

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this is important. But let me
let me take the first shot at it.

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My name is Mark and I am
a lifetime land surveyor in northwest Oregon

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and southwest Washington. And the reason
why I am talking with Jeremiah tonight is

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because around twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen, I had been doing some research on

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an old historical event that took place
in nineteen twenty four and before and after

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nineteen twenty four, and it basically
became my sort of midlife crisis of re

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researching the nineteen twenty four eight Canyon
incident on the east slope of Mount Saint

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Helens and getting into at first the
historical document research. I realized that the

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cabin that was, you know,
revolving around this nineteen twenty four attack by

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a band of mountain devils onto a
group of gold miners up there. I

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started to think that the cabin and
other features of the site may have survived

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the eruption and subsequent eruptions, but
the first one was nineteen eighty. So

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around twenty eleven I started going up
there and poking around a lot, about

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four or five trips or so by
myself, and then in twenty thirteen I

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had made it. Each trip was
a little bit further down the slope,

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a little bit further down the east
side of Promispute, and then in twenty

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thirteen with friends, I found that
yes, the cabin was there. We

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were able to find the foundation of
the cabin, some of their tools that

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was left behind where this nineteen twenty
four attempt took place, and subsequent trips

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found other evidence of the Abe Canyon
incident of nineteen twenty four. And then

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once that word got out of the
evidence the field evidence that I found which

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seemed to back up the historical record, the document record, than the Bigfoot

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research community kind of went nuts and
started inviting me into other research projects and

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have supported me greatly since then.
The Abe Canyon project and any project research

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project has never really done. There's
more to do. But the reason why

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we had Jared Mitchell and hopefully other
Mitchell's on tonight is because last Sunday there

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was even more evidence found, not
by me, but by the Mitchell Clan.

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And that's why we're talking to you
here to because I am thrilled.

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I was up there at last July
tenth, on the exact day of the

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ninety ninth anniversary of the account,
and well, yeah, there's a little

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bit more work to do, but
basically this case is wrapped up. It's

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matt wrapped up. As of last
Sunday, the Mitchell's got some hard,

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hard, exciting evidence. And I
am I am eighteen, nineteen years old

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again, I have so much energy. There's so much more to do.

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I am extremely excited about what we're
going to talk about today. It's it's

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so cool to see this this project
just have new life breathe into it.

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And the eight Canyon is such an
amazing part of Bigfoot history. You know,

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you'd said Mountain Devil's but it comes. It's it's Bigfoot history and just

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to see even more come into it
through what Jared and Braden and Jake were

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able to do is just really really
cool. So, Jared, I'm excited

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to have you on tonight, Mark, But is there anything that you would

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like the listeners to know about yourself? I'll say the obvious, of course,

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that you are one of the great
grandsons of the youngest of the original

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nineteen twenty four miners, who's Leroy
Perry Smith, which is just incredible.

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Any any other interesting details we would
want to know about you, Jared,

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None in particular. Just we kind
of fell into this all when Mark reached

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out to my grandma and that kind
of started the whole thing, got our

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interest in that, and since then
we've been just kind of really hounding into

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all of this and now we've come
far and it's, like Mark said,

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just really gets you going and gets
you excited, and I can't wait to

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see all the information that comes out
of this incredible Mark, do you mind

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sharing a little bit? I hear
that little detail there, So you you

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reached out to Jared's grandma's is what
I heard? Yeah? I did.

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First, let me make a commentary
on what Jared just said, I've gotten

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to know some of the Mitchell clan. Let me let me briefly for all

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the Ape Canyon nerds out there,
give a give a brief pedigree for Jared

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and you know in the family in
nineteen eighteen, really the patriarch of going

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up and establishing a mind, the
vendor white mind, the Ape Canyon mine.

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What's this guy named Marian Smith.
And Marian had grown up in the

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Kelso Longview area, and he was
the son of one of the earliest earliest

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pioneers in the area, a fellow
named Lorenzo Perry Smith. And so Marian

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was his son. And he grew
up in the age of big timber hauling

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out these monster monster trees out of
there with steam donkeys, and this was

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steam logging at the time. And
so Marian was, you know, a

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mountain man, if you will.
He was known as a very congenial,

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very very straight, very nice man. He had been up there and he

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had seen and hunted and fished everything
that there was to see up there in

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the Ape can Ape Canyon era of
Mount Saint Helens. Marian was not a

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spring chicken. During the nineteen twenty
four attack, I believe Marian was sixty

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four years old, and so they
started prospecting up there, and he had

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help of his son in law,
Fred Beck of eight Kenyon Fame. He

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had a Fred had married his Marion's
daughter Mabel. Later on their a cousin

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Gabe La Fever, a family friend
named John Peterson, a couple of other

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family friends. But then prospecting starting
in nineteen eighteen, he ended up in

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employing his son Lee Roy Perry Smith
in order to go up there, and

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they established the mine in nineteen twenty
two. So at the time of LeRoy's

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passing, he had Lee Roy and
his wife had two kids, Roy Junior

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and Betty, who married and became
Betty Mitchell. And so I had reached

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out to Betty early on, and
because I wanted to know I wanted to

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know the family's perspective on Ape Canyon
incident, which we can talk more about

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the family's perspective about eight Canyon.
So I was able to reach out to

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Betty, and with the help of
Jake's brother Tyler, another cousin of Jared's,

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I was able to make contact with
Betty and got an audio interview with

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her, and then fortunately on a
conference last January a Bigfoot conference last January.

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I was. The conference took place
in Kelso, Kelso Longview, and

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I was able to get Betty on
stage in front of like about six or

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seven hundred people for a briefly interview
and a Q and a session. And

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frankly, Betty is Betty is incredibly
well spoken, and she's a she's a

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wonderful woman. And she did great
and the frankly audience went nuts because I

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was like talking about family history and
that's part of evidence of historical Bigfoot research.

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And I talked about Lee Roy Smith
and how I was able to get

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a hold of some of the family
and ladies and gentlemen, want you please

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welcome to the stage, miss Betty
Mitchell. And yeah, they're doing crazy.

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But I do give just a just
a brief thing about what Jared just

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said. As I've gotten to know
the Mitchell family, Jared, I'm going

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to talk about you here for a
second. The Mitchell family is incredibly soft

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spoken and incredibly humble. I think
that the Mitchell family should be like crowing

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like a showboater about how they relate
to the Ape Canyon incident. It's like,

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you know, Jared just said,
oh, yeah, we just went

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up there and we found some stuff. It was pretty cool. Well,

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yeah, nonsense, you made huge
history, Jared, I mean huge,

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huge history last Sunday, and you
know you didn't. You didn't brag about

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it enough as you should have.
So but anyway, Yeah, I've gotten

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to know the Mitchells. I've also
been able to, briefly a couple of

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times interview rodbeck Fred's grandson, so
that that's important information to add to the

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whole story. These interviews, Oh
my goodness, I know there for your

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personal your your personal your personal collection, and they help out with your future

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book, I would imagine as well, right Mark, Yeah, yeah,

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yeah, absolutely maybe San Dale I
hear him. I don't know. I

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love listen. I'm a nerd,
a big foot nerd. I love listening

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to interviews. That's why I do
interviews. But that's that's incredible. So

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you talked to you talked to Betty, and then what was the kid?

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Like? Did you like, what
was the what happened? Then? How

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did it turn into Okay, guys, Jared, how did it turn into

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let's go look for the mind?
Like, how did that come out of

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that situation? Yeah? Jared Jared
j Jared, you take this one,

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Yeah, you bet so. I
think it was around a year ago,

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or it was a year to two
years ago. My grandma she started getting

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really into her lineage because she's never
really known much about that, so she

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went through all of this and it's
kind of weird timing because about a year

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into all of that, that's when
Mark found her and that opened up this

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whole other can worms that She's just
always loved big Foot, always been into

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it, so obviously this excited her. So I was up there at her

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house and she's just going on and
on about this, showing me the books

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about it and just telling me all
this information. And I was like,

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you know, our family, we
don't really keep in touch with everything history

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wise with our family. So hearing
all this and hearing that, you know,

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our ancestors have had a cabin in
the woods and a gold mine,

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and how significant of a story for
the big Fit community that this is,

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Like, obviously it piques your interest. You're gonna want to get out there

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and you're gonna want to find more. So I about a year ago I

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actually got a hold of Mark through
the Pacific Northwest Bigfoot museum. I messaged

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them, hearing, oh, someone
has a binder on me and my family,

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and I'd kind of like to know
who has all this information on us,

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And he showed me the binder.
It's it's definitely a binder or two.

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And so I asked him a little
bit about it, and he told

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me, you know, the cabin's
not really there anymore because it's been so

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long. It's there, but it's
not you know, it's fallen in on

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itself and decayed over the years,
and it kind of just kind of dropped

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off there. And but then my
brother and my cousin got involved too,

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and that's where it kind of picked
up, like, hey, you guys

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want to go out there too,
So, you know, they started talking

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to Mark as well, and we
got a little bit of information and we

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went up there, me and my
brother, and we tempted at one time

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we had an idea where it was, but we didn't have all the information,

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and so we ended up going up
there a second time on Saturday with

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our cousin as well, and we
learned some mistakes on hiking and it kind

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of kept going from there and eventually
we got a hold of Mark, got

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some more information and we're able to
find the cabin. And then my cousin

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Jake, he's just this little billy
goat of a person that he just wants

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to get there, so he keeps
poking and prodding and he doesn't want to

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slow down, and he ended up
getting down the cliff where we wanted to

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look, and he's that guys,
I think I found it, and so,

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you know, heart start racing,
you start, you get down there,

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rock misses your head a little bit, apparently, is what they told

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me. But we we did find
it, and it's just a completely surreal

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experience to be able to find something
like that, not just from the story

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aspect, but to think that,
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in roughly one hundred years, and
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years, so just to finally see
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just completing something for your family and
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It's just it's a different experience than
I would have expected. Man, that's

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that is so cool. Jared,
can you share a little bit for listeners

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who might not really understand how hard
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Who well, darn, I want
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that's for you both, but I
I kind of want to hear so first,

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Yeah, yeah, I love you, Mark, but some of your

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descriptions were a little more vague than
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of his directions was there's two ways, one a certain death, the other

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is the right way. Well,
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Mark, there's actually kind of four
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right there. So we took the
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so we kind of corrected it and
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of the cabin, but we we
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thought, hey, we're going to
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no so we have full packs on
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and whatnot. We go the wrong
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spring first, and pretty much we
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cabin for about maybe two hours.
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around it. There's the fact that
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we had a call of a day
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we ran out of water. The
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and if you don't have rope,
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even attempt it. But it's very, very different because I mean, you

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got to think there's all the ashen
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you don't really have good footing almost
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six hundred feet down the side of
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to look at and laugh and think
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be an easy trip, which we
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definitely not the best mindset, right. I want to make sure listeners realize

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this isn't park your car and then
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nice to this undiscovered area like you're
you're really you know, I've talked to

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a gentleman Craig Flippy before, and
man, he it was almost the end

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of them from what he said.
But Mark, do you have anything to

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add on how rough and wild it
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you've experienced, don't go there.
Don't. Actually, my friend, my

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friend Brad Jeremiah, I'm sorry,
I'm sorry to be distracted. I am

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sending you maybe a little bit on
the email. Yeah, on the email,

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I'm sending you a little bit of
a punchline to maybe. I sent

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you an image to wrap up the
show, a person in a note from

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Jared, Jared's grandmother Betty, which
is like super cool. Anyway, you

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can share that if you want to. My friend Brad, who has been

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with me on pretty much every field
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people, don't go up there.
Don't it is incredibly, incredibly dangerous,

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and it is. It's incredibly dangerous. The first part that this whole scoop

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is that Ape Canyon, that the
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the north side of what we now
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it obviously didn't have that name.
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canyon, and it's on the east
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Pumicspute. And so what one does
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but it's but it's basically on the
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the canyon. You go up to
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down and Jared, I'm sorry about
my vague descriptions and my vague directions,

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but I you know what else can
I do? I told you in Brayden.

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Just wait for me. I'll take
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hard to describe. One of the
hardest parts is that is it. It's

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incredibly rugged, and it's incredibly dangerous, and I'm I'm here in my chair

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in my office and I want to
go over there fifty seventy five feet on

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pumicspute at eight canyon. That would
take me an hour to go fifty or

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seventy five feet. You have,
okay, a good foothold, maybe you've

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taken a shovel or pick axe and
you've chopped out a foothold. You step

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on it and it wants to slide
out from all the pumics and scream and

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ash. Or you can combine that
with what Jared talked about about the vine

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maple. The vine maple is you
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It's vine maple that is monstrous.
That it's like twelve feet above your

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head and incredibly dense. It takes
literally an hour to go explore something that's

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fifty or seventy five feet away.
So I'm sorry about my bad directions.

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Jared Head, you drew us a
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once you're there at the cabin site, then yeah, then my map makes

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sense. Once you get there,
everything clicks and it's just like, okay,

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everything makes more sense now. But
one thing you might not know about

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us, Mitchells is we're a little
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that that's totally cool. I gotta
I gotta say, you know, Jared,

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I don't know if you have this
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send you guys an article. A
two part article from The Oregonian. The

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first one was July nineteenth, and
the second one was July the twentieth of

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nineteen twenty four where I think I
think maybe we talked about this where Jack

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Gregory, the sports editor, the
sports reporter for The Oregonian. He went

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up there the week after the or
about the week after the attack. He

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was one of the few reporters that
went up there, but he was one

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of the few reporters that didn't interview
the miners. But what Jack Gregory did

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is that he went up through Kelso
for whatever reason, he picked up the

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deputy one of the deputy sheriff's,
a guy named Charles Dunbar, and his

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son, and they went up to
Castle Rock, took a right, went

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up to Spirit Lake and then took
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and they went up Palmiste, down
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What Gregory did in his article was
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And the way that Gregory did the
article was like Stanley's Africa, going

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into the deep dark part of the
Pacific Northwest, you know, as being

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where these miners were attacked by eight
men. So it's like a little bit

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of hyperbole. But what Gregory did
is that he didn't get us a step

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by step direction of how he came
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down through the plains of Abraham,
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But he gave us enough clues and
a few photos basically that's what I had

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to work on in order to find
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don't understand how you found that.
Well, that's gonna take about a weekend

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of us camping out and a lot
of beer and I'll tell you all the

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details about how that happened. But
yeah, the cabin site was found in

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twenty thirteen. Basically it was a
wall close but basically Gregory's photos where you

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could see in these photos the trees
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the cabin, and you could see
the stumps. I knew that if I

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could find the rotten stumps down there, I knew I would be close to

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the cabin. I had confirmed with
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a guy named Rick McClure, that
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And you can tell because there are
some big trees down there still that were

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fire to the eruption and probably circuit
eighteen twenty four, that area had never

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been commercially logged. And I knew
if I could find the find any rotten

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stumps that looked like maybe they were
cut down maybe not, I knew I

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would be close. But basically in
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one rotten stump, we found another
rotten stump, We found another rotten stump,

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and I hit my metal detector and
we started finding nails dug down about

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four or six inches in the ground, and that's where we found the foundation,

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the log foundation of the cabin,
plus a corner another line of the

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foundation with the nails still driven into
it. We found perhaps Lee Roy Spoon,

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Marrion Spoon, Fred Beck Spoon.
We found a spoon and obviously twisted

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bail wire, and I knew we
had the cabin. Like what you said

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about my crappy directions and my crappy
mat when when I found that, all

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the rest of the clues all came
together, It's like, oh geez,

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now this makes sense. Now all
of this makes sense. And so what

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you talked about previously. We got
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and I told you last night,
Jared, it was like, is this

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a dream? Is this real?
You know? How can this be real?

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That the cabin site is probably there
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I think that's probably what you guys
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the sense of pride that it gives
you is it's it's an interesting thing,

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incredible. I'm gonna I'm going to
bring in another interviewee that just is

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now on stage. Perhaps he will
show back up in a second. He

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just jetted out, but that's all
right. We'll see maybe Brandon in a

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few minutes. That was funny.
Yeah, he said he was in so

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I could text him and see if
he can hop back on. Yeah,

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I was just bringing him on stage
at all. Good. We'll see,

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what were the emotions actually hold on? Let's Brandon. This is in the

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middle of recording for the episode.
So you're currently on the Big Fist Siety

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podcast. But thank you for being
on stage with Jared and Mark as well.

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We're talking about how you guys discovered
the gold mine just recently. How

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are you doing, sir? Good? Thanks Jeremiah. Yeah, I'll hold

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like I just kind of hurt a
little bit of what Jared was saying.

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A whole lot of emotions, but
a lot of process. Absolutely. I've

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got a question really for both Jared
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so you're going down to this area. But what are the emotions that are

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going through you because you've got in
mind that man, my ancestors were in

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this area. Yeah, and they're
we're attacked by Bigfoot in the Like,

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what's going through your your mind at
this time as you're going down to this

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area of brading. They're crazy.
We'll be back with more Bigfoot Society.

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After these words from our sponsors of
what we were thinking was, Wow,

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these guys are madmen, absolute madman
To go down what they went down and

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then decide that that's where they want
to build a cabin, that's where they

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want to dig into the side of
the earth. I mean wow. Yeah,

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we couldn't really wrap our heads around. But because you know, when

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you go to build a cabin or
you go to go mining, in my

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head, you want kind of easier
access. You wouldn't, well, Jared,

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you know wherever the gold is and
was, Yeah, but you wouldn't

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think to go down a freaking mountain
to find the gold. Seriously, the

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fact that they chose that spot and
made it there and did it total just

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awesome. Dudes. Yeah, I
gotta say now, I gotta I gotta

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say. We talked about it a
little bit this about this before before your

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show, Jeremiah, Sorry, we
talk amongst ourselves. Is that, you

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know, for so much of the
Ape Kenyon story, I feel that the

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Bigfoot research community has relied too heavily
on Fred Beck and Ronald Beck's book about

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you know the story. I mean, yes, for the first part fred

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Beck's book his retail nor Ronald's retelling
of the eight Kenyon story, it's more

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or less accurate. There just a
few minor points that don't hold up to

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the nineteen twenty four newspaper and document
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yeah, it's right. But there
is a point where they started out in

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nineteen eighteen going east of Woodland along
the Lewis River, and then they started

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headed north. They were prospecting looking
for plastic locations along the Lewis River,

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and they're like, forget it,
let's just go north. And they went

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north, just south and Mount Saint
Helens. And mind you, there were

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there was logging activity up there,
headed up towards north of the Lewis River,

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headed up towards Smith Creek, but
there wasn't a lot of logging activity

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headed up that way. So these
guys were just just beaten brush and they

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were going they were going up there
a little bit by truck on the road,

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but these guys were just beaten.
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it was basically like, Hey,
there's a large, deep, treacherous box

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canyon, let's mind for gold on
the other side, where there's a two

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hundred foot drop off for certain death. Why and how it is sited in

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nineteen twenty two to blast that ledge
and start tunneling in by dynamite and hand

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tools. I have no idea.
It's the most crazy, stupid precipitous place

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to start a gold mine, absolutely. I mean, the odds are stacked

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against you, yep. But hey, I, like you said, you

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know, if that's where the gold
is, I guess you're going to do

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whatever you can to make it happen. That's true. You gotta go where

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the gold's at Braden. I'd love
to get your viewpoint of what it was

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like when you guys finally got to
the mind. What did you notice about

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the mine? All that good stuff? Oh geez. I was actually the

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last person to come up on it. Jake was the first, our cousin,

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and we knew just by the little
oh you know, the little noisy

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made that he found it, and
in that instant, Jared like, let's

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go of the rope and starts taking
fast little steps towards him. Jake's like,

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no, no, take it easy, Ghostlaw. And you know,

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I'm still working my way down the
hill as well. And so being the

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last person to see it, they
were already down there inside it and giggling

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and hooting and holler and and just
that feeling that rush when you finally lay

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your eyes on it. I can't
I wasn't ready for it. I can

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say that much. It must have
been incredible. And so really, you

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know, I'm sure there's a few
people in the audience that are like,

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were you able to walk inside the
mine? Was it like you had to

385
00:36:00.400 --> 00:36:04.679
clear stuff added there? Or you
could actually go in there and kind of

386
00:36:04.719 --> 00:36:09.840
crawl around, Like, tell me
more about that a little bit. So

387
00:36:10.320 --> 00:36:15.480
what it looks like has happened,
my opinion is for the last one hundred

388
00:36:15.599 --> 00:36:20.719
years and the eruption, rocks have
been coming. You can kind of see

389
00:36:20.719 --> 00:36:24.800
in Jared's picture there rocks have been
falling down that and over time, dirt

390
00:36:24.880 --> 00:36:30.960
and sticks and debris have been piling
up. So it's basically buried the entrance.

391
00:36:31.119 --> 00:36:35.960
You can tell that it goes farther, but we couldn't fit in there.

392
00:36:36.239 --> 00:36:38.679
Maybe a small child could, but
we couldn't, and we weren't about

393
00:36:38.679 --> 00:36:47.960
to try. Don't why Jake was
about to try? I mean, it's

394
00:36:49.039 --> 00:36:52.639
that far, right, like,
why not? It's, man, it's

395
00:36:52.639 --> 00:36:57.840
so tempting. You know, you
want to follow the rules and you don't

396
00:36:57.840 --> 00:37:01.639
want to do anything to get land
yourself in trouble out there, but man,

397
00:37:01.800 --> 00:37:06.679
it's it's like you're you've made it
this far, what's you know just

398
00:37:07.360 --> 00:37:12.920
a little bit more. It's so
in the picture that is on the screen.

399
00:37:12.960 --> 00:37:15.320
I don't know if you're streamers or
any of that can see it,

400
00:37:15.880 --> 00:37:23.519
And the picture doesn't do the entrance
much justice. And the entrance to that

401
00:37:23.599 --> 00:37:27.559
must have been massive because all the
rocks that have piled up, I mean

402
00:37:27.599 --> 00:37:32.079
we're talking one hundred years of piling
up. It could easily be cleared down

403
00:37:32.159 --> 00:37:37.360
to what looks like the ledge that
they blasted out, probably about ten thirteen

404
00:37:37.400 --> 00:37:43.119
feet down. That's about what I'd
say too. So, okay, you've

405
00:37:43.159 --> 00:37:47.280
got about ten thirteen ft of rock
pile that if that was removed, I

406
00:37:47.519 --> 00:37:53.239
almost guarantee that opening would open quiet
a bit up and you'd probably have full

407
00:37:53.280 --> 00:38:00.679
access. But we're hoping. Hey, Karremiah, can you go back to

408
00:38:00.800 --> 00:38:06.719
the other mine entrance picture really quick? That one, so Jared and Brydon,

409
00:38:07.920 --> 00:38:13.320
there's all obviously there's huge pile of
scree but right right in front of

410
00:38:13.440 --> 00:38:19.159
the entrance there are two large rocks. Do I do I understand? Obviously,

411
00:38:19.360 --> 00:38:22.639
Jeremiah, I haven't been. I
haven't been there yet. I told

412
00:38:22.719 --> 00:38:29.480
Braden and Jared and Jake yesterday.
I was ready when I got when I

413
00:38:29.559 --> 00:38:32.280
got this info on Sunday night,
I was ready to pack up and go

414
00:38:32.440 --> 00:38:36.719
down like six in the morning to
go down and check out. Then I

415
00:38:36.800 --> 00:38:39.280
haven't been there yet. Do I
do it? From what you guys just

416
00:38:39.440 --> 00:38:45.599
described, Do I understand that I'm
going to go into the mine and I'm

417
00:38:45.639 --> 00:38:50.159
going to step over those two large
rocks in the in the sort of in

418
00:38:50.239 --> 00:38:53.519
the mid of that picture. Then
I'm going to go down into the mine

419
00:38:53.719 --> 00:39:00.559
and and that whole fill. I'm
going down like ten feet or maybe not

420
00:39:00.760 --> 00:39:08.480
quite, but it looks like there
might be about five six feet of rubble

421
00:39:08.760 --> 00:39:13.760
that needs to go get out of
the way. It does look like the

422
00:39:13.840 --> 00:39:17.719
mind kind of goes down a little
bit, but it's mostly flat. Yeah,

423
00:39:17.800 --> 00:39:22.159
And you can look like it goes
down because of the rubble that's in

424
00:39:22.199 --> 00:39:27.760
the way. I mean it underneath
what would be the roof. You can

425
00:39:27.880 --> 00:39:30.880
see it goes down under and you
can see the rocks that have fallen it.

426
00:39:32.159 --> 00:39:36.000
When you see it, Mark,
you'll you'll fully understand. It's a

427
00:39:36.000 --> 00:39:39.480
little hard to explain, but you'll
you'll see in there and you'll see that,

428
00:39:39.880 --> 00:39:44.519
yes, this rock, if you
move some of it, I guarantee

429
00:39:44.639 --> 00:39:50.599
that you can, there's more back
there. It looks like the rock to

430
00:39:50.679 --> 00:39:54.519
the right was the rock that they
kind of followed, and the rock to

431
00:39:54.599 --> 00:40:00.760
the left, it's all banged up
and blasted, I think was the rock

432
00:40:00.840 --> 00:40:02.960
that they were digging out of there. It looks like they kind of tried

433
00:40:04.039 --> 00:40:07.039
to, at least from what I
could see inside the mine, it looks

434
00:40:07.079 --> 00:40:09.480
like they kind of followed that rock
on the right a little bit, kind

435
00:40:09.480 --> 00:40:15.079
of followed it around there. There's
one thing, now, mind you,

436
00:40:15.400 --> 00:40:22.480
I have never I've never dug a
mind, which may be a shocker to

437
00:40:22.559 --> 00:40:28.280
you guys, but I've never dug
a mind. What I've seen from other

438
00:40:30.920 --> 00:40:38.760
evidence of minings of this period is
that they would use a hand drill,

439
00:40:38.920 --> 00:40:43.800
a star drill literally just like a
bit with a star on the end and

440
00:40:44.000 --> 00:40:51.239
with a sledge, and the star
drill would drill a hole x amount large

441
00:40:51.840 --> 00:40:54.760
enough to fit a stick of dynamite
in. And that's all they were doing.

442
00:40:55.320 --> 00:40:59.880
They were just drilling a hole enough
just to stick a piece of dynamite

443
00:40:59.880 --> 00:41:02.679
in, and then they would set
off a dynamite in order to blast it.

444
00:41:04.199 --> 00:41:09.519
What I'm seeing from your photo,
particularly on the left hand wall of

445
00:41:09.639 --> 00:41:15.079
the mine entrance, I'm seeing a
groove that kind of goes horizontally, which

446
00:41:15.199 --> 00:41:22.119
is indicative of someone setting a hole
for like, hey, let's stick in

447
00:41:22.159 --> 00:41:24.719
a stick stick of dynamite in there. One thing that when we were in

448
00:41:24.880 --> 00:41:31.840
all four, we were fining multiple
of those those little drill marks. Okay,

449
00:41:32.599 --> 00:41:36.599
at least that's what we thought.
We were finding multiple of those.

450
00:41:38.119 --> 00:41:43.440
One thing that we all four of
us need to understand along with the viewers,

451
00:41:43.920 --> 00:41:49.199
is that in nineteen twenty two,
when this mine first started to get

452
00:41:49.360 --> 00:41:52.280
made, mind you, this mine
is today one hundred and one years old.

453
00:41:53.440 --> 00:42:00.079
Dynamite you could go down to the
hardware store and you could get a

454
00:42:00.800 --> 00:42:07.320
pair of pliers and maybe a saw
blade and a box of dynamite. Dynamite

455
00:42:07.400 --> 00:42:13.039
was plentiful because this is Kewitz County
and Lewis County and Clark County. This

456
00:42:13.400 --> 00:42:16.840
was logging territory, and so going
down to the hardware store to get a

457
00:42:16.920 --> 00:42:21.440
pipe wranch, you could get a
box of dynamite too, because that's what

458
00:42:21.639 --> 00:42:32.159
everyone needed in our area. Primarily
changed for the negative the good old because

459
00:42:32.800 --> 00:42:38.559
mainly not so much for mining,
but dynamite was used like crazy for logging

460
00:42:38.679 --> 00:42:45.159
activity in the early twentieth century.
So picking up a box of dynamite was

461
00:42:45.239 --> 00:42:47.960
like nothing. It was it was. It was dynamite, So it was

462
00:42:49.039 --> 00:42:57.159
easily accessible. Man, that's crazy
to think though. You know, guys,

463
00:42:57.719 --> 00:43:00.719
you're in front of the mine.
Did at any point you have a

464
00:43:00.840 --> 00:43:06.159
thought that was something like they're straight
up a big foot in that mind right

465
00:43:06.239 --> 00:43:08.440
now looking at us? Do you
ever Do you ever have that thought at

466
00:43:08.440 --> 00:43:12.760
all? I don't know, but
I'll tell you a story that some people

467
00:43:12.880 --> 00:43:17.840
might take and run with a little
bit. All right up there, you're

468
00:43:17.880 --> 00:43:22.559
going down, you're tied off.
You got this rope that's kind of rubbing

469
00:43:22.639 --> 00:43:27.000
up against the rocks, and I
think that's maybe what did it? But

470
00:43:28.079 --> 00:43:37.239
out of nowhere, weird coming down
the cliff and this boulder starts hurtling itself

471
00:43:37.280 --> 00:43:40.760
at Jared. I mean, it's
coming right for him, and I mean

472
00:43:40.920 --> 00:43:45.840
Jake and I are panicking, freaking
out trying to warn him. I feel

473
00:43:45.840 --> 00:43:52.280
like I couldn't even find words.
Jared is slowly reaching down to pick up

474
00:43:52.320 --> 00:43:55.760
a cool rock and it flies right
over him. He had no idea what

475
00:43:55.920 --> 00:43:59.639
was going on. Jared, Jake
and I were, you know, crapping

476
00:43:59.679 --> 00:44:06.559
our ants. We just about watched
Jared die and he was none the wiser.

477
00:44:07.039 --> 00:44:09.840
Just big boulder, I mean,
fist sized, it would have just

478
00:44:10.519 --> 00:44:15.400
ruined him. Really wow, So
do with that what you want. That's

479
00:44:15.400 --> 00:44:20.760
an interesting story. I still think
it was the rope. But well,

480
00:44:20.960 --> 00:44:29.639
yeah, wait a minute, I've
never like, this is awesome. I've

481
00:44:29.679 --> 00:44:34.280
never i have never gotten that much
detail out of you. Braden. I

482
00:44:34.360 --> 00:44:42.159
always assumed that somebody had dislodged your
rock and it bounced. Was this rock?

483
00:44:43.960 --> 00:44:47.199
What would you say? It was? Aeriel Born? I mean,

484
00:44:49.119 --> 00:44:52.119
Brandon, I don't know did it
come through the trees or did was it

485
00:44:52.239 --> 00:44:58.239
just like one thing? Because I
wasn't looking up at where it had come

486
00:44:58.360 --> 00:45:01.519
from. I was looking at Jared
and my focus was there, so okay,

487
00:45:01.760 --> 00:45:05.760
to be honest, I was in
panic mode and I couldn't tell you

488
00:45:07.320 --> 00:45:12.199
we'll be back with more big Foot
society after these words from our sponsors.

489
00:45:15.079 --> 00:45:24.679
But it's an interesting partly so sorry, I don't know. I want to

490
00:45:24.760 --> 00:45:30.119
know. Maybe maybe maybe the local
inhabitants were like, crap, you know

491
00:45:30.440 --> 00:45:37.159
this Smith Mitchell family are back after
a hundred years. I thought we drove

492
00:45:37.239 --> 00:45:39.559
them out like ninety nine years ago, and I want to get ready here

493
00:45:40.199 --> 00:45:49.760
they're going close. Oh there's that
smell again. We did have you know,

494
00:45:50.360 --> 00:45:52.800
you're up there, you're joking around. We did have moments of,

495
00:45:52.719 --> 00:45:55.599
you know, we got to finish
what we started there, you know,

496
00:46:00.199 --> 00:46:07.760
up here tracking our grand pappies kill. That's wild. Yeah, that's I

497
00:46:07.000 --> 00:46:10.880
told uh. Let's see, we're
at seven. We're at seven twenty five

498
00:46:12.000 --> 00:46:15.960
on the Pacific time. Let me
let me just take a moment. Uh.

499
00:46:16.719 --> 00:46:22.199
I don't know I've told Jeremiah this
before. I don't know Braden and

500
00:46:22.400 --> 00:46:29.440
Jared if I ever told you guys
in in twenty thirteen, it was a

501
00:46:29.519 --> 00:46:35.679
trip. We found the cabin site, got back, we can't do in

502
00:46:35.760 --> 00:46:40.599
a slightly different location than you guys
did. But there there's five of us

503
00:46:43.239 --> 00:46:51.639
that Saturday night and were the sun's
just going down. We're you know,

504
00:46:52.159 --> 00:46:54.400
if you're if I give you a
perspective, if you're on if you're on

505
00:46:54.480 --> 00:46:59.480
the trail, I think I saw
your picture where you can a camp at

506
00:46:59.519 --> 00:47:05.639
the base Pumspute. We camped up
up on top of the other butte and

507
00:47:06.599 --> 00:47:13.920
I'm going And it was eight thirty
nine o'clock. It was the third weekend

508
00:47:14.840 --> 00:47:20.079
of June and twenty thirteen, and
a friend who was there named Ben.

509
00:47:20.239 --> 00:47:22.199
It was like, shut up,
shut up, shut up. Come over

510
00:47:22.360 --> 00:47:28.920
here to the edge and about a
quarter mile down the basin and up the

511
00:47:29.079 --> 00:47:35.000
ridge just to the south of Mount
just to just to the south of Mount

512
00:47:35.039 --> 00:47:42.519
Saint Helen's Sure, we could all
hear it. And it was rung.

513
00:47:44.079 --> 00:47:51.920
It was howling, chattering sounds that
lasted a long time, and we listened

514
00:47:52.920 --> 00:47:59.559
and it went on for a minute
or two, three minutes, and then

515
00:48:00.440 --> 00:48:06.000
to the left of that, maybe
a thousand feet, headed south towards the

516
00:48:06.079 --> 00:48:14.320
Lewis River along the ridge top,
there was an answering call and it sounded

517
00:48:14.559 --> 00:48:20.159
just like Ron Moorehead, Sierra sounds. Really this went on and on and

518
00:48:20.480 --> 00:48:25.000
on and on and on. By
the end, well it wasn't the end.

519
00:48:25.039 --> 00:48:28.920
It was the end for us because
we just went to bed and pulled

520
00:48:28.960 --> 00:48:32.239
the sleeping bags over our ears.
By the end, there were there were

521
00:48:32.320 --> 00:48:39.840
about five. I heard a fifth
one way down the Muddy River along that

522
00:48:40.039 --> 00:48:45.119
ridge, and the five of them
were just talking back and forth to each

523
00:48:45.159 --> 00:48:52.679
other all night long until we went
to bed, and presumably talking about us.

524
00:48:52.840 --> 00:48:58.239
And it was It was strange because
I was in I was in my

525
00:48:58.440 --> 00:49:00.880
tent trying to make all this sounds
go away because I was kind of freaking

526
00:49:01.000 --> 00:49:07.639
out. And I remember I'm hungry
and I'm eating some trail mix and I

527
00:49:07.960 --> 00:49:13.960
was chewing on a nut in my
trail mix and I broke a crack in

528
00:49:14.039 --> 00:49:19.199
my tooth. I cracked a tooth, and that that was part of fred

529
00:49:19.599 --> 00:49:24.639
story. Yeah, really, he
cracked and and and begged Marian to take

530
00:49:24.719 --> 00:49:28.159
him to the dentist. And Marian
was like, no, the gold is

531
00:49:28.159 --> 00:49:30.679
still good. I'm not going to
take you to the dentist. And I

532
00:49:30.800 --> 00:49:34.679
remember cracking my tooth on the trail
mix. I was like, we're gonna

533
00:49:34.760 --> 00:49:42.280
die. We're going up like a
burrito for discovering the hanging up and take

534
00:49:42.320 --> 00:49:47.679
it home. That's it. Oh
man. It is funny how history repeats

535
00:49:47.719 --> 00:49:54.559
itself, isn't it? Absolutely totally
Jaredan and Braden. There's probably a few

536
00:49:54.639 --> 00:49:59.679
people that if I don't ask this
question, they're gonna just blow up the

537
00:49:59.760 --> 00:50:04.960
co comments on YouTube, and the
question is probably, so did you guys

538
00:50:05.079 --> 00:50:09.320
find gold in the mind? I
wish man even just like a piece of

539
00:50:09.440 --> 00:50:15.840
courts or something that we could come
home and show our grandma. I feel

540
00:50:15.880 --> 00:50:20.400
like that would mean the world tour. But no, Unfortunately we did not

541
00:50:20.480 --> 00:50:25.480
get deep enough. But hopefully the
future has some really cool surprises for us.

542
00:50:27.119 --> 00:50:30.119
Who knows, I don't know.
Yeah, I definitely. And you

543
00:50:30.199 --> 00:50:37.400
know part of that is Jake brought
his little pick axe hammers and he said,

544
00:50:37.960 --> 00:50:40.320
well, if I bring him today, we're not going to find it.

545
00:50:42.239 --> 00:50:45.639
Yep. But if I leave him
here at our camp, we're probably

546
00:50:45.679 --> 00:50:47.320
going to find it. Well,
he left him there at camp and we

547
00:50:47.440 --> 00:50:52.599
found it. Yeah, he made
the better decision. We had such a

548
00:50:52.760 --> 00:50:55.679
hard day. We were not going
up back for it. That would have

549
00:50:55.719 --> 00:51:01.880
been I mean, we we were
telling Mark yesterday we didn't. We weren't

550
00:51:01.960 --> 00:51:07.760
just on that area. We ended
up crossing onto an entire different area and

551
00:51:07.920 --> 00:51:12.840
going about maybe a mile or two, pasted it on the side of the

552
00:51:12.920 --> 00:51:19.159
mountain, just kind of exploring.
Just we went on the ridge where we

553
00:51:19.320 --> 00:51:27.360
believe he shot at Bigfoot the first
time. Yeah, little side quest.

554
00:51:29.079 --> 00:51:34.519
Frustrated that, like hate, I
hate to tell you, Jared, I

555
00:51:34.679 --> 00:51:42.519
know that it felt like a mile. It wasn't. It was. It

556
00:51:42.960 --> 00:51:46.400
was like three hundred feet or something
like that. It's not. Well,

557
00:51:46.559 --> 00:51:51.119
you know, we were tired,
so as far as I'm concerned, five

558
00:51:51.199 --> 00:51:59.039
miles. Yeah. Yeah, but
that was a pretty neat little side quest.

559
00:51:59.199 --> 00:52:02.320
We you know, in search of
the cabin location. We started poking

560
00:52:02.360 --> 00:52:05.880
around and we're like, well,
this isn't it, but this is kind

561
00:52:05.920 --> 00:52:10.199
of cool. So we kept following
the ridge down presumably where it ran to

562
00:52:10.320 --> 00:52:14.960
hide and get away. Right,
there's a couple of little goat trails over

563
00:52:15.039 --> 00:52:20.639
there that you can follow. And
I stepped on a wasp nest got stung.

564
00:52:20.920 --> 00:52:25.440
That was cool. But yeah,
we just woken until we couldn't go

565
00:52:25.519 --> 00:52:35.400
anymore and then turn around. I
gotta I gotta tell you. Jeremiah Brandon

566
00:52:35.480 --> 00:52:39.960
and Jared and Jake and I have
talked about this. I'm in contact with

567
00:52:40.480 --> 00:52:45.840
good sources with the Volcanic Monument and
the Gifford can Show National Forests. They

568
00:52:46.000 --> 00:52:52.239
know, they know about the mind
discovery last Sunday and they're like, hell

569
00:52:52.400 --> 00:52:58.159
yeah, keep going with your research. They're they're really really jazzed about it.

570
00:52:58.559 --> 00:53:02.320
So I have good contacts with the
Forest Service and the Volcanic Monument about

571
00:53:02.360 --> 00:53:08.039
that. Also, I have a
very very good friend whose name is Ty

572
00:53:08.239 --> 00:53:17.840
and he's a chemical geologist that specializes
in basalt and I've sent him, i

573
00:53:17.960 --> 00:53:24.480
think mainly Jared's photos. And so
with the permission of the Volcanic Monument and

574
00:53:24.559 --> 00:53:30.320
the Gifford pin Show, what our
plan right now is to take is for

575
00:53:30.440 --> 00:53:37.039
me to go down and just take
a ziploc bag of samples and basically have

576
00:53:37.239 --> 00:53:46.519
a rudimentary chemical assay of the dirt
rock gravel that is at the mine entrance,

577
00:53:47.199 --> 00:53:52.519
because that's going to be an important
part of the Ape Candid story how

578
00:53:52.599 --> 00:53:59.039
much gold per Ton really is in
the Vendor White mine, but nobody,

579
00:53:59.400 --> 00:54:06.639
nobody, nobody can mine it legally
right now. There's no way that gold

580
00:54:06.800 --> 00:54:08.920
is going to come out of that
mind by human hands. But it's going

581
00:54:08.960 --> 00:54:13.760
to be important to know how much
gold is actually in the vendor white mind.

582
00:54:14.159 --> 00:54:19.840
So we can compare that with fred
Beck's story. That is incredible to

583
00:54:19.920 --> 00:54:25.599
think about who currently owns this this
mind? Mark, I would assume you

584
00:54:25.800 --> 00:54:31.320
know the answer to this. I
do. Uh, it's it's a United

585
00:54:31.320 --> 00:54:36.800
States of America. Okay, well, I was kind of an easy one.

586
00:54:36.840 --> 00:54:42.000
Come on now, no, all
all, ever, ever, ever,

587
00:54:42.159 --> 00:54:47.400
since the United States of America settled
all of the land disputes with Britain

588
00:54:47.559 --> 00:54:54.599
and Russia and everyone about the Oregon
territory, the United States government has owned

589
00:54:55.280 --> 00:55:00.880
all that time, for the past
one hundred and seventy years, all underground

590
00:55:00.039 --> 00:55:07.199
mineral rights, including this one,
including the underground mineral rights in your backyard.

591
00:55:07.440 --> 00:55:12.400
Jared and Braden, you think that
you have uranium in your backyard,

592
00:55:13.119 --> 00:55:16.440
but it's not yours. It's it's
the United States government. Yeah and so

593
00:55:21.159 --> 00:55:28.599
and so. What these guys did, what particularly Fred Beck and Marian Smith

594
00:55:28.679 --> 00:55:35.239
did is that they laid the claim
with the location notice in nineteen twenty two.

595
00:55:35.760 --> 00:55:38.639
Okay, there we go, and
then we also have the proof of

596
00:55:38.880 --> 00:55:46.800
labor. The proof of labor needed
to be filed every year or every two

597
00:55:46.960 --> 00:55:52.199
or three years. And what the
proof of labor is is that you file

598
00:55:52.280 --> 00:55:58.159
a document after you've laid a mineral
claim in this case, and you say

599
00:55:59.199 --> 00:56:02.599
I have moved this much, or
these are how many days I worked,

600
00:56:04.199 --> 00:56:08.400
so on and so forth. And
if you if at the time in the

601
00:56:08.480 --> 00:56:15.599
twenties, if you had filed your
proof of labor, which is fined and

602
00:56:15.760 --> 00:56:22.719
witnessed over a statutory period of time, then those rights, those underground mineral

603
00:56:22.880 --> 00:56:30.400
rights, would transfer to you to
have you own it indefinitely until you sold

604
00:56:30.440 --> 00:56:34.000
it to someone else, just like
a piece of land or a house or

605
00:56:34.159 --> 00:56:39.519
whatever. The problem is is that
this is the only proof of labor two

606
00:56:39.639 --> 00:56:45.639
days or two years after the mind
was established. It needed to be five

607
00:56:45.719 --> 00:56:54.360
to seven years, which was not
done. Sorry you guys. Well,

608
00:56:54.400 --> 00:57:00.480
the exciting part about the said document, because I'm a history nerd, is

609
00:57:00.599 --> 00:57:08.639
that if you look at this document
closely, it says that all work was

610
00:57:08.760 --> 00:57:15.199
completed on July tenth, nineteen twenty
four. They said we worked these many

611
00:57:15.320 --> 00:57:21.360
days, we moved this much,
or whatever, but all work was completed

612
00:57:21.519 --> 00:57:27.719
on July tenth, nineteen twenty four. That was the night of the attack.

613
00:57:29.039 --> 00:57:34.920
Oh, Apparently the essays from the
gold mine were good, according to

614
00:57:35.000 --> 00:57:38.519
Fred, and also Marian said that
as well, the essays were good,

615
00:57:38.639 --> 00:57:43.360
they were getting gold out of it. They still had let's say, July,

616
00:57:44.000 --> 00:57:47.239
August, September, October, November, you gotta be out of there.

617
00:57:47.320 --> 00:57:52.239
They had about three and a half
more months of weather to continue gold

618
00:57:52.360 --> 00:57:57.400
mining. But they were like,
no, all work is done. On

619
00:57:57.599 --> 00:58:01.920
July the tenth, nineteen twenty four. Something must have scared them off,

620
00:58:02.639 --> 00:58:13.159
huh to maybe one thing too.
And you know, I like to try

621
00:58:13.199 --> 00:58:22.000
to think of the logistical explanations and
such too, And it's hard to to

622
00:58:22.159 --> 00:58:29.920
imagine that he was telling this story
to scare people off of their gold because

623
00:58:29.960 --> 00:58:36.079
what it did is it created one
of the biggest man hunts in world history.

624
00:58:36.280 --> 00:58:39.440
I mean, we're still looking for
the guy, but I mean it's

625
00:58:39.480 --> 00:58:43.400
good. Yeah, it's true.
It was. It was called the Great

626
00:58:43.559 --> 00:58:47.440
eight Hunt of nineteen twenty four.
Everyone, the guys from England over here,

627
00:58:47.519 --> 00:58:52.000
even that's right, that's right,
man, Yeah, that's exactly right.

628
00:58:52.840 --> 00:59:00.079
It was so much so that the
Scamania County Ranger required that everyone and

629
00:59:00.320 --> 00:59:06.079
check their guns before they went into
the national forest because there were bullets flying

630
00:59:06.199 --> 00:59:09.360
everywhere trying to shoot them big guy, right, you know, yeah,

631
00:59:10.199 --> 00:59:14.199
every every every it was. It
was a great a part that lasted for

632
00:59:14.280 --> 00:59:20.599
the rest of nineteen twenty four up
there. So what you're you know,

633
00:59:20.800 --> 00:59:25.760
thinking of the explanations there and that
one in particular. I mean I've I've

634
00:59:25.800 --> 00:59:31.639
heard that one a couple of times. The rolling rocks onto the cabin the

635
00:59:31.800 --> 00:59:35.239
y m c A Boys, I
mean, Mark, you know, because

636
00:59:35.280 --> 00:59:39.760
you've been there, it's laughable.
It's not possible. It's not possible.

637
00:59:39.840 --> 00:59:44.920
If you've been there, you get
it. No, kids didn't do that,

638
00:59:45.920 --> 00:59:52.599
you know. As also, I
have arguable document proof that the YMCA

639
00:59:52.880 --> 01:00:01.360
Boys were not there on Thursday.
I have document evidence on Wednesday night.

640
01:00:01.480 --> 01:00:06.639
They were there on Wednesday night,
but they weren't there. I have document

641
01:00:06.719 --> 01:00:12.480
evidence that says all the y m
c A Boy campers were back in camp.

642
01:00:15.159 --> 01:00:19.039
We'll be back with more big Foot
Society after these words from our sponsors

643
01:00:22.000 --> 01:00:27.960
on Thursday morning. They weren't there
on Thursday night. No, Wow,

644
01:00:28.159 --> 01:00:31.639
that doesn't surprise me. That to
me was one of the least likely explanations,

645
01:00:32.000 --> 01:00:38.800
especially after seeing it. Yeah,
and mind you, the YMCA Boys

646
01:00:38.920 --> 01:00:45.960
camp at Speric Lake was five or
six miles away. Yeah, and then

647
01:00:45.559 --> 01:00:52.239
dark and cliffs. Uh yeah,
that's to me the least likely explanation and

648
01:00:52.320 --> 01:00:58.000
the one I can't remember. The
gentleman's name that said he was making the

649
01:00:58.119 --> 01:01:02.079
tracks and that he apparently rolled some
rocks down a hill onto a cabin in

650
01:01:02.239 --> 01:01:13.119
nineteen twenty four. Jeremiah, Jeremiah. That came from Rants Mullins. That

651
01:01:13.599 --> 01:01:19.039
came from Rant. He was,
you know, a big battle with Ray

652
01:01:19.119 --> 01:01:25.719
Wallace over big Stompers that. Yeah, no, Wet Mullins may have been

653
01:01:25.800 --> 01:01:31.119
there, but I mean, all
it takes is Jared and Braden for you

654
01:01:31.320 --> 01:01:37.280
guys to be there and me being
there. So he's walking along the trail

655
01:01:38.000 --> 01:01:43.239
and he knocks a couple of rocks
off. Those rocks are not going to

656
01:01:43.360 --> 01:01:46.920
hit the cabin, and all you
gotta do is be there. Look at

657
01:01:46.960 --> 01:01:52.039
you, Brandon, You're like nope, It's like, that's that's not going

658
01:01:52.079 --> 01:01:54.679
to hit the cabin. Rant Mullins
was coming back from a fishing trip from

659
01:01:54.719 --> 01:01:59.199
Crane Lake to the South and yeah, he saw he knocked a couple of

660
01:01:59.320 --> 01:02:02.320
rocks off. That's where the story, that's where the story came from.

661
01:02:02.760 --> 01:02:07.840
Yeah, nonsense. That yeah,
the fact he's just happens to be hiking

662
01:02:08.079 --> 01:02:14.400
above the No, no, no, that's crazy, dude. After seeing

663
01:02:14.480 --> 01:02:20.000
it, you know why it's not
possible. It's Yeah, guys, it's

664
01:02:20.039 --> 01:02:24.239
been awesome talking to you. I
have one final question because I want to

665
01:02:24.400 --> 01:02:30.559
respect the time of all three of
you, but uh to to Jared in

666
01:02:30.599 --> 01:02:38.280
Braden, what was it like when
you were able to tell Betty we found

667
01:02:38.320 --> 01:02:42.760
the mine? Like? What was
what was the reaction that you got when

668
01:02:42.840 --> 01:02:46.360
when you were able to convey the
information? Well, I wouldn't hear this.

669
01:02:46.719 --> 01:02:52.000
Yeah, yet to have seen her
in person. My cousin has called

670
01:02:52.039 --> 01:02:57.039
her so far, but we still
need to go up there and tell her

671
01:02:57.119 --> 01:03:00.639
the story and show her the pictures. And to be honest, we're kind

672
01:03:00.679 --> 01:03:06.400
of bad grandsons. We should have
done it already, but we need to.

673
01:03:06.679 --> 01:03:08.280
We need to get up there and
talk to her, tell her what

674
01:03:08.360 --> 01:03:13.239
we've seen. Maybe we could get
that plan tomorrow or the next day.

675
01:03:13.679 --> 01:03:17.159
We'll let's see what Jake's up to. But Jake said that she was kind

676
01:03:17.199 --> 01:03:23.280
of in disbelief and pretty excited.
So oh, you guys, Oh,

677
01:03:24.039 --> 01:03:28.199
I'm not I'm not Betty's grandson,
but I'd love to go with you.

678
01:03:28.719 --> 01:03:31.760
Oh my god, I'm sure you
would, Mark. I don't think Papa

679
01:03:31.800 --> 01:03:42.840
would like that. If there's one
person whose opinion matters to me on all

680
01:03:42.880 --> 01:03:45.800
of this, it's hers. And
oh yeah, if there's any I mean,

681
01:03:46.159 --> 01:03:51.679
if we could find something to bring
her and show her that would that

682
01:03:51.800 --> 01:03:54.119
would make it all worth it to
me. That's to me the biggest goal.

683
01:03:55.800 --> 01:04:00.840
Yeah, And I think the coolest
thing that could I'm from this is

684
01:04:01.519 --> 01:04:05.760
definitely bringing her something from that mind, whether it be a rock to a

685
01:04:05.840 --> 01:04:10.920
bucket that was left behind, if
anything like that was possible, just for

686
01:04:11.039 --> 01:04:14.480
her to have, I think that
would just mean so much to her.

687
01:04:14.639 --> 01:04:18.519
But yeah, we definitely need to
respect, you know, all the officials

688
01:04:18.599 --> 01:04:25.280
at the park. And that's true. That is number one for sure.

689
01:04:26.000 --> 01:04:30.440
Mark. You had asked me to
share this, uh, near the end

690
01:04:30.480 --> 01:04:34.960
of our conversation, if I if
I can read this out, and I

691
01:04:35.079 --> 01:04:40.679
thought it was a it was a
full one. I have this crazy little

692
01:04:40.840 --> 01:04:45.519
zine called Mountain Devil. It's just
like a few pages long. I'm working

693
01:04:45.559 --> 01:04:48.000
on yet, Jeremiah, I swear
to God, I'm working on the Big

694
01:04:48.079 --> 01:04:53.320
Ape Canyon book, which I nearly
done with it, you know, promise

695
01:04:53.400 --> 01:05:02.760
anyway. Yeah, you know,
we talked about this, Jared and Braden

696
01:05:02.840 --> 01:05:09.199
and I and I had to I
was in conversation with Betty Mitchell, Lee

697
01:05:09.320 --> 01:05:13.480
Roy's daughter, and then I had
to take a break for it, take

698
01:05:13.519 --> 01:05:17.039
a break from it for a little
bit. And I had this conference up

699
01:05:17.119 --> 01:05:25.559
in Seattle. I'm standing there at
this conference and there are these big picture

700
01:05:25.679 --> 01:05:30.400
windows and I'm standing in the audience
listening to Shane Courson speak and a car

701
01:05:30.519 --> 01:05:33.719
pulls up. I can see through
the picture windows into the parking area.

702
01:05:34.320 --> 01:05:40.239
And the car pulls up and this
guy, young hipster gets out, and

703
01:05:40.280 --> 01:05:44.440
I was like, is that Tyler? Is that Tyler Mitchell? And he

704
01:05:44.960 --> 01:05:50.719
goes around to the passenger side and
he opened the passenger door and an older

705
01:05:50.800 --> 01:05:55.599
woman with silver hair steps out.
I'm like, oh, my christ,

706
01:05:56.400 --> 01:06:02.880
is that Betty Mitchell? And he
leads his grandma into the conference and introduces

707
01:06:02.960 --> 01:06:08.199
me to Betty. That's the first
time I've ever met her. And that

708
01:06:08.639 --> 01:06:14.360
was the day that I got the
audio interview with Betty. And so I

709
01:06:14.519 --> 01:06:17.639
have this little zine called Mountain Devil, and Betty, it's like, I

710
01:06:17.760 --> 01:06:20.239
want to buy one of your zines. And I want you to sign it,

711
01:06:20.360 --> 01:06:23.880
Timmy. I'm like, absolutely,
and I'm not going to sell you

712
01:06:23.960 --> 01:06:26.599
one of my zines. I'll sign
it to you, but I'll tell you

713
01:06:26.760 --> 01:06:30.880
what. I will sign a zine
over to you, and you sign a

714
01:06:30.000 --> 01:06:34.840
zine over to me. And so
I'm just like Betty, I love you.

715
01:06:35.079 --> 01:06:42.079
Mark Marcella Babo here and she is
writing and writing and writing and writing

716
01:06:42.119 --> 01:06:47.199
and writing. And bench hands it
Tommy. This is copy whatever thirty six

717
01:06:48.239 --> 01:06:51.559
and it's Betty Mitchell. It's a
little bit cut off, so I have

718
01:06:51.679 --> 01:06:59.880
to read it for memory. But
this is what Betty Mitchell's daughter of Leroy

719
01:07:00.079 --> 01:07:03.159
Praise Puts Perry Smith wrote to me. Thank you, Mark for letting me

720
01:07:03.400 --> 01:07:09.199
in on this story that I never
even knew existed. Brings back memory,

721
01:07:09.559 --> 01:07:15.239
brings back my father's memory of him, I mean Uncle Fred back. They

722
01:07:15.320 --> 01:07:19.039
were good men, who were the
people you could expect the too truth from.

723
01:07:19.840 --> 01:07:26.320
So I believe they told the truth
at the bottom Betty Mitchell. And

724
01:07:26.840 --> 01:07:30.639
honestly, out of all of my
EIGHTE Canyon research, this is one of

725
01:07:30.719 --> 01:07:38.559
my most prized possessions. Oh man, that's that is really and it means

726
01:07:39.159 --> 01:07:42.840
so much to her. I mean
you should. You should honestly hear the

727
01:07:42.880 --> 01:07:46.360
way that she she talks about you
and what you guys, I mean literally

728
01:07:46.559 --> 01:07:50.719
what Yeah, Yeah, she talks
very highly of you. I mean really

729
01:07:51.400 --> 01:07:57.000
nice reaching out. I mean really, you guys kind of you kind of

730
01:07:57.119 --> 01:08:00.920
changed our lives a little bit.
I mean we wouldn't have it. We'd

731
01:08:00.960 --> 01:08:05.559
be none the wiser. I'd still
be going to work making my you know,

732
01:08:06.000 --> 01:08:11.960
paycheck and keeping my head down.
I wouldn't be hunting bigfoot and lost

733
01:08:12.039 --> 01:08:18.439
gold mines and adventures and you know, so I thanks for that. Yeah,

734
01:08:18.479 --> 01:08:24.239
well, yeah, yeah, you're
welcome. I will say, Mark

735
01:08:24.319 --> 01:08:29.279
time, I'm really looking forward to
that book that you're writing coming out because,

736
01:08:29.399 --> 01:08:33.359
like you said, it's it's hard
to find this information and it's hard

737
01:08:33.880 --> 01:08:39.359
to determine which parts are the important
parts of the books that are out.

738
01:08:40.039 --> 01:08:45.000
So the fact that we're going to
have essentially tell all and I mean from

739
01:08:45.000 --> 01:08:48.399
the work that I've seen you do, it's so thorough and accurate. We're

740
01:08:48.479 --> 01:08:54.279
just going to have so much to
go off and it's I can't wait to

741
01:08:54.359 --> 01:08:58.880
read it and just get all the
details. It's it's pretty exciting. Yeah,

742
01:08:59.439 --> 01:09:01.760
Jeremiah, I know, I know, we're running along. But there's

743
01:09:01.840 --> 01:09:08.880
one thing I tried to get to
in a project last night which I won't

744
01:09:09.000 --> 01:09:15.560
drop names about something that's greater injured, and I did. I didn't get

745
01:09:15.600 --> 01:09:17.079
to this last night. I want
I want you guys to hear it.

746
01:09:17.439 --> 01:09:24.279
It's an old soapbox of mine.
I was invited into the Bigfoot research community

747
01:09:24.439 --> 01:09:30.560
because of my preliminary research into Ape
Canyon right, and I learned very very

748
01:09:30.680 --> 01:09:35.520
quickly. I was graciously invited into
the Bigfoot research community. And since then

749
01:09:36.039 --> 01:09:43.279
I've met people with bigger, bigger
brains than I will ever have. I've

750
01:09:43.399 --> 01:09:47.000
met, you know, microbiologists,
my cross capists, I've met anatomous you

751
01:09:47.119 --> 01:09:51.960
know all these names that I could
name, And I've met so many cool

752
01:09:53.119 --> 01:09:59.760
people in the research community. I
probably speaking in the historical research guy.

753
01:10:00.279 --> 01:10:03.159
If someone brings me a cast,
if someone brings me a photo of a

754
01:10:03.279 --> 01:10:08.159
pranch, I don't know what to
do with it, but I do know

755
01:10:08.560 --> 01:10:13.920
who to send that information to to
have them look at it. I'm going

756
01:10:13.960 --> 01:10:16.479
to have Cliff Berrickman look at it. I'm going to have doctor Jeff look

757
01:10:16.520 --> 01:10:19.680
at it. If I have a
sound recording, I'm going to send it

758
01:10:19.720 --> 01:10:25.239
to Chris Spencer or David Ellis with
the Olympic project. I don't know anything

759
01:10:25.279 --> 01:10:31.840
about this, but they have given
me so many leads on historical projects,

760
01:10:31.920 --> 01:10:38.800
historical Bigfoot research projects, and I
am very very grateful to them. And

761
01:10:38.920 --> 01:10:44.439
what that's proven to me. It's
friends working with friends, researchers working with

762
01:10:44.600 --> 01:10:49.800
researchers, and that's the only way
that the Bigfoot research community and this database

763
01:10:50.479 --> 01:10:56.520
is going to go forward. That
being said, Jared and Braden, you're

764
01:10:56.640 --> 01:11:03.439
part of that. You're my friend. You have established so much shit last

765
01:11:03.520 --> 01:11:10.800
Sunday that is going to go stellar
for this whole project. And that's that's

766
01:11:11.119 --> 01:11:15.760
that's part of my point is that
it's friends working with friends. It's those

767
01:11:15.800 --> 01:11:21.239
who are interested, the networking of
it. Yes, exactly exactly. So

768
01:11:23.399 --> 01:11:27.960
the book is the book who cares? But what I'm more interested A lot

769
01:11:28.000 --> 01:11:31.399
of people will care. Mark,
You give yourself more credit. And I

770
01:11:31.560 --> 01:11:34.920
guarantee the first person that's going to
want to buy one is my grandma.

771
01:11:35.119 --> 01:11:39.239
She's gonna absolutely cherish up. Oh
no, no, no, no,

772
01:11:39.560 --> 01:11:43.600
she's getting number one. Yeah,
absolutely absolutely. And I tell you what,

773
01:11:43.920 --> 01:11:45.399
I wasn't going to ask you to
do that, but I'm said,

774
01:11:46.199 --> 01:11:49.079
no, no, no, Betty. Betty is getting number one, absolutely.

775
01:11:49.439 --> 01:11:55.760
But what I have to say is
that with the mind discovery that you

776
01:11:55.880 --> 01:12:01.239
guys did, there is so much
more to do. And I'm you know,

777
01:12:01.640 --> 01:12:04.880
you're I'm sorry to say, you're
in it to win it now.

778
01:12:05.159 --> 01:12:09.199
You guys are part of You're going
up there with me. You're you're going

779
01:12:09.319 --> 01:12:13.159
up there with me. So sorry. You just married yourself to this.

780
01:12:13.319 --> 01:12:17.119
You're in the big Foot community now, guys, and Jared, I just

781
01:12:17.199 --> 01:12:20.199
hope we can keep up right.
Well, that's the thing. Do you

782
01:12:20.319 --> 01:12:26.880
guys have any closing thoughts about the
discovery of the ape can in mine before

783
01:12:27.520 --> 01:12:36.479
we wrap things up? Go ahead, Jared, kind of just how surreal

784
01:12:36.560 --> 01:12:41.319
it is and exciting it is for
all of us to come about, and

785
01:12:42.239 --> 01:12:45.920
the different parts of the stories that
this can pertain to, and kind of,

786
01:12:45.079 --> 01:12:48.840
you know, keep the ball rolling
with some ideas like I was mentioning

787
01:12:48.960 --> 01:12:56.119
last night with when they shot the
creature sixteen times, they didn't know if

788
01:12:56.159 --> 01:13:00.720
it fell or if it crouched down
and crawled down, and well, you

789
01:13:00.800 --> 01:13:04.520
know, seeing where the mine is, the possibility of crouching down and crawling

790
01:13:04.600 --> 01:13:10.079
down that I could see that,
so that just it opens up so many

791
01:13:10.159 --> 01:13:15.119
more different possibilities and gets people talking
more, and that's exciting. I'm glad

792
01:13:15.119 --> 01:13:16.800
to be a part of it.
And I appreciate you having a song thank

793
01:13:16.840 --> 01:13:27.319
you and braiding any thoughts. Yeah. Absolutely, I mean, you know,

794
01:13:28.119 --> 01:13:31.840
I feel like we're not the kind
of people that really cool stuff happens

795
01:13:31.920 --> 01:13:36.119
too, you know. I mean, just we're not very lucky people.

796
01:13:36.520 --> 01:13:42.039
We really are. It's in our
family, Mitchell. Luck is a joke,

797
01:13:42.319 --> 01:13:46.079
it really is. And for us
to come out there, I can

798
01:13:46.159 --> 01:13:53.680
a third try just stumble along,
and I mean, it's it is,

799
01:13:53.800 --> 01:13:58.720
It really is surreal. I mean, this is We're gonna be talking about

800
01:13:58.800 --> 01:14:01.600
this for for so long. We're
gonna be telling our kids and our grandkids

801
01:14:01.640 --> 01:14:06.119
about this potentially, absolutely, And
we're gonna have to take Ellie up there

802
01:14:06.199 --> 01:14:13.079
with you sometime. Take my daughter, We're gonna have to. I want

803
01:14:13.119 --> 01:14:15.399
to take her up there, and
I think it's gonna be amazing. And

804
01:14:15.479 --> 01:14:18.960
I want you to tell those camp
fire stories for you. Want to thank

805
01:14:19.000 --> 01:14:25.720
you. How how old is she? She's ten months, So it's it's

806
01:14:25.760 --> 01:14:30.640
a way away. You mean,
you mean I actually have to take care

807
01:14:30.680 --> 01:14:33.239
of myself and like not smoke and
drink so much, so I can take

808
01:14:33.239 --> 01:14:40.479
her up yourself. I say,
this is Jared, this is not a

809
01:14:40.600 --> 01:14:44.920
kid's trip. You barely made it
ten to fifteen. That'll be able.

810
01:14:49.560 --> 01:14:55.520
No, I'll all be around,
We'll go Yep, absolutely, and I

811
01:14:55.640 --> 01:15:00.800
am really looking forward to it.
Really, it's a the people that we're

812
01:15:00.840 --> 01:15:05.920
meeting, You guys are all extremely
friendly, really knowledgeable. As we uncover

813
01:15:06.079 --> 01:15:13.000
things, more and more questions are
popping up. And I hope as we

814
01:15:13.159 --> 01:15:16.960
keep going that we answer those questions, whether whether we like the answer or

815
01:15:17.039 --> 01:15:21.680
not. You know, it's a
lack of a time making this exploration.

816
01:15:23.239 --> 01:15:30.239
It's unbelievable. It's fun. Absolutely, guys, it's been so fun chatting

817
01:15:30.279 --> 01:15:33.439
with you. I want to call
it Mark. What's the best way people

818
01:15:33.560 --> 01:15:39.920
can get in touch with you?
So I have a kind of bigger audience

819
01:15:40.039 --> 01:15:43.520
now and there could be people listening
that have never reached out to you about

820
01:15:43.560 --> 01:15:49.039
Abe Canyon stuff. How could they
do that? Number one the easiest way

821
01:15:49.960 --> 01:15:56.640
is through Facebook with my name.
However, I have to tell you is

822
01:15:56.840 --> 01:16:01.319
that I have a brand spanking new
web site. Yes, Mark Marsile has

823
01:16:01.359 --> 01:16:05.079
a website. Again, I didn't
make it. My friend Tie, the

824
01:16:05.199 --> 01:16:12.279
geologist, made it and it's a
monster history dot net and in there there's

825
01:16:12.319 --> 01:16:17.479
a link with a new email connected
with Monster Hisstory dot net where you can

826
01:16:17.520 --> 01:16:23.399
get a hold of me. I
have to contact my friend Tie to figure

827
01:16:23.439 --> 01:16:28.760
out how I can access that email, but you can. You can,

828
01:16:30.119 --> 01:16:33.079
sorry, Jeremiah stopped laughing. You
can get a hold of me through that

829
01:16:33.239 --> 01:16:38.720
email, but the best way is
uh is probably just through a Facebook and

830
01:16:38.800 --> 01:16:43.800
you can message me. So fantastic, Brandon, Jared just want to give

831
01:16:43.800 --> 01:16:46.520
you the opportunity. If you guys
have anything to plug, feel free to

832
01:16:47.000 --> 01:16:51.640
do it. If not, we're
golden. I just want to say hi

833
01:16:51.760 --> 01:16:55.640
to my grandma and my mom,
and I want to thank my my,

834
01:16:56.000 --> 01:17:00.600
my friends and my family. I
want to thank Brandon for not pushing me

835
01:17:00.680 --> 01:17:05.800
down that cliff when I was there. Should be real thankful, all right,

836
01:17:06.720 --> 01:17:11.079
Thank you so much for coming on
tonight. This has been a real

837
01:17:11.159 --> 01:17:14.159
fun chat and I can't wait to
say what this goes in the future.

838
01:17:15.399 --> 01:17:18.600
Yeah, me too, Jeremiah,
thank you very much for having us on.

839
01:17:18.800 --> 01:17:23.680
This was a lot of fun here. A Bigfoot Society article is to

840
01:17:23.800 --> 01:17:29.600
provide a platform for those that have
encountered Bigfoot to share their encounter in a

841
01:17:29.720 --> 01:17:33.399
safe and respected environment, but we
need to hear your story. If you've

842
01:17:33.520 --> 01:17:41.239
experienced something that you just can't explain, please send me an email at Bigfoot

843
01:17:41.319 --> 01:17:45.720
Society at gmail dot com. Then
we can start the conversation. And I

844
01:17:45.840 --> 01:17:49.960
know a lot of you have not
shared your encounter at all. It's been

845
01:17:50.079 --> 01:17:56.439
twenty years and it's time that you
get this off your chest and then you

846
01:17:56.520 --> 01:17:59.760
can get some well deserved for rest
because I know you haven't been sleeping.

847
01:18:00.880 --> 01:18:03.840
I understand what you're going through,
and I appreciate every one of you listening